40k-lore-chat

[dusk patrol]

I honestly don’t envy the judges a lot of times cause I always feel bad when some are insanely good

[azure knoll]

it can't be it'd be mirrored

[arctic talon]

the bottom one is a custom sculpt copying the top guy

[azure knoll]

like turned the wrong way

[arctic talon]

without the head and stuff

I know the tree + the top guy is from an actual GW kit

I just don't know which one lol

[dusk patrol]

I think it’s a custom sculpt which is copying the top

[azure knoll]

yeah that's what i mean

cuz if this was just 2 minis glued to one another then the bottom guy would be facing the wrong way

[dusk patrol]

Also sometimes the photos don’t do them justice

[azure knoll]

but the head and arms being invisible is just such a nice touch

[dusk patrol]

Which is a shame for some

White background isn’t good for all of them

[azure knoll]

the competition founders really missed the mark not naming the competition golden daemon

[storm jungle]

I almost said its because GW has the word copyrighted

but daemon is an actual old-timey word

so like lol

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/house-of-the-dragon-daemon-targaryen-matt-smith-terrible-thing-im-positively-bereft-gif-26935921

also Daemon mentioned

[dusk patrol]

My favorite toxic king

The worst person I love to watch and am rooting for always

[plush mason]

i still wonder if GW knew about the difference between demons and daemons when they opted to use the name

[dusk patrol]

Daemons looks cooler

That’s where it begins and ends

[plush mason]

true

[storm jungle]

Yeah basically that

its also because its archaic

if Targaryen names taught me anything any word or name with "ae" in it sounds cool

[dusk patrol]

If you spell something wrong or stupid it makes it sci fi

Or just phonetically

[wraith quartz]

Hey, very big question I have.

[outer wave]

Shoot

[wraith quartz]

Should I... Should I... Should I stay up late to play the new map; even though, I have work the next day?

[outer wave]

Early next morning?

[wraith quartz]

It's a second shift, but the time I settle down, it's like 1 or 2 am. 12:45 if I actually get a ride home...

[outer wave]

Oh you're working tomorrow night?

No, can't be you're working tonight, uhhhh

I doubt they'll update things by then but it's not like the game nor the update is going anywhere

[wraith quartz]

Yeaa, I guess you're right.

God, working fuckin sucks

[outer wave]

It always does yeah

[wraith quartz]

Ok, ttygl

[outer wave]

See ya around brother

[rose thorn]

duing the munity quest in rogue trader

wow- my genestealer cult is perfect lmao

[worthy coral]

Shouties

what is this weird symbol

[arctic talon]

Adeptus Mechanicus Symbol

[burnt maple]

Symbol of the Cult Mechanicus, a holy union of flesh and machine.

[arctic talon]

I feel like its on Hadron somewhere

yeah the simplified version is on her chest

[worthy coral]

What of the arrow infront of it?

[burnt maple]

What? An example, please?

[shadow plover]

The arrow is a desktop cursor

Someone took the screenshot with it in the way

[plush mason]

ok so i just thought of something, as Hallowette is the seneschal does that mean she actually holds the rank of commadore at least within the rogue trader's dynasty?

[thorn zenith]

well the rogue trader probably wouldnt let some second rate officer go around referring to herself as a commodore

[plush mason]

ngl i figured she never had the rank and it was just the typical pirate/smuggler showboating

[thorn zenith]

brahms seems to know her personally tho?

so either way, i personally think that brahms LETS her do that, whether shes an actual commodore or not

[plush mason]

yeah i havent played much recently so i have had very little interaction with Brahms

[storm jungle]

In human–computer interaction, a cursor is an indicator used to show the current position on a computer monitor or other display device that will respond to input.

pretty fucked up........

[rocky gale]

Brahms voicelines in game imply she is very fond of Hallowette, she talks about her quite a bit.

[worthy coral]

[rocky gale]

Lot of little lines like "Hallowette would love this place" and "I wonder if the Commodore would be interested in anything here"

[storm jungle]

👩‍❤️‍💋‍👩

[green loom]

Gayhammer 40k

[plush mason]

100000000%

make the neckbeards seethe

[thorn zenith]

judging from their appearances, brahms might see her as a niece/granddaughter esque precious little rascal

[shell mason]

sup nerd chat

[plush mason]

the sky

[viral halo]

Good morning lore chat chads and chuds

[queen laurel]

What's up average top gun lover

[viral halo]

Just getting ready for work

[queen laurel]

Good luck to the rest of your day then

[viral halo]

I only have 120 minutes of actual work today the rest I’ll just shitpost on discord most likely

[queen laurel]

I'm just going to be a blunt as a brick being thrown at a child here i don't know what to say to that you know what good for you

[shell mason]

Sup

[fierce panther]

So yesterday this chat lied to me

There are zero records of Salamanders killing human civilians

Might be the case with killing xenos

[radiant lance]

xenos
Civilian

No xenos is innocent within the gaze of the Emperor

[vapid stone]

You know from experience, a brick can be pretty sharp especially when thrown at a child. They have pretty soft skin and the edges on bricks can leave nasty cuts

If you want to use something to throw at a child that'll only deliver brunt force trauma rather than cuts, I'd reccomend something with rounded edges like a ball or generally spherical object

[rocky gale]

Vulcan personally kills an entire tribe of humans who had willingly collaborated with and lived in harmony with Eldar Exodites

[queen laurel]

Out of all of the things to ping me by

recommendation on what to throw a child was the thing you decided to land on

[rocky gale]

and ordered their entire planet cleansed

[vapid stone]

^

the salamanders aren't just nice guys

they're generally the more emotional of the space marines

so yeah they'll feel bad for civillians

but they'll also fucking lose it easily

and succumb to rage

[rocky gale]

Like they murdered all the Exodites first and then when the humans were like "But they were our friends" they killed them as well

[queen laurel]

They might be more friendly than your average xenophobic killing machine but they are still you know xenophobic killing machines

Just because they like humans a tad bit more than your average space marines doesn't mean that they don't do the same crimes they do

[vapid stone]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/8vziju/book_excerptmercy_of_the_dragon_the_emperor_and/

"'I thought the Wolf King had fury,' said Ferrus, admiring the choleric spirit of his newfound brother, 'But this… Where did you find him?'"

[storm jungle]

No one lied to you, open up a codex and read sometimes

Since the opening of the Great Rift, the 3rd Company's skills have never been in greater demand. Blasphemous Chaos cults, scrapcode-infected forge worlds, or even direct xenos interference in civilian populations, create such a morass of misplaced loyalties that total eradication is often the only option left to the Imperium. 3rd Company execution teams have incinerated entire clans of nobility, along with loyal retainers protesting their innocence. In such cases, the Marines risk no heretics surviving, and stand vindicated by the discovery of whatever cults the nobles have allowed to take root. The company's flamers have also destroyed hundreds-strong mobs of factorem rioters, knowing that in their midst might lurk indoctrinated infil-trators, or carriers of warp contagions. In this instance, they deem those free of corruption to be acceptable casualties.

• Salamanders 8th Edition Codex Supplement, pg 14

[vapid stone]

tbf

[storm jungle]

[vapid stone]

that's from 8th edition and we're in the year of our lord and savour 2024

and 8th edition wasn't the most beloved

[storm jungle]

Its never been retconned, isnt out of date, the lore is still there, and we are still in the Rift era.

So no

[vapid stone]

I never said it was wrong

[storm jungle]

I mean saying "the edition wasnt the most beloved" is not enough

[vapid stone]

I'm just saying why would some one who's new buy a rule book from 2020

we've had 2 new editions since then

or even take the time to read through it on a free PDF

[green loom]

Nooooo Lensk lost his cool outfit!

[storm jungle]

Because lore is lore.

[vapid stone]

even when I (a strange and mentally unwell little man) read out dated rulebooks for their lore, I usually go for the 1st - 4th edition rule books

[sullen cape]

beacuse some of the contraction and reference were made in that one eddition rule book

[vapid stone]

of course because we all know that 8th edition was the peak of 40k lore

[green loom]

Hey Dilara aren't a lot of the salamanders in the Nick Kyme books pretty dismissive of civilians

[storm jungle]

What does that have to do with literally anything

[storm jungle]

Yes lol

[sullen cape]

why wold someone go and pick up the Trillogy for 7th edditon ending the Gathering of the storm, that was like 3 eddtion ago

[storm jungle]

Because they wanna read it

[green loom]

Yeah the 8th ed books were notably not bad for lore/setting intro stuff iirc

[sullen cape]

beacuse the lore around them are just so good, and provide context to the 8th, 9th and 10th eddtion

[storm jungle]

^

Why am I literally reading the book Space Wolf from 1999

because its fun

[queen laurel]

Oh for the love of the three headed bloodhound of khorne

Why do i read the original troll slayer

[fierce panther]

Those were traitors

[green loom]

Also DIlaraaaa they removed the Green Guard from the Psykanium

Millions must be dripless

[sullen cape]

Last Chancers will always be the Guard book of choice for me.

[queen laurel]

Because it's f****** awesome

[vapid stone]

we're talking about buying a rule book to read the lore, and why it's unlikely that of all of the editions to do so they'd pick 8th edition which was pretty controversial due to it's introduction of primaris

[green loom]

Uh

Have you ever looked at a Codex lol

[vapid stone]

Yes

[storm jungle]

I can tell from that pfp, good choice

[vapid stone]

I'm saying for someone who unaccustomed to the lore

who's probably new

probably heard that 8th editon wasn't that greart

and who started in 9th/10th edition

[green loom]

"8th edition was bad actually 🤓"
looks at GW stock rising

[sullen cape]

if you wanted to read's the lore starting probable from 7th eddition onwards is probable a good choice. as it provides the broadest range of conext

[vapid stone]

I said controservial

[queen laurel]

Whether you like it or not a codex is still one of the best sources of lore explaining a faction

Even if it's bad

Why are you so worked up over it

[vapid stone]

I'm not

look at the start of the conversation

Dilara told luna to read a codex and I said "tbf it's unlikely someone new to 40k lore would've read the 8th edition codexes"

[green loom]

In any case the 8th ed codex is as valid as any other source of lore

[vapid stone]

Ok just so you guys understand what I'm saying

I'm not saying you shouldn't read the old rule books

I'm not saying the lore in them is wrong

I'm not saying they're objectively bad

what I am saying is

[rocky gale]

Then what are you saying?

[storm jungle]

Its more just them saying "lore chat was lying", which is a very dumb statement to make to a regular lore-goer.

[vapid stone]

it's unlikely that someone new to 40k lore would've taken the time to read all the older rulebooks

[vapid stone]

yeah that is true

[storm jungle]

Yeah its not much beyond that

and their blind insistence that "salamanders are good guys"

[rocky gale]

Because Dilara told them to read the Codex and you're saying "It's unlikely they read the codex", yea that's why they were told to read it.

[storm jungle]

^

[vapid stone]

it's more they said pick up and read any book

[green loom]

I think we should shoot more space marines

[queen laurel]

I think we should skin them alive

[sullen cape]

i would say the number of people who have went and read some of the codexs is rare, alot of people will only read one or 2 codexs compeltely and skip of the others.

[vapid stone]

^

this is what i was trying to say

[sullen cape]

very Dark eldar of u which coven or hex you belong to

[queen laurel]

Smart ork

[green loom]

I like that Godskin order the one artist on reddit is making

[vapid stone]

it's not fair to say to a newer person "go read the books" and then reference an article from an outdated rule book

GW have been writing codex's and novels and general bits and pieces of lore since 1987

[rocky gale]

When the person is saying you're wrong or lieing, you disprove them and quote the article while advising they read it themselves, it's entirely fair.

[sullen cape]

look i will reference the Mina Lesk novels as much as i like which contradicts most of the 8& 9th codexs.

[queen laurel]

It's outdated but the information holds

Like i get what your saying reading an older edition lore book is not really the best idea but it's only apart from that rule book that hasn't been changed

[dusk patrol]

Ok but look at all the fanart and shitty fan comics of Salamanders being nice

[vapid stone]

My point is more how the veteran 40k enjoyers treat a lot of the newer fans

[rocky gale]

We're not saying "You must read all the old Codex's" but like when you come in throwing hands and saying people are lieing to you, you're going to get fact checked.

[queen laurel]

Yeah

[vapid stone]

yeah that was a dumb way to phrase themself(in reference to the person originally saying "you all lied")

[rocky gale]

What?

[vapid stone]

?

[sullen cape]

also most of Saint abbentts work is contractdicting some common princples of 40k. like Human's can't survive very long on choas infected world. the unqiue languae which is counter to the warp and some more freaky stuff around the sides but it valid as most stuff in 40k is. as it depends on your order your sources for example there a sucessor of cadia called new cadia that was set up on the Appegnia forgeworld system that from the lesk story's.

[rocky gale]

Oh

[vapid stone]

as a cadian enjoyer I still hate that they just made

new cadia

[dusk patrol]

He doesn’t contradict, 40k isn’t a one size fits all universe

[storm jungle]

I mean what are they suppose to do

die alone in spaceships?

[dusk patrol]

Humans can survive on some chaos worlds

We see this a lot

[queen laurel]

Chaos worlds become slowly mutated right

[vapid stone]

most cadian shock troops weren't born on cadia

[dusk patrol]

It is unlikely they’ll be uncorrupted but it’s also not impossible they could

[queen laurel]

Like an infection spreading

[dusk patrol]

It just depends

[vapid stone]

since they were stationed all over the galaxy

[dusk patrol]

There’s no rule really

With uh whatever it was called too

The world was in the middle of its corruption

[vapid stone]

they'd typically just raise new white shields on different postings

[dusk patrol]

And when they return it’s worse

[storm jungle]

This is a plot point explored in the new Cadian books and they are entirely aware of this, theres still trueblood Cadians made from actual native ones.

Even if the Cadians didnt want to settle themselves the Imperium would have forced it on them either way, they are one of the most numerous regiments in the Imperium they will breed one way or the other and keep popping out fresh soldiers.

[sullen cape]

not according to abentt's guant's ghost, which states that they shouldn't i point the chapter where the inqustior state they he should be atleast curropted and that even the grey knight would be sus.

[dusk patrol]

Should and always will be are two different things

[sullen cape]

part of the cadian book is that cadia is just a culture which has been resettled a number of times.

[dusk patrol]

In general they’re not gonna take chances

[vapid stone]

I'm not saying they wouldn't settle

[dusk patrol]

This doesn’t mean it always happens

[vapid stone]

yeah they're the most numerous regiments in the 40k universe

[dusk patrol]

Same as the Murdercurse and Armageddon when Angron got there

[vapid stone]

but I was thinking a more spread out bunch of bases

[storm jungle]

Its literally what Odin says in Ragnarok yep, "Asgard isnt a place, it is the people." lol

[dusk patrol]

Not all of them were corrupted

[vapid stone]

maybe setting up new kasrs on different planets with strategic importance

[sullen cape]

the point i was making was that it depends on who your sources are counting some people will dismiss the new cadia, view sayign cadia will die out. while other will accept the new time up

[storm jungle]

Okay but thats not whats happening

it cannot be dismissed

💀

[green loom]

I have a Cadian-settled world in my homebrew sector

[storm jungle]

Fans also just... do not read or know anything about the situation with Cadians atm

[vapid stone]

but just naming a new planet "new cadia" exists in lore now is dumb writing

[green loom]

Uh

Why

[dusk patrol]

There’s still millions to billions of Cadians

[sullen cape]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/New_Cadia

[vapid stone]

do I have to explain that to you?

[dusk patrol]

It’s not surprising they’d found new worlds or whatever

[sullen cape]

Justin D. Hill is the author he also worked on the 9th codex.

for the guard. but it wasn't mentioned

[dusk patrol]

This is all covered very clearly in the Minka Lask books

[vapid stone]

why when 1 plantet gets destroyed you just solve any questions regarding what happens to the people on that planet by just creating another planet with "new" slapped on the front of it

[dusk patrol]

They didn’t create a new one

They just settled somewhere else

Multiple places

[vapid stone]

I'm talking about the literary aspect of it

not the in universe aspect

[storm jungle]

Its what the Cadians wanted

they are a deeply military cultured society

its literally rammed into their brain from childhood

[sullen cape]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaeros
specficly this planet is mentioned

[vapid stone]

once again

[sullen cape]

well the saying is that a cadian by the age of 8 is a crack shot before they can read and write

[green loom]

"New Cadia" is now a plot point/plan by Creed too

[storm jungle]

Yep

[vapid stone]

not talking about the in universe reasons

[rocky gale]

Yea, it's just unbelievable, I mean you leave one place and go somewhere else and just put new infront of the name of the old place. You'd never see that in real life.

[storm jungle]

places being called "New (Old Location Name) is a thing that happens extremely frequently IRL too

[vapid stone]

you don't say

[storm jungle]

...

THEN HOW IS THIS LITERATURELY DUMB

[vapid stone]

once again

[green loom]

Yeah but why's it dumb

[vapid stone]

IT'S LAZY

[storm jungle]

WHO CARES

[vapid stone]

ME

[storm jungle]

GYATT DAMN

[vapid stone]

A CADIAN PLAYER

[sullen cape]

New York, New South wales, New england any of these name ring bells

[storm jungle]

SOMEONE FIRING SQUAD THIS DUDE

🫵

[rocky gale]

New York, New Orleans, New Bedford, New Rochelle, New England, New Berlin, New Albany, New London

[green loom]

Yeah because coming up with "Chriminusthimblemundus" is so much more respectable

[queen laurel]

Sorry boss the best i can do is the dan abnett baby shark toilet chamber

[sullen cape]

I play a Karskin- Tempestus scion guard army i have to say i really like justin d hills lore i count it as cannon+ RG player for life

[rocky gale]

Sometimes you don't even bother with New, how many cities are there in the US called Birmingham?

[green loom]

Is that the author that wrote the new Ursula book/

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Or was it Minka Lesk

[sullen cape]

no jude reid/reed is Creed

Justin D hill is lesk

[storm jungle]

I almost said "Agatha Creed"

god my brainrot

https://tenor.com/view/matilda-trunchbull-rolling-gif-7823204

[dusk patrol]

I don’t even get why it’s lazy, it’s not like it’s actually jsut Cadia 2.0

[vapid stone]

WE HAVE A MASSIVE LORE EVENT, THE 13TH BLACK CRUSADE AND THE FALL OF CADIA, THE CADIANS NO LONGER HAVE A HOME WORLD, A FORTRESS WORLD WHICH WAS ONE OF THE MAJOR PURPOSES OF THE REGIMENTUM, THIS COULD'VE LED TO AN INTERESTING NARRATIVE ABOUT THE CADIAN REGIMENTAL CULTURE CHANGING AND WARPING AS THE 1 UNIFYING ASPECT IS LITERALLY TURNED TO RUBBLE BUT NO THEY JUST RENAME A PLANET NEW CADIA AND IT'S ALL GOOD

[dusk patrol]

They have major issues of if their culture is gonna survive too

It’s not Cadia 2.0, it’s a new world they’re calling New Cadia

[vapid stone]

that's my problem

[sullen cape]

i am just going to point the Shadow of the Vualts Rule book with it Karskins

[storm jungle]

ıts not all good

[rocky gale]

As an aside, I love when TW:WH3 gets an update

[green loom]

I mean like

[storm jungle]

the books again raise the point that the officers are scared they are gonna lose their culture

[dusk patrol]

Like

Have you read the book?

[green loom]

There's still Cadians who don't settle lol

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

It’s not a simple thing

[sullen cape]

yes

[green loom]

Always was

[queen laurel]

Hey it makes the magic casting easier and we are somehow getting an anti magic dog

[vapid stone]

Are we talking about the novels or the codexs

[storm jungle]

Pureblood cadians also make kids onboard ships going to other warzones as well which the 8th edition codex also mentions

[sullen cape]

yes, i got all the books in collector edditon formating

[dusk patrol]

I’m not talking to you

[storm jungle]

Novels dominantly

[dusk patrol]

The novels are which cover this mostly, most of your issues are brought up

[vapid stone]

That's another issue entirely about black library novels and how they fit into the lore

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah larmoth which army do you main

[dusk patrol]

They’re not really happy with the arrangement mostly and some don’t want to try to start again on a new world

[queen laurel]

I'm going to guess dark elves

[sullen cape]

they said that they were looking for the pure bloods to form whiteshield regiments or a close appeximeation

[vapid stone]

see that's good

[dusk patrol]

And there’s major concerns of if their kids are gonna be anything like them

[vapid stone]

I'm glad the authors of the novels are doing this

[dusk patrol]

Ok well

Like

[vapid stone]

but it seems GW themselves don't care all that much

[rocky gale]

Estalia

[dusk patrol]

Maybe fucking read the source material like we said

[rocky gale]

Southern Realms stay winning

[sullen cape]

look @vapid stone the Author's are changing constant alot of people are selective on what you count as cannon and not

[dusk patrol]

This just loops back around

[queen laurel]

Damn you got me there

[dusk patrol]

There’s a fucking series of novels which addresses this you’re forming an opinion from a shitty wiki summary for like three books

[vapid stone]

you know what fine

[sullen cape]

Kage is a Saint. Fact's it not recorded anywhere but in the saint of armegeddon by Gav thorp who book automatically count as cannon

[dusk patrol]

Idk what you want us to say

[storm jungle]

Like we get your points, but this matter very much is you just not liking the lore being written.

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[storm jungle]

Even tho the lore very much explains all this

I dont know what to say chief

[vapid stone]

maybe I'm just stubborn when it comes to ignoring the lore of the novels

[dusk patrol]

They don’t jsut hop on a new planet and go “oh swell we’re all good now”

[dusk patrol]

Yes if you ignore lots of pivotal lore and addressing issues then you’re gonna have problems

[sullen cape]

well you miss out on the Karskin, Honour Bound, Straken, Longshots, all of Cains novels, the Guants ghost and the last chances, not forgetting kreig

[vapid stone]

I wouldn't consider the novels to be the pivotal lore

[storm jungle]

B-B-

WHa-

[dusk patrol]

That explains a lot

[queen laurel]

The horus heresy

[vapid stone]

that i'd say is an exception

[storm jungle]

No

[dusk patrol]

I’m actually kinda annoyed you didn’t just open with that so I could ignore everything else you say

[storm jungle]

the Heresy never happened

fake news

[queen laurel]

It's a series of novels and you said they don't count as pivotal lore so does that mean that you are you know not being true to your ideals

[vapid stone]

well they aren't, the lore from the novels is unreliable and inconsistent

[dusk patrol]

How would you know?

So is codexes btw

So are campaign books

[sullen cape]

so you dont count kreigs actions, the Cains Novels the hero of the imperium, the fall of Cadia novel line and the action surrounding that as valid, the King makers and traitor house knights, the action of Starken, the 1st antari rifles and the bale crusade, the Seige of Vaks as cannon

[vapid stone]

the codexes update and change per edition which officially retcon previous ones, yeah there's inconsistencies but they're not major

[dusk patrol]

That’s just not true, in fact intentionally they can be contradictory between factions

Although these days the lore is so sparse it’s not as much

[sullen cape]

the salamder not able to have sucessor chapter but do now, the SW have succesor chapter but do, the Ravenguard having no genetic issues, or low gene seed?

[vapid stone]

that's usually due to the perspectives

[vapid stone]

I chalk that up to GW being dumb

[dusk patrol]

Do you think GW somehow fixes all the issues they have with novels for campaign books and codex’s?

[storm jungle]

Okay so another thing with this, authors actually DO call each other or even have literal skype calls to sometimes make sure they get the respective characters or plot points they share right.

[sullen cape]

the codexes update and change per edition which officially retcon previous ones, yeah there's inconsistencies but they're not major your words

[dusk patrol]

Contradictions in lore and novels aren’t as common as you think

And much like codexes

Are often treated as retcons if there is one

[storm jungle]

To add to this too GW also has a "master codex" kind of lorebook they usually adhere/try to stick to when writing stuff as well, most authors dont even get permission to make any sweeping contradictory changes unless you're a bigshot like Abnett

[vapid stone]

I would call that a retcon

[green loom]

The Horus Heresy is definitely a case study in consistency though right

[sullen cape]

with one expection with Lukas

[storm jungle]

thats... not a retcon

[storm jungle]

Yep pretty much

[vapid stone]

That's what I'm talking about

[storm jungle]

like writing books is not easy

[vapid stone]

GW sets a narrative which the authors build around not vice versa

[dusk patrol]

No it’s not because this applies to novels

[vapid stone]

the authors take creative liberties

[dusk patrol]

Black Library literally sets lore for stuff

They’re not separate entities

[green loom]

Also isn't there like, a handful of genuinely retconned books

[sullen cape]

i would probable state the books around some of the events really go of the fucking rails when it comes to lore the GK murdering the sisters...

[dusk patrol]

They’re the same authors

Guymer both wrote the Iron Hands codex lore and the novels

[green loom]

40k rarely does full "retcons", newer books may have new/contradicting information but it's up to you if you put it above lore in other books

[storm jungle]

Even in games like Darktide literally everything this game has that gets added for content has to go under GW scrutiny.

Lore, dialogue, levels, guns, even cosmetics.

[dusk patrol]

They try to keep the same people on the same stuff

[storm jungle]

Also this

40k has EVER RARELY ever hard-retconned lore

[green loom]

Like what's the quote

[storm jungle]

its only happened to like 3 books in existence i think?

[green loom]

"Everything is canon, but maybe not everything is true"

[vapid stone]

Look I'll be honest I'm arguing with 4-5 different people so it's hard to keep track

[storm jungle]

Okay but our points match

thats the thing

[dusk patrol]

My issue is you’re saying you don’t read the stuff and then complaining how it’s contradictory and not real like idk

[sullen cape]

i mean look at angels of Calbarian you can serriously fuck with timelines like saving the primarch from death and making sure the HH never lost the 1st legion fullly

[dusk patrol]

Idk what to argue with it’s jsut not true

GW is clear that novels are canon

[vapid stone]

yeah but there's someone constantly typing up a new point whilst I'm trying to type up my point regarding my opinion

[vapid stone]

all the novels are canon but not all of them are true

[queen laurel]

You said that the main things that are literally making a lot of the fans in this franchise fall in love

The novels written by hardworking authors

Are not pivotal to the lore

You're going to get a lot of people to jump you

[dusk patrol]

Especially with having not read them

[sullen cape]

you can choose which items are your Cannnon

[stark cargo]

I'm not sure "canon" really fits the way the 40k setting is fleshed out. Nor does it really matter? It's mostly a style. As long as there no glaring contradictions, folks seem to be happy?

[storm jungle]

Yes it kinda does.

[sullen cape]

that the joy of GW novels and codex with it varities and contraction and inconsistances between authors

[storm jungle]

Canon exists.

Its not a ghostly concept

Its more that its not that restrictive unless people go super crazy about it

[green loom]

Dilara what's the Inquisitor role

Head admin?

[sullen cape]

there alot of events which are strictly happen at particular points not in particular order to name a few
-HH
-siege of Vaks
-abysassal Crusade
-Fall of Cadia
destruction of Gyophone iv
Indomatius crusade
the resuction of Primarchs
1-3 armgeddon wars
Shrike becomes chapter Master (for the RG fans)

[vapid stone]

When i meant they're not pivotal to the lore, the novels seldom change or alter the lore (horus heresy series being an exception which I know is a fat load of book just so sweepingly say they're an exception, but prior to them there wasn't a clear well defined lore regarding the heresy) they provide additons to it, but the fixed state of the 40k universe is updated and altered by GW themselves with updates with every edition. I'm not saying they're good, I'm not saying the novel's lore is worse, but it's a more centralised and solid basis for what's "canon". Also, I'm not saying the novels are bad or anything, I've read a couple of very good ones which I enjoyed, although some of them aren't the most well written.

[green loom]

The Heresy books are... pretty irrelevant tbh

[stark cargo]

You know that better than me. But on the reader side, it's not that obvious or relevant. There seems to be a rough timeline of big events, but that's it.

I appreciate authors coordinating to increase consistency. But the setting can easily take minor contradictions

[vapid stone]

Also i hear a lot of them aren't great

[dusk patrol]

Lots of codexes suck too that’s not really the point

Heresy books are big for establishing lore

[vapid stone]

Like I said, I never said they were better written than all of them

[dusk patrol]

Plenty of novels do too

[green loom]

Ah I don't think that really means canon doesn't exist, like what happens still happens there's some rules here and there
40k is just a setting that you can push and pull around pretty freely

[vapid stone]

but it's just an easier basis for what to consider canon/non-canon

[dusk patrol]

Codexes generally are snippets at best and wide picture stuff

[green loom]

A memo lost on lots of people

[dusk patrol]

It’s all canon, contradictions aren’t common

Idk how you would even know if you haven’t read this stuff

[vapid stone]

I think the best explanation for lore inconsistencies is, a lot of the sources we find in the 40k universe come from unreliable narrators with heavy biases

[sullen cape]

not many of the codex's are great Lore setts they have few recent events and discuss the history but don't really set a time line, the SOB has the regine of blood and the events surrounding it, then basically jumps the the Present day with the indomitus crusade and Moren Vhals

[storm jungle]

^

Also fans dont get to decide canon unless its like some part of lore that never matters.

[rocky gale]

The classic GW line, Everything is canon, not everything is true.

[vapid stone]

^

speaking of

I remember a relic developer saying space marine 1 wasn't canon

anyone hear if that's officially changed with space marine 2

[sullen cape]

it not cannon not in the slightest

[storm jungle]

ıts canon

[vapid stone]

that was my understanding as well

[storm jungle]

its events get referenced in last year's white dwarf

lol

[rocky gale]

Wasn't Titus mentioned in one of the lore segments though?

[green loom]

They sorta wrote it in with a white dwarf around a year+ ago

[storm jungle]

Yeah he was

[vapid stone]

yeah i thought I saw some stuff in the new lore

[sullen cape]

Captain titus has never appeared in the org chart of ultimarines going way back

[storm jungle]

they explain that in white dwarf too

[rocky gale]

Like they had a whole lore bit explaining why he was Lieutenant now instead of Captain and what he went through between games

[storm jungle]

it was because he was censured due to the Inquisition

[green loom]

Though keep in mind video game lore is typically in a sort of media limbo

[vapid stone]

I've heard that was because he was written out of it in universe

[vapid stone]

^

[green loom]

Where it exists but it basically will never be addressed

[storm jungle]

Yeah, it was just a lore inconsistency they only explained last year a decade later

which like, it works so lol

[green loom]

Though we do have a Titus model now and Acheran is in the game

[sullen cape]

i don't think i picked up that issue of white dwarf

[stark cargo]

Yeah. And sometimes it's even the same author. Demdski-Bowdens Abaddon in the Nightlords trilogy is a dud. And his Abaddon in Black Legion is a genius.

[storm jungle]

WOW, RUDE

[green loom]

Lel

[queen laurel]

Leandros was also stupid because i'm pretty sure one of the things in the codex that he loves to praise so much is that you should tell the space marine higherups if you think a fellow battle brother is a heretic

Not directly to the inquisition

[storm jungle]

my homie here hitting all the weak spots 💀

[vapid stone]

is there?

[storm jungle]

yeah we do

[green loom]

Ye

It was like

A Walmart game

Lmao

[vapid stone]

oh nice

[green loom]

A hilariously cheap source of Gaunts I'm told

[vapid stone]

does it have seperate rules

[rocky gale]

Yea it had it's own rules and lore booklet

[vapid stone]

oh nice

so yeah titus is canon now

[sullen cape]

yes. but he a LT which only became a thing in 8th

[rocky gale]

Came with everything you needed to play the boardgame and you can use the models in game standard 40k with Titus as a default Lieutenant model though

[green loom]

He got demoted yeah

[stark cargo]

What did I step in now? 😅

[vapid stone]

didn't he get removed essentially from the ultramarines and kept in custody of an inquisitor and then returned and given the rank of lieutenant?

[green loom]

Iirc he gets frozen and the UM eventually find him

[vapid stone]

right

frozen or lost in the warp?

[rocky gale]

I thought he was also with the Deathwatch for a bit

[sullen cape]

i still think the Inqustion should have just killed him, fair easier thing to do and more in line with the inqustion

[green loom]

Holy fuck the mauls are nice

[vapid stone]

idk

inquisition killing a captain of a space marine chapter wouldn't be the best idea

[rocky gale]

And when he was brought back to the Ultramarines he was knocked down to a regular Marine and had to earn his way back up to LT

[sullen cape]

it happend before, and it will happen again

[vapid stone]

there was a story about the space wolves basically going to war with the inquisition and Grey knights following the first war for Armageddon, although idk how I feel about it

[viral halo]

great pfp btw

[vapid stone]

that whole story was kind of dumb and weird imo

[storm jungle]

It wasnt really weird

the Wolves bit off more than they could chew

[dusk patrol]

It’s once again

Very clearly explained

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

First founding chapters are different

They get away with more and it’s more delicate

Also might makes right

[vapid stone]

Not the space wolves getting pissed at the inquistion

[viral halo]

shitted off more than they can poo*

[dusk patrol]

Most chapters couldn’t get away with that

[storm jungle]

Also it got resolved right at the boiling point

It was extremely tense and Fenris almost got bombed to shit as well, they had an entire Red Hunters/Inquisition fleet above their planet

[sullen cape]

the fact that titus Inqustior has been possed by a demaon while isn't wired but surely is unsusaly it wasn't picked up sooner, speaking of that Parker Novel Line of DW is there anyone else who finds being a inqustior who is being manipulated bya tennzhch deamon wired

[vapid stone]

wait what?

oh

inquistior titus

[sullen cape]

RED hunters are Myth along with the Minitour Chapter.. your saw Nothing you remember nothing

[vapid stone]

I thought that was captain Lieutenant titus

[sullen cape]

he is the Inqustior that capture titus

[queen laurel]

They should have virus bombed

[sullen cape]

titus' inqustiors

[sullen cape]

Lukas would have stopped it, they would ahve virus bomb them selves

[stark cargo]

Not really? I mean, who else should out-manipulate an Inquisitor?

[queen laurel]

Well that's certainly something

[vapid stone]

but yeah @storm jungle @dusk patrol less the conflict between the space wolves and the inquisition and grey knights, more to do with them trying to completely wipe out the population of Armageddon. Sure they could've been corrupted by chaos, but couldn't you have placed everyone in a state of quarantine until you wiped out the remainder of the pockets? feel like that would've been easier and more beneficial than creating a holocaust

[sullen cape]

also how the ever living hell do stop the Greatblade of Khrone wield by a Deamonic Lunitic which is resistant to Psyhic magic is a feat only know to the emperor which if it was the way to basically stop banishment then they should have done it alot earlier then durng the 1-2 war of armggeddon though the titel of the blade breaker is pretty wicked title

[viral halo]

Who is Khrone

[vapid stone]

Khrone

[viral halo]

Khorne's special cousin

[vapid stone]

that's khorne's special chair

his skull khrone

[sullen cape]

it 2am here i been up 26 hours idc

[viral halo]

Khrone be like "blood for- blood for- blood for"

[storm jungle]

The thing is they were entirely proven right because the Steel Legionares corrupted the planets they escaped to. Its not about corruption through chaos, its seen a LITERAL DAEMON PRIMARCH.

The Imperium are not good guys, they are not suppose to act sensible, hence the Inquisiton's literal concentration camp decision lol

[vapid stone]

would the entire population have seen angron though?

[storm jungle]

Half the population was dead

[vapid stone]

also yeah I know imperium aren't good guys

[storm jungle]

the only survivors were helping with the Wolves

they werent a lot as is

[sullen cape]

the fact that some inqustiors have more and ethics. are the issue.
but not all the population (a fraction of the population) saw khrone and that was the agreement between the wolves and the GK but GK were doing internal polticking

[vapid stone]

I didn't know khrone was on armagaeddon tbh

[sullen cape]

aragon

the avatar of khrone

[vapid stone]

aragorn was on armagaeddon?

[sullen cape]

yes

[stark cargo]

Wiping out the populace and resettling seems to be the default option in 40k. It also shows up in Rogue Trader.

[vapid stone]

true

[shadow plover]

also known as the first war of armageddon

[vapid stone]

also yeah a lot of armageddon kind of got fucked

probably easier to wipe the slate clean and resettle

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

[sullen cape]

i am a bit iffy as in the saint of armgeddon deamon appear after being ment to be wipped out during the first war. and they didn't appear in the secound war, saint of ammgeddon is set post 3rd war

[vapid stone]

(obviously morally wrong)

[storm jungle]

Imagine saying this in any other server and getting gangpiled by fascist users 💀

"Ethnic cleansing is inherently correct."

"You mean in 40k right"

"Who?"

[stark cargo]

What I like about the SW/Inquisition conflict is that both sides acted according to their nature

[vapid stone]

the amount of unironic facists in 40k is unsettling and annoying

[queen laurel]

Stop you're waking up the demons

I already boarded up the door like five f****** times today

[storm jungle]

We en-masse ban most of them here dont worry lol

[sullen cape]

FActs

[vapid stone]

it's one of the reasons I stopped liking krieg

[storm jungle]

You should like Krieg

just ignore their dumbass fanbase

[vapid stone]

I used to

[sullen cape]

@vapid stone define fascism

[vapid stone]

uh fuck

[rocky gale]

Personally, the Imperium doesn't go far enough.

[vapid stone]

I gotta remember my politics lessons

shit

[gray umbra]

Nah those natives deserve to die so they can make way for the strong blond hair blue eyed terrans

[vapid stone]

I JUST FUCKING SAT A MOCK EXAM

hold on

[storm jungle]

I had a black templar OC drawn and half the comments were annoyed that hes african-american/has dark skin without his helmet 💀

[sullen cape]

don't try, as the is no defintion as the creater being bento musslini never said anything consistant

[vapid stone]

that is true

[green loom]

Is that you Arch?

[vapid stone]

it's like the nazis being "national socialist"

[storm jungle]

Fascism can be defined more towards the acting of the ruling state/body

[queen laurel]

Well at least the storm cast eternals have something that space marines will never have

they can have sex

[vapid stone]

with very little in the way of socialism and a lot in the way of nationalism

[vapid stone]

I'd consider it an authoritarian ultra nationalist state

[storm jungle]

Thats still fascism

[vapid stone]

yeah that's how I define facism

[storm jungle]

oh lol

[vapid stone]

but please for the love of god don't ask me to define nationalism

I'm still trying to learn that in my class

[storm jungle]

Im just used to people going "no thats not fascist, thats authoritarian"

and im like "... okay so that doesnt make it any different bro 💀 "

[sullen cape]

the thing is facism can run in parall with democracy i qoute johnathan meades a history and Cultural critique who take a very parculiar few of ism and idealogical drivers in culture

[sullen cape]

what is a nation state?

[vapid stone]

oh we got to that

[storm jungle]

Yeah but still fascism is fascism, you cant exactly look at a nation running concentration camps and go "thats authoritarian"

[vapid stone]

it's a geographical region defined by the culture of the people residing within it, with an officially recognised government

For instance Germany is a nation and a state

Kurdistan is a nation but not a nation state as it does not have an officially recognised government

[sullen cape]

i ask the question the use of control of the states means as a control is Facismism. it can be voted in, so long as the state provides a compeltle control most of the populence actions in life, russia's 5 years plans or the Franco regime of the mid 20th century, both a example of a facist state at work

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

I mostly just hate people who try to strawman/sidestep things like the Imperium by saying its a "feudal oligarchy"

like my brother in christ mass-murdering of civillians with club feet is not that 💀

[queen laurel]

It's really f****** hilarious people can't understand that the leader is just golden armored hitler with amazing hair

[stark cargo]

I find Umberto Ecos' 14 points a good indicator of fascism.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ur-Fascism&diffonly=true

[sullen cape]

two parts
nation
common language, faith/vales, shared history and a common creed and culture, in define territory

state the seprate beast of nation is the controling authority of the nation with or without the concent of the people.

[sullen cape]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0y_zmtquh8

[rocky gale]

Fascism is when someone does something I don't like

[vapid stone]

thanks , this is helpful

but there's so many variations of nationalism

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/city17-gif-21175359

[sullen cape]

that the most basic simplistic arumgent that out there.

[vapid stone]

ethno nationalism, liberal nationalism, conversative nationalism, traditional nationalism, cultural nationalism

some nationalism could be seen as good, some seen as bad

[gray umbra]

Isms

[vapid stone]

some are expansionist some aren't

[sullen cape]

all those are prefix which i define as poltical attchment which is idealogy

[vapid stone]

true but it falls under nationalism in my A-levels

[dusk patrol]

My foots gonna fall on your butt soon

[vapid stone]

Like there's the scottish and welsh nationalists who want independence from the UK

[rocky gale]

Yea like English Nationalists vs Welsh and Scottish Nationalists have a huge gulf between them in terms of ideology

[vapid stone]

and then there's the ethno nationalists like Nazi germany and groups during segregation era America such as the KKK but also the black nationalists who wanted to essentially colonise Africa with African-American christains

[vapid stone]

yeah

english nationalists are closer to facism

often support reform and BNP

[sullen cape]

well historical speaking the welsh are the true inhertors of the british island, in the welsh language the term england is actual meaning is lost land or mistland. meaning lost/stolen land when the Roman came in and conqoured it and push along with their new found gahlic friedns all across towards england

[vapid stone]

and follow a similar ideology to Oswald Mosley

[storm jungle]

Alright lads lets not get too sideway'd into politics

[vapid stone]

based

Yeah i love the history of the romano-british

although if you want to be technicaly

*technical

the gaelic came to britain before the Britons did

[queen laurel]

We are literally doing a circle already

[sullen cape]

Gealic can common across many places how many centries do you need to be before you are countered as being in that place.

[storm jungle]

[vapid stone]

I won't lie, I think the phrase political discussion has probably never been more accurate than being used to refer to what we're talking about now

[storm jungle]

I mean yeah thats why i brought it up

[sullen cape]

also when will i get a Scoped Ryza hotshot Lasgun or a Scoped Hotshot Marksman rifle

[queen laurel]

Next week

[sullen cape]

i wish

[vapid stone]

I meant the original Gaelic people who came to the British isles prior the the Britons, who then settled and made up the vast percentage of the population in ireland and then later settled (or invaded) scotland

[gray umbra]

When will i get the 1911 from dark heresy

[vapid stone]

WE NEED THE HELLGUN/HOTSHOT LASGUN (depending on your name preference)

volleygun would also be fun but I feel like it wouldn't fit properly in darktide

[sullen cape]

i post about this when the game first came out and i got told to shut up by the devs on their forum... 😦

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/hotshot-lasguns-a-way-to-do-it/84304

[vapid stone]

a man of the people

[vapid stone]

I felt like the hotshot lasgun in darktide should be a variant without the backpack ammo supply (such as the one used by one of the earlier stormtrooper models) which results in a significantly reduced ammo supply

less powerful and penetrating than the boltgun, higher rate of fire making it better for dealing with large groups of enemies for a short period of time

but lacks the capacity for prolonged sustained fire

this style of hellgun

[dusk patrol]

There’s a few different ways they could implement it

[sullen cape]

i would have said sure, but i was thing are far more variant which is high peneration but limited suppression, ammo wise you get it and generate from medical stations and medi packs rather then ammo crates.

[dusk patrol]

Like being able to load a hotshot power pack

[vapid stone]

I want me gyro stabilised ryza hellgun

[sullen cape]

Hotshot Power packs are inconsitant as power packs if you read it, last 1, 5 10, 20 shots.

[vapid stone]

lore wise I think that's an overcharged lasgun powerpack

rather than a hot shot

[dusk patrol]

It’s a hotshot cell

Which can be loaded into some patterns of lasguns

To act as a hotshot

[sullen cape]

the Power pack used by Scion, and equilvant are pack powered which is ment to last you a whole battle.

[dusk patrol]

There’s a lot of different patterns and variations

[sullen cape]

Lucius, Cadian and ryza are your 3 main varaints. for hotshot lasguns

with ryza being the most common as it being shared of late with scions and karskins

[storm jungle]

Theres a lot of different patterns and variations in which I can SHOVE MY FOOT UP YOUR-

[vapid stone]

lucius looks pretty cool

But I prefer the cadian and ryza patterns

[shadow plover]

star wars looking ass

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[vapid stone]

but yeah I think it can be balanced by using a hot shot magazine (basically the long las power pack but stuck in a hellgun) instead of a power cell fitted in the back pack

[sullen cape]

but a weapon with high peneration, medium damage but low to no suppression would be a niche which could work, along with a the ammo being charged from medi kits and medi station. with (as i am a penal legion boi) a scrafice to the healing rate due to the ammo regn factor. you get 3/4 hp healed for full ammo

[sullen cape]

i would accept that for a Hotshot Marksman rifle which is a beefed up version of the long-las.

[vapid stone]

I feel like it should have high suppression

[sullen cape]

nnnooooonnnooo

[vapid stone]

hellguns are meant to be fully automatic

not quite as high rate of fire as a volley gun

(which has literally twice the rate of fire)

[sullen cape]

if you want suppession you have a volly gun. (2-3x time rof) but still also mechnically needs to be different from the lasgun which has suppession

[vapid stone]

like the recon lasgun on steroids. More punch but less ammo

[dusk patrol]

I put a hot shot in your mom last night

[vapid stone]

oh you want a single shot or semi automatic version?

[dusk patrol]

[vapid stone]

😐

[sullen cape]

no, i prefer something along the lines of a M-XII or something which could be fitted to a 3 round burst

[dusk patrol]

There’s a lot of options

I’d enjoy a way to alternate power though

[sullen cape]

semi automatic while aimed while 3 round burst while hip.

[vapid stone]

do you mean the mk XIV?

[dusk patrol]

For more powerful or weaker shots as needed

[vapid stone]

^ this one

[dusk patrol]

Hellgun would be a good option to do that but others too

[sullen cape]

that the lucius pattern

[vapid stone]

the lucius pattern is the MK XIV

[queen laurel]

average @storm jungle @dusk patrol interaction

[vapid stone]

full title it probably Lucius Pattern MK XIV hot-shot lasgun

[storm jungle]

accurate

[sullen cape]

the Ryza pattern is pretty much the varaint i would go for with a pack battery, with something between 120-240 rounds of ammo which is refilled via medi packs or refield by medi stations as it means you need to mange how you fight better then the common weapon.

[gray umbra]

We already have hellguns at home

Hellguns at home :

[vapid stone]

sorry deleted my message to help your meme

but also

fuck you

[vapid stone]

why would it be refilled at the medi station

also gimme the source of that please

[green loom]

The new map is ROUGH on my PC

[sullen cape]

as it provides the nessuary power since your running off on hotshot or overcharged power. rather then the regular like 16kv of the stadnard lasgun also beacuse i am mean i think it a fun mechanic

[vapid stone]

idk personally

[sullen cape]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/nrl82k/took_some_screenshots_of_the_character_concept/

[vapid stone]

ammo packs already supply you with autogun ammo, lasgun ammo, plasma power packs and bolt gun rounds

[sullen cape]

it from one of the FS streams

[vapid stone]

feel like they could supply hot shot ammo too

[sullen cape]

yes but also, i never liked that particular way of issuing out ammo i would much prefer it that each form of ammo type be found across the map

[vapid stone]

I like how it shows the veteran having both the hellgun and the melta gun, two weapons which the veterans do not have rn

[green loom]

I kinda have an idea on how it could be done

As like a base weapon

[vapid stone]

fair enough

personally i prefer the lower ammo capacity, making it similar to the plasma gun and bolter as a high damage weapon but unable to sustain prolonged fire

[green loom]

Regular fire is single shot like the Kantraels but ADS or activating the special lets you rapid fire, maybe with like a charge/overheat meter

[gray umbra]

Make it like an ogryn lmg with overheat

High dmg torrent

Overheat and slow

[radiant lance]

Is the new pickaxe able to mine obsidian?

[green loom]

nah it ain't diamond

[gray umbra]

Also anyone else get the sneakin suspicion attachments are part of the item update

Prolly not

[green loom]

Just don't get your hopes up

[vapid stone]

I hope so

[sullen cape]

the issue is that it become inconistant, the reason is beacuse the Kantral are all semi which makes sense while a ads will become rapid fire, i would think while aiming you want a preice shot rather then a spray of shots,or a beam of shots. in the Books around scions and their equilvant it talks about how it very preiece interms of their firing of them, how it not a spray and pray weapon, even the vollygun which has a target aim asist means shot arn;t wasted much.

[vapid stone]

I want to get a bayonet on my kantrael

[sullen cape]

https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/search?q=hotshot

[vapid stone]

and flashlights on more of my guns

[sullen cape]

i am apice on the forum if you look across the forum you will see the word hotshot and with my name angist it

[vapid stone]

also weapons which already have rapid fire won't benefit from it

[green loom]

I can see it being accurate, maybe it can function as a horde-clear thing, weaker against heavy armour but applying a can-opener effect

[vapid stone]

that's what I was thinking

maybe able to penetrate multiple enemies as well

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/thats-true-kramer-seinfeld-gif-5503484

[vapid stone]

but not able to do much against carapace

[sullen cape]

it cannon that hotshot can go through Power armour

[vapid stone]

hmmm

[sullen cape]

the hotshot if anything should have no suppression, the vollygun should have alot of suppression

[green loom]

Fair nuf

[gray umbra]

High damage against all types but limited by slowness and overheat is probably the most balanced i can think of

If you want to be accurate gotta deploy like ogryn lmg

[vapid stone]

overheat could be good yeah

[gray umbra]

This is just game balance not a lore perspective

[vapid stone]

similar to the plasmagun

[gray umbra]

Like how the regular lasguns are just a space sks

[vapid stone]

game lore, maybe your hot shot lasguns aren't that high quality

[sullen cape]

low ammo, medium damage, high armour peneration but low suppression would balance it out, with fire rate of the m-x11 should be good. overheading kind of works on the vollygun but not a the common hotshot lasgun.

[viral halo]

this is hilarious lmfao

[vapid stone]

I mean, the kantrael doesn't have a sight on it but it does in game

[sullen cape]

it 3 am and i will say good nght all i will catch up on chat in the morning

[vapid stone]

good night

[queen laurel]

Sleep well man

[vapid stone]

Although according to the imperial munitorum manual, the hellgun can switch from semi automatic to full auto

"though the actual power of the laser bolt fired is comparable to that of a normal lasgun, it's penetrative power is far greater and can punch through layered armours with ease."

so it should do similar damage to a lasgun, but greater penetration and rapid fire

but since implementing a back supplied power source would be difficult in game due to backpack cosmetics already existing, you could reduce the ammo to just a magazine similar to the 3rd edition stormtrooper models

[radiant lance]

2nd from the left looks like a pug

[vapid stone]

it does

[vapid stone]

honestly I prefer the updated scions

idk why GW decides to use the ugliest palettes to display their models though

[radiant lance]

Pugs are abominations and an afront to nature only to satisfy man's hubris

[vapid stone]

this is the one they used for the inquisitorial Goon squad for killteam

[green loom]

Idk I kinda vibe with that

[vapid stone]

yeah that ones good

[green loom]

I like the base scheme too tbf

[vapid stone]

this is the one they used for the generic ones

idk

inquisition one looks so much better imo

the blue just looks weird

[crystal forum]

it's the scion drip

oh they got updated

i wonder why GW still bothers with scions

[vapid stone]

they're fucking sick that's why

also pretty strong in game

[dusk patrol]

Cause they look cool and people like the idea

And it gives guard an elite unit

[crystal forum]

i didn't think they were popular

[vapid stone]

idk, blue just doesn't look right on an elite special forces unit like the scions

[dusk patrol]

Idk I like it but I like a lot of their schemes

[crystal forum]

when did they get updated

i cant find the post

[vapid stone]

wdym updated

like

new models?

[crystal forum]

what you meant here

[green loom]

As in the current version

[vapid stone]

sorry shouldn't have said updated

a different official GW paint scheme

[crystal forum]

oh for a second i thought GW did something, anything with scions

[vapid stone]

they just put them in the box set with the inquisitiorial Goon Squad

for kill team

[crystal forum]

i thought scions were their own kill team

[vapid stone]

this one

they are

but you can take them with the inquisition kill team too

which is cool

[crystal forum]

ah interesting

[vapid stone]

5 scions and 7 inquistion agents

[crystal forum]

scions do seem to often pop up involved with inquisitor stuff yeah

[vapid stone]

yeah, which makes sense

they're better for more covert special operations than regular guardsmen

but also aren't apart of a regiment so you can requistion them without depriving another force a part of their regiment

[crystal forum]

the on the other hand you have the inquisitor in darktide who takes the quantity over quality approach

i hope one day we get scion armour and hot shot lasguns

[vapid stone]

there's scion cosmetics

they're not that good though

i've seen the helmet a couple of times

also we were actually just discussing how the hotshot lasgun could be added to darktide earlier

[crystal forum]

idk how it would fit tbh

maybe just very high powered lasgun with small magazine size

or literally a more powerful lasgun with a cooling mechanic like the plasma gun

[dire apex]

yeah the chestpiece was datamined a while ago

cm had to come out and say it wasnt finished nor even meant to be in the files

[storm jungle]

Inquisitors got their own stormtroopers, scions are not a part of that

they just get asked for support/asssistance when required when the prior group isnt at hand

[vapid stone]

Pretty sure storm troopers are no longer a canon term due to copy right and are now replaced with scions

[arctic talon]

They are canon

[storm jungle]

They are canon

[arctic talon]

GW mentions them still

[storm jungle]

they just arent their own thing anymore

[arctic talon]

just less

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

Tempestus scions just replaced Storm Troopers as the poster child

Carpace armor + hotshot

[storm jungle]

Yeah they became the proper spec ops

Stormtroopers in guard regiments were also barely explored as is

so its why they have gotten entirely sidelined

[vapid stone]

When were they last mentioned

Not being accusatory just curious

[arctic talon]

9e Warzone Charadon

along with Tempestus Scions

[crystal forum]

i thought they could call in scions if they had influence

but i've also noticed that elite troops tend to share looks with scions so idk

[dire apex]

stormtroopers are recruited from scions in training, basically a stormtrooper is just a scion that an inquisitor liked and scooped up because they can

[storm jungle]

Stormtroopers are recruited from anywhere

They just get spec ops training proper

[storm jungle]

and again scions are completely different

this is like a spetznas/GIGN/Delta Team kind of deal

[crystal forum]

they're part of militarum right

[dire apex]

yes, under the militarum tempestus

[arctic talon]

scions technically fall out of the nornal command structure

[storm jungle]

^

They got their own branch, Ordo/Militarum Tempestus

[vapid stone]

Yeah they aren’t Astra militarum

They’re tempestus militarum

But can be attached to militarum forces just like how commissars are even though they’re not militarum either

[plush mason]

arent the stromtroopers specific to the steel legion?

similar to how the karskin are with cadia

and the grenadiers to the DKOK

[vapid stone]

No storm troopers are the generic term

[crystal forum]

storm troopers and grenadiers are very generic terms

[vapid stone]

Yeah

Kasrkin are a type of storm trooper

[storm jungle]

Basically

• Stormtroopers are the elite spec ops formations of guard regiments, every famous regiment has one but they are barely explored, the Kasrkin is one example of this. The Inquisitor also has an arm of them if they can raise up the training for a group of people.

• Scions are the spec ops'ier troops that have their own branch and deploy into any warzone they are ordered to and do classic spec ops shit

[plush mason]

damn dawn of war got me all messed up with these guys lol

[vapid stone]

As far as I can tell inquisitors don’t have a specific dedicated group of stormtroopers, they just nab them when they can like the rest of their retinue

Sometimes they’ll take one very skilled guy

Sometimes entire regiments

(Darktide)

[storm jungle]

We arent a regiment but yes

neither stormtroopers but that goes without saying

[vapid stone]

Inquisiton warbands are regiment sized

[plush mason]

might as well be given all the shit we have done so far

[storm jungle]

Depends, some are bigger

or smaller

[dire apex]

They nan whoever is viable(most of the time they are schola progenium recruits) and then have them undergo additional purity training to make the less susceptible to corruption

[vapid stone]

Sorry meant to say can be

[crystal forum]

definitely depends on the inquisitor as most things do

[storm jungle]

[vapid stone]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

clockwork orange style

https://tenor.com/view/spec-savers-drop-scared-gif-16121297

[vapid stone]

Inquisitors have unlimited de jure powers

Their de facto powers vary though

[storm jungle]

they basically work on Mafia City logic

in laymen's terms

[plush mason]

its a soft power system

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/pan-hit-money-cash-make-money-gif-15004350

me recruiting

[vapid stone]

Grendel only acquired mistress brahm because she owed him a favour

[plush mason]

that is how it works

[vapid stone]

And he acquired morrow from the steel legion

Probably after he got stuck in the warp

[crystal forum]

multiple departments wielding unchecked power competing against eachother just as the emperor intended

[storm jungle]

Im very glad this isnt real IRL

https://tenor.com/view/cia-agent-ciaagent-gif-25809460

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/sarcameter-sarcasm-meter-sarcastic-gif-14555952

[dire apex]

Brahms is a rogue trader so yeah you need a bit of extra leverage as an inquisitor to bring them to heel

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/cia-plaguex-gif-13661863609739689290

[crystal forum]

on the one hand it makes no sense for water to be fuel but on the other i can find a bunch of youtube videos about people showing DIY hybrid engines working

i will trust the CIA, they probably have my best intentions at heart

[wintry scarab]

OMG! The animations team has cooked with these guns! There is even a unique animation for for the melee then shoot with the boltpistol. It so satisfying. It literally feels like you are jamming to bolter right up to the enemy, then pulling the trigger.

I need to post this here as well because i think its so sick

[plush mason]

um, is that a tech-hymn playing in the morningstar rn?

[dire apex]

Yeah there’s a new morning star track

[vapid stone]

The cia has never done anything to mislead the American people and has always acted to help and support them

They’ve never done anything that targets any group of people or entirety of the people in America

You should also absolutely trust your tap water

[viral halo]

https://tenor.com/view/cricky-flouride-stare-agartha-whitemonstergang-flouride-gif-11418389775457402751

[storm jungle]

I kept telling yall!

also that magazine clunk-slap

[vapid stone]

I have yet to try it

I spent about 20k and a bunch of plasteel and diamantine to get a fat bolt pistol

[storm jungle]

[winter vessel]

Now I can finally complete my Commissar loadout with the bolt pistol

[wraith quartz]

Pog

[storm jungle]

Already done it with mine

no regrets

[wraith quartz]

Sidenote: read into the inquisition. I know that the one main mantras' is "Innocence proves nothing", but in a civilian perspective. When you're getting butt hurt by a new wave "heretical sedition" and most of the acolytes of the inquisition would put a bullet in you rather than have you keep serving for the Emperor. Is there like a test/proving to show that your not a traitor to the Imperium. Also is there someone within the inquisition that allocates who's guilty or not, besides the inquisitor?

Lmk, if u need further clarification

[storm jungle]

Entirely depends on the Inquisitor

[celest dome]

And the situation

[wraith quartz]

Hmmmmm

I'm still mad that I'm on a prison convoy for my next shift to penal mines (going to work irl), and you're having fun going on a suicide mission in an icy death trap (playing the new update)

But is it good though? Did they cook?

[celest dome]

It's really quite fun

[plush mason]

oh they cooked

[wraith quartz]

[vapid stone]

it's really good

[vapid stone]

as people said depends on the inquisitor and the ordo

ordo hereticus are some of the most uh

zealous when it comes to purifying

because they focus on heretics, routing them out and stopping them from spreading

ordo xenos less so, but they will still be willing to purge a substantial population to route out any gene stealer cults

they also deal with ork infestations and the spread of the tau ideology

Ordo Malleus deal with daemons in particular, which seldom requires you to purge civillian populations

typically the daemons do that for you

there's also different ideological sects within the inquistion

Usually divided between puritan (such as throritans) and radicals (xanthians for example)

[wraith quartz]

I read that one

[vapid stone]

inquisition is one of the more interesting parts of 40k imo

[wraith quartz]

Second side note: For hive cities, did the Imperium master anti-grav tech, where people can walk upside down or no? Cause some of these structures hanging from the ceiling looks like upside-down buildings.

[celest dome]

Think of them as Stalagtite

[vapid stone]

yeah

[celest dome]

So they still live right side up, but hung from the roof

[storm jungle]

^

[vapid stone]

^^

if you watch star wars I think there's some instances where there's similar stuff

[storm jungle]

the imperium does have anti-grav tech too but like its not really used for stuff like this and its a relegated to more basic shit

[vapid stone]

like cloud city

[plush mason]

^

[vapid stone]

I really like being able to see the interior of a hive city

[wraith quartz]

Ahhh, but like in the Torrent ppl can live on those hivlagmites (hive stalagmites)?

[plush mason]

its are artistic design to make the builds look better, the inside is more or less the same as the buildings below

[storm jungle]

Nah the torrent is the detroit of Tertium

[vapid stone]

we see artwork from the exterior and from the lower levels from necromunda

[storm jungle]

people literally sift through shit-water to find stuff to eat

[vapid stone]

idk

I feel like the torrent is still above the under hive

[plush mason]

btw, do we have any idea where the hell the new map is located within the hive?

[storm jungle]

its lower-hive

Zola says as much

[storm jungle]

"Inner-void areas"

[vapid stone]

yeah

[storm jungle]

so possibly in the middle portions that arent occupied

[vapid stone]

what would you compare the underhive to

I feel like it's beyond even detroit

like

contested areas in the middle east

[green loom]

They're closest to like

[vapid stone]

no law down there

just warlords and their gangs

[plush mason]

the underhive is the slums of hell

[green loom]

The one Chinese hellcity

[vapid stone]

oh yeah

[storm jungle]

Nah, its detroit

[vapid stone]

the one where there was no law for a while

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/detroit-driveby-eminem-gif-24008106

[vapid stone]

ok

what's the sump though

[storm jungle]

another shittier area

most Hives have em

[vapid stone]

I wanted you to say detroit again

[plush mason]

the very bottom of the hive

[vapid stone]

all of the hive is just detroit

[storm jungle]

Yep

[vapid stone]

no I know what it is

[plush mason]

true

[vapid stone]

but like

real life equivalent

[storm jungle]

There isnt any

aside from Kowloon

thats it

[vapid stone]

yeah

wait no

chernobyl

[timid lodge]

Nah The Carnival is just London on Steroids

[storm jungle]

Not really

[vapid stone]

when the accident first happened