40k-lore-chat

[bold wren]

Caedo

I mixed them up.

Whoops.

Malum Caedo is the doom guy of the ultramarines seems way too angry to die.

[green loom]

Uriel Ventris gets up to some freaky shit

[bold wren]

Do you think Malum Caedo might get exiled.

I mean considering.

Then again he was following orders of the Adeptus Mechanius

Or something like that. Despite his other battle brothers died. At best he was just trying to survive.

I played the game but that is all I remember.

[green loom]

The lady in the intro is inquisition

[bold wren]

Oh

Hold on the necrons are just green lantern?

At least with c'tan shards.

[green loom]

Well, no, they're pretty emotionless

[bold wren]

I mean with how imagination is their limit.

Or is that the c'tan.

That have such powers despite they eat planets.

[green loom]

More ctan tbh

[bold wren]

The c'tan aren't dead they are shattered like the God Emperor himself.

Jailed eternally in shards.

As they can never truly die and just be split into several shards.

[radiant lance]

I wish someone would do that to me 😦

[orchid lark]

The joker in the arkham games is the opposite

Became shards and infected others

[hallow basin]

https://tenor.com/view/live-jonkler-reaction-joker-batman-arkham-man-gif-17809721599016283530

[bold wren]

The tau casually reminding me of avatar.

With their caste systems.

[orchid lark]

Nah the Tau stole the Caste system from the hit Young Adult series Divergent

Talking bout Avatar. Its just blue people.

[bold wren]

The other one

[celest dome]

The one with the element bender ? Doesn't really have a caste system

[bold wren]

I know but it just reminded me of them.

I see a lot of misconceptions about kasrkins as they're better then stormtroopers.

But people keep saying they're worse and the same level which is untruthful.

[orchid lark]

Stormtroopers helped blow planets up, Kasrkin had their own planet blown up

[celest dome]

Scions are better equipped but training wise they are roughly the same

[bold wren]

Well no.

[celest dome]

Well yes

Karskin aren't unique

[rocky gale]

Scions and Kasrkin are basically the same thing, Kasrkin are just a Regiment specific version of Scions

[celest dome]

An example of Scion impressing a SM Captain https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/9r662v/excerptechoes_of_the_long_warthe_tempestus_scions/

[rocky gale]

and I know tabletop isn't always a great reference, but their statline is basically identical

Except Kasrkin have Scout, while Scions have Deep Strike

[paper haven]

I understand Kasrkin and Scions to be among the best examples of human combatants in the setting. Is that incorrect?

[rocky gale]

Amongst the Guard for sure

[celest dome]

Non augmented basically yes

Navy Breacher are possibly on the same level I'd say

[rocky gale]

The issue comes from Scions being a later addition than Kasrkin and the new lore saying "Kasrkin are a type of Scion" where old lore would go on about how Kasrkin were best of the best and no one was close to them.

But the new lore is they're just variations of the same thing, with some planets having their own versions of Scion

While the Scions themselves are the more generic default version

[paper haven]

An interesting change, though with Cadia being destroyed I suppose it makes sense

[celest dome]

Stormtrooper
-> Scions
-> Regimental Stormtropper
-> (Chaos) Shocktrooper

[paper haven]

Shocktroopers?

[rocky gale]

Na Shocktroopers aren't Chaos

[paper haven]

Are those like traitor guard or something?

[rocky gale]

They're Severan Dominate

Who are secessionist, but not Chaos

[paper haven]

Ah. Has that whole thing been resolved yet?

[rocky gale]

Not really

We probably won't hear about them again tbh

Which is sad

[celest dome]

Though the name had already been used for Chaos Stormtrooper too

[paper haven]

Aw that's a shame. It was a pretty cool situation.

[rocky gale]

They were made for Only War and the FFG TTRPG's, so yea probably won't hear from them again

[paper haven]

Sadness.

[bold wren]

Cadian Shock Troopers are regular Cadians.

[orchid lark]

I think that the Mordians have strom troopers too, theyre the Mordian Grenadiers right?

Kriegs as well had their Grenadier corp which was fheir storm trooper equivalents

Because back then if an imperial guard unit had like carapace armour they were Stormtrooper equivalents

[celest dome]

Catachan Devils

[rocky gale]

Oh, only 4 Detatchments in the Sororitas Codex

[orchid lark]

They oil themselves up to get that carapace strength skin

[bold wren]

So like the custodes in the Emperor Had Text To Speech.

[green loom]

What if the bully ogryn is an eye of the emperor

[rocky gale]

The Daughters of the Emperor became the Emperors Brides, what did Goge Vandire mean by this?

[storm jungle]

E-Girls...

[rocky gale]

Beware the daughter to bride pipeline

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

Im so excited for gsc getting 4 model releases

That new hero
The new fucked stealers
The new upgrade sprue
And the brood bothers sprue

Probably gonna get that killteam and the old gsc combat patrol

[rocky gale]

GSC are eating too good compared to Sisters

[rose thorn]

And I quite like the new combat patrol for vehicle forced armies

[rose thorn]

To be honest, yeah

But

[rocky gale]

The Battleforce comparison is kind of a joke

[rose thorn]

Sisters is thematic at least

Their box

It’s, flight themed?

[rocky gale]

16 flying models and a mortar tank

Very thematic

[rose thorn]

Holy shit

It’s so bad

I just looked at it again

At least the new combat patrol is better

[rocky gale]

They should have done it as a Saints and Sinners box with Seraphim and Repentia

But GW is allergic to good ideas

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[rocky gale]

GSC get two squads of 10, a squad of 5, 2 HQ's and 2 vehicles

Sisters get 3 squads of 5, an HQ and 1 vehicle

[rose thorn]

2 hqs? Oh like

Kitbash an icon

Fucker

[rocky gale]

Na the GSC box comes with the new HQ and an Abominant

[rose thorn]

OH

I DIDNT EVEN SEE HIM

[rocky gale]

Yea

[rose thorn]

I have a feeling the new hero will be pretty bad

[rocky gale]

Atleast she looks cool

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[rocky gale]

I wish my brain was that big

[rose thorn]

Honestly any gsc box and the new killteam box

And you have the framework for any gsc ameh

Army*

‘New’ as in hasn’t released

You get a brood bothers, and 3 hqs

[rocky gale]

I saw someone online calculated the point cost for the Sisters Battleforce box and apparently it's lower than some Combat Patrols

[rose thorn]

AUGEWUDHAHDHAHSJ

That’s so terrible

Good news is in like 4 months it’s gonna be dirt cheap on Amazon

[rocky gale]

Maybe not, apparently the recent Battleforce boxes have all been ridiculously low supply

With some major 3rd party stores only getting 2 or 3 total

[rose thorn]

Idk anywhere else

But there are loads in the US

Even shit from last Christmas

Even many of the old space marine boxes

[rocky gale]

It must be completely different in the US

In the UK they're incredibly rare

[rose thorn]

Yeah

vpn cough

[rocky gale]

Some old boxes sell for like £200+ on Ebay

[rose thorn]

Jesus

Also American Chaos Knight Players war dogs are on Amazon

Back in stock

Cadia stands

From 170

The ork one is fucked one left at 300

Lmao

[rocky gale]

Star Wars isn't really losing interest though

[rose thorn]

The thing is, warhammer is still a niche hobby, which isn’t bad or anything. It’s like 200 dollars to get started honestly

So it’s not really uh

Made to appeal

[rocky gale]

"People are losing interest in Star Wars" is just a right wing talking point, it's still massively successful/profitable

[rose thorn]

People will always like starwars, it basically made scifi like known to people outside of star trek fans

[rocky gale]

Star Wars still dominates in nerd culture

and in pop culture

[rose thorn]

Also I doubt dune will last much longer in the mainstream eye tbh, movies were good but it doenst have the same like motion as starwars

It’s hard to explain why starwars will always dominate

[rocky gale]

Ironic because the Dune novels were to the modern Science Fiction Genre, as Lord of the Rings was to Fantasy.

[green loom]

It's going to be this week's "not great but okay I guess" scifi pulp show

"DW guys I only expect it to outperform one of the biggest hits this year"

It won't hit fallout heights

Maybe like, invincible levels if that

[rocky gale]

What?

[green loom]

It's unlikely to be any established story

[rocky gale]

Yea, an isolated story that's not an adaptation would make sense to test the waters

[green loom]

Most non book/model stuff is typically self contained ye

Exception being like a Hammer and Bolter episode or two

And Pariah Nexus

But those are both very much in-house

[rocky gale]

I propose the show be about the Severan Dominate, this is a very logical decision which everyone will love.

[green loom]

The only thing I have on my wishlist is for an AK to be used as an autogun

[storm jungle]

Most realistic take.

I really dont understand why people dont realise 40k is not obsessed with by the wider public.

and prob wont be for at least another 5-10 years

or even longer idk, im trying to be optimistic

[green loom]

I doubt it'll ever be?

But that's not really a problem

[storm jungle]

Yeah same, i just didnt wanna be rude lol

[green loom]

It sits in a nice lil comfy spot

[storm jungle]

40k was not really made for mass-media consumption ye

its made to appeal to a wide array of specific people, which is mostly entirely done for monetary reasons.

[green loom]

It's a miniatures game and not a mass-media brand if that makes sense ig

Like Star Wars was a movie first and everything else after

[storm jungle]

Yeah like 40k has its own kind of mindless consumerism

but that slop-consumption is for warhammer kind of fans if that makes sense lol

Its never going to be as popular as other sci-fi media

[rocky gale]

Bro a bird just flew into my room

[storm jungle]

I had a bat flew into mine once

💀

[green loom]

Did you pet it

[storm jungle]

Or cook it

[rocky gale]

No it landed on my desk, looked at me and then flew away again

[green loom]

You have been chosen by the Ambigous Avian God/Godess of your choice

[storm jungle]

Lucky bastard

[rocky gale]

Not again

I had a strange cat climb into my room one time, I forgot to close the window before going to bed and woke up with it just laying on me.

[queen laurel]

we had birds smashing in the window and breaking their faces like Sanguinus once

i forgot how many times it happened at this point

[green loom]

This is some disney ass shit

Did you keep it

[queen laurel]

i swear if you let it go

[rocky gale]

Na, it freaked out once it realised I was awake and sprinted out of the room

[green loom]

lmao

[rocky gale]

Never saw it again

[queen laurel]

damn it

in the first place why did it even decide to just sleep next to you

Cat be Catting i guess

[green loom]

Warm

[rocky gale]

I do be warm

[queen laurel]

Fair Assesment

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-slide-floor-gif-5458147

[queen laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/screaming-cat-cat-screaming-black-cat-meme-memes-2023-gif-5774825797503791230

[thorn zenith]

Cats are weird, and evil

They purely get around by being too cute for humans to punish them

[snow fern]

A cat jumped on me to be pet then proceeded to dig its claws into my leg for no reason while being pet.
Very confusing behavior

[rose thorn]

hey whats a good weird bone color

[outer wave]

Greenish-white?

Blue-ish white?

[storm jungle]

might be better to ask in #40k-minis-and-armies

they got some good experts there

[rose thorn]

sorrry i thought this was minis whoops

[rose thorn]

please dont obliterate me for my sins agsinst 40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

[coarse tree]

Who would have had the more impressive technology between peak humanity and the Necron?

[spring cairn]

the necrons

[queen laurel]

Necrons

[dusk patrol]

Depends on the tech we’ve seen, generally Necrons

But they focused on different areas

[spring cairn]

golden age humanity is cracked make no mistake

[dusk patrol]

Especially after the biotransference

[spring cairn]

but war in heaven necrons probably 2 tiers above

[dusk patrol]

Ancient humanity also wasn’t one thing like the Necrons were mostly

[coarse tree]

It is one crazy power feat for the Necrons to have overthrown the Ctan so I imagine they would have to be wayyyyy up there

[queen laurel]

their basic guns literally obliterate the atomic structure of a target

[dusk patrol]

Ancient humanity had similar guns during the DAoT

[spring cairn]

golden age humanity could probably do that yeah

no problem

[dusk patrol]

Adriatic weapons and all that

[rose thorn]

It’s weird that eldar’s everything is made of the same material

[rocky gale]

Adrathic weapons are like top tier super secret relics, Emperor said "These are all mine" and didn't let anyone else have it

[queen laurel]

you mean warp stuff that got shaped by singing?

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[crisp heath]

It's not, wraithbone is very common but they have other materials, including both normal elements and other psychic elements

[dusk patrol]

They weren’t during the dark age

[rocky gale]

Oh yea

[dusk patrol]

They were by the GC era

[crisp heath]

It's like saying everything humans have is one material because we use a lot of plastic

[storm jungle]

Necrons were way beyond DAOT humanity, the lore goes out of its way to say their technology is so advanced it looks like magic.

Most DAOT tech we've seen is very "basic" advanced sci-fi shit

[dusk patrol]

Like I said the main difference is DAoT humanity wasn’t one big faction

Necrons were mostly

[crisp heath]

Necrons literally draw symbols on the floor that fuck with physics, their tech is basically wizardry

[dusk patrol]

Necron super weapons are where the bigger gaps show

[storm jungle]

A basic necron cryptek can also just wave his hand and turn you into a gold statue.

[rose thorn]

Oh I was under the impression like all their armor and guns and vehicles were made of wrathe bolt

Bone

[dusk patrol]

And even then there’s some comparisons to make, also it’s kept intentionally unclear what each had

[rose thorn]

ITS THE BEST

[storm jungle]

It generally is.

Eldar use other building materials but 90% of it is wraithbone

[coarse tree]

Isn't the whole jist of the Imperium that they see DAoT tech as barely conceivable and god like?

[dusk patrol]

A lot of Necrons most powerful stuff is still kept mysterious

[storm jungle]

The Imperium venerates their tech but calls it the "dark age" due to deeming that era of humanity as foolish

[dusk patrol]

Basically

Archeotech is very broad though

[celest dome]

F# Balatazar Gelt

[queen laurel]

necrons basically embody this quote to the point that's its actually magic

[storm jungle]

pretty much

Necrons get nerfed a lot

[rose thorn]

Yet all alien tech fails under the might of the humble power tools

[storm jungle]

otherwise they'd steamroll most of their engagements lol

[crisp heath]

Tachyon arrows in lore vs on the tabletop

[storm jungle]

Me when mining laser decapitates custodes

[queen laurel]

yeah like they are slow to wake up

[dusk patrol]

Necrons do steamroll most of their engagements

[storm jungle]

Yes when it doesnt matter

like any codex-blurb

[crisp heath]

Tachyon arrows can and do level mountains, on the tabletop they kinda hurt marines

[dusk patrol]

Their actual clean losses are almost non existent

[storm jungle]

World Engine Moment

[dusk patrol]

Even that wasn’t the Imperium

It was the power struggle within mostly

[storm jungle]

It was literally space marines dismantling it

that "necrons infight" thing is literally in every conflict

[dusk patrol]

What destroyed the World Engine?

[rose thorn]

The fact the canonical basically Demi gods get bodied by a horde of miners is the most 40k shit ever

[storm jungle]

A fart definitely

[storm jungle]

I will never forget that one tabletop image

where like

its some GSC fighting the void dragon

[rose thorn]

I love the gene stealer cults so so so much

[storm jungle]

on official material lmao

[rose thorn]

hhavdiavdiAHGSSJGDJS

[storm jungle]

also FORGOT MY TOAST IN THE MICROWAVE

[dusk patrol]

The C’tan within which a Necron lord who was pissed as the dynasty controlling it helped the Marines release. Most of the fight is the Necrons fighting and the marines are way over their heads

[crisp heath]

Why the fuck are you microwaving toast

[dusk patrol]

They do very little the whole conflict

[crisp heath]

Microwaving toast literally borders on something I would post

[dusk patrol]

The Necron lord just takes advantage of them being a distraction

[queen laurel]

the machine god watched

[dusk patrol]

Toast?

In a microwave?

Disgusting

[rocky gale]

If the Necrons were smart they'd use Entropic lances to speed up aging on all their enemies but not kill them, then just leave and have the Imperium stuck with millions of senile old Guardsmen they have to deal with.

[arctic talon]

the imperium would just kill them

ngl

[rocky gale]

Obviously

[crisp heath]

Why didn't the post-transferrence necrons just dig up an already dead necrontyr that never got turned to metal and use its DNA to make a clone if they want to revive their flesh so much

[dusk patrol]

Of they could just do what they do already

And shoot them

[rocky gale]

But the Imperium would have to devote more Guardsmen to the task of killing them, then the Necrons come back and make them old as well

[dusk patrol]

That’s

Not how it works

[rocky gale]

A never ending snowball of old people

[crisp heath]

Hrud tactics

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

The Hrud are already that

[rocky gale]

Hrud superiority strikes again then

[green loom]

Addressed in infinite and the divine I think

[crisp heath]

"I went to the planet that makes you old"
"THE PLANET DOES NOT MAKE YOU OLD"
"I went to the planet and it made me old"
"Where's this planet, I'm going to go check it out"
"It will make you old"
"IT WILL NOT MAKE ME OLD"
...
"What happened"
"The planet made me old"

[rocky gale]

You get it

[arctic talon]

me when plot of The Infinite and The Divine

lul

[rose thorn]

i think i get the refence?

[crisp heath]

@rose thorn https://youtu.be/etaA94eM2AE?si=-1PAXXpNGB8meQg6

[rocky gale]

Step 1: Make Guardsmen old
Step 2: Imperium have to send New Guardsmen to dispose of the Old Guardsmen
Step 3: Repeat

[dusk patrol]

I’ve heard a lot of dumb ideas before

This one is impressively so though

[rose thorn]

Oh lik,e that movie

OHHHHHHHHHH

sorry im a dumbass

[rocky gale]

Many great minds were not appreciated in their times

I need not receive the acclaim of man, history shall know the wisdom of my words.

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-sure-jan-sarcastic-brady-bunch-gif-11590179

This is my favorite mean girl gif ever unrelated

Nailed it decades ago, everyone else is trying to catch up.

[coarse tree]

Is there any lore points where the Chaos Gods acknowledge or mention the Ctan? Like how Khorne or one of them might view a Ctan?

[arctic talon]

They don't care

[dusk patrol]

None that I can recall, we don’t really get the chaos gods thoughts on stuff much anyways

[arctic talon]

^

the chaos gods aren't really characters

[rocky gale]

I looked it up and some people on Reddit seem to think Ctan could kill the Chaos Gods

[dusk patrol]

Some people on Reddits parents played hacky sack with them when they were babies

[rocky gale]

I wish I had that excuse

[queen laurel]

it's reddit, unless it's a specific problem they won't help with anything

[dusk patrol]

It’s just a not a relevant discussion the C’tan don’t affect the warp and we haven’t seen chaos be an issue for them dealing with chaos in reality

[outer wave]

Thinking on it, I'd imagine both would be at an impasse, since the C'tan were essentially gods but for realspace, something chaos has to struggle to get into

[dusk patrol]

It’s like asking if the sun could destroy the concept of love

[outer wave]

Well if you throw the sun at a civilization, it technically does

[dusk patrol]

No

[outer wave]

A concept only lives for as long as people think of it

[dusk patrol]

Based on what?

[outer wave]

Based on deez

NUTS

Man I was late on that

[rocky gale]

Okay, but could a billion lions destroy the concept of love?

[young pecan]

Fathomably

[paper haven]

Probably, the concept of love is extremely fragile, it turns out.

[rocky gale]

Yoooo more Dark Oath

and Krethusa is getting her individual release

[rose thorn]

DO HYPE

[rocky gale]

[rose thorn]

So so very hyped for 4 gsc releases soon

[bold wren]

The c'tan aren't able to be killed and only shattered but if the God Emperor cannot kill chaos what makes you think the C'tan will.

I mean maybe daemons but the chaos god themselves?

[dusk patrol]

They literally killed one

[bold wren]

It's not dead. They're like the immortal from invincible you can cut them apart but it isn't truly death.

[celest dome]

The Flayer one is pretty much dead

[bold wren]

Well yes and no.

[celest dome]

Though didn't one of the C'tan eat some of the other

[celest dome]

Explain the no then

[bold wren]

So they cannot be outright killed.

[celest dome]

Then explain the Flayer

[bold wren]

So they shattered them instead in fragments.

[celest dome]

Yes most C'tan were made into shards

But the Flayer one wasn't

[bold wren]

Unless you use c'tan against them.

They're not really killable.

Unless you have well god killing weapons.

[dusk patrol]

Dude

Please actually read this stuff

Before commenting

They killed one

[green loom]

Yeah the Flayer is specifically noted as ded

[dusk patrol]

The weapons used to destroy it ended up fucking up reality though

So they didn’t do that again

[storm jungle]

The Flayer literally knew it was about to die yeah, its the entire reason why he made the aptly named curse on the necrons as a last "fuck you"

[dusk patrol]

Also they’re more fun to use as power sources and slaves

Better fuck you to them

[storm jungle]

Skincoat Moment

[celest dome]

Still wondering what the "destroyer curse" they mentioned at some point

[storm jungle]

Its a degradation of the self, its not C'tan inflicted

very much just necron cyberpsycho'ism

[dusk patrol]

It’s when Necrons wake up and the first thing they think is

[storm jungle]

literally me

but yeah it just has a " curse" like the Flayer one because it sounds cool

this one just is mentally inflicted

[storm jungle]

also late but I THINK theres like 2-3 more dead C'tan

but they are like literal footnotes or made up for novels/short stories

so not that important lol

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6esCf3C8PE&t=4s&ab_channel=EarthSurvivors

Chaos diomedes

[storm jungle]

Command and Conquer lookin' ass

[green loom]

I think the composer worked on the game?

It's the forgotten Petroglyph game

[bold wren]

Almost like all the AI in cyberpunk wants you dead.

[storm jungle]

its like a universe

at war...

[celest dome]

Those eaten by one of the C'tan right ?

[storm jungle]

[bold wren]

Why the blackwall exists

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah that too

but again super foot-note C'tan

im sure the lexi has them cited

lmao

[bold wren]

The deceiver

[storm jungle]

Deciever's alive

[bold wren]

Surprised they kept him alive.

[storm jungle]

well he has a mini

[celest dome]

Think there isn't any other C'tan that died to the Necron other than the Flayer right ?
Haven't kept up to Necron lore

[storm jungle]

even if its not Him-him

[storm jungle]

There realistically would be.

[bold wren]

The void dragon wasn't shattered but we don't know the state of it.

[storm jungle]

C'tan were dozens+

[bold wren]

Just the Eldar are worried it might wake up.

[celest dome]

Void Dragon is shattered

[dusk patrol]

All of them are

[bold wren]

Well about that

[storm jungle]

Yeah what he said

[celest dome]

Though the one that survived were all shattered

[dusk patrol]

No not about that

They’re all shattered

[storm jungle]

atm uh only the Deciever that we know is trying to bring himself back

[dusk patrol]

Some are less shattered

[storm jungle]

and that one other cunt Cawl banished

forgot his name, was something cheesy af

[celest dome]

Nightbringer ?

[storm jungle]

Nah it was an original C'tan for the novel

[dusk patrol]

The Void Dragon might have had or have a large shard on Mars

But we don’t even know that technically

[bold wren]

More sentient then your average shard.

[green loom]

Yeah whatever's in the Vaults on mars is anyone's guess

[storm jungle]

C'tan lore, much like themselves and their shards; is all over the place

[dusk patrol]

It’s also ok for stuff to not be explained to us completely

For once

[bold wren]

The old ones did survive but the creation of chaos killed the rest of them off.

[storm jungle]

Yeah the C'tan are inconsistent for the sake of homebrewing

[dusk patrol]

We have no idea about this

[storm jungle]

allows people to either have shards or have their own original C'tans

[dusk patrol]

The Old Ones fate is unclear

[bold wren]

Imagine surviving just to die to space hell.

[celest dome]

Wasn't it the Enslaver plague that killed of the Old Ones ?

[dusk patrol]

We just know they don’t seem to be around anymore

[storm jungle]

A large majority

[bold wren]

I mean knowing the chaos gods I won't be surprised if they died. But then again some of the Eldar gods are still alive.

[storm jungle]

the Old Ones prob got survivors but for now they are gone-gone since their entire purpose is to be Precursor Race trope

so atm their presence doesnt matter

until we need another mcguffin subplot

Vashtorr pretty much does this with the Arks of Omen event

[bold wren]

Or they end up like the flood.

[dusk patrol]

I doubt it

Nids already fill that niche

[river walrus]

I hate getting multiple plot points. Should make book simple

[bold wren]

But the reason the flood exists is a angry precursor race.

[dusk patrol]

Yes I’m aware

We don’t need there to be some other faction the Old Ones spawned

40k in general doesn’t need more factions

[bold wren]

The survivors for all we know have made the nids.

[dusk patrol]

And no we don’t need the Nids explained

[bold wren]

But we don't know who created them.

[dusk patrol]

Yes like I said

We don’t need to

[bold wren]

But knowing the Old Ones making new races wouldn't surprise me.

[dusk patrol]

Not everything needs to be explained

[storm jungle]

Legit cant wait for the lore to eventually do this

because we all know they will

💀

[dusk patrol]

I doubt it tbh, same as the lost primarchs. It’s just boring Mx

[bold wren]

Nids are a big part of 40k now.

[dusk patrol]

There’s no fun answer

[bold wren]

Lost Primarchs are not

[celest dome]

They should flesh out what we already have
And really introduce the Dino Eldar

[storm jungle]

even the lost primarchs still get breadcrumbs when theres no point for it

they will do it eventually, you'll see lmao

40k writers love following lame sci-fi tropes of overexplaining everything

[bold wren]

The lost primarchs have nothing important to add unlike the nids.

[storm jungle]

before Pharos we didnt need to know why nids got here either

[dusk patrol]

I doubt it, same reason they’ve avoided doing a lot of DAoT and Unifiction stuff

They’ve already said there’s no plans or interest in exploring that era more

[bold wren]

Lame

[celest dome]

But what will it be
Old One experiment, just naturaly occuring species, new "chaos" god ?

[bold wren]

Not even the dark age of technology

Or golden age

[dusk patrol]

All the answers suck

[celest dome]

Yes, because having an answer suck in thsi case

[bold wren]

That's lame theorizing is more fun.

[dusk patrol]

Especially cause with Nids you’d have to do some stupid shit like give them a character

[bold wren]

They're a hive mind so to a certain extent.

[dusk patrol]

No they’re not

[bold wren]

Gene stealers.

[storm jungle]

DAOT has no purpose beyond serving mcguffins to modern lore.

And Unification has been more or less explored but we'll deffo get more flashbacks and other such stuff to it in the future. Again it has happened.

[bold wren]

Yes they're a hive mind ran by a queen.

[storm jungle]

They just dont explore it enough because no point + no present armies/miniature representation in it etc

[dusk patrol]

It could, there’s nothing to suggest much it will, they’ve said a lot there’s no interest in the writing staff

[bold wren]

They're xenomorphs pretty much

[celest dome]

Ol' One eye is the closest they have to a characte

[dusk patrol]

And there’s not a lack of more current or other stuff to explore

[bold wren]

Expect they eat everything

[dusk patrol]

We always get little teases but I don’t think it’ll ever be explained

Nids intentionally have multiple obfuscating potential origins and explanations already

[bold wren]

I mean seeing past things they have explained things before.

[dusk patrol]

Like a lot of stuff which suggests they’ve visited the galaxy before or had a fleet land much earlier

[bold wren]

More interesting then pharos station

Nightlords are okay I guess.

Not really.

[dusk patrol]

The point is it’s not clear or there’s multiple ways

[storm jungle]

As much as I appreciate Night Lords, their fanbase really needs to accept they will always be a footnote and their trilogy doesn't make them special

[bold wren]

Makes them as special as mortarion

[celest dome]

Competing with the Iron Hand for least relevant Legion

[dusk patrol]

I love their trilogy, I hate the reading comprehension of people who read it and don’t realize all these mfers are corrupted to high hell

[bold wren]

I hate Mortarion

[storm jungle]

ITS LITERALLY SAID IN THE FUCKING BOOKS TOO

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

ITS SUPPOSE TO BE HYPOCRITICAL

[dusk patrol]

It’s not unclear

[storm jungle]

their fans are legit as much on copium as Curze is lol

[dusk patrol]

People don’t really read them for one is one issue, just excepts

And also people take stuff at face value

[bold wren]

Nightlords were efficient until they started wasting gene seed on criminals.

[storm jungle]

Yeah like NL are good as generic villains

[bold wren]

My god.

[storm jungle]

they can have depth sure but like you dont need much beyond it lol

[dusk patrol]

Without reading into what’s being said

[bold wren]

Generic you mean skinning kids?

[storm jungle]

I mean yes?

thats generic

40k violence like that happens all the time, its boring

[bold wren]

Nah.

[storm jungle]

Yah.

"Oh we skin and torture people"

ok you and every chaos warband, cool

lol

[dusk patrol]

My biggest issue with the NL trilogy is it has a similar ADB issue of his protagonists are very similar and always the least interesting character in their books.

Not always but

Often

[storm jungle]

Yep.

[bold wren]

Trayzn fits better.

[storm jungle]

Wha-

[dusk patrol]

How

How

Explain

[bold wren]

He is on and off goofy

Skeletor is all I get

[dusk patrol]

[storm jungle]

Trazyn is a great character but the fanbase definitely has an unbearable presence around him.

"hehe hoho hes so funny!"

except the books showcase its goofy to us from his POV but horrific to everyone else

[bold wren]

Skeletor is a villian

[storm jungle]

Nagash is in AOS

hes not important right now

[dusk patrol]

Trayzn has the issue of people just see him as the 1d4chan meme version portrays him as

[bold wren]

I mean it is funny to think about but not laughing matter funny.

[dusk patrol]

The benefit is, he’s not toooo far off that

Compared to how they do a lot of dudes

Oh wow guys Kharn sure is a swell guy hahahaahah hehe hoo hoo so funny cause he does wacky zany thing you don’t expect Kharn to

[storm jungle]

I love how people act like hes all jokes when in the same story he literally tells a sororitas he used her fucking sister's bodyparts to repair the damage done to her as a museum piece

like jesus christ lmao

[dusk patrol]

What a knee slapper

Tbf it is often a good mix of humor and horror

[green loom]

Khorne doesn't stab you in the back, he only stabs you in the front! GOd of Honour!

[storm jungle]

Oh no yeah its great

[bold wren]

Isn't there another necron who is actually like that.

[storm jungle]

ARGHHHH

[storm jungle]

Okay so this i disagree with, the problem with Kharn is people see him as a diet doomguy.

"wow hes such a deep character, he says one liners and kills people!"

ok sure junior

[dusk patrol]

‘History requires two parties – the historian and their audience. Without that, one is just talking to oneself. So kindly stop screaming and you might learn something.’
– Trazyn the Infinite, guiding human guests through the Prismatic Gallery

[green loom]

Que the one Magos he has for Tyranid facts

[dusk patrol]

People just don’t read his stuff at all too

Like people think he just rages around all the time still

[bold wren]

Then again history is decided by the victors.

[dusk patrol]

When the point of his books is he’s very lucid while he’s in his “rage”

[bold wren]

Is another saying.

[dusk patrol]

He’s very cognizant

[storm jungle]

Yep, also people who keep quoting the scene where he beats the shit out of Erebus really miss the entire point of that segment.

All they focus on is the "Get up." part, which is badass sure but that scene's conclusion is that Kharn has acted irrationally again and has pretty much fully embraced Khorne.

Eresus stays winning.

What hijinks will he get up to next!

[bold wren]

Technically Khorne wins

[dusk patrol]

Also Argel Tal is the worst Word Bearer character ever

And the only bad thing about his death is it didn’t happen sooner

[storm jungle]

Hes cool but again overhyped, entire fucking reason I DESPISE Rylanor.

[green loom]

Yeah but Eternal he's such a good guy!

[storm jungle]

"omg he said a one liner to fulgrim and virus bombed him OMGGG"

fuck off

lol

[bold wren]

Primal rage and Murder.

[dusk patrol]

Swear to god if we ever get another “ugh guys I’m so sad we have to skin orphans!”

[storm jungle]

Curze Apologists are another tier

"he was forced to-"

no he wasnt

hes a coper

holy shit dude

[green loom]

Oh god dilara

Have I told you about the one Curze fan I met

[dusk patrol]

He was weak and pathetic and that’s how he died, his own sons realize it

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

He could have been great

[storm jungle]

Do tell lmao

[dusk patrol]

He had the choice to be

He chose to be awful

[green loom]

I'll dm

[bold wren]

I think honor was never about honor as those who preach about it are always brutal and lack true honor.

[dusk patrol]

He had an inherently bad view of the world and people, one could say he projected his own darkness onto others

[bold wren]

Like it's confusing and I feel it's just Khorne being prideful.

[storm jungle]

I forgot i think it was ADB? Who said on his twitter that people who want Curze to be a "good guy" are the same people who are in love with serial killers.

Which... is a bit harsh but i cannot say i disagree at all lol

[young pecan]

That's how you know it's bad

[dusk patrol]

That’s the tragedy, he became that because he chose it

[dusk patrol]

Tbf I think mostly people jsut don’t read the stuff much

[bold wren]

If you want the closest guy to being good it might be Sanguinis

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

[dusk patrol]

And lean more don’t how he was sad growing up

[storm jungle]

also no Sanguinius is awful too

hes just sexy

which honestly, is fair

you can be evil and be absolved as long as you look hot

[bold wren]

Evil vampires are nice

[dusk patrol]

None of the primarchs are good people

[young pecan]

I was about to say something like this

[dusk patrol]

Some are based though

[storm jungle]

Me forgiving any villain whos sexy and has done numerous atrocities

[bold wren]

Alucard

[dusk patrol]

My morals going out the window because the bad guys have cooler armor

[bold wren]

Why

[young pecan]

-Genocidal terrorist is handsome "but he said he's sorry"
-Ugly guy who stole bread
" "

[bold wren]

Seems pretty realistic

[dusk patrol]

“But guys his dad was a meanie”

[bold wren]

Have you seen how stupid people are.

[dusk patrol]

“This justifies trying to murder a bunch of people who had nothing to do with that.”

[storm jungle]

to quote Lord Dark Helmet from Spaceballs

"Evil will always triumph, because good is dumb."

[young pecan]

This happens so often with blatantly evil factions in media, people think something looking cool means it's right

[storm jungle]

To be fair it depends

[bold wren]

Good wins if I feel like it.

[storm jungle]

when its like fascist shit ala Jinroh or Wolfenstein its because people just love fascist uniforms which are doing their job

they look so that you want to join them lol

other medias tho yeah thats more normal

like saiyng sauron's armor is badass isnt sus

[bold wren]

I mean they're stylish but am I forgiving the historical atrocities.

[dusk patrol]

Tbh BJs crew could have used a better fashion designer

[storm jungle]

TRUE.

[dusk patrol]

He’s got a good jacket but man

Spruce it up a little guys

Have you seen those Nazi mechs? The fuck are we doing!

[storm jungle]

that jacket is kino fashion

[bold wren]

Hugo Boss and German fashion designers were impressive but come on really.

[storm jungle]

Wolfenstein's dieselpunk aesthetic gives me life

seriously whoever they hired through New Order, Old Blood and New Colossus is 👌

[bold wren]

I mean they're the baddies for a good reason.

[storm jungle]

Bad guys always look cooler

[dusk patrol]

Mfw somehow every single Nazi soldier is like 6’5” and has 270lbs of muscle.

[storm jungle]

TO BE FAIR

in the game you are very much sneaking into areas guarded by "elite" troops

so i guess you can handwave it that way

lol

[bold wren]

They're not regulars nazis but worse.

[storm jungle]

yeah every guy you kill is almost always SS

[dusk patrol]

Oh no they’re hot!

[storm jungle]

Me when the Knife guy in the camp throws me into the furnace

[bold wren]

While delusional many designs they make were interesting.

[dusk patrol]

Mfw I did feel kinda bad about killing that one dudes dogs even though they were murderous mutts and he made fun of how I say hotdog

[bold wren]

Bad people make cool designs isn't surprising.

But like

[dusk patrol]

There’s a sorta diesel punk table top alternative history WWII game

Which has a lot of fun ideas like that for all the allied and axis nations

[storm jungle]

Rudi and Greta rip

[bold wren]

Warhammer 40k is just so many things.

[storm jungle]

soup-fiction

[bold wren]

That dieselpunk could very much be apart of 40k

[young pecan]

I haven't played Wolfenstein but one of the funniest parts I've seen are when one of the woman elites gets her face messed up by a mech and, instead of running or finishing you off, she gets in your face and just starts saying evil shit before the mech gets her

[dusk patrol]

I always feel bad about killing the dude who helps you with your luggage on Venus too.

[bold wren]

Or you get bladerunner cities

[storm jungle]

HES BEING SO FUCKING NICE TOO

[dusk patrol]

Hans is just trying to be helpful smh

[storm jungle]

Even when he opens the luggage its like

"Oh whats this? Huh!"

[bold wren]

The beauty of 40k is that it's several things.

[storm jungle]

Lmao thats Frau Engel yeah

she survives into game 2

[bold wren]

And not just Warhammer Fantasy in space

[storm jungle]

where you fucking slam an axe into her face on national TV

[bold wren]

I mean originally maybe but it has gone through so many changes.

[dusk patrol]

I did not enjoy Engel as much as the Deathshead guy

[storm jungle]

same

[dusk patrol]

She’s a bit too cartoony for me

[storm jungle]

Engel is fine but Deathshead very much feels like a 40k-tier bad guy

and like is genuinely unsettling

[dusk patrol]

Deathshead was actually menacing

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Yep

down to shit like him caressing Wyatt and going "I like the eyes on this one..."

like eurgh

[dusk patrol]

I didn’t hate New Colossus but it jumped the shark a bit for me

[storm jungle]

Yeah too much

[dusk patrol]

Felt like they were trying to be too wacky sometimes

[storm jungle]

its fine but you can tell they just tried to do way too much

[bold wren]

Orks are considered diesel punk by many

[dusk patrol]

The first one rode the line of horrifying but also a little over the top well

[storm jungle]

N.Order works because its serious while having little comedic moments

yeah exactly

[bold wren]

I mean the junk and how they run machines maybe.

[storm jungle]

Orks are more post apocalypse than diesel

[dusk patrol]

Also I don’t think it’s intentional but it is funny to me how like, they actually confirm the whole “secret Jewish Illuminati”, it’s kinda idk

Weird to me

It’s funny but idk

[storm jungle]

To be fair they did it from Game 1 and it kinda works

you just shouldnt OVER explore it

I like the idea of the nazis just being hacks

but like the jewish super society thing deffo got too goofy at times

its teh same reason almost no story in 40k has a DAOT tech lie around too much, it either gets storaged away or destroyed.

[dusk patrol]

It’s fun but it just became too much. And then they did that awful game with the two daughters.

[young pecan]

Average Krieg fan will say "so the nazis were right"

[storm jungle]

GOD

wish that was untrue

[dusk patrol]

Which idc if they wanna do the daughters as a game but man the story was so bland

And the gameplay

[storm jungle]

The game basically killed the franchise lol

nobody liked it

lmao

[dusk patrol]

And also let’s be real no one wants to play his kids let me play old man BJ

[storm jungle]

HE LITERALLY KILLED HITLER

OFF-SCREEN

What the actual fuck

[dusk patrol]

Pain

[storm jungle]

this is reading all the way up to Siege

then all you get is Big E coming back

"Yeah guys I killed Horus off-screen, put up hell of a fight"

like bruh

the fuck did i read 55 books for then?

[dusk patrol]

You get Big E coming back but the focus is on the Sensei

[storm jungle]

💀

LMAO

[dusk patrol]

Who are all goofy stereotypes

[storm jungle]

God that is actually even more accurate

i hate it

I was gonna say Ol and Co. but at least they actually did shit that mattered to the plot

[young pecan]

What sentient creature would greenlight the BBEG dying off-screen

[dusk patrol]

And also the plot is some weird betrayal thing with the two bad guys making out a ton

[young pecan]

At least give us a QTE

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

They had to do the wolfenstein checklist

[dusk patrol]

Tbf I think they expected to revisit that in a different game

[storm jungle]

• random sex scene

[dusk patrol]

But it’s jsut a bad idea

[storm jungle]

Entirely

and we havent had a single blip about any Wolfenstein game since

[worn zinc]

2009 was underrated idc what anyone says

[storm jungle]

It was

[dusk patrol]

13 year old me playing New Order and suddenly Anya is riding the guy whose diapers she changed for a decade up til two days ago like it’s going out of style

[storm jungle]

i loved that game as a lil gal

the trailer was something i KEPT always replaying

[worn zinc]

2009 was one of my favs

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

[storm jungle]

it was my first intro to Wolfenstein

i was like

"omg this is like COD ill get to shoot nazis!"

paranormal stuff happens

"mommy HELP"

[dusk patrol]

Oh yeah the lore they have for Anya’s early life is kinda weird too

[storm jungle]

I did not like those journals

okay i did but like

[dusk patrol]

I sorta pretend it doesn’t exist or it’s all fake

[storm jungle]

shes an actual psychopath

if you put it into context

lol

and like, a serial killer

[dusk patrol]

Yeah like I guess it makes sense but also fuck me

Idk can’t they just be kinda wholesome

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

Can we not have pregnant Anya showered with blood straddling BJ

Please

[storm jungle]

Honestly i was on the same mindset where i ignore they exist because it feels so... out of tune? And like tacked on by someone else on the team?

Because the actual Anya we get in the game is a lot more meek, before the hospital massacre she acts like a pretty normal person lol

[arctic talon]

the writers barely disguised fetish

[dusk patrol]

This is someone one the writing teams fetish and imo don’t need to be a part of it

[storm jungle]

Cant blame them

[dusk patrol]

but it was kinda hot ngl

[storm jungle]

BASED.

🤝

[dusk patrol]

But yeah like the fun of the games is Anya started out pretty basic and slowly became more of a character and more developed and you can see it

Until she becames more hardened than BJ in a lot of ways

[storm jungle]

Ye like you can entirely ignore the journals, Anya acts completely different in contrast to them.

[dusk patrol]

It just doesn’t feel like her at all

[young pecan]

I think BJ was harder in that scene

[dusk patrol]

Like I don’t think she’d be ok with banging a bunch of Nazis then killing them

[arctic talon]

The journal feels like it was written for an earlier or later scrapped draft of the character

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

I get BJ is kinda a psychopath too but

[storm jungle]

Yeah what Elite said

BJ's psychopathic behavior also gets explored a lot in New Order

but like you dont get to think on it much because the people he kill are literal nazis lol

so the lack of sympathy is kind of acceptable in some manner, its literally black and white

[green loom]

He's an ethical psychopath

[storm jungle]

This said it best lol

[dusk patrol]

I think one of my issues with a New Colossus is it felt like they just leaned into that too hard

[green loom]

He may be a horrible butcher but the dudes he kills are kinda horrible and he does limit himself sometimes

[storm jungle]

This yeah

[dusk patrol]

Like it’s jsut lazy

[storm jungle]

his dad being a racist southern dipshit was a bit uh

[arctic talon]

him being a total psychopath? yeah

its sort of reductive

[dusk patrol]

“BJ looks at the camera and says he doesn’t like Nazis”

Oh wow haven’t seen this one yet

[storm jungle]

Yeaaaah, like BJ is a lot more humnan in new order

[arctic talon]

what a decision that was

[storm jungle]

in Colossus hes more like a cartoon

man

[arctic talon]

Colossus feels more cartoony

[storm jungle]

I love shooting my dog with a fucking double-barrel

💀

[arctic talon]

If you miss

fun fact there's a special interaction

[dusk patrol]

His dad is not only a southern Nazi, he also sent his wife to the camps for some reason

It’s jsut goofy

Like, how did these people even meet?

[bold wren]

She probably spoke out against him.

[storm jungle]

Well they do explain it, it was because of the money

but like

that guy would have murdered BJ's mom like a week later seeing what we see of him in the game lol

the standing marriage itself is a miracle

[bold wren]

They were forced to be together

If I had to guess.

[storm jungle]

Nah not forced, he says he took her in from her family due to the money

[dusk patrol]

It’s just a cartoon character it feels like to me

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah

[bold wren]

Oh

[arctic talon]

His dad is a hate sink character

[storm jungle]

evil people like Rip (his dad) do exist IRL sure, its not out of the question in the 40's especially but you can give him some more nuance

[arctic talon]

Done poorly

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

Like it would be much more impactful to jsut have his parents be ok, maybe flawed, and his mom got taken

[storm jungle]

Yeah this

[arctic talon]

There are literally 0 redeeming qualities to his father

[storm jungle]

and his dad just doing nothing

[arctic talon]

Which yeah people like that exist irl

[storm jungle]

because maybe hes just a dipshit and a coward etc

[arctic talon]

But it’s not great for a story imo

[storm jungle]

Yeah like i said it can be done better

[storm jungle]

Like this is much better

[dusk patrol]

It’s such a random part of the game too

[arctic talon]

New Colossus is just worse writing but meh

[storm jungle]

The visuals and ideas are great

the plot itself is oof

[arctic talon]

Also why Venus

[dusk patrol]

Like he literally has you shoot your dog

[arctic talon]

I still don’t get why not just the moon again

[dusk patrol]

Cause he’s an asshole

[arctic talon]

Like why the fuck Venus lmao

[spring cairn]

because of exactly that

so it's not the moon again

[arctic talon]

Okay but the Venus Nazi’s are way more boring

Which is lame

I want more flavors of them to kill in that game

They’re very samey compared to the previous one

[storm jungle]

Venus was an idea you can tell someone on the team proposed and they just went "WOAH SURE SOUNDS COOL LETS DO IT"

lol

[arctic talon]

Oh also the cooling suit portion

Is lame as hell lol

[storm jungle]

yep lmao

like the moon worked because nazis reaching the moon after they win the war etc is a scary and imposing imagery

[green loom]

The one universe where General Shepherd has hair

[storm jungle]

Venus is like "what"

[arctic talon]

Anyways no Nazi laser gun that has a machine gun glued to it

0/10 area

[dusk patrol]

Didn’t he kill Hitler on Mars too?

[arctic talon]

I didn’t pay attention to youngbloods plot so I’m just gona assume yes

[dusk patrol]

That last actor got robbed too ngl

He killed it

[storm jungle]

he was Steve Blum too

lmao

[dusk patrol]

Also why do they keep sending BJ on infiltration missions

[young pecan]

I'm from Arizona

[storm jungle]

ok so id say its because hes literally the spitting image of an aryan

[dusk patrol]

just cause it keeps working doesn’t mean it’s a good idea

[storm jungle]

BUT HE CANT EVEN SPEAK GERMAN

"Hot dog"

💀

[dusk patrol]

At least the Hitler one he’s supposed to be American

And play himself

[spring cairn]

surprised those games are properly priced for their age

didn't know bethesda did that

[green loom]

The best thing we got out of Venus was Ronald Reagan getting shot by Hitler

[dusk patrol]

Also John Lennon somehow

[green loom]

I find it funny that he can kinda speak polish though

[dusk patrol]

Well he better

[green loom]

Like which one is it MGs, is he a bumbling monolingual meathead or a super scary secret agent with brains??

[spring cairn]

he's a very discreet brickhouse

with the most recognizable face ever

[dusk patrol]

Oh and the one Frau Engels daughter and the African guy thing was really weird too me, felt way too fetishy

[young pecan]

Something something trickle down

[dusk patrol]

Like I get the point kinda but ehhhhh

[spring cairn]

i forgot new colossus's story

all i remember is that i liked the action and the occupied america setting

peak

[dusk patrol]

It has a lot of good aspects

[river walrus]

Very gray image. Wut is it?

[dusk patrol]

It’s not bad just

I have issues

[green loom]

The gameplay was kinda ass

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

Played like Doom but

You didn’t move like Doom

[green loom]

I think I enjoyed Old Blood most

Except the zombie portion

Which got old VERY quickly

[river walrus]

BLOOD?

Ulgo love blood!

[spring cairn]

they peaked at doom eternal

[river walrus]

A liked caleb!

[green loom]

Doom eternal's cinematic director should be shot

[river walrus]

Meh, killing better

[green loom]

Or whoever was in charge of sound mixing

[dusk patrol]

Guys ok here’s a new idea, so we have Heaven and Hell

But heaven is also bad

[green loom]

Because god damn the cutscenes for that game blow hard

[dusk patrol]

Hey you can’t just shoot a hole into Mars

[spring cairn]

thx god i don't care about that stuff when playing a doom game

🙏

[dusk patrol]

I liked it mostly the gameplay was fun

[green loom]

I don't really give a shit except for one scene in the uhhh

Forgotten Gods part 2 thing or whatever

[spring cairn]

it was such an upgrade from doom 2016

[green loom]

The big avengers rip off scene

Which was just

So boring

[dusk patrol]

Marauders were a lot of fun to fight

[spring cairn]

i have not played the dlc

however

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLcHbAdJeGE&ab_channel=GameClips

[thorn zenith]

I dont like the avengers rip off scene either, but on the other hand i am glad slayer finally had some real allies

[dusk patrol]

Beating that game on max difficulty on Xbox will always be my crowning achievement

[green loom]

I don't like it just for the music

Like

It's just the neutral beat before a song starts

No build up or anything

[spring cairn]

i finished it on launch at max difficulty aswell

[green loom]

It just
Du-du-dun Du-du-dun Du-du-dun

[spring cairn]

before they nerfed the cool stuff

(enemies)

[dusk patrol]

The MP was ok but had issues with the Slayer being the one who was in control mostly it felt like

If you were good enough as the slayer then you were unbeatable

[arctic talon]

Ngl the dlc lowkey sucks gameplay wise

You get an overpowered hammer

Lol

[dusk patrol]

It definitely wasn’t needed imo

[arctic talon]

That hammer is so goddamn broken

It’s not even funny

Oh also the silver bullet enemies are lame

[spring cairn]

i didn't try it but i appreciate the attempt at making something other than just TDM

[bold wren]

There is no good or bad in the realm of chaos only things beyond human comprehension

[arctic talon]

Ah yes the imp that takes almost triple damage from shotguns

[dusk patrol]

I did not need doom guy to have a backstory tbh

[arctic talon]

And drops shotgun ammo on death

I wonder what I need to use

Like fuck off with that lol

It’s so stupid

Doom eternal has some pretty bad internal balancing issues

[dusk patrol]

I remember in the game one of the extra gates you can do gives you an enemy you don’t know how to fight yet

[arctic talon]

lol

[dusk patrol]

Earlier than you encounter it

[arctic talon]

Is it the drone one

Or

[dusk patrol]

So I had to spend like a half hour figuring out how to kill it

[arctic talon]

Cyber mancubus

[dusk patrol]

I think it’s the drone

[arctic talon]

Yeah the drones are fucking sponges

Unless you nail the heads

[dusk patrol]

They only die to headshots yeah

And it wasn’t obvious

[thorn zenith]

There was also 0 build up visual wise either. The dude and slayer just gave each others the stank eye like "wutchu doin here"

[dusk patrol]

Took for forever to figure it out

[arctic talon]

Oh also spirits can go burn in hell lol

Fuck the microwave beam

Actual dogshit attachment that you’re forced to use lol

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

The base game I enjoyed a lot more

[arctic talon]

I will complain as much as I please about the dlcs because while some parts are very fun other parts seem designed exclusively to say use this specific weapon in specific mode or else you can’t do anything

Like ????

Why

Literally nothing in the base game is like that

[spring cairn]

i need to play eternal again

need to re-take the karaz ankor first

[young pecan]

Been wanting to try one of the dwarf factions, what leader do you recommend for IE?

[river walrus]

🫡

[snow fern]

Rogue Trader’s endings are funny. Spoilers duh. ||Oh yah you now got a Loyalist Ctan shard, that’s just as zealous and repenetive as one might expect of such a thing. Good thing the Kronus Expanse is on the wrong side of the sicatrix maladictum, or that might be a wild change in the galaxy at large.||

[snow fern]

I like Pasqal’s story a lot, it’s a damn shame we are likely never gonna see any of the RT characters ever again

[arctic talon]

don't say that we might get a fucking Rogue Trader TTRPG revival lol

Malidictum pretty much is dark heresy but lower down