40k-lore-chat

[outer wave]

Haha trolled get it?

Don't worry I'm just 🤓

[crystal forum]

pay the troll toll

[queen laurel]

but yeah there were even lava trolls

Lava Trolls - Lava Trolls are only a briefly mentioned breed that lives within magma caverns deep beneath the Dark Lands. Chaos Dwarfs have been known to use massive harpoon-guns to take down these beasts, as they are the only known Troll breed able to endure the effects of fire, which is a Troll's one true weakness.[7b]

[outer wave]

That's insane, honestly how did they not win the end times

[queen laurel]

Chaos has a lot of fire

and lava trolls are considered a breed of chaos troll

[outer wave]

Ahh

[queen laurel]

Yeah that's why often trolls are balanced with them being so ******* stupid you can fool them

[crystal forum]

do they make you pay the troll toll

[queen laurel]

if they're smarter than you maybe

[crystal forum]

are you calling me dumb

[queen laurel]

am i?

[outer wave]

I'm sure a couple of them can get uppity and try something. I know there were trolls that did that before they became the first bile trolls

[crystal forum]

if iron hands guy was here he'd say yes

[queen laurel]

yeah they're basically all brawn no brain it's even one of the things that makes them different in the table top RPG

they have one in mind and soul but 5 in body

which means that physically they can demolish everything but when it comes to doing anything else

they're about as sharp as a blunt machete

[outer wave]

I love his quote, he sounds so happy :)

[dusk patrol]

He’s not, he’s actually quite depressed

He just hides it well

[queen laurel]

and hey if that doesn't work i guess you can also get the river troll which is apparently a bit smarter and can projectile vomit something so disgusting it melts metal

[outer wave]

Are they like river hags from Fantasy at all?

[outer wave]

Noooooo.....

[dusk patrol]

I think the fantasy ones are smarter typically

[queen laurel]

they're basically the same species of river troll yeah

but troll hags are smarter

[outer wave]

Gotcha gotcha

[crystal forum]

rotting fish heads

these things are swedish

[outer wave]

Shoulda known

[dusk patrol]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surströmming

[queen laurel]

That's

huh

i'm honestly a bit speechless i'm going to be honest

[dusk patrol]

Iirc it originated from times when fishing villages would have massive pods of herring pass by

Where they had a huge surplus of fish caught

And couldn’t even salt it all

So they just buried it and let it ferment and uh

Yeah

Then being humans they got a taste for that type of fish and now it’s a thing

[queen laurel]

i mean cuisines from around the world isn't really surprising to me but sometimes these things can still clap you with surprising amount of force

[dusk patrol]

It’s typically prepared with a lot of extra stuff but yeah it smells exactly how you’d think

[queen laurel]

Probably similar to rotting fermented fish

[outer wave]

I wonder if it tastes okay though

[crystal forum]

youtubers opening these things dont get that you're supposed to do it in a container of water away from the eating area

apparently it doesnt taste bad

[dusk patrol]

Generally it’s prepared with a lot of stuff and it’s not too bad from what I’ve heard

But yeah the meme thing is open it in a enclosed room and try it raw

[snow fern]

British cuisine scares me

You conquer almost the entire world and you don't season damn anything

[tough haven]

Power move

wages wars for spices

doesnt even use them

[celest dome]

I've spent a day with an absolute Dune fan and atm I can't think of anything else when I hear spice

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-dune-part-2-stilgar-fremen-disbelief-gif-12317631084823747336

This meme is my favorite one to come out of the movie

[celest dome]

The most fun is that we were going to a Concert, that person and a friend of his are collegues of my dad, and he was very knowledgeable about Dune
But had only just started to read the source material

[winter vessel]

Stilgar was the best hype man I've seen in a while when it comes to movies.

[dusk patrol]

He’s great

[burnt maple]

Such food, along with famous chinese century egg is NOT meant to be eaten by itself. Because by lonesome, the taste can be invasive.

BUT. Paired with side dish of whatever the locals tell you it works with may turn unspeakable into a curious treat.

So all the youtubers trying either of those and retching in disgust are correct.
.BECAUSE THRY EAT IT THE WRONG WAY.

[viral halo]

Why didn't they just make hot pockets....are they stupid?

[snow fern]

I was introduced to Spore before Dune so I was very confused on why they called the main resource Spice of all things, thought they just liked cooking.

[celest dome]

I feel stupid now

I had never done the link

[snow fern]

Me looking at sci-fi: wtf, it’s all just Dune references.

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/ajcMDcWha3c?si=kA_z60iQgiSdNxYZ

[celest dome]

Dune and Asimov
For pure fantasy it's LotR and Moorkock

[green loom]

Also damn

[celest dome]

I've been thinking
Sylvaneth kitbashed into GSC

Would be quite expensive though

[outer wave]

I wouldn't mind trying century egg at some point, but I wonder what it pairs well with

[snow fern]

Sounds like the classic is in a Congee

Aparently it's pedestrian food

[outer wave]

Hmm

[burnt maple]

Tofu.

[thorn zenith]

We do have a kind of fermented fish paste from where i was from

Apparently it smells atrocious, but it has been so long i have completely forgotten what it smells and tastes like

[arctic talon]

congee, tofu, if you want to eat them on their own add black vinegar

I quite like them stirfried with vegtables

[wraith quartz]

Fellas, I got some bad news 😞😞

[storm jungle]

[wraith quartz]

I'm being put on trial.... 😔

Not irl

This is a conversation starter

[storm jungle]

lmao

what is it

[outer wave]

Oh cool

One day I'll have some and keep this all in mind

Maybe one day anyway

[wraith quartz]

Soooo, long story short....

I was almost done with my extended shift at consignment yard Hl 54-67, cause some dumbass went and died on the job and caused lot problems before that, and I was promptly summoned by the factorum foreman that was designated on that site.

Me and some other blokes were summoned to the maintenance subsection of the yard, and foreman proceeded to chew us out for onset delays of the scheduled train car repairs...

Mainly it's not my fault for the given damage of the carts that are not what was described in the repair forum, so some cars needed a more "intrinsic" repairs from total use and abuse they've been receiving.

So the foreman goes, "You sorry sack of Grox #### are so incompetent, that you can't simply reweld the box frame back onto the chassis?"

[storm jungle]

[wraith quartz]

I "respectfully" spoke out and stated that the chassis main structure for most of these carts had a compromised conductive center plate and that it'll give out and completely break the axle within a couple shipments.

Then the foreman got "PISSED"

He dismissed the other blokes and really started to grill me calling me an "incompetent twit", a "that'll he'll have me hide for causing all these delays and such..."

It went on for like twenty minutes or so...

Sorry I lost my train of thought it's happening all so fast...

Right...

So I tried to reassure him that though the repair was timely and extensive, the structural integrity significantly improved with whatever parameters it was set...

But he didn't really care about that part...

And said that he'll "have my employment "termination" set within the next hour"

In a last desperate attempt, I "convinced",(bribery ), him to not to be so hasty on that decision and that he should think a little bit more about it...

Anyway about 48 hrs later while on shift a couple enforcers "escorted*" me for "questioning".

So now I'm under suspicion for the disappearance of the foreman....

Well the story was longer than I intended to be...

---> for those that are TL;DR <------
I was last seen with the foreman and is now put under the suspicion of murder and possibly Heresy....

[outer wave]

Ngl that first message almost got me

I almost thought you got into an incident at your job

I mean, you are but like wow

[wraith quartz]

I'm in like a prison rn I think, awaiting trail...

But the question is, how does Law and Order work? Who orchestrates the law? (Like a judge or law maker) Who enforces the law? What happens to the guilty? (Outside the obviousherp pe derr death innocence means nothing herp de derr)

[outer wave]

Uhh Arbites are the ones that are basically police officers, so if they're trying to do a fair trial and shit, its likely a kangaroo court

[wraith quartz]

Hmmm

[outer wave]

I know very little of the Arbites

[wraith quartz]

[outer wave]

This is also assuming they just dont shoot the guy on the spot

[wraith quartz]

Presume that it's under the terms of "capture alive"

[outer wave]

Yeah probably some sort of kangaroo court would be my guess

[prime kernel]

Arbites dont really care about plebs. And even if you got arrested youl likely die before its your turn to stand trail.

[wraith quartz]

Mmm hmm

[outer wave]

True, Arbites arent exactly the best at governing the poorer districts

[wraith quartz]

But for those who survive arrest and make it too trial. How does the court order go? Is there a "Judge"

It's fine if you don't have an exact answer for it...

Next question....
What happens to those that get a fate worse than death??

[prime kernel]

you become a servitor.

[thorn zenith]

Or a servo skull

[wraith quartz]

Is there other sentences outside of "involuntary worker" or flying skull

[dusk patrol]

They kick you in the balls

[thorn zenith]

No eternal its a punishment not your kink

[thorn zenith]

Honestly there might be torture as penance, be assigned to penal colony, become an flagellant, and so on

[wraith quartz]

Da heck is a penal colony??

[tough haven]

Kinda what it sounds like, a colony that’s mostly made up of prisoners, forced labor camps, sent to penal legions, etc

[wraith quartz]

Can they also be used as Cannon fodder??

[dusk patrol]

Yes and often are

You even get a nifty necklace.

[wraith quartz]

While most are obviously made to be OBLITERATED has there been any penal fighters (or whatever they're called) that earn back their freedom/loyalty?

[dusk patrol]

Last Chancers

Salvar Chemdogs

[wraith quartz]

Ah

Ok, let's go back to let's say in a hive city (any of your particular choosing), and you (the nice folks answering my questions) are a hive ganger and the enforces pulled a sting operation and captured you alive. Where would they hold you for imprisonment/interrogation?

....

....

Right I'll put a pin on that later...

I do have a question outside of law and order. That didn't really get much of an answer of....

[thorn zenith]

I mean, there ARE jail blocks in enforcer stations that we go through in darktide

[wraith quartz]

Ahh

[thorn zenith]

We have a little jail possibly as drunk tank and temporary detaining at the start of a hab block investigation mission just below the first blast door

[wraith quartz]

Ooohhh

[thorn zenith]

And there is an entire prison complex at the boss fight where you go through abandoned enforcer station

And a small interrogation nook by a station thing tileset right before the train station terminus

[wraith quartz]

Ok

So about my other question...

Given most citizens are not nobles or someone of higher importance. Let's say someone has a sense of decency when finding my corpse and try to honor it some way. Is there like funeral rites or something of a graveyard/mausoleum?

[crystal forum]

penal battalions are peak 40k

you can tell the concept came directly from rogue trader edition

[crystal forum]

there's entire worlds dedicated to being graveyards but it's not that common. if you're worth anything to the imperium you might be entombed somewhere nice or if you're really popular your corpse might be sold to rich nobles in pieces as souvenirs lol

[wraith quartz]

Are there other methods besides burials, like cremation or something...

[crystal forum]

i think navy officers are just sent in space coffins?

that or they're burned in the ship's reactor. i dont remember

the imperium likes honouring the dead by putting their bodies in places of worship

usually at least

[wraith quartz]

Hmmm

[green loom]

Ship crews are fed to the engine

[rocky gale]

So the engines get to eat a few crewmembers as a treat

[wraith quartz]

Hmm

Ok

[rocky gale]

Of course the new Votann Killteam get special rules for 40k

https://tenor.com/view/rage-gif-26438788

Why didn't the Drukhari

[crystal forum]

drukhari are lame that's why

i want to hear about the depths of depravity that humanity sinks to not some yee yee ass space elves

[rocky gale]

[wraith quartz]

Right....
So I'm getting dragged to my trial rn, if you don't hear from me....
@thorn zenith gets the first clue to my secret aquilla stash, and the rest of ya can prolly kill each other for I own that isn't nailed down to the ground...

Byyyyyyyyyeeeeeee

[crystal forum]

dibs on the toenails

i need more for my collection

[tough haven]

Nurgle worship?

[thorn zenith]

Either nurgle or slaanesh

Im gonna go with slaanesh

[rocky gale]

Only if you have an excess of toenails

[crystal forum]

you're very comedic today

made me laugh twice, wow

[tough haven]

More than the ones on your feet is an excess of toenails

[versed ledge]

So these are the new space dwarves? I thought they'd be shorter

And more burly

[wooden ridge]

I am wondering what would happen if a chainsword wielder and a power sword wielder clashed?

Would the power sword just go through the chainsword like nothing?

Does it mean that you can't block or parry it unless you also have a power sword?

[celest dome]

Yup

[dusk patrol]

Depends on the chain weapon

And the power weapon

Marine ones typically can take a bit of it before breaking, and some of the best chain weapons can easily class with a power weapon

But 1:1 the power weapon will destroy it yes

At least eventually

[queen laurel]

yeah eviscerators for example have a weak power field like power weapons

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

There’s also stuff like space wolf chain weapons made from kraken teeth

Daemon weapons, and so on

Basically every primarch chain weapon is an example of this too

[wooden ridge]

Good to know, thanks for the answers

[dusk patrol]

Gorechild

[queen laurel]

yeah heavily modified chain weapons often have some way to imitate power fields

to increase cutting power

[dusk patrol]

Or they’re just literally built different

[queen laurel]

yeah spine grinder doesn't really care if it has a power field or not if it is blessed by the God of War

[dusk patrol]

Dorn and the Lions chain weapons similarly don’t either and they still do absolutely fine against similarly nuts primarch weapons

[arctic talon]

unless the chain weapon has a power field or has some special properties the chain sword go die

[dusk patrol]

Funnily enough both of them got them before they made contact with the Imperium

[arctic talon]

very special chainsweapons

are always funny

[dusk patrol]

For some reason people just left a massive fucking chainsword on Caliban

[arctic talon]

its a prop

/j

[dusk patrol]

For Dorn iirc the people of Inwit made it for him

[arctic talon]

I'd assume it was used by some like

[dusk patrol]

But that’s impossible

[arctic talon]

DAOT like

big person

[dusk patrol]

Since Inwit would have to exist for them to do that

[thorn zenith]

absolute busted primarch weapons before imperium would have to be either daot heirloom or mystical weapon, but after imperium it just makes sense because you do not give THE SONS OF THE EMPEROR a normal lasgun

[vernal sedge]

Do SM even use las weapons? On foot

[rocky gale]

Yes

The Eliminator Squads use Las Fusils

[shadow plover]

Devastators are still around

[rocky gale]

Also Lascannons

[storm jungle]

They generally dont have specialized las weapons otherwise for marketing reasons among other things yeah

the bolter is more of their posterboy weapon

[queen laurel]

More often than not the diverse customization options it has allows it to be very useful in just about every scenario

[near wasp]

One of mu coworkers has been playing some 40k games and now hes learning the lore.

[tough haven]

Poor soul

[outer wave]

https://tenor.com/view/spawn-hell-hurl-through-hell-fall-to-hell-fire-gif-17250068

His friend right now

[queen laurel]

To be subjected to such torment

I cannot imagine

[near wasp]

Hes a fan of the grey knights and deathwatch

[queen laurel]

Oh no oh no

[outer wave]

Can you inject some Ogryn propaganda into his research?

[queen laurel]

is he a reasonable person

[near wasp]

You good boss?

[queen laurel]

yeah i just missed type of bit don't worry about it

i'm stupid you don't have to worry about that so anyway is he reasonable

[near wasp]

And yeah he is.

[queen laurel]

Good good

Make sure whatever you do he doesn't get exposed to the more annoying people if you catch my drifting tank

[near wasp]

He already knows about the darker side of the community

[queen laurel]

well shit

This guy is sounding better and better by the second

[near wasp]

Yeah he was asking me about book suggestions xD dude was almost gonna just jump feet first into the horus heresey

[outer wave]

Oh lord

[queen laurel]

your a good friend for saving him

just give him like the suggestions in the server that should help him

[near wasp]

I did

I also might slide him my copy of infinite and divine

[storm jungle]

bro im talking with my friends about how everyone talks about the Infinite and the Divine and how popular it is

then i come in to this chat and see this shit

[arctic talon]

It spreads like a mind virus

[queen laurel]

get divined bozo

[near wasp]

[storm jungle]

[wraith quartz]

Hey, sidenote: In terms of equipment and war machines, what does the Militarum use in terms of Arial combat?

[green loom]

Slingshots

[outer wave]

Rocks

Buzzer swarms

[wraith quartz]

If the enemy has a fighter jet of their own... Do we also have something of a fighter jet of our own??

[outer wave]

No we got Wright Brothers-style airplanes

[wraith quartz]

Hmmm

What about the Valkyrie that we see in-game?

[arctic talon]

Militarum uses stuff like valkyries at most

All of their aircraft are transports

or its the weird gunship

[wraith quartz]

Hmm

[arctic talon]

the uh vulture

[wraith quartz]

Ok

[arctic talon]

if the Guard want proper aerial support the navy has to provide it

[orchid lark]

ariel

[wraith quartz]

Ooh

[arctic talon]

hush smh

[orchid lark]

jets and bombers are Imperial Navy territory

[arctic talon]

yeah

[wraith quartz]

So the navy has the better flying war machines

[arctic talon]

the Aeronautica Imperialis is what the division is called

yes the navy has access to all the actual in atmo fighters

[orchid lark]

Some planes are meant for in atmosphere flights, some are for void only, but Im pretty sure they have dual purpose ones too

[wraith quartz]

Ah

[arctic talon]

Technically all the navy's flyers can operate in space

but also they're so small they wouldn't be impactful arguably

[orchid lark]

gotta gear it for that reentry dont they

[arctic talon]

yeah

but it can operate in space is just more so what I meant

[orchid lark]

yeah 40k at least does keep some sense that space battles are done across hundreds of kilometers away

[arctic talon]

the 2 main like fighter jets of the imperial navy

fighters ig?

[orchid lark]

isnt the top one a bomber too?

like it can be specced for it

[wraith quartz]

Hey between the Navy and the Militarum, what terms of slang do they refer to each other???

[arctic talon]

yeah its a heavy fighter

or whatever

[orchid lark]

dont know if there are terms between them that they call each other, I feel like most writers forget that Imperial Navy exists lmao

[arctic talon]

the navy doesn't exist unless the author remembers

then they just get called the funny word

[orchid lark]

voidsmen

[wraith quartz]

Hmmm

[orchid lark]

yeah I a voids men

Admirals in the Navy tend to have the highest authority for defence, I think

[arctic talon]

the scale of Space combat in 40k is silly tbh

shit like the Manta being classified as a Fighter Bomber

[orchid lark]

Sector Admirals are some of the tippy top ranks one can get

[wraith quartz]

Right
Second sidenote:
Given the Militarum and the Navy use conscription/enlistment. There's gotta be some sort of boot camp or training regiment to make "fine quality" soldiers.

[orchid lark]

yeah, its their own homeworlds conditions

and their upbringing that already make them fine quality

[wraith quartz]

Oohh

[orchid lark]

Mordians exclusively pull from their gangs, and the surviving gang members are inducted into the new regiments

[arctic talon]

There's also how some regiments are drawn from the best of the PDF

on worlds

[orchid lark]

mordians dont pull no punches too, so all previous rivalries are quashed immediately

[arctic talon]

I.E Armageddon

[orchid lark]

Some are ingrained from their culture

Cadians

and Catachans

they are born to fight and kill

[orchid lark]

a good portion of training for some regiments are done on the massive ships theyre in

during warp travel, they do drills and training inside the ship, cause what else are you supposed to do

[wraith quartz]

Probably not get butt ### by whatever monstrosity that joins the trip into wrap travel....

[orchid lark]

gellar field failures are a thing, but not often as one would kinda think

[wraith quartz]

Hmm, mmmh

One last thing

[orchid lark]

Im very partial to 40k Mechanized Regiments

love those regiments

got everything you want

Infantry, APCs, and the occassional Tank Line, and maybe one Baneblade.

[wraith quartz]

In terms of the navy what would a light Ariel bomber jet look like? For like bombing runs and such.

[orchid lark]

I dont think 40k has light aircraft as dedicated bombers

they just have big plane as bomber, the Marauder Bomber aircraft

which needs to be escorted

[wraith quartz]

Ah, ok

[orchid lark]

usually

the Thunderbolts are used for everything you want

it can be outfitted for skirmishes, bombing runs, escorts and what not

same applies for like Space Marine Thunderhawks

[wraith quartz]

Mmmh

Ok thanks

[orchid lark]

ah Avenger light attack craft my love

one day you'll return

[young pecan]

I wish they would let there be Mechanicus psykers

They would be too strong 💪

[snow fern]

I mean if they ever decide to develop the, more and more humans are being born as psykers every year subplot it'll get kinda hard to ignore. ||That's a lie, GW is great at ignoring things when convenient||

[dusk patrol]

There are Mechanicus psykers

It’s a plot point in one of the new stories

[river walrus]

Yeah... IF THEY WANNA FORGET PLOT POINTS THEN DONT MAKE EM

[arctic talon]

Tbf psychic awakening isn’t forgotten

We’ve had some stuff set in the era

[snow fern]

Were the Eldar always psykers, or was their psychic awakening so far long ago not even the eldest of their kind remember those days?

[arctic talon]

as far as we know the Eldar were always psykers

but eldar history that far back is

pretty vague

[snow fern]

Damn the last book in Psychic Awakening was 2020

[arctic talon]

those are the campaign books. The most recent book in the era is the IG psyker one

Psychic awakening was a set of campaign books and is the current furthest point in the timeline

[snow fern]

Campaign books? oh I thought they were book books

[arctic talon]

its near the very end of the Indomitus crusade

timeline wise generally

[snow fern]

Ritual of the Damned seems the most interesting, but I enjoy Magnus' shenenigans so

[arctic talon]

though some of the stuff in those books got retconned

to be earlier in history

[arctic talon]

it contains the infamous magnus victory lap into deus ex machina via khorne

[snow fern]

Khorne helping sorcerers, weird af

[arctic talon]

No, magnus got fucked, by khorne

via the funny axe logan grimnar has

[snow fern]

Judging by some of Ulfar's dialogue in the RT game, you'd think there'd be a larger problem of khornite traitor wolves

especially with the whole, consorting with spirits thing

Oh he uses an ax he stole from a Chaos Champion wtf Logan you moron

Didn't papa Leman tell you not to touch the chaos stuff

[arctic talon]

its purified

smh

[lunar harness]

I love ulfar so much, one of the best written characters

unfortunately hes incredibly buggy and one of the weakest tema members

[sacred ginkgo]

He’s cool but like

So buggy

Also Argenta does his job better

[snow fern]

Why is he so flimsy, he can't use cover wtf he not tougher

Gave him a heavy stubber tho, that was fun to watch

[sacred ginkgo]

I need to restart my traitor run

[snow fern]

You may wait on the dlc release, I have a heavy suspicion that the Death Cult Assassin can be tempted to chaos, as they tend too

[sacred ginkgo]

I’m not far enough in to be a problem so I want to restart tot get the buffed rewards for destroying the shrine world

[snow fern]

Khorne or Slannesh, who the hell knows, martial profectionism vs bloodletting for bloodletting's sake

[sacred ginkgo]

To bad we prefer the bird

[snow fern]

I banished the chicken in 1 turn, get fucking alpha striked nerd

[sacred ginkgo]

Nowhere near

They took me ages

And holy fuck was that fight laggy as shit

[snow fern]

Act 4 is a lot better than it was, hopefully even more so after the next patch

[sacred ginkgo]

Do you know the difference between killing the bird or serving it

[snow fern]

No, haven't done a heretical run

[sacred ginkgo]

I want to do my run with the halo device though

Just lean in

[snow fern]

Life's short, go crazy, I get it

[sacred ginkgo]

No, my traders life will be exceedingly long and painful

[lunar harness]

he also cant use almost any equipment in the game

its like, hes supposed to be special because hes big and use power armor

and they were like

that would be OP

so they made him weaker than a normal human even when wearing full power armor xD

meanwhile my heinrix has 400% dodge and parry and reactive shooting and 4 parrys stacking so he 1 shots anyone who attacks him

[arctic talon]

they buffed him

iirc

[dusky scroll]

How much power do commissars have? Like, at what point of power use/abuse, they get court marshalled? Also, who does the court marshall-ing for them?

[arctic talon]

They get court marshelled by being fragged

[lunar harness]

You will have to check the 6000 page manual on the proper conduct of a commissar, available at your local schola progenium.

[arctic talon]

Comissars technically can kill whoever they please, but very few are stupid enough to actually do that

[lunar harness]

Otherwise, up to the writer. 🙂

[arctic talon]

^also this

[green loom]

I imagine if there's a judicial process it'd likely be done by the Comissariat

[dusky scroll]

By whom?

[arctic talon]

By the guard

A comissar who pisses off everyone around them ends up with a fatal case of ork sniperitis

[green loom]

Pop goes the Schlommissar

[dusky scroll]

So... they have full control over the unit of guardsmen they command. How do the Imperium/whoever in higher command ensure they stay faithful or ensure they consider the betterment of imperium? How do they ensure someone is meritorious enough to become a commissar?

[green loom]

Schola Progenium

[arctic talon]

Comissars exclusively come from the schola progenium. Which means they pretty much get brainwashed and abused from since they’re a kid to an adult

Comissars very rarely go traitor

[green loom]

The average commissar is probably not comparable to a normal person/conscript

[arctic talon]

The average comissar is utterly deranged

And would make a tempestus scion look like a calm and rational person

[green loom]

You have rare cases like Cain

[arctic talon]

Cain is surprisingly well adjusted

we have all 3 flavors of comissar in books

Cain, Gaunt and Raine all fulfill one of the usual stereotypes

[dusky scroll]

The guy who banged a snaalesh demon, an inquisitor, and a governor?

[arctic talon]

LOL

[dusky scroll]

How about Yarrick?

[arctic talon]

Cain is an example of a Comissar who's a well adjusted and rational human being

Yarrick falls into the stereotypical comissar archetype of literal psycopath with a tiny shred of empathy

Gaunt is a "comissar"

he's more of just an officer then an actual comissar

[dusky scroll]

Heard he has a fanbase among the Orcs

[arctic talon]

Severina Raine also falls into the same sterotype of Yarrick but turn up the general psycho behavior more

but isn't overly obsessed with a single thing(orks)

[green loom]

Yarrick would probably be similar but he has Orks to hate

[arctic talon]

Yarrick also hasn't blown a company commanders head off before

[dusky scroll]

Considering how commissars are portrayed (at least in the artworks) leading the charge battlefield, don't they targeted by more intelligent enemies? Like Tao or Eldars

[arctic talon]

Yes

Tau and eldar usually kill them first

but that just comes with the job lol

[dusky scroll]

So units have backup commissars sitting on the bench?

[arctic talon]

Depends

comissars aren't always at the front

[dusky scroll]

Or guardsmen just follows their default instruction, "shoot in general direction"?

[arctic talon]

when its necessary they will be

well comissars aren't officers

well normal officers

[green loom]

They have authority but they're not traditionally battlefield leaders

[arctic talon]

^

when they're on the battlefield it means shit has hit the fan in some way

and their presence is necessary for inspiration

[crystal forum]

bro

i feel cheated

i feel outright clowned

you've got to be kidding me

WHY CAN I KEEP PLAYING THE GAME

IT'S TAUNTING ME

[arctic talon]

chaos or imperial, pick one

you get one guess

[soft thunder]

so I haven't really thought about Ogryn getting the Bone 'ead implant as a sinister thing until reading the latest class bundle. Seems pretty obvious this is sinister and a way to clamp down on a smarter-than-average Ogryn leading an uprising, right? Anyone got info related to the topic?

[arctic talon]

Smarter then average ogryn usually end up being killed in Munda

so I'd assume it happens on other worlds

[radiant lance]

omg me

[arctic talon]

bruh

[radiant lance]

bro

[wanton stag]

due to the lack of spikes imperial

[arctic talon]

Correct

[wanton stag]

only such barbaric beings would use skulls for deco- nevermind

[river walrus]

What skull? Head empty

[soft thunder]

So those who know of Battlefleet or warhammer ship-stuff, does the Mourningstar have any powerful lances equipped? I'm not sure what some materials mean by lances exactly and not sure if they take the form of that giant underslung laser cannon on the prow and wings, or if the smaller batteries on the side can also be lances.
tldr; What guns do you see on the Mourningstar?

[arctic talon]

It has no lance battery, or forward mounted lance I see macro batteries and torpedo tubes

Lance batteries look like this

[soft thunder]

So the side turret things are the macro batteries then

[arctic talon]

Yeah

If it had a prow mounted lance it would look something like this

Brahms firestorm is modified

Since it’s lacking the prow mounted lance and has torpedo tubes

[soft thunder]

Ya that's what I was thinking, no lance or ramming dingus. So that sword has a lance battery on the top of prow too?

[arctic talon]

It’s a light macro battery

The firestorm is the only escort that has a lance

The lance is the big cannon

The longer I look at brahm’s ship the more cursed it gets

I do not like this

I have now come to the conclusion it is either a super heavily modified firestorm, it’s a custom built ship or it’s some unnamed type of ship

[soft thunder]

I think there are 2 sources specifying it's a firestorm variant

[arctic talon]

Okay so it’s just heavily modified

It’s had the top macro battery stripped off and has 6 torpedo tubes.

6 torpedo tubes is also horrifying on a ship this small

[soft thunder]

Oh, why is that?

[arctic talon]

Because that’s fire power that’s on the level of grand or battle cruisers lol

The mourningstar would absolutely shred any large ship that’s slow to maneuver

[soft thunder]

it also has some kind of underslung dingus weaponry

that a lance?

[arctic talon]

Oh wtf

That

Kind of looks like one

That might be a really weird lance

do you have any other angels?

[soft thunder]

Brahms packing heat is noted though

Nah that's the only portfolio image of it

[arctic talon]

I’d assume it’s a really weird lance

It looks the part

[soft thunder]

That single under-lance doesn't seem to be in the puppetworks trailers.

or Rejects will Rise trailer, I don't think

Maybe it was cut

regardless of what might be a lance, it still has exceptional firepower?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Just because of the torpedos

[soft thunder]

Also, are Thunderbolt fighters very significant? I see they are mentioned a few times and I assume these are probably in service to Brahms as well. https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Thunderbolt

[arctic talon]

Thunderbolts/lightings are an in atmosphere fighter. The mourning star most likely has some onboard

Assuming brahm’s dynasty hasn’t fallen on hard times

There’s prolly a lot of dif types of in atmosphere ships

[rocky gale]

Imperial, those are Duskhounds

[thorn zenith]

We should get a ship based tileset

Like the intro

[nocturne crest]

So odd question, but after seeing some space marine vehicles in Death company colours from GW, does that mean they let blood angels who have fallen to the black rage drive or pilot vehicles?

[dusk patrol]

I believe they’re driven by normal marines and are mostly for deployment

It’s worth noting though that Death Company aren’t completely incapable of doing stuff like that

They still operate as marines fine they just heavily favor melee and obviously see everything as taking place on Terra

[green loom]

They're deluded, not incapable

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it’s also why a death company marine who was a champion or whatever is more dangerous

Since they’re using the skills they had still

And in general it’s what makes them dangerous and comparable to why Khornate Berserkers are dangerous

[vast crystal]

Would a necromorph be under the domain of nurgle or khorn?

[rocky gale]

Neither

[storm jungle]

^

Necromorphs work as more of their own cthulu-esque thing

[rocky gale]

Yea Necromorphs are extensions of the Brethren Moons, the way a regular Gaunt is an extension of the Tyranid Hivemind

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much.

[rocky gale]

So if they were in 40k they'd be unknown elder evil/warp entity stuff rather than any specific God

[storm jungle]

This yeah.

the brethren moon we do know that are actively sentient and evil tho, since the necromorphs types they make are made to be as killy as possible.

hence the suicide-bomb fetuses from Dead Space 2

lol

[low locust]

I need to do a new playthrough ofDeadspace 2 again. Damn i love tht game, thanks!

[storm jungle]

Same

fucking peak game right there

[rocky gale]

The scene where the woman hallucinates and thinks it's her baby 💀

[storm jungle]

bro the entire school section

the teacher notes mentioning how every kid has an imaginary friend now

christ 💀

[low locust]

Aye even when I know more or less what's going to happen, its still chilling

[storm jungle]

^

[shadow plover]

When DS2 came out the first hour was too much for me and never continued it

never was good with horror games

[storm jungle]

YEP. Same.

[orchid lark]

Dead Space 2 was a neat game

DS1 was too scary for me

[shadow plover]

Did play through 3 because it was a lot less scary

[orchid lark]

DS2 is nice enough tho

[storm jungle]

DS2 is real good but more like Aliens

DS1 is more Alien

prob the best comparison the fandom uses most of the time

[orchid lark]

Wheres ron Perlman

[storm jungle]

hes in the spin-off

[orchid lark]

Dead Space and Lost Planet collab

AkridVsNecromorphs

[storm jungle]

But also yeah theres a reason necromorphs are probably one of the best horror monsters in fiction

[orchid lark]

Its unbeatable

[storm jungle]

their idea is so simple but they are just scary

[orchid lark]

Necromorphs and the brethern moons scare me cause how they seem so inevitable

[shadow plover]

hence I tried painting the Leviathan box tyranids with necromorph like skin over the carapace but proved a bit too bothersome after one test model

[storm jungle]

Yeah that is way too much work lmao

[shadow plover]

also hard to do a skin that looks like that

[orchid lark]

I dont like the idea of a future where the undead are just inevitable

[storm jungle]

It helps that after Dead Space 1 the devs said after seeing the success of the game they instantly went to creating the lore for them before dead space 2 even started

and we still dont know where they are from

[orchid lark]

Scawy

[storm jungle]

the entire thing with Markers and other shit is super intricate

i remember being younger and not understanding anything

but still finding it spooky

[orchid lark]

Its like Iron Lung

That movie thats coming out

[shadow plover]

man this was a year ago already

[storm jungle]

man that is ugly in the best way

just bone-flesh

[orchid lark]

Thats me after I stub my toe

[storm jungle]

[orchid lark]

I used to be scared about the reapers

But since they can die

I fear them no longer

[rocky gale]

Yea Reapers are one of the things which kinda got ruined by explaining them

[orchid lark]

I liked their explanation somewhat

But it ultimately wasnt as awesome as one would think they are

[rocky gale]

I felt the explanation lessened what they were

[orchid lark]

The Leviathans needed to do a butlerian Jihad

Without the Reapers we wouldnt have our hero

[rocky gale]

Like they were hyped up as an inevitable immutable threat and then we're told "Yea it's an AI that misunderstood it's orders"

[orchid lark]

Marauder Shields

[storm jungle]

yeah i think the same applies to Necromorphs, we know just enough about them but minus their origin iirc

[rocky gale]

I also feel like the Reapers didn't need to be explained

[orchid lark]

Necromorph origins be like, oh the Markers are actually intelligent computers using human neural computing

Its just Ai gone rogue but different

[shadow plover]

just wait until EA starts feeling peckish for some new DS and they'll explain how necromorphs were created by a precursor human race

[orchid lark]

Adam and Eve were from the first Markers

[storm jungle]

PLEASE

NO MORE PRECURSOR RACE TROPE

[orchid lark]

How about…the Red Son Trope…

[storm jungle]

Though yeah we really literally just know nothing

[orchid lark]

The Markers are living Paradoxes

[storm jungle]

aside from the Moons sending markers to planets iirc

and preparing that race for consumption

[green loom]

Markers are the element of a time loop

[storm jungle]

ala GSC

tho just uh, more masochistic lol

[rocky gale]

It's actually Adam and Lilith and one of them is on the moon or something....

[orchid lark]

I want one of these sci fi horror games just go absolutely

Like

Bat shit, and just be uber religious

[rocky gale]

It's been a long time since I've watched Evangelion

[storm jungle]

I do love how like

[orchid lark]

God sent the Markers

[storm jungle]

"Unitology is not a mockery of Scientology. Im totally not saying this so they dont sue us."

[green loom]

Is that the gay one

[rocky gale]

I mean

[orchid lark]

Look in the mirror

[rocky gale]

Kinda

[orchid lark]

Shinji is unfortunately super straight

He ends up with Mary Iscariot

[rocky gale]

You sure about that?

[orchid lark]

Yeah watched the final film

[spring cairn]

he's coma sexual

[orchid lark]

Most whack ass ending but i loved it

Because i dont have to deal with Eva ever again

[storm jungle]

Eva's ending is ironically good

[orchid lark]

All of them are

[storm jungle]

minus the entire thing of Shinji reversing everything lol

[orchid lark]

But this final one made me tear up because its all over

And i dont have to deal with it anymore

[storm jungle]

i really did like how just the entirety of humanity turns into primordial goop

and its the most horrifying thing ever

[orchid lark]

Its like beating cancer

[rocky gale]

Shinji is pretty gay for Kaworu though

[orchid lark]

You dont want to lose your Self Identity and join all of us to be part of one single unity?

Fucking pussio

[storm jungle]

GOD DAMN IT I TRUSTED YOU

FUCK YOU

AND FUCK YOUR MARKER

https://tenor.com/view/isaac-clarke-dead-space-goodbye-chat-goodbye-chat-gif-8795671242034358000

[orchid lark]

Dead Space is the Western Eva

[storm jungle]

^

I think one of the reasons I love Eva a bit is just the creator outright saying he did religious imagery because he thought it looked neat and theres no higher message to it

its so fucking funny

"i just think crosses look neat bruh"

[vast crystal]

Convergence is literally just instrumentality

[storm jungle]

also this yeah

[orchid lark]

Imagine he looked at islam instead

[storm jungle]

BRUH CRESCENTS EVERYWHERE

and mustaches

[orchid lark]

Got them Evas tied to bananas

[storm jungle]

🇹🇷

🙏

[orchid lark]

🇲🇾

Our star has 14 points

Loser

[storm jungle]

bastard

[orchid lark]

Turkey with only 5

[vast crystal]

Also my question was more. If necromorphs fell under a chaos god. Would it be Nurgle or khorn

[orchid lark]

Not religious enough

[storm jungle]

If we had to go by gimmick probably nurgle

[orchid lark]

Nurgle

Its decay

[storm jungle]

since like the necromorph thing is basically a plague

[orchid lark]

And singleness

[storm jungle]

Also total acceptance

[shadow plover]

Lmao

[vast crystal]

I thought there was a possibility for khorn because I'd imagine your average necro is psychically emanating forms of anger not thought possible

[green loom]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/568260262688456726/1145697412489429063/trim.B4C2DF0B-8C50-41DB-B0CE-69F5780E7AAE.mp4?ex=665a6c1d&is=66591a9d&hm=4bf3825e0e7e7285a8dd06d718e727553545d6a303926560aecca245812c9c0c&

[storm jungle]

Yeah its more that the Marker makes people basically infected and turn into necromorphs by re-animating after death

Khorne is more just simple-minded violence

[green loom]

They aren't dissimilar to like

Plague Marines

Kinda

[orchid lark]

Khorne is direct too, the Marker misguides and tricks

[rocky gale]

Personally I'd still say Necro's would be there own thing, but if they had to be under a Chaos God I'd say Tzeentch

[orchid lark]

Thats a no no

[shadow plover]

Man the discord gif search is so busted on mobile

[storm jungle]

This is the biggest one

[nocturne crest]

New question: If Death Companies librarians did exist, could they show people around them their visions while in battle?

[storm jungle]

the Markers actively manipulate people

[shadow plover]

Tried to do a funny and the whole app just became unresponsive

[vast crystal]

Like, extremely, earth shatteringly, unreasonably fuck ass mad

[nocturne crest]

Like, black rage ends up infecting guardsmen or sisters of battle.

[orchid lark]

Probably not, i dont think sanguinius knows enough of psychic powers to do so

[storm jungle]

Yeah their psychic rage is bonded to them

[orchid lark]

Its also a re-recording of his last memory

So its something overwriting

Its like when the entire chat types out your spelling mistake

[storm jungle]

it very much has to do with like uh, the extremely small warp-essence in their geneseed that every primarch also had to some degree.

[orchid lark]

Also if one librarian gets afflicted goes black rage

And his brothers are nearby

Wouldnt that just make everything worst

[storm jungle]

to be fair

[orchid lark]

Like Thats grounds for extreme extinction

[storm jungle]

death company dreadnaughts are literally just as dumb of an idea, yet exist solely because it looks cool

so dont question it lmao

[orchid lark]

If anything black rage librarians would perma have wings of sanguinius

[rocky gale]

Pretty sure Librarians that fall to the Rage are instantly executed

Mephiston is the exception because he was trapped under rubble

[nocturne crest]

I mean, you can't take someone out of a dreadnought once they are in.

[rocky gale]

So they couldn't execute him

[orchid lark]

You can, but only once

[spring cairn]

can't you take the "pod" the vegetable is in out of the mech suit basically

and swap it with another cucumber

[nocturne crest]

Refining my statement, you can't take someone out of a dreadnought and make them fight again without it.

[storm jungle]

Its more that they are super destructive and dangerous too.

Remember that these ideas are considered as miniatures first and the lore for them is written in later.

It all goes down to "will this look cool and make people buy this miniature."

its why we got wulfen dreadnaught

even if its like

the most braindead idea

ever

LOL

[orchid lark]

With his ugly little head

So stupid

[nocturne crest]

I've got a feeling that they'll make Primaris Wulfen as a kill-team.

[orchid lark]

GW cant ever stop just fucking over Space Wolves models

[storm jungle]

Nothing is impossible lmao

[rocky gale]

No, nothing for Space Wolves

[shadow plover]

they deserve it

[spring cairn]

wulfen riding wolves

[storm jungle]

wulfen dreadnaught ridden by wulfen on thunderwolves...

[spring cairn]

lizardmen style

[shadow plover]

space wolves could be neat if they'd ditch the whole wolf thing

[rocky gale]

Space Wolves will get more helmets that make them look like furrys and they'll like it

[orchid lark]

We want a wulfen dreadnought

Ok

Make sure he has an ugly ass fucking face too

Uh ok

[storm jungle]

^

holy shit GW just stop

I like the idea of a werewolf dreadnaught but like

could you have designed it in ANY other way

[shadow plover]

how else would you know it's a wulfen....

have it grow a tail?

[spring cairn]

i hate the space wolves

[nocturne crest]

Add a wulf head.

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/barking-howling-yelping-growling-alone-gif-16325461

[orchid lark]

We want an update for Logan GW Modellers

Sure thing GW boss

Make him ride a sleigh

What

Pulled by wolves

What

[storm jungle]

KEK

[shadow plover]

I mean that's the best thing SW have

[storm jungle]

me when im riding my wolf-sleigh and i get bombarded by artillery

https://tenor.com/view/wheelchair-falling-gif-16233922

[shadow plover]

that's what happened to santa

[nocturne crest]

Imagine if they let SW use the Leman Russ tanks again.

[orchid lark]

You know how Space Wolves is a ranged army

Yeah?

Dont give them any new primaris sprues

What

Sons of Morkai are just reivers

[spring cairn]

only if it's pulled by wolves

or the tracks are made of wolves

[orchid lark]

Space Wolves went so cool to so stupid so fucking fast

Its not funny

[green loom]

I'd like to say Logan has the capacity to look cool

[spring cairn]

at this point fuck it give all the SW dog tails

[nocturne crest]

It's Wulfen powered.

[green loom]

But for some reason they added this fucking thing

[spring cairn]

i'd fucking die laughing

[orchid lark]

They are literally the gifted kid who ends being autisically addicted furries and trains

[nocturne crest]

Like, a Wulfen running on a treadmill.

Or one of those hamster ball things.

[spring cairn]

keep the norse shit and get rid of the woof bark stuff honestly

SW saved

but alas

[orchid lark]

They should dial up on the norse shit

Get all the wrong people here

And maybe Black Templar players can finally play a different army

My new Space Wolf, Blacksun Wolf the Bald head

[green loom]

"Lorehead, we need you to write a chaos space wolf"
"Okay what should I call him"
"Svane Wulfbad"
"What"

[spring cairn]

you can tell he's an evil space wolf

like a fucked up distorted version of them

a what if wolves were bad

[tough haven]

They should do actual accurate Norse stuff instead of “uhhh, they like war, don’t listen and wolves”

[spring cairn]

more runic shit

[tough haven]

Still probably one of my favorites though because most chapters to me are boring

[rocky gale]

Well that's the difference between Horus Heresy SW and 40k SW, HH has all the Norse Runic stuff, 40k has all the Wolf stuff

[tough haven]

Fuck yeah

[spring cairn]

except the wolf helmets fuck that

[rocky gale]

Problem?

[carmine maple]

the wolfing wolfdick of russ

[tough haven]

I mean also just not all of Norse society was about plundering and war, they have a pretty interesting history as diplomats and traders, the pirating was just kinda what they got known for by other civilizations

Like I get if the marines are all battle crazy because that was a section of the population and they’re space marines which are literally built for war

But the populace of fenris is also kinda one dimensional that way and that’s lame

[crisp heath]

I'm not here for barterhammer 40k I'm here to get my shit kicked in by a racist furry

[tough haven]

Like I said, I’m fine with space marines being straight up berserkers, that’s cool

I’d just like to see more unique stuff from their home culture on fenris since they already take a lot from it more than other chapters, besides just fucking wolves everywhere

[carmine maple]

to be honest I dont think I've seen a space wolves codex in which they weren't insanely OTT with the wolf stuff

and I'm old enough for random zoomers to call me a tomb king

[tough haven]

And to be fair, we don’t see anyone in a fur suit, id probably describe them as more like toxic masculinity “alphas” just like really obsessed with references to wolves to show they’re cool and edgy

“Throw me to the wolves and I’ll come back their leader” type shit

[carmine maple]

if I remember right it was the codex when they sprouted the full on riding wolves as mounts that it really picked up as a 'this might be a bit much' with the community

[rocky gale]

"You're an Alpha? is that a furry thing?"

[carmine maple]

Thunderwolf cavalry I think?

[tough haven]

I fucking love that

I use that line anytime someone unironically uses the word alpha

If only it worked for “sigma” cause that’s what people say now

[carmine maple]

ask them if they're a calculator

[rocky gale]

Yea, unfortunately it works better than explaining to them that the whole Alpha male wolf thing isn't real.

[carmine maple]

that poor researcher guy

[tough haven]

Fr

These guys don’t know shit about wolves

My brother in Christ they are social creatures, not just assholes

[carmine maple]

show me the wolf in fake tan who never does leg day

[rocky gale]

Yea he did like one paper studying wolves in captivity, then studied wolves in the wild and found his original paper to be completely wrong and spent the rest of his life proving it, yet most people still go around believing the original one.

[tough haven]

Also they’re always like “look at me I’m so strong and independent and free thinking” no you fucking are not, you are brainwashed by dumbasses who are profiting off you like Andrew Tate and the rest

Or the fucking eat only raw meat and organs guy

[tough haven]

Gotta give props to him though

That’s scholarly dedication

He could have easily just left it

[spring cairn]

space wolves are not beating the allegations

https://tenor.com/view/afraid-scared-wtf-help-what-did-i-see-gif-20070435

[tough haven]

wrong, the gun is not a wolf

more wolf

I didnt realize it said wolfhammer lol

[spring cairn]

and the gun has a wolf bayonnet

[dusk patrol]

The only thing more annoying than the Space Wolves overuse of wolves is how people can’t shut up about it

Yes wolf mcwolfy lord wolf wolf

[spring cairn]

deserved

[thorn zenith]

never beating the furry allegiation

[dusk patrol]

Hilarious

[spring cairn]

gw's fault

[dusk patrol]

There’s plenty of memes which are rooted in fact or have some basis, they’re still overdone and annoying

[thorn zenith]

like i get it its satire but it reminds me of how edgy preteen kids are obsessed with wolves

[spring cairn]

like those corny realistic print wolf t shirts

[dusk patrol]

The Pack

[spring cairn]

bonus points if there's a full moon in the background

[plush mason]

the irony of self proclaimed "loners" being obsessed with one of the most social animals on earth will never not be funny to me

[thorn zenith]

i get it, the notion of lone wolf

[rocky gale]

Yea it's another myth about the whole "Lone Wolf" thing, where it's seen as being super independent and not needing anyone, but like anyone that knows Wolves knows that lone wolves are social outcasts that did something wrong and usually die pretty quickly without a pack.

[carmine maple]

to be fair to them on the lone wolf thing, if I remember right there's a unit called Lone Wolf and half the point of them in a space wolves army was to get extra points by getting them killed immediately

[rocky gale]

Yea they're the last surviving member of a squad who hasn't earned a place amongst the Wolf Guard, they basically have to swear an oath to fight the biggest Monster they can find to redeem themselves or die in the attempt

[carmine maple]

which on the other hand makes the space wolves really opposed to not working as a pack

cos if you become a last survivor you BEST be getting your ass killed off heroically

[rocky gale]

Well the goal is to survive

They want you to win the fight, redeem your fallen squadmates and then join the Wolf Guard

If you die, you failed

[thorn zenith]

true, but kids arent the most well informed people

[rocky gale]

Kids? We're talking 20-30 year olds

[storm jungle]

yes kids

[queen laurel]

Yeah you know the term Man child exist for a reason

Most of the time yes it's just adult apparent to being childish but most of the time it is correct by a large margin

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-you-do-fellow-kids-steve-buscemi-30rock-fellow-kids-one-of-us-gif-21904018

[crystal forum]

"kids" on the internet for me broadly refers to people who have the mentality of children

like the people who consume the female custodes videos with AI thumbnails

babies easily duped into outrage

[plush mason]

yeah the internet is full of them

people who never developed past the teenage years mentally

[raven stone]

More accurate to say that maturity does not come with age.

I don’t think of myself as an Internet edgelord and I still feel immature at times.

[river walrus]

Ulgo feel wise. Dunno if am wise. Just like to be kind

[thorn zenith]

we all have our weaknesses, but being generally unwise when you could at least keep good form is honestly a bit cringe

[river walrus]

Ulgo didnt understand. But if Ulgo not wise, then Ulgo kind. If not kind? Then it not Ulgo.

[vast crystal]

I feel you

[rocky gale]

I'm aware that I'm immature for my age, but like I've got a condition where my brain literally develops slower than normal peoples.

[river walrus]

If you try be nice, not care if mature. Politeness matter more.

[thorn zenith]

basically; be sniveling when you can be kind

[queen laurel]

i am fucking stupid there's no sugar coating that

[vast crystal]

I'm basically mortarion without the blessings of Nurgle

[queen laurel]

but some people makes me really wonder what the hell did they go through

[river walrus]

Is true, but why snivel now? Heretic to krump with friends!

[thorn zenith]

im not gonna say that im mature either, nowadays i just roll with not being upset with things on the internet because i already have enough stress in my daily life. That and only taking the piss when its good spirits funny

[river walrus]

Sometimes, it bad. Sometimes it good. Everyboby's story different

[vast crystal]

If he was also unusually aloof

[river walrus]

Good thinkin!

[thorn zenith]

because some people are just heretics

[queen laurel]

Understandable big man but what the hell kind of story did they read for them to think that our Wi-Fi tower spread some kinds of disease

[vast crystal]

If that explanation makes sense

[outer wave]

Mood brother

[river walrus]

Bad childhood.

[river walrus]

Krump heretics

[thorn zenith]

Theres entirely too much rage these days

Everyone just wants to scream at each others and own each others

Even i am not immune to it lmao

[raven stone]

Ironically I just spent far too long on the wrong priorities that wasn’t even politics related.
Took me this long to get my head looking the right way.

[vast crystal]

There's a lot of reasons for that

[green loom]

Time to look at the newest reactionary discourse and make fun of sexists

[thorn zenith]

Cant say that i dont understand lmao, its like this everywhere regardless of context

[vast crystal]

Most of them are ether far too political or far to personal for me to get into here

[thorn zenith]

Yea im aware, its a shitty world all around

[green loom]

Don't worry, there's bound to be another person who'll show up out of the blue randomly to complain about something very weird and rule breaking next month

[vast crystal]

It always fucking happens in this Fandom doesn't it

[outer wave]

Not too often here

Or at least not as often as it was before Darktide launched

[queen laurel]

If you ignore it you can avoid most of it at least

yeah but this fandom is quite notorious for having some of the brick beaten brained fools

[green loom]

Most good spaces clamp down on it thankfully

[vast crystal]

Atleast

[green loom]

Because the people that complain about shit like that are typically negative influences anyway, funny how that works

[vast crystal]

Like despite of my personal gripes with how GW handles the setting and everything surrounding it. Atleast I can take solus in the fact that people are trying to take the trash out

Trash = the kinds of people who'd complain about the custodies retcon (you know the one)

[green loom]

Yearp

[river walrus]

Ulgo not care if female custodies. Ulgo think it neat an adds color to world

[vast crystal]

The correct position

[river walrus]

Ulgo see it that way. No female space marines because sisters of battle exist, so no need for them.

Sisters not on level with Custodies so it logical there some girls

[dusk patrol]

Yes we get it people who complain about female Custodes and stuff are lame let’s cut the loop off here

Name your favorite guard regiment

[river walrus]

Tanith first an only

[queen laurel]

like the emergence of people who claim to be Warhammerr fans when it was revealed that custodes had women were hilarious

like not too long ago all of them were complaining about the garbage rules then they noticed the lore text and they just lose it immediately

from rule complaining to complaining about women in their fictional army

[river walrus]

Ulgo think it dumb! Why snivel when boss is woman? Stupid

[vast crystal]

Stupid indeed

A quality man doesn't fear equally

[river walrus]

Ulgo ogryn, so am okay. If Sah says kill it not matter voice or body Sah is Sah

[vast crystal]

Funny thing is. Complaining about the rules is valid

[thorn zenith]

i mean i get some of them, but i do not have enough dogs in the matter to warrant me speaking of it

[rocky gale]

My brain is the size of a walnut so my favourite is the one I'm currently reading about, the 11th Antari Rifles.

[vast crystal]

Nether do i

[queen laurel]

them complaining about the rules make sense that was the funny part

but then they just had to complain about something that was stupid

[vast crystal]

I don't have nearly enough time and money to play tabletop. I'm just a lore nerd who plays some of the games occasionally

[vast crystal]

I was pointing out the obvious

[queen laurel]

yes but I find it so funny I just had to point at it the second time

[thorn zenith]

wokeness reactionary effect does strange things to people

[vast crystal]

Wokeness is both a non issue and brain poison

In the sense that anyone who takes "wokeness" seriously has if it's a plot is brain poisoned

...

Anyway

TERRA WAS AN ACT OF SELF DEFENSE

[thorn zenith]

Moderation in all things is the way to go, full sending it in either direction is not good

[tough haven]

fair enough

[tough haven]

This also makes me laugh lol

[vast crystal]

I will say that it felt like i brought this convo to a stretching halt

[tough haven]

Perhaps hit in head?

[thorn zenith]

nah lmao, i do have some things to say about the matter but it would prolly stray too far from the point of the channel

[river walrus]

Meybe

[tough haven]

Maybe listened to bad info, like them podcasts

[river walrus]

That too yes

[tough haven]

Methinks sometimes people become too accustomed to their bubble of thought, which causes them to go further and further down rabbit holes that they cannot escape from, as these thought processes have become tied to their sense of self, so they stay stuck in these ridiculous circles because they feel connected to it

Sorry, bone 'ead implant sparked up there for a bit

[vast crystal]

Dw big man. I'd say that's good actually

[vast crystal]

How do you feel about the current state of helldivers 2 btw?

[tough haven]

I enjoy it, I think there needs to be more variety though, a lot of loadouts and support options just are weird generalist or middle ground options that dont do anything better than anything else and that makes me sad

[vast crystal]

I'm not being hyperbolic when I say I legitimately hate the current state of the game

[river walrus]

Community angry. Not care. Is game fun? Sure. All okay

[river walrus]

Blame Sony

[vast crystal]

I blame Arrowhead as well

[river walrus]

That allowed too yes

[raven stone]

Didn’t they switch out a CEO too?

One who is likely to answer more towards money?

[vast crystal]

So yohan could take the CCO position and work on his game more directly

He's still charman of the bord and owns the company as such

[raven stone]

Ah ok

[river walrus]

So... what changes?

[winter vessel]

From beginning to now, HD2 is like the Imperium. At the start and in the first month, it felt like we were literally on the Great Crusade, literally claiming planets and completing MOs. But after the PSN issue, that was basically our Horus Heresy. That one moderator lost his job but the community managed to hold off the account requirement. So right now we’re in an age of Stagnation, with 177 countries still having players who can’t get the game

[vast crystal]

The new ceo basically exists to deal with sony and the financial issues. And answers directly to yohan

I cannot figure out how to spell his last name

[raven stone]

But that sadly implies one more disaster to represent the Age of Apostasy…

(Goge Vandire)

[vast crystal]

...the patch

Oh god

[winter vessel]

My take, Everything hinges on this next patch. Summer break is already around the corner for some schools, hopefully by then the fixes will be made, and a surge of players will rise again.

[raven stone]

Well all the best to the Helldivers out there…
Not gonna call myself one since I don’t have the game.

[winter vessel]

I’ve been around for a while, since the beginning of the Attrition at Malevelon Creek

[river walrus]

You can be anyfin. What stoppin you from bein helldiver?

[river walrus]

"Stop playin the creek" stop snivelin an get back to yer hole!

[winter vessel]

I’m honestly living the dream of my favorite IG regiments, the Elysian Drop Troops when playing Helldivers 2

[river walrus]

Very nice!

[raven stone]

Time, life is short of time lol.

[river walrus]

Yes very true!!

[winter vessel]

The is no short supply on the need of more Helldivers

[thorn zenith]

the effect of the sony debacle is definitely still felt, and it leaves a big scar for what i wouldve said was a big goty contender

balance could use work, but that should be done alongside relisting the countries that got off'd in the debacle

[winter vessel]

It’s really unfair for those who aren’t listed. I call it a Pyrrhic victory for the community.

[thorn zenith]

yeah, i got banned from their discord otherwise i would be pinging up the community on it too

getting that done, with some major buffs across the board, are the best things they could do before letting time heal

[winter vessel]

Ultimately, I was prepared to do the account link. My gaming account holds little value of my information. But it can feel like a nuisance having to create one account to the next just to play one game

[outer wave]

What did you do to get banned off there?

[thorn zenith]

i got banned in the big F spammage

[outer wave]

Ohhhh that

[thorn zenith]

i didnt exactly get involved because i was waiting to see where it falls

[storm jungle]

And people call us bad mods

[thorn zenith]

i mean, the blame was directly on their mod lmao

[winter vessel]

Reminds me of the World Eaters over the issue of implanting the Butcher’s Nails after the events on Ghenna

[queen laurel]

Me watching people condemn one of the mods into a witch hunt even though what the mod did was perfectly reasonable

[thorn zenith]

telling literal hundreds of thousand pee brain gamers to not do something and pinging everyone? express ticket to meltdown town

[thorn zenith]

didnt that mod also had something to do with another mass ban prior? or did i get different people mixed up

[vast crystal]

The only good policy is ether radio silence or active hostility

[queen laurel]

No it's one of the people here once

Attempted a witch hunt for something stupid

[vast crystal]

Declare warfare on your own fanbase

[outer wave]

Wasnt that Darcy or someone else?