40k-lore-chat

[rose thorn]

for real tho

[young pecan]

Abelard, introduce me and then beat this man*

[lunar harness]

is the datasheet going to be in the codex?

are they replacing the preacher?

neat

[tough haven]

Abelard, cut off his balls

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/anton-chigurh-no-country-for-old-men-ok-oops-javier-bardem-gif-10579690

[tough haven]

https://youtube.com/shorts/snTenAfPQH4?si=jO16psn6UhuAMKSS

[rocky gale]

It's labelled as a "Ministorum Priest with Vindictor"

So possibly a replacement for both Preacher and Missionary

Or it's something new alongside those 2

[autumn cypress]

if this hasnt been asked a million times, fatshark has been hinting at genestealer cults in a different hive city, and now sire melk doing shady shit right

[young pecan]

They dropped a lot of new hints in random vox chatter

Seems like prep work for the story to me

[autumn cypress]

im definitely curious to see what the overarching plot will be

aside from atoma going to utter shit lmao

[young pecan]

Rations getting cut and Brahms herself chattering over the vox to redouble ourselves is definitely telling us things are going worse

[autumn cypress]

oh absolutely

[tough haven]

the tide will get darker

[young pecan]

😱😱

[autumn cypress]

no freaking way

[arctic talon]

She's replacing the preacher

[young pecan]

Is there any lore reason as to how commissars and rogue traders and such who are constantly in peril live long enough to accomplish feats even against forces that realistically are unwinnable?

Or is it just "I am the writer's baby"

[arctic talon]

Most commissars and rogue traders are not in situations like that

[young pecan]

That makes more sense

[arctic talon]

we never get

the most boring of battles

where the 289th blah blah regiment killed all the orks

and nothing went wrong

[young pecan]

Because like one stray bullet or smack from an ork or stab from a tyranid or the myriad other things that can instantly game end you seem very unreactable

[arctic talon]

regarding Rogue Traders

most of them have personal shields

Comissars yeah lmao

some Comissars do get refractor fields but like

lol, lmao

its not interesting for the plot if they get that

[young pecan]

Fair nuff

So there are at least tools that more regarded fighters can get

Yeah that makes more sense for sure

Seemed like a major plot hole for some people to have three jackpots' worth of luck

[arctic talon]

Characters like Yarrick have em

and some other named cahracters

[plush mason]

i love the idea of a crimelord being raised on a fortress world, taking it over and turning the system into a den of pirates

[queen laurel]

Mine is hilarous a priest raise on a deathworld that fell in love with a mutant

[plush mason]

nice

[queen laurel]

And is actually kind

Like you expect this ******* to be the most rough and tough guy you will meet

But he just decided to help the populace because he was bored some shit

[river cairn]

https://youtu.be/Atfa-IHJvXo

chat is this real

[thorn zenith]

Man i wish id explore more with the origins of rogue trader

The only variation i saw was how the navy mc was renowned, Cassia has read of you and the young officer presented after the first dewarping did not doubt you because he also heard of you

[dusk patrol]

Yeah unfortunately it doesn’t add much

[plush mason]

origin is mainly more for the mechanics and not the story which is sad

[plush mason]

you get that with any "illustrious glory" triumph

triumph and darkest hour are the main narrative choices in character creation

[thorn zenith]

Do you? So it all came down to the 6 variations

[plush mason]

yeah

the origin changes the dialog

also iirc the whole Cassia reaction is only for the commissar/guard commander and navy officer

different comps/npc will have different reactions to your triumph/darkest hour and origin picks

[thorn zenith]

Yea i went noble in my first run and nothing stood out as being "unique" to it

Is there a list of such variations anywhere?

[plush mason]

idk

found one instance of the origin effecting dialog

[river walrus]

Okay. Ulgo get game sems fun

[tough haven]

Very worth

mods on workshop are neat

like tech priest origin

[river walrus]

Consol

[tough haven]

which really should be in the game

[tough haven]

Sad

[river walrus]

Yes

[rocky gale]

Ohhhhhhhhhh

[shadow plover]

Very cool model

[rocky gale]

Why was this not announced alongside the Codex release

[shadow plover]

Probably my favourite sisters model in a long while

[queen laurel]

is that a fire sword

That looks way too sick

[rocky gale]

It's a flaming sword, with the flames in the shape of a fleur-de-lis

[queen laurel]

it looks like she is using a flaming flower as a weapon it's ******* amazing

[celest dome]

Sister really do be 40k Bretonnia

[rose thorn]

GENuine the best sister release this year lmao

[rocky gale]

Shame it's a Black Library tie in model and will probably be limited release like Minka Lesk and Ufthak Blackhawk

I guess only Space Marines are allowed to have long term character models

[tough haven]

yup

[tough haven]

and ufthak was out for like a week and its already legends

[rocky gale]

Yea the rules were released as Legends

While Minka didn't even get rules

They expected you to spend £20+ on this model and then use it as a default guardsmen or Sgt in a regular Cadian squad or as an officer in a Command Squad

[tough haven]

so fucking dumb

[rocky gale]

At this point I don't even really understand Legends, like they say it's basically to let you use the rules that won't be updated and will be removed in future editions, but then they end up axing Datasheets that weren't even in Legends.

Like it's been confirmed that the Sisters are losing both Crusaders and Death Cult Assassins in their new Codex, but neither of those datasheets were in Legends

and like I thought we're losing the datasheets for Preacher and Missionary and instead just getting a single datasheet for "Ministorum Priest"

So with our new codex we're actually at a net loss on datasheets

[queen laurel]

Okay what the f*** is the legend system anyway

It seems just like a scummy way to attach people to a margo by making it limited edition of something

[rocky gale]

Legends is their "We won't update or fix these rules and they'll be removed at some point" section

It was supposed to be a way for them to phase out older models without instantly yoinking the rules away from people

But like now they're releasing new rules specifically to Legends

and it's so stupid

[queen laurel]

So they're barely been using it for their intended purpose

[rocky gale]

Yea now they're just using it to be lazy

[queen laurel]

Man

[tough haven]

It’s just arbitrary to still have a reason for people to buy those models before making them unusable so you have to buy more models

Unless your space marines

Then you just keep everything

[river walrus]

If you make ogryn not canon anymore workshop of games. Ulgo an loadsa pals crash ek-on-om-E

[river walrus]

Ogryn in rogue trader?

[tough haven]

Sadly no ogryns, much sadder galaxy for it

not yet

maybe the owl-cat will find some

[river walrus]

Yes... yes hopefully

[winter vessel]

Rogryn Trader

[arctic talon]

Legends is preferable to GW’s old system of just removing crap from the game imo

Straight to legend rules are lame

But I’d rather legends then GW’s old system lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah but they are basically just lazy now just dumping in the Super special model apparently in there just leaving it to be a legend rule

it's preferable than nothing yes but like

[arctic talon]

It’s a celebration mini

[queen laurel]

definitely could handle it better

[arctic talon]

So

I don’t expect it to get rules

Considering the same happened with the marine and uthak

[rocky gale]

Yea that's been the case since the start of 9th

[arctic talon]

The only celebration mini to ever get proper rules was the comissar

And she lost them

Like it’s annoying and lame

But idk

[rocky gale]

Yea Severina Raine, had rules in 8th and Legends rules in 9th

Because she's so based

[arctic talon]

I’d assume that crusaders and death cult assassins will show up in legends

Once the codex comes out

Not sure about the old priest sheets though

They should based on what GW did with tau at least

I do think that it’s so weird GW won’t give non legends rules to the celebration minis

[rocky gale]

"Leading from the front: Friendly Astra Militarum units within 6" of this model automatically pass Morale
tests whilst this model is within 1" of an enemy model."

Just stick her in a squad with 40 conscripts

[arctic talon]

Run it with white shields

Don’t need to take the morale test

For orders lmao

[outer wave]

https://www.reddit.com/r/totalwar/s/7ZsRgNyunQ Looks like reddit is doomposting on Total Warhammer again

Apparently Legend got a leak for future DLC and it's apparently chalk full of Cathayan units and no big centerpieces

[rose thorn]

they doom post over everything i think we will be fine

[outer wave]

Fair

[rose thorn]

also i didnt even know cathay had any players lol

they are literally the least unique faction in the game

wait

bretonnians

[arctic talon]

Cathay are pretty fun

Yin Yang micro is annoying though

[rose thorn]

I heard

[arctic talon]

But Cathay ironically play similarly to dwarves

[green loom]

I wouldn't mind more Slaanesh content

[celest dome]

chalk full ?

[green loom]

I'm assuming they'll keep to the trend of 3 way DLCs with a monogod chaos lord

[green loom]

"really full"

[celest dome]

But is it chalk, like the mineral ?

One thing i find strange is the "4 dlc left"
Like I don't expect CA to let go of their cash cow

[radiant lance]

Comes with a lot of chalkboards to draw various graphs of how doomed total war is

You can make a doom vs doomed graph

To compare how much doom there is currently to how much expected total for various amounts of expected doom

Hint:
It's a lot

[viral halo]

they're prob being moved to the alleged/rumored/leaked agents of the imperium codex

[viral halo]

r/totalwar community is completely insufferable and hypocritical

The people in the discord are even worse lol

[river walrus]

Meh,

Can agree

Wuz insulted yesterday in vox channels

[crystal forum]

i wish stellaris had a community area

i bet it would be as shitty as hoi4 community

but at least i dont have to be in 10 dead servers to find a single ongoing conversation

[viral halo]

hoi4 is pain

During the pandemic my friends and I would organize like 20-30/40 people hoi 4 games that would run non stop for days

Was unironically some of the most fun I ever had

[river walrus]

Sounds like dream

[rocky gale]

Dunno, I think if that was the case the Priest would be going to Agents as well

[arctic talon]

there's an offical paradox stellaris discord

[crystal forum]

since when

damn finally

there's a console version of stellaris???

holy shit that sounds like the worst experience ever

[viral halo]

You've got a good point tbh

[arctic talon]

Its fucking ass lol

it also still uses old UI elements

[viral halo]

I play stellaris exclusively for the orbital bombardments

[green loom]

Are you excited for the next totalwar40k hypetrain

[viral halo]

No I think warhammer fans have ruined total war and the total war series

By completely taking over the fanbase

[green loom]

[viral halo]

Don't get me wrong, total warhammer 1-3 is a dream game for me ever since I was a little kid

[green loom]

But now all they can do is Warhammer

[viral halo]

But I'll never get an actual historical total war again

[green loom]

Or warhammer with a semi-historical skin

[viral halo]

Three Kingdoms was fantastic though and it did have an optional historical mode

Troy and Pharoah both sucked ass and I don't wanna hear any revisionism about them considering they're dead games

[green loom]

I'd be down for a new medieval but they seem to be dead set on not making it

[celest dome]

Historical Total War was dying out already 🤷

[viral halo]

Three Kingdoms was the best selling total war ever at the time of its release

Attila and TOB were bombs though they died pquick

[celest dome]

What I want greatly in term of non-historical games still is LotR and a Grand Mythology one

[shut thorn]

So, for the ultramarines, originally a red helm was a mark of censure, but eventually became an honor or atleast form of positive recognition. I saw some blood angels with blue painted helms recently and was wondering if that was also a mark of censure/honor, or if it was similarly related to how a lot of chapters would paint the shoulder of their librarians blue

or purely for looks by the painter

[celest dome]

Devastator Squad

[outer wave]

Do explain

[viral halo]

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-ring-no-isildur-lord-of-the-rings-gif-5743603

Busy rn, we just swapped to a pride month logo in the warhammer discord and are currently dealing with the expected wave of hatred that comes with it

[outer wave]

Absolutely fair

Sounds like fun*

[river walrus]

Weakling are complaining? They not matter

[viral halo]

I'm in the mod chat like PLEASE GET MORE MODS ONLINE PLEASE

[river walrus]

Why they complaining?

What is issue with it?

It just a rainbow

[outer wave]

I hate to use the word but for the joke: chudtide

[viral halo]

Well Ulgo, Warhammer historically has one of the most racist and homophobic fanbases out there

[viral halo]

Lmfao

[river walrus]

Dum dums

[outer wave]

But yeah that sounds hectic

[celest dome]

Sexist too

[viral halo]

They do be hating women

[outer wave]

How sexist are they Siggy?

[river walrus]

Ulgo krump em

[viral halo]

https://tenor.com/view/green-mile-im-tired-boss-michael-clarke-duncan-gif-2375696290766999196

[crystal forum]

they only keep getting worse with the brainrot mancell community exploiting them

this is why i firmly believe that gatekeeping has many benefits

[green loom]

It was pretty funny

[green loom]

Well in this case it's hardly gatekeeping, in most servers it's literally enforcing basic rules because these assholes can't help but harass and name-call people lol

[young pecan]

"So much for the tolerant left 🤓" mfs are so funny

Part of tolerance is not tolerating intolerance

[celest dome]

Problem is that gatekeeping isn't really possible when they are already inside

[crystal forum]

im talking about all the manosphere dumbasses who talk about female custodes without even ever having played the game or knowing anything about it

i bet you that if it wasn't for these parasites the whole thing would have been forgotten in a day

i've always disliked anybody who actively makes money off of making communities more shitty

[celest dome]

Oh for sure, I think Warhammer would actually become fairly popular tbh if that was the case

[storm jungle]

Hey just a heads up dont openly post pirated stuff.

If it wasn't a public GW discord server I wouldn't mind it, but the rules

[crystal forum]

(just dm it to us instead)

[crisp heath]

when they stop making me take out a loan for 12 plastic minis and a book then and only then will I stop pirating codexes

[crystal forum]

mfw i pay for white dwarf and cant even see the rules for 30 year old tabletop game edition

[storm jungle]

Well yeah just dont do it "openly"

[green loom]

Just shhhhhh for the server 🙏

[storm jungle]

^

Like I said ı wouldnt mind it otherwise

[storm jungle]

The fact that they write some dumbass excuse at the start of every rulebook in WH+ vault too

"to protect the integrity-"

WHAT INTEGRITY

LET ME READ THE RULES

[crystal forum]

mf's acting like they're censoring some offensive thing they've done in the past

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/johnny-depp-captain-jack-sparrow-pirates-of-the-caribbean-at-worlds-end-potc-gif-16616523

[green loom]

My art block is ending

[storm jungle]

actual CIA censorship

[green loom]

Literally 1984

Dilara is literally Big Brother

[crystal forum]

"do not learn about old rules since you might learn to compare to current edition"

[crisp heath]

you might learn its supposed to be a wargame rather than something we're trying to turn into marvel

[arctic talon]

I don’t get the second part 💀

[green loom]

Herohammer ig?

[arctic talon]

But 10e is def too simple as a war game

For my taste lol

[crisp heath]

exactly

the 5e-ification of warhammer is really sad to see and they've completely ignored their community in doing so

[arctic talon]

Eh

9e was fine

10e strips back too much

[crisp heath]

except 40k 5th edition was great (see the guard codex)

[arctic talon]

Idk

5th had a lot of issues

But what edition doesn’t

I’ll take 10e over 6e though

[crisp heath]

it just had more soul

[arctic talon]

That’s just a fluff vs crunch thing on the table

9e was pretty good imo

[celest dome]

10e making me play horde again

[arctic talon]

For fluffiness and crunch

10e isn’t even crunchy lol

It’s not fluffy either

7e was way too much fucking fluff

Like yes it is very cool that the ynnari work that way

But also did you take 5 seconds to imagine what the consequences would be

Same applies to all the weird additional detachment rules they did in 7e

Like sky talon and stuff

Like super cool fluff wise but genuinely miserable to play against

[crystal forum]

people keep saying that it cuts out the useless fluff from the tabletop but like why tf would you want to play warhammer without fluff

[arctic talon]

That’s not even correct

It cuts a fuck ton of crunch

Lol

[crystal forum]

what's the point

[arctic talon]

It cuts both fluff and crunch

[arctic talon]

Idk

Make it easy to pick up

[crisp heath]

ok but why does the guard combat patrol not have a leman russ

[crystal forum]

but when it's too unfluffy it feels like i could get the same experience from a video game

[arctic talon]

But there’s not enough crunch imo

[arctic talon]

That’s just combat patrols

Being weird

It’s also just the cadia stands box

[crystal forum]

combat patrols literally only get worse over time

[arctic talon]

Not really

[crisp heath]

trve

[arctic talon]

A lot of them def worse

[crystal forum]

name me 1 good combat patrol that came out recently

[arctic talon]

Some of the new ones are good though

[crisp heath]

the tau one was good iirc

[arctic talon]

Custodes

Tau

Orks

[crystal forum]

the new custodes rules suck tho

[crisp heath]

before they got rid of the battlesuit that is

[arctic talon]

You’re talking about combat patrols

Not the rules

The contents are good still

[crystal forum]

anyways guard compat patrol sucks dont get it

actually dont buy guard at all

[arctic talon]

The custodes combat patrol is over 1k points

Lol

[arctic talon]

Well some people want Cadians

Smh

Jokes aside printing is good

[crisp heath]

unironically great combat patrol box

[arctic talon]

That’s the old one

[crystal forum]

print

[arctic talon]

The new 10e one is the beast snagga themed one

[crisp heath]

you're right, print them instead

[crystal forum]

there's no tangible reason to buy a guard army at GW prices

[arctic talon]

Which is actually way better points to dollar value and actual point value

Lmao

Which is insane to me tbh

[crystal forum]

and GW guard models suck

[arctic talon]

Only issue is it’s beast snagga’s

[crystal forum]

you can find so many proxy regiments

[arctic talon]

I disagree on that

[crisp heath]

if i make a guard army i want drop troopers

[arctic talon]

I think the new Cadians and dkok minis look good

[crisp heath]

or steel legion

[arctic talon]

I know someone with 3k points of Elysians still

Mmmm forgeworld resin

(Hell)

[crystal forum]

not enough variety for me

[crisp heath]

are there even rules for them anymore

[arctic talon]

Yeah I don’t disagree with that

Forgeworld killed them

Lol

[crystal forum]

forgeworld is kill

[crisp heath]

i think they'd make a good kill team if they were ever re released

[arctic talon]

There’s still rules for the tauros, drop sentinel and sniper teams

In legends

[crystal forum]

at least 30k keeps the fluff

but 30k is BORING

[arctic talon]

But the guy just runs them as guard

30k is it’s own hell game

[crystal forum]

the lore is so damn boring

[arctic talon]

If you don’t play marines or stodes it’s pretty bad

Because AP4 out the ass

Means you don’t get saves

Unless you go for hyper elite mechanicum

[crystal forum]

what other options do you even have

mechanicus and guard?

[arctic talon]

Auxilia, mechanicum, cults and miltia(don’t), and daemons

[crisp heath]

solar auxilia look cool

[crystal forum]

isnt there a mechanicus leader that can insta kill a primarch

[arctic talon]

Scoria got nerfed into oblivion

He can no longer kill over 1.8k points worth of minis

But Scoria is still a primarch killer

He only loses to fulgrim, Horus ascended, Lion and angron

You just waste time now because primarch fights are a meme

As are primarchs in the tabletop

Mechanicum in general got nerfed into oblivion by HH2.0

Since they were way too good at killing marines

[green loom]

At least they got some neat new models

[celest dome]

Can't have the dedicated SM system have a faction good at killing them

[arctic talon]

Almost all of mechanicums easy to access ap3 got removed

[crystal forum]

i genuinely dont understand how some people only enjoy SM

it's like playing dungeons and dragons but only with humans

[arctic talon]

Lore wise? People usually don’t exclusively enjoy marines

[crystal forum]

like........ why

[arctic talon]

Hobby side I can get it

[crystal forum]

that's what HH feels like to me

[arctic talon]

Marines are very fun to paint

[celest dome]

They did a count of favourite rpg class and race in DnD, Human Fighter was head above all

[arctic talon]

Okay to be fair fighter isn’t that bad

And I say this as someone who doesn’t play martial classes at all

But fighters are pretty fun

You get to just hit stuff and hit it well

also the DM is more likely to give magic items to martial classes as well

[celest dome]

I've only had 2 human character in settings that have other races

[dusk patrol]

And?

[celest dome]

Otherwise I'm more set on having Goblins and Dwarfs

[arctic talon]

Also ngl WOTC made variant human absurdly strong lol

[dusk patrol]

I don’t get what’s complicated, people like to play simpler factions, or they think some things are cool

[arctic talon]

So if you’re gona optimize

Variant human is very good

[dusk patrol]

It’s not like marines are a baseline faction anyways really

[celest dome]

Never optimise, wing it

[dusk patrol]

Especially once you get into the wilder chapters

[arctic talon]

Okay but sometimes I want to make a stupidly optimized build

With DM approval

HH is cool to me but 40k is cooler

Is just my general opinion

[crystal forum]

im one of the few who got into this setting for something other than marines

[celest dome]

HH has a lot of potential, but at the same time I don't understand why it's really needed

[arctic talon]

Wouldn’t say you’re one of the few at all

Just saying

[crystal forum]

i would say so

[arctic talon]

But people enjoy different parts of the hobby

[celest dome]

More so here

[crystal forum]

since 80% of this community has been in it for longer than i've been eating solid food

[arctic talon]

Anyways the one thing I’ll ban from my tables as a DM is peace cleric

Because peace cleric is uh

Fucking stupid

[celest dome]

Like pacifist ? Or something specific to DnD ?

[arctic talon]

It’s a dnd 5e subclass

[crisp heath]

i want to get an Only War game going with some people here on the server

[arctic talon]

That is unfathomably broken

[celest dome]

I moved to pathfinder, Only War, Dark Heresy, and World of Darkness a long time ago

[arctic talon]

I play 5e still sometimes

but pathfinder and delta green

Are the main systems I play

[crisp heath]

is only war fun? I've been meaning to play it

[celest dome]

Delta Green is fun

[arctic talon]

It’s fun, it’s like dark heresy

In some ways

[celest dome]

Quite so, I preferred Dark Heresy but Only War we did mostly one shot for War purpose

[arctic talon]

Imperium maladictum is

A system

It’s pretty good long as you’re fine with the absurdly lethal combat

[dusk patrol]

There are tons of people who like multiple factions or don’t like marines

[arctic talon]

I’m not sure how to feel about malidictum still

It’s such a

Lethal system?

For combat

[celest dome]

I feel like Maledictum is fine for combat light game

If you're wanting to do whole sessions about combat, then I'd avoid that

[arctic talon]

Yeah

it feels very much like a roleplay first system

[dusk patrol]

Also related

[arctic talon]

Since once bullets start flying people drop fast

Okay but battlemaster should be the standard for fighter

Like manuvers should be default

and then like

battlemaster does like even more

[dusk patrol]

Real

[arctic talon]

also this is literally me with Clerics that are Elf/Dwarfs lol

I think I have made more clerics then any other class combined

[dusk patrol]

Me, forcing my DM to give me a bunch of magical swords and armor and shit by the endgame cause my other party mates have ascended to godhood by now

[arctic talon]

Okay well getting magic items should be like

a thing for martials

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

if a DM doesn't do that they're kind of silly

esp if your party has multiple casters

[celest dome]

Having played Call of Chtulhu with a DM that did not like rp heavy systems and prefered doing combats
it was hell

[arctic talon]

WHY

[dusk patrol]

I had one game where by the end I had effectively a setup which forced enemies to fight me in melee I was so resistant to magic and a lot of ranged.

[arctic talon]

[dusk patrol]

It was cool

[arctic talon]

combat heavy call of cthulu is horrifying

to think about

[dusk patrol]

Lots of “hold the bridge” moments

[celest dome]

Oh it is

[arctic talon]

being the only martial in a party is fun

[crystal forum]

the statistics dont lie

[arctic talon]

half martials are also interesting

but they're weird

[dusk patrol]

If 50% of all 40k players only play marines ever and have no other factions

[celest dome]

We also just ended (and will probably be our last rpg) a combat heavy World of Darkness\Hunter story
Was real fun

[dusk patrol]

That’s still a lot of people who don’t

I never said “marines aren’t the majority”

I said there’s a lot of people who don’t play them or like other factions

[celest dome]

Quite a percentage of people who have multiple armies have 2 SM ones 💀

[arctic talon]

tbf

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

its pretty easy to end up with 2 marine armies

especially if they're an older player

[dusk patrol]

Don’t need to make it your identity that you like or dislike another faction

No one cares

[arctic talon]

yeah

[dusk patrol]

Just enjoy what you like

[viral halo]

https://tenor.com/view/numbers-dont-lie-disaster-spell-gif-25561954

[viral halo]

all time great post

[green loom]

Sending you the Kill Team Hungary copy pasta

[river walrus]

Yes

[snow fern]

Objectively correct, the best kind of correct.

[rocky gale]

and Purple Dragon Knight needs a revised version to make it not suck

[arctic talon]

Hire me WOTC(don’t)

I think I’d rather die then work for WOTC

[viral halo]

that was absolutely ridic lol

I mean what was that guy thinking

[snow fern]

Martials deserve better

[arctic talon]

No shit lol

Unreal how bad they have it

[snow fern]

I also got a lot of beef with 5e martial archetypes just being "totally not a magic class guys"

[sacred ginkgo]

I have a 6th level warlock rogue who can drop a single target fireball every round without spells

Not really a martial though

[arctic talon]

Warlock is a full caster

[arctic talon]

Mirror knight, arcane archer, echo knight,

I know I’m missing some stuff

[sacred ginkgo]

Psi knight

Soulknife

[arctic talon]

Wild magic barb?

[sacred ginkgo]

Ehh

[arctic talon]

I don’t really mind the more magical martials personally

[sacred ginkgo]

Wild magic barbarian is just silly

[arctic talon]

Its a cool idea

[snow fern]

Rune Knight

[sacred ginkgo]

Monster thinking it’s hot shit because it’s immune to non magical physical

The unbridled sillyness within me:

[arctic talon]

I do think that it’s fine

From a game design standpoint

Unless they wana add a magical fighter subclass and add another half caster

[sacred ginkgo]

I have a minor warlock addiction

[arctic talon]

I have a severe cleric addiction

Send help

[sacred ginkgo]

Opinions on twilight domain?

[snow fern]

grossly powerful cleric

My main gripe with Cleric is it boils down to Spiritual Guardians + Spiritual Weapon a lot of the time.

[arctic talon]

Horrifically strong

[arctic talon]

The imperium is depicted as less evil when they’re the pov of the book due to the banality of it

[snow fern]

It's just better war domain like

[arctic talon]

For horrifying imperium tau, and twice dead king

Are very good for it

The imperium is genuinely horrifying

In twice dead king imo

I also do love the imperium being evil

[snow fern]

Somebody's gotta give some love to the phb archetypes.
While we're at it, give the bonus spells feature from the most recent sorcerers to all the old archetypes thanks

[vast crystal]

Well they should fully know it and own it in the way the skaven do

[arctic talon]

I don’t ban twilight domain because it’s still balanced enough

[snow fern]

Fascists are incapable of such things, the illusion of superiority is paramount to their ideology

[arctic talon]

Well the imperium will never acknowledge its horrible actions

It’s the point

The imperium thinks they’re justified

[snow fern]

probably double so, because they're theological fascists

[arctic talon]

Dante’s psycho indoctrination didn’t go properly and he thinks the imperium is a shithole lol

[snow fern]

What's that one Arbite quote? If I was in the wrong for beating you to death, the Emperor would smite me where I stand

[vast crystal]

Ok. Then atleast GW shouldn't covertly try to make them the good guys like the seem to really want

[arctic talon]

They don’t in books

Like at all

Or in codexes

Only place where they seem somewhat heroic is in the trailers

[snow fern]

Individuals can be good people, but as active enforcers in the system, they are not good.
A good example of this is Kim in DE

Btw, play Disco Elysium

[arctic talon]

They don’t

Like at all

[snow fern]

there it is! thanks

[arctic talon]

Good game

[vast crystal]

Why did you respond to me twice

[arctic talon]

Didn’t mean to ping you

The second time

💀

[vast crystal]

👍

[arctic talon]

Just got an example from a rulebook

[green loom]

He is echoing his master, Orbanius Victorum

[arctic talon]

But imo the trailers def paint the imperium in a weirdly heroic light

But I suppose that’s the point

[vast crystal]

They need the cinematic imagery to draw normies in

[arctic talon]

The imperium itself as depicted in most parts of lore is this horrifying bloated carcass of an empire

[vast crystal]

That's part of it

[arctic talon]

That commits atrocities on the regular

And it will not die

[snow fern]

GW is a little too scared of its own satire

[arctic talon]

At least they haven’t removed the foreword yet

With the

It is the 41st millennium

The most cruel and bloody regime possible

[snow fern]

"there is only war"

[vast crystal]

It's not even satire. It's just a blatant depiction of it

[arctic talon]

GW changed it to 42nd millennium

And added some other stuff

[vast crystal]

Not saying that as an insult. Just a matter of fact

[arctic talon]

But GW loves the “the most cruel and bloody regime imaginable”

Imo the tau are a much more sane depiction of like an irl dictatorship

The imperium is like

[snow fern]

Like not all satire is comedic btw, you can absolutely do very serious satiracal pieces, shame a lot are older and therefor harder to find

[arctic talon]

Methed up for its depiction, the absolute worst of it so to speak

[snow fern]

I know Tau hate is alive and well, but like, I hope for the best, for Farsight Enclaves at least

[dusk patrol]

For the same reason the Skaven are often played for laughs is why they're not gonna make everything a doomer in 40k.

[arctic talon]

The farsight enclaves are still a military junta

[dusk patrol]

Its a dumb idea.

[arctic talon]

Yeah that also

[dusk patrol]

It kills any enjoyment.

[arctic talon]

GW doesn’t play factions straight all the time

Because it’s not interesting for a book

To hear about the orphan grinder 9000

And how it processes orphans into orphan meat

[snow fern]

constant sorrow is exhausting

[dusk patrol]

At the end the day 40k isn't supposed to be some deep thing either.

[arctic talon]

Warhammer crime brings up a baby incinerator and then just moved on

[dusk patrol]

You can tell good stories but its about mashing action figures together.

[arctic talon]

Which is both funny as hell and horrifying

[snow fern]

desensitization is a horrific thing yah

[dusk patrol]

Also you need to give people hope to take it away.

If theres no light at all the darkness never changes.

Also frankly speaking Skaven have almost no redeeming characteristics, the Imperium does have some good people at least, and you can write them human.

Skaven are always portrayed as complete scum.

[arctic talon]

Yeah individual skaven are always evil

[vast crystal]

Remember when the tau where horribly niave optimists who genuinely wanted to be a positive influence on the universe. And they got popular because of it?

[snow fern]

Frankly the only reason the Imperium has lasted this long is probably exclusively due to servitors

[arctic talon]

Well they still are that

[dusk patrol]

They were always evil.

Everyone has always been evil.

[arctic talon]

And yeah they were always evil

[dusk patrol]

Tau always had the dark aspects.

[arctic talon]

Just the level of evil the tau posses is like

[dusk patrol]

Fans just don't read.

[arctic talon]

Pretty low compared to everyone else

The tau would be incredibly evil in most settings

[dusk patrol]

And you know, Tau exist as they are and are popular.

Like I don't get the point.

[arctic talon]

Expansionist, unification under one banner, a rigid caste system, “re education”

The evil of the tau is like

A very realistic evil

[dusk patrol]

And no Farsight is not a better version of them.

He's different.

Still pretty damn evil.

[arctic talon]

Farsight is less evil

But he’s like

Running a military junta lmao

[dusk patrol]

The bigger annoyance to me is peoples insistance on endlessly moralizing 40k everyday.

And this goes for people justfiying the Imperium too.

Its so fucking boring and overdone.

[vast crystal]

It's relative obviously and im fully aware of the imperialism but it still existed. They're was somekind of hope and it got retconed because they where drawing attention away from the imperium

[dusk patrol]

It didn't

People don't read

From day 1, they had all the negative evil aspects.

Their first codex had everything negative more or less about them to this day in it. Its just a myth people bring up cause they don't read and then pass on the myth as fact and here we are.

They are a better option in general, but they're still very evil.

[arctic talon]

The first codex was more overt with it tbh

[dusk patrol]

People just obsess over there being "good guys" in 40k and slap it onto a ton of factions whenver they can.

[arctic talon]

but that would require people to have started in 3e

lmao

[dusk patrol]

And largely they don't know jack about the factions.

[arctic talon]

the 8e codex brought back the overtness of the 3e one

when it came to Ethereals being the literal fucking shadow government

and water caste Feds

[dusk patrol]

I lost my pulse rifles in a fishing accident.

[vast crystal]

My hellgun was sabotaged by etherals

Truly the tau are unforgivable

[normal grove]

Could an ork convince humies that he's not an ork but a greenish Ogryn if he thought purple thoughts and spoke a bit of Low Gothic?

[arctic talon]

not how the gestalt field works

oh wait

[normal grove]

not what I'm talking about

[arctic talon]

convince humans?

[normal grove]

yes

[arctic talon]

uhhh probably not

[normal grove]

ya git

[arctic talon]

Orks are pretty easy to notice

[green loom]

I feel like he could pass if he painted himself pink

[arctic talon]

^yeah

but Orks are like the most widly known about Xenos

[normal grove]

umiez is dumb though

[vast crystal]

...what was that field that leads to orkish meme foder?

[green loom]

"weird ogryn"

[arctic talon]

Ork gestalt field

but imo its possible for a kunnin Ork

to pass as an abhuman

as long as they like take the necessary precautions

[normal grove]

A properly weird one like a Blood Axe Kommando that knows about umies and is a bit sneaky could pull it off I think

Like he gets caught in the Munitorium tryin' to steal dakka, and instead of opening fire he just uses a bit of kunnin'

[arctic talon]

just have to make sure to avoid people who know properly what Orks are

[storm jungle]

Orks are literally one of THE top "shoot on sight" xenos in 40k. Not happening.

BUT.

I suggest reading Armageddon Saint, where one of the main Last Chancer characters actually has an ork follow him around since he sees him as "tough"

[green loom]

It can if you write it

[storm jungle]

whenever the ork does something he gets scared but hes mostly just following him about not doing anything bad lol

[vast crystal]

I thought it was like. The worg or something distinctively orkish

[storm jungle]

Warg'ing is in GoT

so

[green loom]

The Sorg

[storm jungle]

The Schwartz

[vast crystal]

The strogg

[storm jungle]

I understood that reference

[green loom]

Dilara grab your comb
We have to comb the desert

[storm jungle]

COMB THE DESERT

[vast crystal]

I wish more media had the strogg asthetic

[normal grove]

Naaah I ain't an ork, mate, Iz a ork-grin. Just a bit green lookin cuz green iz da best color... dats why da Emprha gavez it to da guard 'e did

[green loom]

That was a weird ass movie

[storm jungle]

its literally a star wars spoof

its great

https://tenor.com/view/megamaid-spaceballs-gif-18117191

Me when my friends ask me how the Imperium does exterminatus

[vast crystal]

I wish spacekings wasn't made by flashgitz

[storm jungle]

same

they are awful

The entire reason Space King is even a thing is because GW shut them down for selling black templar merch

...which is like yeah fair lol

[vast crystal]

Imagine doing the furry memes in current year

[arctic talon]

Lore accurate tyranid invasion

[storm jungle]

ikr

[green loom]

Me when my marketing is built on "haha kill the furries"

[storm jungle]

you know its good when even actual furries liked it and remained unoffended

and people are like "well it was just a joke!"

yeah sure buddy lmao

[vast crystal]

No one cares anymore and it's not even funny

It's the most low effort shit possible

[green loom]

Those absurdist channels are funny when you're like, 12

[normal grove]

flash gits haven't been funny since the newgrounds days

[green loom]

Like meat canyon

[arctic talon]

I wonder if mechanicus 2 will have an actual “canon” ending to it

Since mechanicus 1 did which was the pick neither sides one

[storm jungle]

Probably not

[normal grove]

I hope the soudtrack is just as cool

[storm jungle]

its the same composer

you know what that means

[normal grove]

awww yeah

I wonder if my boy Trayzen will show up

[storm jungle]

also was gonna say unless its like a center stage title its usually not canon.

like Darktide and SM1 are canon for example

also DoW

others less so since they just arent really that popular or well known lol

[normal grove]

BLUHD RHEAVANS

[storm jungle]

💀

[normal grove]

In my head canon they blast that motivational speech in every Blhudr Rheavan recruitment world. And also, that is just the accent they all have there.

STEAL RHAIN

[storm jungle]

I still love how canonically Boreal almost doomed the entire Chapter due to the events of Soulstorm

[arctic talon]

Mechanicus is literally just over some back water shithole world lmao

Which is fun

Because no matter what happens it doesn’t matter lol

[normal grove]

Tatical Genius Boreal fucked up so hard Steve Blumm turned to Chaos in 2s expansion packs lololol

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Wrong dynasty is the thing tbh

[storm jungle]

also man the mid 2000's

aka the age where Steve Blum voiced every NPC

[arctic talon]

Trazyn might not care to like

Show up

Trazyn doesn’t like sautekh’s

Lol

[storm jungle]

it entirely depends, hes a super marketable character

[arctic talon]

True

[normal grove]

I love me some Trayzn

[storm jungle]

Traying these Zins

[arctic talon]

Trazyn showing up just to be an issue to everyone involved would be funnier

[normal grove]

I'd love it

[storm jungle]

imagine if he just shows up and steals your search team

rip to all that XP

💀

[normal grove]

he just shows up to steal everything and be a pain in the ass to everyone else involved

perfect

steal everyone and everything

oh and BLUHD RHEAVVANS show up too to get some GIFTS FOR THE CHAPTER

[arctic talon]

Interesting to see the playable priests seem to be individuals this time

More so then the first game

[normal grove]

damn clankers

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/giga-chad-confederacy-of-independant-systems-cis-thecisdidnothingwrong-cisdidnothingwrong-gif-23079750

[normal grove]

DAMN CLANKERS!

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-arc-troppers-vs-battle-droids-mk2-gif-18258595

[plush mason]

cant wait to see what the necron campaign will be like

[storm jungle]

Home Alone: 40,000

https://tenor.com/view/home-alone-hit-gif-8588206718935060183

[outer wave]

Instead of a cap gun, he uses a bolt gun

[dusk patrol]

I don’t even care much for Space King tbh

It’s pretty low effort just “this from 40k but we made it overly sexual or weirder”

There was some funny stuff but mostly it was just

[river walrus]

No pet spider, ogryn bodyguard

[dusk patrol]

Kinda gross idk

“Oh the giant not-Tyranid lady has massive boobs”

“Humor”

[storm jungle]

"Go to our patreon to unlock a few frames of it"

fuck off lol

[dusk patrol]

All this new “the joke is porn” shit going around almost makes me wish for a new wave of Puritans

And the best thing is how so many of these mfers get so offended when you point it out

[river walrus]

Ulgo like flashgitz, it overly dramatize things yes, but if look into it. It a warning.

Think bout it, remmember nikoavocado animation? Sure was funny and exagerated but had true warbing to niko, be carefull. Got loadsa exemple but adderal wearin off

[dusk patrol]

I’m not trying to parse that

[storm jungle]

[river walrus]

Oh okay

[river walrus]

Dont like Puri, try to hurt Ulgo an pals

[outer wave]

I hope no one actually spends money on that shit

There's so much better out there

[dusk patrol]

I’m sure if you go to these people Patreon they have an unfortunate number of money coming in every month

[outer wave]

Probably

[plush mason]

they wouldnt make this crap if that wasnt the case

[vast crystal]

Agreed tbh

[outer wave]

I know we've talked about this already but god the style isnt good for porn

Its genuinely garbage for that sort of content so why hone in on that

[dusk patrol]

I guess it works for some people

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-new-vegas-degenerates-degenerates-like-you-belong-on-a-cross-degenerate-gif-21451302

[outer wave]

I guess?

[vast crystal]

This but unironically in this case

[normal grove]

Absolutely not an Ork Kommando In-fil-Traitor tryin' ta steal da foights and da loot from da Inqui Zishum, nope

Blood Axes? Neva eard o them gitz

[tough haven]

https://youtu.be/IRt5C4GNEPI?si=wqwe0Da0MS9AID8x

This guys’ album is so good for mechanicus core

That and another one I can send if you wish

sounds like the title screen for a mechanicus game

probably could use more organ though

https://youtu.be/Mmuy7D8E8NY?si=p0C3AZMwmcfWS-3H

https://youtu.be/OtUECgwFDKM?si=z9BtbwkQZDCVIXJg

https://youtu.be/3zQCm2v61lE?si=4YKt7rI_vPc3J1fk

Kinda funny the images are AI generated

[arctic talon]

abominable intelligence

kill it

[tough haven]

Music is dope though and not made by ai

[winter vessel]

Yeah, I’ve listened to a few of their videos

[tough haven]

jeez, when I try to do AI tech priests they're just horrifying

and not in the mechanicus way I love

stuff like this

[winter vessel]

The art that is produced really puts the ‘abominable’ with intelligence

[tough haven]

the abominable intelligence could never comprehend the purity of the children of the omnissiah

[winter vessel]

I remember a quote someone said “I wanted AI to do my laundry and dishes while I write and draw. Not the other way around”

[tough haven]

"Ai should be doing the tedious things for creative people, not the creative things for tedious people"

-a quote from someone I dont remember

[thorn zenith]

Yea ai should assist in elevating humanity beyond menial tasks rather than bringing down the boot of dystopia and reducing human value ever lower

[outer wave]

Still gross so many companies are pushing for AI just so they can save their dimes

[tough haven]

fr

[thorn zenith]

Yea corporatism is damn gross

[outer wave]

Question for you lot: would you ever want to read a 40k book thats based around higher up noble houses and their inter-political mess then end up in a murder mystery situation?

[wraith quartz]

Hey there Mr. @tough haven sir, I do want to thank you for inviting me to, (struggles a bit to the confines of the interrogation chair), have a reasonable conversation about my parole, and I understand that you are still suspicious of involvement with to sudden disappearance of the late factorum foreman. But I assure you that I, Penitent hp87-45 had no involvement to his disappearance, nor engaged in any "heretical" activities.

(*note: to other scriers (good folks who will be taking part in this conversation) if I'm texting too long it's because I'm watching a documentary, while writing lore inquiries)

[tough haven]

no, I would however like to read a book about necron nobility in a situation like that

[outer wave]

Ooo okay okay fair enough

[tough haven]

theyre just hilariously petty

[tough haven]

Heinrix, boil his blood until he talks

[outer wave]

They have to grab a detective from Trayzn's studies to help them with their murder mystery - it turns out everyone has been trying to murder the other the entire time

[tough haven]

yeah pretty much

but id love to see it spiral out of control

[outer wave]

That sounds hilarious

I would love 40k Umineko though but that does sound fun as hell

[wraith quartz]

Scream of Tom, from Tom and Jerry
Right anyway, before the conversation becomes one sided as you ask more and more questions, I do have one thing to ask....

[tough haven]

Ask away

[outer wave]

^^

[wraith quartz]

Soooo, I know it looks a bit bad, (as I continue jiggling the armrest locks), but what is the inquisition exactly?? Like when did they form, how big is the inquisition, at what level do they maintain authority?

[arctic talon]

The inquisition is the secret police of the imperium, it’s pretty much any irl intelligence agency fused with every irl secret police agency mixed with 40k insanity

It was formed by Malcador during the tail end of the heresy

An inqusitors authority is technically infinite. The only people that they can’t order around if they have more guns is the custodes

[wraith quartz]

Hmmm

[arctic talon]

The inquisition is relatively de centralized

[wraith quartz]

Hmm, so were they established pre or post Heresy?

[arctic talon]

During

[wraith quartz]

Oh,

[tough haven]

The inquisition can essentially do anything to anyone

the only thing that polices the inquisition is the inquisition

[arctic talon]

Right around the end

There’s another story it was founded right after the emperor was put on the golden throne

But the founded by malcador one imo is more likely

[tough haven]

Its split into 3 main branches, the ordo xenos, ordo hereticus, and ordo malleus

[winter vessel]

Our rejects in Darktide follow inquisitor Grendyl in the Ordo Hereticus

[wraith quartz]

Right

In the three ordos, what are the workarounds for xenos?

[tough haven]

doesnt ordo hereticus kinda police the other ordos as well, or is that malleus

[tough haven]

what do you mean?

[arctic talon]

All of them police each other tbf

But hereticus is fastest to uh

Clamp down

[wraith quartz]

Like how do they operate in finding xenotic heresy...

[arctic talon]

People working with xenos, killing xenos

Learn about xenos

[winter vessel]

Sanctioned Xenos

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[winter vessel]

Eat the Xenos(joke)

[tough haven]

They are the few that are allowed to research and work with xenos in the aim of learning more about the foe and which ones cause the largest threat, and how best to exterminate those

[arctic talon]

Ordo xenos is also often just

A fan of killing xenos lol

[tough haven]

||****|| the xenos (joke)

[tough haven]

an artist in killing xenos

[wraith quartz]

So in the ordo xenos, what would be the most consistent threat to the Stability of Mankind?

[winter vessel]

Nids. Nids everywhere…

[wraith quartz]

Nids?

[winter vessel]

Tyranids.

[wraith quartz]

Ooh

The bug aliens

[tough haven]

Depends who you ask

[arctic talon]

Tyranids and orks

[tough haven]

Some will say orks, some will say necrons

some will say tau (lol)

[arctic talon]

Tyranids are a big one rn

Lol

[tough haven]

depends on the inquisitor

[arctic talon]

Mostly because

[wraith quartz]

Hmm, mmh

[arctic talon]

The 4th tyrannic war

Lul

[winter vessel]

I still remember they tried to be friendly with the Tyranids when they first encountered them. Shit was funny

[tough haven]

Hey, you cant say they dont try, you miss 100% of the shots you dont take

[arctic talon]

Rip random water caste diplomat team

[tough haven]

they're bold at least

[tough haven]

80% of the time they die, but I gotta commend their grit

it takes balls to try and negotiate with the various star spawned horrors

its way easier to just kill them

[arctic talon]

Also the Ordo xenos tries to do CIA stuff with the tau sometimes@

Or the human population on tau worlds

[winter vessel]

“Hello, would you like to speak with our lord and savior the Greater Go-“ gets run over and devoured by the bugs-Water Caste member

[tough haven]

I weep for the drukhari "cultural exchange" water caste diplomat

[wraith quartz]

So what alien xenos thing, would most likely cause issues to the Imperium. (Like via infiltration, conspiracy, destabilization of hive cities/societies)

[tough haven]

“Hello, would you like to speak with our lord and savior the Greater Go-“ gets beaten to death by orks

[tough haven]

for more covert/enemy within stuff, I'd say tau or eldar

they always are meddling

[wraith quartz]

Hmm

[winter vessel]

“Hello, would you like to speak with our lord and savior the Greater Go-“ gets de atomized to the molecular level by funny metal Skeleton man with green laser

[winter vessel]

Ordo Xenos also make up for muscle with the aid of the Deathwatch Astartes Chapter at their disposal

[tough haven]

I love the lore for Anrakyr the traveler, saving an entire tau planet from tyranids, going to the party they throw in his honor, only to say "we're going to kill you all now" because they live on a tomb world

bro could have easily just let them leave

[wraith quartz]

Tell me more about Ordo Mallus, what do they do exactly?

[arctic talon]

They sent ethereals that time

Lmao

[winter vessel]

It is literally the 40k version of the Megamind Titan meme

[arctic talon]

Eldar and Tau shenanigans occur as do genestealer cults

The Tau are pretty big on CIA stuff now

I.E destabalizing imperial worlds by supporting rebellions

[tough haven]

please someone make this

[arctic talon]

supporting piracy with tau war material

ect.

[tough haven]

totally forgot about GSC lol, theyre the big ones

[winter vessel]

Deal with Daemonic threats. Not just lowly heretic cults starting an insurgency. It’s more to the level of “Ah Fuck! The Immaterium is leaking into real space again”

[arctic talon]

There was a excerpt in the tau codex with a Water caste member pretty much running a massive pirate fleet

ruining imperial shipping routes and offering Tau "protection"

from the pirates

[wraith quartz]

Hmm

[arctic talon]

Kill daemons, near exclusively

Ordo malleus only get involved when shit goes horribly wrong

Ordo Hereticus members are not fans of Malleus because they feel that Malleus at times "steals the glory"

[winter vessel]

We’re pretty much the tip of the Spear

[wraith quartz]

So they're a bigger brother to hereticus?

[arctic talon]

Ordo hereticus and malleus do not get along very well despite how similar their foes are

[arctic talon]

they're like the roided up sibling who's really good at hitting people

the ordo malleus is by far the least subtle of the ordos

[wraith quartz]

Ah

[arctic talon]

like once shit hits the fan

and daemons show up Malleus is gona get involved

[wraith quartz]

So how big of a daemon has to be for them to be involved??

[arctic talon]

literally any kind of daemon

but really small ones

like brimstone horrors and nurglings

Lesser daemons already are a huge threat

[winter vessel]

Malleus isn’t being involved yet in Darktide. As we have, to say the least, have managed to “contain” the threat that doesn’t warrant the involvement of Malleus. But if it gets to a point where unholy hordes of Nurgle’s forces start spreading across the system at large rates, than yeah, shit has hit the fan.

[wraith quartz]

Hmmm , hmmm

[arctic talon]

Malleus would want to get involved

with the events in Darktide

but I doubt Grendyl is letting the full story get out

[winter vessel]

He’s telling his Astropath every time he gets a call from a rival of his in Malleus. “No no! Let it go to voicemail”

[arctic talon]

yeah pretty much

and if Grendyl is reporting to anyone else

they're most likely hiding the extent of the issue if they want to deal with Tertium on their own

but shit like this is when Ordo malleus starts getting involved

[wraith quartz]

Right so the relative, "bread and butter" of the game franchise, Hereticus, how do they operate?

[arctic talon]

Hereticus are generally more subtle then the literal sledge hammer of malleus

their goal is to root out heretical cults(chaos ones)

so sometimes that requires subtlety

Ordo hereticus are considered more "unhinged" at times

[tough haven]

Like beasts of nurgle count I’m pretty sure

[arctic talon]

mostly since their primary targets are human traitors

[tough haven]

Maybe even chaos spawn

[arctic talon]

Chaos spawn aren't daemons

but the BoN counts

[tough haven]

Or the daemons infesting systems

[arctic talon]

but the ordo hereticus is def the most subtle of the 3

they like sliding into a worlds politics or observing

[tough haven]

Xenos can do this as well in certain matters

[arctic talon]

Malleus kills daemons primarily and Xenos obviously kills xenos

but Hereticus tortures and kills regular humans

a lot lol

[winter vessel]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Like Malleus kills a lot of humans

but they usually aren't torturing them for information

[tough haven]

Aren’t daemonhosts a big enough threat for malleus

[arctic talon]

Depends

daemonhosts are much more contained

and less corrupting

from a lore perspective

[tough haven]

Or does it fall under heretics bc technically it’s a corrupted heretic

[arctic talon]

its both

[tough haven]

Or just unlucky psyker/victim

[arctic talon]

the lines blur anyways

between ordos fast

[winter vessel]

That too

[arctic talon]

Especially for Hereticus

who can easily veer into dealing with xenos or daemons

very quickly

[tough haven]

Just get 4 crackheads to beat one to death

[winter vessel]

4 ogryns with shovel and rocks

[sacred ginkgo]

One specific crackhead with a devils claw

[arctic talon]

the biggest thing with the inquisition is that the ordos aren't really solid divisions

on what the inqusitors within deal with

its more so a

This is what they prefer to deal with and what they are equipped to deal with

[wraith quartz]

So within the ordos, how do they go and fiIIIIINdd, (gets zapped by an electric metal prod), Heresy?

[arctic talon]

Like other inqusitors being heretical?

[wraith quartz]

They can't just simply wait for the heresy to come to them?

[arctic talon]

oh looking for it

torture

for malleus its easy

since daemons showing up can be somewhat noticed

hereticus and xenos rely on torture

lots and lots of torture

but the main methods are investigation and torture

[wraith quartz]

But like how do they really know a system, planet, or city isn't really being faithful to the Emperor?

Like how did Grendel (for example) know shit was acting up in Atoma?

....

....

[crisp heath]

why spikies dont like emprah?

emprah is nice. good friend to ogryn, but spikies don't like?

[wraith quartz]

Yeah I understAAAIIINdd, (gets zapped again), if the question is too blunt or sensAAAAAIIITTive (gets pins inserted). We can move on to the next topic...