40k-lore-chat

[hallow plover]

But sadly they were named by a manchild and a guy with no personality

[outer wave]

No personality, no hands, no head

[hallow plover]

Feelsbad

[outer wave]

Why is Ferrus Manus considered to have no personality anyway? Was he given very little?

[hallow plover]

He died too soon in the books

So they couldn't devellop him more I would guess

[outer wave]

Coulda done post mortem character development

[storm jungle]

LOL

too soon

[hallow plover]

Tell that to Abnett

[wintry scarab]

How the hell do chaos space marines work? Like i have no clue how they really function. Like normal khorn followers, do they come back when they die? Is it the same marines that turned coats during the heresy?

[outer wave]

Some might but they'd have to be highly blessed to get gifts like that. Some are also the same marines from the Heresy, but many aren't.

[outer wave]

I mean it! You could have characters be like "Man, Ferrus always loved his ice cream chocolate dipped..." and shit

[hallow plover]

He only loved his forge and Fulgrim

[storm jungle]

That is incredibly broad question

you gotta be more specific drengbarazi

[hallow plover]

And the only dipped thing were his arms

[outer wave]

He now likes chocolate dipped ice cream!

He goes to the icecream man to get his sons a cone

[hallow plover]

Anyways, everyone will be back for the warhammer 50k final fight (OC written by dan abnett)

[storm jungle]

you joke but it will happen

every primarch returning dips us more and more into the MCU-ification of this setting and i hate it

[wintry scarab]

Basically, how do we still have so many chaos space marines? Do they just get reborn or are first born and primaris falling to chaos to get them new troops?

[outer wave]

I don't think they could bring back Ferrus or Jorus

I'm calling him Jorus now

[storm jungle]

Because space marines are extremely fallible and can fall to chaos on a whim + traitor legions recruit

there is no respawning unless you're a daemon prince or a special character

and Traitor Marine hosts arent galaxy encompassing, just like loyalist Chapters, they are numerous but nowhere near as say imperial guard regiments and so on

[wintry scarab]

Traitor legions recruit? As in they make their own marines?

[storm jungle]

Yes

[wintry scarab]

Oh

[storm jungle]

They steal geneseed or implant their own ones into recruits

and like... id say theirs is more barbaric but like

you've seen how some loyalist legions recruit

kids getting torn apart by machine gun fire

[queen laurel]

All right you wrestle this fire breathing dragon that can destroy our city and if you can beat it on the next trial you're going to fight godzilla

[wintry scarab]

idk why chaos just making their own marines never came to my mind. Makes sense i guess.

[storm jungle]

Yeah theirs is more uhhh "Detroit" fashion wise

Some got it down to a T like the Death Guard who are still coherent and act as a proper legion, others straight up raid loyalist marine strongholds for geneseed.

Basically the more uncoordinated the warbands get (which isnt saying much) the more loose or non-existant their recruiting methods will be

[outer wave]

Would this imply World Eaters are one of the few that don't actively recruit?

[storm jungle]

They do recruit

Their butcher-surgeons are one of the few coherent members in some warbands that actively do the implantation process

OR

Just kidnap loyalist marines and install the butcher's nails into their head

[outer wave]

I don't see how the latter suddenly turns you to chaos

[hallow plover]

Recently in lore they corrupted everyone in a wide area due to some shenanigans I dont remember

[outer wave]

Or well I do but idk that doesn't quite add up

[queen laurel]

and then there was the genius warpsmith honsou who was so good at traumatizing the fans

[orchid lark]

It used to be a thing where we think in general that

Theres a lot of chaos marines

[storm jungle]

You literally get brainwashed and go braindead-berserk and just want to kill shit.

Ripe corruption material

[orchid lark]

But the truth is that theres a lot of chaos forces because the cultists make up a bulk of it

[storm jungle]

Thats the Murder Curse which is a localized disaster from Angron destroyign a DAOT psychic device

affected an entire indomitus fleet

[orchid lark]

We still havent gotten over the bump of, an imperial force is Space Marines + Imperial Guards

Its either the Sword or the Hammer

Both of them at the same time?

Impossible

[orchid lark]

This was Battlefleet 6 or Battlefleet 4?

I know Battlefleet 7 is like super super secretive

[storm jungle]

Quartus, not sure which that is in greek

[orchid lark]

Battlefleet 2 is all the religious zealotry at

4

[storm jungle]

yep googled, 4th

[orchid lark]

Dumbass

Quarter

[storm jungle]

[orchid lark]

Wish they did more with the battlefleets

But like enough for us to inject our guys into it

[storm jungle]

No

(:

take your slop and be content

[orchid lark]

I mean

I am

[storm jungle]

are you

[orchid lark]

I got an entire homebrew battlegroup for battlefleet 6

Content as a clam

[storm jungle]

Maybe its all in your brain-box

[orchid lark]

Its where all my imperial blorbos go to

Vs all my chaos blorbos in an entire sector

I made my own Nachmund Gauntlet

With blackjack and hookers

[hallow plover]

Okay... i'll start the HH tonight then...

[queen laurel]

She said slop not psychological torture

there is a difference there mate there is a difference

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[hallow plover]

Is there?

Too much slop becomes torture

[queen laurel]

god dammit he is too deep into with the horse heresy

pass me the shotgun i'm gonna put him out of his misery

[hallow plover]

I am too deep even at book 0

Stare into the heresy series and it stare backs into you

Is Terra before the heresy an actual nice place to be? Because it's a shithole in M42

[storm jungle]

Terra has been a shithole since the Age of Strife

the Emperor had some plans to save and expand out from some of the VEEERY few zones that had a little bit of greenery and other stuff left but the Siege basically more or less destroyed the entire planet.

post-30k the only thing that increased to make it even worse was just the entire surface of the planet becoming a single city

[hallow plover]

I've started Vaults of Terra and they go hard on describing the marvelous life of a regular Terran

[orchid lark]

Terra is so bad that im pretty sure anything good on it was imported from destroying paradise worlds

[storm jungle]

Yeah its amazing description-wise

[storm jungle]

Yep the Vaults of Terra book says this too

"Terra doesnt create, it consumes."

[orchid lark]

Terra is like me

Fr fr

Insert Pearl Jam - Do the Evolution song here

[storm jungle]

lmao

dated reference but i approve

[orchid lark]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-lau-laughing-laughing-skull-gif-25226833

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/dotheevolution-typing-working-gif-9729181

[orchid lark]

DATED REFERENCE

[hallow saddle]

Fabulous Bill even makes primaris chaos marines at this point too

[hallow plover]

And the description of the landscape with the religious vox blaring 24/7 and all the shitty toil makes me think of the WB occupied planet in the first WB book

[storm jungle]

LMAO

That is the perfect comparison yeah

[hallow plover]

It's all for ((Him))

[storm jungle]

he is Him™️

[outer wave]

Yeah I get that but that doesn't mean you automatically serve chaos. It makes you more vulnerable to it of course, but you don't just turncoat

[storm jungle]

You do when it literally overturns your mind

this is implanted by chaos marine surgeons ontop of that

[outer wave]

Erm I say nay nay

[storm jungle]

they are aware of what to do to rewire said things

[outer wave]

Just rewire brain back

THEY HAVE THE TECHNOLOGY FOR THIS

[queen laurel]

yo say nay nay they lobotomize your brain

[outer wave]

Yeah I would and the Butcher-Surgeon will politely allow me to leave

[queen laurel]

i know you have that human spirit cringe or whatever but brain lobotomy is something you cannot just shrug off

[outer wave]

You said can!

You originally said can!

[queen laurel]

point out my mistake again and i'll cave in your teeth with my ******* hands

[outer wave]

Ergo I win!

[queen laurel]

fuckin mob reject

[outer wave]

Good I don't wanna be in that show anyway

Anyway very true

Lobotomy corp generally would be hard to do much of anything

[queen laurel]

Very well I shall torture you even further

You will now be forced to read every single Dan abnett book in the span of five days and if you do not read it you will be forcefully turned into a normal human being

[outer wave]

NOOOOOO--

I still don't know how I feel about space magic lobotomy making you evil suddenly but this is also a setting with no nuance so

Now that I think about it, do traitor guardsmen get the nails?

[orchid lark]

No

The very worshipping of khorne is enough to make them mad and crazy

[orchid lark]

You also dont get a say in how radiation poisons you

It seeps into you whether you like it or not

[celest dome]

Nail tech is so savage that normal human usually don't survive them

[raven stone]

…did the latest Necromunda PDF just outright introduced demonic possessed weapons into the Hive wars lol

[tough haven]

Fr, death needs to be permanent for the majority of characters, im ok with some coming back, like maybe 1-2 more, but they can’t all mguffin their way back into life

But that won’t happen bc from a marketing standpoint if you bring back another one then the sm fans who didn’t get their father back will whine and complain and we know gw listens to sm/imperium the most so they’ll get it (mostly because it’ll will get them more money)

[dusk patrol]

I want them all back because it makes you guys mad

And this fuels me

Bring back all

Dead alive

Also the lost primarchs

Alternative universe primarchs

Fanfic primarchs

[celest dome]

Yes

[raven stone]

Inquisition gangs in Necromunda when

[celest dome]

THE BLACK VOMITUS
SCOURER OF FLESH
THE BLOODFINGERS

[raven stone]

That and the weapon descriptions are all sus

[celest dome]

Oh ye

[tough haven]

I mean I don’t really care, I’ll just ignore them or just barely acknowledge like I do for 90% of space marine lore

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

I’ll send it to you

[storm jungle]

BRUH

[dusk patrol]

Gonna spam your dms and emails with it

[viral halo]

[hallow plover]

They're not dead, just missing!

You will like your Corvus raven warp abomination model

[celest dome]

If the loyalist Primarch return, I want them to be treated as Greater Daemon and become immortal
And become the target of untold death to prop up new characters
Avatar of Khaine treatment

[dusk patrol]

Unironically the Imperium does need more characters who can die like that and come back

[hallow plover]

Guilliman's return sacrifice was the firstborn (all hail the Primaris)

What about Lion

[storm jungle]

They got plot armor, they dont need to respawn

they can stick to their own lane

[dusk patrol]

They need respawn so they don’t need plot armor

Because that’s the alternative

[tough haven]

Ok but some of them literally died

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-no-one-really-gone-smh-gif-19365070

[storm jungle]

💀

[tough haven]

The primarchs I would see come back are exclusively the minor ones, I don’t just want to see Horus heresy showdown part 2, electric boogaloo

Like I would be ok with like vulkan and the khan coming back

[dusk patrol]

Russ is almost certainly next

After that idk

[tough haven]

Secondly I’d like to see a podcast with the two of them titled that

[queen laurel]

you can respawn and is basically overpowered

Bad news you're

[dusk patrol]

Khan imo is one of the most boring to come back unless they drastically change him

[tough haven]

See I like space wolves and Russ as a concept but I hate how it was executed

[queen laurel]

enjoy being reduced to a plot device bozo

[dusk patrol]

Good

[tough haven]

Is that a tyranid or daemon?

[dusk patrol]

Everyone the Swarmlord gets killed offscreen it fuels me

[storm jungle]

bruh

its a tyranid

💀

[queen laurel]

it's the swarmlord

it's literally the perfect creation of the hive mind

[tough haven]

Bro I don’t know ‘nid lore

[storm jungle]

ITS NOT LORE

[tough haven]

They eat people

[storm jungle]

LITERALLY LOOK AT IT

[dusk patrol]

Don’t know any lore smh

[tough haven]

That’s all I need to know

[queen laurel]

It's literally the main character of the bugs

[dusk patrol]

But yeah it’s the only real Nid character

Old One Eye doesn’t count

Swarmlords purpose is mostly just to change Nid tactics on a war front they’re having an issue with

[queen laurel]

I mean death leaper could be also pretty good because he does have his own unique model

[dusk patrol]

He’s a consistent separate mind

[queen laurel]

Unlike old one eye who's literally just a carnifex with a special head mold that is missing a piece

[tough haven]

I’ll say it, I don’t want dorn to come back

[dusk patrol]

Ok

That was always allowed

[tough haven]

We already have a tactics and rigor coded primarch come back, we don’t need another one

[queen laurel]

I do find it funny that the hive mind looked at Zoro from one piece and said hell yeah

[tough haven]

Sorry I’m just used to being publicly flogged for expressing an opinion on the internet lol

[dusk patrol]

Tbh I mostly don’t care if most come back, if they do and it’s done well great if not idc

Russ definitely is gonna

Others idk

[storm jungle]

Can we just focus on characters that arent Space Marines But Bigger

[queen laurel]

Ohh buddy here you don't have to worry we will listen to your opinion and then beat you to death depending on your answer

[tough haven]

I accept that it doesn’t matter what I want because it’s all money driven

[storm jungle]

basically this

[dusk patrol]

As soon as those goobers start making some

[storm jungle]

slop

[tough haven]

Primarchs are really fucking boring

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/money-motherfuckin-motherfucking-gif-16238175

[storm jungle]

They are prob the most overrated part of the setting

every primarch is gonna come back anyway tho because money

so doesnt really matter

[tough haven]

Oh yay, it’s just if each chapter had a personification

But they really cranked it up to be annoying

[dusk patrol]

Mfer you don’t even know what a Nid looks like

[tough haven]

Alright man, that’s fair, allow me explain my reasoning

[celest dome]

And those that "can't" will have a replacement (eg: Sanguinus -> Sanguinor, or Dante)

[queen laurel]

and you're as basic as ultramar shut up

[dusk patrol]

Ultramar isn’t even basic

It’s hilariously unconventional

The real irony of the Ultramarines is how they’re not codex compliant

[plush mason]

dont kid yourself, GW will just pull some half assed excuse out of their asses as to why Sanquinus was reborn

[dusk patrol]

I doubt it

We’ll see but I seriously doubt he’s ever coming back

Maybe a juiced up Sanguinor

Or something like that

[tough haven]

For some odd reason I saw the blue tones and thought it was some kind of daemon/nid hybrid, don’t ask me why

[dusk patrol]

Too late

Canceled

[tough haven]

But I also kinda thought that’d be cool

[queen laurel]

so Leandros was a bitch

[plush mason]

yeah that wouldnt sell as well as a full on Sanquinus mini

[tough haven]

Jokes on you, I was never renewed for another season

[dusk patrol]

Tbh it probably would

GW understands the value in their narrative also

There’s a reason they’re spacing out the primarchs and doing it slowly and with a build

And not just churning one out after the next

[dusk patrol]

Basically

They might still do a Sanguinius model but I personally doubt it

[tough haven]

Like they really couldn’t be like “yeah the emperor just engineered a blueprint for each space marine legion with certain traits to take on a bunch of threats” they had to be like “yeah first he made a big space marine, and effectively cloned offshoots of him that are offshoots of the emperor to make space marines with different traits”

[dusk patrol]

They’re definitely gonna do a new siege model for him though

And fuck does he need it

His current heresy model sucks

[rocky gale]

Wait, so the new AoS Community post has confirmed that Iron Jawz are a seperate faction from the Kruleboyz, but their rules will come together in a pack and the Iron Jawz aren't currently getting a Spearhead box, but will get one later.

[queen laurel]

Well that seems

Weird

[outer wave]

That's different!

[queen laurel]

They're already separated lore wise right so why bother

You're probably not going to play krule boyz if you're going to op for iron jawz

So why are they getting a mixed pack

Sometimes i am a bit confused by way of gw thinking

[crystal forum]

can you imagine not owning a lasgun

i support the right to bear lasarms

[gray umbra]

true

a las shot a day keeps the tyranids away

[crystal forum]

also

i just need to remind everybody that a box of primaris intercessors directly from GW store costs the same as pre purchasing SM2

at least in my region

can we just

realize how fucking batshit that is

[dusk patrol]

Own a laslock for home defense, since that's what the Emperor intended. Four heretics break into my house. "What the Throne?" As I grab my powdered psywig and laslock rifle. Blow a regicide piece sized hole through the first man, he's dead on the spot. Draw my grav pistol on the second man, miss him entirely because it's scattershot and nails the neighbors servo skull, crushing it. I have to resort to the plasma cannon mounted at the top of the stairs loaded with increased power, "Tally ho lads" the plasma cannon shreds two men in the blast, the sound and splash set off skimmer alarms. Fix chain bayonet and charge the last terrified rapscallion. He bleeds out waiting on the Enforcers to arrive since serrated chain bayonet wounds are impossible to stitch up. Just as the Emperor intended.

[hallow plover]

All that to defend a 10 square meters hab-block

[crisp heath]

ultramar is REALLY wacky

[green loom]

Guh??

Didn't know one of these were in the game

[storm jungle]

Yep its in one of the concept artworks for the game

[green loom]

I just found it on the Ark

[plush mason]

the fact its on Sister Argenta is just so fitting imo

so what are sentinel worlds?

[dusk patrol]

Similar to fortress worlds

Lynchpin worlds basically

Cadia would have qualified

Fortress Worlds but more important basically

[plush mason]

ok

[celest dome]

Fortress Worlds can resist on their own (usually), Sentinel World are weaker and will need help more often than not

[dusk patrol]

Vigilus is the only example given currently

It’s high priority worlds at key areas

[plush mason]

wait so the ghoul stars gave the nids PTSD?

[crystal forum]

what's funny about fortress worlds is even though they're treated as being common we barely find any in stories

[dusk patrol]

They’re not that common

[plush mason]

oh so the ghoul stars is where the only C'tan to actually die well died

that honestly explains a lot i think

[green loom]

I wonder if there's a sororitas helmet anywhere in game

[dusk patrol]

I’m pretty sure there is

[celest dome]

In RT or DT ?

[green loom]

RT

[crystal forum]

we just barely see any being used in stories. like you'd think krieg would be considered a fortress world right

or valhalla

[green loom]

It's likely because fortress worlds are literally just Fortresses and little else

Not a lot of narrative material save for there being a strategically important fight

[crystal forum]

they make good "imperium go boom" targets

stuff that seems super strong but gets curb stomped by chaos because grimdark decay

[storm jungle]

Krieg is covered with nuclear wastelands

theres barely any fortresses on its surface since its not a world made to prepare against any invasion

[green loom]

Man playing iconoclast gives you so many allies lol

[crystal forum]

but all the population lives in underground bunkers right?

[storm jungle]

Yep

[crystal forum]

invading krieg would be an extremely difficult task because of all the stuff that happened to it

but it's not considered a fortress world

[green loom]

Because it's not a fortress

[crystal forum]

what makes cadia different

or, made, i guess

is it the strategic location of the world?

[green loom]

Probably reasons for founding too

Krieg isn't particularly desired or defensible

[crystal forum]

i'd say it's desired as a strategic target

it's like a forge world but for manpower

[storm jungle]

Because its cities are literally designed to be fortresses

every store, house, living/merchant quarter is thick concrete blocks with murder holes and machine gun nests or made/built avaliable to be one

[storm jungle]

And it would not be extremely difficult, its just a nuked world

the resistance would be high but thats kind of it, Krieg are good at laying siege, not at defensive duties especially in their shithole of a planet

[crystal forum]

lol

they mad because they're from a shithole

[leaden pilot]

I mean, the fighting in the bunkers would probably be extremely brutal as any any fight with long sightlines and little cover

[crystal forum]

on the flipside i bet they wouldn't flinch at nuking their own world again

since the surface is already so fucked up

[storm jungle]

If its human on human fighting sure

if its anything like CSM it would be a slaughter

Vraks showcased this in-detail

[crystal forum]

what about valhalla

less talked about in lore but very similar

everybody lives in big bunker cities

surface is unlivable

[storm jungle]

They live in underground ice caverns

and actually got a reason for it thats sensible

[leaden pilot]

Yeah probably
They would need to use a lot of lascannons and shit to make it work against CSM

[crystal forum]

they're also really good at killing orks

[storm jungle]

Armageddon moment

[crystal forum]

it was too warm for them

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986935709569011722/1240484595829571614/Armageddon_Dreaming.mp4?ex=66738dce&is=66723c4e&hm=8c2f5589b37477688fb12b59b7fe698322a4503f24bff202182b0b07216b20ea&

[crystal forum]

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

you made me realize that being good at killing orks does not make you good at defeating every type of waaagh

[storm jungle]

Yet Armageddon still stands

[crystal forum]

the actual gas mask chads

[storm jungle]

Armageddon dreaming baybeeeee

[crystal forum]

you think GW will do another armageddon story?

i feel like they're not done with everybody's favorite greenskin

[storm jungle]

Yeah at some point in the future. Armageddon is still a pretty important planet lore-wise and the Steel Legion is not unknown enough to be buried unlike some other regimetns

[crystal forum]

the fact that catachan still has models

but not steel legion

[storm jungle]

ikr

and the models are literally playdough

[crystal forum]

yeah they're very fugly

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

krieg still being popular makes sense since german and WW1 fans cooming

[green loom]

They're getting new models too

Very unfortunate

[crystal forum]

and their new book

[leaden pilot]

There are so many cool regiments that could be made into minis

And yet, we get Krieg

[crystal forum]

i'm not complaining tbh

better than more cadians

at least you can find krieg fans

i dont know a single person who genuinely simps for cadians

[leaden pilot]

Yeah but Krieg is memed to death

And I agree, it's better than Cadians
Cadians are just defeault, not good, not bad, just average

[storm jungle]

Cadians got plenty of fans

they are the cream of the crop

🍦

[storm jungle]

Also its the reality of "People find them cool but nobody buys them"

its why post 5-6th edition all of the regiment minis got terminated

[leaden pilot]

Yeah, fair

[green loom]

Okay the Ulfar quest was pretty good

[crystal forum]

i see more people fan over the models instead of the lore

which is the opposite for krieg lol

[storm jungle]

"Cadia Stands" literally gets spouted everywhere

and people constantly say how badass cadians are as well

its very widespread

[rose thorn]

Oh the bot didn’t do the thing :(

Cadia stands

NOOoO

[storm jungle]

[outer wave]

Wait that happens with Cadia Stands?

I was lied to...

[crystal forum]

ok but how many fans animations do you see of cadians

check mate

plus krieg is more popular outside the nerd circles

i'd know

since i'm not a nerd

[outer wave]

Brother in Christ, you're a 40k fan

You are stuck with us nerds and dorks and geeks

[crystal forum]

see the difference is i get laid

[outer wave]

I GOT LAID

ONCE

IM GIGACHAD TOO Y'KNOW

[crystal forum]

here's your crown 👑

[outer wave]

Thank you king

[crystal forum]

[arctic talon]

Seeing as it got name dropped in the 10th edition core rule book again as being half daemon world yes

[storm jungle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w7II__q00-A&pp=ygUNNDBrIGFuaW1hdGlvbg%3D%3D

https://youtu.be/o3qo9idFYPc?list=PLDQBGLqK16viPXnxPOCrXkvNs_pLuu2EF

https://youtu.be/JU2oDhff-kw?list=PLDQBGLqK16viPXnxPOCrXkvNs_pLuu2EF

https://youtu.be/VNsYEwqCW54?list=PLDQBGLqK16viPXnxPOCrXkvNs_pLuu2EF

https://i.ytimg.com/an_webp/xqH7NpkMFrg/mqdefault_6s.webp?du=3000&sqp=CJjazbMG&rs=AOn4CLCQ5voq8KaRekxbHuVx6C75xlUGkQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-5U2bdXQ4U&pp=ygURNDBrIGZhbiBhbmltYXRpb24%3D

Probably others too

but im lazy

[crystal forum]

this is how you can tell dilara is a nerd

[storm jungle]

[orchid lark]

People forget that the dow 1 and dow 2 models for stuff was used a lot

We had a lot of cadian stuff before because thats what we could rip

The early knowledge of krieg was also just vraks at the timr

And their origins

And those two things didnt really paint them as a good competent force lmao

[arctic talon]

Krieg pretty much only had Vraks as their lore

lol

[crystal forum]

i'd venture to say that people enjoy vraks more for their aesthetic and their grimdarkness than anything else

[green loom]

Okay that's Rogue Trader finally finished

And wow like over half my companions are dead

I have some ideas for art but ehhhh

Need to finish comms

[plush mason]

at least till Aug when the new dlc drops :P

[outer wave]

Write them down somewhere so you don't forget

[green loom]

I mostly just want to draw ulfar finding his squad

[young pecan]

I should get back around to playing it more

[storm jungle]

Me when a party member dies as I instantly reload my last save because I dont want them to go 💀

[dusky scroll]

Just asking opinion, do you think Emperor dying or being revived be a good idea for the lore? Is it possible to pull this (either of this) off?

[storm jungle]

Hes gonna be revived/return in some capacity in the future due to monetary reasons.

And everything is possible in 40k, its a setting built on thousands of retcons/excuses for miniature games and scenarios to be executed.

Theres no "this is never gonna happen"

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-go-my-scarab-gif-7579664463809719282

Necron lords be like

[dusky scroll]

As far as I understand, Emperor currently is psychologically completely broken. As someone here told before, his psyche is shattered into thousands of pieces.... Will bringing him back do any good?

[storm jungle]

I mean if the plot says so yes

The Imperium is already a mess, not much difference there to be had.

[tough haven]

There are whole groups of the ecclesiarchy and the inquisition that specifically want either one of htese to happen

some want to kill him permanently so he can fully achieve apotheosis

some want to fully bring him back

some want to kill him because they are terrified of what would happen if he ever woke up

[storm jungle]

He will probably come back as some warp entity in-full. It makes the most logical sense to keep him physicaly out of the setting while still giving faith miracles/deus ex machina nonsense to people as he sheds his body somehow.

Gives writers better room to work with too

[crystal forum]

AAAAA IT'S EATING ME ALIVE

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/thy-end-is-now-gif-18153971514165038770

[dusky scroll]

I've heard of a theory that if big E dies, where he was godlike or not, sheer belief of the people of the Imperium will birth a new Chaos god.

[storm jungle]

Thats kinda been confirmed with the final Horus Heresy novel

[tough haven]

they practically already have

its just not a "chaos god" per se

[storm jungle]

Yeah that, its not really even a theory.

[dusky scroll]

Secret Chaos worshippers?

[storm jungle]

Nah

Just misguided

[tough haven]

no like he'd fucking kill everyone because he's A. completely insane now

or B. fully drunk with god like power

thats what they worry about anyways

[dusky scroll]

wdym?

[tough haven]

he would be a warp entity and a "god" but the chaos gods are the big 4

like ynnead or the laughing god arent considered chaos gods

[storm jungle]

Theres no concrete rule saying there cant be other deities though is the thing. They are just the dominant 4 since they got their spots secured for millennias by now.

[crystal forum]

wasn't he already the most powerful being that's not warp bound before he got sent to the throne

[storm jungle]

And yeah because they arent

[dusky scroll]

Aside from sitting on a rusty chair and juicing the navigator thing in chaos, is he doing anything else?

[storm jungle]

Making psychic miracles for book characters

And giving visions to certain people

thats kind of it

[crystal forum]

powering the beacon that keeps the imperium alive

which is a bit of a cop out for GW to make us be all sad if he dies or something

[storm jungle]

Define "sad"

[crystal forum]

not the right word but you know that feeling uuuh

how do i even use words for this

[dusky scroll]

party baloons?

[crystal forum]

so you know when a book spends a chapter to describe a forge world and how strong it is, then it gets destroyed and you're supposed to be like ooooh noooo what a loss for the imperium

[storm jungle]

Oh THAT lmao

To be fair considering hes never gonna perma-die theres nothing to worry about, but i agree.

[crystal forum]

but essentially that forge world will never impact the narrative again

that's what it feels like with the astrafuckephon

[storm jungle]

Me @ every 40k book

[misty brook]

Just how many Space Marines are Primaris now?

[storm jungle]

No specific number

majority just are

Firstborn are going out of fashion

[tough haven]

yeah so theres nothing saying he'd have to be

[storm jungle]

I mean there kind of is

to be a Chaos God you need to be in the Warp, have a domain and have quantibillionbajillion followers

[tough haven]

giving us random weapons upon mission completion

that takes up like 40% of his cpu space

[arctic talon]

Stopping terra from being torn into a new eye of terror

[storm jungle]

Already said.

[arctic talon]

I didn’t see it

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Smh

[tough haven]

Yeah but the chaos gods all represent some basic universal part of the psyche, what would he represent?

[crystal forum]

literally the only thing keeping him around

[tough haven]

the fucking indomitable human spirit?

[misty brook]

I wouldn't say followers, more like cannon fodder.

[storm jungle]

Whatever bullshit the writers will come up with

[dusky scroll]

Even the ones in nihilus assisting Lion?

[storm jungle]

Yes.

Again "it depends"

[storm jungle]

That applies to everyone in the Imperium

I MEAN galaxy

whoops

[arctic talon]

The dark angels? Yeah

The fallen they’re picking up and redeeming

No

[crystal forum]

i think it's that there's so many darn humans in the galaxy that they can birth a god by just existing like eldar did

[arctic talon]

Ngl

[storm jungle]

They basically are atm

The Emperor is growing in power through faith, its a plot point

[arctic talon]

Brooks fucked up the Lion book imo

[crystal forum]

the shittier and more dogmatic the imperium becomes, the stronger the emperor gets

[arctic talon]

Took away the main few things I wanted to see and also didn’t have anything new

[misty brook]

I would say Order, but there's the Dark King who would be Ruin.

[dusky scroll]

How? Isn't Nihilus completely detached from the Imperium?

[tough haven]

The dark king?

[storm jungle]

There are ways to get across

[arctic talon]

There are 2 safe paths

[tough haven]

they just are fairly suicidal

[arctic talon]

The dark angels got their primaris before crossing

[crystal forum]

one of the paths is in rogue trader i think

that's pretty neat

[tough haven]

except its completely impassable back

[misty brook]

The Dark King is basically the Emperor if he turned evil and succumbed to Chaos to become a Chaos God.

[tough haven]

at least in game

[crystal forum]

shhhh spoilers

[storm jungle]

"if he turned evil"

hes already evil

[arctic talon]

If he turned eviler

[tough haven]

I was gonna say

[storm jungle]

The guy literally committed a galactic jihad

and is basically space hitler

but he does have drip

[misty brook]

I mean he did commit jihad on the bad Xenos.

[storm jungle]

"bad xenos"

[arctic talon]

He also killed a lot of humans

And peaceful xenos

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

And humans living with xenos

[tough haven]

evil emperor be like "all sentient beings must be free of suffering in order to fulfill our manifest destiny"

[arctic talon]

The last one especially

Lol

[storm jungle]

LOL

His police was "join or die" yeah

[arctic talon]

Humans living with xenos uh

[misty brook]

Those where his sons. The Emperor still had a delegation chamber in the Imperial Palace for Xenos envoys.

[arctic talon]

Was generally kill on site

[storm jungle]

No they did not

lmao

[arctic talon]

They had orders to kill xenos and humans living with xenos

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

And humans who didn’t join

The xenos delegation chambers were most likely meant for something

[tough haven]

I'd love to see nicehammer 40k, where the human's religious destiny is to improve the lives of themselves and all sentient species

we'd be like gothic coded tau

[storm jungle]

Horus has a dilemma about this in Book 1 where he doesnt want to attack the Interex due to them having some stuff the Imperium doesnt approve + his dad's orders, and his marines consider him not being genocidal "weird"

[arctic talon]

Those xenos envoy delegation chambers are odd

Realistically they were for a single xenos species lol

Which would be Eldar 💀

[crystal forum]

then he gets up from the dinner table and shoots a xeno lover in the face and sells their technology to mechanicus in exchange for favors

[arctic talon]

And no I don’t consider the species that got turned into a protectorate for being turned into immortality juice

[storm jungle]

I forgot which book it was but its explained that xenos can rarely get subsumed and basically become a obedient slave race

[arctic talon]

As a xenos species that isn’t like

[storm jungle]

theres one example of this in the 30k lore

[arctic talon]

You know

Killed

[storm jungle]

and they get sucked to death because they realise their bodies are good for rejuvenant treatments

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Their blood was good for rejuvinat

[storm jungle]

Pouring one out for my homies

[arctic talon]

It got made illegal but that didn’t stop anyone

[storm jungle]

🍷

[arctic talon]

Lol

Especially when the penalty is just death

Lol

[crystal forum]

there's those monkey looking things

[storm jungle]

Jokaero?

they arent accepted

they are also considered evil aliens when they are literally just bing chilling monkeys

[crystal forum]

i know they're orangutans. my apologies to the primate communtiy

[storm jungle]

get him lads

https://tenor.com/view/treyreloaded-monkey-attack-gif-4002938329714512222

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/memes-funny-don't-say-that-gif-3121715531865012874

[arctic talon]

the imperium thinks Jokaero are non sapient

(this is untrue)

[storm jungle]

Orangutan are also extremely smart IRL which is even funnier

[outer wave]

Most apes are pretty smart tbf

[arctic talon]

oh also

the death watch tried to exterminate them

a while back

[storm jungle]

Me when a chimp rips my face off for disagreeing with him on the internet

[arctic talon]

Funny monkey ship make imperial ships go boom

[dusky scroll]

Do Necrons enjoy similar technological edge with Eldars/Tau/Tyranid/Orc/Votann like they have with Imperium?

[storm jungle]

Yes

Eldar and Necron are THE most advanced races in the setting

[outer wave]

Me when chimp (I smiled at him and he was lookin' hungry).

[arctic talon]

Necrons have the best actual technology

[crystal forum]

necron predate eldar and in the warhammerverse older means more advanced

[orchid lark]

The Ctan are the most advanced

Youre right

[dusky scroll]

I meant when Necrons fight Eldar or Tau or Tyranid

[storm jungle]

uHHH

Prob Necrons

[arctic talon]

yes on Tau and nids

Eldar also generally yes

[orchid lark]

Necrons

[arctic talon]

unless the Eldar start pulling random crap out

[orchid lark]

No one has access to stable time bullshit like necrons do

[arctic talon]

from the Eldar Empire

which craftworlds don't have

[orchid lark]

Since its purely tech

[arctic talon]

you want to know who does have Eldar Empire era tech

[orchid lark]

And not dependent on magic

[tough haven]

dark eldar

[arctic talon]

my favorite

[crystal forum]

necrons are strong but nerfed by their wackiness

[dusky scroll]

What's stopping them (Necrons) from cleaning out the galaxy like hand sanitizers?

[arctic talon]

the drukhari can't even use most of the Eldar Empire era tech

[misty brook]

And infighting.

[arctic talon]

eepy

[storm jungle]

Infighting and damaged brains

[tough haven]

bro I just want a necron vs tau book

it would be so peak

[orchid lark]

Necrons are like regigigas

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/mimimimimi-cat-sleeping-snoring-cat-sleeping-cat-drooling-cat-gif-23979759

[orchid lark]

They have Slow Start

[tough haven]

also the eepy

[misty brook]

Didn't a Necron unintentionally save Tau and he disinteragrated them right?

[tough haven]

yup

[orchid lark]

Literally all factions fit into this

[crystal forum]

tau trying to invade a necron world is not something i expected to see

what did they honestly expect to happen

[arctic talon]

Vior'la sept are batshit insane

[arctic talon]

they wanted the tech

[storm jungle]

Me WHEN I FUCKING GET YOU

[arctic talon]

For the earth caste

[tough haven]

and it was really inconvenient for him because he had to kill them

[crystal forum]

did they succeed

[arctic talon]

hahahahahAHAHAHAHAHHAHA

No

[orchid lark]

The could fix me

[arctic talon]

the tomb world was awake already

they barely had any survivors

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-cope-warhammer-meme-shut-up-gif-24598622

its over

[arctic talon]

They got barely any useful stuff out of it

[tough haven]

how tf could you assault a active tomb world

[arctic talon]

and it was considered a failure

[tough haven]

besides maybe exterminatus

[arctic talon]

being batshit insane, incredibly violent

[crystal forum]

so basically like trying to invade a nid fleet while it's already feeding on the liquified biomass of a ruined planet

[orchid lark]

They want a landing party

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[orchid lark]

More fun

[tough haven]

but even then they can probably prevent or disable that

[dusky scroll]

Why need to strategize when you're immortal and can turn things to dust? you just pick a direction and pull trigger (pretty much how Guardsmen fight)

[tough haven]

I meant successfully

[arctic talon]

They also

[misty brook]

Send a techno virus.

[arctic talon]

literally got warned

by the earth caste

that hey

maybe this is a bad idea

[crystal forum]

im starting to like these blue fucks

[arctic talon]

The Commander did not care

he thought it would be good practice

[crystal forum]

even mechanicus arent this insane

[tough haven]

also necrons are incredibly petty and can be really lazhy

[arctic talon]

he was correct about it being good practice

FOR THE NECRONS

[tough haven]

oh I love tau

[storm jungle]

"Come outside bro we wont jump you."

[tough haven]

specifically farsight enclaves

[misty brook]

Didn't they do that on their first expedition into a Necron Tomb World?

[arctic talon]

FSE and Vior'la sept might as well be the same in terms of how they fight and their mindset lol

[crystal forum]

at least they didnt know what to expect

[outer wave]

Which Necron dynasty has gotten the closest to infusing necrodermis with flesh and bone?

[arctic talon]

because farsight is from Vior'la

[tough haven]

you got the "10000 bees on fb messenger" meme? I want that but 10,000 scarabs

come outside

[storm jungle]

the only ones actively experimenting are the Szarekhan Dynasty

[outer wave]

I see I see

[arctic talon]

Szeras has sucessful shoved necrodermis into humans

[tough haven]

except farsight is at least somewhat sucessful, and he doesnt mindlessly jump into fights he cant win, he usually refrains from fighting if he can help it

[misty brook]

So far the only bodies that can withstand reverse biotransference are Space Marines and be sane.

[arctic talon]

Vior'la are also sucessful tbf

[outer wave]

Did it come out like pariahs or what happened?

[arctic talon]

they're also just really really hot blooded

[arctic talon]

he just says he considered it a failure and not worth pursuing

[arctic talon]

whatever that means

[outer wave]

Ooof

[arctic talon]

We don't know how it was shoved in

[tough haven]

isnt the majority or at least the silent king trying to regain mortal bodies again?

[misty brook]

They are detiritus to him.

[outer wave]

Oh shit, enslaved humans!

Poggers!

[storm jungle]

actually rare lmao

[dusky scroll]

Eldars are relatively sane.
Dark Eldars are sadists with sophisticated taste.

What's the deal with Harlequins?

[outer wave]

It should be more common, considering necrons

[tough haven]

Funny

[outer wave]

But it really isnt surprisingly enough

[tough haven]

they pull intergalactic pranks

[storm jungle]

Harlequins are both depending on which Masque you are facing

[tough haven]

of like tzeenchian scale

[misty brook]

And Trazyn has one in his musem gallery too, Lol.

[storm jungle]

"one"

[arctic talon]

there's also whatever the fuck these necrons are

[storm jungle]

he has entire masques

[dusky scroll]

What's their goal? Why are they separate from other kinds of Eldars?

[storm jungle]

💀

[arctic talon]

the theory is that like

those are szeras's experiment

but also like its just an art piece lol

[outer wave]

Could be, considering the middle one has ragged clothes around his chest

[arctic talon]

its just the necrons look very human esque

[storm jungle]

Basically they are Eldar who feel the call of Cegorach the Laughing God and get whisked away by other harlequins or feel called to his service and disappear before appearing back as Harlequins.

Their aim is to basically follow their gods will, this is their tabletop excuse for being anywhere or fighting anyone at any given time. Also to make chaos blow up because chaos sucks.

They also do plays on eldar, dark eldar, and sometimes even human worlds.

the human audiences dont realize they are aliens most of the time 💀

[misty brook]

Iron Hands could figure out how to use their necrodermis. But I think they might need the Mechanius help for that.

[arctic talon]

tbh

necrodermis as a material isn't the worst to figure out

its getting it thats horrid

[misty brook]

Have you heard about eating it?

[arctic talon]

though if any chapter has a lot

its the Iron hands

[dusky scroll]

Like.... fighting WITH humans?

[arctic talon]

medusa is like 99% chance a like

[storm jungle]

They will fight with or against anyone

[arctic talon]

fucked up tomb world

[storm jungle]

like they are already almost impossible to kill

[tough haven]

anything for the bit

[storm jungle]

because when they move its like diamond blur shapes

[crystal forum]

doesn't it regrow

[storm jungle]

Correct.

[arctic talon]

yes

[crystal forum]

just farm it then

[storm jungle]

inside your stomach especially

[arctic talon]

but it doesn't grow like

properly

[misty brook]

I would like to see one fight Jagathai Khan now.

[arctic talon]

which is a mystery to everyone but the necrons who clearly have no problems with this

[outer wave]

Could be a mystery even to them tbh

[storm jungle]

Yeah this is like going "if you find oil just pick it in buckets"

[storm jungle]

Necrons have completely mastered necrodermis, its their own material

they can change their appearances and surroundings on a whim with it

[crystal forum]

their magical item

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/building-pool-constructing-construction-gamer-gif-14692343

[arctic talon]

Necrodermis might as well be magic

lol

it violates physics

[outer wave]

I wonder if they just have barrels of pure necrodermis to play with if they want to set up a tomb world on a planet

[storm jungle]

They can create it from thin air when its like crypteks

or through canopteks

they are LITERALLY playing minecraft

[outer wave]

If thats the case, would that mean despite their losses, could they make more necron warriors?

[storm jungle]

Kind of

[arctic talon]

need brain

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

They can make shitty great value necron warriors

but they'd rather make canopteks

[outer wave]

I see I see

[arctic talon]

if they're gona do that

[storm jungle]

Canopteks are robots so you can make them infinitely, warriors/necron units that once were people are limited in number

[crystal forum]

i thought all necrons were once alive

[misty brook]

There's a Necron Lord and his entire army who are blinged out in gold necrodermis. They can travel light speed or faster cause of it too, due to his crypteks making it for him. Besides the fact he sees himself as a literal Star too, lol.

[storm jungle]

the humanoid-esque ones are,

[outer wave]

Yeah I was wondering if the souls thing was a limiting factor for necron warrior production

[crystal forum]

even the shitty ones?

[arctic talon]

canopteks can't reanimate

fun fact

[dusky scroll]

Correct me if I'm wrong.

So there's this Trazyn guy. He is necron with passion of collecting "things".

I'm not sure but I think I heard him fighting for imperium in Cadia.

What does he want (other than adding more things to collection? What is his stance with other necrons?

[storm jungle]

Not "for" the imperium

uhh, lemme write it up

[arctic talon]

his own dynasty kind of hates him, other necrons think he's stupid

very few necrons actually appricate his like

museam lol

[crystal forum]

he's a meme character

[storm jungle]

this isnt true

people make him out to be one

[crystal forum]

you know it's true

[arctic talon]

the premise of the character is kind of silly

[outer wave]

Honestly Id like to be his friend :)

[arctic talon]

the way he acts isn't

He's still a necron overlord

[plush mason]

thats a hallmark of a lot of necron tech

[arctic talon]

with all the spite, hatred, pettiness and intelligence that comes with that

[misty brook]

The closest being he had to a friend serves him now as a thrall controlled by Nano machines in him when he wanted to die.

[crystal forum]

he only exists for GW to be like look at this mysterious thing that he owns oooooh it could be a thunder warrior or some shit

[dusky scroll]

Oh... so he's not acting alone?

[arctic talon]

yeah

Solamance is his tombworld

his own dynasty tolerates him

they do not like him on their crownworld

because he has uh sticky fingers

[plush mason]

overlords are like the 2nd in command of a dynasty right?

[arctic talon]

no

well

sorta?

There's overlords who will serve that role

but most rule their own tombworlds

[misty brook]

I bet you guys they'll evolve Gazghkull into being a Krork. His kinda close to being the size of one, espically his new body that he got head transplanted too.

[arctic talon]

Ghazkull isn't even at The Beast™️ levels yet

[arctic talon]

he generally is acting with just his forces + himself

but he does have support/actual obligations

[storm jungle]

Basically Trazyn is a literal museum collector, he explains it in his book that he more or less collects things because history is important and that it should be preserved, anything of importance is collected by him, whether its people or inanimate objects, its where his grimdark qualities come from sometimes.

As for him on Cadia, he basically went there because one of his museum pieces; a holy church bell; started ringing 13 times to signal the 13th black crusade since it had psychic properties and after he threw it into the webway for destroying the gallery it was in he went to Cadia to see what was up and maybe collect anything he deemed worth the effort.

In the actual war while it was going on he was mostly going around like a safari hunter with his deathmark sniper-bodyguard seeing anyone worth yoinking, his most important effort was making sure Cadia wasnt destroyed in the very first hour of battle before chaos forces even landed on the planet by helping re-activate the orbital shield around the entire planet when Abaddon used the blackstone fortress to try and destroy Cadia in one swoop which failed thanks to Trazyn, forcing him into a ground battle. From there he just hips-hops in the background as said above before finally deciding to leave once the show is properly over.

In his own words he was simply there because he wanted to try being a hero for a bit for the evil glee/fun of it.

[plush mason]

he theoretically could reach that if he keeps fighting really strong foes and surviving/winning though?

[arctic talon]

yes

but also

[plush mason]

orks have no real upper limit do they? they are like dragon ball characters

[misty brook]

He also has a statue of himself. People on the world he saved call him a skinny Space Marine.

[arctic talon]

GW treats The War of The Beast

as a mistake lol

and so do

most people

[plush mason]

yeah

[arctic talon]

because my god the writing for it was ass

[storm jungle]

Yeah but the issue is it gets mentioned in recent lore

so its never going away

sorry folks

[arctic talon]

yeah

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

unless GW retcons it lmao

which uh

[storm jungle]

They wont lmao

[arctic talon]

the chances of happening are 0

[misty brook]

More than one beast is kinda dumb too.

[arctic talon]

at this rate

[plush mason]

its too funny to let die honestly

[storm jungle]

it was literally "BUT WAIT, THERES MORE"

[arctic talon]

you forgot how it took a ton of Vulkans effort + other people to kill it

and then like

all the other beasts get killed off screen

by the assasinorum

[storm jungle]

Also its a mess because iirc there was a lot of scheduling/idea clashes during the production of the books in the studio lol

[young pecan]

I mean honestly that's kind of hilarious

[arctic talon]

like how many fucking assassins did you send lol

[storm jungle]

He literally was only there to save the planet because he was recording his new tiktok video 💀

[misty brook]

The entire temples, lol.

[dusky scroll]

thanks.. both for the info and actually taking time and effort to write all of it.

[storm jungle]

No worries, Trazyn is a fun character

im happy to help

[plush mason]

i thought the SOS kill them by "injecting their blank mumbojumbo into the wagg"

[young pecan]

Where do I get more of Trazyn

[orchid lark]

Szarekh is my king

[tough haven]

Pretty much everyone hates him cause he’s stolen from everyone

[orchid lark]

Not that loser Imotekh

[arctic talon]

that was the one they helped Vulkan kill

lmao

[young pecan]

(he says, with 4 warhammer books he still hs to finish before that)

[arctic talon]

Which is why the whole

All the other beasts dying off screen crap

via the assaasinorum

[storm jungle]

only in Infinite and the Divine and the Fall of Cadia in some side chapters alas

[arctic talon]

and just the assasinorum is insane

[misty brook]

Vulkan is gonna come back though. Because fuck he is harder to kill than your average perputual.

[plush mason]

that was just so dumb

[arctic talon]

realistically Vulkan is back already

and he's just chilling on some rock

And probably hates the imperium even more

[orchid lark]

We made the deathwatch, nah dont need them

[arctic talon]

since last time

[plush mason]

he is just hiding in a corner in the salamander's vault

[misty brook]

Though he loves his sons. Even though most of them he hasn't met yet.

[arctic talon]

oh also imperial fists turning to chaos after working with the iron warriors because uh

its dishonorable to betray them or something

MY BROTHER IN CHRIST SOME OF YOU WERE FROM THE SIEGE OF TERRA

[green loom]

Can't spell assasinorum without ass

[arctic talon]

[dusky scroll]

What's the deal with silent king? is he still silent? or asleep with his buddies? or did he started talking?

[misty brook]

Ferraus would cry to see how his sons are now.

[arctic talon]

I FUCKING HATE THE WRA OF THE BEAST ITS SO ASS

[arctic talon]

he doesn't talk, the 2 necrons with him talk

[young pecan]

his fist, his imperial fist

[plush mason]

didnt the whole of the OG imperial fists get wiped out

[arctic talon]

also war of the beast has one of the biggest continuity fuck ups ever in a book

lol

[dusky scroll]

is he doing anything or just sitting there?

[green loom]

Yes

[misty brook]

Oh yea. I remember that the Emperor thought about Malacdor's saying to turn all the Primarchs into sisters so they wouldn't fight as much was a joke.

[arctic talon]

He fights, he gives silent orders

ect.

but when he needs something actually said

[plush mason]

they had to reform the chapter from the vaulted geneseed iirc

[arctic talon]

the 2 necrons with him talk

The War of the beast has Centurion power armor around 5k years before its discovered

[green loom]

Though I think the Fists Exemplar who were the majority replacing the fists still had a few heresy dudes around so it basically makes no difference

[arctic talon]

thank you very cool

[arctic talon]

yeah

[green loom]

Still pretty funny that the entire chapter goes and dies in some rock and just leaves the phalanx unattended

[arctic talon]

I'm sure there was like

[plush mason]

ngl thats very par the coarse for the war of the beast

[arctic talon]

idfk

a tech marine left onboard

[plush mason]

a lot of shit happened that literally changed nothing

[storm jungle]

The Silent King part of the title comes from him having a "triarch" (3) party, basically him and 2 speakers that sit on the platforms next to his big throne platform you can see if you look at his model.

The Silent King basically is the main big-brain dude behind the idea that Necrons should listen to the c'tan and he had his people in chains be brought to the bio-furnaces that transformed them into robots, after that he realised he was betrayed and he more or less led his people to their doom, so he broke the c'tan then left the galaxy in exile before humanity was even organic matter in the world's seas.

He WAS actually in lore in the mid 2000's but like in a single mention and we never heard from him, it was only with the 9th edition that his return was properly established, he currently leads the Szarekhan Dynasty (after his own name) in an effort to reverse the bio-transferrence that made the necrons into what they are and also completely cut off the Warp from the milky way through the use of massive Pariah Nexuses which creates blank spots in the galaxy and allow zero warp energy to get through.

At the moment he also has a big-dick rival with another necron named Imotekh whos a big military-head army-necron-person who seeks to undermine him and show people that hes a dumbass due to his plan of wanting to return to "flesh".

Suffice to say he AIN'T the sharpest phase-blade in the shed

[green loom]

Speaking of Necrons
Epitaph was a pretty cool setpiece

[storm jungle]

A lot of the budget went to a single throwaway level...

[green loom]

I like how they portrayed the repair systems

[plush mason]

is Imotekh the one with the super fucked up scarab variation that just cut people up and turn them into target markers for flayed ones?

[dusky scroll]

I see! They have their own Emperor and Horus

[misty brook]

The only reason why Necrons have free will was because Szarekh threw away the command protocols out the window.

[storm jungle]

Whenever theres an old timer theres always a youngster that wants to see em donw

[dusky scroll]

3 Necrons walked into a bar... 2 said ouch, 1 didn't.

[storm jungle]

Thats Imotekh

hes a war criminal like that

Szarekh will just shoot you

[tough haven]

I love him, I like obyron and zandrekh more though, I also like oltyx

[misty brook]

Imotekh still a bitch. Still funny that his flagship got flown into a sun.

[plush mason]

he is called the stormlord right?

[storm jungle]

yep

[plush mason]

why is that

[storm jungle]

Uhhh

[arctic talon]

Imotekh is less of a Horus more of a uh Goge Vandire ig?

[storm jungle]

he summons storms

thats it

LOL

[plush mason]

lol

[misty brook]

His more or less Settra.

[storm jungle]

yeah im sorry thats literally it, the most random ability ever

you can almost imagine the writers

"he needs a gimmick aside from cutting hands"

"Uhhh storm control???"

"yeah sure add it in"

[young pecan]

Put scarabs in storm

???

profit

[storm jungle]

LOL

[queen laurel]

Speaking of this is the only female necron that is like givin a screen time right

[storm jungle]

yep

[arctic talon]

there's a phaerek in the pariah nexus crusade

I forgot her name

[queen laurel]

I know female necrons are a thing but she's like the only one who's like an overlord or something

[arctic talon]

one moment

[storm jungle]

theres a lot more female necrons in books

even a trans one

[arctic talon]

Phaeron Nektarrik

[plush mason]

soon there will be another one, the necron leader in mechanicus 2 is female

[arctic talon]

she uh blows up a titan legions forces

lol

[tough haven]

I also like Szarekh

[green loom]

In the distance, the primal howl of a neck beard can be heard

[storm jungle]

best part is the author literally confirmed it on his twitter that it was 100% intentional

[tough haven]

I fucking love mechanicus 2, pump it into my veins!!!

[queen laurel]

Well damn she's a girl boss like that I suppose

[misty brook]

Still waiting for GW to use Outsider to return back to the Milky Way and show the Necrons of betraying their literal Star Gods.

[plush mason]

man im so hyped for that game, 2 of my fav factions going head to head once again and this time we can be both sides

[arctic talon]

oh also she most likely deposed of the former Phaeron btw

[storm jungle]

He will one day free himself from the dyson sphere

[tough haven]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-excited-explode-happy-spongebob-squarepants-gif-12971731

[arctic talon]

since we had a different necron phaeron

of the thokt

in a white dwarf lol

[storm jungle]

hehe

thot

[arctic talon]

💀

[tough haven]

I just want it to be more random mission wise and more replayable

[arctic talon]

don't call her that smh

[tough haven]

I love that writer, the name eludes me rn

also why wouldnt they be trans

[queen laurel]

Elite spelling abilities strike again

[dusky scroll]

Necrons have gender? If you're not reproducing, or having sex... how do you define it?

[arctic talon]

it literally is thokt

[storm jungle]

Uh basically just as a social status

[tough haven]

they are literally immortal beings that can shape their form however they want

[tough haven]

however they wnat

[arctic talon]

pre biotransference gender generally

[tough haven]

just like irl

[dusky scroll]

Oh...