40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

Do you count random person from a codex entry

in that case yes a Haemonculi turned some random human into an "eldar"

the only part that was off was the soul

also the "eldar" stumbled around and suffered a lot of other issues regarding emotional regulation and hand eye coordination

[sacred ginkgo]

Also probably having poor balance due to being way to tall

Would be fun and sad to watch

[crystal forum]

what was even the goal

[arctic talon]

Funny, the haemonculi was bored

And they had a slave on hand they didn’t want to brutally torture

The purpose for the eldar -> human thing is for humiliating the eldar/to make a good infiltrator

[misty brook]

Malcador made an half Eldar Hybrid clone with his own D.N.A. Who he confided his regrets and darkest secrets too. Which drove the hybrid mad, killing himself a good amount of times.

[soft thunder]

So what going on w/ Atoma atm is kinda the same thing that ended up happening to Metallica, right? Basically forced to fight a Nurgle curse inseperable from the planet for eternity, more or less?

[arctic talon]

So far yes it would seem, but Atoma is dealing with it much better since the whole planet isn't covered in something that's corruptable and has a central point that causes a multitude of failures

since the plague tree seems to keep on popping up over and over again

it might escalate further

[dusk patrol]

Metallica also had a lot more to deal with

Atoma is dealing with a cult and a large regiment of traitor guard

Metallica had massive amounts of Death Guard and nurgle forces

[misty brook]

Just asking, but which out of the traitor Primarchs most likely to be redeemed later by the Emperor?

[dusk patrol]

Your mom

Idk I guess Omegon if he’s around, we don’t know really

[winter vessel]

Oddly enough, I was going to say Mortarion

[misty brook]

Emperor said he could, but didn't to his face.

[misty brook]

Omegon is considered a loyalist compared to Alpharius. But the Alpha Legion is something else entirely.

For me I think it would be Magnus.

[arctic talon]

Omegon is the most likely if he’s alive and nothing has changed

Since he wouldn’t be a daemon lol

[thorn zenith]

Russ probably

[celest dome]

Russ isn't a Traitor though

[thorn zenith]

Hes definitely off banging daemonettes and drinking their booze

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/blink-blinking-what-confused-blacklist-gif-13641169

[storm jungle]

Me when 40k fans cannot think without their cock for once

[queen laurel]

There is only truly one way to fix it all

Dilara, get the rock cutter chainsaw

[storm jungle]

[celest dome]

As if it was hard enough to need that

[queen laurel]

yeah your right

@storm jungle get the drilling laser instead

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

What do you want me to just throw them in a bucket full of radioactive material and then throw them off the sea?

at least with this one they will live

[celest dome]

But that would not be ecological

[queen laurel]

fine i will find an incinerator instead

[sinful sky]

btw, it took me this long to realize the actual part of 40K lore that created the "Guilliman has an Eldar GF" joke...

[dusk patrol]

Ok

[storm jungle]

I hate this fandom.

[viral halo]

I hate warhammer fans, I hate their smell the most, the smell is the worst part, oh God the stench

[rocky gale]

At this point which fandom shouldn't be hated.

[dusk patrol]

Me, and my fanbase

[rocky gale]

I hate that one most of all

[dusk patrol]

But any large enough fanbase is gonna become insufferable eventually

[queen laurel]

and you call me crazy for bringing out the rock cutter chainsaw

[storm jungle]

Me when a female character exists and she has to be the cocksleeve to an bigger popular male character.

Because uh, they talked once.

lol

[rocky gale]

Like the HotD fandom is currently having a meltdown because the fan theories they came up with based off the trailers turned out to be wrong

and this is obviously the shows fault

[queen laurel]

Fandoms become way too entitled with the things they are fans off

Like why would you literally threaten the creator of a manga because the gay ship you guys made isn't canon

Oh well people will be stupid no matter how you slice it

[rocky gale]

Me @ the bridgerton creators for not making Eloise x Cressida canon

[viral halo]

my grandparents started the first episode of brigerton without knowing what it was and were appalled immediately

[rocky gale]

It's the best

[viral halo]

I know nothing about it other than it's allegedly girlporn in book form

[rocky gale]

I watch it with my mum

[storm jungle]

Also dont forget getting mad when characters make mistakes.

Even tho they are constantly shown to be impulsive or hypocrites

lol

[viral halo]

I like when characters double down on their mistakes

DOUBLING DOWN ALWAYS WINS

[queen laurel]

Hold on i think one of the imperial gollums in my basement escaped after he heard that

[rocky gale]

Or when a character makes a decision that's at odds with something they did in a previous season, how dare they change their mind and show character growth.

[queen laurel]

The emperor special

[viral halo]

heavy is the butt that poops the pant

[rocky gale]

Show: Character learns from their mistake and tries not to repeat it
Fanbase "Wow, what a hypocrite. Remember when they did X"

[wet sandal]

Another strawman obliterated, good job

[dusk patrol]

It’s more annoying that you have the one rogue trader lady that actively flirts with Guilliman and calls him Robu and yet somehow Yvraine is the one everyone says is his GF.

I mean I get none of these dumb mfers read any of the actual source

But still

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

If you’re gonna do cringey fan ships at least do the one which halfway makes any goddamn sense

[storm jungle]

Its very much just "elves are hot and i gotta see more of them in NSFW situations".

People always prefer the most basic generic slop when it comes to this shit

[dusk patrol]

Finding elves hot is the real cringe

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

[storm jungle]

Also even funnier since even the lore says humans find eldar hot

Especially bisexually

thanks white dwarf

[dusk patrol]

I pretend I do not see

[storm jungle]

To be fair its White Dwarf

people dont even read it anymore

[dusk patrol]

It’s where they send the Warhammer Community staff now once they start getting geriatric.

[queen laurel]

I'm still waiting for an opportunity to bring up that canonically in DND a Dwelf existed

[dusk patrol]

Not shocked

Hate fucking is a thing for us

[storm jungle]

Cross-bred characters work better in fantasy-fantasy

in 40k its just dumb

[queen laurel]

just to just off the the elf and dwarf fandoms

[storm jungle]

IM LOOKING AT YOU TYPHUS

[queen laurel]

cross race ? in a fantasy setting OK fine

if it's scifi it's better be ******* genetic modification because if it's actually just having sex I will kill you

[dusk patrol]

I had one DND campaign, where one of the dudes partially as a joke had a elf mom and dwarf dad and he just ended up looking like a normal human

[queen laurel]

ah yes the centaur mermaid special

[dusk patrol]

It was pretty funny cause he’d try to relate to dwarves and elves and he’s know stuff and they’d all just side this normal human talking about their culture

I think stats wise, though we just used normal human stats

It was pretty funny. The whole time too it was unclear if he was making this up or crazy or if this was all actually true since there is never any actual proof for it beyond him just knowing a lot of stuff

And the player never specified, and he didn’t want the DM to go into his backstory, so it ended up being an amusing concept

[queen laurel]

If someone plays a joke character and they do it very well it's always going to be fun

[dusk patrol]

It helped a lot too, that he was playing I think a fighter or something

He was super milquetoast intentionally

[queen laurel]

So he has an elaborate joke set up but his character classes like one of the most basic ones

[dusk patrol]

Yeah basically

By the end he was pretty cool though, the campaign was a shorter one but he had a mix of dwarf and elf kinda gear.

Which was part of the joke, the dm let him have a really high knowledge of elf and dwarf stuff and be able to use some stuff so it kinda melded in the whole “is he delusional, is it real, is he just crazy but really gifted?”

It was fun

[queen laurel]

I can imagine some random bbeg reading his mind and wondering how the hell has his parents not killed each other

[rocky gale]

My first D&D character was a human adopted and raised by Dwarves, who'd convinced himself he was just a tall dwarf.

[celest dome]

Human orphan adopted by Dwarf is such a common archetype

I had one too

Human girl whose parent (Bandits) were killed by the Dwarf, who adopted her, when she was a teen the Dwarf died and she became a Barbarian whose rage was getting possessed by her adoptive grandpa

[crystal forum]

when you want to play a dwarf character but you're too basic to stray from human

[rocky gale]

It was pretty funny, at the rest of the party were originally a humans and an elf, so they'd be like "But you're not really a Dwarf", then after a couple of sessions two new players joined playing Dwarf brothers and when they saw my character's beard, armour and holy symbols just went "Good to see we won't be the only Dwarves in the group" and greeted him as kin.

[crystal forum]

DnD equivalent of passing

is there a list of characters who lived during the dark age of humanity and were still present in the imperium

[dusk patrol]

A fair amount during the heresy era

Now days not so much but there’s probably a few still

Perpetuals are the obvious and boring answer

[crystal forum]

there's obviously the big name characters like the emperor and that perpetual guy

[dusk patrol]

Malcador did I believe

[crystal forum]

but yeah perpetuals are boring since they didn't do anything to live that long

[dusk patrol]

Erda also. Not sure for others.

[queen laurel]

I mean how much can a guy use the rejuvenation techniques of the imperium until it can no longer work and they begin to truly age

[crystal forum]

i thought he only lived during the age of strife

[dusk patrol]

Mostly humans in 40k die at around 300-500 with treatments

Rarely they can get to a thousand or so with augmetics or special suits

And ad mech obviously is its own deal but even for them

[crystal forum]

would there be some in trazyn's grand collection still in stasis?

[dusk patrol]

Cawl is an exception not the norm

[dusk patrol]

Maybe, he didn’t find humanity interesting until the heresy

So it’s hard to say

He collects what interests him

[crystal forum]

was he even awake during the dark age?

[dusk patrol]

He was

[green loom]

He didn't do anything in the dark age because woke

[dusk patrol]

He was on a big seashell kick at that time

[crystal forum]

would there be some nurgle worshipers who have lived for millenia?

[dusk patrol]

But yeah Trayzn doesn’t collect everything, he collects what interests him

[dusk patrol]

We don’t know

Maybe, but we don’t have examples

[green loom]

Maybe like, the warlords on Barbarus

Ig

[crystal forum]

what else

warp stuff?

can ships be stuck in the warp for that long?

[dusk patrol]

Yeah possibly, there’s a couple maybes for some cultures during the GC era

Like the Olamic Quietude may have had some

[crystal forum]

that art goes hard

[green loom]

There was one

I think it has a short story

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it’s from the dark age, but we mostly don’t see that stuff

For whatever reason

Probably because to be frank GW wants to keep it in the dark mostly and that’s for the best

[green loom]

There's also like, the Van Saar

Bits and pieces scattered around

[dusk patrol]

That’s just STC tech though

[green loom]

But we know about as much as the chars in the setting

[dusk patrol]

LoV and Ad Mech have a bunch of stuff from that era

Archeotech or Dark Age tech shows up a ton

[crystal forum]

they definitely dont want us piecing together what humanity was pre imperium since it's probably too much work to make it consistent across stories

[green loom]

There's also no real point

It's pretty far removed from the Imperium beyond gimmick gear

[dusk patrol]

It’s like Unifiction Terra, and the War in Heaven

We’re not meant to know the full picture

[crystal forum]

what ship design would be the closest to pre imperial stuff though?

[dusk patrol]

We have some stuff and things we know but we don’t need to know it all

[crystal forum]

would votaan have the closest to old ships?

i can't imagine pre imperial humanity using those gothic monsters

[dusk patrol]

There wasn’t one type of ship

DAoT humanity was many different factions

Like the Phalanx for example was from the Dark Age

[crystal forum]

it is???

damn that's crazy

[dusk patrol]

Lots of wild stuff happened

Also the ship designs and stuff we see are largely from that era too

[crystal forum]

that's always been strange to me

horus heresy is supposed to have higher tech equipment yet it's also given this "old" aesthetic because it's pre 40k

if we follow this logic then dark age humanity was using steampunk guns that shoot turbo lasers or something

[dusk patrol]

It’s just an aesthetic

40k has always been rule of cool over everything else

Sometimes there’s happy times it almost makes sense

[crystal forum]

i do admit that dark age humanity being all western and stuff would make an awesome setting

[storm jungle]

It doesnt really.

[crystal forum]

which part

[storm jungle]

Literally almost 99% of 30k tech is re-purposed/bastardized DAOT tech or just stuff the Imperium could make at the time that punches hard.

DAOT has always been more Star Trek/Advanced Generic Sci-fi

the Van Saar are a pretty good window to how stuff looked

[crystal forum]

so it's high tech modified for imperial use?

[storm jungle]

More or less, not everyone had access to advanced equipment to begin with either.

It was more that the Imperium actually was semi-united and had a single common purpose with the admech just producing anything they could for the Astartes Legions and crusade fleets.

the admech being so lax was one of the reasons why the schism of Mars even happened to begin with too

[dusk patrol]

Also the steam punk stuff is mostly just the Solar Auxilia

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

It’s just aesthetic choices

[storm jungle]

30k's entire thing is brutalist industrialism

and yeah that, its to show the Imperium using more bastardized but advanced tech

[dusk patrol]

Don’t look too much into it design wise.

[queen laurel]

Warhammer got their punk game on lock

[dusk patrol]

Same was they decided current ad mech is steampunk and da Vinci looking stuff

[storm jungle]

The design definitely has purpose though is the thing, its just not by a lot. Theres old interviews with people like Jes Goodwin talking about the language and implications they put into some of the minis.

Its just not too deep

same as how admech robots are modelled after american 60's sci-fi movie goofy robots

etc etc

[dusk patrol]

And they modeled the marines after a sci fi wargaming setting made in the early 80s in the UK

[arctic talon]

admech robots generally have that retro sci-fi look

which is nice

[storm jungle]

Yeah some are straight 60's movie robots

[arctic talon]

exception being the Vorax lol

[storm jungle]

the Gothic & Eldritch sketchbook goes into it

[arctic talon]

this thing feels more new sci-fi

[crystal forum]

is votaan stuff supposed to look more like what would be made during the dark age

[arctic talon]

just bcs of like its shape ig?

[storm jungle]

Kinda

[queen laurel]

irreversible brain damage did not help me

[storm jungle]

They are a step below

[crystal forum]

i dont really get ancestor cores, are they supposed to be straight up big thinking machines from the dark age or are they currently so old that they act completely to their own whims

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[arctic talon]

both

[crystal forum]

so what they output is dark age stuff?

[queen laurel]

They're actually fully sentient STC's

[storm jungle]

Depends on the core

[queen laurel]

but their output of intelligence has slowed down

That's literally the entire reason why the ******* dwarves decided it's time to get out and look for stuff outside

[storm jungle]

Remember these things are from way back in the day of space exploration, they had a massive fall-off/period of segregation from main human colonies etc

its why the simple brutalist dwarf aesthetic so much at the forefront

[crystal forum]

yeah so they had to adapt to their environment

[storm jungle]

Yep exactly

it ties into homebrew

Votann cores and the Kin they produce can just be whatever you want them to be.

[crystal forum]

to me that means that the stuff they use is specifically made for the dense galactic core and not actually generic dark age stuff

[storm jungle]

Also that yeah

[queen laurel]

Funny how they copied the warhammer fantasy dynamic of the humans having pretty good technology but the dwarves just have the things that humans have but better

[storm jungle]

the Van Saar are still at the top

[queen laurel]

better guns

[storm jungle]

because the tech they have literally looks alien and un-40k

[queen laurel]

better artillery

[storm jungle]

and they got a single unified massive STC

[dusk patrol]

The cores aren’t also all from that time

There’s fairly young ones

[storm jungle]

Yeah, they are all just "it depends" for homebrew reasons

this is all bare info atm, we'll prob get more whenever the fuck gav finishes his book

[crystal forum]

is there any significance to them using bolters or is that just rule of cool

[dusk patrol]

How optimistic of you

[dusk patrol]

It’s GW being stupid as fuck

[queen laurel]

if he's even going to finish the damn thing

[storm jungle]

^

[queen laurel]

how long has it been

[arctic talon]

Its a retcon???? maybe????

[storm jungle]

Them using imperial weapons makes no sense

[queen laurel]

Since the promise was made for the new book

[dusk patrol]

Idk, so much LoV is just lazy to me

[crystal forum]

maybe they copied the bolter afterwards when finding an imperial one

[dusk patrol]

Like just “your thing but slightly better”

[storm jungle]

I mean

dwarves

[arctic talon]

The cleanest explanation is this

what GW will do

uhhh

We will see

[queen laurel]

yeah like i said above isn't that like also the dynamic of empire and dwarves

[dusk patrol]

We don’t have power swords and axes, we have plasma swords and axes!

[storm jungle]

Its unique i like it

[queen laurel]

in warhammer fantasy

[dusk patrol]

I like their look

[storm jungle]

you can shove your power-sword up your as-

[dusk patrol]

I wish the lore was a bit more

Interesting

[storm jungle]

to be fair, they literally got no lore

[queen laurel]

even the codex?

[storm jungle]

I mean

the codex is a stepping sotne

the problem is

that stone isnt going anywhere

because Floor 2 isnt done yet

[dusk patrol]

They have very little is the accurate thing to say but yeah

It’s not much and it’s just

Half baked as fuck

[storm jungle]

Yeah also remember we are the rare kind of period 40k fans who are seeing a new faction actually come to fruition.

This isnt even a GSC situation

who are literally just "yeah they fuck and make cults thats it, go do whatever"

[crystal forum]

has that happened since tau

[storm jungle]

Not really

The Votann basically got the Newcrons treatment

which is pretty huge

[crystal forum]

even tau dont have enough lore and they've been here since i was born

[dusk patrol]

They are fine

[storm jungle]

Thats because Phil Kelly is bad

but yeah they'll get more when they get actual lore

[dusk patrol]

They could always have more but like

They launched with a ton of lore

And have always gotten some

[crystal forum]

hopefully next edition will launch with tau as the main "enemy"

[dusk patrol]

LoV doesn’t even have a real character.

[storm jungle]

they did nothing with necrons last edition

[crystal forum]

that seems to be the only way to get proper new lore these days

[storm jungle]

and they are doing nothing with nids this edition

[crystal forum]

oh

[storm jungle]

tau dont need the same treatment tbh

[dusk patrol]

Uthar is just

Meh as fuck

[storm jungle]

hes Destined

pretty rad

[dusk patrol]

Destined to be sidelined I hope

I do like the idea of a character whose told they’re destined but they’re just kinda born into it and have no idea what it is

My issue with LoV is they don’t seem to want to lean into the fact that they’re a race made by computers with predetermine roles and arguably not much free will.

[crystal forum]

it seems weird that they wrote them as clones

and have not done much with it

[dusk patrol]

The lore seems to all point to them being controlled by the AI

In effect

But then the lore drops insist they’re not

Even though they are literally created by and genetically made to fit a role by these AI

[crystal forum]

i'll be honest it would be pretty annoying to have them be another faction that's secretly controlled by a leader figure

since that's already what tau have going on

[arctic talon]

Tau got more lore on their launch lol

[crystal forum]

wait how did humanity travel in the warp before the astronaumicon again?

[arctic talon]

very smart computer

[storm jungle]

Thats a part even i fucking forget

[arctic talon]

it was just really smart computers

primarily

[storm jungle]

its one part of the lore where you can tell the writers had no idea and just half-assed with answers like the above lol

[crystal forum]

like navigators?

[arctic talon]

sorta?

[crystal forum]

i thought navigators were present during the dark ages

[storm jungle]

They werent as widespread iirc

they had something more akin to cartels

"You want better and faster travel just hire us homie"

[crystal forum]

i know the warp was calmer since that was before slaanesh right

[arctic talon]

Not really

the warps been fucked since The War In Heaven

whatever triggered the massive warpstorms in the age of strife is still ???

[green loom]

You also don't need navigators for warp travel

But they make it considerably easier

[arctic talon]

we do know Slaanesh's birth ironically is what got rid of all the warpstorms

from the age of strife

it literally "blew them away"

[storm jungle]

We also have no real answer for why psykers even started popping up iirc?

[arctic talon]

we don't

[green loom]

Like in Rogue Trader you get two examples

[arctic talon]

though I'd assume the warpstorms and that

are probably related

[storm jungle]

Cant wait for it to get cleared up in a future imperial novel with like 1 passing sentence

[green loom]

Refugee ships from Kiava Gmma make it to footfall without navigators

The wolves steal a small merchant ship and find their way to Epitaph without a navigator

[queen laurel]

does that also mean the emperor just like popped out like from a random couple and just went I can fix this and you know ruined the world and the universe

[storm jungle]

Yes thats the idea

the Emperor was not a destined chosen one

he was the warlord with the biggest stick

[green loom]

For a while he was also a freestyle rapper and part time geneticist hermit living in some cave

[storm jungle]

also the founder of r/atheist

[green loom]

The Master of the Lines

https://youtu.be/--2Ztdrppo8?si=Ek0tQl7YvtUNyYLs

[rocky gale]

Now I'm just thinking about the Scream from Stars without Number which is kinda same but the opposite of the Age of Strife, the Terran Empire had became reliant on Psychics, to the point where basically all their technology became reliant on Psychics to operate and then suddenly one day every Psychic in the Galaxy simultaneously exploded. Leaving all their technology completely useless.

[crystal forum]

i thought the birth caused it

[storm jungle]

Nah

Slaanesh's birth entirely blows the storms away, paving way for the Great Crusade

[crystal forum]

none of this is explained in the 20000 page books about the end of the heresy

[storm jungle]

Yeah because it doesnt matter

you gotta read the other 55 books for it

[green loom]

The heresy is just a little guy Jay

It can't cover all da lore smh

[crystal forum]

also emperor waiting in a cave during the most prosperous age of humanity without explanation is peak 40k

[green loom]

It needs more mindless filler

[queen laurel]

must hold

[plush mason]

wait what?

[green loom]

comes out of cave and shares idea
"Holy fuck you're an idiot and also insane, die"

[crystal forum]

as far as we know he was waiting in the himalazians (Himalayas) during the entire time

and for some reason the wiki keeps saying it in that specific way

with the parentheses

[crystal forum]

the idea that he would have been a complete loser back then is also peak 40k

[storm jungle]

peak incel

[rocky gale]

Just wait, in 10 years they'll do a 30 part series called The Emperor's Emergence, that will cover this topic

[green loom]

Of which 2 will be relevant and 5 will cover a random caveman discovering the toilet

[crystal forum]

10 part amazon mini series about the unification wars

[rocky gale]

You just know the final book of the Emperors Emergence would be called the Beginning and the Birth

[crystal forum]

judging by how marvel has been going, if 40k hits the amazon mainstream i can see a whole series being made about his toothbrush

[queen laurel]

Damn it

[green loom]

I can already see the Ao3 tags

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/george-lucas-its-poetry-rhymes-gif-19518899

[crystal forum]

imagine it ends with
"i was there when the emperor lived" or some shit

[green loom]

I was there when the emperor gave birth

[crystal forum]

oh well can't wait for amazon to hit the geriatric GW leadership in the ass so they can actually
develop a story

[storm jungle]

Never gonna happen

40k is too much of a clusterfuck for the wider public to ever understand it

[queen laurel]

so why did the emperor do this if he could have done that

pulls out a presentation explaining why he is a fucking psychopath

[crystal forum]

i would have said the same for comic books before the MCU

[storm jungle]

Not really

comics have always been easy to follow

Tony Stark doesnt have a 55 book series explaining his motivations and the history of Stark Industries

[crystal forum]

it's pretty easy to take characters and put them in situations that anybody can understand while sprinkling in references for the nerds

[storm jungle]

40k has way too much lore and fluff mainstream audiences cannot follow.

Comic books ever since the 40's to 50's to today have been easy to consume and get into, thats how you make money

[crystal forum]

like fallout did it and now my boomer dad understands the setting from just the show alone

[queen laurel]

It's the multiple stories multiverse crap they always pull that makes the understanding them surprisingly easier

[storm jungle]

Fallout also doesnt have 30 years of lore

[queen laurel]

In 40K

[storm jungle]

or a huge 10000 book series

again, it doesnt work

[crystal forum]

you dont need to explain that lore to have a compelling story

[queen laurel]

Yeah that

[storm jungle]

You kinda do

imagine a person watching a 40k movie for the first time or show

literally not having any idea what is going on

Whos the Imperium

Whos the Mechanicus

[queen laurel]

you need lore to make a story stand

[storm jungle]

Who are the Arbites

Whos the Emperor

[queen laurel]

No matter how simple

[storm jungle]

What are the skulls

What are these church imageries everywhere

lol

[arctic talon]

Tbf emperor you can figure out via context clues

lol

[queen laurel]

yeah even games who aren't really designed to have stories and are just for fun have some bits of lore attached to them

[storm jungle]

Okay thats one down

[arctic talon]

Arcane explains like barely any league lore and it works

[storm jungle]

what about everything else

[astral pecan]

event horizon

[storm jungle]

People were also confused by that movie

[dusk patrol]

Just do Eisenhorn smh

[storm jungle]

so no

[crystal forum]

i dont think you need to understand stuff like the HH to get 40k

[arctic talon]

HH is completely uncessary for 40k

[storm jungle]

Im not talking about HH

[arctic talon]

beyond the 9 traitor 9 loyalist

[storm jungle]

im talking about 40k as awhole lol

[arctic talon]

emperor got fucked up by Horus

[dusk patrol]

Stuff is explained fast in Eisenhorn

You can have exposition dumps for Bequin and explain other stuff through context clues

[astral pecan]

HH is fluff for 40k

[storm jungle]

thats because Eisenhorn is written by a good writer. Now imagine scriptwriting 40k.

💀

also novels =/= visual media

its a very hard task to do unless you're very good at it

[dusk patrol]

It’s not easy but I think you can get the general idea simply enough

Like Arbites, just show them being super cops

[storm jungle]

*American cops

but yes

[dusk patrol]

Inquisitors are really simple tbh

[astral pecan]

like its nice, it gives context to the present but you dont really need to know about the war in heaven to understand the orks fighting humanity

[storm jungle]

Me when acorn

[dusk patrol]

Just use the “my patience is limited unlike my authority”

[storm jungle]

same applies to HH

[crystal forum]

you can understand the basics from a bit of exposition at the start

[storm jungle]

its mythical

[queen laurel]

sees slightly dark human

Well well look what mutant wandered into the place

[storm jungle]

You really need to think from the POV of a regular audience

[arctic talon]

it is the 41st millenium

[dusk patrol]

You can also have a little prelude which does the whole 40k intro

[storm jungle]

People hate shit they dont understand

[arctic talon]

^

Literally juse use the 40k intro™️

Never fuckin fails

imo

[astral pecan]

also one piece is a thing

[dusk patrol]

Have a montage of different factions

[storm jungle]

One Piece is garbage

so that doesnt count either

[rocky gale]

I recently discovered that Star Trek Voyager uses scenes from Event Horizon, it's a very odd moment

[arctic talon]

filler the anime

[astral pecan]

the entire plot of one piece is that the context to the past is not known for the majority of it because you dont need that

[dusk patrol]

Your butt is gonna use scenes from my foot kicking it soon

[crystal forum]

it's the year 40k
humanity is ruled by a dead emperor
religion is one with the state
humanity fights on every front to stay alive and reclaim a former glory

[queen laurel]

oh nah Dilara really stepping on all the lines

[storm jungle]

[rocky gale]

What did I do?

[storm jungle]

I prefer my anime basic and easy to understand, like Jojo's bizarre adventure

[dusk patrol]

I have no opinion since I don’t have five months of my life to kill to try to catch up

[queen laurel]

It's the eternal kicker

do not worry about it

[arctic talon]

There's an issue when the anime has almost as many episodes as the manga has chapters

[dusk patrol]

You know what you did

[arctic talon]

I LOVE FILLER

[astral pecan]

jojo stands probably make more sense than the primarchs

[rocky gale]

I don't, I'm too stupid

[dusk patrol]

Primarchs aren’t hard to explain tbh

[storm jungle]

40k is already pretty anime so it adds up

[dusk patrol]

Big man strong

[storm jungle]

Space Marine but Bigger

[dusk patrol]

You don’t need to spell out every detail

[astral pecan]

primaris marine

[storm jungle]

Do we also even know if this "show" is gonna be live action or animated btw lmao

[queen laurel]

me watching the space marine fan trying to kill me with a knife after i told hold him his superhuman moves like an anime protagonist

[crystal forum]

star wars doesnt need to explain the clone wars to understand what storm troopers are

[storm jungle]

Yeah because star wars has been around in popular media for generations

okay more like decades but still lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah like Mario

[storm jungle]

that too

[queen laurel]

You don't need to explain what he does because he's been around for so long

[crystal forum]

people just want to see big men shoot alien

[storm jungle]

again, comparing 40k to popular franchises people know is not good examples.

lol

40k fans still cant even cope that half the world doesnt know their setting exists.

[astral pecan]

to be fair a big guy in space armour is not deep

[dusk patrol]

Like as an example, a lot of the background history you get from the books isn’t explained in GoT or GRRMs other books set in that world

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/to-infinity-and-beyond-buzz-lightyear-toy-story-1-all-the-way-to-infinity-and-beyond-catchphrase-gif-10946697482482624202

[crystal forum]

it really isn't as hard to understand as it seems to us who are really into it

[queen laurel]

Master Chief and doom slayer already stole the spotlight multiple times and of course Samus as well

[crystal forum]

tabletop people just know emperor good, xenos and chaos bad

[queen laurel]

Space marines are kind of the on the more bland side for super soldiers

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think it’s easy but I don’t think it’s that hard to get the general idea either

[rocky gale]

I assume Live Action, because GW probably wouldn't want to risk a good animated show making Warhammer+ look bad

[queen laurel]

wearing big armor

[arctic talon]

use the Arcane Formula/j

[astral pecan]

like this is a darktide server, to play darktide you dont need to know anything about space marines or the heresy

[arctic talon]

Jokes aside show don't tell works great for 40k

visually imo

[dusk patrol]

That’s why Eisenhorn is always recommended, it primes and leads you into a lot of concepts well

[queen laurel]

yeah but that formula it's not something easy to do and with the track record of a warhammer writer

[arctic talon]

you don't need to be told what the fuck a tech priest is if you see some weird red robed dude with a bunch of robotic limbs praying and fixing like a generator

[queen laurel]

It's going to be quite something

[dusk patrol]

It would be great for a show too since it doesn’t have many marines until the end so budget wise it would be good and you can explain them when it gets to them

Also people don’t care

You don’t need to explain why the big man is big and in armor to most people

[crystal forum]

i genuinely think that a wider audience would prefer human characters over space marines

[astral pecan]

you dont even need to explain space marines if they just show up towards the end

[storm jungle]

You kind of need to know about 40k to some larger extent, I have seen way too many people here just go:

"I got no idea whats going on, im confused"

[dusk patrol]

I think people would like a well done series and they don’t actually care either way

[storm jungle]

Space Marines make money

they are the Jedi of 40k

[dusk patrol]

Guardians of the Galaxy is one of the most consistently liked marvel series because it’s well done

[crystal forum]

yeah for 40k fans

[dusk patrol]

It’s cast is stupid as fuck

And not relatable but they are because it’s well done

[storm jungle]

James Gunn is basically way too OP tbh

[queen laurel]

No like the most recognizable thing about 40K is literally the space marines

[dusk patrol]

Nothing matters if something is well done

[queen laurel]

i hate saying that but like it's the truth

[astral pecan]

to be fair if you have seen anything 40k its the generic space marine helmets

[queen laurel]

the space marines are basically the mario of this franchise

[dusk patrol]

The idea that they shouldn’t do marines is silly, it’s a huge draw and if it’s done well who cares

[arctic talon]

Its one of those space marine cut outs from 8e

[dusk patrol]

They’re not gonna do a marine only series

[arctic talon]

^

[dusk patrol]

I can guarantee that

[crystal forum]

no it's like the 501st or whatever the fuck the thing is called. it's only liked by borderline nerds who don't represent the 90% casual audience

[dusk patrol]

That’s way too expensive

[arctic talon]

There's 0 shot they'll do marines only lol

[queen laurel]

yeah at least you're gonna have to include a space marine

Do something similar to fallout where the power armor which is something recognizable is on the show but it's not the main focus

[dusk patrol]

That’s why Eisenhorn is perfect

[arctic talon]

Marines are the most recognizable part of 40k

[dusk patrol]

You lead into the universe

[queen laurel]

A space marine shows up being awesome and you know you can get rid of them f

[storm jungle]

no its Jedi lol

[dusk patrol]

And the finale is Deathwatch vs Emperors Children

[storm jungle]

Jedi literally have to appear in any sort of star wars media

[dusk patrol]

And it’s not many marines at a time

[storm jungle]

or some character has to be a secret jedi

[dusk patrol]

Or some mfer is gonna pull a lightsaber

[rocky gale]

Do you mean the actual 501st in lore or the fan organisation the 501st?

[storm jungle]

The Mandalorian was great due to not having this

[crystal forum]

jedi are morally good because people enjoy the good guy vs bad guy dynamic too much imo

[storm jungle]

then

[storm jungle]

Okay but like that doesnt make my point any less better

they are boring

get them the fuck out of my face

[dusk patrol]

People like Jedi it’s not complicated

[crystal forum]

space marines are too evil looking for casuals

[arctic talon]

This shit is outside of a lot of game stores

[storm jungle]

Casuals love space marines

[storm jungle]

me when Andor

[dusk patrol]

This is 40k my guy

[astral pecan]

also remember space marine 2 later this year

[arctic talon]

if someone doesn't look evil

[rocky gale]

Jedi are the real evil

[arctic talon]

then

[arctic talon]

okay anakin

lets get you to bed now

[storm jungle]

LOL

[dusk patrol]

Also the Boys is one of the most popular shows rn

[astral pecan]

40k crossovers have gone up a lot this year in general

[queen laurel]

Did you really just say that space marines are too evil for casuals

[dusk patrol]

And everyone fucking sucks

[storm jungle]

to be fair

[queen laurel]

my brother in christ

[storm jungle]

Butcher is my spirit animal

[queen laurel]

Everyone in this ******* universe sucks

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/coffee-butcher-the-boys-gif-26022744

[dusk patrol]

Homelander carries the show and he’s the worst thing ever, people love watching bad people

[arctic talon]

Thank god The Boys is not like the source material

lol

[dusk patrol]

John Wick is another example

[arctic talon]

That shit would go straight ass

[dusk patrol]

These are not good people

No one cares

It’s cool

[queen laurel]

I'm going to be honest I thought of a very different butcher

[storm jungle]

Wick is just avenging his dog

[crystal forum]

john wick is a moral character tho

[storm jungle]

that makes murder ok

trust me

[astral pecan]

there is a reason that wasnt made and never will be

[dusk patrol]

Oi oi ‘omelanduh stole me son.

[crystal forum]

40k would definitely need to be modified a bit to fit with mainstream

[arctic talon]

No it wouldn't

[dusk patrol]

It doesn’t

[storm jungle]

Nah it wouldnt

[queen laurel]

i do feel sorry for the guy who is playing homelander because even though he does amazing acting people think that he's the literal character

[storm jungle]

people love violence and gore

[arctic talon]

Aesthetically maybe? tone down some gothic stuff

but like

[queen laurel]

like as if he can stop a train or shoot lasers

[arctic talon]

Everything else nah lol

[young pecan]

"I'm sorry, did you just call god a C-word?"

[dusk patrol]

Also like, do you think marines are gonna be stomping orphans and kicking puppies?

They’re gonna have them shooting Orks

Or whatever

[arctic talon]

funnily enough he has a fear of heights lol

[queen laurel]

God I hope so

[rocky gale]

*The shirt MM is wearing

[storm jungle]

like, literally everyone in here im sure has watched a violent movie they were extremely young to see and came out just fine.

It has nothing to do with mainstream censorship/toning down.

[dusk patrol]

Starlight

[crystal forum]

to me toning down means not having human slavery be normal and just vile grimdank shit

[queen laurel]

too much friday the 13th here

[storm jungle]

It will 100% be kept in

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/mewing-mewing-meme-mewing-snowman-snowman-mew-gif-3277874890067862090

[arctic talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WnKuvqpcf4

[crystal forum]

BUT it will be treated as bad

[storm jungle]

I mean

it is bad

so yes?

[arctic talon]

It'll be treated as bad from the Pov Character prolly

[storm jungle]

what are you, a southerner?

[arctic talon]

but everyone else won't give a shit

[crystal forum]

not in the 40k world. like how often does a character remark on how fucked servitors are

[arctic talon]

the PoV character will most likely be somewhat relatable to modern sensibilities imo

[dusk patrol]

Dude you’re actively looking for a reason it won’t work

[crystal forum]

that's what i mean

[astral pecan]

to be fair steallaris has "slavery" and that games rated for children

[queen laurel]

Toning down grim dark stuff in a setting known for being grim dark is uh

[young pecan]

Starlight in every fight be like 🖐️⚪

[arctic talon]

thats not changing the setting though? there's a lot of people who like

find Servitors and Slavery disagreeable but like

[arctic talon]

they're the minority

Stellaris is super abstracted

[astral pecan]

space slavery is fine for 7 year olds

[arctic talon]

so thats why its rated that way

lol

[crystal forum]

stellaris is a single video game not a whole setting

[dusk patrol]

Also like why do they even need to spotlight it

[dusk patrol]

Why would it come up

[young pecan]

They gotta learn somewhere

[queen laurel]

i can literally bring up the Daemonculaba and there is still worse things in the ******* setting so what's the point of turning it down

[arctic talon]

what is even the context behind this original video

[storm jungle]

Lost Cause myth

lmao

[arctic talon]

oh

[astral pecan]

the orks using humans for cattle for example

[arctic talon]

Lol

[queen laurel]

like using the dark themes of 40K has been one of its strong suit

[dusk patrol]

Like yes we know marines do fucked up things, they’re not gonna open with marines BBQing an orphanage

[storm jungle]

Well

not yet anyway

[queen laurel]

they should

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

Hopefully one day

[storm jungle]

LOL

[dusk patrol]

Maybe an Orkphanage

[queen laurel]

Really make it seem like they are true villains because they are

[queen laurel]

Fuck you that means free Gretchen BBQ

[crystal forum]

i can assure you all that for the setting to be sold to casuals it must leave us lore nerfs unsatisfied

[storm jungle]

Cant forget the scene where Chapter Master Homelander tells a depressed hive-factorum worker to jump off a building.

[crystal forum]

there is no in between

[arctic talon]

will it though

Will it

[queen laurel]

So you would rather appeal to the outsiders than the actual fans

That totally worked in a lot of circumstances

[dusk patrol]

Dude if I get to see a marine well done in live action I’m happy

[arctic talon]

I think you're being overly paranoid

[crystal forum]

i like seeing things crash and burn

[arctic talon]

okay so you're just being argumentative

[dusk patrol]

If I get to see Eisenhorn realized on TV

I’m happy

I don’t care if they make sure to spotlight every dirty detail

[queen laurel]

is it your favorite warhammer book series?

[astral pecan]

because his forbidden word girlfriend just died

[dusk patrol]

It’s up there I’d say

[queen laurel]

I don't look for very deep plots a lot so a lot of my warhammer books are just there for dumb fun

[dusk patrol]

Not sure what I would put above it

[astral pecan]

funniest part though is homelander didnt even like her for that, even he thought that was just weird

[dusk patrol]

And there’s the thing with this too.

We are watching this fucked up stuff for entertainment.

It’s awful

But it’s also like fun. It’s fun watching Antony Star be so fucked up.

[queen laurel]

Yeah it is let me replay the scene five more times

[storm jungle]

To quote Redlettermedia, we fucking love human misery

[dusk patrol]

He’s by far the best part of the show

[queen laurel]

watching a villain just be a villain is actually ******* fun

[dusk patrol]

Especially this season yikes

[young pecan]

He hates his fans because they keep thinking he's ACTUALLY like homelander in person

Like

[green loom]

40k lore is barely set in stone

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[crystal forum]

to me it's to show how modern fascism doesn't give a shit about anything except wanting power and powerful figures

[green loom]

You can ret away with a ton of shit

[young pecan]

I think you missed the point guys

[dusk patrol]

He should probably stop glassing them at bars then

[queen laurel]

"but my redeemable villain" yeah that boring stuff get that out of there

[young pecan]

He's NOT the good guy

[storm jungle]

Homelander is basically a Superhuman hitler-tier supremacist but his racism goes above that, its literally speciest more than anything to do with ethnicity

[queen laurel]

Yeah I said that above

[storm jungle]

which is even more fucking funny

[queen laurel]

People literally associating fiction from reality

[dusk patrol]

He’s Homelanderist

[queen laurel]

really need to be hammered in the head

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

He doesn’t even like most supes

[storm jungle]

The entire reason he makes racist remarks sometimes is simply because hes an asshole.

[astral pecan]

well yeah, she was a means to and end so was her beliefs, homelander didnt care about what she believed beyond it fufilling his own needs

[storm jungle]

thats it

[crystal forum]

he doesnt even have an ideology he just likes being better than everyone, which is the worst part since that's basically how a lot of people think

[queen laurel]

Also the threat he made to Starlight where OK expose me I will just burn down the world

he knows he's at the top of the food chain and he can get away with it

[storm jungle]

Yeah this too, hes different shades of supremacist

[queen laurel]

he's a ******* monster

[dusk patrol]

But anyways, the point being

People are perfectly fine watching fucked up people

If it’s well done

[young pecan]

I think his interactions with the hitler girl was funny post-injury

[dusk patrol]

or this season even if it’s not

[young pecan]

She's like "You MUST spread your superior genes" and he's just there getting a handie like "...yeah sure"

[dusk patrol]

Fucks sake that scene with Hughie in the vents made me wanna get lasered through the head

[crystal forum]

the special effects this season are wild

[dusk patrol]

Can’t wait til season 5 when they’re actually gonna have something happen

[astral pecan]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/840112791531945994.gif?v=1

[green loom]

He likes the ubermensch treatment but spreading it will make him not unique

Which is terrifying to him ig

[crystal forum]

they kinda have no idea what to do with hughie anymore huh

[storm jungle]

Whats that suppose to mean

[dusk patrol]

They don’t know what to with anyone because it makes no sense anymore

[storm jungle]

bruh

[dusk patrol]

It’s a filler season, I enjoy it but

It’s very much a lot of suspension of disbelief

[storm jungle]

Calling it "filler" is a bit much

[green loom]

Flying goat

[storm jungle]

Is this the vent scene again

[dusk patrol]

It’s a lot of stuff

[storm jungle]

IT LITERALLY IS ESTABLISHED HE CANT SEE THROUGH ZINC

[astral pecan]

its actually funny seeing people not understand the hospital scene, like if they can kill this supe like that why wont it work on homelander

[crystal forum]

i just noticed that he isn't the focus of the show anymore and his whole dad side plot kinda goes nowhere except to get simon pegg off the show

[dusk patrol]

They never say it’s zinc and it doesn’t matter

There’s no reason he can’t just like

[astral pecan]

like with that logic why dont they just shove c 4 up homelanders butt if it worked on another guy

[storm jungle]

because most supes wont lie in a bed relaxed letting you stick a syringe in them

[dusk patrol]

Rocket at him, fly over and blast him

[storm jungle]

idk why this is so hard to grasp

they had to calm Hughie's dad down after he killed like 6 people

lmao

[crystal forum]

it made me cry a bit yeah because i've experienced having a family member with dementia

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah

I really didnt see anything wrong with it

[astral pecan]

also they did the antman joke

[dusk patrol]

My issue was the hyper violence threw off the tone a lot

[storm jungle]

I thought the tone was hyper violence

[green loom]

They'd have to actually do it, it's like the Ant Man/Thanos thing
That being said an actual effort to kill him would probably end with him dead
But the main characters are basically just CIA sanctioned terrorists after a certain point so

[crystal forum]

the hyper violence is just amazon series being edgy

[dusk patrol]

I don’t dislike it but it’s definitely a lot worse than season 1-2

[storm jungle]

The lobotomy scene was basically me after visiting r/40klore

[crystal forum]

the show literally starts with a girl being exploded by A Train

[astral pecan]

no

[storm jungle]

Yeah but thats the entire starting point for the story

so its needed

[astral pecan]

it starts with homelander and maive

[dusk patrol]

I don’t mind the violence

[green loom]

I don't like the gore sfx

[dusk patrol]

I mind the tone issues they have sometimes

[green loom]

It's like playing fallout new Vegas with bloody mess

[arctic talon]

I think season 3, 4 and 5 are way more violent

[queen laurel]

Isn't literally one of the people in the show have a superpower that his penis can stretch super long

[dusk patrol]

Where sometimes I’m supposed to care and be horrified

[storm jungle]

Love Sausage 💀

[astral pecan]

love sausage

[dusk patrol]

Other times it’s like half a joke

[storm jungle]

I mean yeah

thats the point

[rocky gale]

That's Comrade Love Sausage

[storm jungle]

its black comedy

sometimes it lands

sometimes it doesnt

lmao

[queen laurel]

In the comic was also quite out there so the show being that is a not surprising

[crystal forum]

they should bring back jensen ackles

[arctic talon]

the comic is just dogshit

lol

[storm jungle]

They will at some point

[crystal forum]

every show is better with jensen ackles

[astral pecan]

true

[queen laurel]

What comedy?

what do you mean by that

[dusk patrol]

Like they’re doing a goofy scene with Hughies dad murdering multiple people and he’s spinning around in his body, and then next they’re all crying as he’s euthanizing him

[storm jungle]

I

wouldnt call those goofy

lmao

[crystal forum]

also as a supernatural fan i enjoy the reuse of actors

[storm jungle]

it was pretty fucking scary

[queen laurel]

So like an average comedy in a warhammer book

[storm jungle]

especially since he had dementia

[astral pecan]

yeah goofy is not the right word for that

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

It’s definitely played for comedic effect with the hospital bed guy

[storm jungle]

i was literally expecting him to kill his wife and was very much semi-mortified

since all the people he phases through are innocent folks

[crystal forum]

i did not see it that way

[astral pecan]

okay but the joke there is you know that terrible person is going to die

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

He should have tbh at least that would have made me feel better

[queen laurel]

You semi-mortified?

[storm jungle]

💀

[queen laurel]

wow that is scary

[astral pecan]

if we wasnt saying he is a "nice guy" and being creepy to the nurse that scene is very different

[storm jungle]

to be fair

[dusk patrol]

I mean I don’t really consider a guy hitting on a nurse a “terrible person”

[storm jungle]

his rizz DID work

[crystal forum]

he was being creepy?

[dusk patrol]

Which is my other issue

[astral pecan]

go up to someone and tell them you are a "nice guy"

[dusk patrol]

They’re clearly setting it up like somehow I should find that funny and almost ok

[storm jungle]

I mean i really dont think so still

[dusk patrol]

It’s just weird

[storm jungle]

nothing in the hospital chapters was funny

and it wasnt even suppose to be

especially the moment you see Hughie's dad doesnt remember the mom leaving the room

and you go "oh fuck"

[dusk patrol]

That’s kinda my tonal issue point

[crystal forum]

it still feels like they did all that because simon pegg wanted off the show imo

[dusk patrol]

They have all that

And then suddenly we have this goofy scene of his dad spinning around in a dude

[dusk patrol]

He wasn’t on the show

He just came back for a final thing

I don’t think he even appeared in season 3?

I don’t mind that really

[astral pecan]

hughies dad wasnt even a side character

he was just a plot point

and that plot point has ended

[crystal forum]

the previous seasons usually had a single overarching plot point like them trying to kill homelander last one

[dusk patrol]

Also fuck me I hate what they’ve done with Frenchie. And no I don’t care that he’s bi. I just hate his side plots.

[crystal forum]

i dont even know what their goal is rn

[arctic talon]

I think its kill homelander?

idk

[dusk patrol]

It’s so boring and we’ve basically already done it

[crystal forum]

like every character is doing something different

[arctic talon]

this feels like the weakest season of the show

but meh

[astral pecan]

what do you mean hes fr*nch, so they cant make him worse than he already was/is

[dusk patrol]

Truuuuu

[crystal forum]

and it's super weird how all of a sudden homelander has his shit together

[dusk patrol]

I wouldn’t say that. I think his arc is the one that’s working

[crystal forum]

i can already tell that smart supe is either going to take control or die suddenly from homelander

[dusk patrol]

And Butcher and the tumor and the totally not hallucinated friend and wife

[astral pecan]

no a train is gonna do something

[dusk patrol]

A train is probably gonna die this season I think

Also the Deep, I always enjoy the Deeps scenes.

[crystal forum]

the deep trying to act tough was actually really funny at least

[dusk patrol]

Sage is fine, idk. Super smart characters are a big gamble

[crystal forum]

giving the anchorman the death stare without explaining lmao

[astral pecan]

the deep is a chacter you love to watch suck

[dusk patrol]

I kinda hope they reveal shes like

[astral pecan]

everything the deep does is a failure

[crystal forum]

her having a master plan would be actually interesting but also super predictable

and i really dont like supersmart characters

[dusk patrol]

Idk I do like the concept of she lobotomizes herself to let off stress with the deep it is funny and it’s an interesting idea but I don’t find her writing to be compelling

It’s a lot of tell don’t show

The actress is fun though

Firecracker and her accent is hot so….yeah

[crystal forum]

i cant wait for her gruesome death

[arctic talon]

The deep is funny as shit though

[dusk patrol]

I’m so done with Starlight too they have no idea what to do with her

I hope she gets better but fuck me

[arctic talon]

https://youtu.be/fsvikjIug60?si=qU0XGXvwil8KZ6S7

[crystal forum]

it's like they're only developing the evil characters this season

[dusk patrol]

Deep Thoughts is great too

The issue is last season they had Soldier boy to drive stuff more and they kinda have to just slowly escalate stuff this season

So season 5 can have stuff go actually nuts

Hopefully

[crystal forum]

the ironic part is the deep is always eating junk food on the show

[dusk patrol]

Also next season or later this season they’ll probably bring Soldier Boy back

Which would help a lot.

[crystal forum]

jensen ackles is also an extremely fun actor

which helps a lot

i love him so much

[dusk patrol]

Basically

He’s got a lot of charisma and it’s a fun character

Last seasons ending was, ugh.

[crystal forum]

homelander killing somebody in plain daylight and being declared innocent seems like another trump jab

doesnt seem to have gone anywhere

oh wait i remember their plan now

they're trying to kill the head popping lady

but she's also sorta on their side

[dusk patrol]

It’s a whole thing

[crystal forum]

and the guy from walking dead is in the show now

for some reason

[dusk patrol]

Unfortunately her and the Hughie actor are a couple irl, possibly engaged I think? So their chemistry is too good.

Shame

[crystal forum]

they also brought back giancarlo

who will play the same character until he dies

what's wild to me is that homelander's kid actor aged so much and the two actors from gen V dont seem one day older

[rocky gale]

Because the people from Gen V are like 30

and teens mature faster than 30 year olds

[dusk patrol]

Yeah I kinda wish they didn’t make the kid do that voice

Just say he went through puberty

[rocky gale]

It's two different kids right?

[dusk patrol]

He’s doing a good job despite having to put on that goofy voice

[rocky gale]

Like they're identical twins

[dusk patrol]

It’s twins yeah or at least it was

Not sure anymore.

[rocky gale]

I'd hope it's still both of them, imagine how awkward it would be if one of them got fired

[dusk patrol]

I was thinking with House of the Dragon with the twin bodyguards

Who are actually twins

Did they ever like, switch roles?

[rocky gale]

I remember a behind the scenes thing about that in seasn 1

[dusk patrol]

Was it always the “right” twin?

They did a fantastic job because they both did great and I couldn’t tell who was who really lol

[rocky gale]

I think on the confrontation between Otto and Rhaenyra on the bridge it was the same twin playing both because one of them was unavailable for shooting

[dusk patrol]

Yeah I figured maybe something like that would happen

[rocky gale]

So they just filmed it in a way where he just switched places on where he was standing depending on the angle

[dusk patrol]

Frees up schedules

[rocky gale]

Oh, looks like although they're identical twins they never used both for the Boys

Cameron was hired, not Nicholas

Although

No, okay apparently they used Nicholas as a stand in, but he's not credited on IMDB

[dusk patrol]

Yeah iirc they used to do stuff when they were younger

But apparently the other isn’t as interested in acting or something

[rocky gale]

The stance on this one always kills me

[crystal forum]

they look like they're barely 20

[dusk patrol]

They’re like 12 in that

[rocky gale]

Na they're like 29 and 28

The Gen V people, not the kids

[dusk patrol]

Oh nvm

[crystal forum]

shit damn

[dusk patrol]

Yeah they’re all pretty old

The guy who died was 27

[rocky gale]

It's standard Holywood, 30 years play teenagers and college students

[crystal forum]

they really found the youngest looking millenials to play gen Z

[queen laurel]

Antony Starr on that position

[dusk patrol]

Seeing Anthony Starr behind the scenes with him is fun though

[rocky gale]

Hey 27 is still Gen Z

[queen laurel]

yeah he does not deserve getting branded to be like in personality as homelander

[dusk patrol]

Well, I will say

Glassing someone at a bar is uh

Not great

He seems like he’s mostly a fun person to be around but idk that shits kinda wild

[viral halo]

You think they choke the chicken together or solo?

[dusk patrol]

Especially since he didn’t really get in trouble for it or have to serve time.

[dusk patrol]

I wonder if they compare lengths ever

[viral halo]

matthew broderick (inspector gadget/ferris) killed a mother and child in ireland and faced no penalty for it

[rocky gale]

Not saying this was a free option

[dusk patrol]

I would say that’s not great either

[rocky gale]

Yep, he wasn't arrested for it because it would have disrupted his filming schedule

[viral halo]

Roman Polanski molested an underage girl at Jack Nicholson's house and fled the US to france as a wanted pedofile and won the oscar for best picture for directing the pianist while being a fugitive decades later

hiding in france bc they wont extradite him to US

[rocky gale]

He got like a £200 fine and never even apologised for it

[dusk patrol]

Ted Kennedy is another good example

[viral halo]

I have a mental list of horrible things famous people have done going

[dusk patrol]

He’s dead now at least though I guess

Still got to be a fucking senator

After he left a girl to die

[viral halo]

Karl Malone impregnated a teenage girl when she was like 14 and he was a grown man and just pretended they didn't exist for a decade and got away with it until people dug it back up

well he still got away with it

Caitlyn Jenner killed someone in a car crash

Uhhhhhh let's see who else

[dusk patrol]

Eddie Murphy was allowed to make multiple nutty professor movies

He was even paid for them

[viral halo]

Eddie Murphy had a trans prostitute killed once they started talking about how they were fucking him

[crystal forum]

the daddy daycare actor?

[viral halo]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shalimar_Seiuli

[crystal forum]

we need to resurrect mister rogers and make him president of the world

there is no other way

[viral halo]

He'd be too kind

You need someone who can match the global freak in office

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think that’s a totally fair summary of the whole wild series of events

Maybe he did but he did also successfully sue for defamation when a magazine tried to run the story