40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

Yeah the torture ones i kinda just cant watch

needlessly cruel and dumb

[winter vessel]

When presented with the “I’m not a Robot” question on websites:

[storm jungle]

honestly mood

[outer wave]

Never seen the movie but heard of it

It seems pretty cool

[queen laurel]

Me when i literally merged with my pc but i still can't beat the boss that is super hard

[shell mason]

Rad?

[queen laurel]

No painful

[shell mason]

what boss?

[queen laurel]

The old rogue trader dark eldar Kabal leader

That one was f****** annoying to deal with

[shell mason]

Oh

that sucks

[queen laurel]

Yeah at least i am sure it's more balance now but back then it was f****** something

[shell mason]

oof

[dusk patrol]

Pfft, someone didn’t bring Cassia

Destroyer of Worlds Cassia

[arctic talon]

Cassia is “fair” and “balanced”

[sacred ginkgo]

SHUT UP HERETIC 250% DAMAGE HELD IN MY GAZE

[rose thorn]

Cassia: ‘Peak a boo X3’

https://tenor.com/view/dead-melt-homer-scary-gif-14299487

[young pecan]

Her AoE ability is just so cracked

All the buffs you can stack on her too

[sacred ginkgo]

I could never use the aoe because it would FF or she was too far back

and FF'ing with cassia is instant death

[young pecan]

I had Argenta and my character as a backline, Abelard was up front with Cassia because he could afford to tank that

[sacred ginkgo]

My argenta was moving as fast as she could to find more shit to kill

In late act four and five it was very much so she was limited by quantity of targets

[young pecan]

Does the game tell you when you're moving forward in acts like BG3 does? Or does it just kinda happen

Because RT is such a very long game if I'm not even past act 1

[sacred ginkgo]

Act one is the very first system

And yeah there is a nice cutscene between acts

[young pecan]

Oh I've been going around for a while now so I suppose I'm in act 2?

[sacred ginkgo]

Yeah if you can freely travel you are in act 2

[young pecan]

https://www.tiktok.com/t/ZTN61SpX3/

[sacred ginkgo]

Act 3 is slightly obvious

[young pecan]

guys mechanicus irl

[sacred ginkgo]

act 4 equally so

same with act 5

[young pecan]

5 acts

[green loom]

Check your quest log lel

[sullen cape]

Can a Krieger korpsman be a hero or are they bound to be nameless and die in the collective? (respond once you read seige of vraks)

[arctic talon]

They can be a “hero” but with the way the regiment works it’s not likely

Also the Siege of Vraks book kind of sucks as a siege of vraks book

[sullen cape]

I like it.

[arctic talon]

fair enough

I think I was expecting somthing different from it

[modest echo]

after reading cadia i was wondering, are all necron lords chill like trazyn?

[arctic talon]

No, trazyn is a weirdo also he’s an overlord

[green loom]

They're all weirdos but in their own ways

[winter vessel]

Especially Illuminor Szeras

[arctic talon]

Szeras isn’t a lord

Szeras is a Cryptek

[winter vessel]

I meant in the c

Context of necron weirdos

[arctic talon]

Oh

[queen laurel]

Oh trust me i did but it was back like at the first release of the game

Like at the very earlier times

Like i said right now it's definitely more balanced at least because they did rebalance a lot of s***

[tough haven]

Anyone know any rogue trader battle music that gives off mechanicus vibes?

[queen laurel]

Well this is something

[fallen plaza]

What a weird ass name that journalist has

Zack Twozen?

[crystal forum]

when even the beta won't be ready in time

i expect this game to be god awful on launch

[fallen plaza]

The beta canceling really isn't a good look

With the delays and all

[rose thorn]

How the hell is canceling a beta improve the launch?

[queen laurel]

Trust me i do not f****** know

[queen laurel]

It really makes you wonder doesn't it

[outer wave]

I really wonder how much effort is relieved with no beta happening

[dusk patrol]

Betas aren't betas anymore.

They're server stress testing at best.

Mostly they're just marketing.

[fallen plaza]

Please be good sm2

[dusk patrol]

We'll see how it turns out, I definitely expect online issues. But I'm hopeful.

[queen laurel]

You have to admit though canceling the beta is a bit worrying

[loud badge]

99% of times

[plush mason]

yeah

[dusk patrol]

Maybe, I don’t expect any games to launch well this day and age really. Especially the MP. But we’ll see.

[plush mason]

same

[vagrant narwhal]

I just realized, the Moebians might be the first proper Nurgle Traitor Guard portrayed in 40K

I've looked around a few times over the years, I've never been able to find a Nurgle-loyal Chaps Guard regiment

[storm jungle]

The only "proper" form of ""traitor guard"" (even tho they aren't, they're a militia) was the Siege of Vraks chaos forces/Vraksians and the Blood Pact.

The Blackstone Fortress Grendians came out later on which is what the Moebians are largely based on aesthetic wise with a few liberties but the Moebians are much more in the forefront popularity wise due to being in a videogame

keep in mind this is also in the rough span of about 25 IRL years

[vagrant narwhal]

I know, most of the time it's either the Khornate Guard or Chaos Undivided

I'm actually very shocked there isn't a Tzeentchian Traitor Guard based around enacting like 7 combat strategies at once

[lime venture]

tzeentch guard teleports 15 gunners directly above you on balconies

[storm jungle]

Traitor Guard are not popular or even a tabletop faction its one of the reasons why.

They are a case of "Looks cool but doesnt have a large enough market".

Same reason why most Imperial Guard regiments have been taken to the back of the shed

[vagrant narwhal]

Doing fucking Trench, Guerilla, Psychological and Cyberwarfare all at the same timr

[lime venture]

tzeentch guard teleports in 6 crushers to fight you but all of them have the attack speed of dreg ragers

ragers are in next with the attack speed of crushers

[vagrant narwhal]

While also deploying a wave of psykers to mind-scream at loyalists until their eyes pop

[spring cairn]

tzeentch guard in sm2

well they call them cultists but i can literally see their guardsman uniform

[vagrant narwhal]

Actually hold up

Tzeentchian Traitor Guard is just a shitload of Psyker Commissars directing undead Guardsman and lesser Tzeentch Daemons with lasguns and helmets

[storm jungle]

They are cultists

they use the exact same models

Im so autistic i can literally remember the gasmask and the costumes they use anywhere

[tough haven]

Ok actually sounds awesome

[storm jungle]

Tho they bothered to actually give them "beaks" which is funny

actually no

I take that back sorry

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah Dils have you heard about the space marine 2 beta

[vagrant narwhal]

Oh wow the SM2 tzeentch guard looks nice

[storm jungle]

they arent tzeentch guard

they are generic cultists painted blue

[storm jungle]

yep

[vagrant narwhal]

Nah, Lambda's right, they're wearing cut up Guard fatigues. Also, who the fuck is producing Chaos Belt Buckles?

[queen laurel]

Not a good look is it

[storm jungle]

I literally posted the miniatures.

[queen laurel]

The reasoning on canceling the beta for improvements is

[vagrant narwhal]

Was referring to the SM2 guys

[queen laurel]

Just straight up doesn't make sense

[storm jungle]

I know

they are a copy of the miniatures

they arent wearing guardsmen gear

anywhere lol

they are also basically in blue rags

[winter vessel]

ca-caw ca-CAW ass looking cultists

[storm jungle]

Caw caw yourself some fucking MILK more like

[tough haven]

Just shout that at them before fighting

[winter vessel]

It’d be funny to customize your look as a Raven Guard. The cultists would be like “…Dad?”

[crystal forum]

autoguns my beloved

cultists know what's up

[storm jungle]

Cultists got no budget 😔

[crystal forum]

better than shooting photons at the enemy 🤮

[pure crag]

Alright so I got into 40K like 4 days ago, when I installed DT.

So like, is the god emperor like psykikly still alive as a spirit thing, or is he just a digital copy of him?

He's the robot skull that's printed everywhere in the imperium, I was told he was "uploaded" but also that he can watch over everything.

So like, robot or psychic entity?

Figured if I wanna learn the lore might aswell start at the top

[storm jungle]

Hes still alive just very badly mauled from the Horus Heresy and is trapped on the Golden Throne which keeps him half-alive while allowing his psychic powers to fuel the Astronomican, a device installed on the himalayan mountains whos psychic light spreads to most of the milky way and helps Imperial ships easily warp travel

[lime venture]

god emprah is dis guy

[storm jungle]

The flying robot skulls are "servo-skulls", basically the actual skull of any dead Imperial that is considered worthy to be turned into one as a glorified honored roomba that does menial tasks, they dont really have anything left in there

[pure crag]

And then he became dis guy

[lime venture]

yeah

[storm jungle]

Hes more or less fractured mentally and psychically and is not exactly "there", he doesnt communicate with anyone minus sometimes through visions which can be true or untrue.

The Imperium basically has no way of communicating with him

[arctic talon]

It’s called it came to me in a dream

[storm jungle]

that too

[pure crag]

Then how do they know and so devotely follow his will?

[storm jungle]

They just do

[arctic talon]

Because

[pure crag]

Is it all just "purge xenos and heretics" they operate on?

[arctic talon]

Religious maniacs

[storm jungle]

Yes

[arctic talon]

And also yes

[storm jungle]

the Imperium is a fascist authoritarian hellhole

[arctic talon]

That isn’t so much religion

As uh

Imperial doctrine

[lime venture]

its all erebus's fault

[pure crag]

I see, don't really need a word from old empy, they know what to do.

[arctic talon]

Though it got shoved into the imperiums religion as well

By lorgar back when he wrote the Lecto Divinatus

[storm jungle]

Hes basically just a symbolic figurehead, he would probably stop half of what the Imperium is doing but hes physically braindead

[arctic talon]

Humanity has a divine right to the galaxy

[lime venture]

who is also evil now

[pure crag]

Yeah yeah, I'm starting to see how it is.

[arctic talon]

Lorgar won the heresy so hard it’s not even funny

[storm jungle]

He was on that christian grindset

[lime venture]

its still erebus's fault

[storm jungle]

Erebus the Chad did what had to be done

without him we wouldnt have 40k

[lime venture]

if i had beaten erebus with a chainaxe to his spine i wouldnt have hesitated

[pure crag]

So the Warhammer with the dakka dakka orcs is the same one right, just 40K years in the past?

[storm jungle]

You mean warhammer fantasy?

[pure crag]

Are they still around in the 40K setting somehow?

[pure crag]

yeah

[storm jungle]

no

unrelated settings

[pure crag]

aah i see, completely different universes

[storm jungle]

orks are just in both because warhammer has massive fantasy elements

[outer wave]

40k originally started as a spinoff to Fantasy, but became it's own thing over time

[storm jungle]

^

[lime venture]

https://tenor.com/view/waaaagon-warhammer40k-ork-orks-battlewagon-gif-15712545

[storm jungle]

Its why it has a lot of fantasy races/elements

[arctic talon]

Orcs in WHFB are also

A lot less goofy

[storm jungle]

the only similiar things in 40k and Warhammer Fantasy are the chaos gods (so people can play daemon armies on both settings without rebuying an entire range) and thats kind of it

[queen laurel]

Their comedy is killing you to death with a rock

Yes that's the joke they will kill you brutally

Look at this guy i teared off his arm

[arctic talon]

You forgot skinning you alive

[pure crag]

Boltguns do remind me of Orc weapons, but I guess that also just boils down to the creators love for fatass guns

[arctic talon]

But yeah lol

[storm jungle]

Correct

[arctic talon]

Orcs in WHFB are just a brutal murderous horde

[lime venture]

https://tenor.com/view/40k-gif-27112118

this man was only alive

[storm jungle]

thats meme lore

[lime venture]

because the orks believed they couldnt kill him

[queen laurel]

Surprisingly aos somehow wrote them to be just as equivalently funny as 40k orks but they are still as belligerent as brutal as old fantasy

[lime venture]

then angron :(

[storm jungle]

thats also meme lore

💀

[queen laurel]

Aos yet again proving that it is goated

[arctic talon]

Tbf the humor comes from like

How blunt they are lol

Or how they just don’t give a shit lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah like you recommending red mars

[pure crag]

Also, just have to say, "Laspistol" being just that slightly off from "Laserpistol" is so cute

[storm jungle]

its borrowed from the Dune books

Las sounds better than "laser"

mostly

[lime venture]

you mean flashlight?

[storm jungle]

god

[pure crag]

It does roll better off the tongue, tru

[queen laurel]

Kill him

[lime venture]

https://tenor.com/view/imperial-knight-warhhammer40k-cannon-imperial-knights-imperium-gif-17876382

this is true power

[arctic talon]

It’s certainly not a flashlight when shooting a human lol or an unarmored target

[storm jungle]

but grimdank told me it is

[arctic talon]

Yes ignore the fact it works against flak armor and can kill marines under massed fire

[storm jungle]

yes but memes

[arctic talon]

[lime venture]

lasguns are great

[queen laurel]

A chaos marine literally said that if you under estimate it you're a f****** idiot

[lime venture]

but knights are cool

[pure crag]

about to leave for work
"Honey! You almost forgot your little penis banner! "

[arctic talon]

Knights are cool

[pure crag]

Psychics are cool

weird, and that's cool

[lime venture]

psyker knight

[pure crag]

yoo

[arctic talon]

That’s a chaos knight

Abominant or whatever

[lime venture]

no its not

[pure crag]

Why do the Imperium insist on keeping all their psykers twinks?

[arctic talon]

They don’t, there’s marine psykers

[lime venture]

i meant psi titan

[arctic talon]

Oh

Psi titans just use psykers as batteries lmao

[pure crag]

Ooh cool

[arctic talon]

The princeps is a blank

[storm jungle]

Malnutrition and torture mostly

being a psyker is not fun 💀

[lime venture]

warlord-sinister-class titan

[dusk patrol]

"The Legionnaire that scoffs at a lasgun has not charged across an open field against a hundred of them."
— Maor the Scarred, Siege-Champion of the Scargivers

[pure crag]

Yeah didn't take long before I realized I'm a shunned degenerate dangerous weapon and people will be reprimanded for talking to me

[arctic talon]

also a lot of psykers don’t need to be physically strong

Since biomancy

Can just give you instant steroids

[lime venture]

imagine a 108 foot tall war machine mentally telling you to kys

youre not gonna say no

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-awesome-mario-twerking-gif-23644561

[pure crag]

Warp make muscle go brr.

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think it matters, since it just kills you

[storm jungle]

its not even "kill" more just super-omega-vaporization iirc

💀

[pure crag]

Is it the warp or is it the "metasomething"?

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[pure crag]

I remember reading a word like that

[storm jungle]

Its basically a parallel dimension

[pure crag]

like a 40K twist on the word "metaphysical"

[lime venture]

removing that direction

[storm jungle]

imagine like the astral plain but its filled with oceans of negative emotion and daemons

[pure crag]

So the DnD Negative dimension basically?

[storm jungle]

honestly yeah

its also the domain of the chaos gods

[lime venture]

you want to go to (planet)? travel through Hell itself to get there

[pure crag]

Oh I see I see. That's why psykers are so reviled. They're dabbling in the shit the Chaos lads worship.

[lime venture]

pretty much

[arctic talon]

Tbf the warp is a natural part of the universe

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

It just got irreversibly destroyed during the War in Heaven

[pure crag]

It's purple and real scary tho.

[lime venture]

and psykers are at great risk of being mentally invaded by chaos gods at all times

[storm jungle]

The bad treatment of psykers also make the situation even worse

[arctic talon]

It used to be purple and not scary

[storm jungle]

its a vicious cycle

[arctic talon]

Turns out mass intergalactic murder of an incredibly psychic species and constant war

Has ruined it

[pure crag]

Sorry what?

[arctic talon]

What a suprise

[lime venture]

dont forget the eldar

[storm jungle]

the Eldar didnt do anything

[arctic talon]

Necrons vs The old ones

[storm jungle]

it was entirely the necrons and the frogs fault

lmao

[arctic talon]

The warp was already fucked

When they made slaanesh

[lime venture]

the eldar had sex

[dusk patrol]

I wouldn’t say the Eldar did nothing

[arctic talon]

Slaanesh’s birth fucked with real space more

[lime venture]

things got way worse

[arctic talon]

Yeah also this

[dusk patrol]

They definitely made it worse

[arctic talon]

Since they were on the old ones side

During the war in heaven

[storm jungle]

Im talking more about the War in Heaven

[pure crag]

Necrons, all I know is vaguely what they look like. Spiky skeleton lads right? Black armor.

[arctic talon]

But the war in heaven is mostly just the old ones and Necrons fault

[storm jungle]

Okay but the Old Ones started it all is my point lol

the problem is the Old Ones were also not entirely incorrect

Necrons were a conquering species even with space cancer

giving them immortality was a bad idea

[arctic talon]

The Necrons were horrible

[storm jungle]

you prob should have just wiped them out

[lime venture]

https://tenor.com/view/lychguard-warhammer40k-necron-warhammer40000-wh40k-gif-19167218

[storm jungle]

lmao

[lime venture]

this guy

[dusk patrol]

We also don’t really know what causes the warp to become what it was, it’s not even clear if it was actually not fucked up at all beside the war in Heaven or when the other chaos gods spawned

[storm jungle]

its very much due to the War in Heaven

[arctic talon]

That’s also a good point

[storm jungle]

i dont think thats really ever been disputed

[dusk patrol]

It’s never said that’s what caused it

It’s one likely thing but we don’t know

[storm jungle]

It has,

[pure crag]

God this universe is so big. Tryna learn about one topic and we're already onto topic 28

I love it

[storm jungle]

the problem is you'd need to dig through thousands of pages

[dusk patrol]

We have no idea when the other chaos gods spawned

[storm jungle]

and find that one passing sentence

lol

[lime venture]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-cope-warhammer-meme-shut-up-gif-24598622

[storm jungle]

Yeah nobody does

because the lore we had on that was "they got born due to humans"

[dusk patrol]

That’s kinda the point

[storm jungle]

then they abandoned that

[lime venture]

gets shot by necron

[storm jungle]

because its stupid

lmao

[arctic talon]

Mmmmm Necrons

[lime venture]

space egypt robots

[storm jungle]

"Yeah these galactic gods were born because of a single planet's great depression crisis"

💀

[dusk patrol]

The war in heaven is just the most oldest big fucked event we know of

It doesn’t mean it was the first

[storm jungle]

It definitely was the first tbh

[arctic talon]

Ironic that the most awful part of the Eldar Empire didn’t get wiped out by the birth of slaanesh

[dusk patrol]

There’s nothing to suggest that at all

[storm jungle]

You can literally say that about the opposite lol

[lime venture]

krorks are a thing too

[arctic talon]

They’ve got like 0 real lore

[shell mason]

yo lore chat

[dusk patrol]

Krorks smorks

[storm jungle]

Vashtorr has an entire storytime to Abaddon about this 💀

[lime venture]

theyre what orks used to be

[shell mason]

hows everyone?

[storm jungle]

wait

THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE?

[shell mason]

what

[lime venture]

what

[arctic talon]

Fine

[storm jungle]

i thought it was him changing his name

ah well rip

[spring cairn]

you can't tell them apart just like the actual kriegs

[dusk patrol]

DAE GHAZ IS A KRORK NOW?!

[storm jungle]

Turtle's pfp is more zoomed in

case closed

[shell mason]

Awe thank you witchfinder

[lime venture]

are you saying all kriegers look the same!?

ugh

[arctic talon]

The beast in question

[lime venture]

so disrespectful

[shell mason]

have some class

[dusk patrol]

Once Ghaz starts getting confused for a small titan or knight

[shell mason]

we clearly look nothing alike

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/i-robot-sonny-hiding-subterfuge-gif-25954630

[pure crag]

So are necrons like an alien race?

[dusk patrol]

…….

[lime venture]

yes

[arctic talon]

Yes

[pure crag]

or cursed humans or something

[shell mason]

Yes

[arctic talon]

They’re xenos

[shell mason]

Long story short

[lime venture]

first there was necrontyr

[pure crag]

I like those

[lime venture]

sad radiation husk people

then they worshipped a soul eating thing that ate their souls🤯

[storm jungle]

You really need to watch lore videos first

you will get nothing here from all the message piles

[lime venture]

and put them in robots

[dusk patrol]

They were lame and then they became based and then they became even more based and then they got sleepy and now they’re less based but make good wacky couples comedies

[autumn cypress]

the new short story is baller

[shell mason]

They had cancer and got screwed by old gods thats put their minds into robot bodies. However the gods ate their souls

[pure crag]

I like engaging with people

[dusk patrol]

Then they beat them up

[storm jungle]

Bad idea

[green loom]

Jaime Martinez my beloved

[dusk patrol]

But seriously just

[outer wave]

Hey I suggested he come here!

[shell mason]

And put them into pokeballs

[dusk patrol]

Look at an overview

For basic stuff

[spring cairn]

keep engaging with people

[dusk patrol]

It’s jsut gonna lead to more questions

[spring cairn]

break free

[shell mason]

Look up Weshammer for more details

[dusk patrol]

No

[shell mason]

or mr bones 40k

[dusk patrol]

Do not

Jfc

[pure crag]

If you break one of their bodies does their consciousness go away from it?

[green loom]

Ye

[shell mason]

If their body dies thats it

[green loom]

At least, usually

[arctic talon]

https://youtu.be/M6M9-oFEKpk?si=Zdx1kfCrL7Qvj9Fv

[shell mason]

Usually they're royalty and them they have clones

[spring cairn]

aren't the average necron basically a non-conscious slab

[pure crag]

Do they like repair themselves or are they made from some insanely durable metal?

[shell mason]

Yes

[arctic talon]

They’re pretty much non sapient yeah

[autumn cypress]

Trazyn moment

[arctic talon]

Both

[spring cairn]

only the elite retains consciousness

[lime venture]

necrons are made of living metal

[spring cairn]

afaik

[lime venture]

its metal but alive

[storm jungle]

Its almost like...

Living metal

[arctic talon]

Starting with immortals and deathmarks there’s some echo of them left, lychguard are the first ones to have actual consciousness

[lime venture]

🤯

[shell mason]

Mixture of both, the material their made of is durable as hell and can repair themselve automatically

[pure crag]

Figured it had to be something like that since they're immortal cyborgs basically

Well not really cyborgs, but not robots either

Machine powered by soul

[arctic talon]

Anyone who recommends Wes hammer, Mr bones or Majorkill gets skinned alive

[storm jungle]

^

[autumn cypress]

the lore calls the material Necrodermis, Iron Hands Primarch Ferris Manus drowned a necron monster in lava and got his hands coated in the stuff almost permanently

[pure crag]

or well not soul, that was eaten

will?

[shell mason]

Fucking die

[arctic talon]

They don’t have souls

They’re an anomaly

[storm jungle]

It was their souls

[spring cairn]

necrons would be based if every single one of them had retained consciousness

[storm jungle]

they are quite literally souless

[storm jungle]

no

[spring cairn]

yes

[celest dome]

So what about Archhammer
Do we skin them then dunk them in salt and lemon juice ?

[storm jungle]

that loses their grimdarkness

[autumn cypress]

their souls were eaten by their gods as the Necrontyr were tricked by the C'tan

[shell mason]

You don't have a soul

[arctic talon]

Skinned alive, Drawn and quartered by 40,000 snails

[celest dome]

As the Lord command

[dusk patrol]

It’s implied the way he got his hands wasn’t quite that way but he also liked to tell different stories or let people guess and didn’t clarify which was true.

[lime venture]

whos actually trustworthy tho

[pure crag]

Right so what is powering their bodies?

[dusk patrol]

Not those guys

[lime venture]

nah dip

[dusk patrol]

Space magic

[celest dome]

Unknown
Advanced tech

[shell mason]

Baldermort

[dusk patrol]

They have reactors and stuff

[spring cairn]

tech so advanced it looks like magic

[dusk patrol]

But it’s space magic

[pure crag]

Is there like a separate metaphysical "body essence" aside from the soul in this universe?

[spring cairn]

so yeah space magic

[autumn cypress]

Archeotech and Brainwaves, the Necrons are THE most technologically advanced race in 40k

[storm jungle]

They got this magic orb

[dusk patrol]

Not what archeotech is

[storm jungle]

[lime venture]

i thought tau was by now

[dusk patrol]

Wat

[storm jungle]

wat

[lime venture]

theyre stupid commies but theyve got good tech

[storm jungle]

what

[shell mason]

Wat

[dusk patrol]

Who let all these numpties in

[shell mason]

Brother

thats my job

[pure crag]

No wonder we shoot them

[lime venture]

theft worthy tech

[dusk patrol]

Tau aren’t even top 5 most advanced

[autumn cypress]

not by a long shot, the Necrons have FTL travel, antigravity generators, and that fuckin galaxy map where they can click a star and literally detonate it

[storm jungle]

Im legit gonna blow my brains out from the "tau are communists" joke at this point.

[spring cairn]

Taus are incredibly advanced considering how long they've been around and that's it

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Lutien, occulus imperia, arbitrator Ian

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah

[shell mason]

.....Tau are space commies

[lime venture]

they are tho

[arctic talon]

They’re just facists 💀

[tough haven]

I think it’s cool that the ones that lack consciousness have enough echoes of it to be semi interesting while retaining grimdark

[storm jungle]

no

[arctic talon]

They have a caste based society

[storm jungle]

stop getting your lore from grimdank

[spring cairn]

they clearly have the title of being the fastest to develop their tech

[lime venture]

xeno bad

[arctic talon]

Or I guess authoritarians

Not facists

[lime venture]

emper good

[pure crag]

Is the development of AI illegal or am I mixing it up with a different universe now?

[arctic talon]

Either way

[tough haven]

They’re literally the imperium with a different flavor of pretending they aren’t evil

[storm jungle]

Its illegal

[shell mason]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-gif-21922016

[arctic talon]

For the imperium yes

[autumn cypress]

super dee duper illegal

[storm jungle]

we use lobotimized innocent people instead

its cheaper

[tough haven]

Or sometimes lobotomized guilty people

[autumn cypress]

unless your name is Belisarius Cawl

[lime venture]

yes

[spring cairn]

still less evil imo

[pure crag]

Brains are better computers anyway

[arctic talon]

He still uses lobotomized people

Lol

[lime venture]

penitent engine moment

[winter vessel]

that's one way to call game journalists

[tough haven]

Well yeah, but that’s not a high bar to reach lol

[storm jungle]

Exclude the "innocent" part

[winter vessel]

yea

[arctic talon]

Lol

[tough haven]

I would have more respect for game journalists if they were monotask servitors

Then they’d at least be decent at the thing they do

[arctic talon]

LOL

[lime venture]

i would have more respect for game journalists if they werent game journalists

[arctic talon]

Also Cawl himself at this point is arguably an AI lol

Even if he’s got a physical brain still

[tough haven]

Pretty much

[spring cairn]

they would clearly be that one morally questionable faction in a generic sci-fi setting

[tough haven]

But we don’t talk about that

[arctic talon]

He’s a bunch of amalgamated Minds

[tough haven]

He’s goofy and I love them

[arctic talon]

Cawl has not literally made AI yet

Lol

[tough haven]

Not literally

[arctic talon]

Unless you count himself

[winter vessel]

I take them as seriously as a kindergartener who tells me the life story of their imaginary friend they came up with in class 20 mins ago

[tough haven]

And yet being the main keyword there

[dusk patrol]

Unless

[arctic talon]

Tau would be comically evil

In most settings

[dusk patrol]

[tough haven]

Fr

[storm jungle]

[spring cairn]

would they really ?

[storm jungle]

i got no iron hands emote

so have this thing

[autumn cypress]

he did though, Cawl Inferior who he gave to Guilliman

[green loom]

Ye

[tough haven]

I still think they are cool

[arctic talon]

Cawl inferior isn’t an AI

It’s a fucked up fragment of his mind

[dusk patrol]

He’s another mind yeah using a brain

[arctic talon]

Which I suppose you could call an AI

[dusk patrol]

It’s definitely an issue though

[tough haven]

I only have respect for the farsight enclaves though

[green loom]

Guilliman Inferior is something weird but I don't think any of them are straight up AI

[arctic talon]

but it’s not artificial intelligence

[autumn cypress]

ah, forgive me i am not 100% on the lore but close

[shell mason]

[arctic talon]

Guilliman inferior is really weird

[spring cairn]

If they were in a setting with a much more "peaceful" galaxy

[arctic talon]

Might have been from what Cawl did to guilliman

[spring cairn]

they wouldn't act the same

as in 40k

[arctic talon]

With the “knowledge dump” he did

[storm jungle]

They'd very much be like Covenant fans in halo

[arctic talon]

Cawl is a heretek when it comes to some stuff

[winter vessel]

Cawl is just the 40k version of James McAvoy's character in the movie, Split

[dusk patrol]

[storm jungle]

"yeah they are evil but i think plasma melting UNSC marines is neat"

[arctic talon]

But he isn’t that much of a heretek yet lol

[green loom]

Nah too much control

[arctic talon]

Cawl still really hates AI

Ignore the fact he’s arguably one

[green loom]

We see in Great Work he literally picks out bits of his personality lel

[dusk patrol]

The IH server does have a lot of quality emotes I will say

[tough haven]

And he can explain his point how he can improve humanity

And they’re not bad points

[spring cairn]

diplomacy would be easier with the tau than the covenant imo

[storm jungle]

Absolutely

lmfao

i was more using the fanbases as an example

[spring cairn]

ah i missed fans

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

I sure hope we get more Death Korps content written by Steve Lyons as well as amazing models that are super original

[dusk patrol]

The issue tbh is the end result would be the same for most

Cause diplomacy with the Tau means “join us or die”

[shell mason]

yee yee

[winter vessel]

It's kinda like an inverse. 40k Tau Empire is open to invite humanity, but are xenophobes. In Halo, the Covenant waged a genocidal crusade against humanity through the manipulation of the Prophets when they found out the truth

[dusk patrol]

But they do it nicer sometimes and more subtle

[tough haven]

People be like “tau are space communists” people fr can’t seperate the concept of a society where people are treated (somewhat) equally or are a mixed group of individuals from the concept of communism

[storm jungle]

Tau tend to push diplomacy a lot more before the "die" option comes

so theres that

[tough haven]

That’s the main part I like about them

[dusk patrol]

It’s still “diplomacy” though

[green loom]

There's just a lot more options on the "Join us" category compared to the usual "enslavement" thing

[tough haven]

They give it a try

[dusk patrol]

They’re jsut trying to get their hooks in

[spring cairn]

yeah they'll trade for years and build something before asking the question

[storm jungle]

silence Ethereal O'bama

[arctic talon]

Join us or we’ll murder you

[winter vessel]

every other faction omits the first option

[storm jungle]

Im glad diplomacy isnt like this IRL

[dusk patrol]

Covenant actually had issues with senior Sangheilis not understanding why at least some of humanity wasn’t being offered a place in the Covenant

[tough haven]

I personally appreciate the rare chad necron option of “get off my lawn before I vaporize you”

[storm jungle]

to be fair with the Covenant the prophets are literal cartoon villains

im sorry alien John Hurt but i disagree with your methods

[dusk patrol]

Best I can do is activate the galactic genocide weapon

[tough haven]

We are going to murder you, would you like:
A. Now
or
B: Later

[winter vessel]

and the hypocrisy from each of the Hierarchs' titles. Truth, Mercy, and Regret. I love it

[storm jungle]

Its so good

[green loom]

Warhammer diplomacy

[tough haven]

Fr

[tough haven]

The imperium would be much better off if they left half of the populations they fight to just chill, a lot of them would leave them alone

[storm jungle]

💀

[tough haven]

But that’s not grimdark

[tough haven]

Some of them would

Not like the major ones ofc

[spring cairn]

have you seen some of the xenos they fought

[winter vessel]

In a nutshell during this cutscene: Mercy: "Truth! help me!" Truth: "...no..." floats away on magic chair

[tough haven]

But there’s enough shit fighting you already, you don’t need to keep picking more fights

The imperium is that meme of “give me stronger battles”

[storm jungle]

Damn i wonder why we ended up with so many hostile aliens

Oh yeah we murdered all the nice ones

WHOOPS

[spring cairn]

no I mean

[tough haven]

Fr

[spring cairn]

some of them deserved it

[green loom]

Oh hey neat description on what "The Void" is

[spring cairn]

and also nothing happened

https://tenor.com/view/turkish-man-gif-14733745593859528159

[tough haven]

They could have left at least some of them alone, or at least some of the non imperium human factions

That we’re cool

[storm jungle]

BRUH MOMENT

Also yeah they genocided a ton of human populations too

[tough haven]

Yeah, some of them did

[arctic talon]

"Here's my plan to be Kell Chapter Master. Fallen Marines seem to respect violence and big capes. I'm really violent, and I found this cape."

• a tau water caste diplomat or something

[green loom]

AAAAAAA

[tough haven]

They probably could have used the Allies

[arctic talon]

idk I think the guys begging to be left alone as they got slaughtered had it coming

[storm jungle]

Im glad we dont do this IRL

[spring cairn]

if you don't finish the job you know what happen

[tough haven]

Fr

[tough haven]

I’m so glad it’s not real

[storm jungle]

[spring cairn]

one of the son of the dudes you killed makes an epic comeback and defeat you

always happen

[storm jungle]

me when i watch too much Kill Bill

[tough haven]

Maybe don’t start it then?

[spring cairn]

nah

[spring cairn]

just finish the job

simple

[tough haven]

Also maybe they’ll be like “y’know, those guys that vaporized half of us instantly and can kill planets, maybe we get as fucking far away from them as possible”

[spring cairn]

yeah but what if they don't

can't be sure

only 1 way

[tough haven]

Almost like we have things to inspire these kinds of factions in fiction

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/trollge-troll-the-day-of-reckoning-gif-19655212

[tough haven]

Please, no one post the “you can help this article by expanding it” thing

[tough haven]

I mean, you do have a point that if one comes back they would have the plot armor to kill you

But also you could just kill then when they do come back

Just get ready to finish them off

[tough haven]

Just pick B

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/elden-ring-elden-ring-dlc-messmer-messmer-the-impaler-fire-gif-11945928268279151322

[arctic talon]

18 inches of messmer the impaler

also the Hornsent deserved it

[spring cairn]

AND nothing happened

[dusk patrol]

They do sound really annoying tbh

[storm jungle]

• Eternal on the matter of native americans

[dusk patrol]

I think the least we could have done is give small pox a more dangerous sounding name

[spring cairn]

respectively sized pox

[storm jungle]

I dunno pox sounds pretty cool in 40k

necessary sacrifice

[dusk patrol]

Maybe like

Very dangerous and effective pox

Big bad understandably could wipe out a civilization pox

[storm jungle]

[spring cairn]

just call it the Death Pox

gets the message across

[tough haven]

The "makes you really sick and then kills you pox"

but the name was a trick

"ah dont worry, its just a small pox"

[tough haven]

this is what it was called in europe

[storm jungle]

Pockwalker definitely doesnt sound cool

[spring cairn]

there's also the spanish flu named so because only spaniards could transmit it

[tough haven]

https://youtu.be/HiT5BwG43eg?si=_JMenfluG_FTIVDB

[tough haven]

no because it had an interesting effect on spanish people that caused them to float

[tough haven]

entirely accurate btw, except for the "suddenly became huge assholes"

we always have been

[gray umbra]

Are the slaanesh equivalent cockwalkers

[storm jungle]

[outer wave]

They walk on cocks

And only cocks

While wearing socks

All the whilst trying to dock

Cockwalkers fuckin' rock

[queen laurel]

Dilara it's just a joke keep it together do not send a ballistic missile on his home

[crystal forum]

it's a good joke and valid question

i want to know for research

[celest dome]

Drugwalkers

Or something tied to music/sound

Or even dance

[queen laurel]

Rap walkers

[outer wave]

When nervous, the infected begin to rap

[celest dome]

Jivewalker

[winter vessel]

Cupid Shufflers

[queen laurel]

Moonwalkers

Heh

Get it

[celest dome]

If it's in relation to DT and possible factions' trash elements:
Poxwalker
Groaner
Thralls
Bleeder
Twitcher

[rose thorn]

What’s DT again…

[celest dome]

Darktide

[rose thorn]

OH DARK TIDE

Whoops

[winter vessel]

Damage Threshold

[celest dome]

It's alright Mag, you'll get there at some point

[rose thorn]

‘Death watch doesn’t have a T…’

[queen laurel]

Mag we are in the Darktide server

That shortcut has been thrown around here so much it has basically become a live grenade

How did you forget

[celest dome]

I'll be honest it's less 'unique' than VT/VT2

[queen laurel]

I mean yeah it's very simple thing

Darktide

Compared to Vermintide

[celest dome]

If they had taken Poxtide it would have been more 'unique' but would have pigeonholed the game into being Nurgle only, and remain as such

[winter vessel]

it leaves room for...alternatives

[celest dome]

Darktide ? Yes it does

[queen laurel]

Chaostide also doesn't have that much good of a ring

And so you could go with the other association with chaos darkness

[celest dome]

Aye

[winter vessel]

Or just “Tide” and you’d think the game was about the laundry detergent

[celest dome]

Tide tide

[celest dome]

Name dropped

[outer wave]

I will make you walk on the moon for that

[queen laurel]

You're too late you scientist that can't think about a cat dying i have already moonwalked the world

[outer wave]

No, that scientist was too busy fucking someone else's wife

[queen laurel]

I don't care

[outer wave]

Damn valid

[queen laurel]

Why would i sacrifice some memory space over the fact that this scientist who decided to do an experiment with a cat apparently fucked the wife of another man

[outer wave]

Because idk the fact that her husband was also fucking that first scientist's wife is kinda funny

[queen laurel]

Go back to the dan abnett room

[outer wave]

😔

Sigh Yes papa...

[queen laurel]

Call me that again and i'll add the original the boys comic into your readings

[outer wave]

Fuck

[celest dome]

Don't like it

More so that it's Haera

[outer wave]

She's looking green and retired

[celest dome]

Love her other miniature

They should have done this one as one of her sisters or cousins that Haera had tried to assassinate or something

[outer wave]

What's her other mini?

[outer wave]

Oh yeah that's cool

[queen laurel]

Wait this is supposed to be the daughter of the planetary governor right

Mr whatever his name is and now in deep sleep

[celest dome]

Yes Gerontious Helmawr

[queen laurel]

Yeah gotta admit

I did not recognize her

If her suit maybe had her colors

I would have recognized at a bit more

[outer wave]

I like the green suit but she looks well

Yeah

[celest dome]

Or had kept her helmet

[outer wave]

Yeah if she had a helmet or a mask even, that'd be cool

I like the idea of the suction cup things being present on her bald ass head but brub

Bruh*

Face doesn't look good

[celest dome]

I so want Necromunda to expand the Slave Ogryn to the same level as the Enforcers and the Nomads

[plush mason]

someone in Bricky's chat wonder what it would be like if Queen Merika and the God Emperor of Mankind where married lmao

[queen laurel]

You just had to say that when i started playing elden ring you f****** duck

I literally just finished releasing alexander

[outer wave]

I too want more ogryn lore and army concepts

[plush mason]

ofc, we ducks are agents of pure chaos

[queen laurel]

Very well then

Boyz turn him into Turducken

[arctic talon]

Marika is less evil then big E lol

[plush mason]

but every bit the shit parent

[arctic talon]

Oh def

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah wolf uh is rennala deserving of the a** beating we gave her

[arctic talon]

No

Lol

[plush mason]

which was what the chater was mainly talking about, how much worse would it have been for the kids lol

[arctic talon]

That’s why Ranni has the fake rennala setup

[arctic talon]

Way worse

[queen laurel]

I just obliterated her with like the grafted dragon with one of her family members

[plush mason]

yeah

[arctic talon]

She’s not genetically related to godrick tbf

[queen laurel]

That's why i said family member

[arctic talon]

Marika’s last words to her kids was literally alright time to have a power grab

💀

[queen laurel]

All right i just need to get my hands and the giant crusher and then i'm happy

Also the bull goat

[arctic talon]

She encouraged them to fight each other to become the next elden lord

Which is hilarious

[queen laurel]

And then a random d******with nothing but a club

[arctic talon]

I’m also 99% sure the only kid she had that she liked was Godwyn

Lol

[queen laurel]

Just decides to f*** over the world

[arctic talon]

Only if you pick ||frenzied flame or dung eaters||

[queen laurel]

I'm planning to become the elden lord just to spite the entire family tree

[arctic talon]

Also all of Marikas kids were kind of psychopaths

[queen laurel]

No good endings in this shit

May as well rule

[plush mason]

then his half sister kills his soul so she can stop being a god to be

[arctic talon]

Tbf the ||Ranni and gold mask endings are arguably good||

Assuming ||ranni isn’t worse then her mother||

[queen laurel]

The only ending where you're maiden replacement returns is the frenzied flame right

[plush mason]

thats the core of darksouls lore

[arctic talon]

Frenzied flame yes, but she’s going to kill you lol, since you ended the world

Or at least try to

[plush mason]

at best you just make the situation continue. at worse you burn everything down and end it all

[queen laurel]

Yeah i'm going to avoid that because

[arctic talon]

Frenzied flame is literally burning everything down

[queen laurel]

I like torrent

[arctic talon]

Torrent is a good boy

[queen laurel]

He was the goat for being able to deal with my dragon breath

I decided to use the stronger version so that he doesn't suffer nasal infection

Rotting breath can't be good for the lungs

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah wolf

What makes this gold thing a magic ending good

[arctic talon]

He cuts out the biggest issue with the setting Gods

Lol

[queen laurel]

You mean to tell me if by helping that weird sunflower headed weird though i can like fix a lot of the problems in the world

[arctic talon]

Goldmask’s ending can be interpreted one of 2 ways

[plush mason]

iirc that ending is literally just fixing the flaw in the elden ring thus making the golden order better

[arctic talon]

He either cements the golden order as it’s own god free of outside influence or he removes gods from the equation

[queen laurel]

Ah yes the dark ending from dark souls but a lot more golden

But i think the mortals taking over ending is a lot more better for elden ring

Considering that some of the most powerful and hell the first elden lord was mortal

[plush mason]

the erdtree literally becomes just a bigger brighter version of itself in that ending iirc

[arctic talon]

Tbf elden ring does posit what defines a god

Marika is a “god”

But she isn’t God

the fingers are “gods” but are they God lol

Or are they just incredibly powerful beings

[queen laurel]

The names are as usual weird though like finger maidens

I know from soft games are very specific with namings and stuff but like

Sometimes i am confused man

[arctic talon]

Maiden can be thought of as priestess in this context

[queen laurel]

Got to say though being called maidenless

Definitely made a lot of people realize

You come out of the tutorial cave and the first npc you meet literally calls you bitchless and you will die because of it

[arctic talon]

The implication is he killed your Finger Maiden lol

he's just being an asshole about it on purpose lmao

[queen laurel]

I really wished i killed him

[arctic talon]

Lol

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah what was his mission anyway

Why would he go out of his way to kill the maiden of a tarnish

[arctic talon]

Because he works for Mohg

[queen laurel]

Oh the allegation man

The drake of elden ring

[arctic talon]

Except mohg beat them 💀

He’s still a horrid person

Just not mohglester

[queen laurel]

Yeah he definitely beat the pounder allegations too bad i was born with the hatred of kendrick

[arctic talon]

Marika is still ultimately a flawed and mentally ill person lol

She became a god for the sake of revenge

[queen laurel]

So she drag the entirety of the world because she wanted petty revenge

[arctic talon]

Wouldn’t say petty

Tbf

[queen laurel]

Well good enough for me then

[arctic talon]

If you’re talking about the land of shadow

Then uh

The hornsent had it coming

The omens don’t though

[dusk patrol]

You did what to your maiden?!

[arctic talon]

💀

[queen laurel]

I'm just here to become a dragon and use like a giant hammer

[arctic talon]

Then do that

Marika ultimately wants revenge for her entire race almost being wiped out lol

[queen laurel]

On a scale of fucked to okay how would you rank the basic become an elden lord ending

[arctic talon]

Fine, you’re just continuing the cycle

You’ll most likely end up like Marika, maybe better, maybe worse

[queen laurel]

My character would probably build an army of dragons with cannons attached to them

So i definitely think better

[arctic talon]

Lol

I do think that Elden Ring is making a point that you shouldn’t be led by a god lol

That’s kind of a fundamental point of it

Ignoring the actual creation deity which doesn’t give a shit about the lands between or land of shadow

[queen laurel]

Isn't like the actual creator god literally left because he said f*** this s***

[arctic talon]

No

It just made the world and left

It doesn’t care about what’s going on in it

The fingers are lying about being able to communicate with it

[queen laurel]

Damn just like the father of a lot of people

It really is a creator

[arctic talon]

The pots in the lands between at least are cute

Unlike the original ones

[spring cairn]

Marika did nothing wrong

I weep for Godwynn

fuck ranni, golden order 4 ever

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah the dragons that are located on like caelid indiana are not true dragons right

[arctic talon]

Goldmask is the best option by far retrospectively

Lmao

[spring cairn]

as in endings you can do

he really is

[arctic talon]

Yes

Rannis is fine(maybe) if what she’s saying is true in that she’s just fucking off

She’s still a horrible person

[queen laurel]

And if you really commit you're going to marry her

[arctic talon]

But at least there isn’t a god trying to enforce their will on everyone(theoretically)

[queen laurel]

So good luck

[spring cairn]

fucking off is still not using the immense amount of power you just got for good so fuck that

[arctic talon]

Depends on if she’s being truthful or not with the ending dialogue

[arctic talon]

Still fixes one of the fundamental issues tbf

Just not in a good way

Goldmask is the best option

[spring cairn]

she fixes it for herself

[queen laurel]

Hey getting a guy kicked out and shooting him is still getting rid of him

Could have been handled definitely better but hey

[spring cairn]

and then leave the rest of the world to just resume as usual but without a head

[queen laurel]

A problem gone is a problem gone

I really want to get my hands on giant crusher but that's going to take a long time

Unless i bull rushed into the capital

And maybe try my luck

[arctic talon]

Marika is still a better parent then Gwyn

I think fromsoft really like writing shitty parental figures

[crystal forum]

so does the entirety of black library

[arctic talon]

Lol

Dante’s dad was a good person

[celest dome]

Gulli's Mom

Dorn's parents

[tough haven]

I’m trying to come up with a good name for a battle congregation focused around mostly electro priests, any ideas?

[celest dome]

Electrowisp Conclave

[shell mason]

Congregation 2 electric boogaloo

[celest dome]

Edison Fleet

[tough haven]

Nah fuck that guy, it better be the Tesla fleet

[young pecan]

Zapgymen

[shell mason]

ACDC

[tough haven]

How often do fulgurites and corpuscarii come together?

I know they really fucking hate each other for the most part

[shell mason]

Idk

[arctic talon]

Lorewise rarely without violence

Though they’ll work together if someone makes them

[tough haven]

Like an archmagos?

[arctic talon]

Conclave of the Motive Force

[arctic talon]

Doesn’t even need to be an Archmagos but yeah

Hell a magos could force them to get along and they would

[tough haven]

I mean they can agree on killing heretics and xenos

[arctic talon]

Or a high ranking fulgurite and corpuscarii

[arctic talon]

Yep

[shell mason]

Sounds like me and my ex

[shell mason]

This too

[arctic talon]

A reminder that the half naked blue men are the lowest rank

[misty brook]

Would a Tech-Priest who integrated Necron tech into themselves be considered tech heresy or no?

[normal light]

Yes he is a heretic, for fusing himself with Xenos tech

[storm jungle]

Anything thats not human made or is "invented" thoroughly is tech heresy.

The mechanicus is not exactly known for being tolerant

[normal light]

Tho it truly depends on Forge World

[storm jungle]

Theres rarely any forgeworld that allows tech-heresy minus rare cases like Stygies and even then its not openly.

They literally got invaded by the Deathwatch because of it lol

Admech's creed forbids it and every forgeworld obeys it to some degree.

[arctic talon]

Stygies "allows" xenarites of the Eldar variety

primarily lol

[crystal forum]

why doesn't 40k have half eldar

[rose thorn]

besides beastmen warhammer old world, aos, and 40k dotn relaly do that stuff

mixed species

oh and genestealer cults

[crystal forum]

that wont stop me from trying

[rose thorn]

also lore wise different species

dnd lore is thta humans' gimmick is they can reproduce with any other humanoid species

and idk about lotr

[arctic talon]

Do you count drukhari experiments

Otherwise no

[crystal forum]

explain

[arctic talon]

Drukhari can hybridize Eldar and Human DNA and grow hybrids

[crystal forum]

sex?

[arctic talon]

also they can turn a human -> Eldar(essentially) and an eldar ->Human(essentially)

[arctic talon]

no

tube

smh

[crystal forum]

lame

[arctic talon]

I mean

[crystal forum]

also that was not what i meant

[arctic talon]

I'm sure some drukhari probably has had sex with a human before or the otherway around

prolly not CWE

[crystal forum]

has any human become eldar in lore?