well hornsents aren't good or evil
#40k-lore-chat
spring cairn
they just ended on the losing side
queen laurel
From software to type to make a universe where i accidentally rizz up a god and turns out now i have to deal with their bullshit and as punishment for being unable to take care of it i am being turned into a sword
arctic talon
they just ended on the losing side
The Hornsent tbf were genocidal monsters
I don’t feel much sympathy for them
spring cairn
yeah so is everyone
arctic talon
Not really?
plush mason
the lands between is hell
arctic talon
The land of shadows is worse
spring cairn
but it's nice to know Marika didn't order the hornsents to be purged just because
arctic talon
But it didn’t actively farm an entire race just to torture and kill lol
spring cairn
she has actual motives
arctic talon
Marika just wanted revenge
spring cairn
kinda bummed the dlc is extremely linear in both ending and quests
unlike the main game
but i forgive it because the bosses are fucking awesome
except you hog rider
you can step on a 9 inch nail
queen laurel
kinda bummed the dlc is extremely linear in both ending and quests
Oh yeah lambada what do you think of karanak
spring cairn
i haven't seen anything about it except multiplayer matches
just seem like a good assasin character
queen laurel
i haven't seen anything about it except multiplayer matches
It's this two abilities that make it good at doing that
dusk patrol
Mfw the “good” ending for base bloodborne is becoming a baby squid elder god.
spring cairn
this is better at supporting demonic infantry in a blob rather than using it for the character itself tbh
queen laurel
just like real life
I don't know what kind of turkish tradition makes you into a elder god but i want in on that
queen laurel
this is better at supporting demonic infantry in a blob rather than using it for...
Yeah he doesn't have armor piercing damage he does have magic damage though
And another effect which slows down the unit he is hitting
spring cairn
Mfw the “good” ending for base bloodborne is becoming a baby squid elder god.
best ending in elden ring is you telling the gods to stfu essentially
dusk patrol
It’s ok guys, I killed the elder god fetus which crawled out of its mother corpse and clubbed me with its placenta! We’re saved!
arctic talon
Lol
spring cairn
meanwhile the world is still in utter ruins because fromsoft
queen laurel
Which from software universe is the most f***** any way
Seems all of them are equally s***
arctic talon
Which from software universe is the most f***** any way
Dark souls
The world literally ends in the future and it’s unavoidable
Lol
Elden ring the world doesn’t end unless you decide to embrace the frenzied flame
spring cairn
i mean elden ring too, have you seen the state of the general populace lol
queen laurel
Dark souls
But i'm pretty sure we can get a new one with the painter where we killed gael
spring cairn
how do you rebuild from that
arctic talon
But i'm pretty sure we can get a new one with the painter where we killed gael
That’s a new world
queen laurel
New beginnings
arctic talon
That exists within the destroyed one
queen laurel
Better stay positive
arctic talon
i mean elden ring too, have you seen the state of the general populace lol
I’d assume they don’t show any of the populace that’s still sane
Ngl
queen laurel
That exists within the destroyed one
Stay positive or i will clobber you with my fist
spring cairn
I’d assume they don’t show any of the populace that’s still sane
because there isn't
arctic talon
Lol
spring cairn
it's been thousand of years since the shattering
arctic talon
I think elden ring as a world is marginally less fucked
Then dark souls
There’s still a good bit of people who are sane in it
queen laurel
I think elden ring as a world is marginally less fucked
I had to kill a wolf that wanted to save me
spring cairn
but at least in elden ring it's implied there's more than the land betweens in the world
queen laurel
That one is depressing
spring cairn
so maybe only the land between is utterly fucked
arctic talon
Like
The perfumers and stuff in the capitol are still sane
They’re just actively opposed to you
Since you’re going to go kill morgott lol
Now granted there’s also a lot of insane people
But not everyone has completely lost it
spring cairn
when everyone looks like a malnourished ghoul i think it's gg
arctic talon
That’s another issue entirely ngl
spring cairn
everything is ranni's fault anyway
queen laurel
The perfumers and stuff in the capitol are still sane
In dark souls i killed the ultimate femboy
It's definitely more dark
arctic talon
everything is ranni's fault anyway
Marika is the one who smashed the fucking ring 💀
queen laurel
I had to fight a femboy firing lasers at me
arctic talon
Ranni just shanked her brother (with the help of Marika?) and set herself on fire
spring cairn
death of godwynn is one of the thing that pushed marika to hammer the ring
so in the end
the blame is on the smurf
the golden order has fallen, everyone must frenzied flame ending
queen laurel
read that as "everyone must be feminized"
You go back to the dan abnett room
spring cairn
miquella took it all sorry
green loom
read that as "everyone must be feminized"
Go on
spring cairn
unexpected but golgbag maneater will have his og name for tww3 apparently
spring cairn
just as gw intended
queen laurel
GOLGFAG MANEATER
So you're telling me if i capital case all of it i am free to say it
dusk patrol
I hear he’s a big smoker in England
rose thorn
Got my favorite warband aesthetically
pliant horizon
What planets in the solar system system don’t have any significance to the lore in any major way? I’m tooling to base one of my guard units out of some random solar body
Like makemake or some random moon of Uranus or something like that lol
arctic talon
What planets in the solar system system don’t have any significance to the lore ...
Neptune or Uranus
storm jungle
Also look up the 40k solar system on Lexicanum
the less sentences it has the more you get the answer to your question
arctic talon
^
spring cairn
pick Neptune and name them something clever like the Sea men
rose thorn
Where was the planet that dorn killed Alpharius
arctic talon
Pluto
pliant horizon
Ah yes, the traitor legions of slaanesh the 168th Uranus rim guard
I’ll see myself out lmao
gray umbra
Nice
raven stone
Ah yes, the traitor legions of slaanesh the 168th Uranus rim guard
I think you meant 69th regiment.
wintry scarab
How many new OSTs we get so far? Only one?
celest dome
In DT ?
wintry scarab
yeah
in this update
Or mission i guess
Oh, wait nvm. We got a new one in the mourningstar
twilit musk
I played the map a handful of times and couldn’t get it but I bet it’s on YouTube now 🏃♂️
rose thorn
i wonder waht vigilantism is like in warhammer 40k
the only one i can think of is ashwood
green loom
the only one i can think of is ashwood
And our very own judge!
tough haven
I’m actually disappointed in the new ost, it doesn’t sound industrial or mechanicus enough, it just sounds like generic electronic music
storm jungle
I wouldnt call it "generic" its very good
its just not as bombastic as the last tracks we got
tough haven
I haven’t ruled on the new Morningstar music yet
urban edge
Serious question. Are there chickens in 40k?
azure knoll
Serious question. Are there chickens in 40k?
i'd assume so
urban edge
I was just working on a chatbot on FemPerturabo and in earlier reverse-isekai version I made a greeting scenario where user brought her chicken nuggets and I kind of wanted to do the same for lore-accurate version.
urban edge
Oki then, thank you. -w-
queen laurel
Serious question. Are there chickens in 40k?
Yes probably a bit mutated
azure knoll
i wouldn't actually think so
queen laurel
It can really depend on the environment
azure knoll
sure yes
queen laurel
Who knows that chicken might have evolved to be able to throw sharp bones spikes
But most of the time i would think they are pretty much normal chickens
azure knoll
on an agri world or a medieval world, the chickens would look about the same as on earth rn
queen laurel
on an agri world or a medieval world, the chickens would look about the same as ...
Yeah but they're also a variety of environmental factors even in those worlds
So chickens would adapt into something that would resemble a chicken but isn't really a chicken
azure knoll
how do you mean?
if it looks like a chicken and is a chicken, can it also not be a chicken?
queen laurel
if it looks like a chicken and is a chicken, can it also not be a chicken?
The chicken paradox
leaden pilot
if it looks like a chicken and is a chicken, can it also not be a chicken?
Well if it evolved from a different clade and looks like a chicken, then it's not a chicken
But if it's a chicken and evolved not to look like a chicken, then it's still a chicken, cause you don't evolve out of the clade
rocky gale
Does our modern day chicken still exist?
Maybe but maybe not.
Do they have something similar which they would call a chicken?
Almost certainly.
urban edge
I was just working on a chatbot on FemPerturabo and in earlier reverse-isekai ve...
Happy.
wintry scarab
I know im screaming into the void but its really nice to see another mtx shop refresh that costs extra, yet we didnt get any skins for the new guns in the commissary. We love to see it...
Thinking about it, literally everything fatshark does that isnt the missions themselves is just so damn backwards. Frustrating.
thorn zenith
the fashion front is quite famished for the free guys indeed
wintry scarab
the fashion front is quite famished for the free guys indeed
Yup. I will never forget the biggest kick in the balls that i got from fatshark. Saw kreig skins were leaked. Thought "Finally i have something to spend my prem currency on" (because i bought the big edition of darktide) Then go into the store and see 2900. As you can guess, i was ecstatic.
thorn zenith
most of the penance stuff are ass and the free shop only really have recolours
i mean sure i get it you want the nice stuff as mtx to bait people into giving additional money
wintry scarab
I just want to be respected as a customer. And ALL of this shit they are pulling with the mtx store is anything but. And i love to customize, so shit like this really pisses me off. Ill happily spend mass amounts of money if im just treated fair, but that isnt the case.
urban edge
I know im screaming into the void but its really nice to see another mtx shop re...
I think I saw somewhere new items from files that had a 'commissary' label, but those were recolors of those late armors from hestia tracker thingy
wintry scarab
I just want to be respected as a customer. And ALL of this shit they are pulling...
E.g: Warframe. I dump money into that game over the 9 years of playing it. There have only been like 2 instances where i felt disrespected as a customer. And those have been mostly remedied. When i spend money on something, i want to spend it and then never regret it. With darktide if i ever spent any money, i sure as hell would regret it very bad just knowing that i supported such practice.
wintry scarab
I think I saw somewhere new items from files that had a 'commissary' label, but ...
Welp. I guess its better than nothing...
rose thorn
what chapter do you think consistantly has the worst successors
like worst written
oh yeah forgot da exist
green loom
Hell yeah we got enforcer gear
vapid stone
what chapter do you think consistantly has the worst successors
Percentage wise I’d say space wolves
celest dome
Do the SW have many (if any) successor ?
wintry scarab
Anyone else feel like the enforcer stuff looks off. Like the colour. In my mind i had it that the tertium ones wore like a sort of blueish grey scheme?
Oh wait, found out why i thought that.
celest dome
Palanite Enforcers in Necromunda have different looks depending on their assignments
Notably with badzone Enforcers
rose thorn
Also they are extremely over funded, like to the point they are significantly better then the planetary defense force
Ie American cops
Kinda forgot that the joke is they are basically a private military a step under the arbites
celest dome
Enforcers aren't reallly tied to the Arbites
storm jungle
Kinda forgot that the joke is they are basically a private military a step under...
Yeah they are basically Helmawr's private army
like grossly so in Necromunda as they dont even hide it lmao
storm jungle
Anyone else feel like the enforcer stuff looks off. Like the colour. In my mind ...
The necromunda scheme works for the premium store one because it looks closer to the minis thus more badass
just a dull gray drab wouldnt be as cool
celest dome
Wonder if Helmawr had a House Gang
storm jungle
He doesnt, his only standing force is the Palanite Enforcers
the other Houses' tho all got gangs of varying degrees obvs
celest dome
Yes but before
storm jungle
Their house never needed one
the other Houses got em because they are constantly competing against each other and infighting in the underhive while their nobles do what they do in the upper spires
storm jungle
Probably. Every House has one
A Spyrer is basically a necromundan noble that just has a supersuit that wants to go the underhive and kill people
we dont have one in lore but nothing stops them from having one, just more difficult because Helmawr's daughter killed like 99% of the siblings she had
queen laurel
Yeah they are basically Helmawr's private army
They can afford ogryn sized killing machines each one armed with enough weapons to wipe out a strike force
Necromunda enforcers would probably chew up a lot of other planetary enforcers like they're nothing
gray umbra
Do you think love can bloom in 40k
queen laurel
Do you think love can bloom in 40k
Of course what are you so lonely you think romance in a dark universe is impossible
Romance is possible as long as it's written well
celest dome
I wonder when we'll see the other Guilds in Necromunda.
Electro Guild coiuld be fun
gray umbra
Yrliet my beloved
storm jungle
Do you think love can bloom in 40k
If it couldnt we wouldnt have so many humans 💀
storm jungle
I wonder when we'll see the other Guilds in Necromunda.
Electro Guild coiuld be ...
As long as it fits the tabletop it will get made
Necromunda is superior for a reason
queen laurel
Electro guild
Damn i didn't know spider-man had the smoke in 40k
Next thing you know the spider guild will be hearing about this
celest dome
Electro Guild I would see their miniatures are a cross between Admech stuff and the Orks Mech boys
queen laurel
Oh yeah speaking of
celest dome
Servitors with giant brass mourningstar crackling with electricity
queen laurel
What was the claw that look like a power claw in the rumor engine again
celest dome
And a leader that has a tesla coil gun
queen laurel
What was that for
celest dome
?
queen laurel
This thing
celest dome
You know how DT inspired the board game and card game
Wouldn't it be grand if it inspired Necromunda to do special Enforcer units for the Zealot, Ogryn and Psyker ?
wintry scarab
The necromunda scheme works for the premium store one because it looks closer to...
Well thats just personal preference. I see the yellow one as the less badass one.
Also, ive seen ppl say that the Space Marine 2 Seasonpass will only be a cosmetic thing. Is this true? If so, thats kinda going to suck imo.
storm jungle
Well thats just personal preference. I see the yellow one as the less badass one...
Beats me, people seem to love it
shell mason
Who here likes the Night lords?
crystal forum
you first need to find somebody who cares about them
shell mason
WHERES POLLS
gray umbra
The night who?
celest dome
Night Lord 🎶
Figher of the Day Lord 🎶
rose thorn
Night Lord 🎶
Figher of the Day Lord 🎶
Five nights at nightlords…
queen laurel
Five nights at nightlords…
celest dome
Konrade Curzes legion
We don't believe in Batman larpers
Bats don't exist
shell mason
gay
dusk patrol
Who here likes the Night lords?
They got a good look
I also enjoy aspect of their lore and their scrappiness and all that
They’re assholes and cowards and that can be fun
stark cargo
Who here likes the Night lords?
Nice colour scheme. And the trilogy is a good read.
They feel a bit flat, even for a SM legion.
winter vessel
Who here likes the Night lords?
my 2nd favorite Chaos Astartes. just behind Iron Warriors
shell mason
Nice
viral halo
They’re almost as cool as the word bearers
winter vessel
I've always been a fan of the hardcore and brutal militaristic style of the Iron Warriors, and the Hazard stripes are a neat touch
viral halo
Night lords are cool insofar as they genuinely seem lost
Cursed to wander forever just fucking things up to fuck things up
winter vessel
yeah, and the Alpha Legion just confer to a giant spin wheel with each slice titled "Heretical" or "Loyal" for the day whenever they decide to do something.
storm jungle
Do I really care if it’s real or not? No, I don’t
Me @ my imaginary friends
vapid stone
green loom
storm jungle
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/s/gkGTlhN3dd
Matt Ward being based as ever
arctic talon
Where’s the inefficiency and factionalism of democracy smh
tough haven
Me @ my imaginary friends
I don’t really care if a story is real as long as the falsehood isn’t harmful, as long as it’s entertaining
arctic talon
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/s/gkGTlhN3dd
Also goated tbh
shell mason
Where’s the inefficiency and factionalism of democracy smh
Whats not to love
arctic talon
The IoM takes the worst parts of most governmental systems
And shoves them together
storm jungle
I don’t really care if a story is real as long as the falsehood isn’t harmful, a...
I meant more that Im a sociopath and talk to people that dont exist
green loom
Matt Ward being based as ever
Surprised he's an avid souls fan
Also canon psyker skin????(for the french one)
shell mason
brother wat
green loom
Zork!
storm jungle
my favorite toy story character
shell mason
that actually true?
storm jungle
Yeah it is
remember these all get approved by GW before being added to the game lmao
shell mason
ight cash
tough haven
I meant more that Im a sociopath and talk to people that dont exist
Have fun with that
Remember, command hallucinations are a psychiatric emergency!
storm jungle
vapid stone
vapid stone
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fantasy/s/gkGTlhN3dd
oh no
green loom
That's new
green loom
Okay I think Swagger is a direct agent of Grendyl
marsh lily
some people think he is a genestealer
green loom
Brahms is threatening Masozi
crystal forum
i just want to use this moment to show my appreciation for autopistols
underrated yet awesome
completely nonsensical yet also perfectly fitting for the setting
gray umbra
Why is it nonsensical
storm jungle
Im assuming "sci-fi having bullet-based guns"?
storm jungle
NOBODY HATES THEM
crystal forum
stub pistols are good but autopistols fill the void in my heart left by my crippling addiction to firearms
gray umbra
Nothing wrong with a full auto shitcannon
crystal forum
the funny thing about 40k weapons looking so chunky is that an autopistol would actually work the way they're represented in the setting
in real life they're dog shit specifically because pistols are too light to handle the recoil
i love the irony if that's what you can call it
tough haven
some people think he is a genestealer
Darktide fans when they see a new character (it could be a genestealer)
I guess they do say a suspicious mind is a healthy mind
But isn’t wide scale paranoia that hampers normal activity what they want?
snow fern
Machine pistols are weird
crystal forum
that's what makes them cool
weird firearms are the best
one of the first mass produced widely adopted self loading pistols even had several fully automatic versions
the C96 is so fucking cool
the automatic versions were popular in china especially
the common way to use it was to angle it sideways then shoot and let it fill the whole room with bullets by itself 
autopistols are fucking awesome
amber night
i know this is random, but i am a new 40k fan trying to get into the universe, looking for people to discuss and learn about the lore. my favorite faction are the orks.
outer wave
Yuhhh orks are pre fly, but they will never compare for me to ogres
Or I guess Ogryn in 40k
amber night
well ork's body, my mind
i could start doing social engineering like ghazksull is doing
an infinite self-reinforcing feedback loop
outer wave
Ghaz does social engineering?
amber night
i mean
not intentional i guess
his self-manifested destiny , and reorganizing the orks for galaxy-wide warfare counts as an form of social engineering . no ?
outer wave
I guess it does in some way? Though its mostly through coersion of other warbosses
And a bit of luck plus show of force
amber night
i mean
he is not just making bs and gathering warband
he is teaching patience, cunningness, diplomat, showing them the concept of future, team work
pretty huge
he also has humility, which is pretty insane
outer wave
Patience
They're goffs, with perhaps some blood axes, but still his WAAAGH IIRC is comprised of goffs, who are probably the least patient
brisk agate
Kinndaa
amber night
i mean almost everything about the orks are perfect
to my innergym bro that is
bigger=stronger=faster=smarter=more people following you, maybe the smell too
outer wave
i would like to see more wrap-related stuff with orks
Orks are typically adverse to any other boy/gretchin/snotling/squig that behaves "Un-orky" or "Not proppa", so chaos affiliated orks would be quickly snuffed out
This is similar to genestealer-infected orks
amber night
yeha
about to comment on the genestealer part
didnt they butcher a clan because they were too cunning and calculating ?
outer wave
So it'd have to be a big BIG exception to the rule to see a warband of Chaos/Genestealer orks
I dont recall that personally, but I do know that Blood Axes, the most cunning/diplomatic/calculating of all Klans, are typically seen as shifty and unorky by the others
So that could easily happen if one warboss says one day "I dont like 'em"
amber night
pretty sure there were an " ethnical cleansing" to one of the clans
outer wave
I would not be surprised
These are orks we're talking about
They'll find an excuse to fight anything
amber night
i mean
if ghazksull is smart
he should and he is implementing controlled chaos
there should be always be conflict, competition and wars
he should be "farming" "compaigns"
outer wave
No, because if they do, suddenly the whole warband of his is chanting about a completely different god, and he is supposed to be the Prophet of Gork and Mork
Chaos corrupts and is therefore uncontrollable
And I dont think he's interested in social experiments like that
amber night
i guess ,since the chaos is a particular factions. i mean to say he should always have turmoil going on ( controlled chaos)
outer wave
Oh yeah, he's trying to lead the biggest WAAAGH of all so of course
amber night
it helps regulate the orks
recruiting for more, daily xp in a way, and made them more tolerable of "less orky stuff"
i wonder what kind of beautiful things can happen, if ghazskull could employ fabius bile to enhance his own body and his soldiers
could orks be subjected to the obliterator virus?
outer wave
Now I dont know much of Fabius in terms of how he feels about Xenos, but if I had to assume, he's not fond of them, and probably would rather kill them than use them for experiments
Not that he's against using xeno tech (least according to the wiki Im looking at right now) but uh Ork tech isnt something you can use really
outer wave
could orks be subjected to the obliterator virus?
Depends on whether or not GW wants models for that
I dont see why it couldnt happen as orks arent chaos resistant but I really havent seen any sort of example (outside of them getting killed from earlier) of them getting corrupted for being on a daemon world
I mean, we got Daemon Hunta Tuska who, while is being revived over and over by Khorne, isnt ever corrupted
amber night
i mean
they dont think they understand the concepts of chaos in the first place
and maybe some fuckery with their genetics from the old ones?
outer wave
Its possible that the gestalt field protects them
amber night
in my limited opinion, i believe chaos relys on the subjects being reactive( easy to be influenced and change to various stimulti), individuality( each subjects has their unique flavors), fragility( the level of resistent to conversion and outside influences)
orks doenst really fit that bill
plus, i dont think gw care enough of the orks, to a chaos model of it
outer wave
Well there isnt any demand for chaos orks, especially when its been established most if not all get killed on the spot by everyone else
amber night
are ghakzsull gonna fight angron any time soon ?
storm jungle
Why would he
amber night
pay back for killing yorick?
outer wave
in my limited opinion, i believe chaos relys on the subjects being reactive( eas...
Also consider the fact that most if not all civvies in hive cities arent taught of Chaos as a concept, so when they hear from their friend about a cool god that'll give you strength, they're kinda confused but also wow'd and then suddenly, you're drinking blood from skulls
forest orbit
Do not learn your lore from grimdank
storm jungle
☝️
amber night
yeah, i think i need to finish the book " prophet of the Waaagh!"
forest orbit
For context Ghaz simple sees Yarrick as a good enemy
they arent friends, he wouldnt care much if hes dead, at best go "ah thats a shame, anyway"
outer wave
they arent friends, he wouldnt care much if hes dead, at best go "ah thats a sha...
Nah, he'd go "My love, noooooooooo!!!" and kiss him with his dying breath
amber night
whats ghaz's current power level?
i saw that he just dogged on some space wolf marines
forest orbit
thats just plot armor at work
outer wave
whats ghaz's current power level?
Uhhh closing in on the power level of The Beast from 30k
amber night
Uhhh closing in on the power level of The Beast from 30k
which is somewhat primarch level ?
forest orbit
Close and above in some aspects
outer wave
Yeah what Templar says
forest orbit
the War of the Beast was weird 💀
outer wave
The Beast are the closest we've gotten to Krorks in current setting
Which, if you dont know, are the orks before they devolved into what they are now
forest orbit
Yeah vulkan had to tackle it into a reactor and explode with it to kill it too
forest orbit
theres no "prime ork" its just Orks
outer wave
No, least not at the moment; Krorks was them at their prime
They keep killing each other which devolves them
amber night
are there canon examples of kork's feat and ability ?
outer wave
They were kinda high tech IIRC?
amber night
i just know that there is one stach away in Trazyn's musuem
forest orbit
thats where the armor thing comes from ye
they basically got no lore aside from that
and just "fought in galactic-war-thingy"
amber night
....
was the emperor faking when he was fighting the ork when he was reclaiming terra with horus?
forest orbit
Nope.
The author actually confirmed it
he did actually almost get bodied
which is very funny lmao
forest orbit
its on like a decade old twitter thread but its out there and i aint going in to dig it
amber night
jeez
so i can assume they are stronger than the beast?
becuase the beast still got put away with vulkan
forest orbit
well it got tackled into a reactor
thats not really winning a fight
the Beast was the toppest Ork in the lore, the issue is the War of the Beast also has goofy comic-book tier writing so its a bit hard to compare power levels
amber night
i mean, that still should be indication that vulkan has enough power to dictate the battle in mutual defeats
forest orbit
Well yeah hes a massive armored dude lol
amber night
i dont think that equates or suggesting they are stronger than a ork oneshotting the space jesus
forest orbit
the Beast was *the* toppest Ork in the lore, the issue is the War of the Beast a...
^
amber night
power scaling is weird
forest orbit
It depends on whos the protagonist at the time
amber night
didnt peter turbo got bodied by morty ?
amber night
yeah
i dont think that equates to peter turbo being weaker
i just think the type of warfare its more suitable for morty
considering infinite sustain and constant dmg, all that stuff
forest orbit
It doesnt tbh
Primarchs are all mostly equal
and again, plot
Morty isnt gonna lose in the Death Guard codex
that would not be good marketing lmao
forest orbit
Basically
amber night
bruh ..
forest orbit
GW has two ways of dispensing lore
- One is through rulebooks and codexes, which they either have very long-time authors thats been with em write or from their own in-studio staff
- The other is the Black Library side-firm who sells all warhammer universe/IP books, those are just freelance writers who are deemed "capable" enough and can just mostly write whatever
They need to make a pitch thats acceptable
then if they get enough pull write the thing that got accepted
amber night
,,,,,,,,,,, fuck powerscaling, and continuity thne
forest orbit
Its been around for 30 years, its doing it right
amber night
at the end of day, its a business of selling models
forest orbit
well yeah but thats why every faction has homebrew potential and it takes place in the entire Milky Way galaxy, you can just not care about the main plot and do your own thing
its a setting, not a story
amber night
good point
everything is contempoary
since a grand conclusion or a total victory of one factions means no more model sales
or new models
forest orbit
Pretty much. Nobody can win or fans get mad and money dries up lol
amber night
pain
forest orbit
it works so
amber night
well
then the debates about what could have happen during horus heresy
*preventation is meaningless
because like the models exists, so they gonna find a way to let the space marines legions and primarchs be corrupted
forest orbit
Well yeah its a prequel
30k definitely suffers from making the characters dumb "so the plot can happen" a lot but people eat it up so its doing something right lol
amber night
if thats the case, why not bring most of primarchs back?
it sells more models, and they can upped the price for the primarch models
forest orbit
because the setting is not really about primarchs
and they are slowly coming back anyway
forest orbit
it sells more models, and they can upped the price for the primarch models
its better to tease it out and do eventual releases then blow it in one load
amber night
is there sighting of the khan and vulkan?
forest orbit
is there sighting of the khan and vulkan?
nah
amber night
damn
is it safe to assume ferrus manus, sanguinius, horus, Konrad, dorn will not be making a return?
forest orbit
We dont know lol
money is money
I dont care about primarchs and got better things to do so i dont care either way
amber night
necrons?
amber night
did a necron took a hand from one of chapter masters?
amber night
yeah i saw in a short, where he won and he cut off his hand, then dip after kicking helbrecht into the ocean
then helbrecht dismantle imotekh's ship out of spite
forest orbit
Pretty much.
Imotekh does the hand-cutting thing to opponents he considers worthy and also to make them mald
which in this case worked to full effect
forest orbit
its just a robotic arm
amber night
but this is 40k
forest orbit
its not that big of a deal
amber night
you think he will get stronger due to this?
forest orbit
Not really
this event is like a decade old
its just flavor text
it doesnt matter much, its just there for "cool thing to read while going through codex"
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They dont use psykers/anything psychic
amber night
they are as uptight about psykers as space wolves?
forest orbit
space wolves arent uptight about psykers
but templars use everything pretty much
flamers, boltguns, swords, etc
amber night
does their zealousnees hinder their combat ability or siege?
forest orbit
Depends on the story and marine group
every black templar crusade fleet has their own thing going on
some are braindead tier zealots while some use actual tactics and whatnot
We had one fleet that murdered their entire primaris reinforcements
and the custodians with them
KEK
amber night
they are the biggest space marine chapters of dorn's legion right?
forest orbit
Yes. Their numbers are uncounted but big
amber night
We had one fleet that murdered their entire primaris reinforcements
they can kill custodes?
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they can kill custodes?
Said custodians killed like almost everyone in their fleet before finally dying, they had like a dozen survivors left lol
amber night
,,,
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what
amber night
so they were impaired ?
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impaired?
amber night
were the custodians at full strength( no debuffs) before killing everyone and dying ?
amber night
still dead
amber night
but isnt the power scaling for space marines to custodians, are like guardsmen to space marines? in that case ,they shouldnt suffer total causalities ?
snow fern
Bolters hurt a lot
forest orbit
Numbers can overcome stronger enemies
its like a scorpion over an ants nest
and again the entire event was basically a disaster
because that crusade fleet were complete morons lol
amber night
are there any serious consequences the templars suffer after this?
forest orbit
The incident gets swept under the rug because it was just 1 custodian dead
and they got bigger fish to fry
they just tell the officials they died on duty lol
forest orbit
Its not a big deal
the Imperium is literally split in half
they got better shit to do
amber night
oh yeah
speaking of that
what state is the imperium in after cadia falls?
just totally fucked?
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It was already fucked
but now its more totally fucked
its split in half with one half of the galaxy having no astronomican getting to its planets to even know whats happening
the other which is on the side of Terra is a bit more "concentrated" but the entire galaxy is pretty much in upheaval
amber night
are they destined for total extinction unless for some " divine intervention" ?
or they are near that point but not completely ?
forest orbit
The Imperium is basically stuck in the limbo of always fighting a losing/winning battle because we gotta sell minis
but like its always been a dysfunctional nightmare state
so its nothing exactly new, just more daemons lol
amber night
looks pretty even
obviously like you said imperium will always exist due to profit, but from a lore standpoint, are humanity at the threats of imminent extinctions unless plot amour? or they are super fucked but can still survive for the foreseeable future?
forest orbit
Its just both tbh.
Humanity is too spread out to completely eradicate
but the Imperium is barely united as it is
its not even an "empire", its more just everyone agreeing to be under a single umbrella and worshipping the big golden man
and like its not that big of a deal since the Imperium is awful which is the black comedy of the entire situation since the beginning lol
forest orbit
They do whatever sells minis so we dont know
Its either imperium related or just some side-even that doesnt involve them
40k is big, the Imperium are the posterboys but this setting isnt really just about them either
amber night
got it, drawing conclusion is pointless due the vast scale of the universe, and there is nothing that be used as evidence to predict
forest orbit
pretty much
for example during the first few years of the great rift opening in lore GW did a big narrative thing called the Psychic Awakening where most factions got some sort of tabletop scenario event rulebook release with new lore of what that particular faction in it was doing at the time
and it was mostly disliked because it was just cringe both in the rules and lore department
thats just one example
lol
amber night
i assuming imperium-related minis are the highest grossing product right?
forest orbit
Close, space marines are
amber night
you are not bother by this?
forest orbit
other imperial factions are so-and-so
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you are not bother by this?
Ive been using an iphone thats like a few years out of date and isnt one of the new ones yet billions of people line up to always get a new version of it.
same applies here, people like basic generic stuff
amber night
yeah, its the name of the game
forest orbit
it doesnt matter, you arent losing as long as you dont buy minis
amber night
do you think
with the popularity of digital media and the physical copy losing tractions, GW will focus more on digitial adapatiosn and therefore altering their lore a bit
becuase i imagine digital media( comic, books, notability games and tvshows) are quite profitable
forest orbit
GW make more money than the entire UK fishing industry and have made record sales this year down to opening another new factory for their minis
people play 40k for the tabletop
the lore-nerds like us are secondary or even third-place
they will always have physical products in first place
amber night
but i will imagine with the advancmeent of technology, the trend will shift
forest orbit
We really got no way of knowing it.
GW got a monopoly on miniatures on the tabletop market
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amber night
its funny because it is true
forest orbit
alas lol
amber night
i mean arent physical store sells are going down , and digital platforms are racking up sales?
like amazon, or whatever other digital retailers
forest orbit
Not really i dont think. GW makes an immense amoutn of money from minis either way.
Tabletop is a strange market but it hasnt failed them at all yet
forest orbit
well yeah and now its all about them miniatures
amber night
that is coming out
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thoughts on sm2?
Looks cool, i pre-ordered the basic version though because im not gonna cave in to that premium slop editions 💀
i assume it will be fun for a few months then ill get bored, gonna savor it until that happens since it looks like mostly eyecandy
amber night
its a beat them game
with good settings and asethetic so
yeah
not much playablity unless with friends and fads
forest orbit
exactly that yeah
amber night
how do people feel about female custodes?
forest orbit
and i got like 1 friend thats buying it so
amber night
and i got like 1 friend thats buying it so <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
i might buy it, actually i will buy it just depends on when
forest orbit
how do people feel about female custodes?
Custodes are the side-faction of side-factions and its probably the most harmless and good addition they could have gotten as there was no lore presedence for them not taking women as initiates before.
amber night
female models?
forest orbit
The people that got mad about it basically dont touch grass lol
amber night
i mean
amber night
i will get " lotion " ready
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amber night
- the
arctic talon
ironically female custodes are a case of the modeling team working faster then the lore team in 7e
Since the minis were done
before the lore team was done
forest orbit
^
arctic talon
and the lore team wanted female stodes + male stodes
forest orbit
we were gonna get em even earlier yeah, it just didnt line up
amber night
i mean, with all due respect, tall muscular female models does make " my juices flowing"
arctic talon
GW's twitter post however had the subtlety of a nuclear bomb lol
amber night
say less
arctic talon
amber night
bruh
arctic talon
Either way Custodes had like 0 lore till GW redid their lore in 7e
Its kind of hilarious
amber night
imagine the rule 34
arctic talon
chill smh
forest orbit
me when women 💀
arctic talon
LOL
forest orbit
instant money debt 💀
amber night
did the tyberos got recan as a regular sm ?
forest orbit
tyberos had a FW model iirc
arctic talon
Tyberos still only has his FW mini
amber night
what does FW model , and iirc means?
arctic talon
Forgeworld means its made out of Resin
and Forgeworld means the quality is very
inconsistent
forest orbit
iirc = if i recall correctly
and yeah FW is basically a side-department of GW that made minis for their side-content/settings and shit
it... largely isnt great
amber night
ohhh
forest orbit
and yeah its not too bad
amber night
he is still thicc af right?
arctic talon
But Tyberos is old
amber night
pause
arctic talon
He's like primaris sized
as a firstborn tbf
He's pretty big lol
terminator armor just makes him bigger but not to the size of that one piece of fanart
forest orbit
19 inches of tyberos 💀
amber night
i heard terminator armours were meant to be farming equipment during the dark age
arctic talon
really early paterns are based on reactor maintenance equipment and mining gear
forest orbit
basically terminator armor was inspired and had some parts yoinked from armor that was used to repair fusion/plasma reactors
and yeah "based"
its not an exact copy
arctic talon
all the terminator armor we have minis of
aren't like
reusing reactor maintenance equipment
forest orbit
yeah we are talking about the earlier iterations, then they just spread and got reverse engineered for more variants etc
forest orbit
No lmao
arctic talon
no
Tactical dreadnought armor == terminator armor
which got mutated by memes into dreadnought armor
forest orbit
Hes just primaris sized in terminator armor, which is just a few inches above a normal marine
arctic talon
tbf he's got like a good feet on some marines lol
forest orbit
and yeah the confusion is more from that GW slapped "dreadnaught" in terminator armor too because dreadnaught is a cool word
which like, i get it
but like come on man lol
arctic talon
Tactical dreadnaught armor refers to terminator armor
while we have dreadnaughts as their own thing
forest orbit
yeah its just there because "cool word"
they didnt relaise it would get confusing later
classic lol
amber night
umm
arctic talon
but yeah this is his mini
amber night
with such a long time and so vast of universe, inconsistenty and recan is guaranteed
amber night
.....
amber night
i have much to learn
forest orbit
you do lmao
forest orbit
^
amber night
this is a side track, are dark age more advanced than golden age?
arctic talon
prolly the most retcon'd piece of lore in existance
forest orbit
humanity spread into the stars post where we are now in history
and just... formed their own groups
did whatever they wanted
making paradise worlds
genetic experimentations
waging small tiny wars
they had all sorts of crazy tech and AI
the items they left behind are called STCs, standard template constructs
and are literally just mcguffins
arctic talon
standard template constructors are a 3d printer that can make almost whatever you want
forest orbit
give it some random advanced purpose
arctic talon
they're like the Imperiums golden goose
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boom you got your book goal
arctic talon
standard template constructs could just be like
outer wave
"Bro, sorry, but I think I contracted an STC..."
arctic talon
a really really nice knife
outer wave
Actually, an STC thats just within the genetic code of a populace could be cool
forest orbit
yeah see what I mean?
STCs is just "mcguffin for plot"
its pretty smart of the writers
lol
amber night
can peter turbo technically reverse engineer it ?
forest orbit
Uhhh depends
forest orbit
yeah it would need to be like some small device or something
Like lets say he found a sword that can cut through anything some Dark Age warrior used
he could just staple it to himself
but if its something more advanced
like a fucking super AI box-thing
he'd probably get atomized
lol
arctic talon
me when the standard template constructor prints me a nuclear bomb after I try to reverse engineer it
forest orbit
me when the standard template constructor prints me a nuclear bomb after I try t...
live footage of said scene 💀
but also
Highly suggest watching this
and this
Ian is a great 40k youtuber to get attached to if you want a normal guy just talking about the setting
he makes no drama
no lousy jokes
just explains the lore and clears up confusion
AND tries to keep the vids simple and short, at max maybe 20m
forest orbit
💀
but yeah he has great intro content for newcomers like you
and isnt a biased prick about it unlike some other content creators
amber night
that seems to be the trend
liek i said, i am mostly intrigued by orks lore
seeing the artwork just makes my day
forest orbit
You need to know the basics first
amber night
the settings and the context?
forest orbit
otherwise you will get extremely confused whos doing what
forest orbit
the settings and the context?
yep
just watch those 2 vids and go from there
Also always use the lexicanum
its one of the fanmade wikis that actually explains shit well
tough haven
personally for 40k youtubers, ive been liking KrakDuk lately
just simple and to the point
with little silly scrawlings
voice is a little deadpan though
forest orbit
They lean too much into memes for me
tough haven
At least they usually say if they're doing a meme
also they have a whole video clearing up meme misconceptions
forest orbit
lol thats good
tough haven
(and coming up with stupider ones that are lore accurate)
forest orbit
the primarch pit 😔
amber night
l am more curious about the fact that why the lore created two primarchs just to made them disappear
amber night
seems counterintuitive
arctic talon
Its just a reference to roman legions, those primarchs pretty much have never had lore
the most lore they got was in Horus Heresy when we got an order of primarchs discovered
forest orbit
seems counterintuitive
my brother in christ
we got 18 primarchs
they dilute the setting as is, who cares if 2 are missing
lol
amber night
yeah, i get that part, i just more curious to why tho
arctic talon
Its a roman legion refrence
forest orbit
history reference
arctic talon
thats about it
outer wave
Mysterious oooh
forest orbit
Primarchs are also not a good place to start lore for this exact reason lmao
arctic talon
2nd or 11th primarch was the 3rd primarch discovered and the 2nd or 11th primarch was the second to last primarch discovered lol
but thats the most lore they've ever gotten
lmao
forest orbit
the lexicanum has an entire list of every mention they get
its legit like a conspiracy pinboard its hilarious
amber night
obviously Big E is a monumental figure, but we probably never will get the full truth of his origin as it is one of main selling points and attractions?
forest orbit
obviously Big E is a monumental figure, but we probably never will get the full ...
And not really
his origin isnt a setting-wide important thing
and its not a selling point
hes just a warlord clad in gold that thinks he knows everything
forest orbit
Shaman King Moment
arctic talon
either way I'd rather them just not elaborate
I'm into 40k because its a horrific setting where everyone is
very evil at best
forest orbit
Its easy to defend the Emperor when your planet isnt the one being put to the torch by space marines
then again ive seen people that defend servitors
so i dont wanna even know more beyond that shit
💀
arctic talon
then again ive seen people that defend servitors
Compliance
forest orbit
KEK
Also i love how the darktide servitors in the moruning star are based on the upper two heads
i feel so autistic even spotting this 💀
arctic talon
I think its hilarious there's a random blood angel librarian who really really doesn't like servitors
and he like winces whenever he sees one lol
forest orbit
I cant blame him tbh
most just accept servitors as is because "its just what it is"
which is great and horrible
lmao
forest orbit
do you know what a servitor is
amber night
um
forest orbit
amber night
i mean