40k-lore-chat

[forest orbit]

what do you mean

[arctic talon]

their soul is still trapped inside

fun fact ig

[amber night]

i mean

[arctic talon]

lol

[forest orbit]

[amber night]

small sacrifice needs to be made ig

[forest orbit]

it doesnt

thats the joke

LOL

[amber night]

its a huge universe over a long span of time

[arctic talon]

servitors are completely unecessary realistically lol

[amber night]

i will be more weirded out if there isnt straight travesty

[arctic talon]

the only ethical servitors are vatgrown except

"free range" humans are way cheaper lol

[forest orbit]

Also things like mechanicus ships and space marine cruisers show this more with them being 90% automated

[amber night]

and isnt the premise of story is that imperium everything the Emperor envision not to be

old and decaying

[forest orbit]

Uh not really

the Emperor was also awful

[arctic talon]

Well, he would certianly hate it in its current state

[forest orbit]

only due to religion

[arctic talon]

but servitors already existied during 30k

[forest orbit]

lol

[arctic talon]

also power being so decentralized

lol

[forest orbit]

YEP

[arctic talon]

Religon is the real for him though

[forest orbit]

To like to cut it short, the only difference between 30k and 40k Imperium is they had billions more space marines, more focused military power, and no religion.

Otherwise they were just as awful.

[arctic talon]

and the fact the imperium is decaying and dying

[arctic talon]

They treated slaves slightly better

🤓

[amber night]

come on

[arctic talon]

this is commented on by Gulliman

[forest orbit]

LOL

my man tried his best

[amber night]

40k is advertised to be grimdark

[arctic talon]

regarding how menials are treated in 40k lmao

[forest orbit]

Yeah

we arent complaining

[arctic talon]

Yeah its goated

[forest orbit]

we are just making it clear

lmao

[arctic talon]

I love it lol

[amber night]

yeah

[forest orbit]

its just dark comedy

its great

[arctic talon]

my favorite faction shoved a bunch of POWs into a volcano

[forest orbit]

KEK

[arctic talon]

[amber night]

" to do good, you gotta do a little unnecessary and crude and crass travesty that is completely a shock inducer" a great man once said

[amber night]

i mean, understandable ?

[forest orbit]

Okay but like the difference is the Imperium is not doing good

thats the joke lol

[amber night]

should i say

do doing anything , or anything that is of susbtance( not good)

[arctic talon]

no, because they did it explicitly for the reason to cause morale damage lol

And they did a funny death march

[amber night]

well, i will deem that to be appropirate

[arctic talon]

[amber night]

if the mission is at hand, no cost is too great

[arctic talon]

I don't think you should throw people into volcanos smh

[amber night]

i mean

worse things has happened

i will be more surprised they didnt

so many possiblities for warcrimes

imagination is the only limitation

[arctic talon]

The thing specifically is based on the Bataan Death March lol

and its pretty explictly inspired lol

[amber night]

well so far from what i observed, 40k in hopes of creating iconic reference will somehow fit their lore into, but a bastardized verison of it

[arctic talon]

Cadian child soldiers being an option in 9e will never not be funny to me

people saying GW wouldn't have the balls to make modern white shield rules

was even funnier after that

[amber night]

sounds realistic

there is no limitation for warfare

most of times not for efficency but just out of desperations

[arctic talon]

Oh its not desperation

Whiteshields were an upgrade to conscripts lol

they'd follow orders better + shoot better + had better morale but had worse melee + couldn't be assigned comissars

[amber night]

younglings who are more fanatic in spirits but worse in capability

checks out

[arctic talon]

they had better shooting and would always recieve orders

the issue was melee which

lol

[amber night]

them

baby arms cant lift heavy ig

[arctic talon]

the most efficient way to use them was to tar pit your opponent and drown them in bodies

[amber night]

?

like throw them as projectiles?

[arctic talon]

No

you'd just charge them in

lol

[amber night]

oh

[arctic talon]

didn't matter if they didn't kill anything

[amber night]

waste of resources

[arctic talon]

bcs the enemy would have to kill 30 wounds worth of minis

it was worth it on the tabletop

in lore Whiteshields usually just get kept in the back and told to shoot

[tough haven]

its called a meatshield

[arctic talon]

Which is a stunning example of Cadian's not being pieces of shit

funny the line gets drawn at telling their kids to go out and die infront of their parents

[tough haven]

and if you think wasting 30 guardsman to slow the enemies advance a bit is a waste, then you dont know guardsman

[tough haven]

yeah lol

[amber night]

no

i am saying using the kids to waste the enemie's resources

[arctic talon]

Oh LMAO

[amber night]

save money for a family burial

[arctic talon]

I do find it funny we did get a named whiteshield

but she was 18 and just hadn't been transfered out yet

[amber night]

ok

i saw the number

[arctic talon]

best quote about them is

"Children you call them? They can pull a trigger just as well as veterans, and they have the spirit of a bull narthax. Call them children if you wish - I call them troops. Good troops."

[amber night]

I MEAN

he is outta line but he is right

[arctic talon]

oh he's correct

its just really really evil lmao

[amber night]

whatever it takes to get the job done

as they say

[arctic talon]

💀

[amber night]

put them kids to work, while i sit back with popcorns

[arctic talon]

I still can’t believe GW made a modern 40k book with child soldiers lol

[amber night]

i also heard about the abdnomations

[arctic talon]

Abominations?

[amber night]

where daemons hatch ouf of pregnant woman ?

[arctic talon]

Oh that

[amber night]

i forgot the term

[arctic talon]

Those are a failed chaos experiment

To make space marines faster

It’s like

Not even in my top 5 most fucked up things that could happen to a normal human in the setting lol

[amber night]

umm

i saw another one

[arctic talon]

Because all 5 belong to the drukhari

[amber night]

where there are human farms from ork's doing

[arctic talon]

Oh that

What about it

[amber night]

nothing, just pointing it out

[arctic talon]

Ah

[amber night]

thats not too bad ?

[arctic talon]

Yeah that one doesn’t have much lore

And compared to what the drukhari do no

Dark eldar are like

[amber night]

i know they torture for fun

[arctic talon]

Comically evil

[amber night]

for survivial

[arctic talon]

Also unlike the craftworld eldar

They aren’t suffering from population issues

[arctic talon]

They also just do it for fun

[tough haven]

My favorite part of drukhari lore is that they have to be taught to love tormenting things from birth

[amber night]

?

why ?

[tough haven]

and they dont like it originally

[arctic talon]

They aren’t inherently evil

[tough haven]

because they arent inherently evil

[arctic talon]

^

[tough haven]

which makes it worse lol

[amber night]

well

[arctic talon]

It’s a cultural

[amber night]

whats point of them doing it? to satisfy slaneesh?

[arctic talon]

To refill their souls

They hate slaanesh

Torturing people and causing terror/agony literally refills their souls

[amber night]

ummmm

sounds juicy

[arctic talon]

I guess?

Drukhari’s favorite “prey” are other eldar anyways

[amber night]

eldar on eldar

[arctic talon]

Not other drukhari, they need someone from a craftworld or an exodite

Because they aren’t normalized to drukhari torture being on the receiving end lol

And eldar feel emotions stronger then any other species

[amber night]

oh

so fresh and juicy subjects

pause

[arctic talon]

Wdym pause lol

[amber night]

haha

i dont want to get cancelled

[arctic talon]

Lol

But most drukhari are vatgrown

Naturally born drukhari children are referred to as true born

And simultaneously spoiled by their parents and horribly abused

[amber night]

?

horribly abused as in ?

[arctic talon]

Beaten, tortured, emotionally manipulated

Ect.

[amber night]

why?

[arctic talon]

Because culture, tradition, they want their child to be ready for the world

[amber night]

ohh

are true born stronger?

or just treated differently

[arctic talon]

They’re born into an elevated position just by virtue of being true born

Almost no matter where they end up they’ll be of a higher social class then any vat grown

Only once you get to the higher ranks of Kabals, Wych cults or Haemonculi covens

Does it stop mattering

[amber night]

so

just different treatment, but no difference in abiltiy ?

[arctic talon]

Their power is wealth

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Well they are way better trained

And have better equipment

Better combat drugs, Ect.

[amber night]

oh

party in those cities must go crazy

[arctic talon]

Long as you’re okay with murder and torture yeah lol

Not like most rich drukhari care about death

[arctic talon]

They have deals to have a haemonculi revive them

[amber night]

haemonculi?

[arctic talon]

Drukhari scientists/doctors

[amber night]

tech priest dark eldar edition?

[arctic talon]

Also the most evil dark eldar

Like it’s not even close

There’s a haemonculi who turned his master into sentient soup with his nervous system intact

And then served him to a bunch of other drukhari

[amber night]

neat

wait

how can they revive people?

like reanimate ?

[arctic talon]

They make a new body and drag the soul out of the warp into the new one

Standard policy is 3 days maximum

Until a revival is no longer done

[amber night]

insurance money goes crazy

[arctic talon]

They just need a single spec of flesh to make it work

[amber night]

bro

[arctic talon]

Though larger chunks are appreciated

[amber night]

sounds like a pretty good revenge ideas

[arctic talon]

Oh some drukhari have their rivals revived just to kill/torture them again

[amber night]

soul and consciouness isnt the same thing?

[arctic talon]

[amber night]

like necrons

[arctic talon]

Necrons are an exception to the rule really

[amber night]

i heard of a revenge tale where the mc farm kills, farm each generation until they reproduced

[arctic talon]

What

💀

Actually nvm I don’t want to know

[amber night]

no

so he kills them whenever they have a kid

and then kill the parents, and like the kids live , and kill the kid when they have offsprintgs

infinite kill count hack

[arctic talon]

Oh

[amber night]

yeah

pretty neat

so

the soul contains the memory and personality of the host?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[amber night]

does this apply to all races?

[arctic talon]

Everyone we know of except the Necrons because they got their souls separated from their mind

Oh also AIs I guess

[amber night]

So technically could the same for Big E?

or big e can resist it and also no vessal is suitable for his soul?

[arctic talon]

If big E lets up for a single terra is exploding into a new eye of terror

Because of the hole in the human webway project

[amber night]

damn

if you were offered to be Big E

would you do it ?

[arctic talon]

No

If I was made to be anyone in 40k I’d kill myself to save the suffering

[amber night]

jesus

that made sense tho

not even an ork?

[arctic talon]

Yes

I’d still do it

[amber night]

damn

[arctic talon]

Why bother

Life sucks, death also will suck if you have a strong soul

[amber night]

?

a treat for daemons?

[arctic talon]

Weak soul means it gets torn apart by the warp instantly

Strong soul means at best you die horribly again to daemons

Or you get tortured for all of eternity by a daemon

[amber night]

jeez

for necrons

why did ctan wanted them to convert ?

[arctic talon]

To eat their souls

[amber night]

is it to enslave them ?

[arctic talon]

And to enslave them

Yep

[amber night]

they got buffed? \

[arctic talon]

The C’tan?

Or Necrons

The answer to both is yes

The only real loss was decision making for necron warriors

And also like

Their personalities for immortals and deathmarks

Lychguard and up are where sapiance starts to be properly retained

[amber night]

no idea what are you talking about lol

can we say with definitive proof , the old ones are stronger than c tan?

[arctic talon]

Uhhh before the power boost yeah

[arctic talon]

They’re ranks of Necrons

[amber night]

ohh

and we cant say for sure the power difference between a chaos gods and old ones?

as they are in different planes, too little lore ?

[arctic talon]

The big 4 Chaos gods can’t fully manifest in real space

Hell some of the really big minor gods like the Raptor God probably can’t

A chaos god fully manifesting in real space would literally end the setting

[amber night]

i just wonder

why did the old ones or any races really didnt just to attempt to create their own chao entity

like what Big E has accomplished ,but intentionals

eldar

did it

[arctic talon]

Because big E isn’t a chaos entity

The eldar empire had their own gods that they could summon to real space at the height of their power

Before they degenerated

[amber night]

the dark king doesnt count?

[arctic talon]

The dark king doesn’t really

Never fully manifested

Even if Samus is a daemon of the dark king

The dark king never was born

Chaos gods also aren’t benevolent

[amber night]

can i interpret chaos gods arent benevolent not simply that they are evil, enjoy doing it but the representation how the " CHAOTIC" and unregulation of emotions and thoughts is determental to animated subjects in the material plane?

same way how fate is disruptive

[arctic talon]

They do infact enjoy doing it is the thing though

They are chaotic and self contradictory

But they are like evil

[amber night]

ummm

[arctic talon]

Something wrong?

[amber night]

just to be clear, there are other warp entities than just the chaos gods right?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[amber night]

got it thank you for participating in the convo, mind i add you to talk about more in the future?

[rose thorn]

Hey wasn’t there lore about Excalibur in 40k?

I might be thinking of something else

[zenith hill]

My favorite thing about the inquisition is one of the sects of belief

In the grim darkness of the future where there is only war, that sect wants MORE WAR

[winter vessel]

Yeah.

[storm jungle]

We gotta grease the gears of war with a bit of innocent blood

[shadow plover]

I doubt blood is a very good lubricant actually

[zenith hill]

Tell that to the mechanicus

[storm jungle]

🛢️

[vapid stone]

when blood coagulates it turns into a solid, and it tends to do it fairly quickly

so blood would be terrible for a lubricant

[queen laurel]

did you just say the hit game gears of war?

[storm jungle]

[thorn zenith]

I mean, the imperium as a whole seem to have a hard on for war rivalling that of orks

Which is a given when you believe everything belongs to you and everyone else is a squatter

[storm jungle]

Im glad we arent like this IRL

[stark cargo]

"Life is eternal warfare" is one of the hallmarks of fascism.

[plush mason]

^

plus the imperium has spent the past 10k years in a state of constant war

they long ago lost any reason to fight and only fight because it is all they know

[tough haven]

The machine spirit craves blood

This isn’t necessarily 40K related, but do y’all got any good inside jokes that sound/look weird from the outside?

Bonus points if it makes you look insane

[tough haven]

Oh so that’s like on gift cards or something?

[pine wedge]

well

at this point the Imperium has to keep fighting because it is also constantly under attack

but that's a situation of their own creation

(with the exceptions of existential threats like the necrons and tyranids)

[crystal forum]

didn't they lure tyranids into the galaxy

by activating some beacon

[plush mason]

blowing it up

[tough haven]

Wait really? What beacon?

[shadow plover]

Pharos

[tough haven]

I thought it was just the astronomican acting like a lighthouse

[plush mason]

iirc Horus was using the Pharos to teleport large groups of his forces so the ultramarines bleww it up

[tough haven]

Oh you mean a Pharos not the Pharos

Cause I’m fairly certain there’s several

[shadow plover]

the same planet became the homeworld for the ultramarine successor chapter of Scythes of the Emperor and was then overrun by tyranids iirc

they beelined there to nom it up

[plush mason]

said explosion drew the attention of the hivemind and the rest is history

[tough haven]

But wait, wasn’t the Pharos somewhat active still for cawl to investigate and interface with it?

Post ‘nids

[shadow plover]

not as active as it used to be but still, the same thing

there's only one Pharos

[plush mason]

it cant be used to teleport across the galaxy anymore afaik

[shadow plover]

can't really recall what happened at the end of The Great Work tbh

[tough haven]

Cawl destroyed it by removing its ctan shard

And teleporting it to a super dense sun iirc

[shadow plover]

ah right

[tough haven]

How likely are non human genestealers?

Tau are likely I’d say

[shadow plover]

they happen but haven't had any limelight in years

[tough haven]

Ynnari book with the dumb eldar GSC

Xenos GSC Is a cool concept

[shadow plover]

didn't know about that one tbh, never read the gathering storm/ynnari books

but Orks have had some but they're deemed un orky so they get smacked about pretty early

[crystal forum]

orks have their own immune system mentality

it's great to see

[queen laurel]

Even if they act the orkiest orks are so psychically attuned with one another that they can tell which one is an imposter

[outer wave]

Amogus

[crystal forum]

an ork galaxy would be the best outcome for 40k change my mind

[outer wave]

They'd fight each other until they became too dumb to make complex equipment

[crystal forum]

i believe they'd fight until one grand warboss appears

more powerful than the emperor

[outer wave]

I'm pretty sure he'd be degenerated by that point 😔

[crystal forum]

the emperor or the warboss?

[outer wave]

Yes

[crystal forum]

i wish the emperor be dead by that point

but orks only get stronger the more there are

as opposed to the shitty imperium which only gets weaker

[outer wave]

Oh yeah, but the fact that they fight each other led to their degeneration from Krork to Ork

[crystal forum]

i dont think that's ever stated

[outer wave]

I'm pretty sure it's how they devolved

[queen laurel]

No it's the fact that they lacked enemies to fight and the eldar literally used orbital bombardment

They were pretty united up to that point until they were you know obliterated and became reduced to that

[outer wave]

Interesting

[crystal forum]

they only get stronger by fighting eachother i love it

[outer wave]

I didn't know about an Eldar bombardment doing the Krorks in

[queen laurel]

It's not really just bombardment it's just that eldar basically cheat in fighting them making it you know not useful for them to evolve

[outer wave]

Okay I'm a bit confused by that last sentence; what do you mean exactly by making it not useful for them to evolve?

[tough haven]

I love it

[queen laurel]

Think of them fighting as exercising

They grow bigger because of it even though they can just you know grow normally, fighting makes the process quicker but they need a positive emotional response for the effects to apply, that's why orks that have fun in a fight output stronger WAAAAAGGHHH energy

So imagine if your opponent is a sneaky little b**** that doesn't allow you to hit them the fun way

They will not gain any benefits from that type of fight

[outer wave]

Right, so basically a cheat out by strategically nuking (metaphorically and somewhat literally) their command, which lead to the remnants to fight amongst themselves

Basically fighting without much effort

Probably why orks don't use nukes actually

[queen laurel]

Yeah the pointy ears basically use their god given cheats to just beat them in a non fun way 0

[tough haven]

Also eldar GSC can also just get sniffed out right away, necrons are right out, votaan maybe, but are probably resistant

[tough haven]

Tau tactics

[outer wave]

Necrons can get infected?

[tough haven]

Make it so fighting them just isn’t with the effort

[tough haven]

No

That’s why I said they’re right out

Just not even worth considering

[queen laurel]

Yeah that's why orks absolutely despise fighting them unless they are bad moonz which you know it's a shootout

[crystal forum]

also back then eldar were in their peak and making webway shit like it's common lasguns

[tough haven]

Are there any other potential GSC avenues?

[outer wave]

Minor xeno races

Like the ones the Dark Eldar use

Ogryns probably

[tough haven]

I gotta say I like the idea of a tau GSC infecting other races through “diplomacy”

There was a cool one in one of the ‘nid books that was tau/mechanicus

Mechanicus GSC seems cool

With the mutations + augmetics

[tough haven]

Dey do got da good dakka

The only way to maybe negotiate with orks is to make fighting unappealing, which is easier said then done

[crystal forum]

worked for peak humanity

[queen laurel]

Tell them that that guy is going to give them a good fight

It's f****** easy to do

[crystal forum]

the key word is saturation bombardment

make them land on a shitty death world by saying that a good fight is waiting for them there

blow it up

win

[gray umbra]

sounds very istvaan 3

[tough haven]

But orks are unpredictable, the tau try that in a book, and the orks say “meh, too much work, and we’ve already almost beat you gitz”

[tough haven]

Orkstivaan incident

[crystal forum]

space marines share the same stupid mentality as orks so that's no surprise

[gray umbra]

lol true

[tough haven]

Except way more boring

[queen laurel]

They're not that predictable once you figure out a pattern with another one you can apply it with another one

[dusk patrol]

Very few Orks are interested in chatting

[gray umbra]

at least orks are allowed to have fun

[queen laurel]

They are unpredictable if you don't have experience with them

And yes most of the time it is just better to shoot them

[dusk patrol]

The main thing is we’re seeing exceptional Orks

[queen laurel]

But you can figure them up

Like commander farsight

[dusk patrol]

Not the basic wagghhhhss the Imperium or anyone else crushes without much issues

[tough haven]

To be fair this was an unsanctioned water tribe effort that didn’t talk to farsight who fucking understood how Orks work

[dusk patrol]

All named Orks are generally speaking quite exceptional and way off the baseline

[crystal forum]

minus a few ten thousand guardsmen but that's pocket change for the imperium

[queen laurel]

Most of the time if you're going by basic orks it would be the blood axes that you're going to have trouble with

[dusk patrol]

Depending but sometimes not event that

[queen laurel]

Combining both brains and brawn

You're going to have a hard time trying to figure them out

[dusk patrol]

Feral Orks are very easy to deal with just hard to fully get rid of

[crystal forum]

yeah they're like a pest

armageddon still has them

[dusk patrol]

And you have to keep on top of the problem or it grows into a real issue

[queen laurel]

But armageddon gets like new batches of orks wanting to join there right

[dusk patrol]

It’s a mix of different things yeah

[queen laurel]

Like after getting turned into a battle field by ghaz

[dusk patrol]

Their feral Orks and jungles are a bit special too

It was also Ullanor so

[queen laurel]

It basically got turned into a vacation spot for Orks

[dusk patrol]

It somehow attracts Orks on a primal level

Also it’s a fucking huge world

[queen laurel]

Armageddon and ullanor okay so any other planet

[dusk patrol]

Significantly bigger than earth

[queen laurel]

Like lore are there only two so far

[dusk patrol]

I mean Armageddon is Ullanor

[queen laurel]

I thought they were different

I see

[dusk patrol]

No they’re the same planet

The renamed it and teleported it

[crystal forum]

another cheeky lore thing

[dusk patrol]

And they didn’t realize the Orks would still be drawn to it

[queen laurel]

Has to be something in the deepest part of the planet right

[dusk patrol]

Who knows

[crystal forum]

vulkan

[dusk patrol]

But something about it draws them and yeah

Also it’s got lots of scrap and resources which they like to use

[queen laurel]

So i'm guessing the imperium just like accepted it as it is and they just fight over the world

[dusk patrol]

Mostly they’re not aware

Just that the Orks go after it

There is an element too of, it’s a well prepared planet which has a very effective guard and other elements attached to it

[crystal forum]

good training for the steel legion

[dusk patrol]

So if they’re gonna fight massive Waggghhs it’s a good spot

Also it’s still a valuable world despite its many issues

[queen laurel]

They can still help the imperium even though it's literally a vacation spot of one of the most dangerous enemies around?

I'm impressed

[spark zenith]

Sigismund watching Dorn walk up to a block of stone in a parapet and slam his fist ‘his imperial fist’ right into it

Can’t get over that shit bro

[tough haven]

@queen laurel what do you think orks listen to while bashing heads in and having a good time?

[spark zenith]

‘Girls just wanna have fun’

[crystal forum]

loud engine noises (shuffled, on repeat)

[queen laurel]

Something along the lines of doom eternal or rock and roll

And heavy metal or anything loud really

[tough haven]

actually is there a metal version of this?

[crystal forum]

boom explosion noises

[tough haven]

That’s mechanicus

Or maybe Meks

[tough haven]

I just have an intense craving for 40K “orkcore” music rn

I’ve got most “official” Ork songs

I love shootas blood and teef

Can’t wait for speed freeks

[crystal forum]

it's orks

they legit love loud gun noises

and explosions

and loud engines

and screaming

oh boy they love screaming

[tough haven]

Not as much as dark eldar

[dusk patrol]

It’s worth remembering that the three wars for it were spaced out by quite a bit of time each

[tough haven]

True, mechanicus is sampling engine noises in a church and making hymnals out of it

(Guillame David)

Orks is just making engine noises

[tough haven]

I just can’t find metal that feels “Orky”

[wraith quartz]

I don't have an anecdote for today..

But mostly looking to do some "catch up" with some lore topics we haven't discussed in the past.

To any scriers available this afternoon; today's topic is of the Navy.

I do have the questions sectionalized, so (hopefully) they won't be too vague.

First question: Was the Navy created during the "Great Crusade" or before that?

[green loom]

I'd say before Technically

[vapid stone]

I've got a REALLY bad one

I'm the oldest one in my friendship group

the rest of them are 18/19

while I'm 21

so a common joke is to call me a nonce

obviously I'm not, they know that and I know that but a couple of times my friends have said it when I'm not there with other people and my friends have had to very quickly explain the joke.

[green loom]

I don't have friends

[wraith quartz]

But they grew larger in size when re-exploring the greater reaches of Space?

[arctic talon]

The imperial army and navy was created during The Great Crusade

[vapid stone]

I don't know if I get bonus points for it possibly causing me to be wrongfully arrested

[arctic talon]

as soon as the Imperium folded Saturn into its fold + got Mars to start building ships

The early Imperial Navy was primarily Saturnine's

This is also where the Solar Auxilia come from they're based on Saturnine hoplites

they're also a Saturnine thing

[wraith quartz]

Second question: Just like the Militarum, what's the pecking order of the Navy?

[arctic talon]

https://imgur.com/gallery/hierarchies-of-imperial-navy-dzBzC

[wraith quartz]

So do the admirals control one fleet or multiple at once?

[arctic talon]

Admiral is one fleet/a collection of battle groups

[dusk patrol]

Technically if you wanna be specific the navy was the Imperial Army back then

[wraith quartz]

Third question: Due to the whole "unity will lead to heresy", are the Navy also in regiments?

[dusk patrol]

It became the navy after the heresy

[dusk patrol]

They form fleets

It varies by area they patrol and guard

[wraith quartz]

Hmmm, mmmh

Sidenote: for the cream of the crop, in both Militarum and Navy. Do the Highest lords stay stationed on earth. Like the high Lord of the inquisition?

[dusk patrol]

How they’re “raised” can be very different, some captains spend their whole lives in the void on ships

[dusk patrol]

There is a naval high lord who tends to reside on Terra

Although they’d probably have their flagship there with the Battlefleet Solar

[wraith quartz]

Hmm

[dusk patrol]

And likely would also patrol Sol in general

[wraith quartz]

Hmm, mmh

[dusk patrol]

Generally admirals and captains come from naval command families

Which probably have holdings on a homeworld of their family or multiple worlds

Abelard is a good example of this

[wraith quartz]

Hold, afk

Right, I'm back.

[vapid stone]

doesn't have void master

which would be in the warrant officer category

[wraith quartz]

Fourth question: Like the Militarum, does the navy use the same method of recruitment? Like tithes, "volunteered", etc. or is there a separate process?

[arctic talon]

they pressgang people

for menials

[vapid stone]

I also don't believe that voidsmen and armsmen are a seperate rank

[arctic talon]

its a fan made thing 💀

Its the easiest thing I had on hand

[vapid stone]

fair enough

[vapid stone]

apparently there's a lot of families that say on ships

considering they're the size of a small cities

[dusk patrol]

All ships aren’t gonna have the same ranks too

[arctic talon]

yeah that also

[vapid stone]

yeah exactly

[dusk patrol]

Rogue Trader ships aren’t the norm

[arctic talon]

Ships are self repleneshing

[vapid stone]

Imperial Navy would though I'm pretty sure

[dusk patrol]

Probably I’m not certain

[wraith quartz]

Hmmm, so like the fleet ships are their own hive cities in a sense?

[vapid stone]

not quite a hive city

they're closer in size to our modern cities

larger ones maybe

[wraith quartz]

Oooh,

[vapid stone]

the ones on the larger side have populations similar to small cities

[wraith quartz]

So in a sense they've seen planets and stars, but never EVER touched the ground?

[vapid stone]

Yes, most of the residents

I remember hearing about a 40k novel about when a ship got destroyed in combat and lost most of it's functions. The ratings and slaves who worked on it just got left behind and lived on the drifting hulk for years and years.

It's gravity functioned (although I think it flipped upside down) air production all of that

reactor too

food

but it was just drifting in space full of people who had no idea where they were

pretty interesting premise

[wraith quartz]

Hmm, ok

[dusk patrol]

That’s the norm is at best the senior staff would escape

And mostly not even them

[wraith quartz]

Fifth question: Though I clearly see the picture presented in front of me. What is the full battleship classification for the Navy. Also what is the biggest known battleship and which among all the battleships is the coolest?

[dusk patrol]

Emperor class is typically the biggest for ships

Some Glorianas exist but

Mostly they belong to chapters and we don’t see them much, iirc there’s one mentioned that the Battlefleet Solar had but we don’t see it

[vapid stone]

by class, emperor and retribution

[queen laurel]

and that's largest ship the imperium can make right

[vapid stone]

by individual ship, honour of macragge

(I think that's the name)

[dusk patrol]

Phalanx is the largest

[vapid stone]

Macragge's honour

[dusk patrol]

Or Rock

[vapid stone]

Rock isn't a ship

[dusk patrol]

It is

[vapid stone]

that's a space station

[queen laurel]

They still make these?

[vapid stone]

it's built on the remain of caliban

[dusk patrol]

Both of them are ships which fly

[vapid stone]

the rock can't move

[dusk patrol]

And enter the warp by themselves

[vapid stone]

well

[dusk patrol]

Yes it can

[vapid stone]

The whole point of the rock is that it's where caliban used to be

[dusk patrol]

No it’s not

It flies around constantly

[vapid stone]

Ok I was wrong mb

sorry

I still wouldn't call it a ship

[wraith quartz]

Sidenote: which battleship can be used in space and planet atmospheric space?

[dusk patrol]

They don’t so yeah Emperor class is the largest that they make consistently

[vapid stone]

I think escourt ships can enter the atmosphere

[queen laurel]

Yeah I was starting to forget the details but at least I remembered that

[dusk patrol]

Although they probably could make bigger ones but Imperial Naval doctrine has evolved a lot

[vapid stone]

they're still about a kilometer long

[dusk patrol]

They’ve moved towards more carrier ships

With large amounts of fighters

[vapid stone]

BOOOOOOOO

fighters cringe 👎

Macro-cannon broadsides are based 👍

[wraith quartz]

Sidenote #2: all the ships can carry smaller ships (like jets and such)

[dusk patrol]

Astartes ships are more based around being tanks, getting close and boarding with torpedoes/Thunderhawks or cracking the shields and teleporting marines on.

Yes

Some much more than others but they all have hangers

[wraith quartz]

Hmmm, mmmh

[vapid stone]

also the proper aircraft they have is pretty big

[dusk patrol]

Yeah the basic fighter is about the size of an Imperator Titan

[vapid stone]

No?

[dusk patrol]

Yes

[vapid stone]

where do you get that

[dusk patrol]

Fury Interceptors are about 60ms across

They’re massive

[vapid stone]

the only thing I've found on the size of these aircraft is on the fandom (so questionable legitimacy) and says it's 40-70 meters long

which yeah is the size of imperator titans

huh

second time I've been wrong now

: (

[wraith quartz]

Question 6: So the Navy, (in blunt terms), is the "Soccer Mom" for the Militarum in terms of transportation. So what battleships can be used for Ariel bombardment (like artillery but in the air) and between the Militarum and the Navy which regiment is most compatible in terms of cohesive combat

[vapid stone]

Maybe I mixed up the height of imperators in feet and meters

[dusk patrol]

Seppuku time

[queen laurel]

so you're telling me the fighters we sent are very massive as well in battelfeet gothic

[vapid stone]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[plush mason]

someone tell that to the battlefleet gothic devs

[queen laurel]

those supposed to be tiny things

[vapid stone]

in 1 they were

[wraith quartz]

And have each other like

[vapid stone]

tried them in 2 and yeah they weren't great

[storm jungle]

Basically almost any navy ship that has enough firepower

[dusk patrol]

Yep

[vapid stone]

I love playing 2, getting the enemies' shield down and then jump dumping a fuck ton of marines on them

[plush mason]

not really, most imperial navy ships where way tankier

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/ramming-battlefleet-gothic-armada-warhammer40k-imperial-navy-attack-gif-16533820

choo choo

[plush mason]

yeah the space marine ships where fast

[vapid stone]

hitting that last ship with a ram and killing it is the best

[plush mason]

the navy ones where tanks

[vapid stone]

look at the space marine one's armour

they had lower health

[plush mason]

and in 2 the admech ships where....idfk

[vapid stone]

but stronger armour

[vapid stone]

glass cannons

[plush mason]

which per the game's balancing meant nothing sadly

[vapid stone]

Yep

You usually brought them for the nova cannons

[plush mason]

yup

[vapid stone]

navy ships look cooler anyway

[plush mason]

and the fact they could never mutiny

[vapid stone]

big up john blanche

[vapid stone]

oh yeah

because COMMISSAR, DO YOUR DUTY

bolt round size explosion

All good 👍

[queen laurel]

the funny big red button

[wraith quartz]

Sidenote: does the Navy have their own military police?

[plush mason]

yes

voidsmen at arms

enforcers but for ships

[wraith quartz]

They like commissars?

[dusk patrol]

They have commissars on navy ships separately

Generally with the captain

[vapid stone]

one of the best cinematics in the games

[plush mason]

agreed

[wraith quartz]

Oh,

[dusk patrol]

The enforcers on ships are sometimes also just calls enforcers

[vapid stone]

song feels very lore accurate

[dusk patrol]

They exist to uh, motivate the lower levels to not try anything

[plush mason]

yeah but i like the voidsmen at arms name better :P

[dusk patrol]

It do be

[vapid stone]

which do you prefer

[wraith quartz]

Sidenote #2 just to rephrase the 6th question. In terms of battle cohesion. Which Militarum regiment and Navy fleet got each other like:

[storm jungle]

well they are Men in Void, also they got arms

[storm jungle]

🫲

[storm jungle]

Not quite

the Navy personel mostly comes from nobility

[queen laurel]

how about i tear off yours

[vapid stone]

Elucidian Starstrider voids men or Imperial Navy Breacher voidsmen

[plush mason]

🫱

[storm jungle]

they are very proud and arrogant most of the time

[vapid stone]

which has the better model

[storm jungle]

They also care more about the ship than the men on the ground

[dusk patrol]

The idea is none

They’re meant to be separate entities without ties

[wraith quartz]

So like a superiority complex?

[storm jungle]

Yep

[plush mason]

they are literally just 1600s navy officers in space lol

[wraith quartz]

Hmm, mmmh

[queen laurel]

Shame that superiority complex won't save them from ork pirates

[storm jungle]

this is THE core inspiration yeah

[queen laurel]

or some daemon

[dusk patrol]

Often times officers will have their families on their ships and their kids will take over their role eventually

[storm jungle]

they even keep shit like how anyone from the lower decks cannot be seen with navy personel, and that its unheard of

same as how in the old times if a british navy captain sat and ate with the crew people would go "WHAT THE FUCK"

[plush mason]

yeah because back then the sailers where seen as sub-human

[storm jungle]

LOL

correct

[vapid stone]

which I really like

[dusk patrol]

Still are

[plush mason]

true

[vapid stone]

I'm pretty tempted to do a 40k navy landing party army

[dusk patrol]

Imagine choosing to sail the sea

[storm jungle]

Me when man-overboard

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/coast-guard-ocean-ocean-wave-gif-12213767

[wraith quartz]

Sidenote #3: can a battleship like sail on water, (like dock on a water planet or huge body of water), and be technically called an actual navy ship...

[storm jungle]

Nope

its entirely a spaceship

[queen laurel]

throw the children off less weight to deal with

[dusk patrol]

It would be a bad day for that planet and that ship

[wraith quartz]

Oh

[dusk patrol]

If they crash land it’s a huge effort if not impossible to get them out of atmosphere again

[queen laurel]

An actual aquatic Navy is a thing

It's just that naval battles aren't really explored

Like submarines and you know boats are a thing

[dusk patrol]

They’ve built in the void and in the void they remain

[wraith quartz]

Hmmm, mmmh

[storm jungle]

I do remember that one artwork from one of the RPGs where they show a naval ship and the artist literally drew it like a voidship but its just inverted because of the prow lmao

id go get it but my scenery artwork folder is too big and im lazy

[dusk patrol]

I could see it tbf, emulating the naval ships.

[storm jungle]

the artist probably thought it looked close enough

[dusk patrol]

Their design is pretty blatantly already emulating our naval warfare

[queen laurel]

To be fair warhammer space combat is literally just submarine combat but fancier

[crystal forum]

you're blatant

[wraith quartz]

Question 7: I relatively remember this from the last conversation, but during the heresy boogaloo... What caused the Imperial army as a whole to be completely split up?

[storm jungle]

Because navies belonged to crusade groups

[queen laurel]

So that they don't have an access to an army

[storm jungle]

who when going traitor also got the navy forces to join them

[crystal forum]

it was too strong. it got split up into parts that can individually be crushed if they rebell on their own

[wraith quartz]

Hmmm, mmmh

[dusk patrol]

40k authors when I tell them space is three dimensional

[wraith quartz]

Sidenote: does this "Cicatrix Maledictim" caused anything to damage the navy?

[storm jungle]

I WAS RESISTING MAKING THAT JOKE

It literally split the galaxy in half

💀

so a lot of things got caught in its way

[wraith quartz]

Oh

[storm jungle]

ports was prob one of those

but like the navy isnt crippled or anything

[crystal forum]

navy has nebulous strength

[storm jungle]

its not really strength

[queen laurel]

The random alien from like 1 billion light years away wondering why suddenly this part of their space is very wobbly and weird

[crystal forum]

authors will just pull out more ships out of their ass

[storm jungle]

its more that its a wobbly straight line

its not like it was activley targetting voidships

[storm jungle]

also this

whenever people especially ask for naval ship counts

lmao

[crystal forum]

we rarely even get consistent ship classes

[storm jungle]

We do

its not that difficult

[crystal forum]

i keep finding random ass ship classes

[storm jungle]

Yeah because theres a lot

most of them are documented

[wraith quartz]

Eighth and final question: what is the battleship classification for the Mourningstar?

[storm jungle]

Firestorm cruiser iirc

[queen laurel]

not just ships but literally anything that has a finite amount in the imperium

[crystal forum]

nerd

[queen laurel]

titans?

sure

Ships that can somehow level an entire system?

[crystal forum]

they'll always act like every loss is super bad

[queen laurel]

of course

[crystal forum]

yaaaawn

[queen laurel]

a cannon that shoots bullet that turns the entire area around it into a supernova explosion?

yeah we have that like the basement or something

[plush mason]

didnt the ultramarines only survive the first tyranid war by blowing up a battlebardge in the center of the hivefleet?

[crystal forum]

nerd

[storm jungle]

If you squint you can see it

[crystal forum]

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

dilara the ship nerd

[storm jungle]

AAAAA

[crystal forum]

uummm it's actually a sword class daedalus ass ripper

[wraith quartz]

Thanks

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

my foot is gonna rip your ass from how deep im gonna shove it in there

[queen laurel]

that's what she said?

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

she literally just said it

[wraith quartz]

That's all I have for now, thank you again

[queen laurel]

you know me just had to drop a piano on you when the chance is there

[dusk patrol]

40k authors when I tell them space is three dimensional

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

you made that joke already eternal

[storm jungle]

okay but hes right again

every book is like

OH NO

WE GOT NOWHERE TO GO

ONLY ALL DIRECTIONS

fucking morons

[queen laurel]

have they tried you know driving down like a submarine

[storm jungle]

they sometimes do

but its like rare

lmao

[queen laurel]

I'm surprised they don't try to make do creative attack routes like for example the tyranids literally went under the Milky Way

[crystal forum]

do orks have laws

[wraith quartz]

I'll catch you guys over the weekend, where I'll retaste the update again and have something big planned for later

[arctic talon]

Not really?

[queen laurel]

no

[dusk patrol]

Discord was being dumb and double posted

But it still works

[queen laurel]

rules are there given by bosses

[crystal forum]

suuuure

[arctic talon]

The rule is you get krumped

[queen laurel]

But other than that they can basically do anything they want small assets you know fun

[storm jungle]

the rule is you give me your lunch money

[queen laurel]

If you want rulebreakers storm boys would be it

For example they clean their shoes in public

[crystal forum]

i want my lawyer ork

[queen laurel]

they March in formations

They do training drills

They do planning

[arctic talon]

Rebellious yoofs

throwing away traditional orky values

smh

[storm jungle]

not to be confused with Yiff

[queen laurel]

Hey being a storm boy is sick

[plush mason]

its so tiny

ngl i can see why the frigates where classed as escort ships in battlefleet gothic

[queen laurel]

oh Dilifa do storm cast age

[arctic talon]

I am surprised 40k lacks grenades that stick on people

[queen laurel]

how long do they live

[crystal forum]

ayo?

[arctic talon]

stormcast are immortal

biologically

they do not age

[queen laurel]

ight sick

[crystal forum]

do they have women

[arctic talon]

Yes?

[crystal forum]

like custodes do

[queen laurel]

yes

[crystal forum]

women custodes

okay they're gone

i thought i'd get a reaction from that

[arctic talon]

the requirements to become a stormcast are you fought against chaos to the end

either way you get picked by sigmar and given the option to become one or not

then you get reforged

[crystal forum]

what happens to people who dont fight to the end

[arctic talon]

I mean you just die and your soul goes to shyish

[crystal forum]

is that a good place

[arctic talon]

I mean I guess?

Its all owned by Nagash lol

[crystal forum]

so better than dying in 40k

[queen laurel]

so no

[arctic talon]

all things considered

you should be fine

unless Nagash is feeling extra petty/you did something to piss him off

[crystal forum]

that's cool

[arctic talon]

Then you might get turned into a nighthaunt

[crystal forum]

in 40k everybody goes to hell when they die

gotta love grimdank

[arctic talon]

tbf

being turned into a nighthaunt is pretty horrific

[lime venture]

but what if legion of the damned?

[arctic talon]

Legion of the damned don't exist in Age of Sigmar smh

also they're pretty much just daemons imperial edition™️

[lime venture]

true my B

[arctic talon]

considering their weapons act like daemons

[dusk patrol]

Hmm, be a lot cooler if he picked the people who didn’t lose

Smh

[arctic talon]

they manifest like daemons

[queen laurel]

i mean if you are a awesome hero sigmar can also just steal you from nagash

[arctic talon]

Devotion, bravery, sacrifice, death

[lime venture]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-awesome-mario-twerking-gif-23644561

[arctic talon]

Tbf Sigmar is stealing from nagash in general

[queen laurel]

Fuck him

i too would honestly take his bones for my own use

[crystal forum]

sugmar

do orks eat rice

[arctic talon]

prolly?

idfk

[queen laurel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/TV7AWBYMJ1A?si=JHH-MVhvadwU5fGO

[queen laurel]

i mean they can

[crystal forum]

do orks eat

[queen laurel]

like they can make something like rice fungi

[crystal forum]

do they need to eat

[queen laurel]

yes

they can photosynthesize to survive longer than average but they need to eat

[crystal forum]

do they eat humans

[queen laurel]

yes

[crystal forum]

whole or do they chew

[queen laurel]

chew

[crystal forum]

does it hurt

[queen laurel]

the sound of crunching bones are fun

[queen laurel]

Even the smallest ork in a tribe would survive a hit that would cave in a human head

[shell mason]

do you believe 40k has a space marine faction?

[queen laurel]

they would chew through your bones

[dusk patrol]

What

[queen laurel]

Like it's ******* crackers

[storm jungle]

40k has 40k?

[crystal forum]

do orks need to breathe

[shell mason]

no fuck

[dusk patrol]

40k has war?

[queen laurel]

yes

They are still living organisms

[crystal forum]

so their ships are airtight?

[spring cairn]

no

[queen laurel]

yeah

[storm jungle]

yeah they are

[shell mason]

I mean, Does 40k has a space marine problem?

[dusk patrol]

Star Wars has Jedi?

[queen laurel]

Not the best but yeah

[storm jungle]

just prone to "accidents"

[storm jungle]

So and so

they are around because they sell

its like jedi with star wars

[crystal forum]

can orks believe that they can breathe in space

[storm jungle]

no

[shell mason]

the constant push of space marine content

[storm jungle]

Again, money.

[crystal forum]

why

[queen laurel]

And by accidents I mean getting the side of the ship obliterated because Bognob Dicklickka decided to fire his gun in the wrong room

[storm jungle]

thats not how ork powers work

why else lol

[crystal forum]

how does it work then

[storm jungle]

...

christ

[crystal forum]

so their guns only work when they believe in them

[storm jungle]

no

💀

[queen laurel]

think of it as bending a bar the more orks do it the more they can bend it

But it needs a medium to work off of

[shell mason]

.....fuck

[queen laurel]

for example paint

[spring cairn]

their basic instincs tells them they can't breath in space so no way they can get to beleive that as stupid as they are

[arctic talon]

Orks are reality lube

[queen laurel]

You actually need to apply paint to make your vehicle faster for example

yeah they just you know massage it a bit they don't bend it

like a gun that is very shoddily put together with somehow work

[crystal forum]

so their machinery actually works?

[queen laurel]

But a stick firing a laser isn't going to happen

[green loom]

Okay speaker

[arctic talon]

Its a really shitty gun

[storm jungle]

its the entire reason why they have Meks

[arctic talon]

but yes its a gun

[queen laurel]

yes that's why they have literal mechanics and literal doctors because they still need to do it

[dusk patrol]

That content is paying for everything else and for risky choices

[arctic talon]

Ork reality lube makes it work as a perfectly functoning gun

[crystal forum]

i thought meks only worked because waaagh energy

[storm jungle]

OH MY GOD

[queen laurel]

no a human can use ork tech

[crystal forum]

stop laughing at me

[queen laurel]

yarrick was thing man

[green loom]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/9mtdcw/book_excerptengine_of_mork_talker_the_educated_ork/

[queen laurel]

like you can literally fill in the missing pieces for the guns and it will work fine

[spring cairn]

it would fire twice before exploding but because of their psychic field it can fire 10 time instead so it works from the get go technically

[shell mason]

Then it funnels back to space marine models and books

[crystal forum]

i thought that was because orks believed he was unkillable

[storm jungle]

no

where do you learn this shit

[queen laurel]

no he just got the thing added extra parts to make it work

[misty vector]

ork guns 'shouldnt work' because theyre crude and made of scrap

[arctic talon]

Not really

[shell mason]

yo mama

[arctic talon]

Space marines fund a lot of other stuff for 40k