40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

senile grandfather

at least to me

[storm jungle]

Okay but having read the story he really does make it sound romantic

which is a bit-

[arctic talon]

LOL

[storm jungle]

he even says some shit like

"Do you love me?"

and Obyron is like "WHA-"

[arctic talon]

I have brain rot

[rose thorn]

makes sure boyfriend is safe at all times
make sure boyfriend is happy at all times
takes him out for dates (on battlefield)
makes dinner with him every night

Also some Sisters of Battle stuff is very trans / sapphic coded lmao

[storm jungle]

I forgot which author it was

one of them said on their public blog they were gonna make a trans sister iirc but it fell through

[snow fern]

A trans imperial citizen named themselves are a famous sister, that was sweet

[storm jungle]

she tried including a f/f relationship as well but GW said and i quote

"They are nuns, they dont do that"

me looking at IRL nun relationships

💀

[snow fern]

damn, no wonder I can't arson together with Argenta

But yah monks and nuns famously not homo ever

[rose thorn]

https://preview.redd.it/crrijaesr0wb1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=bf3f6876eb29f68e614c7acdc7f8bae55c08958e

[storm jungle]

This tbh lol

[rose thorn]

Also apologizes for the grimdank

[storm jungle]

I just realised Nate Crowley also wrote the Twice King stuff

so I THINK he was just experimenting here

but like BRO

[rose thorn]

HAGEHWHDHHWHS

WINKED

[storm jungle]

sus

[plush mason]

slugcat

[rose thorn]

Man I love when writers project their irl stuff into 40k characters

Except

When it’s like incel shit

Obv

[arctic talon]

you say this like making a straight incel a villain isn't funny as hell

[rose thorn]

HAVDHHAHDHS true

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/adachi-adachy-persona-4-gif-16909082349622466340

[sacred ginkgo]

Damnit

Faster than me

[arctic talon]

LOL

Adachi's motivations being "I hate women and I'm bored" goes crazy

[sacred ginkgo]

"I joined the police so I could legally carry"

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/adachi-persona4-gun-clap-gif-17527612

[arctic talon]

favorite hobbies: Pointing guns at teenagers, murdering women, cabbages

[rose thorn]

what the bell is he from

[arctic talon]

Persona 4

[rose thorn]

Oh

[arctic talon]

he's just a straight up Incel who's a cop

[rose thorn]

Im starting at 2 damn

[arctic talon]

well

he's pretty obvious imo

he says some very sussy things early game

[rose thorn]

Havdjsbdkej

[arctic talon]

do you know who the final boss of 2 is?

becuase its a good suprise

[rose thorn]

I just started the game :3

[arctic talon]

alr

have fun

[rose thorn]

Thanks!

[arctic talon]

Which persona 2 btw

[rose thorn]

Oh uh

[arctic talon]

the first one or the second one lmao

[rose thorn]

Innocent sin

[arctic talon]

ah

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/lisa-silverman-persona2-innocent-sin-the-kiln-gif-21753157

[arctic talon]

the first one

[rose thorn]

Yea it’s the one pirated obtained legally

[arctic talon]

do not buy it legally lmao

that shit costs so much

[rose thorn]

I KNOW

I was gonna start with 1 but I heard it’s a slog

[arctic talon]

Persona 1 goes straight ass

Persona 2 onwards good

[outer wave]

Oh I got friends that ADORE Persona 2, they'd be happy to hear

[arctic talon]

Persona 3 is my favorite of the bunch

but thats bcs its the first one I played lol

[rose thorn]

:3 I love this fucking blue haired clown

[outer wave]

He's great

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/eikichi-persona2-devious-lick-gif-23169382

[arctic talon]

I will say going from persona 2 to 3 is a shift

Since persona 3 has the social stuff added more heavily in it

[rose thorn]

I got 3 portable illegally but I might just get the remake idk

[outer wave]

P3 remake does look good but I heard some of the writing changes are odd

[crystal forum]

shazam

one of you is in love with an ogryn now

[sacred ginkgo]

Junpei going from a useless physical to an actual god

[outer wave]

I know nothing of how the strength of characters have changed

[sacred ginkgo]

Junpei has an actually fucked crit chance in P3R

Its insane

[outer wave]

Boy deserves it tbh

[arctic talon]

It’s better imo

Reload fleshes out the male cast better

Since you have the hangout sessions with em

[sacred ginkgo]

I watched my friend utterly obliterate the Strega duo fight in like 2/3 turns

[arctic talon]

Junpei is

Fucked lol

BIG HITS BIG CRITS

reload is def easier then persona 3 base

[sacred ginkgo]

Koromaru, Junpei, Yukari is one of the best parties I think

Koromaru is here for Revolution

thats it

[arctic talon]

Yukari is insane lol

She is by far the strongest healer in persona

Ever made

[sacred ginkgo]

75% cost salvation

And theurgy

[arctic talon]

[outer wave]

I had a friend point out a certain part where something was worded very weirdly in comparison to the original

[arctic talon]

Not surprised, there’s some changes to how they localized some dialogue

Most of it sounds better though imo

Also this is in it

I do think another loss is how uh mean SEES are to each other initially

They get along better from the start

[outer wave]

Ah damn that stinky

[sacred ginkgo]

Also Fuuka being the best navigator by several miles

[outer wave]

Ace Detective, more like Stupid f--

[green loom]

It seems I've been setting an unrealistic standard for myself to draw faces without references/tracing

Whoops

[arctic talon]

I won’t know if this yukari is homophobic or not until I play the video

[outer wave]

Same

[arctic talon]

The only thing persona 3 reload doesn’t have

Is the strongest buff/debuff casting party member

[crisp heath]

I always meant to get into Shin Megami Tensei but like

There's a lot

[outer wave]

Nocturne is a decent start

[crisp heath]

I've been putting it off for 13 years and I will put it off 13 more

[outer wave]

I recommend going to the seven seas for that though since the steam version is uhhhhhhhh not good

Or at least not for the price

[crisp heath]

Is it psp?

[outer wave]

PS2

[crisp heath]

Oof mine broke finally

[outer wave]

Ooof

[crisp heath]

I was always mad at my mom growing up for not buying me a psp so I could play my niche anime games

Then I finally bought one for myself and all my niche anime games were discontinued

Feels bad man

[outer wave]

Mood

Least we got emulators

[crisp heath]

Uh the guy who makes drones and got fired from Facebook for funding hate groups just released a new Gameboy and plans on re-releasing the entire catalogue

[outer wave]

What a change in career

[crisp heath]

So you know if you have your eyes on any old Pokémon games

It's like $200 tho and limited edition

[outer wave]

Ew

Least its not like Rule of Rose

[crisp heath]

I have my eyes on investing in 2 different games that are probably going to crash and burn

Chromatic (the new Gameboy clone) and Pax Dei

I expect them both to fail but fuck I want them

[outer wave]

Never heard of either

[crisp heath]

Pax Dei is a new MMO by some guys who worked on Eve

It did pretty well in alpha but the money side of things seems iffy, and some people who played alpha think they're releasing too early

[outer wave]

Oo

[crisp heath]

The Chromatic might be a better investment because at least if that fails I get a cool shelf piece since a it's a physical console

[outer wave]

Probably go with the former

You get that physical copy so you permanently have a piece of history on you

[crisp heath]

Lmao there aren't going to be physical copies of Pax Dei

[outer wave]

Yuh

Chromatic sounds relatively better

[crisp heath]

Chromatic also has an entirely new tetris game that already released, it comes with the console, so even if it fails after the initial run there is at least something to play on it

[wintry scarab]

I rewatched the trailer before going to bed and noticed the clipping. Oof. All of these customization screens look very rough. Reiver has two pauldrens that are exactly the same, both sniper and reiver have big clipping with their shoulder pads, the yellow one has a clipping kneepad, the shield is floating. I just hope this game is good man. But i still have that feeling that its just not going to be.

[crisp heath]

I do think Chromatic is the better gamble. If they do start re-releasing Nintendo games, I can rebuild my collection. I had to sell all the working games because broke.

I had Pokémon yellow man

And it still worked

And I had to sell it

[green loom]

So this may come as a shock

But space marines are pretty badly designed

Though I also wouldn't worry too much

It's likely an unfinished preview beta

[outer wave]

I read yellow man as that Shrimp character from Smiling Friends

"How do I look, yel-low man?"

[green loom]

And considering last reveal there was nothing on customization you can assume it's one of the last things they're working on

[crisp heath]

Space Marines are hard to animate and I doubt anyone can do it perfectly. Even if you look at the original Space Marine, Titus' pauldrons do some weird shit

[outer wave]

But yeah no that stinky bro

[crisp heath]

I think it's fine as long as it's not super noticeable during game play

[green loom]

SM1 proportions are also weird

[wintry scarab]

Yeah ik but still, this is a trailer. You would expect these sort of amature mistakes to not be in mainline warhammer game.

[crisp heath]

Space Marine armor being all baroque and stuff helps distract from the fact that their armor makes literally 0 sense

[green loom]

No actually I'd expect worse

Also again, likely marketing trying what they can with the build they were given

[gray umbra]

my question is

[wintry scarab]

From a trailer? I expect the trailers to be the things that are lying to me. This looks too too real lol

[gray umbra]

why are the reivers so cheeked up

[green loom]

They're all cheeked up

Have you looked at intercessors?

[outer wave]

They're humanity's best

Of course they gotta be cheeked up

[gray umbra]

nah intercessors are the thiccy but they're afraid to show it

[wintry scarab]

I aint gay but i also aint complaining

[crisp heath]

Do you think the emperor would strive for perfection in all things except his warriors' holy buttocks?

[gray umbra]

the clap of my dummy thicc genetically altered ass is attracting all the tyranids

titus help

[green loom]

Titus

Tight-us

Tight-*ss

[gray umbra]

[crisp heath]

Isn't Titus his last name? Does he have a first?

[green loom]

Don't think we know

[outer wave]

His first name is Winston

[crisp heath]

Kyle Titus

[storm jungle]

Reivers suffer from the same problem with the mainline Primaris armor, aka no GW designer realised they literally got exposed fibre-clad asses lol

or like

as the trailer itself has shown

how their ass would be bare constantly when running and moving forward

[crisp heath]

Having the exposed butt with a plate to protect it is good armor design because it let's you move but damn is it distracting

[wintry scarab]

I mean they have a little butt flap thing

[gray umbra]

no need for more protection with all that meat

[storm jungle]

yeah but it doesnt cover it

LMAO

Firstborn in comparison have armored-diaper armor

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/745324840097153167/1243650668967759923/image.png?ex=66621171&is=6660bff1&hm=21515ce4f936288bf9cced32ab8f24a266be389a1c09e592fa2fe26dd17b1947&

look at that box-ass

[crisp heath]

I forget what they're called because I've been consuming Odin's elixir but

Armor does generally have flaps of plate or leather that do not touch, but protect the thighs

The butt flap is the same idea

[green loom]

Armoured thigh highs

[crisp heath]

More like knee lows

It's connected to your torso and descends to cover the front of the thigh

[storm jungle]

the primaris butt-flap is small is the thing

it barely actually covers their ass

[crisp heath]

I feel like it's just GW going

[wintry scarab]

Gotta show off what the emperor gave you i guess

[crisp heath]

"People realized our armor makes no sense, include more flexible pieces in the new design"

"Ok I will make the pauldrons smaller"

"You absolutely will fucking not"

[gray umbra]

the skinny jeans are a good look

[vast crystal]

The pauldrons are one of the most iconic parts of the armor

I dont think they even will change it nor do I want them too

Ok, yohan's trademark stupid question™️

"If 40k had an equivalent to the internet. What would it look like?"

[crisp heath]

Noosphere

[outer wave]

You guys been hearing about that rumor of how the 40K Amazon show might be shelved?

[green loom]

Nop

[outer wave]

Just been seeing a headline floating around twitter

[green loom]

Twitter
Ignore it

[outer wave]

I know I know

Its also a rumor so doesnt help anyone

[green loom]

Chances are it's one of the grifters lmao

"Woke agenda cancelling Warhammer????!"

[outer wave]

Oh yeah I imagine theyll jump on it

[river walrus]

Just plain stupid really. Warhammer will not change for woke people, jesus christ

[outer wave]

Its not surprising though; its just what people want to be outraged about

Holy shit this mod looks so awesome....

And Im not one to use unit mods....

[arctic talon]

Mechanicus Noosphere is the closest common equivelent, which is a mix between a hivemind(while in combat) and the internet/radio out of it

[thorn zenith]

Have you witnessed the Space Marine 2 trailer with our boy TitASS

[river walrus]

I larped as Ulgo for more than a thousand sentences i wrote... man i feel weird talking normaly

[outer wave]

When did you start anyway?

[crystal forum]

they've been saying that since the show was just a rumor

[river walrus]

The very start

[outer wave]

Sheeeesh

[crystal forum]

now assume it's a rumour started by the chud crowd since they have a vested interest in it failing

[river walrus]

I started ever since i showed up

I mean check how many times i said Ulgo

[outer wave]

I'm checking and I only got 171 messages which doesn't seem right

[outer wave]

Valid

[river walrus]

Check again in general chat

[outer wave]

Ulgo is messaged 1000+ times, assuming it's anyone saying it, putting it down to you it's about 78 for some reason man mobile kinda sucks

Regardless I believe you

[river walrus]

Yeah

Kinda sad i stopped but its for my mental health. I wanna make real friends with my real personality

[outer wave]

Yeah understandable

For a moment I was thinking you stopped because your Ulgo personality was taking over your life lmao

[river walrus]

Ngl could have eventually if i continued but not the reason i stopped. But good thinkin

Ill prolly still larp in the art chat tho

[outer wave]

Yeah just balance yourself buddy

[river walrus]

Yeah that ill definitly do

[crystal forum]

yeah they gutted mobile

can't even fucking search properly anymore

[outer wave]

I'm noticing it's really bad

[river walrus]

Yup

[crystal forum]

they still havent fixed the fact that the search algorithm sucks ass too at looking for specific words

[outer wave]

Mhmmm

[river walrus]

Yup

Specialy when your phone is from 2018

[outer wave]

Oh god

Is it that bad for 6 year old phones?

[river walrus]

Yes ;_;

[outer wave]

Damn

Kinda lucky I've had like 3 phones within the past 5 years or so? From my first to this one which I really like

[river walrus]

This phone was my first one

Probably will be my last too lmao (until programmed obsolence works its magic)

[outer wave]

Probably for the best; phones are pretty addictive

[river walrus]

Yeah. God damn to short videos. Cant watch the longer ones normaly now

[outer wave]

I got a fun add on for my Ublock on my laptop that blocks most (if not all) shorts from showing up

Suuuuper nice

I also already have ADHD so like lmao

I'll procrastinate anyway! Shorts do nothing to my already stunted brain

[river walrus]

I got ADHD too but i dont wanna end up like those brain rotted people

[outer wave]

Same brother same

Ngl it's a bit scary to see how badly the next generation is doing on that front

[river walrus]

I feel bad for them

Just imagine

One year later and i would be like them

[outer wave]

Yeaaaaah

[river walrus]

Thankfull that at least ill be cobtent with my life drawing and playing videogames all day

Dont get me wrong i also wanna do something with my life but its still very early to know what i wanna do

[outer wave]

If you don't mind me asking, how old are ya?

[river walrus]

19

I dont mind

[outer wave]

LORD WOW YOU ARE YOUNG GOD DAMN

[river walrus]

I know

I get that reaction frequently

[outer wave]

I feel so ancient in comparison Jesus where the years go

I'm 26

[river walrus]

Damn an old fossile over here

[outer wave]

Uughhh... please I'll fall apart at this rate....

[arctic talon]

You’ll be fine

Lol

[river walrus]

https://tenor.com/view/old-man-gif-4679601

Old man

[outer wave]

Anyway yeah you really do have alot of time, but definitely keep that thought at the back of your mind. It'll be a blink and you'll suddenly be 25

😔

[river walrus]

Yeah, i know i wont be as young forever

[outer wave]

Sadly yeah

But in terms of what you wanna do, hoo man you got so much time to think about and where you wanna dip your toes into

[river walrus]

True

[outer wave]

Try different things, see what stick with ya, see what doesn't. I wanted to go into research and work in a lab, but now I'm working to be a medical lab technologist

Life does throw you curve balls in the weirdest ways sometimes

[river walrus]

Yeah, i hated nature but now im thinking of getting myself a nice place. Is what i would say if the economy wasnt stepping on my throat

[outer wave]

HAHA SAME!!

[river walrus]

But hey, it happens. Itll get better

[outer wave]

It always does brother

Even if it doesn't seem that way at the moment, it always does

[river walrus]

The sole reason i havent off myself is that im very logical, things will get better, make most of it

[outer wave]

Or do it to spite everyone or anything that you think is bringing you down, but either works

[river walrus]

Exacly! Logic and spite works hand in hand

[outer wave]

It's the perfect cocktail for life

[river walrus]

Its like i say. If life shits on ya make some fertilizer

I am such a poet sometimes

[crystal forum]

just stay in shape and stop thinking you're old. zoomers dont understand this

it's a mentality thing

[river walrus]

Im 19 and i feel old

[outer wave]

I'm not a zoomer though!

[crystal forum]

26 is zoomer borderline

[outer wave]

And I do go to the gym like twice a week, which isn't enough but you know

I'm pretty okay weight wise, probably a bit underweight but I'm better than months ago

[river walrus]

More than me

[crystal forum]

but yeah the feeling old thing contributes to just being sad i feel

[outer wave]

It's a major component

Especially when you may not have a lot of hobbies

[river walrus]

Im getting into drawing, so thats good

[outer wave]

Romance can also be a factor but I think there's many that try to get around it via hobbies

[crystal forum]

learn an art and change that sadness into feelings of inferiority. works every time

[outer wave]

I paint for fun and for myself and to show off

[young pecan]

Post your pieces when you get them done pal 💪

[outer wave]

^^^

[river walrus]

Will do pal

[outer wave]

Man I want to return to digital art again

[river walrus]

Meh, romance overrated. Friendship underrated

[crystal forum]

just look at what ed is doing. that madman

[arctic talon]

Doesn’t gen z start in 1995 lol

[outer wave]

True!!!!

[crystal forum]

i have bad news for you

[arctic talon]

Idk is it 2000’s

Either way I’m a zoomer lol

[outer wave]

I'd still like to have someone with me but I'm probably too immature emotionally

[crystal forum]

1995 is 29 years ago

im sorry elite

[river walrus]

2023 was a year ago

Feel old now

[arctic talon]

Lol

[crystal forum]

dont feel forced sex is overrated except i also need it to survive

[arctic talon]

I don’t feel that old bcs I’m only 21 lol

[outer wave]

It really is tbh

[river walrus]

True, someone to trust, to talk and understand you. I get ya man

[outer wave]

Yeah man it's a great feeling also sex

[river walrus]

I know but being understood is so much better... wont say no to sex tho

[crystal forum]

the cause of, and the solution to, all of life's problems

[outer wave]

Yeah it really is

[river walrus]

The sex part or understanding part?

[outer wave]

... Yes

No the understanding part

[river walrus]

Ah, ye old "yes" choice

[outer wave]

I'm quite the master of it

[river walrus]

Im guessing master of sex 😏

[outer wave]

I WISH

[river walrus]

I guessed wrong

[outer wave]

But yeah I gotta reprioritize other things in a relationship outside of the boom bang bop

[river walrus]

Ayup. Passions great and all but its gotta have fuel for the fire

[outer wave]

Mhmmm

[river walrus]

Anyway have a nice night man

[outer wave]

You as well brother

[crystal forum]

or so i've been told

teehee

[crisp heath]

The first time I have ever seen ulgo not role-playing he was giving relationship advice

[outer wave]

Yeah he first said he'd stop in ogryn chat because it was starting to mess with him mentally

[crisp heath]

I definitely got the role-playing tetris effect as a teen yeah

You can only spend so many hours in character before you forget how to be out of character

[chilly palm]

fellow young people in chat

https://tenor.com/kMHZVfCtri8.gif

[crisp heath]

I just started rereading a 113,000 word fanfic from like 2013 because I thought it would be comforting 😭

[outer wave]

You doomed yourself

[crisp heath]

I've become the old Fandom nerd I wanted to be as a teen and hate it

[outer wave]

Actually if you got the time to read something that long, you should read Umineko--

[crisp heath]

I don't think I could talk about umineko without calling the detective a slur

[outer wave]

Ahhh she appears halfway through, you'll be good

[crisp heath]

Erica or whatever

[outer wave]

Erika yuh

[crisp heath]

No I'm staying in my own lane of autism

And rereading my favorite homestuck fanfic by the woman who would become my favorite science fantasy author

[outer wave]

Dammit....

[crisp heath]

It simply has a much better detective

[outer wave]

I need others to be converted to my autism....

[crisp heath]

But I was just whining because all the paintings have a photo bucket watermark now

Hate how old internet stuff inherently degrades

[outer wave]

Actually kind of the point; she's an awful detective and it's hilarious

[crisp heath]

Unfortunately, Terezi owns

So Erika can eat crow

[outer wave]

No absolutely she deserves it

[crisp heath]

She's not even good at being a bad detective

Terezi is a better bad detective

[outer wave]

Oh no, in the context of what Umineko is talking about, it's the perfect kind of bad detective

I say this absolutely thinking Umineko is peak fiction (which it is)

[crisp heath]

Umineko is literally part of the same franchise as Higurashi

Like I usually don't speak poorly of other peoples interests but

That's just a fact

[outer wave]

Yes and no?

Yes there's characters that make call backs but no it's not necessary to know anything of Higurashi before reading through Umineko

Also would recommend Higurashi but ah it has moments that put people off which I can understand

[rose thorn]

https://youtube.com/shorts/ePe97oVo5Aw?si=r9Q2J5bmihhuuI8e

I wonder why he’s holding a custody…

Weird

||/j||

[vast crystal]

Am I allowed to say I want the skaven in 40k

[outer wave]

You're allowed to, though I admit I personally don't really wanna see that since their niche would have to be rethought out

Lizardmen would be cool though

[vast crystal]

I say that because the skaven are my favorite part from warhammer fantasy

[outer wave]

Oh they're great in fantasy

[vast crystal]

their might be an argument that the imperium just are the skaven of 40k but idk

[outer wave]

They got the spirit tbh

[queen laurel]

Orks already take their place

They talk funny

They have tech that can be more advanced than anyone but can blow up

And the unstable loyalty

[crisp heath]

they were!

think they got squatted though

[arctic talon]

they were never

unless you count the huurd being more rat like initally

in which that case yeah Huurd got retcon'd into being weirder

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/ehtsHfD0SeQ?si=TayddG9NU0xd_3be

[crisp heath]

yeah the hrud

would be cool to see them as a tau auxiliary

Hrud don't really = Skaven anymore

[arctic talon]

well

the Hrud don't get along with anyone

[crisp heath]

I'd like space skaven, but you also have to realize the skavens popularity skyrocketed with vermintide

[arctic talon]

~~skaven also were horribly unfun to play as ~~

[crisp heath]

Before that they weren't super popular

[arctic talon]

unless you really like RNG

in which that case

yes skaven

AoS is worse since you can no longer kill over 1k points of your army turn 1 as skaven with a single bad roll

[crisp heath]

or you like having half your army disintegrate the second your opponent puts up a fight

[arctic talon]

smh GW taking away skaven players right to kill their own army

[crisp heath]

I'll put it like this: I'd like space skaven, but I also don't think there's room for them

[arctic talon]

you can still shoot into fighting skaven though lmao

every 1 = you shoot a rat

[queen laurel]

how much do you think is a good chance that an old skaven player would pick an ork in 40k

[arctic talon]

not chaotic enough

even at orks most chaotic

Skaven guns all exploded on 1's at least

[crisp heath]

not really comparable

[arctic talon]

from both being RNG shitstorms sure ig?

[crisp heath]

Orks play very differently

[arctic talon]

but not really

yeah 40k orks are dif

either way GW should let skaven misfire warplightning cannons into their own army again

so you can get a perfect misfire through a bunch of your clan rats or skaven slaves at once

[crisp heath]

fartshart pls add misfires into vt2

[arctic talon]

warpfire thrower adds mroe warpstone

rolls a 3

everyone fucking dies

[queen laurel]

now that i think about it old warhammer fantasy had a lot of rng like you roll low in this guy you die

That weak spot mechanic is a bit fucky

[crisp heath]

Empire artillery was a fun ride lmao

[arctic talon]

I like old world

a lot tbh

[crisp heath]

I will STAY hating on the end times

[arctic talon]

I think most people hate end times

story wise lol

[crisp heath]

Ordertide canon ending

[arctic talon]

I think AoS is still the best like wargame of the 3? 4?

rn

idfk

[queen laurel]

Apparently assassination can beat anti assassination armor

[arctic talon]

[queen laurel]

because of a door

[crisp heath]

https://preview.redd.it/never-cook-again-v0-fyvbta2k3xfb1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e3ccebf6ae5f4bcef412e6531eb645a0ebd1d6fb

[arctic talon]

Nah I'm right smh

[queen laurel]

i like old world but like

orcs there fucking basic

[arctic talon]

I don't even play AoS the most lol

I play 40k the most

but imo AoS plays the best

[queen laurel]

Like they are so bland that the only saving grace they had was the characters

[crisp heath]

The gobbos more than made up for it

[queen laurel]

Aos you have picks

[outer wave]

The joke is that he continued to cook and became a master chef

[crisp heath]

absolute street creatures

[shadow plover]

Yeah AoS is a very good game what I've gathered

Better than Fantasy ever was

[queen laurel]

Yeah but in AOS they are solo and they can actually hold their own in battle \

[arctic talon]

bloodbowl goblins

have sick armor lol

[queen laurel]

i mean blood bowl is just a mixture of medieval armor with football armor

[arctic talon]

there's one I haven't seen in either AoS or WHF for goblins

[crisp heath]

If they kept the setting and general movement of WHFB and the mechanics of aos it’d be peak

[arctic talon]

it looks almost like chaos warrior armor

[crisp heath]

I think I just described the old world

[arctic talon]

No

Old World plays like WHFB still

its just less shit

AoS imo is a good setting

its just different

[queen laurel]

Yeah and people keep blaming it for old world disappearing

The game was literally failing and people said that it's gonna kick the bucket soon

[arctic talon]

tbf WHFB was going to die

[queen laurel]

yeah

[arctic talon]

especially when GW was looking to like

[queen laurel]

and then people are surprised they ended the setting

[arctic talon]

downsize

[crisp heath]

look I’m just happy I can use my box of Warlord Games Pike and Shotte minis as an Empire army

[arctic talon]

you can do that in AoS too tbf

well

you need round bases ig

[crisp heath]

cities of sigma

[arctic talon]

so uh

[crisp heath]

yeah I’ve put them on square bases

[queen laurel]

the cities of sigmar male

[arctic talon]

Cities of Sigmar being told that an entire crusade has been horrifically torn apart and murdered and then immedietly deciding to send another crusade

[crisp heath]

yeah but can they summon the elector counts

[arctic talon]

Yes(some)

[crisp heath]

this is important info

[arctic talon]

Hammerhal has a system like the elector counts

[crisp heath]

but are they the elector counts

[arctic talon]

they get called Elector Counts in AoS 2.0

idk about 3.0

I've never seen the Cities of sigmar 3.0 book

[queen laurel]

yeah old warhammer factions are still a thing back in the day like the Greenskinz

Replace the S in the end with Z

[crisp heath]

WFRP 2e is still great

[arctic talon]

Oruuk is still a shit name

WHFRP 2e is still great

[queen laurel]

so is Ogor

But there's no point in complaining about that

[arctic talon]

Ogor is less shit tbh

[crisp heath]

Trying to put together a campaign set in Bretonnia for some of my friends

[queen laurel]

Duardin

Aelf

[arctic talon]

Aelf is fine

its used in stuff outside of AoS

Duradin is Meh

Idk why they didn't just use Dawi

[queen laurel]

Yeah like why

it was genuinely fine

[arctic talon]

Duradin is inoffensive as a name and it doesn't violate my fucking eyes

like Orruk

[queen laurel]

orruk
morruk
gorruk

[arctic talon]

Its still Gork and mork

tbf

[crisp heath]

It involves folk dancing, cults, and really hot shoes

[arctic talon]

thank god its not Gorruk

[queen laurel]

yeah like they could have also just called Urk

[arctic talon]

LOL

Urk

[queen laurel]

Yeah like dwarves

[arctic talon]

Oruk also would be fine tbh

[queen laurel]

Yeah they went through the pronunciation translated into spelling approach

i mean

Fyre Slayers

fire

Fyre

[plush mason]

GW really likes to replace i with y

[coarse pumice]

Ogors

[coarse pumice]

This is a myth. All of GW’s games were failing (even 40K) at the time, but they had made 8th ed Fantasy especially hard to get into in their own design

8th also changed army composition for too many people while requiring bloated units compared to previous

Ironically 8th apparently ended up as a reasonably balanced game for matched/tournament play

[queen laurel]

yeah heard that warhammer fantasy was notorious for balancing

Some of the stuff did not work well

[coarse pumice]

This was during 7th, when Daemons were released

The book was just so overpowered, that it made the previous High and Dark elf books in 7th (the previous champions) look like toddlers

[queen laurel]

The four chaos god factions

I cannot imagine

[coarse pumice]

They were powerful but also undercosted

[queen laurel]

So like they can have a super unit that is apparently pretty cheap for what it can do

like a bloodthirster or some shit

[coarse pumice]

I think people could run bloodletters like goblins

[queen laurel]

blood letters we're so cheap they can be used like meat shields?

god ******* damn

[coarse pumice]

Or at least cheap enough that you could spam them against units they outclassed

And they had really strong magic

[queen laurel]

I would wager they had like three types of magic

nurgle slannesh and tzeentch

[coarse pumice]

Yeah, I think because also horrors could become defacto wizards?

Which meant they could outmuscle the magic phase, where other armies are limited by their character allowance

[queen laurel]

So people could genuinely put in a decent amount of investment into an army of them and basically become unstoppable

[coarse pumice]

They started a lot of power creep in 7th, where High, Dark Elves and Vampire counts were each getting successively better but Daemons was like pushing it over a cliff

[coarse pumice]

Pretty much, apparently you could tailor a Dark Elf army to beat them

40K had problems too, though they didn’t have an egregious codex

I would say 40K had worse core rules but the codices were better balanced

around 8th FB and 6th-7th 40k, I saw a load of the GW scene shrink in both games

FB was affected more badly, but on the whole it was more of the canary in the mine

[green loom]

The Eisenhorn show from like 7 years ago was a rumour

But they've made a warcom article about their new deal with Amazon so we can be comfy in that it's real

[dusk patrol]

The Eisenhorn show was planned but COVID fucked stuff up and now things have been arranged with Amazon now.

Whether or not they do Eisenhorn idk but I wouldn’t be shocked if it is the first thing they do or a follow up if the first is a hit.

[shut shell]

Does the guard have JAGs or is that what commissars are

[green loom]

JAG?

[rocky gale]

Judge advocate general

Lawyers involved in Court martials basically

[shut shell]

Military officers who serve as advocates and judges

Also handle administrative law

[plush mason]

iirc they do have tribunals but idk if lawyers are something the imperium has

[green loom]

Prolly just commissars

[shut shell]

You’d think they would since authoritarian governments usually have pretty detailed laws

[plush mason]

seeing as civilian court cases literally last generations i doubt they have representatives

[rocky gale]

I know there's a short story where a Fighter Pilot is put on trail for disobeying orders, but I've not read it yet so I don't know the details of the trial

[plush mason]

its likely all self representation

[rocky gale]

It's called "The Trial of Lucille Von Shard"

[plush mason]

which just makes the whole law system of the imperium that much more unfair and grimdark

[shut shell]

Then how are the laws supposed to be applied? I doubt the average officer knows how to conduct a case as advocate or decision maker

[plush mason]

they dont have advocates

the accused has to represent themselves

[green loom]

Via bolt pistol

[rocky gale]

Commissars a lot of the time are expected to act as judge, jury and executioner.

[plush mason]

yeah

[shut shell]

We’ll just judge and executioner since military justice wouldn’t use a jury

[rocky gale]

and because they are typically witness to the crime being committed, the execution is often summary

[plush mason]

the average grunt will ether get put into a penal regiment or executed on the spot

[azure knoll]

very detailed. too detailed

[shut shell]

How so? Sometimes too much detail is a good thing like if an offence has a very detailed set of requirements to make out a contravention then it’s harder for someone to be found liable/guilty

[azure knoll]

imagine a 50k page book written across 10 000 years that contains laws that are all still in effect

now memorize it

[shut shell]

Reminds me of tax law haha

[azure knoll]

yes

except it's tax law of 10k years of bureaucracy and religious zealotry and authoritarianism piled on top

[shut shell]

But do you mean detailed as in they have a lot of different provisions or that the provisions themselves are bloated and difficult to apply

If that’s something the writers would even go into lol

I’m sure they have enough technology that they don’t have to memorise it. Lawyers today aren’t expected to know everything off by heart because of you just know what to look for then you can find anything

[azure knoll]

in the 32nd millenium, this situation was resolved in this specific way. it is written on page 5358. You're now in a simiar situation. how do you know you're supposed to apply the same ruling that happened 9k years ago if you dont know it's written there in the book?

technology is a funny thing in warhammer

[shut shell]

They don’t have database searches?

Like that’s actually similar to how it is in real life, you won’t know which page of which report the precedent is found in but you would just do a database search to find it

[azure knoll]

not hand held at least

computers are largely done through servitors and those aren't really compact

[shut shell]

Oh ok

[azure knoll]

some adeptus arbite nerd could jump in and correct my mistakes

[thorn zenith]

the brand of the imperium also seems to be that things are always buried under mountains of other things and promptly forgotten, would probably take a cogitator complex the size of a hive to store the major imperium laws alone, not counting local stuff

[azure knoll]

remember, a million worlds

[green loom]

Oh they increased colony space in RT

Neat

[versed ledge]

So what was the lore explanation for catachans just being so meaty and huge? Even for the women among them?

[rocky gale]

It's basically the Hard times create strong men meme

and because you live on Catachan it's always hard times

[storm jungle]

^

Evolutionarily it doesnt make any sense but their lore is form the 90's so like lol

[rocky gale]

Yea, it's the original GW nerds not understanding how science works and just doing things they think looks cool.

Like the Ogryns are giants because they lived on worlds with massive amounts of gravity and grew big and strong to compensate, even though Scientifically higher gravity would create smaller people.

[crystal forum]

AI and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race

[rocky gale]

Is that Timmy Chalomy?

[crystal forum]

why does youtube keep recommending me this stuff

[green loom]

Idk when I watch something the 3rd recommended video is always some AI generated song

Found the hotshot laspistol btw

[vapid stone]

tesla was right

[storm jungle]

hey its paul atreides

[vapid stone]

this mechanical horrors are in deed beyond my comprehension

[rocky gale]

Sisters detachments are out

Congrats girls, we've got possibly the worst detachment rule in 10th edition.

Main problem with Acts of Faith in 10th edition, not enough miracle dice to use Acts of Faith. So yes obviously the fix is to make a detachment which lets you use Acts of Faith twice.

They described this as the Seraphim themed detachment, but it's rule is nothing to do with Seraphim

[lunar harness]

can you send me a link

I was expecting them to be all bad but im holding out hope for the holy trinity detachment

also I didnt read my rules and didnt realize you could only do one per phase and actually cheated in my last game

I used 2 6s I had for my castigator to invuln save some massive Necron shooting

[rocky gale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/06/06/are-you-a-burn-everything-kind-of-battle-sister-or-a-penitent-zealot-find-out-in-codex-adepta-sororitas/

The trinity one is probably the best

[celest dome]

Why isn't it sending the images

[rocky gale]

Assault on every ranged weapon and +1 Strength within 12 inches

[queen laurel]

are they as atrocious as custodes

[lunar harness]

are they webp?

make sure they jpgs :>

LETS GOOOOOOOOOOO

[rocky gale]

Yee

[lunar harness]

BOLTERSSSSS

FLAMERS

RAPID FIRE

[rocky gale]

Prepare for Assault Paragon Warsuits

[lunar harness]

I actually love this

a not bad detachment rule

im so happy xD

Give rapid fire bolters sustained hits, they are actually trying to make bolters good haha

thats actually a great enhancement for the canoness who allows reroll hit rolls

a BSS squad with canoness actually has pretty decent shooting

[rocky gale]

Penitent detachment also seems alright but I don't think as good

[lunar harness]

Its gonna be sad to give up the Blade of St Eleyanor tho

[rocky gale]

But yea, I'm not a fan of the Army of Faith rule at all

[lunar harness]

I actually think this might be the best detachment at first glance

Unless they remove FNP from the arco flagellents

[rocky gale]

But it's geared for Penitent models, so it's very list dependent

[lunar harness]

yea but the highest placing sisters list are all running

3x max size arco

because they are just that good

even at 160 points

[rocky gale]

Sure, but I don't wanna do that

[lunar harness]

me neither, I hate htem

give them to admech

they can use them way better anyway xD

[rocky gale]

Like the only penitent models I have are the ones you get from the old Combat Patrol

[lunar harness]

the fight on death mechanic is actually REALLY good for penitent engines

they are really cheap for how hard they hit, so having a way of mitigating their squishiness is big

I hate the penitent side aesthetically though so

yea I only have 6 arcos and 2 engines from 2 combat patrols xD

But a full melee army of 3x arcos, 3x repentia, 2x3 penitent engines sounds pretty funny

and the BSS will still be really good in that army because they are fantastic battle line units for sitting on objectives

if they dont rework arco flaggelents this will be the strongest sisters list for sure

[rocky gale]

I'm still not a big fan of it

3 vows, one per round and you can only use each vow once. With 5 rounds in game it means you've only got your army rule in the first 3 rounds

[lunar harness]

70 sustained hits, twin linked, 5+ crits, str 6 on the charge

from one unit

that has a FNP 5+

its like WAAGH for orks

the turn you pop this you can get 210 attacks from 480 points of arcos

any thing that isnt toughness 13 is dead

Either way its better than I was expecting so...

[rocky gale]

Penitent is good, just not a fan of it for the style of army I have/want, Army of Faith looks like a bit of a stinker, but Bringers of Flame seems pretty perfect

[lunar harness]

I honestly kind of have hope for Army of Faith, but it will be hard to play

[rocky gale]

I just don't like the detachment rule

[lunar harness]

they have an enhancement and a stratagem that generate an extra faith dice, but tbh BSS already generate a TON of miracle dice if they are the core of the army

there are a lot of tricks to get more/reroll the dice for better value

if you are running a really wide list with a focus on battle sisters and characters you should be able to get good value from the army rule

bring two castigators to spend your miracle dice on

[rocky gale]

I still don't like it

I'm really not a fan of the design philosophy where instead of it giving you anything new or fun to reshape how you'd play, it's just "Do the thing one extra time."

[lunar harness]

I just realized this is lore chat not

armies chat

[outer wave]

This is calmer general chat at this point tbh

That and theorycrafting

[lunar harness]

https://tenor.com/view/cats-cat-cat-meme-gif-12840712051420478510

[rocky gale]

I always talk about rules here

[rose thorn]

Had any of the new codexes have new lore?

[rocky gale]

I think so

Pretty sure

Although I've heard that they're apparently rehashing the same Sororitas organisation chart from the 9th edition Codex for the 10th

[arctic talon]

They have some lore, but not as much as 9th or 8th

[storm jungle]

^

Its very much here and there

[versed ledge]

Is this for the new trench crusade game?

[arctic talon]

no

[versed ledge]

Oh

[arctic talon]

its 40k rules

[versed ledge]

Neat

[arctic talon]

trench crusades rule formatting is dif

like very dif

[river walrus]

So, what are the reasons that Bhrams allows us on her ship?

[arctic talon]

Grendyl told her to, so she kind of has to just have Grendyl's forces on board

[river walrus]

Shes a rogue trader, she doesnt have to listen

[arctic talon]

Grendyl has dirt/some sort of working relationship with her

so she has to listen

[river walrus]

Huh

[celest dome]

Rogue Trader aren't immune to law, they just have a paper that give them a lot of leeway, if for example Grendyl has proofs that the scripts is a fake or that she has previously broken a rule he could use that to blackmail her

[green loom]

The warrant doesn't mean much if she's excommunicated basically lel

Most of the time it isn't worth pushing since they're typically pretty useful/influential

But if you're declared a traitor, you're a traitor regardless of how big your coffers are

[rose thorn]

damn, i hope GSC get more l0re

lreo

lore

[storm jungle]

expect 80% recycles with like 20% new lore

[tough haven]

the inquisition can make anyone do anything lol

[dusk patrol]

It’s the number 1 thing I want GW to improve on with new codexes and I hope they have plans to adjust the lore we’re getting

[arctic talon]

real

god please just give us 8e level lore again

I don't even care if they reuse stuff

I loved the big chunky lore sections

[green loom]

Neat

[normal grove]

Do Astartes ever accept lands and titles for their deeds like old knights, or are they too high and mighty and monastic for such things as Dukedom or such?

[arctic talon]

Individuals can get titles and rewards. Entire planets can be gifted to a chapter as a recruiting world

But they won’t have individual like

[normal grove]

So Astartes Knight Nukeem can be Duke Nukeem and be awarded his own planet with a Sororitas convent?

[arctic talon]

Lands and such

[arctic talon]

No

The titles aren’t like

That sort of title

It’s more so in celebration of their deeds rather then some noble title

And regarding planets it goes to the entire chapter

[normal grove]

damn

[arctic talon]

As a recruitment world

Or a new homeworld

[rocky gale]

Pretty sure Ultramarines have certain Marines who basically act as like Planetary governors in Ultramar

[thorn zenith]

Yeah, isnt Cato Sicarius a suzerain or something

[rocky gale]

He's High Suzerain of Ultramar, but that's just an honorific

[arctic talon]

This is after guilliman came back but yeah

[young pecan]

Can space marines survive headshots when not wearing a helmet?

Certain weapons obviously would still 1 shot but surely they can survive some?

[arctic talon]

They can survive some weapons headshotting yeah

[young pecan]

I saw an excerpt when I was looking up the answer to this and a marine died to a wooden spear to the throat by some normal guy 💀

[arctic talon]

Writer determines what kills a marine fr fr

[young pecan]

Yeah, like so many other things in 40k I find

[arctic talon]

But it like pierced something important iirc lol

Which is why he bled out

Also it was a chaosy stick

From a chaosy guy

[young pecan]

Ohh that makes more sense

[arctic talon]

But yeah it was both unlucky as hell

[paper haven]

Depends on the writer. Also a normal person has a higher chance of surviving a head injury than a spear to the throat

[young pecan]

I read that and was like "...that's kinda pathetic, Cawl."

[arctic talon]

He got those parts pierced

[arctic talon]

It’s 30k

When that happens

Cawl was still in a vat prolly lol

Or was a sperm and egg lol

[young pecan]

Ohh so that was unrefined marines before Cawl as well, makes even more sense

[arctic talon]

Well

Wouldn’t say unrefined

But the furnace def would have saved the marine lol

Ironically

But yeah the guy got supreme unlucky

[young pecan]

I don't know a whole lot about what Cawl made better with marines, I still gotta finish the first book 😔

[dusk patrol]

It’s just a random freak accident

It’s not complicated

Even in the book they say that

[viral halo]

Cawl was alive during the heresy crazily enough

[arctic talon]

He was alive during the heresy

But that scene was early great crusade

Iirc

Cawl wouldn’t have been born yet

[viral halo]

No idea, they always just said he was born in the "early 31st millenium" and was an adult by the time of the heresy. You're prob right tbh.

Dude came out the vat womb being able to speak

[green loom]

Maybe not the main mind

[arctic talon]

well obv

[green loom]

[arctic talon]

I'm referring to the person called Belisarius Cawl

not the many minds that now make him up lol

[green loom]

Man I love the chaos Admech designs in rogue trader

Also I'm convinced area attacks might be bugged

Either that or I'm extremely unlucky

[young pecan]

They can definitely act a little weird and unexplainably not work sometimes

It's okay, lidless stare still best ability in the game

[green loom]

Yeah lol

And the similar ability you get for sacrificing Yrilet that scales with veil degradation

[young pecan]

I don't fw veil degradation

One time veil was at 0 and Idira killed herself and spawned a blue screamer of Tzeentch using one of her minor abilities

In our backline xd

Round 1 as well, even better

[green loom]

Lel

TBF i just shoot Idira

[sacred ginkgo]

What

[arctic talon]

heretic route gaming

[green loom]

Yes

It was pretty bonkers when I used it

[crisp heath]

I did iconoclast. I tried starting up a heretic route and I just couldn’t make myself do it. It’s too evil for me

[thorn zenith]

Yea personally iconoclast (with a bit of dogmatic) is THE canon route for me

[arctic talon]

Icono + dogmatic or dogmatic + icono is good

full dogmatic is evil, Full heretic is evil, full icono is stupid

[thorn zenith]

Yea i dont like how full icono has to have some truly stupid choices, but alas thats how it is with everything

I still wanna run full icono and see the ending slides tho

[queen laurel]

i go fulll icono too purely spite the imperium

||and hey you turn the entire expanse into your own empire||

[thorn zenith]

I think i was icono 4 and had my own empire, but only Idira, Pasqal, and the ship part vendor got good ending

And SistarArgenta and Abelard too, forgot to mention

[arctic talon]

character ending is based on how you do their story

iirc

• some other stuff

[thorn zenith]

Yeah thats why i mention them, i was going for Heinrix by chance but let him go at the end

[queen laurel]

yeah if you help them do the right thing they live fairly well

like yriellet realizing her empire and people can just as savage as humans

if not more so

so she became a pirate

[thorn zenith]

My run Yrliet got Pasqal'd later

[arctic talon]

tbh her craftworlds remaining farseer is like

an actual fucking dumbass

[thorn zenith]

Heinrix got Argenta'd, Cassia got assasinated, Jae got destroyed by another rogue trader, Marazhai got sold to the inquisition

[thorn zenith]

I still dragged his ass along regardless, and became neutral with Janus exodites

[arctic talon]

yeah

[thorn zenith]

I didnt manage to free Ulfar because i didnt know how

[queen laurel]

But I've been going on the pure morality scale I would say iconoclast is the most safe

Like if you're going pure this iconoclast is the least painful because you actually go out of your way to help

[thorn zenith]

I think you can also remain ally with Marazhai that way and stop his drukhari from attacking your people

But blood debt needed to be paid and i was petty enough to sick Heinrix on him as soon as i got back

[arctic talon]

You can

tbh killing him is the smart choice lol

he is still like

you know

[queen laurel]

what do you mean you know

Are you assuming just because he's a dark elder known for their cruelty he's a bad guy

[thorn zenith]

Oh yea hes still a dark eldar and your mercy to him means sacrificing your crew menials

[queen laurel]

i'm just ******* with you i always kill him when i have the choice

[thorn zenith]

And my crew absolutely love me

Theres no way im doing my boys and girls like that

[arctic talon]

He asked me if he could skin my menials alive smh

[queen laurel]

yeah wait isn't one of the things we find around are multiple soul stones lying around

It can't be that hard to put a soul into a soul stone and give one to him

[arctic talon]

well

the soulstone would prolly be disgusted with him

and disintegrate lol

[thorn zenith]

I wanna go a "good ending for everyone" route, with the help of toybox

[queen laurel]

do it

If you beat the game the first time I don't see why not

[thorn zenith]

Solely because i wanna see what a full good ending looks like

I also think some good endings are locked behind romance, like Heinrix

And Jae

And possibly Yrliet

[queen laurel]

oh no Yrielet is basically one of the rare cases of a human being as close as possible to being a friend with an eldar

[vast crystal]

I feel like the "chaos scattering the primarcs" thing is bullshit

[queen laurel]

because the love between an eldar and a human

[thorn zenith]

Yeah, but im talking about "romance" as a route rather than actual romance

Eldar loving humans must be borderline bestiality for em

[vast crystal]

I have no idea how my companions haven't abandoned me yet because I'm on the path of becoming a literal chaos worshiper

[queen laurel]

oh no they will understand friend zone and actually still get a happy ending like baldurs gate

if a privateer that has access to multiple planets rejects you you accept the rejection

[vast crystal]

Ok actual question. What happens in the chaos ending of rouge trader

If their actually is one

Like do you just form a chaos enclave within the imperium or something?

[arctic talon]

You ascend to become a daemon prince

[queen laurel]

ohhh

that's funny

[vast crystal]

I guess it was wise of me to avoid romance in this play through

Because that would be borderline horrific to witness

[thorn zenith]

I think it would be funny with marazhai

Hehe haha and suddenly the monkeigh turns into a daemon prince

[vast crystal]

Is the god emperor (blessed be his name) truly dead/dying?

[arctic talon]

He’s not dead or dying

But he’s on life support

[vast crystal]

He's a regenerating soul then?

[arctic talon]

His soul isn't regenerating as far as we know

his soul is horribly fractured

his body is pretty much dead

but he is still alive

[vast crystal]

If he isn't dead. Them how would he feel about the imperium

[arctic talon]

unclear

we don't get his perspective

we have him talk with Guilliman for a bit

but its so jumbled, self contradictary and fragmented its hard to like

get anything meaningful from it

[vast crystal]

So it is unclear if there is hope for mankind

[arctic talon]

Well

We know how 40k is going to end

Humanity is going to fucking die

Or rather the imperium is

[queen laurel]

Yeah even with the two sons of the emperor alive there is no way they can stitch the imperium together into a coherent empire

[vast crystal]

Every faction* losses then

[arctic talon]

beyond that there are visions of the future

[vast crystal]

*faction, not race

[arctic talon]

well Chaos/nids/Orks/Necrons will prolly win

There's a lot of visions of the future but the consistent thing is Terra is going to fall at somepoint

[vast crystal]

It's only the orks who won't get a pyrrythic victory out of this

[queen laurel]

They already won

[vast crystal]

They already one

[arctic talon]

The chaos gods will get a W

tbh

[queen laurel]

orks are in a galaxy already full of battle what more can they ask for

[arctic talon]

also yeah Orks have won from a

well

what they want standpoint

[vast crystal]

They will fissle from existence the moment this war ends

[arctic talon]

No they won't

Chaos has plenty of mortal servants

[queen laurel]

Yeah you can maintain them by doing things like tributes and stuff like for example

Battle arenas in every single planet for khorne

[arctic talon]

Chaos can sustain itself so long as there's mortals

though it will be diminished if it kills a ton

[vast crystal]

What would the galaxy look like after a chaos victory anyway

[queen laurel]

The 4 chaos god's proceed to kill each other

[arctic talon]

Like Imperium nihlus's chaos empires

but with more infighting

[vast crystal]

Nihlus chaos empires

[arctic talon]

oh yeah thats a thing now

lol

Imperium nihlus is like genuinely fucked at this rate

[vast crystal]

So my wish of chaos states came true?

[queen laurel]

That's the very bad side moro refers to yeah

[arctic talon]

Yes!

Notable Chaos Empires are Lorgar's, Perturabo's and The Red Corsairs

[vast crystal]

😊

[arctic talon]

Perturabo's did however get invaded by the Death Guard with morty

and uh Perty unfortunately lost

[queen laurel]

Wait why is abbadon not a undivided daemon prince

Same with archeon and fantasy seems a bit weird

[arctic talon]

reasoning for Abbadon is because its better for him to be a mortal

daemon princes can't stay in real space forever

they need an active warp breach every once in a while

Less then normal daemons but still need it

Abby can stay in real space as long as he likes

[queen laurel]

Then make him a chaos swap amulet warp or some s***

[arctic talon]

I got no clue for Archeon

I'd assume its the same

Also don't want another belakor

Abbadon and Archeon are both ambitious

[queen laurel]

Yeah but with archeon don't daemon princess have the ability to just kind of stay in the warhammer world

In fantasy i mean

[arctic talon]

well

its more power

[queen laurel]

It's a bit weird yeah like