#40k-lore-chat

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dusk patrol
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and fuck Illinois taxes

rocky gale
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Yea but I don't live in the US and it's not normal in my country

arctic talon
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Oh

dusk patrol
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Idk then

arctic talon
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Well that’s

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Very unfortunate

rocky gale
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My town just has really shit Public transport for some reason

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Like everywhere else in the country is great, we're just a deadspot

green loom
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Same

tough haven
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My town is just too small for public transport

green loom
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We have like

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One bus

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To the north

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On like 2 days

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And then one train on sundays

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The town 15 minutes from us meanwhile has access to the entire country more or less lol

arctic talon
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Japan has good public transportation mf’ers when I drop them in the middle of nowhere and the primary export of the town is rice

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And there’s a train station that’s a 30 minute drive

rocky gale
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The trainline used to go through our town, but when the industry died they closed the line and made it go around the town instead and there's no stations near enough that are worth using

arctic talon
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Rip

rocky gale
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Don't worry, they recently turned all the old train lines into cycle paths, that will save the day thumbsup_ogryn

arctic talon
rocky gale
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You know, instead of just making them train lines again

arctic talon
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Okay but what’s the cheaper option

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That still gives good pr

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Even if it does nothing

rocky gale
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Yea, I think it was a tourism decision. They wanted to advertise that you could cycle across the entire country as like a holiday idea

arctic talon
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Bruh

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This sounds like the Netherlands

rocky gale
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Netherlands makes sense because it's like incredibly flat

arctic talon
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Telling tourists to cycle everywhere(there is a giant mountain)

rocky gale
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Aye just cycle from Tildarg to Kells across the Big Collin

dusk patrol
green loom
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They could've become the Netherglades

crystal forum
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well, urban hills

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cities don't have many uphills usually i think

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also fun fact global warming estimates put the entirety of netherlands underwater by 2050 at the least

rocky gale
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So apparently a large portion of chuds who abandoned 40k over the Custodes lore tried to find a new home in Trench Crusade, since they saw the aesthetic and assumed it would be a good fit, turns out the Trench Crusade community is incredibly inclusive and is pretty zero tolerance on discrimination and bigotry, so the newcomers were quickly made aware that they were not welcome, so now they're seething online about that.

outer wave
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Yep heard about that

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I love the art in that and followed the artist before the game was a thing

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Really cool to see his art being used

rocky gale
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It was some insane stuff, they were doing investigations into what was happening, first they thought it was rogue mods on the Discord, server but then when they learned the Discord Server was ran by a Fan Magazine for the game they thought "They're trying to sabotage the Devs" so they got in contact with the Devs to "warn them" and the Devs told them to fuck off and that they supported the Discord Mods.

outer wave
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Lma

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o

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Is this info on the subreddit?

rocky gale
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Not sure, I've been seeing screenshots of Twitter posts about it

outer wave
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Time to look that up

radiant lance
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I want gossip and drama

rocky gale
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The chuds were trying to figure out why the mods were banning them for being bigoted in the Trench Crusade Discord

radiant lance
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Classic chuds

outer wave
radiant lance
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What even is a chud

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Cool

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The misogynists jumping ship to a new IP doesn't sound awful for 40k though

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Rip trench crusade though

outer wave
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Bruh cant we just enjoy the cool body horror art and table top game while looking into the fluff?

radiant lance
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"why won't anyone accept my shitty opinions?"

outer wave
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Its a game about how horrible war devolves people with a religious twist

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Its pretty political already brother

rocky gale
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It's all politics my guy

plush mason
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yeah no need to inject real world politics into it tho

radiant lance
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The Imperium is satire of political systems

radiant lance
outer wave
plush mason
rocky gale
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Things exist within the context that created them, fictional politics are reflections of real world politics

radiant lance
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Are you telling me animal farm wasn't a funny story about some barnyard animals?

outer wave
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Damn they arent barnyard animals?

radiant lance
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I've never read animal farm ngl

outer wave
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HUh?

radiant lance
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Is the princess of 40k in another castle?

plush mason
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yeah animal farm is literally just a political protest written in a way to avoid government censorship, cant really compare it to other satires due to that

rocky gale
plush mason
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tbch i kinda wish bigotry wasnt seen as a political thing

outer wave
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Like really, how do you get around the real life politics bit when building a world?

plush mason
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you cant

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but we can keep the real world crap out of it as much as we can

radiant lance
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40k dead

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Wait until we get to Warhammer fantasy and their allusions

outer wave
rocky gale
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All worldbuilding is going to be based on something

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Or amalgamations of multiple things

radiant lance
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Humans aren't creative enough to create a concept without some sort of basis to stem from

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humen dum

plush mason
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with 40k the problem is real world bigots see the horrible crap the imperium does and think its a goal to strive for, when GW has said time and again 40k is a just a hobby game and nothing more

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if anything 40k is a warning about what could happen to humanity

radiant lance
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The Imperium was meant to be a satire of fascism, so of course it'll have elements of what we have seen in history

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Like,.are we meant to just make up a new form of an autocracy that squashes political dissent?

plush mason
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10 thousand years of raging against the dying of the light has seen humanity lose every last part of itself

royal falcon
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Throw a couple bones their way and you've got a legion of useful idiots

plush mason
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ofc

mighty summit
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,,Bro I can't wait to become a Based Black Templar and kill for humanity"
You're going to be a factory worker, die to Rust Lung by 23 and get turned into Corpse Starch

plush mason
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^

radiant lance
plush mason
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clout culture has only made the culture wars worse

outer wave
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True

mighty summit
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I like 40K for the Big fictional Space Men doing Big fictional Space Battles

outer wave
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With folks like Arch or EndymionTV taking full advantage of the Femtodes controversy

plush mason
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now there is some strange profit in joining the newest outrage bandwagon to enter the ring

outer wave
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Anyway when will Hololive play Darktide?

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I want them to play Darktide

rocky gale
plush mason
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all algorithms*

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they started the clout culture

outer wave
rocky gale
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Wait no it was Vshojo

outer wave
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I tried to convince him into looking into PNGtubing

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He did not seem convinced

radiant lance
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Massive outrage and boycotting a GW retcon again is kinda ridiculous for something innocuous just for writing "she." They've done other things like kill off the squats, sunset the old space marines, and other retcons that actually affect the lore more than a female custodes

outer wave
storm jungle
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I mean how else can you introduce it

plush mason
outer wave
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An actual book probably or models with the female heads

storm jungle
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acting like its always been a thing is pretty much the best way to go about it, Custodians got no "they must only be men" rule like Marines have it outlined on rulebooks

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tho extra head options to go with it deffo would help lol

outer wave
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Yeah people would be at least a bit happy

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Plus fix up their rules

storm jungle
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People would have been mad either way tho ye

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this fandom is filled with chuds so like lol

rocky gale
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Yea as has been clarified many times, it's not really a retcon, it's just a clarification. "It's always been there" is how they do things, because even when they come up with a lore reason for why something changed people still complain.

plush mason
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if only the community could do to the chuds what the imperium does to every minor alien race it finds and wants the world said aliens live on

outer wave
storm jungle
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The process is painstakingly done gene-alchemy which would go above gender stuff, Custodians are suppose to be the peak of humanity, making them just men would be very weird with the special scientific knowledge used to make them to begin with.

radiant lance
storm jungle
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the tradition thing is extremely stupid

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lol

rocky gale
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But that just codifies that there were never women custodes and they are being added, which isn't what happened.

storm jungle
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^

outer wave
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YO BASED I LOVE THE OGRES

storm jungle
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Its cope

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a really bad one

rocky gale
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The lore never specified it had to be men, that was headcanon from the audience

plush mason
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iirc there are noble families on terra that give like almost every child they have to the custodes

storm jungle
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Okay but like again, theres no need to justify it. Custodians are not this blatant or discriminatory.

radiant lance
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Old lore called them brothers, but tbf, co Ed fraternities do the same thing

plush mason
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so if they only did the sons their lines would have long ended

storm jungle
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Retcons are all what warhammer is about, it doesnt really matter

radiant lance
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This is GW

storm jungle
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especially this

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theres been WAY, WAY worse retcons lol

plush mason
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^

radiant lance
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All they do is just delete old lore

storm jungle
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^

plush mason
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^

radiant lance
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Like what happened to the star child and sensei lol

storm jungle
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lmao

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and then they just brought it back

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in some random ass book

radiant lance
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Completely ignoring old lore and making a sudden new canon is what GW does best

plush mason
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in fact the way i know most of this "outage" is from outside the community is a lot of it is from people that think retcons arent something GW does often

storm jungle
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Its a nothing-burger

plush mason
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^

rocky gale
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Explain how it's poorly handled retcon then?

storm jungle
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Im really not

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ive been a 40k fan for 12 years

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so like, calling me dense for not caring about a dumb retcon is a bit lol

radiant lance
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All of their retcons are poorly handled

storm jungle
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^

rocky gale
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What piece of lore specifically has been irrevocably damaged by the change?

plush mason
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none of it

storm jungle
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Pretty much

rocky gale
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Name one instance in any book which now doesn't make sense because of this change?

plush mason
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this change is so small it has next to 0 impact

gray umbra
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Warcraft is a much bigger offender for doing stupid shit

rocky gale
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Name one major story plot point from any novel which is lessened or ruined by this change?

radiant lance
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Yeah it's just ridiculous that "this retcon ruined 40k" when you have shit like squats straight up being deleted in the past

gray umbra
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Its typical in these sort of expansive universes anyway

storm jungle
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like i said above, Custodians are the side faction OF side factions, their matters and interjections to the grand narrative of modern 40k is very small. Them having women in their ranks now changes basically nothing, they are still supremacist assholes that hate space marines and want to protect the Emperor.

plush mason
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^

radiant lance
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And now we have dommy muscle mommies protect daddy Emps

gray umbra
storm jungle
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Thats kind of what happens when the subject is pretty much null

plush mason
storm jungle
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Not really but sure

gray umbra
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All im gonna say is its too much bandwidth to get caught on this nonsense

storm jungle
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Also that yeah

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again, its a nothing burger

radiant lance
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I just love shitposting

gray umbra
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If u wanna stress about female custodes then u do u

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Me too

storm jungle
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Id understand the outrage more if it was something that actually mattered lol

rocky gale
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Aka "I've been challenged on my statements and have no defence, so I'm leaving"

storm jungle
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Pretty much, most people wont care and will just move on basically.

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It more or less effects nothing like i said above too

rocky gale
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Wasn't meaning to be hostile sorry, was attempting to be humorous

radiant lance
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There's a SigMarxism subreddit. Amazing. It's a leftist subreddit dedicated to Warhammer

gray umbra
radiant lance
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The name is just amazing

storm jungle
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Its an artistic one

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Darktide shows you can armor ogryns for more heavier stuff

rocky gale
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Ogryns can be incredibly claustrophobic, do you think they get scared if they're wearing too much clothing?

storm jungle
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and we know this is fact because every cosmetic in Darktide needs to get approved by GW

plush mason
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bullgryns have a shit ton of armor iirc, plus ogryns can just shrug off most damage so armor isnt as needed

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its down to their roles

radiant lance
plush mason
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bullgryns are mainly a defensive force so they are tanky as all hell but slow

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the ones used more offensively will have less armor so they can move faster

outer wave
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I'd have imagined full armor for ogryns isn't used alot due to lack of care from the users

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Which means constant replacement which they probably don't wanna bother with

radiant lance
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Their skin is naturally incredibly tough

plush mason
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they kinda dont need it afaik, they are insanely tough with thick skin and few pain receptors

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they can weather bolter fire and survive even when whole chunks of their flesh gone

outer wave
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I think this calls for an actual ogryn faction

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An incredibly based and ogre pilled idea

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But yeah apparently giving an Ogryn terminator armor weakens them so that should be somewhat indicative of their strength and endurance

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Beats me, I got that info off Dilara from here

green loom
green loom
lunar crag
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I wonder if the return of guilliman and lion would change the imperium policy on technology

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I feel like they would allow taking in xeno tech like the tau plasma weapons

plush mason
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not likely becuse its the admech that rule that sphere

lunar crag
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well primaris and new power armor

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is a thing

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so they kind of got some influence

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on it

plush mason
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because of Cawl

lunar crag
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isnt that technically

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heresy

plush mason
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yes

lunar crag
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i thought its only allowed bc of guilliman

plush mason
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Cawl is a barely tolerated heretek

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always has been

lunar crag
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oh

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makes sense

plush mason
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the emperor himself sanctioned many of Cawl's works so the rest of the admech cant do anything about it

lunar crag
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but the Emperor didn't sanction the ability to invent?

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how

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odd

plush mason
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because he largely left the mechanicum alone

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plus iirc the whole "no inventing" stuff is more of a mechanicus thing

green loom
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Emps did lots of inventing

plush mason
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the mechanicum was a bit more open to it

green loom
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And was also gathering like minded weirdos on Terra

lunar crag
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wait whats the diff between mechanicus and mechanicum

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i thought they were the same

green loom
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AdMech are all the dogmatic elements that survived the Schism of Mars

plush mason
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^

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the mechanicum largely sided with horus during the heresy

green loom
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The extremes on world tore each other apart, one leaving with the traitors, the other staying

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Whoever was left was uh

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Pretty radicalised

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Also the whole

plush mason
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the mechanicus is formed from the loyalist factions of the mechanicum

green loom
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Mass scrap code thing

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Didn't help things much

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What with vast, vast swathes of information and research being lost

lunar crag
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so mass stupidity for no reason

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at this rate im suprised they still know how to make gear for space marines

plush mason
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it doesnt help that due to the warp any "burst of inspiration" for a new invention could be coming from a literal daemon tricking the inventor into making some nightmare device

green loom
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Inventing is still a thing TBF but it has to go through the Admech's nightmare beaurocracy

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It took the space wolves some 300+ years to get a vehicle variant approved

plush mason
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because inventing is seen as a blasphemy against the ancestors

green loom
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Cawl gets away with what he does because he has immense political pull among the Admech, a sizeable chunk of supporters, and the blessing of the highest levels of imperial authority

plush mason
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an act of hubris and a proclamation that you know better than the great ones that came before

lunar crag
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would he get in trouble

green loom
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Probably not

plush mason
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no because he is the son of the omnissia

lunar crag
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makes sense

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being the son of God does give a lot of pass

plush mason
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so he was way way more pull than any tech-priest

plush mason
lunar crag
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yeah

green loom
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The Omnissiah is their Jesus figure yeah

lunar crag
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the emperor pressed the on button

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on a titan

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and it turned on

plush mason
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so i guess a primarch would be the son of Christ to them

arctic talon
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ye

rose thorn
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Admech are Catholics and that’s very funny to me

river walrus
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What is admech?

arctic talon
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Techpriests

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the adeptus mechanicus

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They make technology

river walrus
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Admech are tech priest?

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Huh...

arctic talon
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All tech priests are members of the adeptus mechanicus

burnt maple
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Admech is simply "Adeptus Mechanicus" - just shortened.

crystal forum
rose thorn
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perfectly

crystal forum
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does it

rose thorn
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also

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there is a conspirasy

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saying teh bible perdicted technology

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my dad is a conspiracy theorist so

crystal forum
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maggie lore

winter vessel
crystal forum
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how many christians have actually read the full bible seriously

winter vessel
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me

crystal forum
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i commend you

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like they insist on printing them with single atom thick paper just because they dont want to cut out the parts that nobody reads raaaah

rose thorn
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and like, god is electricity

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or something

winter vessel
crystal forum
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an introduction to pop science and its effects on the humain faith

winter vessel
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Matrix

tough haven
crystal forum
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you sometimes get the odd christian who has formed their own view of the bible

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the least zealous denominations are fun to listen to in church

tough haven
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I actually find the idea of often going back and reevaluating scripture through a lens mixed between past and present in order to prevent stagnation but that ain’t gonna happen

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Just one more reason I’m not a Christian

tough haven
orchid lark
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Islam tries to keep up and make plans for the future

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When space travel was possible

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Bunch of philosophers and oldheads went ham on discussions

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Lots of agreements on how islamic societies would behave on space and how “new meccas” for the purpose of prayer directions were established

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Praying in ZeroG was also discussed and actually done practically in 2014-2016

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For that one the consensus was, since youre not on land and theres no actual direction to pray toward, the sun or nearest star is sufficient and correct

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Because thats essentially a extension of “if youre lost and you dont know the direction to Mecca, you pray towards where the sun rose

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Transhumanism discussions are still off and on with those guys too

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Which for the most part like current prosthesis, youre not allowed to be buried with it

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But what if its internal augmentations?

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Same thing, probably

thorn zenith
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i grew up with buddhism and people in my country have general outlook that its gospels are timeless, and modern stuff are usually individually brought up to individual clerics rather than the whole thing being reevaluating and updated

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prolly doesnt help that buddhism itself is practiced somewhat loosely even among the faithful

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in my country that is

orchid lark
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We kinda have to update our understanding to modernity, it kinda doesnt make sense to keep it in the context of the past

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Problem is, 80-90% of muslims dont realise that

thorn zenith
orchid lark
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I just realised muslims cant be do burials in the void.
We would literally have to find a planet that can be used for burial

thorn zenith
orchid lark
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Prayers for travel worked for when we walked long distances and horse riding, but guess what it still works for driving or flying

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So theres a degree of “future proofing” but people are just so lazy to understand

thorn zenith
orchid lark
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Siddhartas wisdom is clear cut and applicable even now.

thorn zenith
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im gonna pull up an instance i really like from the game Cyberpunk 2077 where a radio show interviewed a buddhist monk about the religion's stance on cybernetics

thorn zenith
orchid lark
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My biggest fear with doing that i feel, some people might just change the tone and wordings to fit their vision better.

The more people want to update religion to modernity the more dangerous it becomes when those people are in the wrong

thorn zenith
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Yeah, true. Ive never considered that before

orchid lark
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We have literal proof of this with the King James bible

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And prostestants

winter vessel
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that a problem?

thorn zenith
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Now that i think of it, christianity will go up in flames with all the different sects and agendas

orchid lark
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Constant changes can become dangerous as it befits the person in power

thorn zenith
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Theres gonna be chaos if the vatican does it and they happen to not like the outcome

orchid lark
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The faith no longer holds security for the masses, but holds power for those abusing it

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The Holy See only deals with Catholicism, it isnt the end all be all for christianity.

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Mormons vatican is what, some church in Utah?

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Protestants is britain aint it, the Holy Church of England or something?

thorn zenith
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Im aware, but there are catholics and "catholics" (quote unquote) who arent really catholics

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But i guess thats just a big world, things cant really stay ruler straight all the way across the globe

orchid lark
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The actual metric tons, the ball of 1kg

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Love those things

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Nigh-religious artefacts of actual solid physics and mathematics

thorn zenith
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Thats beside the point but true. Im saying about religious gospels and stuff. Like how my country is nominally of traditional indian buddhism but in reality its bastardized and mixed with other things

orchid lark
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Thats either cambodia or thailand

winter vessel
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" I put no stock in religion. By the word religion I have seen the lunacy of fanatics of every denomination be called the will of God."

thorn zenith
orchid lark
pallid ledge
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i only believe in the god emperor like a good little soldier angelpatient

winter vessel
orchid lark
orchid lark
pallid ledge
thorn zenith
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BY THE EMPEROR IS THAT A HERETIC

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REEEEEEEEE

pallid ledge
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i view a heretic as a positive, after all one more dead heretic means more corpse starch for the rest of us yummie

winter vessel
# orchid lark Good, dont fall for them salesman of salvation

I consult with others on their relationship, what it means to walk with God and their journey. but I don't consider them my teachers. I can live a good life, but without my faith, not an organization's, to keep me anchored, I would easy be easy prey to zealotry, and be like other bozos who froth at the mouth on their pews. my belief/faith, is between God and I, its why I pray for guidance from him. It's not gonna be like I'm hearing a voice in my head because we all know what that leads to.

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sometimes the response just...happens, whether I was aware of it or not.

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anyways, that's my piece. g'night y'all

orchid lark
green loom
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My uncle isn't particularly dogmatic(in social settings) but outside of that he's a pretty dogmatic christian and Luddite lol

spring cairn
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growing up in a very by the book christian household and openly telling them of my opposing belief in my late teens was not a fun time indeed

orchid lark
storm jungle
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the most dangerous sect of the admech

green loom
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I'm playing through wings of liberty and NGL it's making me really want a necromunda game that isn't hired gun or one of the other crappy ones KEKW_ogryn

queen laurel
thorn zenith
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i was just a normal guy but slowly lost faith in religion after seeing everything becoming business oriented and more stuff are geared towards getting "donations"

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im still okay with the faith and principle themselves, but not exactly very positive about the institution

thorn zenith
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see: Apple products being almost annual slop with an entirely fabricated air of bougie and people still eat them up

pine wedge
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yesn't

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apple silicon is really good

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but they dont innovate in form factor at all anymore

gray umbra
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All they did with the latest model was rip out of the sim module iirc

gray umbra
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Its not really about the product anymore

spring cairn
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who's ready to live in cyberpunk 2077

gray umbra
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Already are

spring cairn
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nah

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no mantis blade yet

gray umbra
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Sorry we're at boring dystopia rn

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Just wait a few more decades until the wealth transfer is complete

spring cairn
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they're taking forever

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to upgrade the setting to wacky dystopia

gray umbra
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Just nudge for an anti-corp riot to give them a reason to lobby for the legal right to maintain their own standing army

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Theyre already citizens

tough haven
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Too much potential for corruption

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I prefer just basic spirituality with loose interpretable tenets that are in line with your faith

plush mason
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yeah if God is everywhere they dont need an institution to speak for them

storm jungle
outer wave
queen laurel
storm jungle
outer wave
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It's true!

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And that's coming from the same kid who sort of thought about wanting to be a priest

celest dome
storm jungle
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God

gray umbra
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You ever deal with mlm moms

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With the essential oils pitch

outer wave
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Nope and I hope I never have to

gray umbra
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Its very predatory

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It went from a sob story about her autistic, quadraplegic son to how lavender oil will save your life

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She kept using phrases like do the research

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So i did and found out her company is under litigation for smuggling endangered plants from south america

outer wave
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LMAO

gray umbra
queen laurel
gray umbra
outer wave
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Next time they come by, prank them by getting a bottle, labelling it with their essential oils brand, fill it with water, then go talk to them while drinking said water

gray umbra
#

Isnt that how it works

outer wave
#

Of course, thats how they healed my ADHD and autism and vaccines from my system

queen laurel
#

yeah it also cured me of my radioactive cancer

oak gazelle
storm jungle
#

To be fair

#

low bar

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especially considering our species 💀

crisp heath
#

Did you just call orangutans monkeys

storm jungle
#

🦧

outer wave
#

They are GREAT APES

#

Give them the respect they DESERVE

dusk patrol
#

Pfft

#

They’re ok

winter vessel
#

this guy looks like he's on the verge of attaining the wojak brain chair status.

latest.png
outer wave
#

I feel like I could slap that brain slightly and they'd fall over

celest dome
#

Do you think the brain jiggle ?

outer wave
#

Oh yeah

dusk patrol
#

No

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It folds

winter vessel
#

It probably bobs when he nods up and down, like a hairdo but in this case it’s more like a wrinkled backwards tongue.

outer wave
#

Its like a really large afro but with weight

rocky gale
#

I only just noticed the character has a tail

winter vessel
#

Now I can see him struggling to get through a very narrow doorway, but his head is too big and gets wedged. So if like there’s a GSC meeting being gathered by a Patriarch, Neutron over here is holding up the line.

gray umbra
winter vessel
#

That’s even better

gray umbra
#

Smite psykers

tough haven
tough haven
radiant lance
#

Do the research harder

winter vessel
tough haven
spring cairn
#

I've read some bafflingly stupid research papers during my wasted time arguing with strangers online

gray umbra
#

I dont got the time for dat

young pecan
scenic bolt
#

I once got into an argument with a NASA JPL engineer where he was dead set on ancient egyptians created the pyramids as a pan-galactic teleportation hub and thats why the world government wont let you in there

#

you'd think a guy like that would be all over ancient aliens stuff but he thought it was crank bs, and the real truth is humanity was the ancient aliens until something got rid of our FTL empire

arctic talon
#

Scientologist?

scenic bolt
#

no atheist

arctic talon
#

Even funnier

viral halo
#

and believe these theories

#

I mean look at Terry Davis

scenic bolt
viral halo
#

Dude wrote ticketmaster and wrote a whole OS in like no time at all and got locked into his own mind and went schizophrenic

arctic talon
#

Temple OS

viral halo
#

One of the smartest people I know (above 150 IQ tested) is a firm believer in anti vax etc

#

I think the smartest IQ tested man in America is also an anti semite conspiracy theorist

#

Many such cases

arctic talon
#

Genuinely some people who are that smart uh

#

Think they know better

#

It’s an ego thing

scenic bolt
#

yea thats def a thing

viral halo
#

They also go bonkers looking for answers to things

arctic talon
#

Having met people on this path to hell irl

scenic bolt
#

lotta STEM types think cause you can do past college level math means you're now qualified to rule society

arctic talon
#

Lol

#

Poly sci and STEM

#

Those are the places I’ve met these people

scenic bolt
#

thats probably some of it to, society doesnt always have neat answers or reasons for things

arctic talon
#

Also business lol

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Poly sci majors scare me lol

scenic bolt
#

all but like a handful of polisci grads I know get high huffing their own farts

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and the ones who arent like that exclusively all grew up poor

viral halo
#

Most polisci ppl I know either are broke and protesting all the time or are federal agents

arctic talon
#

Me when their solution boils down to kill people vox

viral halo
scenic bolt
arctic talon
#

You are not solving the housing crisis by killing homeless people 💀

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I do not know how to break this to some people

viral halo
arctic talon
#

Beyond just saying they’re insane

scenic bolt
#

century ago theyd be full on board with eugenics and scientific racism (some of them are still)

arctic talon
#

So many people in STEM genuinely have negative social skills lol

viral halo
arctic talon
#

It’s kind of insane these people are like

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Real

viral halo
#

Crazy to think about

arctic talon
#

I say this as a STEM student

arctic talon
#

Well

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smarf you know

viral halo
#

Bring back lobotomies yk what I mean

arctic talon
scenic bolt
arctic talon
#

And they go into STEM with a superiority complex

#

But no they aren’t incredibly smart

viral halo
#

Also high functioning Autism is prevalent in STEM

arctic talon
#

They’re average

scenic bolt
#

lawyers at least got to talk to people

arctic talon
#

And then they implode upon the first group project they do

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Then again I’ve had so many shitty group projects as well since they’re just written badly lol

arctic talon
scenic bolt
#

yea honestly teaching how to work in groups was easily the largest oversight in my education

#

but 100% the most important when it comes to actually working

arctic talon
#

Some professors are really bad at doing it

#

Regarding teaching people to work in groups

viral halo
#

Group projects always turn into one person doing it anyways

arctic talon
#

Depends

#

I’ve had some where an actual work flow is developed

#

And others where uh

#

Yeah it’s one person doing all the work

scenic bolt
#

the dead weight guilts the rest into sink or swim

arctic talon
#

Lol

scenic bolt
#

it can be structured/graded appropriately but it's more work than just assigning a group of like 4 to turn in a joint paper/presentation

arctic talon
#

Tbh joint presentation and papers aren’t bad

viral halo
#

Joint paper wouldve made me kill myself in college

green loom
#

My school taught me one thing I genuinely value

#

And that's presentation/public speaking

scenic bolt
#

had one somewhat evil prof who made us do two copies of every assignment, first was done solo couple days later as an assigned group and upon turning in the group project you had to mark whether you were graded solely upon your solo attempt or group attempt

scenic bolt
green loom
#

It helps with so much tbh

#

Kinda bleeds into art too

#

The most use i've gotten out of it is still just cringing at Game reveals because the companies' PR people are horrible at their jobs

#

But I know how to present pretty well

arctic talon
#

Some PR people surprisingly lack confidence or tact

#

That I’d expect from that role

green loom
#

Or they literally don't know how to present something

#

Fkn

#

Blizzcon was a nightmare

arctic talon
#

PR people who can do all 3 are valuable

green loom
#

The only not-awful presenter they had was Metzen

crystal forum
#

there's dumb mathematicians and there's football players who can't throw

scenic bolt
#

or most of their working life theyve been presenting for budget/project proposals

#

and then got tossed out in front of a camera and crowd

crystal forum
arctic talon
#

I am an incompetent when it comes to answering stuff lol

crystal forum
#

i've seen how government granting goes

arctic talon
#

I can do presentations

#

I cannot do Q&A

#

I am so ass at it

arctic talon
rocky gale
#

My brother asked for help getting into D&D, so I sent him all the links and resources he'd need to get started for free, he ignored them and instead used D&D Beyond and is now complaining that it's asking for him to pay. I didn't even tell him to use D&D Beyond.

arctic talon
#

is he not using 5e.tools

#

or like

rocky gale
#

I sent him 5e.tools

arctic talon
#

the fucking wikidot

#

Its jover

rocky gale
#

But he ended up using D&D Beyond for some reason because "It exports to PDF for you" I already sent him a customisable PDF character sheet

scenic bolt
arctic talon
#

AAAAAAAAAAAA

#

The fucking fillable PDF is all you need

#

DnD beyond is a fucking blight

#

upon the soul

crystal forum
#

is it just me or did they change mobile discord again

rocky gale
#

"I can't pick the Feat I want because I don't own the books on D&D Beyond, what do I do?"

"Stop using D&D Beyond"

crystal forum
#

i can't find DM's anymore

scenic bolt
#

cant wait to see how wizards screws up creating a VTT and then ends up buying one of their competitors

crystal forum
#

the fuck is this

arctic talon
scenic bolt
arctic talon
#

they changed the UI again

crystal forum
#

why

arctic talon
#

"innovation"

scenic bolt
#

the real reason is actually kinda funny

crystal forum
#

do they know how many servers i have to scroll through

arctic talon
#

next

crystal forum
arctic talon
#

Foundry Virtual Tabletop my beloved

scenic bolt
crystal forum
#

idk why they'd revert it back to something else

arctic talon
#

I mean

#

reverting is admitting a mistake

#

somthing companies generally can't do lol

spring cairn
#

that's the actual reason

crystal forum
#

this is basically a reversal right?

arctic talon
#

not entierly

crystal forum
#

i see literally 0 point to changing it to this

arctic talon
#

since the new UI is "new"

#

idfk

scenic bolt
#

it's especially prevalent in the larger tech companies but if you have a stable UI that hasnt changed in 12 years and needs no major changes other than like backend maintainence then the hyper ambitious people working those jobs get stuck

crystal forum
#

i get how online media companies love to change UI to pretend like the company is working

#

but why this change

arctic talon
#

I mean the company is working

#

in a literal sense lol

#

doesn't mean its in a useful way

crystal forum
#

owning a media company is literally the easiest shit ever

#

so easy they have to pretend to solve issues

scenic bolt
#

its also derived from the bottom like I said but also from the top, cause the money wants perpetual growth and 'innovation' if they wanted stable and safe theyd've invested in an index fund

crystal forum
#

at least it's no AI generated and people are being paid i hope

#

somehow the only good side i can think of

scenic bolt
#

gonna have nightmares of AI generated UI

arctic talon
#

some of the code is prolly AI generated lol

#

then again borrowing code is so prevelant in the industry meh

crystal forum
#

yeah AI coding is just like using google but quicker lol

#

i really do feel bad for all the graphic artists who are getting fired because trashy companies think AI art can do their job

arctic talon
#

yeah

crystal forum
#

corporate art is so bland already. imagine how it'll be when it's decided by a board full of people who decide what to prompt into AI

arctic talon
#

AI alegria art

#

do you hear its screams

green loom
#

I feel sorry for the like

#

Eastern sweatshop artists who get paid pennies to make stuff for mobile games and shit

#

Like they're just gonna be gone

#

Though basically Art as a career may as well be dead for the next decade

#

Save like, commission work

crystal forum
#

as if it wasn't already hard enough to find work as an artist

arctic talon
#

WOTC is using AI art

#

💀

#

in some of their new books

green loom
#

I mean just take a look at how many art positions in companies require "experience with the use of Image Generation software"

arctic talon
#

I don't think they've used AI art for MTG cards yet though lol

#

but uh

arctic talon
green loom
#

It's distilled plagiarism

crystal forum
#

i'm wondering myself how AI will affect 3d art

green loom
#

It also fucking sucks

#

Like

crystal forum
#

so far it's too complexe for AI to do completely thankfully

green loom
#

I caught the generated crap in the Stellaris trailers immediately

crystal forum
#

i don't see what people mean by that

#

was it even confirmed that it was AI

arctic talon
#

in the trailer yeah

#

the actual art assets in game are still by the paradox artists

green loom
#

It's pretty blatant

#

But at the very least it's trained on material they own

arctic talon
#

it seems to have been a cost cutting measure

#

for the trailer

crystal forum
#

the DLC slaps though so i forgive

arctic talon
#

L A T H E

crystal forum
#

i'm so glad i got the season pass

#

so now i habe

#

THE CUBE

arctic talon
#

this is prolly the first stellaris dlc with like

#

very good reviews in general lol

crystal forum
#

yup

#

stellaris fans love to bitch

green loom
#

I think the like

#

Worst thing about AI

#

Is all the chuds using it KEKW_ogryn

arctic talon
#

its creepy

crystal forum
#

art is meaningless to some people

#

which is such a shallow way to view the world

#

all they care about is if they get neuron activation from looking at something

#

which AI art is very good at

arctic talon
#

I got my pfp called AI art

green loom
#

Shadiversity hours

arctic talon
#

💀

storm jungle
#

the only AI content i enjoy is presidents playing cod zombies

green loom
#

Oh dude I remember Krucial from when he made WoW machinimas

storm jungle
#

bro Krucial is GREAT

#

I fucking love his series, shame he disappeared, hope he comes back

green loom
#

He probably just got bored

storm jungle
#

Naw i doubt it

green loom
#

I watched him for like 10 years lol

storm jungle
#

if he was bored he wouldnt put that much effort into the AI vids

arctic talon
#

Its so sad how certian art styles are just heavily associated

#

to AI art lol

green loom
#

Back when he was called Hellscream

arctic talon
#

its unfortunate

storm jungle
#

i dont super mind it

#

because like

#

no offense to those artists

#

but generic LoL-quality art can be just 💀

#

smooth ass anime girl lookin' ah shit

green loom
#

I don't know how to explain it but like

arctic talon
#

do not insult base LoL splash arts like that 💀

green loom
#

ONce you've looked at it enough you can kinda just

arctic talon
#

skin splashes sure

green loom
#

Tell what's generated ig?

storm jungle
arctic talon
#

not the base champ art lmao

green loom
#

Like I think stable diffusion and OpenAI have like

#

A specific way they do lighting

#

And it's a very obvious tell

crystal forum
arctic talon
#

The lighting is

#

so weird on AI art

green loom
#

Yeah it's like

#

Inherently wrong

crystal forum
#

it sucks because artists spend so much time trying to learn this lol

green loom
#

Which is insane right

#

Since lighting is hard to make look good but it's very hard to make look wrong on the level that AI does it

#

Idk I'm not sure how to convey it well

arctic talon
scenic bolt
#

it's kind of funny that in some chinese animation and game companies specifically theyve fired a lot of their artists to use AI cause its cheaper, AI companies now have a large portfolio of clients and proceeded to jack up their prices so much that it became cheaper to breach contract and rehire artists

arctic talon
#

the cycle

green loom
#

Also a lawsuit against AI using other peoples' stuff got won recently smarf

#

So uh

#

Once that gets into fashion

#

There's going to be a lot of that happening lol

#

Dude imagine

scenic bolt
#

the getty and RIAA ones'll be the make or break

green loom
#

Nintendo checks the Stable Diffusion database

#

Finds like

#

Pokemon content

snow fern
#

Who knew scalping artwork would be fucking illegal!!!
Who could’ve ever forsaw this?

green loom
#

Immediately sues any company that used it

scenic bolt
#

cause getty and RIAA have entire law firms on retainer

arctic talon
#

your honor

storm jungle
arctic talon
#

Nintendo lawyers

storm jungle
#

like uh

#

extremely generic fantasy RPG phone ad shit

green loom
#

Mobile Legends and shit

storm jungle
arctic talon
#

Mobile legends bang bang

snow fern
#

The generic anime girl #7583764

arctic talon
snow fern
#

I’m glad I quit league

arctic talon
#

come back its fun grab

snow fern
#

No

#

I’m 5 years sober

arctic talon
#

dang

#

prolly for the best

#

lol

green loom
#

I feel like any laws won't pass just because of the bloodbath that'd follow

snow fern
#

If I wanna hate myself I can play Dota and Silencer or Rubick, make other people hate themselves instead

arctic talon
#

LOL

snow fern
#

Let me know when League gets Ability Draft as a gamemode

green loom
#

But I figure companies who are crazy about copyright like Nintendo are going to go apeshit once they get caught up

storm jungle
#

Id say not but

#

Nintendo literally last month had every nintendo related mod in L4D2 workshop from over 20 years nuked

#

so

arctic talon
#

Nintendo Death Squads

green loom
#

Yeah like

arctic talon
#

when

green loom
#

At best

#

All it'll take is one cocky idiot

#

Some suit who wants to cash in on a pokemon esque game

crystal forum
#

thing with nintendo is they're just a japanese company

#

japanese laws are very strict on stuff like this

#

copyright laws are bullshit anyways and made in favour of what's essentially corporate landlords

storm jungle
#

Ok but have they tried exploding.

green loom
#

Kill

crystal forum
#

there needs to be a democratically elected person in the government who's entire job is punching politicians in the face at their own discretion

#

i bet you voter attendance for the punching official would be 99%

rapid ravine
#

theyd probably all die at their average age tbh

crystal forum
#

the position adds an age limit to congress then. two birds with one stone

storm jungle
#

too many punches to the face...

green loom
#

Nosebleed induced exsanguination

tough haven
#

Admech core

warm_like_flesh.png
#

Oh wait I thought it said it is not “your” flesh

viral halo
#

erebased

young pecan
#

Flesh... good?

tough haven
#

Well it never said that

gray umbra
rose thorn
#

Hey does anyone have those pictures of genestealer horses?

#

There was an ancient ass model of it but I can’t find it

#

And I think there was art?

gray umbra
#

these things?

rose thorn
#

YEAH

arctic talon
gray umbra
rose thorn
#

‘Yeah it’s another character’ but that’s kinda our gimmick now lmao

arctic talon
#

I kinda love him lol

gray umbra
#

His brain is large

rose thorn
arctic talon
#

They mentioned him having anti tank

rose thorn
#

Ah, a psyker bomb then lol

#

Just go like

radiant lance
snow fern
#

Yah he's retired at Malibu

plush mason
#

in both movie and comic version he fucks over the dude's plan for "world peace" by breaking the story about what truly happened thus making it so said peace cant last

#

the watchmen comics are a wild story

vivid goblet
rose thorn
radiant lance
#

Yeah Rorschach

plush mason
#

place was bleak as hell

rose thorn
#

And look where that got him

plush mason
#

who was Oz again?

rose thorn
#

Guy with the cat

plush mason
#

i guess he wasnt in the movie

rose thorn
#

He

#

Was

#

I can’t spell his fucking name but

#

I only read the graphic novel, the uh, movie outfit sure is a thing

plush mason
#

oh him

winged jacinth
#

Tfw you're the worlds smartest man but computers exist

plush mason
#

the big bad that killed a shit ton of people to make "world peace"

winged jacinth
#

And blue god

plush mason
#

only to get said plan fucked over by a dude in trench coat

winged jacinth
#

a true classic line
"The world's smartest man means as much to me as the world's smartest termite" makes you explode

rose thorn
#

He based his plan off a movie

#

Literally in lore

#

There is a real life movie where ||scientists make a fake alien invasion to stop the cold war||

plush mason
rose thorn
#

And he said ‘I’ll do that but better’

rose thorn
#

UTS SO GOOD

plush mason
#

yes

rose thorn
#

‘I did the right thing didn’t I?’

#

leaves
‘Huh?!’

#

That is the worst possible fate you can leave for the smartest man in the world, an unsolvable question

winged jacinth
#

i also like the ||"yess i defeated dr manhattan" "no actually i exist permanently backwards and forwards in time or whatever sorry"||

plush mason
#

Rorschach got the last laugh in the end, what a great way to finish the story

winged jacinth
#

i gotta read watchmen again

#

been forever

rose thorn
#

Also the dramatization has been pirated on YouTube for years

winged jacinth
#

watching it is more time than i probably want to spend, unless i can get my friends to watch it

rose thorn
#

Fair

rapid ravine
#

why does khorne kill psykers if he needs psykers to make into demons

celest dome
#

He doesn't need Psyker to make into Daemons

#

Though they do use them to summon Daemons in real space

#

So they are used, but aren't celebrated like the normal people

#

Also it's starting to go away, like it's kinda stupid lore, hating Sorcerer should remain though

snow fern
#

Khorne thinks magic is for nerds, but summoning people to the murder party is a okay

orchid lark
#

As long as the blood flows and skulls are taken

celest dome
#

Psyker and Magister of Khorne should exist, but they should have rules where if they cast from "safe" distances they get punished and stuff

raven stone
#

Also Khorne does not hate psykers enough to overlook opportunities, pretty much.

#

Like if a psyker randomly started to worship him/picked up a Khorne artefact, Khorne is more than happy to say “eh, you will do”

#

It’s just Khorne slowly corrupts said individual into a non-psyker, ironically enough.

#

(Biggest example: Azariah Kyras)

#

Also also, if a non-aligned psyker turns into a warp portal, Khorne demons aren’t picky about the breach either.

celest dome
raven stone
#

No and yes and no?
GW has not been fully on either side of that. But Blood Ravens do show up in the codex and other media with their post DoW2 war cry

#

(Or motto)

#

But ultimately I just feel it makes a bit more sense

#

Demons may be picky but they are not…well, stupid.

celest dome
#

Eating Psyker is always fun, and different from using or allowing Sorcerer to pledge themselves to Khorne

raven stone
#

Yea, it probably doesn’t help that (until very recently with Dark Heresy publications) the line between psyker and sorcery is not well defined by lore

#

Probably more accurate to say Khorne dislikes sorcery in particular.

celest dome
#

The line has always been very well explained

raven stone
#

Summoning Demons is the weird middle ground between the two.
Ok fair, yea. Morning brain moment.

celest dome
#

Psyker and Magister use the Raw Chaos, Sorcery depend on using deals with "sentient" Warp Denizen

#

Faith magic is Sorcery but Psyker and Magister isn't

orchid lark
#

I always thought that Khornate psykers could exist but because of who they worshipped they decided to just constantly cast hand axe and sword instead

#

They become indistinguishable from any other khornate worshipper

green loom
#

Oh hey potential reveals today?

celest dome
sacred wadi
#

Hey guys, can someone give a me quick run down of what happened to Cadia?
last time i looked at the table top, 6th edition ruleset had just released and Abbadon's 13th Black Crusade was happening for years (irl) at that point. Cadia was still holding. But i noticed Cadia is like, destroyed in darktide.

#

also second question: i noticed in character creation 2 eye colors are only available to Cadian homeworlders - can anyone explain the lore behind that?

green loom
#

Cadians have purple eyes due to their proximity to the eye of terror

sacred wadi
#

ah i see, so just warp effects

green loom
#

Also you just about missed the Gathering Storm campaign

#

That concluded 6th/started 7th

#

I think

#

Might've concluded 7th idr

sacred wadi
#

did cadia fall when 7th ruleset was introduced?

green loom
#

It was destroyed during Gathering Storm

gray umbra
#

Cadia exploded and the eye of terror split the universe in two

sacred wadi
#

this is also before the whole Dark Imperium arc and Roboute Gulliman was ressurected - does Darktide occur with Guilliman alive?

green loom
#

Leads directly into it

#

Guilliman is revived in Gathering Storm 3

sacred wadi
green loom
#

No there's a literal scar across the galaxy

sacred wadi
green loom
green loom
#

Since the Indomitus crusade is ongoing

sacred wadi
#

ok so Darktide takes place after Gathering Storm/7th edition but before Guilliman is revived?

green loom
#

After

#

The characters mention guilliman being back sometimes

queen laurel
#

Yeah one of the voice lines is talking about his return we

#

We're basically at the beginning of the indomitus crusade

sacred wadi
#

Oooohhh ok, so Darktide is set during the Dark Imperium arc

green loom
#

We dunno the exact timeframe

#

Just vaguely after The Crusade starts

sacred wadi
#

is everything in the Imperius Ninhilus on that map, just like lost to chaos?

green loom
#

Nope, but it's cut off

sacred wadi
#

jeepers, that must suck, how do those worlds survive without a direct line to Terra etc?

green loom
#

There is a line to Terra but it's contested

#

The Nachmund Gauntlet

#

Otherwise theyre just trying to hold on

#

Biggest holdout is probably Baal and the surrounding systems

sacred wadi
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the homeworlds we get to choose in darktide, are they all part of the same solar system? Moebius or soemthing?

gray umbra
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Its like when the roman empire started to fall apart. But you have dante and lion el johnson on the imperium nihilus side iirc

green loom
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They're mostly all part of the Moebian domain yeah

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Save for Cadia

sacred wadi
gray umbra
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He woke up yeah

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Tywin lannister lookin ass

sacred wadi
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ok wait, so. . . does Roboute Gulliman know his "brother" is alive?

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do they even get along?

green loom
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Yeah he's back

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sacred wadi
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did El Johnson get to visit the Emperor and commune with him like Gulliman was able to?

green loom
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Nop

sacred wadi
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damn

green loom
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He's stuck in Nihilus atm

gray umbra
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Lion has been recruiting the fallen

sacred wadi
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who ar the fallen?

gray umbra
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At least the non chaos ones

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The dark angel ogs

hard quail
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they ever reveal any information about the "conversation" gulliman had with the emperor? i have not kept up with 40k lore in several months

green loom
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They were tagging along with Luther

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Got teleported around space and time

sacred wadi
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thats enough questions for now, i appreciate the lord keepers 🙏

sacred wadi
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fans have copiumed that the Emperor, having been clinging to life and trying to hold the Warp Travel stuff together (for over 10k years), barely had the time to take a moment and even address Guilliman

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whats the warp stuff called? the path way that the emperor keeps open?

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ah "The Emperor's Tarot"

He is said to still guide His race through the psychically-reactive divination tool known as the Emperor's Tarot, which select psykers can consult to gain a glimpse of the future and the Emperor's will.

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Wait nevermind, im thinking of the **Astronomincon **

The Golden Throne is also connected to a massive psychic beacon known as the Astronomican, which makes faster-than-light travel possible for Imperial starships outfitted with a Warp-Drive by generating a telepathic signal by which the specialised mutant psykers known as Navigators are able to navigate through Warpspace.

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basically: The Emperor is wearing a lot of hats, and stretched very thin. so when Guilliman met with him, he was just like "do this and this, no go" type vibe

green loom
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I dunno about the throne room proper but we get a full scene with Bobby and Emps in godblight

crisp heath
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The Emperor is literally insane

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He spoke in a thousand voices and they all had different emotions and he basically alternated between calling Guilliman a failure and trying to convince him he loved him

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Guilliman walks away from it deciding the Emperor is a monster

tough haven
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But the thing is, there’s literally no substance, it just says a ton of emotions but isn’t like “hey, here’s what I want you to do”

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If he gave a bunch of conflicting commands after that exchange, I would think the interaction was cooler

sacred wadi
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i was going off of this info evidenced in the comments section:

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coarse pumice
hard quail
green loom
queen laurel
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Oh boy

green loom
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I'm going to kill fatshark

celest dome
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Cause they didn't do much ?

queen laurel
green loom
celest dome
green loom
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I'm just mildly annoyed because it feels like they run Vermintide more like a live service game than they do darktide

spring cairn
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communication diff

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one team is better at it

celest dome
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More like 1 game has most of it's game sorted out after 7 years, the other not as much

queen laurel
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Well I'm just waiting for the game i've been waiting for

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Sad to see that dark tide seems to be lacking in the skulls today huh

queen laurel
celest dome
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A lot

queen laurel
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On the money

celest dome
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And I quite fear that some will try to run up a new witch hunt on Strawhat

queen laurel
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Always with the witch hunts

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Yeah i bet it's going to be a considerable wave of noisy annoying people again

celest dome
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I really want FS Support and the wardens to simply clean up the forum at this point

spring cairn
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the problem is ppl won't catch the actual real announcement that matters

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the blog post

celest dome
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Not like the blog post is any good
https://forums.fatsharkgames.com/t/skulls-2024-summary-announcing-secrets-of-the-machine-god-june-25-2024/94891

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Devoted Rejects, Today, during Warhammer Skulls 2024, we teased Secrets of the Machine God, the new free update coming to Warhammer 40,000: Darktide. We also launched Darktide’s first in-game event Hestia’s Decollation Crusade. Watch the Secrets of the Machine God Teaser Trailer on YouTube Warhammer 40,000: Darktide - Secrets of the Machine ...

spring cairn
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i mean it says 10 times more than the teaser

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because it mentions itemization rework and new weapons

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ppl will just look at the teaser and go

celest dome
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Still mean that nothing for the whole month

spring cairn
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1 map that's it

green loom
tough haven
green loom
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Yeah

tough haven
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Praise the Omnissiah!

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I hope its more tactical in xcom style instead of "walk up and hit the guy, and die if you cant hit better than him"

green loom
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Also we got a look at Space Marine 2 customization

tough haven
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I felt like you had few options in mechanicus

green loom
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You can wear all the Primaris variants

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And the cosmetic bits over them are

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Extensive

green loom
tough haven
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is it multiplayer?