40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

Depends planet to planet again lol

On ryza for example electro priests as a whole aren’t liked

Because they don’t worship the motive force

[young pecan]

I'm glad I haven't met any others

[tough haven]

I love the idea of street gang Mechanicus

[young pecan]

I just think big fuckinf magic frog and hyper-religious (but well-meaning) lizards is funny

[young pecan]

I could see a conman telling people their items' "machine spirits demand charity"

[tough haven]

But how do you improve its biological components without using xenos elements or genetics, at a certain point there’s only so much you can do with human materials

[tough haven]

I just like the idea of all the various sub factions fighting each other as street gangs

[arctic talon]

by fucking with human genetics

Messing with genes isn't heresy

[tough haven]

Just as long as there isn’t xenos genetics right?

[arctic talon]

ye

[tough haven]

Like can you even study the xenos genetics to learn their weaknesses?

[arctic talon]

yes

[tough haven]

That’s my characters excuse at least

[arctic talon]

that is what biologis do

The organic size of some servitors, skitarii and priests is clearly not possible without genetic augmentation

[tough haven]

Can you study the mechanics of how xenos traits function, like for example, why Ork muscle tissue is so tough for example, and applied those mechanics to human subjects, without actually using the xenos material

[crystal forum]

it never occurred to me the logistics involved with servitor manufacturing

there's biologis who act like production engineers in 40k lol

[tough haven]

I think biologis would be very interested in how wraithbone meshes with organics to try and improve the marriage of flesh and machine

[arctic talon]

Yes

But don’t say it’s better

Lol

[crystal forum]

btw are servitors considered low tech?

[arctic talon]

Uhhh

[crystal forum]

like can any tech adept do it

[arctic talon]

By 40k standards?

Nah

They’re a somewhat complex process

To make sure to get right

Cogitators are what a tech adept could put together without too much issue

[crystal forum]

but you dont need STC level stuff to do it right

[arctic talon]

A servitor might be some issues even with a brain dead vat grown

[arctic talon]

Not really no

[tough haven]

Nah just say “I have turned the artifice of the alien against it” or some shit

[crystal forum]

are there examples of high tech servitors

stuff from the dark ages

or is it purely an imperial thing

[arctic talon]

Servitors are an imperial invention

[plush mason]

afaik servitors didnt exist in the dark age of tech

[arctic talon]

Or I guess mechanicus invention

[plush mason]

servitors are the result of the ban of all AIs

[crystal forum]

was it started during the age of strife when mars united?

[plush mason]

they had to resort to turning humans into robot to fill the void

[arctic talon]

Prolly

[crystal forum]

fuck i need to brush up my mechanicus lore

their origin is so cool to me

[plush mason]

servitors had to have been invented post men of iron rebellion

[crystal forum]

yeah yeah i know that part

i just wonder how long after the men of iron

when mars united they still had a ton of dark age tech

i'd kill to have a book take place on mars during the age of strife

them sending out ships in the worst warp storms ever known to the galaxy to colonize lost worlds

without the astronomican

[arctic talon]

Mars is such a shithole lol

[green loom]

I dearly hope SM2 is a hit man

[plush mason]

iirc Mars was like the only planet to actually plan for the age of strife, recalling most of its ships and colonies back before warp travel became all but impossible

[arctic talon]

It’s insane how the mechanicus didn’t implode

[arctic talon]

Mars kept contact with its colonies yeah

And also managed to colonize shit mid age of strife

Which is derranged

[plush mason]

it was a massively costly endever

but it did give rise to some of the greatest forge worlds in the current setting

[crystal forum]

yeah it's a great shithole

[arctic talon]

The catacombs of mars casually swallowing an army every couple of years

[plush mason]

the void dragon gets hungry

[crystal forum]

it tried to lol

[arctic talon]

lol

def

[arctic talon]

nah thats the noctis labrinth

[crystal forum]

don't forget that most of the ships it sent in the warp were fucked up

[arctic talon]

which is in another part of mars

thats suprisingly not shitty

The catacombs of mars are uh

[crystal forum]

it's just so fucking hard for me

[arctic talon]

just fucked lol

Mmmm random daemon engine from the horus heresy

DAOT horrors

rogue servitors

[crystal forum]

i think the funniest part of the mechanicus is that it's just a small insane cult that started during the age of strife that was given the power of the entire imperium industry because a big golden guy needed allies

[plush mason]

so a full on servitor king could be ruling down there and no one would have any idea huh?

[arctic talon]

yeah lol

[crystal forum]

probably some iron men

[arctic talon]

tbf it wasn't small, it was on many worlds lol

[crystal forum]

sprinkled in there

[crystal forum]

there were other "big" empires that got demolished by the emperor during the great crusade is what i mean lol

[arctic talon]

oh for sure lol

💀

There's absolutely a man of iron down there lol

[crystal forum]

it's just that they were given a pass and now they hold a gun to the imperium's balls

[arctic talon]

the catacombs of mars can have pretty much anything GW really wants in it

[plush mason]

not mars though because he needed their ships

[arctic talon]

they had that gun there since the start lol

[crystal forum]

and it's awesome

the imperium is held together by scotch tape and prayers

[arctic talon]

glock and balls

[crystal forum]

can you imagie a kill team taking place in the catacombs

[plush mason]

is there any way for the treaty between mars and terra to be broken?

[crystal forum]

wait is there even a skitarii kill team

[crystal forum]

is it even a treaty anymore?

[plush mason]

as in like an actual condition/s that could allow one or both sides to break ties?

[crystal forum]

they're so intertwined that it's hard to tell

[arctic talon]

the treaty doesn't exist anymore

and hasn't since the heresy

[plush mason]

yes it was redrafted when the mechanincus took over from the mechanicum

[arctic talon]

The Adeptus Mechanicus was formed by the Loyalist Mechanicum at titan legio point lol

[crystal forum]

it would be like the US and canada going to war over one of the countries breaking an agreement from 200 years ago

[arctic talon]

They're inseperable now

[crystal forum]

like the world has moved on

[arctic talon]

The custodes were also really unhappy

about the Loyalist mechanicum

marching a titan

into the fucking senate

[crystal forum]

dont they have two titans at the eternity gate

i wonder how you become a princeps for one of those

[arctic talon]

Yeah

those titans were there before tbf

[crystal forum]

-must be able to stand still for centuries

[arctic talon]

good question

lol

Must be taxing

[crystal forum]

like they're not custodes with inhuman attention span

[plush mason]

arent the titans just 2 warhounds?

[crystal forum]

"just"

it's fucking titans

in an enclosed area

[plush mason]

plus i doubt the princeps are plugged in them at all times

[crystal forum]

with a single hallway

granted they could have just installed turrets

but titans sound cooler

and the imperial palace is all about style

[tough haven]

Man there’s no lexicanum oage on the catacombs of mars

[crystal forum]

i think it's only ever mentioned

like i think the land raider guy went in and never came out

[arctic talon]

its only mentioned in the codex

its pretty brief

described as being an absolutely terrible place

almost no one returns

also Arkhan Land is probably a corpse down in it

[crystal forum]

even worse than imperial palace catacombs and that's really saying something

[arctic talon]

tbf

that place is a prison

The catacombs are more like

some dungeon in a fantasy setting lol

[crystal forum]

god i wish we could explore it one day

but you know GW 🙄

[sacred ginkgo]

The Tomb of Horrors

[arctic talon]

yeah its pretty much just that lol

[plush mason]

dont you is? afaik we only get info on him from the report of his death in the catacombs

well that was the first bit of lore at least

[arctic talon]

Its never stated if he's dead

just that he went down with an army and never came back

99.99999999999999% chance he's dead

unless GW wants to do the most idotic cop out ever

[crystal forum]

i feel like he's in that limbo state that they put all primarchs in

[arctic talon]

Just kill Land

tbh

[plush mason]

afaik the report ends with him saying something is picking off his team one at a time

[arctic talon]

He wasn't even like

[crystal forum]

he's so unimportant yeah

[arctic talon]

the most important loyalist mechanicum dude

during the heresy

[crystal forum]

oh

i thought he just found STC's and that's it

[arctic talon]

well yeah

he also stayed loyalist

during the heresy

but he didn't really do anything lol

[crystal forum]

does he have any models

[plush mason]

he also cloned a monkey

[plush mason]

he found the one for the landraiders

[arctic talon]

No thats how irrelevent he is

he's not a fighter

he's a technoarcheolgist

he's a big 🤓

[crystal forum]

wasn't that a retroactive thing

[arctic talon]

no

this has been the land raiders lore

since forever

[crystal forum]

i still hate it

[arctic talon]

It has always been named after him

lol

He also hates people calling it the Land Raider

he wants people to call it Land's raider

[crystal forum]

and yet you just know the person who made this up came up with the guy afterwards

[arctic talon]

same with the land speeder

[arctic talon]

yeah prolly

but the lore came out with the first land raider mini

[crystal forum]

the romboid raider

[arctic talon]

Either way Caleb Decima Invictus Lord of Ruin was more relevant as a loyalist archmagos

yes thats his full name

💀

[plush mason]

when did the lore about his "death" in the catacombs come out?

[arctic talon]

7e

cult mechanicus codex

[crystal forum]

how do you know that information without looking it up

[arctic talon]

because

I owned it

and read it

💀

[crystal forum]

you're FUCKED

[arctic talon]

its my favorite faction smh

I can have good memorization of cool lore from it

[plush mason]

Elite must have a photographic memory

[arctic talon]

I do not

I just have really good memory

lol

[plush mason]

lucky

[crystal forum]

can you explain to me why the mechanicus, the tech faction, uses stilts as a vehicle

[arctic talon]

they aren't a vehicle

💀

or are you talking about chicken walkers

[crystal forum]

and their flying machines look like they'd make the wright brothers coom

[arctic talon]

The wings on those are only used for gliding/to drop troops off

they're jetplanes

or jump packs

[crystal forum]

in my head they look so much different

[arctic talon]

Skitarii literally jump out the plane lol

While its moving

this is not possible if its at super sonic speeds

[crystal forum]

i get the need to give them a style but old west steampunk was not the right choice

[arctic talon]

big suprise I know

tbh

Admech is like a mix of a bunch of stuff

aesthetically

like

[crystal forum]

on tabletop i hate them

i like their official art

[arctic talon]

again

its a mix of it all

also this is on the tabletop smh

how can you hate the dunecrawler

crab tank my beloved

[crystal forum]

can i be honest

[arctic talon]

yes

unironically lol

[crystal forum]

why the fuck does it feel like the entire cabin area is from an other vehicle

i cant pinpoint why

[arctic talon]

probably because it is

[crystal forum]

but it looks like something else

[arctic talon]

The onegar is a modification

of an STC

for a treaded exploratory vehicle

[crystal forum]

still cant beat the spider leman russ

[arctic talon]

Lol

Also I think skitarii look fine

I don’t like archeoraptors

Or stilt boy

[crystal forum]

i love the amount of leman russ bullshit that's been created over the years

old models go hard

[arctic talon]

But the pteraxii make sense

Logically

It’s just a pair of wings for gliding silently

[crystal forum]

i dont like how some of their guns look like flintlock muskets

[arctic talon]

Because a jet engine is loud as shit

[arctic talon]

The galvanic rifles

Meh

[crystal forum]

like the tabletop can't pick a single style

[arctic talon]

That’s the point

[crystal forum]

i'd just go full western and give them lever actions and revovlers

[arctic talon]

I mean they do have revolvers

And lever actions

[crystal forum]

i know

[arctic talon]

They also have automatic plasma guns

And other insanity

Imo the mix is cool

[crystal forum]

alright fine

you win

[arctic talon]

It’s just my opinion

There’s no winning or losing lol

I’m just justifying my opinion smh

[crystal forum]

i will now cut another chunk of my flesh off as is tradition in losing an argument online

[arctic talon]

Please do not

[queen laurel]

This is warhammer the stronger opinion lives the weaker one dies

There is no coexistence only war

Do not show weakness

[arctic talon]

Like HH mechanicum is

arguably even worse of an aesthetic clusterfuck lol

these are both the same army lol

And HH mechanicum looks sick as well

tbh

[crystal forum]

i like those tin men

[arctic talon]

and a lot of the stuff is still in 40k but GW hates us

/hj

[crystal forum]

very brutal looking

[arctic talon]

The thallax are even grosser on the inside

[queen laurel]

Why does the one on the right look like the eldar dead people mechs but they decided to go back a few centuries and make it look steampunkish

[crystal forum]

yeah the lore is mega grimdark

[arctic talon]

mmmmmm I am in pain

[arctic talon]

idk

also this shit lol

not a servitor, not a battle automata

[crystal forum]

painting this must be insanse

[arctic talon]

its the worlds most fucked up servo skull

[queen laurel]

Yeah like it looks too similar man

Like you can see what i'm talking about

[arctic talon]

Its prolly intentional

[crystal forum]

you know what

they look cool

i'd volunteer to be one

[arctic talon]

also these thingies lol

[queen laurel]

They look like the final form of the turkey

[crystal forum]

i have a weakness for rotary weapons

[arctic talon]

are you talking about the wraith guard?

or thallax

[crystal forum]

thallax

[queen laurel]

It looks like a horrific process though

[crystal forum]

better than most ways to die in the imperium

plus if you kill enough stuff maybe khorn will want you or some shit

[arctic talon]

Tbh long as you keep killing

You’ll get pain killers

And the ordo reductor loves war

[queen laurel]

It doesn't have any pain numbing system

You're telling me it doesn't have any

Pain numbing system

My brother in christ

[crystal forum]

a reward system too, nice

might as well keep killing then

i do enjoy that activity

[arctic talon]

It’s meant to keep the thallax in pain and ready to fight

[queen laurel]

These things sound like they would belong to corn

Sheesh

[arctic talon]

The Ordo reductor is not known for being sane

Or kind

Or tolerating their enemies being alive

[dusk patrol]

They did make some dope ass mechs though

[crystal forum]

what's their health insurance policy

[green loom]

I think we might get ship levels

[queen laurel]

Repairs

To definitely keep you suffering

[green loom]

I'm like mostly convinced this is on the Battle Barge

[arctic talon]

You get healed and fixed

Always

Can’t be a good weapon if you can’t fight smh

[queen laurel]

They are definitely nailing the visual direction i can tell them that much

It looks pretty

[arctic talon]

Also you get to be around ordniatus’s

[crystal forum]

literally better treatment than being in the guard

this doesnt sound too bad

[arctic talon]

Tho you’d rather be a skitarii then a thallax lmao

[dusk patrol]

We know you go back to the Battle Barge between missions

[arctic talon]

Thallax are uh

Not having a good time

[dusk patrol]

So I wouldn’t be shocked if we do

Or if you can space walk a little

[arctic talon]

Unless you like to exclusively kill people

In which that case I’m sure you’d love being a thallax

[tough haven]

Kastellans are really cool to me

Just wanted to say that

[green loom]

Yeah but I mean we'll probably fight on it too

[dusk patrol]

Battlebarge probably gets boarded

[green loom]

Since we know it crashes

[arctic talon]

Ordo reductor don’t use kastellans

The only Cybernetica they use are thanatars

[crystal forum]

that is in fact the only thing i'd want to do if i was transported to 40k

[arctic talon]

Lol

[tough haven]

I know

I wasn’t reading what was being said

[crystal forum]

people be like "you wouldn't want to be in the warhammer setting"

[arctic talon]

Thanatar siege automata my beloved

[tough haven]

I just randomly posted that

[arctic talon]

Ah

[crystal forum]

okay but what if i enjoy WAR and DEATH and DESTRUCTION

[tough haven]

Are they still used? I thought they died out

[arctic talon]

They’re not allowed off planet

The only legio Cybernetica units that are banned from usage fully are castellax

[green loom]

Commissar/Russ spotting

[arctic talon]

Because too many uh

Didn’t follow orders

[crystal forum]

that's a vanquisher

the shitty new vanquisher

[green loom]

I wonder if that wheel thing is a thing for adjusting the turret or maybe it's towed artillery 🤔

[queen laurel]

Wait what's the classification of the castellan robot again and that thing

[crystal forum]

show me the muzzle

[queen laurel]

They both have the body shape

[crystal forum]

i think it might be

wait no

that's not an earthshaker right

[green loom]

It looks like one

I think

[queen laurel]

Seems like a generic artillery placement

[crystal forum]

holy shit im good

[tough haven]

Castellans are allowed only if a datasmith controls them, but according to books they have surprisingly high amounts of self awareness for a machine spirit

And a certain degree of autonomy in lieu of datasmith commands, as long as their objective is complete

[crystal forum]

i think i might be too invested in guard lore

[green loom]

Also crashed Barge

[crystal forum]

show me more cropped guard stuff to spot

i'm on a roll

[crystal forum]

mmmh

looks like more earthshaker mounts

but it could be those field cannons

[green loom]

Cherub spotting

[green loom]

I think these are regular earthshakers

[crystal forum]

fun fact earthshaker can be used as AA

the pak 88 of the 40k world

[green loom]

Not sure why the Victrix guard are here, maybe they're bodyguards for most captains?

Or maybe the shields are ceremonial

[crystal forum]

i wonder if we'll only see primaris stuff

[green loom]

We will

Or well

no

There's a Rhino in the same shot

[crystal forum]

the planet should have a ton of firstborn wrecks right

oh nice

[green loom]

Not really no

Also I like that the guard NPCs seemingly do actual damage

[dusk patrol]

They’re not necessarily victrix just honor guard

And they’re in all companies mostly

[wintry scarab]

Sucks that all the tacticus armour we see is mk10. God damn it, give us some other helmets! Im so sick of mk10 being the only one we see anymore 😦

[crystal forum]

in sm2?

there will be every kind of armour

[green loom]

I wouldn't be shocked if non Mk10 helmets were available for head cosmetics

But the rest of it will probably just be customized MkX

[dusk patrol]

They’re definitely gonna have a bunch of different helmets

And armor pieces

[wintry scarab]

Yeah probably. But not seen on npcs in the campaign. At lest from the trailers : (

[crystal forum]

this game is literally to please SM fanboys

there will be everything

[dusk patrol]

I mean yeah most marines have standard issue stuff

[green loom]

There's at least Armour variants among the traitors

[crystal forum]

i wonder how the customization will work for gravis and reaver armour

[crystal forum]

maybe we'll see some wacky new armour combos

[wintry scarab]

Im still also mad about no visor colours so far. If this is true, it will suck a lot.

[green loom]

You literally will never see the visor save for in char customization

[crystal forum]

that's like

the smallest thing

[queen laurel]

I just want mark 3 for my bulwark

If the game is good i'm might get it

[crystal forum]

you wanna larp as those mk3 shotgun shield models from HH?

[wintry scarab]

NO! I want my visor colours! Also, your blood angels and other chapters will look odd with red visors.

[queen laurel]

it's my favorite armor but i just like them

[green loom]

Not really

[crystal forum]

same brother

[wintry scarab]

Yeah, but i like my customization. Even if i cant see it half the time, i know its there and itll bother me.

[queen laurel]

And hey mark 3 armor is perfect for the shield class

[crystal forum]

i'd go with mk3 and bladeguard helmet

those two will go so well together

im not a fan of the choochoo charles mk3 helmet

[wintry scarab]

I disagree. This does not look like a blood angel without the green visor.

[green loom]

It'll probably be fine

[queen laurel]

I don't mind it i like the closer juggernaut knight aesthetic compared to the basic space marine helmet

[crystal forum]

it just looks offputting to me

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's understandable

[crystal forum]

like it's too long

the grill should be shorter

[wintry scarab]

Considering everything else, i dont see how they cant do a visor colour. Especially as i know im not the only one that this will bother when more realize its not an option.

[green loom]

In fairness they might

I mean remember

Last trailer they didn't have icons implemented lol

[queen laurel]

Ed the bulwarks use combat shields right

[green loom]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

bladeguard looks like a mk3 helmet but better, imo

[queen laurel]

Nice

[arctic talon]

Also there are visor colors

In the trailer

It’s just not shown off in customization

[wintry scarab]

I mean its a semi live service right? So, if i cry enough, im sure they might add it at some point. Hopefully.

[arctic talon]

The dif helmets have dif colors for visors

Just saying

[wintry scarab]

What? Where!?

[queen laurel]

Yeah but i think the reason why i don't like as much compared to the mk3 base helmet is because i prefer more heavy rougher designs that one looks a bit too smooth

In a bit more sleek for my taste

My preference for the brutal and heavy scrap design for the orks carries over

And the mk3 base just fills it in better

[crystal forum]

you're right, it's just the grill i prefer. plus the bladeguard helmet being on a hinge like an actual knight helmet looks so fucked to me

i dont like when space marines look too medieval

but i like the brutal HH armours

the mk3 redesign is cool

[wintry scarab]

If you were going to point this out, they are 2 diffirent helmets. Ones a sergeant and has green visors, the other is a normal marine.

[arctic talon]

Y’all blind smh

Wait

Oh

Lol

Nvm I see

[wintry scarab]

hehe

[arctic talon]

Fucks sake lol

[wintry scarab]

Got my hopes up 😦

[arctic talon]

Are you a MKV enjoyer?

[crystal forum]

it looks like a mk7 got stung by bees

im a mk6 and mk3 enjoyer

the beak is as medieval as i'll allow

[wintry scarab]

Can you tell what my fav helmet is lol? £10 for 10 of them. Worth every god damn penny.

[dusk patrol]

There is a 0% chance they somehow forgot to add the ability to change visor eyes

[wintry scarab]

Well here we are 😭

[queen laurel]

Hey eternal do you know the in universe name for the bulwark class

[dusk patrol]

Devastator for older stuff typically

For newer it varies

[queen laurel]

It's the one with the shield if that helps

[dusk patrol]

Oh that uh

Fuck me I can’t remember one sec

[green loom]

Bladeguard

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

That

[storm jungle]

My favorite thing with this helmet is how its always used by the most psychopathic marines

[dusk patrol]

Or honor guard depending

[green loom]

Ye

Pre Primaris it'd probably be honour guard

[queen laurel]

Alright sick

[green loom]

But the Bulwark is very specficially Bladeguard

[dusk patrol]

It’s not the same for all chapters and sometimes dudes just have that loadout without being a special thing for it

Yeah

[arctic talon]

MKV is for the most mentally derranged in 40k/j

[storm jungle]

ME

[green loom]

What's your most anticipated thing in lore

[dusk patrol]

Pictured: a calm and reasonable person

[queen laurel]

I do hope you can use bigger shields than the combat shield

Because this looks sick

[green loom]

Oh I mean we've literally seen that in game so

[queen laurel]

Oh cowabunga then

[arctic talon]

He was pretty calm and reasonable while sawing that guy in half ngl

[storm jungle]

god i hate that helmet

it constantly reminds me of Phoenix from Dirty Bomb

[dusk patrol]

I asked it and it doesn’t care much for you either

[storm jungle]

A lot like how nobody cares about Iron Hands too

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/who-gif-4519872

[storm jungle]

exactly

remove them from the setting at once

[green loom]

Goes kinda hard ngl

Medic ponchos....
Writing that one down for my guard regiment

[storm jungle]

Another shooter game that died in a few months that nobody remembers. Cool designs tho

[green loom]

Ye

[crystal forum]

bruh you didnt even ask me

[storm jungle]

Brink anyone????

[crystal forum]

it's heavy intercessors

[dusk patrol]

That’s cause he wanted a answer

[storm jungle]

WOW

[dusk patrol]

But no I’m not great with primaris names generally speaking

[crystal forum]

and i bought every type of gravis lol

[green loom]

That's the Heavy class

[crystal forum]

oh right

fuck me

[dusk patrol]

Yeah Jay

[dusk patrol]

Go sit in the corner

[storm jungle]

Shieldcessor

[crystal forum]

it's getting comfier every time

[green loom]

I love how the icons have repeated instances of Warhammer Shoulder syndrome

Meaning the shoulders are clipping like mad but they have to make it look good

[dusk patrol]

I do wonder how different assault and vanguard will feel

I’m assuming vanguard will have better guns

[green loom]

From the gameplay Vanguard looks like it'll be a middle ground between Tactical/Assault

[dusk patrol]

While assault will obviously be more mobile and melee boys

Vanguard will always probably have stuff which keeps them off the radar or whatever I bet

[green loom]

The snipers straight up have cloaking fields

[dusk patrol]

Auspex

[green loom]

I'm assuming Vanguard will play like a more versatile Tactical

[dusk patrol]

Cameleoline op

[green loom]

Versatile is the wrong word I think

[dusk patrol]

Yeah more a middle ground

[queen laurel]

Bulwark is the melee tank that supports the allies

[green loom]

Though maybe not if we mean it as like, melee/ranged hybrid

[queen laurel]

It even has a fancy banner you can put down

[dusk patrol]

Interccessor is gonna be the bread and butter versatile one probably

Curious how good heavy is gonna be

Feels weird to balance

[green loom]

They're probably going to be insanely good against the TS

[queen laurel]

I would also assume the bulwark is probably going to be in the middle of the swarm trying to get its attention

[green loom]

Because the iron halo negates ALL ranged damage apparently

[queen laurel]

And it's going to be dying a lot without proper support

[green loom]

Buff tank

Looks like

[queen laurel]

Yeah

[dusk patrol]

Yeah a lot of this stuff probably won’t be as good in PvP but amazing in the PvE stuff

[queen laurel]

I saw in the trailer it's entire job is keeping the team alive by taking the front of the assault

[queen laurel]

Yeah i hope at least when i play with randos they are decent

[dusk patrol]

Bulwark will probably be better for objective stuff

[green loom]

Randoms are never good

[queen laurel]

Unfortunately

But what can i say i don't have friends

[queen laurel]

Probably be very instrumental in a lot of games because it's going to be the damage sponge

Just from the horde numbers alone i can already see they are going to be the ones covered with a lot of blood most games

[crystal forum]

sniper class intrigues me

i wonder how that will work

[queen laurel]

They have literal invisibility cloaks

It's definitely going to be their positioning and aiming that they are going to take advantage of

And of course the insanely high damage of being a sniper

[wintry scarab]

Thats what i love about the vibe of that helmet mark. It just looks so damn evil. Not heroic or anything. Just deranged and evil. While the mk10 is just heroic imo

[crystal forum]

have you played SM1

i guess i should have asked this earlier

did SM1 have melee and ranged

[green loom]

Lascannon time

[green loom]

Yeah it had uhhhh

Tactical/Assault/Devastator

[crystal forum]

is the game going to be like darktide where melee is primary and ranged is secondsry

i hope not

[green loom]

Probably not

[crystal forum]

i wanna blast my way through hordes

[green loom]

It's at worst going to be like

Flipped

[crystal forum]

good

[green loom]

Where melee is a gimmick and range is a big thing

[crystal forum]

i'm glad

[green loom]

Class depending obv

[crystal forum]

that's the only thing that makes me not love darktide

but i wonder how sniper class will deal with hordes

[queen laurel]

Melee is definitely improved

I mean two of the classes literally rely on it

But i'm pretty sure it's going to be range that's going to take president

[crystal forum]

fuck yeah

again my minimum checklist for this game will be it looking cool, having good sfx and making me feel like a walking tank

having good gameplay is secondary

[wintry scarab]

i hope the sound is good. The first game play trailer had terrible sound. It sounded so broken.

[crystal forum]

the guard AI was also hilarious

in the first trailer

i dont expect this game to finally be the first great 40k game

[storm jungle]

"first great 40k game"

[crystal forum]

but people will talk about it for years

[storm jungle]

do you like

live under a rock

[arctic talon]

There’s a lot of good 40k games

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Smh

[crystal forum]

let me rephrase that

[storm jungle]

too late

off to alcatraz

get him

[crystal forum]

the first great 40k game that came out when i knew what 40k was

[green loom]

In fairness most good 40k games are pretty mid

[storm jungle]

BRUH MOMENT

[crystal forum]

most 40k games are mid

[green loom]

The greatest of all time is obviously Fire Warrior

[crystal forum]

good at best

not great level

great for me is like spectacular

[wintry scarab]

I mean even darktide, if you ignore all of the stuff around it, is a masterpiece. Everything. Sound, art, music, vibe, writing (mostly) is so damn 40k. Love it. Then you have the shop and... We will stop there

[crystal forum]

darktide is good but i wont call it great

personally at least

the sound design and stuff is great though

AAA level

[wintry scarab]

yeah, fair enough. But for me, i have 500 hours in it and still listen to the ost. You could say i very much like the game. Or liked i guess. Its gotten very stale./

[crystal forum]

i only ever played it for the gunplay and sound design

and like i said earlier it not being gun focused is what killed it for me

[storm jungle]

...seriously

i was expecting like, an actual good point

[crystal forum]

it's a melee focused game dilara

[storm jungle]

...

BECAUSE 40K LITERALLY IS HYBRID COMBAT

WHY DO YOU THINK EVERY FACTION HAS POINTY KNIVES

[crystal forum]

i have my preferences

[storm jungle]

silence Guard fan

also you do realise you will have to use melee in this game too right

[crystal forum]

i dont mind that

[storm jungle]

Okay but its literally the same principle.

[crystal forum]

i just want to be able to blast stuff with guns for most of the time

[wintry scarab]

I will side with dilara here. Its also a "tide" game.

[storm jungle]

^

This is like complaining a GTA game has driving in it

[crystal forum]

let me be clear i am not faulting the game for this

[storm jungle]

I know

Im just evil

[crystal forum]

this is my own personal opinion

[storm jungle]

personal opinion or memesonal opinion or not

banned

[green loom]

Darktide has a TON of faults

Mainly on the management/itemization front

[crystal forum]

what i'd fault the game for is dumb mechanics carried over from vermintide

[green loom]

The gameplay is pretty excellent though

[storm jungle]

"dumb mechanics" being?

[green loom]

It's literally just a nicer Vermintide on that end

[crystal forum]

i wont elaborate because i havent played in a while and i'm not sure how much the game has changed

[storm jungle]

damn it

[crystal forum]

it's a good game

[storm jungle]

now who will i harass online

[green loom]

me me me me

[storm jungle]

I really dont think it does. The shop and the crafting system are pretty much the only awful things about the game imo

its fanbase too but cough

[green loom]

Real

Ton of faults might be the wrong phrase, the game is just very much not perfect

[crystal forum]

itemization in this game is just funny. it's like they wanted a borderlands 2 but quit halfway

[green loom]

Dangerous to lose sight of problems sometimes

[storm jungle]

Yeah it was also very much rushed out the door

[wintry scarab]

Yeah. I know lol. I am not very happy with how the game has been going. But as ive said, if you ignore all of the "outside of mission" stuff, the game is very, very good. Very unique as well.

[storm jungle]

like the fingerprints for it are all over it

[green loom]

Same for Rogue trader

[storm jungle]

This is the best way to enjoy a tide game.

[crystal forum]

it really did suffer from poor release

[storm jungle]

alas

[crystal forum]

i dont want to fault the game for that because it's the greedy ass publisher's fault

[green loom]

Do you think they pushed both out to keep up with consistent releases?

[storm jungle]

Hard to tell

games get pushed out to release for the dumbest reasons

[crystal forum]

that's sadly the state of the industry

[green loom]

I feel like they might've, Darktide probably got proper rush, though Rogue Trader feels like they were just flat out given a short time frame to begin with

Because like

[crystal forum]

i expect it to be the same for SM2

[green loom]

Rogue Trader is considerably smaller scale than like, Wrath

[storm jungle]

the thing is darktide even if it launched perfectly would probably still have been lowered to at best 10k players before it constantly rose with each update.

A thing people forget is horde shooters that have in-depth features are not too popular for a reason.

Helldivers also launched and broke 800k and now it sits at like 40k players since everyone got burnt out and left.

and everyone is saying "game is dead"

lmao

[crystal forum]

the pop loss is legit insane

[storm jungle]

YEP

[wintry scarab]

Because my brain is the size of a pea, all the reading in rogue trader got so damn tedious. The fact i had to stop my second monitor playing skibidi toilet every 3 seconds to read a bible was not very fun 😦 Even though i had a good time with it and should really go back to it.

[crystal forum]

the discord was impossible to read a couple months ago

now it's so empty

[green loom]

Insane, but neither unexpected or unusual

[storm jungle]

WHAT IN TARNATION

[green loom]

It's literally cyclical like

[storm jungle]

ACTUAL warzone

lmao

[crystal forum]

whatever, it's just how fads go

[storm jungle]

pretty much

you get harrassed for saying its gonna happen or a hater

then turn out right lol

[crystal forum]

what i find dumb is when people act like the sudden extreme fame is purely due to good gameplay or something

[storm jungle]

^

[crystal forum]

like it's mostly luck to have that much popularity

[green loom]

I mean the exact thing that happened with Helldivers happened with Among Us, Lethal Company
The only game that came out of the rush and is still going is Fortnite because it's got insane marketing and active support

[storm jungle]

YEP

[crystal forum]

companies would do ANYTHING to replicate that popularity

[green loom]

Also it's ALWAYS some sort of party/coop g ame

[storm jungle]

entirely yeah

its always keeping up with the fads

[crystal forum]

it's becoming a trend isnt it

[green loom]

Because coincidentally stuff that lets you play with your friends considerably heightens enjoyment of stuff in spite of flaws

[crystal forum]

and you can notice even the memes carry over

it's like the industry is starting to shift towards fads

[green loom]

It's just a very simple cycle

[wintry scarab]

I mean tbf, those games may not be as big as they once were, but they are still banging numbers. Even god damn palworld still is.

[crystal forum]

if feels more extreme than before

[green loom]

It's been fads for like... 10 years

more

[crystal forum]

i dont remember it being this crazy before

even among us wasnt this extreme

[green loom]

Did you miss the insane shooter craze lol

[crystal forum]

which one

[green loom]

The like.... 4 that happened between 2003-14

[crystal forum]

ed were you even born

i was a child

[green loom]

in 2003 yeah

Thankfully we have the ever useful tool of da internet

But like it's always been a thing right

Something comes up, explodes in popularity
Almost always multiplayer or coop

[crystal forum]

i dont want to sound like i know anything but industry is definitely taking notes from this

[green loom]

COD, MOBAs, Hearthstone-esque card games

[crystal forum]

maybe the future of AAA is coop games

[green loom]

Arena shooters

etc. etc.

[crystal forum]

actually wait

SM2 will have coop

[wintry scarab]

yeah

[crystal forum]

i wonder if that's a result of this trend

[wintry scarab]

Well, the first one had 2 companions you would have. It seems like a natural evolution to have them be playable now. But i may be wrong. Idk

[crystal forum]

we'll see how fleshed out it is

might just be a tacked on shitty gamemode

[green loom]

Because SM1 most certainly did not have CooP

[crystal forum]

did it?

[green loom]

It did yes

Was called Exterminatus

[crystal forum]

oh i didnt know

[wintry scarab]

it had the mp mode that was coop

[green loom]

Also like

The main campaign is up to 3 players coop

[crystal forum]

i cant buy a 10 year old game for 70$

that's like spitting in my face

[wintry scarab]

G2A. THe steam page is a scam

I got it for £5

While steam wanted £70

Also, the multiplayer is still somewhat alive. You can still find games fairly quick.

[green loom]

They re-released the "Anniversary" edition which is just the base game with all the DLC and sold it for big cash lmao

[shadow plover]

FUCK G2A, really. Anything but that site

[crystal forum]

does it sell steam keys

[green loom]

Almost certainly related to this weird sequel thing they're apparently making

[shadow plover]

it sells stolen keys

[crystal forum]

i should use G2A more often

[wintry scarab]

Yeah, but what jerk o matic said

[crystal forum]

how do they steal keys

[wintry scarab]

I still use it once in a blue moon though. To get older games

[crystal forum]

stolen accounts?

[shadow plover]

stealing credit card info, buying keys and selling them forwards before they're refunded

[crystal forum]

oh stolen credit cards right

[green loom]

Just use GOG for that lmao

[crystal forum]

oh right

scummy shit

[shadow plover]

yeah G2A and anyone supporting them deserves the noose

[green loom]

GOG has insane discounts pretty much on the regular

[wintry scarab]

Gulp

[crystal forum]

mfw i got scammed out of a csgo knife once

that's when i learned to never trust anybody

i think it would be worth 600$ today

[wintry scarab]

oof

[crystal forum]

yeah

really stupid scam too

i was a moron

at least it's not real money, just intangible steam money

[wintry scarab]

Im pretty sure there are sites that let you sell for real money, no?

[crystal forum]

as far as i know they're super sketchy

since there's 0 incentive for a buyer to use them other than illegal money

[wintry scarab]

I mean yeah prob. I only know csgo stuff from youtuber adds (and if theres one rule on youtube, "if your favourite creator is saying its good and getting payed, that thing is the devil. Run.") and my cousin is like some professional csgo player or some shit. Ikd.

[crystal forum]

also steam's stance on scammers is literally to do nothing

you can report them and of course you'll never have your item returned but they also straight up will never do anything to the scammer either

[wintry scarab]

lol

[crystal forum]

why they can't return the item is probably more infuriating to think about than i want to admit since they control the entire process and money exchange

[snow fern]

Valve does jack about their bots and scammers like at all, "treadmill work"

[crystal forum]

but alas

i like to believe i'm past this event

[snow fern]

I'm thinking of running a pot to see how long Deadlock lasts before the bots take over, I'm saying 2 weeks

[crystal forum]

they just dont care

[wintry scarab]

Your situation is like that one apple guy that sold his shares for nothing and when ppl ask him if he regrets it, he says "no he dosnt think about it" if he did, he'd off himself lol.

[crystal forum]

and it's kinda annoying that they never got punished for basically starting the whole child gambling thing

i was a child and i was gambling with boxes

[snow fern]

Granted TF2 and CS are M rated games

But any game with crates like that should be Ao, cause that's totally gambing adjacent

[wintry scarab]

Im sure the age authentication could use a bit of work though.

[crystal forum]

100%

[snow fern]

indeed

[crystal forum]

i stole my parent's credit card to buy tf2 boxes when i was 14

i dont even find that embarasing anymore

it's straight up incentivized

[wintry scarab]

I had a friend that spent £200 on skyrim stuff after stealing his moms credit card. I was a good boy and never did anything like that 🙂

[crystal forum]

damn

[snow fern]

EA should be charged for what they get up to in FIFA and Madden

[crystal forum]

it was only like 40$ for me but i felt so guilty

the only good thing to come out of that is i know exactly what gambling feels like now

and i learned to not trust it

[wintry scarab]

Dude, that shit is nuts. Literally illegal stuff but its a videogame so government just does not care. Or they have some pretty good insider people keeping this afloat so no laws pass.

[crystal forum]

and lawmakers care about violence

but not this shit

[wintry scarab]

we do live in a society.

[crystal forum]

triple A companies got flak for it a while ago so you dont see boxes anymore in call of duty at least

now they have season passes and stuff

still no laws though

[wintry scarab]

I mean even recently, you had a game be banned in some places just because it was gambling themed. But you still have fifa and stuff and thats fine just because it looks like football. Depressing shit. The fact that most people in the UK literally only play cod and fifa is depressing.

[snow fern]

I heard Games Workshop was giving out money to their staff cause they were doing so well.
Funny to think about considering all the nonsense outrage over the lady Custodian.

GW makes more money for Britian than their fishing lol

[wintry scarab]

I mean even if i think 70% of that outrage was very ridiculous, i will say. GW just saying that "its always been like this" kinda rubbed me the wrong way. Didnt like that response. Felt almost like teasing.

[snow fern]

It was a lame response, but I think most of the outrage was just a handful of people upset that women exist

[wintry scarab]

I mean yeah. I saw some people being pissed off at just the fact that its a woman. Very strange folk. I also heard that when the imperial guard got women, people were pissed off. Like what lol? For the most basic galactic military to have women in it makes more than perfect sense lol.

[snow fern]

You're expecting logic and reasoning from people that are utterly detached from such things.

[wintry scarab]

as ive been interacting more and more with the internet for like the past 2 years, its made me realize at how many of the people that ive heard of on youtube are actually real. Scary stuff.

For nearly my whole life ive just been a spectator on the internet

[snow fern]

Asmongold, why is there not a app to just delete his channel from ever appearing

[wintry scarab]

Have you seen his house lol?

Also seeing stuff like this on steam. How can you take a title like this seriously. It sounds like a meme.

[crystal forum]

dedicated gambling games have definitely taken over the older demographic

[snow fern]

yes I'm aware, I hate everything about him, I want to purge the knowledge of his existence from my head

[crystal forum]

i have no idea why old people fall for this stuff

[snow fern]

lead poisoning and an unwillingness to understand modern things

[crystal forum]

they should know better

[snow fern]

I mean geez it was in their water and their walls

[wintry scarab]

Because they are in a constant state of decay and their brains are rotting. Most of them have lost sentience and act like dogs.

[snow fern]

what was that obsession with lead even about

[crystal forum]

it doesnt corrode

i think

it's plumbing shit

now everything should be PVC

[young pecan]

Copious amounts of stimulation re-awaken the elders' minds

https://youtu.be/U9b4YwZP5uM?si=n13gyg-Sf2cIthlU

[wintry scarab]

I saw this video on the shitter today and was nearly crying

[snow fern]

Also like, this is the first generation in basically millennia that doesn't have a crippling alcoholism problem

[crystal forum]

i will never understand that statistic

[wintry scarab]

Well we better get on it boys!

[crystal forum]

logically alcoholism should go up since we're all depressed

but i guess we're just better informed

[snow fern]

Decent alcohol is outa our price range too

Priced outa life, write it on my headstone

[wintry scarab]

Also, the more i think about it, i think thats just rage bait. And i fell for it

[crystal forum]

it could be both

[young pecan]

The pros of growing up in this time period:
-Better access to mental health resources
The cons of growing up in this time period:
-You're gonna need those resources

[crystal forum]

also not having access because now everybody uses it

[young pecan]

Or let yourself be numb and mentally washed like a lot of people also do

[crystal forum]

yup

do get help if you can

i recommend from experience

[young pecan]

Remember kids, succumbing to the horrors is cringe, hope is awesome

[wintry scarab]

A bit random but speaking of mental health, my mother recently came into my room and started talking about the "illuminates". How on earth did this person manage to raise a child, I will never know.

Its some alien species or some shit btw

Oh, wait. Thats some helldivers 2 shit. It was called something else that i cant remember. Some "alien coming down to earth to save the christians" type shit.

[crystal forum]

damn

[young pecan]

That is

I'm not quite sure what to say about that

I hope she does better for herself

[wintry scarab]

I mean i meant it in more of a comedic way. As long as shes happy and isnt hurting anyone, she can do whatever she wants.

[winter vessel]

“Aliens coming down to earth to save the Christians”, new world preachers are filled with a bunch of wackos

[shell mason]

Trivia time

Iyo what would be the prefect way to kill Lucius?

[outer wave]

My caca

[storm jungle]

Boring answer but hes basically impossible to kill

He can come back simply because Slaanesh wills it, he has literal in-universe plot armor.

[shell mason]

Give this a guy medal

[storm jungle]

[outer wave]

LETS GOOOO

[outer wave]

Boulder

[shell mason]

B r u h

[outer wave]

Not even anyone causing an explosion, just tentonic plates movement

[storm jungle]

Have you read some of the ways he has respawned

[shell mason]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Which ones

[arctic talon]

Slaanesh doesn’t care how he dies

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Lucius’s suffering

Is what’s entertaining

Lucius is so insanely frustrated everytime he dies

[shell mason]

Stepped on a landmine and still came back

[storm jungle]

YEP

Thats how fucking bullshit his power is

again, literal plot armor

[shell mason]

My idea is through kharn the betrayer

[outer wave]

My idea is dont kill him, just keep him trapped in a C'tan shard prison-like thing

[shell mason]

He won't take pride in it and won't come back due to khornes influence

[storm jungle]

He'd manifest out of Kharn and Kharn then would also get respawned by khorne.

[outer wave]

They'd fuse together to become Luciharn

[arctic talon]

Slaanesh would prolly just clone him 💀

[shell mason]

Do you really think Khornes would let slannesh bitch him like that?

[arctic talon]

They’d fight over it

Lol

[shell mason]

Exactly

[arctic talon]

Either way

Lucius is gona come back

All the chaos gods greatest mortal followers are most likely immortal

Ahriman is the only one we’re unsure about

[storm jungle]

Probably. They are both like kindergarteners playing with their favorite toys.

[shell mason]

My main bet would be just beating him to death with barehanded then hanging yourself with your own entrails and have everyone that knows you get their memories wiped

[storm jungle]

Okay but that still doesnt work

There is no solution.

[arctic talon]

^

[outer wave]

Tbf thats every chaos god

[storm jungle]

He will come back

[arctic talon]

Lucius will always come back

That’s the thing

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

Slaanesh thinks

[shell mason]

This guy

[arctic talon]

It’s funny as shit

[shell mason]

isn't springtrap

[storm jungle]

he is

lol

[shell mason]

stop it

[arctic talon]

He’s the fucking upgrade

Smh

[storm jungle]

If its not someone having pride then its Slaanesh straight up respawning him. Its the literal lore.

[shell mason]

go to jail

[storm jungle]

[outer wave]

The best way is to legit trap him

[arctic talon]

Lucius could die to a black hole

[storm jungle]

its why every kind of "how to kill lucius" plan fails

[arctic talon]

And he’d prolly pop up fine

In the eye of terror

Or great rift

[shell mason]

Wait in Aos slannesh is imprisoned right?

[storm jungle]

For now

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But they’re getting out

Thanks morathi

[storm jungle]

Girlboss problems

💅

[shell mason]

gross

with yo nasty ass toes

[storm jungle]

💀

[outer wave]

Toes?! 👃

[shell mason]

Those are toes bro

[storm jungle]

t-

they are fingernails

[shell mason]

whole fucking foot

[storm jungle]

💀

[shell mason]

Get out of here

[outer wave]

Huh theres no actual toe emoji

[storm jungle]

Does this look like a fucking foot to you

lmao

[outer wave]

Chimpanzee foot

[shell mason]

🦶

[storm jungle]

[outer wave]

THATS A FOOT

[shell mason]

brother

[storm jungle]

[outer wave]

👃 🦶

[shell mason]

AND WHAT DOES A FOOT HAVES

TOES

[outer wave]

IM TALKING SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE TOES

NOT THE FOOT

FUCK THE FOOT I WANT THE TOES

[shell mason]

👣

[outer wave]

https://tenor.com/view/pete-the-deer-datsun-datsy-foxclaw-pete-gif-25319324

[shell mason]

BEHOLD TOES

[outer wave]

Give.

[shell mason]

You sicko

[outer wave]

Give it to me, your toes.

Anyway that bit aside uh yeah Lucius is hard to put down

[shell mason]

@storm jungle can we get this a stick plz?

[storm jungle]

N-No