40k-lore-chat

[queen laurel]

No it was the guy who tried to target dilara because she made a joke about forge world

Like a joke

[thorn zenith]

theres getting involved and shooting the shit with your fanbase, and theres being an ass, depending on the flow of the community

[outer wave]

Oh yes her

I just recall the person that saw the whole thing then made a video about it, labelling it as Darktide drama

[thorn zenith]

i wasnt there for any of it, didnt even hear

[winter vessel]

Forge worlds…seriously

[outer wave]

Basically in general chat, Dilara makes a joke about forgeworld prices and two guys get uppity. It gets to a point where they get kicked/banned/whatever. Someone (not gonna give the name) saw that all go down, and accuses Dilara that shes being awful to people who want to enjoy the hobby in their own way, and makes a video showing the conversation out of context. Dilara calls out her shit as a few people here did, then tries one more thing by going "Erm if Im such a bad guy here, why dont you ban me like those other guys?" basically, and was banned on IIRC New Years eve.

The video in question has been privated so didnt really go the way she wanted lmao

[thorn zenith]

somehow that does not surprise me

[outer wave]

I did look back at that channel, and the last Darktide video she made was her playing the penance update and from the title, wasnt enjoying it

[winter vessel]

I am looking forward to the next one in June

[outer wave]

Same!

[thorn zenith]

i must be rusty to all hell at this point

[outer wave]

Same tbh

[river walrus]

Ulgo never enter in contact with Great Soviet Imperium match

[gray umbra]

.you can be any number of years old and still be a manchild

oh wow that was late

[vast crystal]

You're still right

It's a mentality

[plush mason]

so does power armor have a machine spirit?

[near wasp]

Yes

[lunar harness]

why wouldnt power armor have a machine spirit?

a little gear that needs to be oiled has a machine spirit

everything has a machine spirit

praise be to the motive force!

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-gif-40123618314459872

(electro priest pictured 41965 in the defense of armegeddon against the orc menace)

[plush mason]

time to see if Pascal can ctrl alt del Aurora's then

[thorn zenith]

with toybox he can, because you dont have to wait until endgame to use maximum chadness in the last 3 engagements

[plush mason]

he could not

but my commissar MC handled him

with help from Heinrix and Idira

[thorn zenith]

Aurora? more like AAUUUGGGHHH

[wraith quartz]

Hey, sidenote:

What do the call out codes work in the Militarum?
Like I always here veteran say,"Traxis-66 (flamer), Sigma-minorus-33 (hound), or traxis-1 (sniper)

[storm jungle]

The ones we use are specifically for this specific warzone

its like how in Vietnam the U.S troops refer to the viet cong as Victor-Charlie (VC) etc

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/бальтазар-warhammer-gif-23779786

VC you say?

[storm jungle]

BRUH

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-gif-26826812

[dusk patrol]

🎶*Some folks are born, made to turn stuff to gold!*🎶

Mfw my magic power is money printing

https://tenor.com/view/money-printer-gif-6699448061706491662

[radiant lance]

Why don't we have a code for mutants yet despite fighting them for like years now?

And they're like a pretty uniform type of mutant

[dusk patrol]

The code is “filthy fucking mutie”

Also I think there is one?

[storm jungle]

Im pretty sure there is, hold on

[dusk patrol]

Sorry “Filthy fragging mutie”

[storm jungle]

"N/A (Veteran says explicitly there is no code for mutants)"

welp lmao

[wraith quartz]

Hmmm

[thorn zenith]

they might be uniform just because of mechanical limitations

[crisp heath]

I think the necrons might be my favorite faction of 40k

Very funny guys

[celest dome]

And/or are made, not natural mutants

[storm jungle]

They are just bing chilling

[celest dome]

I quite like Necron, happy that we get to play as them in Mechanicus 2, some people have been saying that there is a un revealed faction for that, not sure if correct

[crisp heath]

I thought I liked the orcs more when I first got into 40k

But man the pure pettiness of the necrons is really fun to watch play out

[thorn zenith]

immortal and powerful beings being petty as hell is honestly a fun trope

[crisp heath]

I heard one YouTuber say “if every necron woke up, they would easily win the setting”

Is this true?

[thorn zenith]

if they simply woke up? prolly not

[celest dome]

In theory

[thorn zenith]

they might end up fighting each others

[snow fern]

maybe? They'd probably be written to be petty af to each other cause dynasties are like that

Just look at the Infinite & the Divine

[thorn zenith]

if they wake up and unite, pretty high chance

[celest dome]

It's the same thing as "If the Imperium managed it's ressources it could win the galaxy"

[crisp heath]

Old married couple trying to kill each other

[arctic talon]

that would require them to be unified lmao

[snow fern]

Yah it'd be like the imperium getting its shit together

[arctic talon]

so no

If the necrons were somehow completely unified and all woke up yeah no shit

thats their "victory condition" so to speak

[snow fern]

It'd be incredibly out of character

[arctic talon]

g u n

[dusk patrol]

If they were unified maybe

[celest dome]

||End Time Skaven||

[crisp heath]

Have the silent king grow a pair

[dusk patrol]

But that’s a big “if”

[crisp heath]

Simple as

[arctic talon]

They don't have god telling them to get their shit together smh

[dusk patrol]

It’s like how the Orks would be nuts if they unified

[crisp heath]

The BEAST

[celest dome]

Still is a major characterisation break though 💀

[snow fern]

I mean, it's incredible nobody has killed Ghazkull for that exact reason

[dusk patrol]

Most factions have some “I win” thing that could happen but never will

[arctic talon]

Whats new in End times 💀

[crisp heath]

What’s the tau’s win?

[snow fern]

big waaaghs aint no joke

[snow fern]

survive 40k

[dusk patrol]

I said most

[crisp heath]

lol

[arctic talon]

the tau's victory condition is survival

[thorn zenith]

taus are too small to actually win, survive is their best deal

[dusk patrol]

Their win condition is their obscene plot armor

[crisp heath]

The tau being the last survivor of 40k would be the most devastating ending to 40k

[snow fern]

the tau are a small fish in a big pond, best to hide in the reeds and not be noticed

[dusk patrol]

They benefit from not drawing the full focus of anyone

[snow fern]

even smaller if you're rooting for Farsight Enclaves

[dusk patrol]

And bring a fairly beneficial buffer

[crisp heath]

Farsight is cool, wish other tau were a thing

[thorn zenith]

they could quietly sponge off the human border worlds

[snow fern]

I imagine if the Tau subplot progresses enough we'll see another splinter faction

[thorn zenith]

and hope no one has their shit together and angry enough to bring crusade upon them

[dusk patrol]

They do

[crisp heath]

Tau civil war

[snow fern]

They'd have to be big, even Farsight aint big enough for open acknowledgement like that

[crisp heath]

So orks want the big waaagh, eldar want to bring back a god and the funniest god to commit the silliest prank, humans just want big E back, and tau want to live

That about right?

[snow fern]

Since I'm thinking about it, what's that one Eldar faction that gets along pretty well with the Imperium, even got an enclave or abassador suite for em? They're like 90% wraithguard or something

[crisp heath]

The one that worship the death god or something yeah?

[snow fern]

no not them, they're not Ynnead

[outer wave]

How far do you think orks could theoretically degenerate if they kept fighting each other?

[crisp heath]

They all become Gretchen’s

[outer wave]

Muscular shortstack orks

[crisp heath]

Leagues of votann win the setting

Their ai become super evolved singularity’s and destroy everything

[outer wave]

A singularity of senility more like

[crisp heath]

Random thought, so sisters of battle can rarely pull off miracles in battle

Does the imperium have like actual clerics and stuff like sigmars in fantasy?

Just pysker themed I guess

Or whatever the sisters use

[radiant lance]

I'm just saying, but it's been years. You'd think they make one by now?

[plush mason]

this is the one he wrote after falling to chaos right?

[snow fern]

What the miracles are is probably warp fuckery, they became more commonplace after the Eye of Terror cut the galaxy in half, no I will not intentionally spell Sicatrix Maladictum correctly.
Big E is basically a Warp God tho so who knows, we'll probably get an answer to it the same time we get an answer to the Legion of the Damned.

Also whatever the hell Living Saints are

[crisp heath]

Legion of the cringe

“Erm my space marine legion uses the power of hell to be some ghosts and to fight the good fight against the heckin enemy’s of the wholesome imperium!”

[outer wave]

Man I wish LotD was more like a renegade pirate faction of sorts

They just come in, do their thing, then leave with no specific allegiances

[crisp heath]

If they were one of the legions betrayed and executed by the emperor and went out of their way to destroy monuments and symbols of him that’d be kinda sick

But also don’t want the imperium as a whole to die

[outer wave]

They're anti Emperor space marines, not so much traitor marines

Yeah that'd be sick

[storm jungle]

[halcyon ice]

so whats with the medicae guys are they like traitors who got turned into robots as punishents?

[dusk patrol]

The way the game portrays them is probably exaggerated tbh

Servitors don’t really chit chat that much or have that clear of lobotomy issues

Also they probably wouldn’t be in random segments of the hive

But they could be anyone tbh

[storm jungle]

Its not tbh.

Theres literally a servitor for almost any menial task

they have enough compliant lines to balance the "PLEASE HELP ME" ones

The short story i was reading an hour ago had a door one that is about as bad as the medicae servitor ingame lmao

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Servitor

[dusk patrol]

My point is they’re not spouting stuff like that often, and full lobotomies are a big deal for the ad mech

And it’s doubtful the shit holes we are going to are warranting medicae servitors

[storm jungle]

Yeah but theres enough half-lucid servitor stuff novels for it to not really matter that much.

and again ill trust things actual BL writers write more

which they did do with the medicae servitor and got approved by GW ontop of it

[halcyon ice]

omg it says theres servitor ogryns... thats terrifying

[dusk patrol]

There’s servitor everything

[storm jungle]

If its got a brain and is human it WILL be lobotimized

we got servitor doors

servitor drones

servitor escalators

servitor cars

servitor lifts

servitor computers

uhhh

you get the idea

lol

[outer wave]

Could we have uhhhh

Fortress servitors?

Ship Servitors

Imperial Knight servitors

[dusk patrol]

No but there’s servitors on those often

But they almost always do simple stuff

[outer wave]

But what if they ran the whole fortress/ship/imperial knight, hmmm?

[dusk patrol]

They wouldn’t

I just

It’s too complex. It would be sectioned off at best.

[outer wave]

You could just have multiple servitors working together like that one room in Darktide with all the servoskulls

[dusk patrol]

They can perform tasks but they’re not gonna be running everything

Knights it’s possible technically but they wouldn’t because it’s a huge waste. And also knights are super hard to control.

[outer wave]

Damn

[dusk patrol]

To give an example, titans machine spirits often aren’t capable of moving on their own. Sometimes but typically they require the princeps and the crew to actually move the body still.

[outer wave]

How many people are required to move titans?

[dusk patrol]

Depends

Crew for them is a bit inconsistent, for Warhounds it’s not much

For Warlords and Imperators there’s likely dozens

The bridge crew for Warhounds is 3, bigger titans increase that a good amount

[outer wave]

I see I see

[radiant lance]

Would Elsa from frozen be a psyker?

[celest dome]

I would say she is a Sorceress

[radiant lance]

Okay what about the Harry Potter world?

And let's be realistic:
Dr. strange is a psyker

[celest dome]

Like HP in 40k or Elsa in HP

[radiant lance]

HP in 40k

Wizards in Harry Potter just have the psyker gene

[celest dome]

Like it's difficult to say cause 40k doesn't really boher to class the magic user any further than Psykers

[storm jungle]

Ship servitors do exist but exceptionally rare

the Deathwatch got automatic predator drone kill-ships they got that they use for auto-exterminatus sometimes lmao

theres even servitor-satellites

[dusk patrol]

Kill-ships are guided by special machine spirits

[outer wave]

Thats cool as hell, plus the satellite servitors

Zamn

[dusk patrol]

The craziest servitors we probably see are astropath ones and navigator servitors

[snow fern]

You can servitor astropaths and navs and they work?

[dusk patrol]

Astropath ones aren’t too uncommon in books

Generally inquisition use

[copper nebula]

deathwatch was like veteran space marines going in to highly lethal missions right?

[dusk patrol]

Navigator ones I only recall one appearance

[dusk patrol]

Generally

Black ops marines formed from different chapters

[copper nebula]

ohh right

[dusk patrol]

Sometimes chapters send new promising marines or marines they want to set rid of

[snow fern]

Some are also really sad, like the terminator who genuinely believes he is the last of the Lamenters

[dusk patrol]

Or extremely veteran marines

[dusk patrol]

Dreadnought but yeah

[storm jungle]

My homie could NOT resist posting iron hands

[dusk patrol]

They’re everything from fairly new battle brothers to extremely prized veterans of a chapter

[storm jungle]

📸

[snow fern]

What’s with the giant calipers

[dusk patrol]

Yeah well it’s badass art don’t @ me smh

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/futurama-robot-pincers-gif-17376524

[storm jungle]

It looks cool

reminds me of that one super early 30k art where Ferrus has a giant fucking wrench

[dusk patrol]

They’re tools and also they’ll test a mfer up

[snow fern]

You think there are tech librarians in the Blood Ravens?

[dusk patrol]

It’s a servo harness which is designed to be able to lift a land raider in the middle of combat

[dusk patrol]

Not that we’ve seen

[outer wave]

Do the Iron Hands or Iron Warriors attach servitors to their armor and equipment on their person?

[snow fern]

Damn

[dusk patrol]

Sometimes

As weapons or servo skulls

[soft thunder]

where's the ogryn medicae servitor comic

[outer wave]

Zamn

[dusk patrol]

Techmarines in general do it

[snow fern]

I like the one where the ogryn bodyguard is tasked by his inquisitor to fetch him a med kit from the crashed ship, and he brings the whole ship. I love them so much

[storm jungle]

It was a chimera

WHERE DO YOU PEOPLE HEAR THIS STUFF

[snow fern]

Idk I’m not paid to do any of this

[storm jungle]

Mods, ban this user

[dusk patrol]

Chinese memeophone

[celest dome]

Reading Comprehension on Tumblr's level

[halcyon ice]

imagine your doctor a giant beefy ogryn with a claw hand and optic red eyes

[dusk patrol]

The main purpose of a servo harness is to perform battlefield repairs on vehicles, they’re design to be able to lift stuff like Land Raiders in the middle of a firefight to perform repairs

This happens to make them also really good at tearing mfers apart

[snow fern]

With the existence of tech priests, does the IG still got sappers?

[dusk patrol]

Also they generally have a plasma cutter and blowtorch which are basically an extra plasma weapon and flamer

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[soft thunder]

Ogryn Servitors (credit: McNostrils)

[dusk patrol]

Only war has a bombadier thing can’t recall the name

[halcyon ice]

LOL XD

[dusk patrol]

But basically yes they got explosive dudes

And mechanics

Tech priests are just the primary dudes in charge

Same as marine chapters have Techmarines but they’re not the ones doing all the repairs or driving of vehicles

There’s other brothers who have expertise too

And they have serfs and servitors too

[celest dome]

Field Engineer ?

[dusk patrol]

Idk I don’t think so

It was like bombadier iirc

[celest dome]

Master of Ordnance ? THe one with the artilery thingy

[dusk patrol]

Nah it had a lady with bombs and shit

[celest dome]

Oh Breacher

[dusk patrol]

It’s in one of the supplements

Yeah that I think

[celest dome]

The one with the 2 Melta Bombs

[dusk patrol]

This is the one

[rose thorn]

<3 love my self my pilgrims

the fuckin uh

what is their full name

[dusk patrol]

Maccabian Jannissaries

[rose thorn]

yess

they are my favorite regiment not counting brood

i love some not terrible poeple ecclesiarch

[dusk patrol]

Well

I wouldn’t go that far but

They’re cool

[rose thorn]

yeee

[dusk patrol]

FFG poster boys

Least special snowflake FFG original

[rose thorn]

FFG?

[dusk patrol]

Fantasy Flight games

[rose thorn]

OHHH

[dusk patrol]

Made a bunch of tabletop games

Including the 40k ones

[rose thorn]

OH

they amde arkham horror

and marvel ij

champions

[dusk patrol]

You also have the Crimson “We have standard issue powered carapace and integrated weapons which are better versions of your normal weapons and also we all get unbreakable knives and kickass archeotech plasma and mini railguns and our ducks are all a foot long” Guard

[rose thorn]

you know

whast some asthetics 40k / aos hasnt really touched on yet

[rose thorn]

god i love weird admech vibes

[dusk patrol]

They’re definitely a kickass concept

Lathe Worlds are probably my favorite FFG original thing

[rose thorn]

an army's ODST units types are always great vibes

blade guard, scions/karskins,

[storm jungle]

The most surface ones has generally been explored

so its a bit hard to think admittedly

[dusk patrol]

They haven’t done a my little pony faction

[storm jungle]

[young pecan]

friendship is warp

[dusk patrol]

Friendship is magic and magic is heresy

[young pecan]

psykie pie gets a call from the inquisition

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-astartes-3d-art-nope-gif-16794679

There better one

[arctic talon]

Tbf skitarii also use powered carapace armor

Seems like it’s one of those things the mechanicus doesn’t lack

But keeps for themselves

The funny weapons the crimson guard are cool tho

[dusk patrol]

Urm but Elite, the Crimson Guard aren’t Skitarii

[arctic talon]

They still work for the admech smh

[green loom]

Aren't they skaven

[vast crystal]

From the first founding 10,000 years ago. There have always been female space marines

[arctic talon]

I’ll take unoriginal joke for 500

[vast crystal]

They call em shitposts for a reason

[crystal forum]

outsider

[round storm]

Kinda new to warhammer lore, why do people seem to really like Krieg a lot?

[tough haven]

Neo nazis

Beats me, they’re a boring ass faction

I guess maybe because they’re grimdark-y? And they’re like trench warfare coded and that resonates with war buffs ig? And that’s a big percentage of 40K fans

[normal grove]

Dont orky space ships have stuff like windows and screen doors and stuff that lead directly to space?

[tough haven]

Don’t think so

[round storm]

makes sense

[tough haven]

And maybe

[normal grove]

if anyone could have screen door on a space ship and make it work its da orkz

[tough haven]

I think like with Roks, they keep an atmosphere with force fields

[normal grove]

nah, dey just have widowz everywhere, and ya keep em closed ta not let da air out

sometimez a git just needs ta open up a windoow, stick iz ead out like squig in a buggy, feel da speed, ya knowz?

specially in spess

[tough haven]

That’s just people overestimating the psychic gestalt

It basically just stops their shit from blowing up or falling apart as much as it should

[outer wave]

Mostly the gasmask vibe and some like them due to the memes (shovels for combat, trench warfare, will throw their lives away at a moment's notice)

I sort of like them conceptually and their backstory, but outside of that, they're not that outstanding

[tough haven]

Even thought 80% of that is fake lol

[outer wave]

Yeup

[orchid lark]

[outer wave]

I do like their Slayer-esque cult of sacrifice shit though

[orchid lark]

Krieg had always been the “we will get the job done no matter what” imperial guard shtick

What people fail to realise about that is how ineffective they are because of that

When the enemy operates on the same way or has more bodies than the krieg does

The Krieg regiment will lose effectiveness

[outer wave]

So like tyranids

Which did happen on the Siege of Vraks IIRC

[orchid lark]

Siege of Vraks was krieg against a really entrenched Chaos Warband

Their mission was to retake the armoury world

In the end the inquisition had to step in cause the war took them 14 years

When it shouldve been less than 9 or something

[outer wave]

Didnt they have a situation where they were fighting nids, and it got bad enough that they ran away?

[orchid lark]

80% of the munitions on the planet was used

To my knowledge there were no Tyranids on the Siege of Vraks

[outer wave]

Damn

[vast crystal]

The imperium should have never been portrayed as sympathetic ngl

[outer wave]

They really shouldnt have

[tough haven]

Doesnt matter

[outer wave]

I mean, youd probably still get those folks but itd be in lesser quantities

[tough haven]

people would still look at it and say "this is how society should be"

[vast crystal]

I mean the entire imperium

All of it

Even the guard

[tough haven]

I have no issue with there being small sparks of hope in the soul crushing machine, but lots of people have very black and white thinking which makes subtlety like that hard to do

cause its like a reverse rotten apple scenario, where one good apple (ogryns) makes the rest redeemable ig

Ive always looked at it like humanity has promise, but the imperium =/= humanity, in its current state at least

[vast crystal]

That's why I said the imperium rather than humanity

[tough haven]

too bad theres no non imperium human factions that are any better

[vast crystal]

It needs it's own version of the farsight enclaves

[tough haven]

I mean thats kinda the severan dominate but theyre just as shitty and corrupt

I love the enclaves though

[vast crystal]

The valkern protectorate or something like that

[tough haven]

maybe thats a half decent place for humanity for the time being before they get consumed

oh wait I think the gue'vesa are chemically sterilized so theres no future there either

maybe farsight's council can put an end to that

[vast crystal]

I might sound crazy for saying this. But I don't believe the peace of the unburied dead will ever come

[vast crystal]

Blame gw not thinking about this

[outer wave]

Considering how big it all is yet how incompetently ran, you'd expect some sectors to announce independence or something

[vast crystal]

Walst selling fashy shit to 12 year Olds and making a setting for it with an absurd amount of unrealized potential that actively frustrates me

Even I'm surprised why I'm still in the warhammer Fandom

[queen laurel]

To be fair the imperium's response to people who do that often tends to turn them into ash

[vast crystal]

Consider. It would be far more interesting narratively if we actually had independent/rebellious states that whent chaos aligned

[outer wave]

Of course but considering how AWFUL they're doing on all fronts, you'd think they just would send a relatively small force to deal with

Of course this isnt a realistic setting but a high fantasy in space setting so c'est la vie en rose

[queen laurel]

Yeah an inquisitor that has access to exterminatus

Small

[outer wave]

Yeah I got my hands on the eraser and Im in the writing room

All the writers and investors are watching in horror as I retcon the lore in real time

[vast crystal]

Wait I have the answer. It's because I've deliberately chosen to only engage with warhammer media on a surface level because I get a massive head ache whenever I go deeper than that

That and it's one of the only remotely popular sci-fi/fantasy universes that I have an option more positive than "it's worthless trite garbage"

[tough haven]

Hey I still like its concept at its core

[outer wave]

^

[tough haven]

I love me some grimdark

[vast crystal]

Same here

[tough haven]

but what I love about it is the universe is so vast and the record keeping is so poor in lore, that you can pretty much just ignore the parts you dont like

Dont like krieg? Cool, just do a setting focused on a different segmentum

for example

[outer wave]

Yeah thats a great part especially if you're into the model collecting and painting

[vast crystal]

My brain never figured out you can do this

[tough haven]

Don’t like the blueberries? (or whatever overused SM chapter) that’s fine! They’re conveniently busy doing something somewhere else right now

[vast crystal]

Blood angles fan btw

[tough haven]

I don’t like sm, but if I had to pick one it’d probably be exorcists, or if I gotta pick a mainline I’d go space wolves or salamanders

[vast crystal]

Gue'vesa space marines

[outer wave]

Honestly I dont know why GW havent jumped on the prospect of Gue'vesa marines, considering their love for space marines

[vast crystal]

Some bullshit about mental conditioning

Somewhat related question

[outer wave]

Honestly it'd be pretty cool to see marines in radically different kind of power armor

[vast crystal]

What would you personally do if you got to make a 40k TV show/series

[outer wave]

I really like that idea of Iron Warriors

Do something with them and idk tau or eldar/deldar

Or straight up Ogryns vs Orks

Specifically ogryns

[vast crystal]

I know for certain I'd want to do an animated series

Potentially as a collaboration with an anime studio

[outer wave]

Studio TRIGGER

[vast crystal]

But outside of that I just have some scattered ideas for the plot

[outer wave]

Do tell

[vast crystal]

Basically an apocalyptic telling of the final destruction of the imperium largely from the perspective of Roboute Guilliman

[outer wave]

Oooo

[outer wave]

Thinking back on this, maybe GSC would be a decent foil to Iron Warriors

So them

[tough haven]

I just want an Ork based comedy that’s just absolute horror when it changes perspectives

I want whiplash

[outer wave]

Have it where at WAAAAGH-Donald's, they're running outta meat, so they gotta go into the slave encampments to grab a couple humans, and have it start silly, go horrifying, then go back to silly at the end

[tough haven]

Please don’t give us the old world treatment

[outer wave]

Please do*

[tough haven]

Pretty much

[outer wave]

Perfect

[vast crystal]

Like. His whole character is built around him trying to repair the state of the imperium itself only to realize that it's doomed has he's forced to watch Terra be destroyed in a sedge from multiple armies

Playing out over the course of three acts which might be at most 9 seasons of television

Although 3 might work

With it ending in guillimans death, the complete destruction of Terra and the apparent slaying of the emperor by ether chaos or the tyranids

And seemingly the entire galaxy being consumed in truly apocalyptic warfare

I say apparent because the point is that this isn't the end of mankind

Just the end of the imperium

Of the primarcs

Of the space marines and everything the emperor represents

[crystal forum]

or GW could milk the IP for 40 more years

[vast crystal]

This is explicitly supposed to be Apocrypha

(Non cannon)

[crystal forum]

wait you're just talking to yourself

nvm carry on

[vast crystal]

We I'm talking to whoever will listen to me ramble about it

[crystal forum]

stop pinging me im trying to enjoy my toenails

i'm building a collection

[vast crystal]

What

[crystal forum]

uncultured

[outer wave]

He's collecting toenails from his neighbors

[vast crystal]

[outer wave]

Personally if I ever did an end times thing, I'd end it with every faction dying

[arctic talon]

based?

[outer wave]

The Imperium is finally able to take down chaos but they murder each other due to infighting, Eldar factions take each other out, Necrons take out Tyranids but also start infighting again, Tau is swept away by the greentide and by everyone else practically

Basically it all ends with the galaxy finally becoming quiet, the warp calming down after millennia of hatred and excess, and ending with:
"In the 41st Millennium, there was only war."

[crystal forum]

wow that's almost like how my galaxy ended up in stellaris

because I LOST

TO CETANA

[vast crystal]

I'd rather leave a slate open for an "age of sigmar" type thing

[outer wave]

Ehhh I'd rather not

I mean, I could but not in the way The End Times did it with Sigmar coming in last minute

I'd do it like millenia passes and new species develop and the whole thing starts over again

[vast crystal]

Yeah not in the way end times did it

It's warhammer 80k

[outer wave]

LEGIT

Hell I'd be cool with them finding old tech from the old factions and repurposing them

So you get not IoM or not Eldar

Point is that the whole thing has to end with everyone losing

[vast crystal]

Like im kinda thinking this as well but I'd doesn't end in everyone's death

Just everyone's mutual loss

[outer wave]

I mean that's fair, a little bit more hopeful than what I had in mind

[vast crystal]

The only one who technically won was the tyranids who very quickly fucked off after terra

Because chaos and the necrons annihilated basically all of them

[outer wave]

Oh shit actually idea: Tyranids "win" but for whatever reason the main hivemind thing dies so every bioform and fleet is out for themselves. Generations pass and now they've permanently merged into most if not all ecosystems while the giant carcasses of tyranid still coils through space.

Turnip28 but 40k

[vast crystal]

The genestealers become a mutant sub species of mankind

[outer wave]

Yeah basically and everyone is very cannibalistic

[thorn zenith]

Krieg is a product of imperium propaganda and in truth they are illness prone cowards who wear greatcoats because they think evwrything is cold

[tough haven]

So in between Genefather and the book that comes before it (I can’t remember the name), how is “mainline” Fabius back to life? I know he still has his copies that mirror his consciousness still up and about, and he isn’t one of them

[vast crystal]

Calth was an act of self defense

[vast crystal]

The not IoM being an open theocracy devoted to a literal warp god

[crisp heath]

Is the Nox of Darktide the same as Nox in the Spinward Front from Only War?

[celest dome]

No

Probably

Nothing atm link up the 2

[plush mason]

its amazing honestly

GW has flat out said the imperium is completely evil many times and yet so many in the community ignore them

[celest dome]

See HD, Star Ship Troopers...

[plush mason]

yeah

its simple human psychology tbh

[celest dome]

People really like to think Protagonist = Good

[plush mason]

no one sees themselves as evil so anything they support cant be evil

[plush mason]

the only difference between a hero and a villain is perspective

[arctic talon]

Okay but I like the imperium being evil

The baby incinerator is funny as shit

And it fits the imperium so well

[plush mason]

yeah same

40k's main draw is that everyone is evil as shit

so so sick of the "humans good" bullshit that infects scifi

[arctic talon]

The tau are the least evil and still incredibly evil

Ah yes the expansionist empire with a strict caste based society that limits upwards mobility by people not of the tau species

[plush mason]

also ruled by a caste of mind controlling assholes who will make any tau that disrepects them kill themselves

etherials are not good people

[arctic talon]

Obviously

Craftworld Eldar seem not that evil surface level but no, they’re pretty fucking evil lol

Me when I redirect an ork waaagh so that it kills trillions of people

[plush mason]

we do a little trolling

[arctic talon]

Murder

Is fun

[plush mason]

it says a lot when you think about the fact that the ones on the pyre got off the easiest most likely

i saw a video from a channel that literally just looks into and lists the warcrimes of various fictional factions/people/player characters and im curious what a video about the imperium would be like

[celest dome]

Would have to do a full series

[plush mason]

yeah

the imperium's very existence constitutes a war crime

[arctic talon]

Executing prisoners

[celest dome]

Crime against Humanity

[plush mason]

that too

[raven stone]

I wonder if “Imperium of Mankind” is an answer card on a Crimes against Humanity deck ever…

You could get some hilarious results.

[vast crystal]

Cursed question:
What chaos gods would the Phantom Theves of persona 5 follow

[plush mason]

Tzeentch

he is a troll and they are trolls

[vast crystal]

Ok fair enough

But I more so ment individual members rather than the whole group

[plush mason]

oh idk

i have the most basic surface level of persona knowledge

[orchid lark]

Thievery, deception, and being indirect

Khorne is an immediate no no

As is Nurgle because a phantom thief has to experience change

So none of those two

They also dont commit any forms of addiction or do anything in excess

Realistically the phantom thieves from persona dont fit into any niche for the chaos gods

[shadow latch]

Dear god what have I stumbled into

[plush mason]

a very cursed topic

[plush mason]

Tzeentch is the closest fit afaik

[orchid lark]

All of the characters for the persona series are very

Anomalous in their personalities

Theyre all an outcast to society to a certain degree

(Wow just like me fr fr)

[plush mason]

which is Tzeentch, he is the god of change magic and schemes

[orchid lark]

To a degree

[plush mason]

no thats his whole shtick

[orchid lark]

True true

[plush mason]

so yeah they are not a perfect fit but he would be the closest

[vast crystal]

So all of them truly are tzeentch

[plush mason]

if what Adam said is true and they are all anomalous outcasts then yes

because thats the kind of people Tzeentch attracts the most

[vast crystal]

I mean sure

But I don't imagine say... ryuji or mokoto wanting to be coked up wizards

[plush mason]

not everyone that follows Tzeentch is

magic is just one aspect of him

[vast crystal]

But that might just be view of said characters being tainted by head cannon

They always gave me khornite vibes specifically

[plush mason]

khornite=rush head long into your enemy

[queen laurel]

a good chunk of people who joined the bird god tends to seek knowledge or arcane power

[plush mason]

no subtlety no tactics, just brute force

[vast crystal]

...that's just ryuji

[plush mason]

yeah

[vast crystal]

Like cannon ryuji is kinda like that in terms of his battle tactics

[queen laurel]

Does he succumb to his rage to the point that his mouth begins frothing and he begins swinging everywhere with a giant weapon

[orchid lark]

Also gotta note if hes honourable or not

[vast crystal]

I think mokoto or aketchi did that

[queen laurel]

Yeah every single worshipper of khorne does not care for honor

They just want to become the greatest warrior to exist that is basically nothing more than a frenzied killing machine

[plush mason]

Khorne and honor is weird, because like in a way he is about it but also not

[vast crystal]

Up front betrayal

[plush mason]

yeah

[queen laurel]

Yeah his way of thinking what honor is is just duking it up with nothing but sharp weapons and strength

[orchid lark]

No lies

No backstabbing

[queen laurel]

No shooting no magic

Just hands

[plush mason]

remember he only got mad at Skarbrand because he hit him in the back

[queen laurel]

yeah and this is one of his favorite champions which literally killed everything he came across in a span of a year and a few days and made a river of blood

[plush mason]

yeah

so its weird

[celest dome]

And yet they have the Skull Cannon

[queen laurel]

Shut the **** ** it's a ******* long range headbutt

[vast crystal]

Idk about that

[plush mason]

that gets a pass because it has to melee to reload

[vast crystal]

All that matters to him is spilling blood

No matter how

[plush mason]

well one thing does matter

the kill has to be quick

[queen laurel]

Yeah I think it's more on the term honorable combat that he really sticks with

[celest dome]

So Khorne should accept Magister and Psyker, if they fought in melee

[queen laurel]

His way of that is quite ****** like I said

[plush mason]

so his hated sibling Slannesh cant get to much power from it

[queen laurel]

I think maybe they abandoned their magical ways

[vast crystal]

Yeah we aren't slannesh

[plush mason]

yeah Khorne kills quick

[celest dome]

If FS introduce Daemons, and then cults to the other Chaos Gods, we could be seeing an unprecedented characterisation of Lesser Daemons.
Which I'm very much in favour of

[plush mason]

same

[vast crystal]

I can see why you'd lump them all with tzeentch

[plush mason]

btw, thanks to my unsanctioned psyker in rogue trader i now know just how big a bloodletter is next to a normal human lol

[vast crystal]

Guess I'm the werid one for watching to flesh them out as members of different chaos gods

[plush mason]

i use one psykic scream and poof, there is a giant ass red demon right next to me

[celest dome]

Ogryn Sized?

[plush mason]

near 2x the size of a normal human so yeah

[green loom]

Yeah I got freaked out when I first saw them

[vast crystal]

I'd it edgy to say the imperium and chaos are kinda equal in terms of evil?

[plush mason]

no

chaos exists as a mirror to the imperium

[green loom]

Nah it's more or less intended

[plush mason]

^

[green loom]

The daemons are just more primordial/flat evil

[vast crystal]

It's the imperiums own evil thrown back at them

[plush mason]

thats why chaos is literally just imperial but spikes in terms of ascetics

[orchid lark]

Technically everyones evil

Some daemons existed before humans

[plush mason]

daemons and chaos arent really the same chaos also means the mortal followers

[green loom]

Well we can't be sure in that they kinda transcend time and whatnot

[orchid lark]

I mean, Bela’kor wasnt a human was he

[plush mason]

just like the imperium chaos is filled with various sub factions

[green loom]

Not that we're aware of

[orchid lark]

Whether they transcend time jt doesnt mean they have never existed before humans

[vast crystal]

I like chaos

[green loom]

Oh yeah didn't mean that

[plush mason]

in fantasy he was i think

[orchid lark]

Some daemons are probably fucked up Aeldar if you think about it

[plush mason]

the first mortal to join chaos

[vast crystal]

Slannesh

[plush mason]

idk about 40k

[orchid lark]

Even before

[vast crystal]

I know

But slannesh is basically just a hypersexualised aldari

[plush mason]

the war in heaven ruined everything

[vast crystal]

Also what is it with the name change

[celest dome]

Depend on how you read Daemon Princes and Exhalted Daemons.
Plus the Great Game

[green loom]

What name change

[vast crystal]

Eldar > Aldari

[celest dome]

From Eldar to Aeldari ?
Legalese

[orchid lark]

Aeldar?

[plush mason]

speaking of, do we know which god is leading in the great game in 40k?

[orchid lark]

Aelf is tolkeinnism isnt it?

[green loom]

Think it's khorne rn

[celest dome]

No it's GW names, same as Duardin

[orchid lark]

Is Eldar tolkeinnism?

[vast crystal]

Same thing with the guard and marines then

[green loom]

Aelf yes, Aeldari no

[green loom]

Yes

[celest dome]

Change by edition, but last it was Nurgle

[orchid lark]

There we go

[green loom]

Both are still used also

[celest dome]

They did shy away from the Great Game implications

[plush mason]

honestly that whole thing sounds like a pain with the scale of 40k

so i cant blame them

[celest dome]

Well its very much a thing that loom over the setting the same way that the Tyranid main fleet does

[plush mason]

yeah

[celest dome]

Not something you actively use unless you want to end the Great Game.

But I like the Implications of there having been multiple games before

[plush mason]

GW just sitting there with 2 nukes for 40k if they need like that one meme

[celest dome]

2? Those are rookies number they have nearly 1 per faction

[plush mason]

i was about to ask wtf the eldar could do to nuke the setting then i remembered that whole thing fell apart kekw

honestly i dont think any of the eldar factions have any potental to end the setting

nor tau for that matter

[celest dome]

Necron have 2, Silent King, Celestial Orrery
And some of the C'tan stuff

Eldar I don't know enough

[vast crystal]

I wish we had a sane chaos society in wh40k

[celest dome]

There is/was

[plush mason]

kingdom of Thul?

[celest dome]

Multiple if you count the Interex
Which you shouldn't

[green loom]

Kinda oxymoron

That being said basically no society is sane in 40k lol

[vast crystal]

Like think the word berers "you cannot separate faith from man" but the people saying that had a half decent idea of what to do post imperium

[vast crystal]

Look at warhammer fantasy

[storm jungle]

Norscan societies are not "sane"

[green loom]

Uh at best AoS

The fantasy chaos empires are

Yes

[storm jungle]

Also they are literal cavemen

they arent advanced

so they dont actively scheme as much

[green loom]

Well there's the chaos dwarfs but they're kinda crazy

[storm jungle]

Yeah they arent stable either

[orchid lark]

Like you

[storm jungle]

thats what happens when half your population is slaves

[green loom]

What with them making a deal where they need nonstop sacrifices

[storm jungle]

they turn into ROCK

[orchid lark]

https://tenor.com/view/raven-team-leader-fortnite-kill-gif-99592695574006921

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Only the sorcerers!

[orchid lark]

Elden Ring reference

[plush mason]

why the fuck are dwarves cut off from the winds of magic anyway?

[storm jungle]

They were engineered by the Old Ones to be that way

and be strong against Kayos™️ corruption

[plush mason]

wait so, they where basically fantasy kororks?

[storm jungle]

Well no they were just dwarves

[celest dome]

Same way Halfling are. But Halfling were made in combination with Ogre

[storm jungle]

the Old Ones just went

"hey lets make them chaos resistant"

lol

they were literally just homebrewing fantasy races

[green loom]

Dwarfs are pretty fun to play

[celest dome]

It's just Gnomes who don't have am origin story afaik

[plush mason]

so so broken in TWWH, its great

a frontline that is about as moveable as a mountain and more guns than god

[celest dome]

Still annoyed that Grimm wasn't the LL

[green loom]

Grimm?

[plush mason]

Mal was alays gona be an LL

that madcap engineer slayer is just too famous to not be in

[queen laurel]

me laughing as my frontline of iron breakers sit there and eat damage while my artillery turned the enemy into dusk

[plush mason]

yup

pick a corner and sit there

and gg

[queen laurel]

by the ancestors send in the hindenburg

literally my reply to every single problem that comes up

[plush mason]

yeah there are few problems the thunderbarge cant solve

[queen laurel]

360 shooting bomb dropping a giant ******* spear

[green loom]

By few you mean none

[plush mason]

yes

[queen laurel]

a lot of matchups it just wins

[plush mason]

unless you are fighting like 3 full armies

and 1 of those fully focuses the barge

[queen laurel]

your best bet of getting rid of it is every single range weapon you have

[celest dome]

Grimm Burloksson

[celest dome]

Should have been a LH.
Failure of an Engineer, failure of a Slayer

[plush mason]

he gave us the flying deathmachine god so cant be that much of a failure

[queen laurel]

as an orc player my reply is pledge your fealty to the empire of the rising sun

Yeah this is like the only way an orc army is going to reliably deal with the Thunder barge

[celest dome]

1. He didn't invent Thunder barges
2. His first time making one killed many dwarves. (Same as his Nautilus)

[plush mason]

i had a mod in 1 that made that thing have like 16 or more of those in a unit

it was just raining gobos

everything died

[queen laurel]

Yeah thank goodness he named the second one spirit of grungi

Because the first one was unsinkable and indestructible

And I'm pretty sure you know what the hell happened

[celest dome]

Unsinkable yes for the Submarine

[plush mason]

kek

[plush mason]

i have only ever heard he did invent them

[queen laurel]

yeah this is how like i play grimgor

[celest dome]

On the other hand, Hedda Bardinsdottir made her own Nautilus and Commandered it

[queen laurel]

I could replace the boar riders with trolls but I don't bother

Could replace four of the boar riders

[celest dome]

One of the book mention a Dwarf Hold being amazed at his TB, but it's Karak Kadrin, which isn't an Engineering Hold like Zufhbar or Barak Varr.
Who do use TB and War Ballons as both freight and scouting units

[plush mason]

so seem the indestructible was just one of the biggest

[whole ruin]

Hey I have a question please, I love 40k stuff but I haven't been in it long enough to understand everything just yet it's a lot to take in lol.
At the Hadron there is a person who's flesh been replaced with robotic parts right? doesn't that mean that they are worshippers of Mechanicus or is it the faction itself that is called Mechanicus? from what I understand Mechanicus is just another name for the God emperor of mankind

[green loom]

The Adeptus Mechanicus/the Martian Priesthood is an organization

The Omnissiah is how they refer to the God Emperor

[whole ruin]

Ahhh I see

[green loom]

Who is a Messenger/Avatar of the Machine God

Which they worship

[whole ruin]

So everything around Darktide you would say surrounds Mechanicus then? Because I was told first time I asked that this game had nothing to do with it at all and those characters I saw such as the Hadron or everyone else that is just a form of punishment and nothing they do willingly to themselves

I am just curious how it works

[celest dome]

Hadron being like she is is due to choice.
Her being on the ship is because the Inquisitor has dirt on her

[green loom]

The player characters are all freed prisoners working for the inquisition

[celest dome]

Game doesn't really surround the Mechanicus

[green loom]

The folks you see around the ship are members of Inquisitor Grendyl's Warband/retinue

[celest dome]

Well "freed"
Till their use is finished then back to the Penal System with us

[green loom]

The AdMech are the main engineer caste in the imperium so their technical/crafting know-how is kinda critical

That's why Hadron's there

[whole ruin]

Wow okey I would never understand this without your help hehe thanks! I wouldn't even know where to read about stuff like this, I only played a few 40k RPG games and watched a few series. But it seems 40k has so much stuff in it would take a life time to understand it all 😄

[storm jungle]

Highly recommend the Lexicanum

[whole ruin]

Where can I find this?

[storm jungle]

its made for people like you who should not be brain-blasted by all this bible-long amounts of text

[storm jungle]

just Google

[whole ruin]

Haha alright thanks 😄

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

Here ya go

[whole ruin]

Good cuz my brains is already mush so it helps, thank you ^_^

[storm jungle]

No worries!

[green loom]

Can lexicanum tell me how to survive caffeine withdrawal

[storm jungle]

no thats the Starbucks site

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFAmCF_PVD0

anyone here listen to this yet?

[storm jungle]

Its good but im not a big fan of not-sabaton musicals mostly

😔

[plush mason]

fair

[shadow plover]

Haven't listened to Miracle of Sound in like a decade

[plush mason]

oh so, has anyone in 40k gone outside the milkyway other than the silent king?

[shadow plover]

wild that he's still at it

[celest dome]

Is Powerwolf "musicals" ?

[storm jungle]

idk i just dislike the style

👩‍🦼

[shadow plover]

Miracle of sound peaked here https://youtu.be/BsUi9R6V1WA

[celest dome]

Powerwolf is my favourite group

[plush mason]

how the fuck did the knife not break

[storm jungle]

Plot

[queen laurel]

because space wolf

[storm jungle]

that Pain Engine can literalyl rip open tanks

so you tell me kek

[plush mason]

true like most things space marine related

[queen laurel]

yeah but my fan made character beat one to death with his hands so what does that say

[storm jungle]

[plush mason]

my rouge trader cut a chaos space marine's arm off with a chainsword

[queen laurel]

hey dilara quick question

can an ork be both a mek boy and a pain boy

because like a pig dok is a thing in savage orks

[plush mason]

i will never not love this image

[queen laurel]

You love the image of a space marine missing his hand lying dead on the floor

I don't know man seems very fishy to me

[plush mason]

specifically because its a word bearer

[queen laurel]

his name is Aurora

[plush mason]

yes

[storm jungle]

Entirely possible, theres a difference between:

These Units exist because tabletop said so
New unit comes along GW pulled out of its ass

Orks are not uniform

[plush mason]

also its the fact the break in his pauldron is exactly where my chainsword hit and im a big sucker for little details like that

[queen laurel]

And of course as usual orks are about as flexible in making goofy stuff work as Mr. fantastic

[queen laurel]

Yeah it is neat

Also the fact that one of the people you meet in the game says he wish he caught the big rat for eating

poor little bloke

[celest dome]

Think there is even one mentioned in one of the book

[storm jungle]

Yarp

[queen laurel]

ohh neat

so it's even a thing

[tough haven]

Who’s to say it didn’t, this is just a snapshot

Maybe they just keep throwing him new ones, so the fight isn’t boring

[tough haven]

Tyranids

Maybe the exploratory fleet in forges of mars?

[tough haven]

Always happy to share info here

[tough haven]

I mean at least in some cases you get a half decent life compared to the imperium, like lowest caste member in tau society is probably leaps and bounds better than average imperial citizen

But still bad

Like I said, enclaves is the way to go

[tough haven]

Me too, I like them just being cartoonishly evil

With little bits of goodness sprinkled in random people

[celest dome]

For AoS I'm starting to think they should do half factions
Malerion being an alternate paint for Lumineth, who has access to certain (like 25/30% of the Lumineth miniatures), adding some new shared ones and having it's own Elites and Lords

So
Lumineth >< Malerion's Host
Daughter of Khaine >< Khornate Sister of Slaughter

[whole ruin]

Much appreciated 🙏

[rocky gale]

Daughters of Khaine are already branching out into both Shadow Aelves (Malerion) and Morai Heg, can't see them going in a Khorne direction as well.

[celest dome]

I see it as a way to add new Miniatures-units that benefit 2 factions,

Thus freeing design space toward Faction exclusive units that wouldn't fit in the current factions

[rocky gale]

I understand but DoK are potentially on the verge of becoming 3 armies in a trenchcoat, so broadening the scope even more seems unlikely

[queen laurel]

You mean like the old orruk war clans

3 armies in one

And they weren't even hiding it

[celest dome]

Morai Heg is more of a sub faction than a branch

[rocky gale]

Personally I think DoK might get reworked into being like the Drukhari in 40k, where they have the Wych Cults, Kabals and Haemonculi Covens.

Except it will be Morathi-Khaine, Malerion and Morai-Heg.

A Triumvir of gods that work together despite all hating and constantly plotting against each other.

[celest dome]

Still feel like Malerion shouldn't be stuck with the DoK

Blood vs Shadows

I'd really see them as Shadow/Dark Lumineth

[rocky gale]

Malerion is kinda already invested in DoK with Shadowstalkers and Shadeborn units though and I don't see them taking those away from DoK

Because they basically only have 10 units and 2 of them are Shadow Aelves (I'm not counting the models which can be built to represent different units)

It's 20% of their range

[near wasp]

I successfully got my coworker into 40k

[rose thorn]

Happy pride

:3

[river walrus]

Good

[azure knoll]

is there any lore precedence for the psyker's in-game staves?

[rose thorn]

It’s a stick that focuses psyker energy

[celest dome]

Miniatures, arts, focuses

Force staves are also a thing but usually noted for melee combat in the same manner as Force swords and such

The techniques being tied to the staves is just a mechanical limitation

[azure knoll]

i was mostly looking for some lore explanation of or examples of, i dunno, a psyker using a staff as a "focus" to better use warp flames, if those are even a thing

[arctic talon]

Psychics focuses exist but they can vary in what they are

[crisp heath]

Yeah they're force weapons

A lot of psyker minis have them

Ahriman has a unique one that's supposed to be suuuuper powerful

[rose thorn]

Hey so, GSC question

So, if a gen 2 and a gen 2 have a kid they make a gen 3 right?

So what happens if let’s say a gen 2 and a gen 3 has a kid

Will it be a gen 4?

What are the genestealer cult breeding habits

[arctic talon]

Id assume it’s a coin toss between a gen 3, gen 4 or gen 2

[young pecan]

Would different generation breeding be forbidden I'm guessing? Maybe not

[outer wave]

Not unlikely to be forbidden

Unless its dealing with a certain kind of genestealers that I cant remember the name of

[arctic talon]

Doubt it

[rose thorn]

i doubt it, the later gens often live together and have families with humans. the earlier gens are seen as angelic and while not taboo it would be pretty hard to have sex with like, the physical repersentation of your god

[young pecan]

That is a really interesting and unexpected dynamic

Moreso the earlier gens being seen as angelic

[rose thorn]

yea

the great uncles and great aunties!

and then when the star children draw near their angels are born much more often

the uh

hybrid metamorphs!

[young pecan]

animorphs!

[rose thorn]

which are born in any generation i belive?

[young pecan]

GSC be like

[rose thorn]

lmao

each of those pciture sis like

a generation

[young pecan]

So do GSC members hide any generation past the first until they take over wherever they're at?

Or do they only start developing the morphs once they take over

[bronze tinsel]

I think every Generation they morph a little more than the previous

it’s hard to detect them because methods for incurring chaos are different than what you’d use against a GSC, and the Imperium mostly looks for traces of Chaos, it’s often what’s assumed when they see a bunch of mutations and stuff

and slight changes over the course of multiple average human lifetimes are harder to detect than doing it all at once in one generation

[arctic talon]

They tend to hide Purstrains and 1st and 2nd gen

3rd and 4th can go into public

[bronze tinsel]

I have wondered before, how many worlds out there have active GSCs on them and don’t even know it

[arctic talon]

A lot

genestealer cults are kind of fucking everywhere

though the size could just be like

30 dudes

or like 5

[bronze tinsel]

all it takes to start one is one dude, and within a century you’ve got a force to be reckoned with.

scary shit

I’ve also had another question, what is the general population size for each race? We know the Imperium has “over a million worlds” and that there are more humans than Tau or Eldar, but also way less humans than Orks or Tyranids, I have no idea how many Necrons there are just that there’s a lot of them.

[winged jacinth]

that's basically what we know

[bronze tinsel]

also that there are way more Drukhari than Asuryani, Ynnari, and Exodites combined.

[winged jacinth]

theres more orks than anyone else combined (not counting the nids which really dont count)
theres a whole lot of humans on both sides
theres about a third as many votann
theres substantially less eldar, most of which are dark i think?
there are fewer tau than eldar

necrons probably outnumber humans

though its debatable how many of them are "alive" in the sense that they'd ever be revived

[bronze tinsel]

it’s hard to say with Necrons since most of them are still lying dormant

[winged jacinth]

yeah, there's at least more dormant necrons than humans iirc

the vast majority are not awake, most will never be awoken? it would cause substantial problems for the setting

the tyranids arent really... countable?

[bronze tinsel]

I’m not surprised Orks are the most populous race, they’re literally everywhere.

[winged jacinth]

they are indeed Literally everywhere

[bronze tinsel]

and most Tyranids are still in transit TO OUR GALAXY

from what I know anyway so it’s impossible to really count them

[winged jacinth]

we dont know how many hive fleets there are or if all of them are headed to the milky way but the real problem is defining what counts as "one tyranid"

a tyranid gets printed out to fight on a world with a gun that's a tyranid full of bullets that are also tyranids

also its blood is full of little microscopic tyranids

[bronze tinsel]

it’s even hard just counting the human population size since “over a million worlds” could mean anywhere from 1 million to hundreds of millions, and a populated world could be anywhere from a couple hundred people to trillions.

[winged jacinth]

yeah theres no info on what proportion are hive worlds and what are feudal agri-worlds

[bronze tinsel]

finding figures in this universe is a pain -_-

[winged jacinth]

i think the imperial population is counted in the quintillions?

yeah its not a scalers universe lol

dont look at any of the physics numbers lol

[paper haven]

Think of a number that sounds ridiculous and add a few zeros.

[bronze tinsel]

There are 100 people c:

[winged jacinth]

they changed the units of lasgun energy but they used to fire a laser pulse powerful enough to heat a surface hot enough for fusion

[bronze tinsel]

total, that’s ridiculous right?

[winged jacinth]

they had to change megajoules to megathoules

a lasgun power pack had 11 times the energy of the capacitor bank at NIF

[paper haven]

... Damn it

[bronze tinsel]

Lasgun power seems inconsistent between books, videogames, and TT, and in all three depending on the writer can be strong enough to blow people’s limbs off and wreck structures, or they barely can do damage to like, a regular person...

[winged jacinth]

yeah lmao

[bronze tinsel]

even the strength of weapons is inconsistent as hell

[winged jacinth]

one of the most inconsistent things in the setting, mostly because they show lasguns so often

[bronze tinsel]

Fair enough lol

[winged jacinth]

they either are flashlights or can blow the head off a space marine in armor

or anywhere in between

[bronze tinsel]

yeah it’s actually kinda funny like that though

[winged jacinth]

and the OG physics numbers would have the target space marine and the entire space between them turned into pure plasma

[green loom]

It's hard finding them because they don't exist

Wider 40k lore lives and breathes vague flavour text

[raven stone]

I think it was a deliberate writing decision back in the old days

When 40k was just “Fanatsy but set in space!”

But then of course it got the sci fi label instead, because of the space association

And then the hard number science demands for things came along. For better or worse.

[arctic talon]

GW has given up on giving hard numbers in codexes and supplements generally

Which is prolly a good thing

[rocky gale]

Yea the Pious Vorne model is now being released as a default Priest for the Sororitas

Also wow, that is genuinly the most depressing Battleforce picture I've seen

[queen laurel]

the AOS Treatment huh

turning a character into a generic model

[rocky gale]

Well she was only a character in Blackstone Fortress

This is the first solo release for the model

[queen laurel]

So I'm just guessing here she barely had a character

[rocky gale]

No clue

Never played Blackstone Fortress

[queen laurel]

Well I'm not complaining the model looks sick

chainsaw flamethrower thing

[rocky gale]

Yea I only know about it because it's a cool model

Just a very dissapointing Hot Sororitas Summer

Not even a mention of when the Vahl book is coming

[queen laurel]

i'm just waiting for that free Battletome: Bonesplitterz

[arctic talon]

She's the most boring of the BSF adventurers

she pretty much just follows Taedus around

and she's a former ganger

[queen laurel]

So i was right

[arctic talon]

yeah

she's by far the most boring

of them

she does lore wise stick around until the end

unlike uh

[queen laurel]

Ohh yeah wolf they said this when dicontinuing the savage boys

[arctic talon]

a solid chunk of the party lol

[queen laurel]

where do I find this stuff

like the free downloads

[arctic talon]

not out yet but should be here https://www.warhammer-community.com/warhammer-age-of-sigmar-downloads/

when it comes out

[queen laurel]

Aight thanks

shame they got kicked but they are old

like really old

so it's understandable

[green loom]

They've done this with BSF once or twice I think

I know the Guard psyker is a BSF model

[rocky gale]

Yea

[queen laurel]

oh really

that's neat

[arctic talon]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/06/02/sunday-preview-fire-and-faith-light-up-the-new-season-of-warhammer-40000/

They're reprinting books

[rose thorn]

They don’t want you to know this, but this box comes with 10 more models of neophytes, the trucks come with 5 extra guys each one of them is missing legs and the other is missing feet

[storm jungle]

Lmfao

[queen laurel]

GW moment

[rose thorn]

Someone suggested using the old guardsmen legs to replace the messed up legs

Since they’re penny on the dollars arm

Atm

And you get More then enough arms and heads

[dusk patrol]

If it’s a fucked up model you can contact support and they’ll generally send replacements

[celest dome]

+you can use them for Broodbrother regiment

[green loom]

Alright I'm listening to the Rogue trader song Miracle of Sound made

I think it needs a louder guitar

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think they asked your opinion cur!

Abelard, beat this man for sharing their opinion unprompted.

[snow fern]

Abelard, smack his balls with a thunder hammer