40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

and Belakor was an issue

I'd assume they just don't want another belakor running around

[queen laurel]

He just had to be greedy

[arctic talon]

Funnily in AoS Archeon just doesn't want to talk about his past at all

so his followers just make shit up about him

[vast crystal]

All I need is the skaven in 40k and I'll be happy

[orchid lark]

Becoming a Daemon Prince is eternal fealty to the gods

Maintaining ones own Mortal body whilst powered up is just using them

[arctic talon]

Archaeon's "origins" his followers peddle include he was a twin brother to sigmar and he used to rule all the mortal realms before sigmar

[orchid lark]

Sigmar does have twin sons technically

[arctic talon]

which he just doesn't choose to correct

[arctic talon]

didn't he not even know they existed

[orchid lark]

Its assumed he knows but refuses

[arctic talon]

either way they're probably dead now

[queen laurel]

How is sigmar doing in AOS

I assume pretty good

[arctic talon]

He's doing great

[queen laurel]

Hell yeah

And chaos is actually taking Ls at times too

I think writing in aos is a tad bit more balanced

[arctic talon]

Chaos is currently taking W

due to giant horde of rat

[orchid lark]

I like to think they became stormcasts

[arctic talon]

so giant it drowns everything

[arctic talon]

would be cool

Mfw Shyish is literally overwhemled with dead Skaven

along with still living Skaven

[queen laurel]

Ah the skaven single handedly carrying operations through their sheer stupidity

[arctic talon]

Nagash L

[orchid lark]

They were warriors so a stormhost that is just Sigmars Lineage is pretty cool

[arctic talon]

Would be cool

[queen laurel]

I love that physically storm vermin is probably around like a normal buff human in terms of strength but since they can afford a lot of them it doesn't matter

[arctic talon]

Stormvernins biggest weakness is they’re brave(for a skaven)

They’re pretty decent

[queen laurel]

Yeah but compared to the elite infantry of other races they are a bit you know

Built like a meat shield

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Well

There’s a lot of them

[queen laurel]

That's the literally the entire tactic of the skaven

Yeah they have thanks but it's very unstable but you know why

They have like a hundred of them

[arctic talon]

It’s not gona be 1 ironbreaker to 1 stormvermin

It’s like 1 to 5

Lol

[queen laurel]

Who would win in an average fight no interference

A black orc or an iron breaker

[arctic talon]

Idk

Prolly the black ork?

Iron breaker if they have a bomb wins

[queen laurel]

In out of all the elite infantry in every single faction i feel like they do have the physical advantage most of the time

I think the only elite infantry that would even match a black orch in terms of strength would be a temple guard

[normal light]

Orks have physical advantage most of the time

[arctic talon]

Ironbreakers are prolly going the way of the dodo in AoS soon

[normal light]

It’s like their race trait

[arctic talon]

The dwarf and elf parts of cities of sigmar are overdue

[queen laurel]

The overlords are the original Votann

And i'm surprised they are all about airships and not the old dwarf artillery and tough infantry gig

[arctic talon]

They aren’t cities of sigmar smh

[queen laurel]

I mean they have the technology to imitate the old dwarves of warhammer fantasy

[arctic talon]

I’d assume cites of sigmar is gona be dwarven artillery

The khadron prefer to remain mobile ig

Rather then big fucking immobile cannon

[queen laurel]

Now that i think about it out of all the order tied races the dwarves are the ones that got changed the most

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

Their main function being literal airship maniacs

[arctic talon]

Also uh

Mostly naked angry axe men

[queen laurel]

Yeah somehow the slayer cult survived

Well it's not really much of a slayer cult now

[arctic talon]

Idfk man

[queen laurel]

More of a warrior cult but

[queen laurel]

I will ask you fantasy questions and you will answer beatmen

[arctic talon]

oh also wood elves ig

had a big change lol

They are quite literally you know

[queen laurel]

I mean in thematic ways of fighting

[arctic talon]

wooden

[queen laurel]

They are still long range forest dwellers

And have similar battle tactics

[arctic talon]

they aren't really long ranged

they're way more melee brawling focused

weirdly

guess it comes with being a tree

[queen laurel]

They don't focus on hit and runs now in the forest

[arctic talon]

a few units do

but the core stuff is like

[queen laurel]

Huh neat

[queen laurel]

Well how are they compared to your average old world wood elf

[arctic talon]

They would probably fold one in half

old world wood elfs still exist as well

but they're part of the Cities of Sigmar

like yeah idk my bet is on tree ghost

[queen laurel]

Sheesh old world got turned into a stepping stone huh because the basic infantry of iron jawz is black orcs

You put a brute in the old world they would probably be a war boss immediately

[arctic talon]

wouldn't call old world a stepping stone personally

plenty of old world styled stuff can still do well

tbh

the cities of sigmar have not imploded yet for a reason

[queen laurel]

I think the right term would be power creeped

[arctic talon]

yeah

but AoS as a whole is

much higher fantasy

[queen laurel]

Yeah literally one of the basic factions are giant orcs that punch metal into their skin as armor

[arctic talon]

weird ass fucking City of Sigmar elves lol

[queen laurel]

Motherfuckers thinks he's a harley quinn

Like i'm not tripping right

[arctic talon]

idfk lol

they're from Ulgu and not associated with Malerion/Maliketh

and they're generally creepy

[queen laurel]

Now this actually got me thinking a little bit how would the old world change if you bring in the storm cast and the cities of sigmar along to fix some stuff up

[arctic talon]

Uh a lot

just based on technological and magic levels

and also general like unity

[queen laurel]

Chaos would probably stara each other and s*** the bed right

[arctic talon]

yeah

prolly because cross setting stuff like that would be insane

AoS is different from WHFB in terms of the scale

[queen laurel]

Multiple realms

And battles that would literally destroy both the brettonia and the empire in a single day are pretty common

[arctic talon]

the crusades that Cities of Sigmar's regularly send out would be

horrifying for literally everyone

because my fucking god

that is a lot of people

[queen laurel]

Yeah grimgor end times size WAAAAAGGHHHs are tuesday

In age of sigmar

[arctic talon]

not tuesday

it would def be a like event to be noted

Grimgor's WAAAAAAAAAAGH was fucking insane lol

[queen laurel]

True

[arctic talon]

Like the scale of some dawnbringer crusades

is absurd

[queen laurel]

And they can just afford that

Where the f*** are they getting the people

I know this is multiple realms and stuff but like

[arctic talon]

the smallest ones are numbered in the hundreds

[queen laurel]

What the hell is logistics of the f****** cities man

[arctic talon]

Well the cities are fucking huge

its not just the city

its all the towns and farmland

outside the city

Like a modern scaled city

in a fantasy setting

• its surrounding land

[queen laurel]

How large is an average like city of sigmar city compared to a hive city

[arctic talon]

Smaller

by a lot

[queen laurel]

Oh thank goodness

[arctic talon]

AoS still does run by medival logistics

The largest dawnbringer crusades are in the like

10s of thousands

the small ones are just like a few hundred

[queen laurel]

And these guys are supported by airships right

With basically their own armored columns of tanks

And other doohickeys

[arctic talon]

Okay I'm wrong

there was a bigger dawnbringer crusade listed

which was at 30k people

which is insane

[queen laurel]

Dude

[arctic talon]

depends on the size but yeah

Airships, vehicles, cannons

a variety of infantry

[queen laurel]

A single crusade with kick archeon in the old world

Jesus christ

[arctic talon]

some meth head priests and priestesses screaming about Sigmar or Khaine

or some other random god

ect.

[queen laurel]

And if they have boats it would probably be a black ark

Supported by fleets of ships with large artillery platforms

And the these things usually get crushed right

[arctic talon]

depends on what they run into

sometimes they successfully found a new city

other times uh

[queen laurel]

Iron jawz horde

[arctic talon]

Ironjawz if you're lucky

they'll just kill most of everyone or tell you to leave or die

[queen laurel]

Thing is if you're physically strong you can engage in diplomacy with them by using your hands

Let's say i win a punchout with one

[arctic talon]

yeah and most people present aren't strong enough

[queen laurel]

They will more than likely at least respect you enough that you're strong enough to match an iron jaw in a fight

[arctic talon]

so it'll devolve to fighting

one way or another non Kruleboyz are like

not bad

[queen laurel]

Ah kruleboyz

[arctic talon]

Chaos, Death, Other Order factions that do not get along

[queen laurel]

Those guys are fun

[arctic talon]

thats an issue

yeah turns out the Sylvaneth do not like having an entire army drawn through their forests

[queen laurel]

I mean death can still work with cities of sigmar

[arctic talon]

big suprise I know

well Dawnbringer crusades are expansionistic

their goal is to found a new city

somewhere

they're going to inevitbly fight with something

[queen laurel]

hey man i just find it funny that a Necroplis Stalker might somehow end up with a crusade

[arctic talon]

funnier that a literal normal revived skeleton might be a part of it tbh

[queen laurel]

[green loom]

Aren't a lot of the Soulblight lords a bit more Independant atm

With Nagash in timeout

[queen laurel]

yeah would make sense considering he is busy taking care of a literal rat problem

[bronze tinsel]

I know I asked about scale before here about populations in 40k and I now have another possibly easier question to ask

How many Astartes are there?

and how many of them are Loyalist and how many are Traitor?

do we have numbers worth looking at

[queen laurel]

That question is basically a whole new kind of works because an average normal rule compliant chapter has 1000 troops

[normal light]

Probably not, but like there are not a lot of them

Number maybe goes up to 100 thousand

And that’s all

[queen laurel]

but of course there are those that don't care and disobey the rules

so honestly it's up the author

[bronze tinsel]

I did know that in lore, Astartes whether they be loyalist or traitor are extremely rare

[pine wedge]

the general rule is "a thousand chapters of a thousand marines on average" but no hard numbers

so approx 1 million astartes, give or take.

[azure knoll]

so black templars + 1 million astartes

[pine wedge]

which is also approximately how many settled planets the imperium contains, so yeah they're rare.

[bronze tinsel]

considering there are potentially nonillions of humans, that’s an extremely small number.

[pine wedge]

one space marine per planet if you spread them out equally.

[azure knoll]

one astartes to rule them all

[azure knoll]

for legal purposes this is a joke

[bronze tinsel]

I don’t even want to try and calculate how many Sororitas there are, or how many Guardsman there are...

considering both are waaaaaay more common than Astartes

[azure knoll]

sisters of battle? more than astartes but a reasonable number I'd say

adepta sororitas? holy hell

[green loom]

Considerably so probably

Marines(loyalists and traitors) are likely in the low millions

[pine wedge]

yup. which is also why a game like darktide is such a good idea, because it depicts an example of the innumerable wars that are fought across the imperium every day in which the space marines never appear.

[bronze tinsel]

Adepta Sororitas, probably in the higher hundreds of millions...

Guardsman, high trillions

[azure knoll]

id actuall wish for a sister to appear

[green loom]

Hestia is right there

[bronze tinsel]

this is just me pulling numbers out of my ass, but they seem reasonable to me

[pine wedge]

we have somebody from the adepta sororitas, which is probably the best we're going to get

[azure knoll]

one of battle

[bronze tinsel]

Hestia is a Dialogus though, a Sororitas yes, but of an Order Militant, no.

[green loom]

They don't have to be Order Militant

Our dearest Argenta from RT is Ordo Pronatus, also non combat

[bronze tinsel]

They don’t, all Sisters are trained for battle.

[pine wedge]

one tech priest, one interrogator, one actually experienced guard officer, a bunch of conscripted penal soldiers, one allied regiment of local soldiers, and a dream.

everything you need to wage a proper imperial war.

[bronze tinsel]

I was just thinking about her, there’s a reason she doesn’t wear Power Armour until late game

[azure knoll]

I'd like to have a full on loyalist muscle mommy, preferably

because scab trappers, dreg flamers, rinda karnak and zola are not good enough muscle mommies to me

[bronze tinsel]

heh, do I count?

flexes

[azure knoll]

a zealot sister cosplayer

😔

[storm jungle]

Hestia is just a priestess as far as we know, she mentions nothing about being a sororitas unless i missed something.

[bronze tinsel]

Oh shush you.

[storm jungle]

the previous lady in her position was a dialogus tho prob, she ha the neckpiece and the hairstyle and everything lol

[bronze tinsel]

Lucia existed before Darktide did.

[green loom]

But yeah considering the imperium floats around a few hundred thousand planets, even if like, 10k of those are hive worlds
That's a LOT of bodies

[storm jungle]

Also the fact that even thats a small number when you remember the milky way has 400+ billion stars lol

[azure knoll]

said in the tone of a sad cadian

[bronze tinsel]

It’s been said before, that bodies are the one resource that the Imperium is never short on.

[azure knoll]

corpse starch

[storm jungle]

to quote a scientist

[bronze tinsel]

[azure knoll]

yumby

[green loom]

Me when I sell people in Rogue Trader

[storm jungle]

"If theres anything humans love, its to fuck."

[bronze tinsel]

evidently...

[azure knoll]

"wanna be sexed up abusive lesbians?"

[bronze tinsel]

“Who could say no to a proposal like that?”

[azure knoll]

class of '09

[bronze tinsel]

Said the person who would later regret it...

[azure knoll]

need to play it

[bronze tinsel]

I do

[azure knoll]

https://youtu.be/BnSf8UJP37E?si=Yh0ulSVfTvaCvSqP

[bronze tinsel]

It’s on the list of shit I’m going to do, but keep putting off...

That list grows longer every day -_-

[azure knoll]

cant check my shame list rn

[bronze tinsel]

Nicole is so chaotic, I love her.

she’s the kind of person I would find attractive as a character but would hate to be around irl though.

idk what that says about me -_-

[azure knoll]

i dont actually know a lot but that makes discovering unhinged tiktok audios so much better

[green loom]

I'm noticing a lot of changes on my current run of rogue trader

It's p nice

[storm jungle]

[bronze tinsel]

do you think they could make a game based on Dark Heresy?

or possibly Black Crusade

[green loom]

I honestly think they probably will

After Rogue Trader

Give or take 3 years time

Or however long Wrath came after Kingmaker

[celest dome]

The basis are there, would not be quite difficult

[storm jungle]

^

It makes sense monetarily and also from the love Rogue Trader has gotten even with the bugs.

Its prob one of the best story-based 40k games out there, the fandom is also pretty strong

[green loom]

I feel it also kinda dragged over the rest of the owlcat playerbase

Since imo it's a lot more palatable/fun than the pathfinders lol

[pine wedge]

oh that reminds me

rogue trader is on GFN now

so I should buy it and play it sometime

[green loom]

Yus

Hopefully in a few months i won't need GFN

[crisp heath]

I'd love an inquisitor rpg

Dream power fantasy

[gray umbra]

Archmilitant my beloved

[bronze tinsel]

Hmmm

How many Custodes are there?

I imagine there doesn’t need to be very many of them...

[paper haven]

Ten thousand, I think

[bronze tinsel]

it would likely be in that ballpark yeah.

[paper haven]

I've heard them referred to as The Ten Thousand in some of the books

[bronze tinsel]

you don't need many super soldiers guarding the Emperor and Holy Terra

10,000 is enough to do that.

[pine wedge]

ten thousand, yes. to the point that it's one of their names

(The Ten Thousand)

[bronze tinsel]

makes sense

[pine wedge]

they've started venturing out into the imperium as well though

can't sell models of an army that never leaves the imperial palace lol

[azure knoll]

weren't they the ten thousand before the war in the webway?

[dusk patrol]

Yes, by the end of the siege they had only a few hundred left

Over the next 10,000 years they slowly rebuilt their numbers

They lost around 2000+ Custodes during the battle for lions gate, and obviously have been much more active and lost a lot more then is normal

So they’re likely understrength a fair amount but nothing too crazy

[pine wedge]

including 5 of them getting btfo'd when the first norn emissary showed up

lol

[dusk patrol]

Technically it was like the third which was found the other two didnt get that close though

[azure knoll]

tf is norn emissary and how are new phyrexians invading the 40k universe already

(elesh norn)

[pine wedge]

enormous tyranid killing machine

norn in this case refers to the norn queens that live at the heart of a tyranid hive fleet

[storm jungle]

Its a hive tyrant

but faster

[azure knoll]

why norn queen name

[storm jungle]

[azure knoll]

elesh norn isn't a tyranid please god

[storm jungle]

SHUT UP ABOUT ELESH NORN

[azure knoll]

i like slivers but keep em separate

[storm jungle]

[azure knoll]

NO

[storm jungle]

your flesh-wife isnt real

[azure knoll]

SHE METAL RELIGIOUS MOMMY

flesh wife?

first of all, thank you. second of all, yes flesh but its like... i dunno

the weak bits of armor

[storm jungle]

bro she literally is half-gore

so you tell me

[pine wedge]

dunno. it's an old name, been in use since 4th edition

[azure knoll]

it's either like a 50 50 of some metal/rock material and fleshy stuff

there's also phyrexian goop that they use

[storm jungle]

Its a norse female goddess name, tyranids use a lot of old timey terms for their units

[pine wedge]

or even older? first reference might have been white dwarf 146 from 1992(!)

[storm jungle]

same as how theres a flying unit called Harridan

aka "old hag"

lol

[pine wedge]

old timey term LMAO. but true enough, lictor is also a historical term (bodyguards of a roman consul)

[azure knoll]

literally mother of machines

[storm jungle]

Im sorry i confused it with the norse myths from 2020

[azure knoll]

so must be mechanical to a certain degree

[storm jungle]

[azure knoll]

all phyrexians seem to be

[storm jungle]

idk DnD lore so beats me

[azure knoll]

not even dnd

quite separate

[storm jungle]

oh right MtG

same thing to be fair

[azure knoll]

to a certain degree

[queen laurel]

my intrusive thoughts are really really making me want to do the joke

[azure knoll]

everything seems to be a subsection of mtg lately, what with all the collabs

[queen laurel]

i call it the Fortnite of card games

[azure knoll]

cuz planeswalkers just do whatever tf they want

abbadon is best friends with rakdos i feel like

[queen laurel]

shit they actually have monster hunter too

[pine wedge]

played monster hunter for the first time recently. what a strange fucking game

[queen laurel]

what's strange about a man killing a giant monster

[azure knoll]

devil ho

[storm jungle]

I tried it but i just could not get into it

[queen laurel]

i like the setting

[pine wedge]

aesthetics of a cheap korean mmo, gameplay depth of a fucking fighting game??

very weird

[queen laurel]

Of course it's always a master class at monster design

[queen laurel]

wait did you go with rise?

[pine wedge]

yeah that was the cheapest one. copped it through humble bundle sale for 10 eurodollars with some friends

[queen laurel]

yeah that's the one that means harder with the asian aesthetic

Other Monster Hunter games have their own aesthetics from other world cultures and stuff

[pine wedge]

it's not just the asian thing

[queen laurel]

the weapons?

[pine wedge]

also the UI, the textures and animations, the endless barrage of tutorial popups

lol

just the way the whole game looks

[queen laurel]

yeah i can see it

[pine wedge]

and presents itself

it seems deeply unserious

and then it hits you with "sike, this shit is actually really complex"

[queen laurel]

true

[pine wedge]

like

having to "pick up" DLC from the "mail merchant" gave me flashbacks to some of the stuff in maplestory

[green loom]

Send trader

[queen laurel]

Jonathos "Mad" Kyron at your service

[winged jacinth]

Im kinda surprised people didn't know about the Norn, they appear in a fair amount of media in their role as "the Fates but Norse"

[rocky gale]

There's so many different variations on the Fates in different cultural groups

The Moirai, the Parcae, the Rozhanitsy, the Wyrdsisters, then each baltic and balkan culture has their own variation

The Morrigan could also be seen as potentially a derivation of the Fates, since they are also tied to ideas of life, death and destiny.

[thorn zenith]

the world is more connected than anyone would think, like how a good bit of languages have similar roots

[rocky gale]

Forget Eisenhorn, the show that I want to see from GW is 40k Bridgerton with a bunch of Spire Nobles

[tough haven]

especially when it comes to scandinavian languages

[rocky gale]

Hey GW's releasing a non Warhammer thing

[storm jungle]

Age of Sigmar lookin ah box

[vast crystal]

What is this

Like high fantasy or smth

[gray umbra]

Talisman is fun

[rose thorn]

i hope aos gets a more chinese mythos faction eventually

but not a china rip off

[queen laurel]

looks at Cathay

[dusk patrol]

That’s Grand Cathay to you peasant

[queen laurel]

Do i look like the type of guy to call them by the full name

[dusk patrol]

True, two syllables is already asking a lot.

[arctic talon]

Make it based on Chinese Opera

I want Opera masks

I am not biased

[dusk patrol]

Mfw Total Warhammer made the whole “skip the Greentide kills everyone” in that corner of the map even more awkward

[arctic talon]

💀

god

Well Catahy got fucked by Chaos Dwarves + skaven

and then the Orcs

fucking smashed the Chorfs + skaven

and what was left of cathay

[queen laurel]

If i'm going to be honest there is like two green things next to cathay

The maggot lord and grimgor

Then you add the fact one of the f****** closest enemies their literally can just teleport inside

[dusk patrol]

They got hit by a lot at once but it’s still kinda funny

Same as Bretonnia just got its finish ignored mostly and they forgot about Skarsnik

The dumbest shit ever is still the “Uh oh time for a final battle everyone teleport to the same spot”

[queen laurel]

Didn't he literally disappear from the middle of the series because of that

[dusk patrol]

That was the most “Ugh just end it” part lol

[dusk patrol]

Something like that, they actually just forgot about him

[queen laurel]

Skarsnik has his own book same with queek

I'm surprise they forgot him

[dusk patrol]

Too many characters they had to kill off every book

[arctic talon]

They forgor about Skarsnik

[queen laurel]

True

[arctic talon]

somehow

[queen laurel]

Yeah one of the most well known or characters and most unique

[dusk patrol]

It is a very Skarsnik ending

[arctic talon]

also Ikit claw might have lived(somehow)

after fucking nuking the black pyramid of nagash

[queen laurel]

But he's dead in aos right

[arctic talon]

Maybe?

[dusk patrol]

I think only uh

[arctic talon]

there's someone with a very similiar name

[dusk patrol]

The white rat bumblefuck and the assassin dude

[arctic talon]

nvm he's alive

Ikrit

Is his new name

and he's gone completely insane

[queen laurel]

Shame he did not develop the same violent tendencies as the realm slayer

[arctic talon]

He has skaven power armor

like straight up fully armored

[queen laurel]

And gotrek is traveling with an elf

[arctic talon]

only thing exposed are his eyes

[queen laurel]

He definitely sobered up with his travels with felix

He doesn't want to brain every aelf he sees now to a point

[arctic talon]

Ikrit has quite literally stormcasted himself

[dusk patrol]

Gotrek without Felix is just sad and lame

[arctic talon]

biggest brained rat

[queen laurel]

Storm cast yourself now

[queen laurel]

Yeah the thing is he's basically a walking blender as a character

He's like only a few times more interesting than grimgor

[arctic talon]

yeah he gets his head chopped off and he dissapears in a bolt of green lightning

He also doesn't like the GHR(big suprise)

[dusk patrol]

Ikit claw is blasting off agaiiiinnnnn

[queen laurel]

He doesn't?

Why is that

[arctic talon]

not in AoS

because everyone and everything he knew is dead

and he's been forced to survive for thousands of years

trying to keep himself from going insane or dying

[queen laurel]

Did he just finally go crazy and decided to live like a f****** brain hemorrhaging rat

[arctic talon]

He's pretty much gone completely insane, his goals are to become truly immortal and to unite the skaven under his rule

he also only shows up in a single book

and gets mentioned like once outside of that

[queen laurel]

And let me guess he's going to build a megazord to fight the great horned rat in a great kaiju battle

[arctic talon]

idfk lol

[queen laurel]

Honestly just kill him

[arctic talon]

he has Skaven airships

[queen laurel]

The guy is dying

[arctic talon]

the guy is stormcast

or skavencast?

rat cast?

Vermincast

[queen laurel]

Call it vermin cast

[arctic talon]

yeah point being he can't die anymore lol

at least not normally

maybe he'll get mentioned in the new skaven like

battletome

[queen laurel]

Molecular and spiritual obliteration?

[arctic talon]

body doesn't matter, need to stop his soul from escaping somehow

its not like he's often in the mortal realms anyways

he has a weird lab/subrealm cut off from it

[queen laurel]

He has a lab that is in its own pocket realm

Can this guy literally just do something cool instead of laughing like a maniac at making a triple barrel rotating minigun shotgun

[rose thorn]

Literally their entire thing is a fucking wall

[queen laurel]

Yeah the great wall of china thing wasn't subtle

[rose thorn]

Honestly making a Chinese harlequins faction for AOS would be baller

Literlaly only one thing I actually like in Cathy is the terracotta guys

https://static1.thegamerimages.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2022/02/Total-War-Warhammer-3-Grand-Cathay-Terracotta-Sentinel.jpg

Which would be baller storm casts tbh….

[queen laurel]

What you don't like the jade lions and the

Lung dragons

Jesus christ i can't say it they're basically just super fantasy china

[rose thorn]

I like the jade lions but I forgot they existed lmao

[rose thorn]

I’m annoyed there isn’t anything else to them, AOS factions are great because they are never just one thing

[queen laurel]

What

Well this is shit

[rose thorn]

Embed failure

https://tenor.com/view/drmanhattan-watchman-delete-erase-gif-4932378

[queen laurel]

How about i embed a metal plate straight to your face by punching it

[queen laurel]

Yeah this guy

Saytang the sentinel of the skies

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah I love the statues

Probably because they actually FUCKING UNIQUE

They use the architecture theme

[queen laurel]

Yeah

A lot of the stuff borrows too much into the chinese aesthetic

[rose thorn]

A faction known for a giant wall, using bricks and clay and concrete to build their defenders works really well

Ancient defends as ancient as their wall

[queen laurel]

Yeah but

[rose thorn]

Which isn’t even that unqiue

But it’s something

[queen laurel]

You know

[rose thorn]

Better then bretonnia

[queen laurel]

Ah Brettonia

[arctic talon]

Cathay lowkey boring

[queen laurel]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

In many ways aesthetically

I enjoy the basic stuff though

Just the lords/heros are uh

Boring ig?

[queen laurel]

The dragon siblings are good

[arctic talon]

Legendary lords Im fine with

[queen laurel]

I mean they turn into f****** dragons

[arctic talon]

The basic lords and heros are a little boring

Not ostentatious enough

Lol

[rose thorn]

I might paint my stormcasts like the statues but I’m a sucker for golems

[queen laurel]

I'm surprised in imrik doesn't get a relationship bonus with them

[arctic talon]

💀

[queen laurel]

It would be very funny

Come on CA

Do it for the memes

[arctic talon]

Lord magistrate is lame

Tbh

Same with the uh

I forgot the name

💀

[queen laurel]

You would think they would have a mount or something

Like a terracotta sentinel

[celest dome]

Cathay could be way more interesting.
But it isn't

[celest dome]

Cathayn Lord get a relationship bonus but Imrik doesn't

Because Imrik like them but it's not the reciprocal

[crystal forum]

GW seems to have a trend of creating vaguely asian inspired factions and then neglecting them huh

[dusk patrol]

I wouldn’t call White Scars neglected

40k they don’t have quite as much but 30k they have a ton of focus

[green loom]

On that Administratum grind

[gray umbra]

Space dmv

[celest dome]

I think they could have done iconic Chinese folk stories but having them be warhammerised

One of the main thing that I think they should have done is the Chinese Zodiac story, having Cathay have 12+1 Province, with 1 being taken over by Skaven (The Rat) and the other being represented either by Draconic beings or by character like the Monkey Prince.

[green loom]

Oh this Jae quest was great

I figured since my dude was a guard guy he was used to just droning on doing nothing for days on end so he'd be able to just wait through the queue no problem

Much to Jae's annoyance

[rose thorn]

A lot of the old world factions were just based off of racist caricatures, and I guess Asian stuff wasn’t popular in Western European countries?

Luckily now only the British government tries to sell racist caricatures to people instead of gw

[young pecan]

Not talking about caricatures here but always loved seeing Cathay caravans go through three different biomes of corrupted hellhole on that grindset

Maybe I should start another TWH3 save

[leaden pilot]

Yeah no suprise Brits made the French seem like backwards, unwashed, feudal knights worshipping some lady from the lake

[arctic talon]

you forgot extremely brutal feudalism smh

[leaden pilot]

Yeah

[vast crystal]

Why do people do this. Like in general

What is it with fiction writing and people just mashing shit Asian cultures in a vague haphazard way

[gray umbra]

because katanas

[arctic talon]

tbf GW has not mashed east asian cultures together in Old World/WHFB

cathay is literally just fantasy china

But uh

its because people are less familiar with east asian culture so they just do what looks cool/sounds cool

Leading to such masterpieces as this

[vast crystal]

Thanks for reminding me of this absolute gem

[arctic talon]

also the did the character for fire wrong

so its just

big

[rocky gale]

You know despite everyone calling them French, Bretonnia is actually more of a caricature of medieval Britain

Like sure the Knights are French, but like that's because the English nobility at the time were Normans and spoke French

[arctic talon]

Bretonnia is a weird mash up

of like france and england history and mythology

[rocky gale]

Yea

Just like in real history

English and French history are incredibly interlinked

and like many of the ideas of chivalry and the lady of the Lake etc are about the English because they're about King Arthur, but most of those stories are written by the French

[leaden pilot]

Yeah I know, Lady of the Lake is literally from King Arthur

[rocky gale]

So Bretonnia is like a caricature of England through the perspective of the French, made by the English

Like in the Total War games all the Knights are French, but the peasants are English

[green loom]

A lot of Arthurian myth is also French

[crystal forum]

because this stuff was created in the 80's and people didnt give a shit

[rocky gale]

Yea most Arthurian myths are Anglo fanfics written by the French

[paper haven]

It's sort of amazing that a lot of mythology is just fanfics that got canonized.

[thorn zenith]

Like book of solomon or something similar whose name i could not immediately recall with confidence that basically became the basis of abrahamic demon lore

[outer wave]

Goetia or The Lesser Key of Solomon

Ars Goetia*

[thorn zenith]

Yes, that

[outer wave]

Its wild cuz I believe that whole thing was basically making fun of people who believed hard into mysticism and applying it to hard sciences but I may be wrong on that

[thorn zenith]

Bruh if that was the case modern audiences took it the opposite way lmao

[outer wave]

Yep lmao

It worked in its day

Nowadays it's mostly not needed due to majority of us believing in science for medical procedures

Buuut it's cool as hell to bring up so fuck it

[crisp heath]

Fellas

I think angron coming back from the dead every time he dies is bad

Makes him seem less cool and people who kill him less cool if the dude will just show up again later to wreck shit

[outer wave]

That's also an issue with bringing the primarchs back tbh

[arctic talon]

All daemons do that

[crisp heath]

And it makes them way less cool

[arctic talon]

[crisp heath]

Turns em into Saturday morning cartoon villains

“Drat, I’ve been foiled again by those meddling space marines! I’ll get you next time guilliman!”

[arctic talon]

Okay but angron is still threatening and he wins often

There’s only two times he’s died since coming back one was from blowing up the fucking planet he was on

The other was almost wiping out most of the dark angels and their successors present

And then almost killing Lion

Like

If you had said Mortarion I’d agree with you

But angron no lol

Angron has been smashing skulls in and has had a good showing

[thorn zenith]

We should get Russ back, about time we get a jobber from the imperium side

[plush mason]

Russ will come as a giant giga werewolf

[arctic talon]

Imperium jobs all the time, it’s just rarely named characters specifically

Actually that also is sort of a lie

Celestine jobs a lot lol

[plush mason]

and when Russ comes back as said giant werewolf all the space wolves will mutant into them, but still be sane and have full use of their weapons

[arctic talon]

Since she can’t die

[plush mason]

this is all just a complete joke btw, GW would never revamp the whole space wolf line like that kekw

[arctic talon]

I mean

[thorn zenith]

yea but Celestine is just an SoB with wings tho?

Not someone established as fuckass powerful

[arctic talon]

She’s superhuman

She’s far stronger then any normal human being

Unfortunately she has the curse of being someone who’s immortal in 40k

Which means she’ll lose

A lot lol

Compared to a character who isn’t immortal

Especially since she’s an older character

[thorn zenith]

yea i understand, they can toss her under the bus without other writers going upset they yeeted her just like that

[plush mason]

doesnt she have to doom slayer her way through hell to resurrect or something?

[arctic talon]

#1 chaos jobber is Mortarion

For some reason

[arctic talon]

She has to climb over a mountain of her own dead bodies

And gather her armor and weapons

And some other stuff iirc

[plush mason]

oh

[rose thorn]

which faction would have the most blue hair and pronounce

[plush mason]

lmao

which faction has the most thin-skinned incels playing it rn?

the answer to that question is my answer to your question

[arctic talon]

most pronouns goes to Orks smh

there's the msot orks

[thorn zenith]

blue hair is probably tzeentch

[green loom]

Broadly? Imperial guard/marines
Specifically? Probably Black Templars

[arctic talon]

💀

[plush mason]

lmao

[tough haven]

Orks identify as a problem and/or a threat

[crisp heath]

Yall act like GW doesn't have a designated nonbinary faction

[vast crystal]

Sanguineius may be my favorite primarc. But guilliman is the best in my opinion

[arctic talon]

which one Orks?

idfk

[outer wave]

Mechanicus to an extent

[plush mason]

there is literally 3 factions in the imperium alone that dont give a shit about gender

the custodies the space marines and the admech

all 3 of them are transhuman as all hell

the first 2 are literally called post-humans

the 3rd are cyborgs

the imperium is so so so so so far from the "bastion of human purity" the idiot incels think and claim it is its funny

[queen laurel]

You know the fact that the incels love the custodes because they were all male but then the fact that the guardian of their incredibly bad father and so called god apparently had women in them and so that's the problem

It's like what the f*** is wrong with you people

[plush mason]

they are incels, there very existance is an insult to all humanity

if you distil every single negative trait of humanity into one being you get an incel

[queen laurel]

And that is always the case

[crisp heath]

Mechanicus

[plush mason]

yeah its wild, normally out-groups are a mix bag of good and bad people just like the mainstream ones, but with incels there is nothing redeeming about them

[queen laurel]

But of course we can only ignore them because apparently the only way to change their mind is beating them to death with a hammer with welded on spikes

[plush mason]

which is sadly illegal

[outer wave]

Yes, murder is illegal

[queen laurel]

Indeed it is Rowlet

It is a shame

[plush mason]

wtf is a rowlet?

[outer wave]

Isnt that a pokemon?

This lil shit

[queen laurel]

Yes

[plush mason]

oh lol

yeah my pfp does kinda look like that

[queen laurel]

If you squint and look far away

[plush mason]

yeah

[outer wave]

Yuh

[plush mason]

its a mallard duckling from WoW in case anyone is wondering

[crystal forum]

somebody fucking kill me

i have nowhere else to complain about this

i invited an american to my place and i thought he could handle alcohol since he's 20 but apparently not. vomited over my whole living room

[outer wave]

Oh Jesus

[crystal forum]

today is not a fucking good day

[outer wave]

No thats pretty awful

[queen laurel]

Did you ask him in the first place ?

[crystal forum]

yes i did

[queen laurel]

and he said yes i would assume

[crystal forum]

he said he could handle himself

but i should have taken the hint when he said he'd never been super drunk before

[outer wave]

What sorta stuff did he have? Beer or stronger stuff?

[crystal forum]

some gin and rum

[queen laurel]

Yeah maybe he can only handle the weak stuff

[crystal forum]

yeah

[outer wave]

Yeah likely

[crystal forum]

partially my fault for assuming he could handle it

but holy shit my day is fucked

taking care of a super drunk person is like taking care of a sick kid

gotta give them a place to vomit and carry them to the shower

[queen laurel]

always have a puke bucket

[crystal forum]

anyways thanks for letting me vent guys now i try to sleep on the sofa since he's taking my entire bed i guess

[queen laurel]

Remember that

[outer wave]

Make sure hes on his side

[thorn zenith]

lmaoooooo the absolutely demolished drunk experience

this is why you remain aware of your limits

[plush mason]

tbf he is only 20

so whatever booze he had here in the states he had to ether get from older friends or steal/lie about his age/use a fake card

[dusky scroll]

1v1, are chaos marines better in combat than regular marines?

lore wise, not on tabletop

[queen laurel]

Both have the same equipment it could honestly be a toss up

Most of the time they are equals

[sacred ginkgo]

It depends on whether or not one of them has a name

[dusky scroll]

Don't chaos marines have the option to use warp magic/enhancements to boost themselves up?

[queen laurel]

some of the higher chosen and champion

[outer wave]

Some chaos marines are vets from the heresy, so they can be more experienced, but most of their gear is older and out of date

[fallow parcel]

You know what I’m bored of the imperium we know so many details about them that I wouldn’t be surprised if at some point they explained what Guillimans favourite toilet paper brand is

I wanna learn more about the eldar or the tau perhaps flesh them out some more add more named characters and the like maybe more necron stuff

[young pecan]

Nurgle blessed fellows are more durable but probably more sluggish? I don't know about the other chaos fellows but Nurglish corruption definitely gives an objective advantage in one way

I would assume being slower is the trade off especially because bloating and sloshin aboot

[fallow parcel]

Nurgle followers are at times effectively immortal they feel no pain and are often incredibly durable likely if a Nurgle space marine were to show up in darktide it would canonically take a day for the battle to actually end if the squad was good enough to kill it

[young pecan]

As the other person said, we have names so we take the dub xd

I actually don't know how much tankier the average nurgle marine is

[fallow parcel]

Imagine for a moment a mortar shell landed in a Nurgle space marines chest and exploded

You now need to send at least 20 more to stop his continued advance

[queen laurel]

so basically very tough

[fallow parcel]

They are terrifying

Not from how quickly they can fuck you up but by the fact they cannot be stopped

[young pecan]

That says cripple not kill, so I would say it's safe to assume they wouldn't be SUUUPER tanky compared to a non-chaos marine, right?

Definitely substantially more

[fallow parcel]

Point is a normal space marine can get his leg chopped off and he’s not fine the Nurgle space marine just keeps walking

[young pecan]

True that

[sacred ginkgo]

The only issue with that is we have munitions that are nearly overkill for marines

[fallow parcel]

True you can kill space marines easily

If they didn’t have plot armour that counters the warp

[queen laurel]

Veterans have krak grenades and a plasma gun

[young pecan]

I would assume a plasma rifle would help kill a nurgle marine way better than actual firearms, right?

[sacred ginkgo]

Zealots have thunder hammers

[queen laurel]

If they can get the drop on the marine the damn thing is dead

[fallow parcel]

Unless that marine is plot relevant

[queen laurel]

an ogryn can tear apart marine with its bare hands

and psyker

[sacred ginkgo]

Death guard are tough 5, a plasma is strength 7, more if overcharged

In other words

Yes

[queen laurel]

I don't need to explain that one

[young pecan]

Then they'll make him teleport away in a smoke bomb for us to actually kill a couple of months later, in a special mission :^)

[fallow parcel]

Bolters plasma and anything stronger than a standard grenade would probably do the trick

[young pecan]

Makes sense, plasma is too good

[fallow parcel]

Psykers are as usual the superior humans in every way having 2 every effective murder methods for large durable targets

[sacred ginkgo]

The plague marine champion thinking he’s hot shit until he notices the 3 krak grenades stuck to his breastplate

[young pecan]

So as a psyker

Are what your powers do randomly assigned at birth, or is there a way to change/intentionally learn abilities?

[fallow parcel]

Just pop the head

It depends on the level of psyker

[queen laurel]

it can depend on what school they use on the what power level they're on

[fallow parcel]

And how they are/aren’t taught

[queen laurel]

For example bio mancers can literally use their power to match a space marine

[young pecan]

I know power level is a birth skill issue but I mean what the actual power does

[queen laurel]

Or a diviner could predict the future to some degree I think

[young pecan]

So it is a taught thing

[fallow parcel]

I think rogue trader explained diviners pretty well

[queen laurel]

yes

[fallow parcel]

They basically have some method in their mind in which the warp can whisper to them the diviner companion describes their own method as a door that’s slightly opened

[young pecan]

Idira shaking me out of bed to tell me she saw two skeletons throwing it back on a road made of broken glass and marble

"...ok"

[fallow parcel]

Pyromancer is what you expect

Fire

Fire

And more fire

[queen laurel]

and biomancers can do this

[sacred ginkgo]

Have they fixed the issue of her having heretical 2 but not 1?

[fallow parcel]

She is unsanctioned

[young pecan]

Not a clue, haven't gotten super duper far into the game nor played in a while

[fallow parcel]

Also I’m gonna go play it in a bit so I’ll let you know

Telepathy psykers can lift crush or affect the mind and body of another being

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/ee-gif-22377425

[fallow parcel]

Outside of tabletops and games psykers aren’t really restricted on what they can do with the warp

Well so long as they don’t mind the demons

[queen laurel]

yeah they can imitate a lot of fictional powers

As long as they have proper control that is

[young pecan]

Are there psykers who enslave daemons?

[queen laurel]

yeah chaos

A demon familiar

[young pecan]

I'm sure they would have to be very strong but I'm sure they could

[fallow parcel]

The shards of hatred for example from the very game this server is for doesn’t fall under any specific criteria for a psyker

[young pecan]

Can an uncorrupted psyker use daemons for good?

[fallow parcel]

No

[young pecan]

So no enslaving, moreso bonding or something

[fallow parcel]

A psyker who consorts with demons will fall to chaos one way or another

[queen laurel]

yeah a radical inquisitor summoning a daemon host if they want to get shot in the head

[young pecan]

That sounds a little creatively-restricting

[thorn zenith]

I do find it funny that sanctic power is just like any other and isnt tied to the big e

[fallow parcel]

Generally messing with warp stuff is never smart for a psyker regardless of species unless your an orc

[young pecan]

It's not just faith magic?

[queen laurel]

Orks use the warp just for ***** and giggles

And their Psykers have their own power source

[thorn zenith]

probably, but it doesnt really garuntee protection from normal warp shenanigans, at least in rogue trader

[queen laurel]

the WWAAAAAAAAAAAAGGHH!!!!

[fallow parcel]

You use too much warp magic and you start looking like a very very bright light in the warp and every demons gonna look at that and try to take a bite

[queen laurel]

yeah that's why eldar souls are very delectable

It's incredibly bright and very psychically attuned to the warp

[fallow parcel]

It’s also why the eldar dont just walk up and steamroll the imperium

[young pecan]

And then if it's a strong psyker they probably use even more power fending off said daemons, which would be like a progressively-worse feedback loop until they fall?

[young pecan]

^

[fallow parcel]

Most psykers are never good enough to reach a level of stability in which they cannot be corrupted

Or rather

The imperium never lets them

Their fear of witchcraft leads them to killing off psykers on mass

[young pecan]

Psykahs for the psykah throne

something something get on the ship dork

[fallow parcel]

And sanctioned psykers are never allowed to advance their abilities as their constant surveillance would deem them a heretic trying to consort with demons for even thinking about trying to become a stronger psyker

Point is

Being a psyker sucks

Full stop

Unless your in the alpha level and didn’t get outright murdered or forever trapped in a titan being a psyker sucks

[thorn zenith]

And it sucks both ways either you are imperium or heretic

[fallow parcel]

Yup possession is a bitch

The eldar themselves are some of the most powerful psykers in the entire universe and yes that includes some being stronger than the emperor however due to slanesh and the other demons they are forced to restrain themselves from using their full power

Reminder the eldar fought the necron and their gods so well they went to bed for thousands of years

[arctic talon]

tbf

if an Eldar decides to stop restraining themselves

they'll prolly kill whatever they want to kill before you know

dying

[fallow parcel]

True but death is usually not preferred as usually their spirit stone will shatter from the level of power they employ

And slanesh will likely be waiting at the door to swallow them in whatever hole they think would be funniest

[arctic talon]

tbh their soul might just get straight up sucked out their body

doing that shit

either way not likely someone would do that

[fallow parcel]

Yup

Eldar are so damn interesting yet we get so little on them

Same with the tau

[arctic talon]

Well

we have a good bit on the Eldar

they get the benefit of being old

[fallow parcel]

We just don’t know enough not to mention the nonstop Ls they had to take because of space marine bias

[arctic talon]

thats just Gav thrope

lol

He really likes Eldar losing

despite also really liking Eldar

[fallow parcel]

God kaine

Poor kaine

Someday someone’s gonna kill him using guardsmen

[arctic talon]

Avatar of Khaine on the tabletop is decent

lol

[fallow parcel]

Not in the story unfortunately

Dude gets bodied by named characters every 2 days

But if there’s one faction that is hopelessly neglected

It’s the tau

[arctic talon]

leagues of votann sorry they aren't real

my bad

Tau get lore

just not a ton

[fallow parcel]

Sure they were the most recent faction but we still don’t know much about them

[queen laurel]

yeah they also literally just got new models

Kroot yes

[fallow parcel]

They like greater good

[arctic talon]

we know a lot about Tau society

from recent books

tbf

[queen laurel]

But kroot is Krott

[arctic talon]

also the Tau def aren't the most recent faction

from a like getting lore perspective

GSC

LoV also are new but they aren't real

[fallow parcel]

I meant in terms of xenos

[arctic talon]

LoV are Xenos

they're unassociated with the imperium

[fallow parcel]

Damn I’m behind again

[arctic talon]

well alien in the sense of like

society

they're abhumans(technically)

but also they hate the imperium lol

[fallow parcel]

Still I want more tau focused stories

[arctic talon]

we got quite a few in 9e

tbf

[fallow parcel]

Have a named firewalker beat a space marine by the skin of their teeth to defend a settlement

[arctic talon]

or 2 ig?

Farsight books

at least

also besides marines/the imperium lose alot anyways

starting 8e lul

Imperium has not won a warzone book so far

[fallow parcel]

You know what I wanna see most from the space marines

[queen laurel]

getting their models discontinued?

[fallow parcel]

The ultra marines losing

[arctic talon]

they did

bruh

Vigilus

they got their fucking asses beat lol

[queen laurel]

and ogham

[fallow parcel]

Oh right

Do it more

[queen laurel]

the tyranids did the brain thing

[arctic talon]

the 2nd company got nearly wiped to a man

and Calgar got his ass beat by Abbadon

the UM do lose

they've kind of been taking a lot of L's

lol

[fallow parcel]

I just remember their wins

[queen laurel]

has khorne use the infinite amount of power he's getting from the wars here to actually do something instead of sticking his ******* mobility scooter

[fallow parcel]

They do so much impossible shit

[arctic talon]

Well

literally everyone does that shit

💀

[queen laurel]

yeah factions breaks established lore all the time

you'd know how to break a void shield?

[arctic talon]

Squig + ork bike

🐐

[fallow parcel]

Also since someone mentioned abandon didn’t he at one point get his ass kicked by an eldar?

[queen laurel]

Just give drugs to an ork and tell them to crash his bike face first into the Titan

[arctic talon]

abbadon?

[fallow parcel]

Ye

[arctic talon]

idfk

probably?

I don't know enough about him

to comment

[fallow parcel]

Some farseer kicked in his shit in hand to hand combat

[arctic talon]

Oh that was Eldrad in old 13th black crusade lor

*lore

I'd like to mention Eldrad also fucking died

in that lol

GW retconned the whole thing

[fallow parcel]

Lol sounds about right

[arctic talon]

Well

that lore fucking sucked

so who cares?

eldrad dying was fucking lame

especially since he accomplished nothing

and died

Original 13th black crusade getting retconned was better for the lore

[queen laurel]

just like the Eldar book series

[arctic talon]

I think you do not comprehend how shit it was

[queen laurel]

very accurate

[arctic talon]

Path of the eldar isn't real except for the world building

you cannot convince me otherwise

[fallow parcel]

Let the eldar get some W’s

[arctic talon]

They do

[fallow parcel]

More W’s

[arctic talon]

Sure

[queen laurel]

Yeah they do get some but the psychosexual need of GW to dunk on them is like I said strong

[fallow parcel]

More W’s for everyone

[arctic talon]

Gav thrope

well

someone needs to take the L for W

lol

[queen laurel]

orks are just there for mostly Comic Relief so they're fine

They do get some victories and some narratives but you know it doesn't ******* matter because there are

orks

[fallow parcel]

the orks are fine they just like fight

Elite

I shall curse you to be isekaied into the warhammer world

[queen laurel]

EliteWolf put the Musket/Bolter in your mouth man it's not worth it

[arctic talon]

No

I will kill myself

myself

[fallow parcel]

Nah he in the warhammer universe death is never the end

Also which chaos god and why?

Personally slanesh excess pleasure without the usual restraint the human mind would place on itself wouldn’t be all that bad especially since it just has to be a specific kind of excess to make slanesh happy

Drink as much alcohol as you want

Take drugs

So on and so forth

[queen laurel]

Khorne

I just want to go ape shit

[fallow parcel]

Understood

Same

But I just think slanesh would be a better choice for me

[thorn zenith]

The current world is going slaanesh and khorne route

[rocky gale]

"I'm not going to explain all the changes because every Sisters battlesheet has been changed in some way"

"Canoness' can now join Retributors"

"Hospitaller can now bring regular Sisters back to life as well as characters"