YOUR TELLING ME SPACE JESUS DIDN'T STEP FORWARD FOR LUKE?!?!?1
#40k-lore-chat
shell mason
dusk patrol
And it was still a fun and enjoyable novel. Haley’s biggest issue as always being how he writes villains but at least it had some interesting scenes.
storm jungle
And it was still a fun and enjoyable novel. Haley’s biggest issue as always bein...
I mean you are a space marine fan so thats expected
dusk patrol
I didn’t even love the Dark Imperium trilogy to be clear but it was still fine
My point is basically ever Eldar novel sucks even from a pure enjoyable to read standpoint, off the top of my head the only ones I enjoyed at all were Valedor, and the Path of the Dark Eldar series
storm jungle
I literally have more Imperium books i have read and liked in my library than xenos ones for the most part. I just like quality writing and actual stakes in a climax sometimes that doesnt rely on bullshit MCU-tier resurrection nonsense by the son-of-god Primarch Person™️
this has nothing to do with eldar books, 90% of them sucks and we all know lol
shell mason
that
dusk patrol
Stupid shit happening in novels generally doesn’t matter as much to me if it was mostly fine, and tbh the Godblight thing wasn’t as big a deal as people make it.
shell mason
is nearly a paragraph
storm jungle
It matters when its repetitive
shell mason
calm down maam
storm jungle
every primarch fight is just the same nonsense lol
like we all know the chaos guy is gonna lose
storm jungle
because respawning lol
dusk patrol
They largely don’t lost though in a lot of fights they just don’t kill Guilliman
storm jungle
Okay so basically same thing but the loyalist primarch doesnt die because we need him in the wargame.
Makes sense.
dusk patrol
You can say this for literally every 40k character
arctic talon
the one character that was killed
He was dead when his mini came out lol
Tycho is like the worst example
Of a named character dying
viral halo
but he is an example!
dusk patrol
It’s not like Guilliman has even fought that many daemon primarchs, he had his fight with Magnus where he was bailed out by the SoS and a lot of Imperium forces showing up and they managed to send Magnus back through the portal, he had his fight with Mortarion where he straight up lost and they do the rez thing, the Lion barley managed to banish Angron, and he barely limps away from that fight
storm jungle
Okay but like why is this suppose to be a good defense
"it applies to everyone"
That makes the example even worse lol
storm jungle
Tycho is like the worst example
Basically yeah because he doesnt matter
literally just a random side character most modern fans dont even remember
💀
viral halo
Yea sorry I'm a true fan Dilara smh
storm jungle
You better go back to smoking some grimdank memes this instant young man
viral halo
That's it, I'm gonna go be racist on twitter and call people tourists now!
storm jungle
arctic talon
storm jungle
Anyway yeah I know nobody important can die, space marine characters especially.
Its more that at least make some illusion of peril that isnt much beyond cheap resurrection tropes.
crisp heath
Mortarion won the fight with Guilliman, Guilliman is just a savescummer
storm jungle
Its the same reason people keep saying Calgar should have died at Vigilus but just didn't.
queen laurel
That's it, I'm gonna go be racist on twitter and call people tourists now!
i will find where you live and send nick kyme books to your students
arctic talon
Yeah ngl I wish guilliman didn’t like straight up die and come back to life in godblight personally
viral halo
i will find where you live and send nick kyme books to your students
please, at least get them to fucking read and not watch skibidi toilet all day
queen laurel
please, at least get them to fucking read and not watch skibidi toilet all day
shit got the add subway surfers on the side
dusk patrol
I don’t disagree they can kill some characters off but the idea that they’re gonna kill Guilliman off is goofy, but people also wanna see them fight, I think Haley did it as well as he could
hallow plover
Imagine being beaten by Mortarion
crisp heath
Yeah ngl I wish guilliman didn’t like straight up die and come back to life in g...
Guilliman dies every Thursday because it's barely an inconvenience to him
dusk patrol
Mortarion has basically killed every primarch he’s fought we’ve seen
crisp heath
The reason no characters die is because Guilliman uses up the entire Imperiums death quota
storm jungle
but like he sucks as a character so ill allow that
storm jungle
Hes basically a wrestler heel
dusk patrol
Guilliman has “died” once ever
dusk patrol
Mortarion my issue is more how he’s written
crisp heath
He died twice which is often enough to make me meme on it
storm jungle
Morty just sucks
like
I dont harrass people who like him
but i wont comment on it either
lmao
hallow plover
He got beaten by Draigo twice, Khan, Rowboat/Big E and who else? I know Garro did him dirty too
dusk patrol
Wraight does him well
storm jungle
Yeah its more that its the ever present 40k issue of "Hes great in this one thing, then in the other thing written by someone else hes megatron."
crisp heath
Fulgrim is the MVP of the Heresy gang though
dusk patrol
He got beaten by Draigo twice, Khan, Rowboat/Big E and who else? I know Garro d...
Saying he got beaten by Khan is sorta overselling it since he
queen laurel
Yeah its more that its the ever present 40k issue of "Hes great in this one thin...
The multiple writers conundrum
dusk patrol
Effectively killed Khan
crisp heath
Dude killed 2 primarchs and severely fucked up a third
arctic talon
Like khan died
storm jungle
in the Siege too they comment on it
but Vulkan goes
"Nah blud hes totally gonna die"
yeah sure 💀
but i was going slowly clinically insane reading End and the Death so it kinda glanced past me
hallow plover
Mortarion getting dunked on is part of his tragedy. His life sucked from the beginning. (Doesn't help that he's got a shitty attitude)
storm jungle
god
storm jungle
I congradulate any writer who has to work from the character motivation of
"My dad stole my kill >:("
dusk patrol
I don’t think Mortarion is hard to write well it’s just most authors aren’t interested
Swallow and Wraight do him fine
hallow plover
Well, considering it's Warhammer and we're talking Primarch, the whole "killsteal" thing is pretty much standard
crisp heath
Mortarion can be good. When a good writer has him you can see he has a really deep inferiority complex (because he is inferior) and thats really something that should he focused on
dusk patrol
Haley just doesn’t care to write his villains as anything other than cartoon villains
And I’m someone who hates Swallows writing mostly
crisp heath
But they don't want to because that makes him seem "pathetic" when he's supposed to be SO COOL!!!1!
dusk patrol
But Buried Dagger is probably his best book
arctic talon
Haley just doesn’t care to write his villains as anything other than cartoon vil...
Yeah this
Most of his “original” villains tend to be horridly one sided
dusk patrol
The one Grey Knights game is just goofy as fuck too
arctic talon
The morbus is at hand
storm jungle
people should be more understandable villains like Mr Darkseid
arctic talon
The one Grey Knights game is just goofy as fuck too
I choose to believe that there were like 10x more grey knights there
Chaos gates balancing is so goofy lol
dusk patrol
I just ignore it completely tbh
dusk patrol
Same level as the one doom game
storm jungle
Yeah its spelled out
storm jungle
Same level as the one doom game
to be fair
Doomslayer is like Primarch+ level
so lol
dusk patrol
I mean the doom clone 40k game
hallow plover
Boltgun
storm jungle
dusk patrol
Which obviously isn’t canon and if it is I ignore that shit so hard
arctic talon
No, Draigo explicitely said 4 guys with me and 4 guys guarding our rear
Yeah and those 4 guys almost died to a cultist with a heavy stubber smh
arctic talon
Heavy stubber cultist is the most dangerous fucking enemy
dusk patrol
They complained to the devs about balance
hallow plover
The man of faith of course
dusk patrol
Idk why it’s so hard to jsut make them fighting mostly chaos marines or daemons in a fucking GKs game
spring cairn
Yeah and those 4 guys almost died to a cultist with a heavy stubber smh
dreg gunner glow up
crisp heath
Malum Caedo is my favorite meme marine and you will never take him from me
arctic talon
Idk why it’s so hard to jsut make them fighting mostly chaos marines or daemons ...
Sentenced to fighting 35 cultists and 3 poxwalkers
storm jungle
Idk why it’s so hard to jsut make them fighting mostly chaos marines or daemons ...
They definitely should have made it so that the opening of the game with the cultists is just enemies you can kill in 1-2 hits minus like the priests or whatever
then it gets serious once the DG show up
but no its literally WW3 from level 1
💀
queen laurel
They definitely should have made it so that the opening of the game with the cul...
The Cultist ascending into daemon hood after getting a cheap shot
Like this dinky little guy just killed one of the perfect warriors of the emperor
storm jungle
its like Tony escaping from the cave in Iron Man 1 and literally every terrorist in the vicinity is unloading bullets on him
arctic talon
They definitely should have made it so that the opening of the game with the cul...
The cultists absolutely should be fodder to get in your way lol
But they’re actually way more dangerous
Then some of the plague marines
dusk patrol
It’s so weird cause there’s endless examples of this in other games, XCOM has very similar fodder enemies
And you can make them a nuance in other ways
arctic talon
Even mechanicus does a better job with fodder lol
dusk patrol
Like they body block for the real threats or buff them or deal light damage
hallow plover
Well, kids with stones destroyed an eldar tank... ||Don't lynch me||
storm jungle
The cultists absolutely should be fodder to get in your way lol
Actual lore accurate engagement between a GK/Cultists
arctic talon
Well, kids with stones destroyed an eldar tank... ||Don't lynch me||
Sentenced to reading all 3 of CS GOTO’s dawn of war books for that one
storm jungle
man Iron Man 1 is so fucking good
storm jungle
lmao
hallow plover
I would take the punishment if those books were available in paper
crisp heath
Dropping a blank onto Titan, as a joke
versed ledge
You know what be nice, a 40k theme fast food joint
storm jungle
Titan already has blanks
storm jungle
yeah that lol
storm jungle
Uh w edont know
dusk patrol
Not clear
storm jungle
they get like 2 sentences of lore
arctic talon
Natural blanks rather
dusk patrol
Some goofy ADB stuff no one will ever mention again
storm jungle
its deffo some lore they wrote because it sounds cool without thinking of the details for it
which is like, fine
they literally just drive boats
crisp heath
ADB is the only guy who writes marines that I actually like (on rare occasions Abnett gets a good one) so I'll excuse him for literally anything
storm jungle
should I?
I wanna say do it just to say you did
thats why I read it years ago
lmao
misty brook
So the booze that the Sons of Russ drink can melt regular people insides right if a normal human drank it.
hallow plover
It's part of a 40k lore enthusiast milestone. Just like ready the whole HH
storm jungle
Kind of but basically yeah
hallow plover
Suffering builds character
storm jungle
the novel is just awful in every way
crisp heath
They do make a weaker version for mortals though (it still makes you instantly black out)
dusk patrol
ADB is the only guy who writes marines that I actually like (on rare occasions A...
That’s kinda my issue with his writing sometimes as much as I like him
Once you notice the ADB tropes
Dear lord
Like it’s hilarious how much he reuses ideas
I still like them but
crisp heath
C.S Goto literally got fired for snapping back at fans that didnt like it
It's the one where an eldar is tortured in a horrific but weirdly horny way for like 5 straight chapters right?
crystal forum
what do you guys think of my custom bayonet bolter
dusk patrol
Looks nice
queen laurel
what do you guys think of my custom bayonet bolter
Stabby
crisp heath
Oh that looks nice
winter vessel
what do you guys think of my custom bayonet bolter
Pretty neat
outer wave
C.S Goto literally got fired for snapping back at fans that didnt like it
C.S. Goto more like C.S. Goto a different job because he got fired haha
storm jungle
It's the one where an eldar is tortured in a horrific but weirdly horny way for ...
Yes.
Its very weird
lol
storm jungle
C.S. Goto more like C.S. Goto a different job because he got fired haha
LMAO
💀
hes the only GW author to ever get kicked out i think
outer wave
Oh what did he plagerise exactly?
dusk patrol
He did a little lite war memoir stealing
hallow plover
I think there was a 3rd guy
storm jungle
Uh war memorials of actual soldiers
dusk patrol
Just as a treat
hallow plover
Some veteran's tale
outer wave
Oh shit
crisp heath
Largest possible oof
dusk patrol
It was one from Iraq too which was released fairly recent before his book as well iirc
Which made it even worse
queen laurel
reading the barely disguised fetish
storm jungle
^
the Iraq war was at its hottest around that time
I get why he did it, he didnt mean anything bad by it but like... literally just write experiences yourself dude. And I say this as an amateur writer lol
storm jungle
YEP
storm jungle
You really can fucking tell when you read it yeah
crisp heath
People who literally just write scifi/fantasy using their barely disguised fetish write the best books, but it has to be a fun one, and not like cannibalism
dusk patrol
I got the omnibus and I remember hating that book as the middle
outer wave
I get why he did it, he didnt mean anything bad by it but like... literally just...
Could have just used it as inspiration at least
winter vessel
People who literally just write scifi/fantasy using their barely disguised fetis...
Any examples?
dusk patrol
They’ve let go a few but generally it’s not under the worst circumstances more just not agreeing on stuff or creative stuff
But there’s been a few who have been a bit more spicy
crisp heath
Any examples?
Locked Tomb (which is a train wreck of kinks), Tolkien unironically (dude had a weird purity thing he projected onto elves)
storm jungle
They’ve let go a few but generally it’s not under the worst circumstances more j...
Basically this yeah
like uh
in BL you either sink or you swim
if you arent up for it you are just let go or leave yourself
you need actual standout books to rise above the rest
its a very weird ladder
dusk patrol
It’s like any creative business, it’s just tough and BL margins are always thin sadly
storm jungle
Yeee, sometimes you literally just get stuck writing short stories forever that absolutely nobody reads lol
the worst part is you also got no idea if people like your book or not, you actually have to go hunt down reviews on other sites since GW doesnt provide any official review page
hallow plover
Feels bad because short stories and solo books are often the best reads
outer wave
Being a BL writer must be absolutely stifling creative wise
storm jungle
very much so yeah
dusk patrol
There’s a lot of nice ones
dusk patrol
Being a BL writer must be absolutely stifling creative wise
It’s like writing for any universe
You have to be aware you’re not writing for yourself or learn how to work within it
winter vessel
Locked Tomb (which is a train wreck of kinks), Tolkien unironically (dude had a ...
Wait how does purity qualify as a fetish?
dusk patrol
Same as writing for a TV show for example often
storm jungle
You basically will get policed by the editors until you are recognizable enough to stand your ground, like Abnett and Gav can do anything since they've been writing for GW since like 1999-2001
meanwhile you got Josh Reynolds, whos books were great
but he left because GW didnt let him kill Bile
etc etc
Its a tough industry
queen laurel
but he left because GW didnt let him kill Bile
You have to be very popular to kill up a character huh
To be honest they should really start doing it
dusk patrol
Smh of course they did, Bile dies like fifty times in that series
outer wave
He should've made a clone of Bile named Mile who does die
winter vessel
Smh of course they did, Bile dies like fifty times in that series
He gots da clones
outer wave
And it's a plot twist that he was the clone the whole time
dusk patrol
Tbh his main issue is he should have come up with a new character to kill off
storm jungle
but in a universe like 40k it doesnt work
dusk patrol
You can kill off characters you just can’t be writing about an established one you made
The key is do what ADB does
Make your dude forest fucking gump whose part of all major events and then dies at the end
winter vessel
So what a small fish in a vast ocean?
viral halo
those make the best warhammer stories
main characters are a snooze fest
give me a random dude or dudette in the middle of nothing gettong fucked up
misty brook
And it's a plot twist that he was the clone the whole time
And the clones think they are or not the real one too.
dusk patrol
So what a small fish in a vast ocean?
You can make them a big fish tbh a lot of times
Just not the biggest
There’s a lot of mostly unexplored major factions
Like Honsou is the most consequential IW we know of
besides Perturabo
misty brook
There’s a lot of mostly unexplored major factions
Honsou deserved better.
hallow plover
Are there any IW characters still alive left around besides Honsou?
dusk patrol
Some but not from the heresy that I recall
The main heresy cast all died in Storm of Iron
dusk patrol
The thing with Storm of Iron too is it came out before they heresy
So the guys who died from the heresy died before they appeared in the heresy
Same with Dies Irae
They exist to die in that book thousands of years later in 40k
storm jungle
yeah like
people read how the Dies Irae died and go "wait after all that in the Heresy it goes out like that?"
and forget that book was before all that setup lol
its clunky but generally whatever
dusk patrol
Also it goes out in a really spectacular way tbh
misty brook
I don't know what's worse. Having lost a fleet of the indomitius crusade to Khornite corruption or the Pariah Nexus being raised by the Silent King.
dusk patrol
Gets punching in the “heart” core and blows up wiping out a bunch of other titans after an insane fight
dusk patrol
I don't know what's worse. Having lost a fleet of the indomitius crusade to Khor...
Razed?
Either way the Pariah Nexus is probably worse, neither are good but the good news is the Silent King is bad at politics and is setting himself up to being usurped by Imotekh.
And also Vashtorr is pulling a funny
crystal forum
what is the goal of the skelly crew anyways
misty brook
And also Vashtorr is pulling a funny
Yea. But the Silent King isn't alone though. He has his other two councilors and a C'tan shard he uses as his personal attack dog and battery for his throne.
dusk patrol
Imotekh is happy being Mr Shelly bones
The Silent King is still trying to undo biotransference
queen laurel
what is the goal of the skelly crew anyways
Returning to their flesh
That's why they want biomatter around because they need it
But of course there are also those that don't want to return
dusk patrol
Yea. But the Silent King isn't alone though. He has his other two councilors and...
That’s not what makes him dangerous, and Imotekh has been getting more and more support
Imotekh actually bothers to play politics and follow the ancient laws and stuff
The Silent King just demands support
The Silent King had more forces and still does but his war with Cawl has fucked up a lot of his stuff
And made him look like a fool
And now Vashtorr is in the nexus
winter vessel
Returning to their flesh
That's why they want biomatter around because they nee...
Flayed ones in a nutshell: “why don’t you pull it off? PULL OFF YOUR SKIN”
crystal forum
The Silent King is still trying to undo biotransference
can they even succeed
arctic talon
can they even succeed
Probably not
queen laurel
Out of every faction though they definitely are one of if not the most powerful if the united
arctic talon
Also the Necrons in general are pretty split about bio transference
Some see it as good, others terrible, others want to fucking ascend further
storm jungle
can they even succeed
Necrons are probably the most advanced scientific faction in 40k
so they pretty much can
its more a matter of "why even do it"
dusk patrol
They’re good in specific fields, the biotransference has a lot of issues they’ve brought up for why they haven’t been able to yet
They’re split rn between two main factions with the Silent King wanting to undo it still and Imotekh who doesn’t care, and enjoys how dominate it makes them
arctic talon
Also the whole missing soul part doesn’t help lol
paper haven
Spooky scary skeletons send shivers down your spine.
dusk patrol
Now how all the lords in between fall isn’t clear since
queen laurel
Also the Necrons in general are pretty split about bio transference
Can't they do something like the old pariahs
Where mixture of flesh and necrodermis?
dusk patrol
The divide isn’t necessarily those reasons for all of them
winter vessel
Didn’t illuminor Szeras have a hand in the body conversion of Necrons?
storm jungle
Yeah he did
dusk patrol
Th point is we don’t know
arctic talon
Pariah nexus is mostly just a sautekh and Szarekhan dick measuring contest
In terms of the civil war lol
dusk patrol
Szeras wants to ascend to being basically a C’tan
dusk patrol
And there’s not really clear goals for the lords supporting SK or Imotekh, most are doing it for political reasons or alliances or whatever
storm jungle
Im glad we are beyond such things IRL
dusk patrol
And not cause some side they’re choosing for philosophical reasons
storm jungle
winter vessel
While trazyn and orikan go at it like an old married couple
arctic talon
While trazyn and orikan go at it like an old married couple
They’re also part of different dynasties lol
dusk patrol
The main thing is Imotekh is letting the Silent King fuck up against the Ad Mech and look like a fool while he also pisses off the lords and ignores traditions and how things are done
storm jungle
The tradition angle is stupid to be fair
arctic talon
The silent king does the political misplay of the century
storm jungle
its more that he uses it to his advatnage
dusk patrol
He doesn’t have the numbers yet to beat him but he’s more shrewd
storm jungle
since necrons are just boomers
arctic talon
Tbf the Necrons do like tradition lol
winter vessel
Rattle me bones more like
storm jungle
The silent king does the political misplay of the century
Its like the U.S nuking south america and going "why does no one like me"
💀
dusk patrol
The tradition angle is stupid to be fair
It’s consistent with how we’ve seen Necrons shown and it makes sense for the Silent King
He’s arrogant and never had to care about others opinions before
And he’s more desperate
queen laurel
Trazyn basically ruins everything
*Shows up
*Takes something
*Doesn't like what he has taken because it is annoying to keep
*Yeets it somewhere
*Look for more shit to steal
storm jungle
It’s consistent with how we’ve seen Necrons shown and it makes sense for the Sil...
Well yeah i meant more that we as the audience know the traditions are dumb.
same with "codes of honor"
We will kill our enemies humanely
cue the gauss gun clip
winter vessel
>cue the gauss gun clip
The Mountain Dew beam is a terrifying killer
dusk patrol
Also doesn’t help there’s not a small percentage of Necron lords and dynasties that are insane or forget they’re robots half the time
storm jungle
Its even more varied ontop of that
some are fully sentient but are just assholes
or just go "you cant order me around"
or like, basically any political thing you can think of that counts as a "nuh uh"
dusk patrol
And also Imotekh has always been the most effective military leader for the Necrons and the Sautekhs inherited the mantle for a long time before the Silent King came back
arctic talon
Imotekh is the best necron tactician to ever live
dusk patrol
And now that they can, a lot of those dynasties blame the Silent King for the War in Heaven and shit and also for fucking off
Tl;dr politics are rough yo
storm jungle
Imotekh is the best necron tactician to ever live
You forgot the hand cutting part
arctic talon
He’s quirky like that
storm jungle
💀
arctic talon
Okay
dusk patrol
He likes to troll a lil
storm jungle
fucking Mortal Kombat character logic ass
dusk patrol
Hey it’s worked out mostly
storm jungle
Though its definitely one of the best "why does he let the canon characters he defeats live" excuses
dusk patrol
I’m just glad we get to see him being properly competent now
As opposed to “he’s so good trust me bro”
storm jungle
Also yeah he has an actual very big chunk of space conquered compared to uh-
dusk patrol
“Also Orks confuse him somehow”
storm jungle
yeah that lmao
dusk patrol
40k writers that’s not how tactics work
You don’t lose because your enemy runs around like their assholes are on fire
arctic talon
I do like how imotekh just decided to weather the storm that is the imperium being a bunch of psychopaths
While the silent king
Is trying to uh
storm jungle
He literally did the fucking Tsun Zu thing of "If your enemy is making a mistake let him keep going lmao"
arctic talon
Remove them lol
storm jungle
Remove them lol
Hes a lil dude like that
also again its so petty its funny
"Im not gonna attack the imperials, im gonna attack you"
queen laurel
“Also Orks confuse him somehow”
Orks are very Volatile
They can literally just send an infantry or next thing you know they teleported a giant war machine in your position because they found it funny
It takes a very strategic mind to even keep a consistent enough behavior breakdown
dusk patrol
Once again
That’s not how tactics work
Also they’re not even that unpredictable let’s be real
Sometimes they have wacky tech
Most don’t
winter vessel
Sometimes they have wacky tech
Like rocket on a stick
queen laurel
Also they’re not even that unpredictable let’s be real
Yeah and Orks aren't much for tactics
Like i get what your saying there are characters out there who specialize in dealing with their b******* but i'm just saying it takes a while for someone to get used to their antics
Like how would you deal with an enemy that can teleport their entire armored column into your frontline with the flick of a button
bold wren
Orks are constantly adapting and losing isn't seen as a loss by orks.
dusk patrol
They’re not mostly
dusk patrol
Like how would you deal with an enemy that can teleport their entire armored col...
You be a faction which can blast them away and handle all that with ease like the Necrons
Zahndrak for example has no issues with them
My point is, Imotekhs whole reason for why he has trouble with them is goofy
queen laurel
My point is, Imotekhs whole reason for why he has trouble with them is goofy
I mean i do understand from his point of view of how the hell do these dumbasses even function as a army
bold wren
Orks might not always be the brightest but they tend to learn from their previous things and the waaagh is how.
It's not warp magic it just unifies orks.
Orks have a deep connection with it and it's how orks often unify in a huge group. And less then a unified cause.
queen laurel
Uh yeah vivid we know
robust kraken
am i safe to assume that the admech have loads of lore?
dusk patrol
I mean i do understand from his point of view of how the hell do these dumbasses...
One thing I’ve always thought is it’s weird he doesn’t actually enjoy fighting them more since his tactic of personally dealing with their leader is actually more effective with them
Idk about loads
But there’s a good amount
More than most
bold wren
I mean you seemed confused so I answered.
dusk patrol
We’re not
robust kraken
ah okay cool, i saw the amount of horus heracy books and decided to look into that later
queen laurel
I mean you seemed confused so I answered.
I was talking about how imotekh view on fighting Orks
Not their powers or their adaptation or something
dusk patrol
queen laurel
One thing I’ve always thought is it’s weird he doesn’t actually enjoy fighting t...
He doesn't enjoy fighting the race with stubborn leaders that wouldn't hesitate to fight 1 on 1?
arctic talon
am i safe to assume that the admech have loads of lore?
Not really
They didn’t get a huge focus till like
dusk patrol
What Bulgur said, we’re talking about Imotekhs struggle with them
arctic talon
7e
dusk patrol
And how much sense it makes
queen laurel
Even tho he enjoys that kind of thing
dusk patrol
Even tho he enjoys that kind of thing
Yeah it’s jsut weird to me
arctic talon
Just don’t expect as much as other factions
dusk patrol
But tbh I’d have to check if the Ork thing is even said much anymore for him
robust kraken
i am v new to 40k and aos
dusk patrol
It might be older lore they don’t talk about anymore tbh
queen laurel
Yeah it’s jsut weird to me
Yeah that is pretty funky
dusk patrol
Of all the main Necron dudes
He’s the main “yo fam let’s duel” guy
Besides maybe Obyron and even he doesn’t really want to duel as much as just protect Zahndrak
bold wren
I mean to be honest many necrons seem self-centered and egotistical.
So I can't say I am surprised.
bold wren
Then Trazyn being a scientist for the most part.
queen laurel
It’s like *his thing*
I want him to turn Lucius into string cheese
bold wren
Just insulting Fabius Bile is actually pretty funny.
dusk patrol
Obyron is def just a body guard
Yeah based off when we’ve seen him duel I doubt he’d be able to take Imotekh
bold wren
Yeah Trazyn basically roasted Fabius Bile one time for his cloning technique being inferior.
dusk patrol
Even just based off their body and gear quality
Imotekh literally outheals massive “wounds” in the middle of fights
He’ll actually just stand there and let his enemy take their best shot waiting for the best chance to fuck then up
bold wren
Trazyn is just an total asshole but he is pretty funny even outside of memes.
dusk patrol
He’s a well done character
bold wren
Just insulting Fabius Bile is amazing.
dusk patrol
Rare case of a popular meme character living up to the hype
This does not absolve grimdank cause they got it right once
bold wren
Yeah he has met Fabius Bile and just roasted him one time for his cloning being inferior to him being a robot.
But to be honest Fabius Bile probably deserved it.
I mean have you seen that guy he tried cloning Horus and that worked so well for him.
Why clone people when you can just re-upload yourself is his thought process.
storm jungle
am i safe to assume that the admech have loads of lore?
If you wanna read most of the admech lore just read the wiki
they copy paste everything from official material
you can navigate to the parts you like/read the ones that interest you the most
if you want the short-but-understandable version use the Lexicanum 👍
robust kraken
thank u
storm jungle
No worries
dusk patrol
thank u
Vaults of Mars is a very good trilogy featuring them also
Imo the best
To get the vibe and stuff
robust kraken
will add that to my list
gray umbra
Fabulous bile is a good man and a good dad
dusk patrol
tough haven
Just insulting Fabius Bile is amazing.
You got the quote of that?
Also I love bile hatred in general, like in Genefather cawl hating on him
dusk patrol
It’s the end of I think the second bile book
tough haven
i am v new to 40k and aos
If you have questions ask away
robust kraken
what’s the most messed up feature / part of the admech?
dusk patrol
Probably servitors
The one Tau genocide conga line was kinda fucked but servitors are servitors
robust kraken
those are the lobotomised humans that are built to do one thing right?
like the med station in Darktide?
robust kraken
The one Tau genocide conga line was kinda fucked but servitors are servitors
also I’m sorry, the what?
robust kraken
do u remember the book that was in?
dusk patrol
It’s just a codex excerpt I think
It’s pretty silly imo
Generally the “most fucked yo stuff” is silly in 40k
robust kraken
I mean yeah “because writing” but damnnn
robust kraken
Generally the “most fucked yo stuff” is silly in 40k
I gathered, there are some things I can’t really see as “silly” tho
rocky gale
"Every day the Adeptus Mechanicus send out their Skitarii legions to round up the scattered tau civilians that have been unable to leave the planet. Long columns of aliens are herded across the plains by pitiless Skitarii killers with their faces half-hidden by rebreather masks. Wherever the tau rebel – and it is always, always en masse – they are put down without hesitation by rad bullet and galvanic charge. Long trails of corpses scar the land as a result, picked over by bald carrion and mangy savannah leonids. Some of these cadavers have decayed to the point the ground is covered by long chains of broken skeletons. At the end of these bone roads are the volcano complexes where the geothermic energy is farmed. The tau captives are marched into these underground lairs and either herded onto high platforms or pushed onto crude transit belts. Electric currents often flow through these conveyors, their charge enough to stun the tau and prevent them breaking free. Then the unfortunate captives are simply carried over the edge of mechanical cliffs to fall into the magma, each xenos civilian burning bright yellow as he or she sinks into the molten rock. The Adeptus Mechanicus claim detachment, as usual They say they are simply adding fuel, the better to power the steam engines high above. But I know better. This is a lesson, a statement so vile and extreme it will be carried by word of mouth across the Damocles Gulf and still further afield. The message is clear enough – those who sought to take advantage of the Imperium will find themselves on the pyre, becoming part of humanity’s great war machine in a far more direct fashion than they intended. Cross the sovereign territory of Mankind at your peril. We have inhumanity to spare. "
I assume this is the excerpt you're talking about
dusk patrol
I gathered, there are some things I can’t really see as “silly” tho
At a certain point it becomes a cartoon if you have people just doing that stuff for the sake of “wow that’s bad” imo
It’s so nonsensical and over the top
It’s just the author trying to think of the most convoluted shit they can think of
Daemonculba is another people overstate
It’s not even the worst thing in that novel either
It’s just mfers only knew lore from reading 1d4chan
robust kraken
Daemonculba is another people overstate
what is that?
robust kraken
also who is 1d4 chan? I’ve watched a bit of Bricky to get some basics on each faction and Legion but that’s it
ah ok coolio
dusk patrol
A dumb meme site
robust kraken
do u have a favourite “fucked up” bit of lore?
dusk patrol
With a lot of shit lore that people regurgitate
dusk patrol
do u have a favourite “fucked up” bit of lore?
Tbh
It’s not really my interest in 40k
robust kraken
no?
dusk patrol
And the worst stuff is always more tame anyways
robust kraken
what’s your main interest then?
rocky gale
It’s so nonsensical and over the top
Well in this case it's purposefully over the top because it's the Imperium sending a message, it's like Vlad Tepes impaling 20,000 Turkish soldiers.
storm jungle
also who is 1d4 chan? I’ve watched a bit of Bricky to get some basics on each fa...
If you want actual lore id suggest watching someone like Arbitrator Ian, he has a very nice faction introduction video and 40k timeline video + where to get started one
its not biased at all ala Bricky's and more straightforward and actually points you to places.
storm jungle
what is that?
It was basically a small Iron Warriors chaos warband abducting slave women they had and gestating babies inside them with space marine geneseed before they burst out as mutant-esque battle brothers for them to fill their ranks.
Once the said woman's stomach is burst they staple it back up and start again, its very fucked up but theres definitely worst stuff out there.
Its very Human Centipede, just shock-horror
tough haven
They made a giant conga line for tau to walk into a Volcano
while being electrified
just for fun by the way
dusk patrol
Generally my thing is, it’s super super easy to just come up with some fucked up thing and it tends to be something the lesser authors rely on
tough haven
it definitely does not serve a purpose
tough haven
Generally my thing is, it’s super super easy to just come up with some fucked up...
true
dusk patrol
It’s boring
tough haven
it can be done well
I find its done better lightly
when they dont focus on it as much
robust kraken
I do wanna get into the painting and tt side eventually but the price is massive, was thinking about getting one of the books tho
tough haven
cause stuff like the tau genocide congaline is just commonplace in the imperium
tough haven
I do wanna get into the painting and tt side eventually but the price is massive...
try tabletop simulator
storm jungle
also yeah the tau conga line is played to be comedic
tough haven
an easy and cheap way to get into the tabletop
robust kraken
try tabletop simulator
yes, I did get that but setting it up is a bit of a nightmare for me, taking my time w it and trying my best
dusk patrol
Like my favorite books the “fucked up” stuff is generally fairly light but its characters you care about so it worse
tough haven
when they dont focus on it as much
if they're just like "yeah also theres the 8th hab block we've executed for loss of production this week but that doesnt matter"
tough haven
Like my favorite books the “fucked up” stuff is generally fairly light but its c...
true
robust kraken
try tabletop simulator
a lot of the people around me play 40K so they wanna do that as well
storm jungle
you are VERY lucky
tough haven
yes, I did get that but setting it up is a bit of a nightmare for me, taking my ...
I can try to answer questions if you'd like
storm jungle
most people got nobody near them to play it
tough haven
that the main reason I do TTS
so I can actually find games
but yeah I can answer lore questions too
robust kraken
most people got nobody near them to play it
I say “around” not near bc they are in places like Scotland
dusk patrol
A good example I think is with wrestling, in the 90s and early 2000s they started having wrestlers blade, aka cut their forehead or whatever to bleed, during matches more for the effect
Cause it can look cool if don’t right
But if fucking everyone does it
Every week
It doesn’t matter anymore
tough haven
thats a good analogy
storm jungle
A good example I think is with wrestling, in the 90s and early 2000s they starte...
I've watched shit like Hostel/other needlesly violent movies or comic books so like unless its torture regarding nails nothing fazes me 💀
robust kraken
I can try to answer questions if you'd like
is there a quick way to find a certain unit?
tough haven
is there a quick way to find a certain unit?
in tts?
dusk patrol
I've watched shit like Hostel/other needlesly violent movies or comic books so l...
Yah and overexposure to stuff like this jsut makes it goofy
storm jungle
Yeah pretty much
tough haven
like what are you looking for
models to associate?
theres a mod pack that has all the models, they arent really up to date, but they work
dusk patrol
It’s part of my annoyance with the Boys, I get it’s kinda the aesthetic and point but man I’m kinda done with the whole “oh man if someone super strong punched someone they’d fucking die horribly” sorta deal
Especially when they’re trying to have some sorta “commentary” at the same time
robust kraken
models to associate?
yeah so like the ballistari (hope I spelt that right) they’re easy to find, but when looking for something specific and small it’s harder to find
Is it a struggle and read each name or does it have like a ctrl+f function, i am using forceorg
tough haven
It’s part of my annoyance with the Boys, I get it’s kinda the aesthetic and poin...
I thought you meant Da Boyz, and I was really confused
tough haven
yeah so like the ballistari (hope I spelt that right) they’re easy to find, but ...
I use newrecruit for making lists
really easy to use
robust kraken
It’s part of my annoyance with the Boys, I get it’s kinda the aesthetic and poin...
a lot of my reason to watch the boys is to see the CGI, it’s something I’m going into in uni so it’s a very good case study for it
storm jungle
It’s part of my annoyance with the Boys, I get it’s kinda the aesthetic and poin...
its why i keep rolling my eyes at people going "HOLY SHIT" at 40k's violence because its very "basic" and not too shocking for the most part. I think the only thing ive ever been disgusted by in 40k has been the daemonculaba but i got mostly over it and that cardinal in Forges of Mars getting turned into an arco-flagellant.
The fucking AMOUNT of detail the author went for that latter one was just oof
With the Boys the violence is the appeal and I appreciate a bit of realism with it when its the TV show, its not like the comic where its made for "haha lol this kid had his brains blow up"
Garth Ennis is a piece of shit lol
robust kraken
I use newrecruit for making lists
I will definitely look into that, out of curiosity does anyone use the 40K app?
dusk patrol
its why i keep rolling my eyes at people going "HOLY SHIT" at 40k's violence bec...
My annoyance with the boys is they kinda lose the plot a lot of times for the sake of “lol violence”
storm jungle
I think its still pretty good.
the violence gets a bit overbearing sure but the actors help
Im not gonna beat the horse by saying how much of a great actor Starr is as usual lol
dusk patrol
Like how it’s somehow awful when bad supe does this horrific thing but then Kimiko does the same or worse to some random security guard and I’m supposed to be like “yeah girl power”
storm jungle
I will definitely look into that, out of curiosity does anyone use the 40K app?
I heard its very shitty 💀
storm jungle
Like how it’s somehow awful when bad supe does this horrific thing but then Kimi...
well she IS doing it to awful people
im not gonna cry over a russian loan shark getting his face ripped off 💀
dusk patrol
“No you don’t get it we put 80s action music behind it so it’s cool now”
robust kraken
I heard its very shitty 💀
alllll the data sheets are paywall locked
viral halo
I will definitely look into that, out of curiosity does anyone use the 40K app?
it's good for list building and that's about it
dusk patrol
well she IS doing it to awful people
I mean the end of last season when she’s jsut murdering some random security guards, which they’re there to save for some reason also
But I could go on a whole tangent on how much the last episode of the last season was just
plush mason
its not biased at all ala Bricky's and more straightforward and actually points ...
yeah he full on says all he does is give the surface level intro stuff to the lore which i like
dusk patrol
Ruined everything they built up
storm jungle
alllll the data sheets are paywall locked
What the fuck
okay nvm lmao
you're better off pirating that shit
robust kraken
yes, some are hard to find tho
specifically the admech I’ve been struggling to find the Codex (I like reading the lore tidbits) for 10e
storm jungle
I literally have an entire trove of pirated 40k books because I cannot legally acquire them thanks to BL not having anything in my region for some reason???
rocky gale
Garth Ennis is a piece of shit lol
I remember when Garth Ennis happened to be doing a book signing event at a store I was trying to shop in, everyone was lining up outside the store to meet him so I just pushed past and shopped like normal while ignoring him sat there.
storm jungle
specifically the admech I’ve been struggling to find the Codex (I like reading t...
you gotta wait when its recent codexes
they usually appear in PDF form sooner or later
I say since I pirate everything 40k because BL doesnt allow me to get anything due to a region difference 💀
storm jungle
Black Library, warhammer's main book providing branch
I cannot legally buy anything which is like um 💀
robust kraken
ahh makes sense, I’m local to where all the shit is made so
do u not have straight up GW or Warhammer shops where you’re from?
gray umbra
Damn thats crazy
storm jungle
dusk patrol
My condolences
storm jungle
all good
i prefer just torrenting anyway
when i wanna buy a book i just pay a friend
and he buys and gives it to me digitally
robust kraken
ayyyy that’s the shit
Thank you for the help tho, really cool to see a non toxic community around video games and lore stuff nowadays
gray umbra
Usually the toxic ones get laughed out
dusk patrol
arctic talon
I will definitely look into that, out of curiosity does anyone use the 40K app?
people who use the app generally already have the warhammer+ sub for some other reason
dusk patrol
Oh yeah toxic
rocky gale
and I'm technically Venomous rather than Toxic
dusk patrol
Yeah that’s not me
gray umbra
Sorry i consider the imperium simps to be toxic lol
arctic talon
Usually the toxic ones get laughed out
gray umbra
I havent followed the lore as closely as i did so im mostly out of the loop so if im wrong about somethinh im wrong
But dont tell me how life would be amazing if we had the imperiums government lmao
arctic talon
I'm just making a dumb joke about how generally online 40k is a lot more toxic then irl
mostly because online wierdos are online weirdos
storm jungle
Thank you for the help tho, really cool to see a non toxic community around vide...
Thats mostly because unlike most other 40k servers we actually ban racist/fascist users
crazy I know
robust kraken
I meant more League or Rust but those e x i s t ?
robust kraken
i mean I would ask why, but I get the picture
arctic talon
Thats mostly because unlike most other 40k servers we actually ban racist/fascis...
most of the big 40k servers tend to do that in general tbf since the people who run them aren't you know
storm jungle
i mean I would ask why, but I get the picture
Imperium is bad but people think its good
simple as
arctic talon
nah its based
storm jungle
most of the big 40k servers tend to do that in general tbf since the people who ...
The Imperial Guard server changing their aquilla to an LGBT one is a gigachad strategy
green loom
It can get pretty weird
robust kraken
that’s a bit much ain’t it? Being a full fledged facist bc warhammer?
arctic talon
there are
def some people like that
I have had the pleasure of meeting one in real life
green loom
that’s a bit much ain’t it? Being a full fledged facist bc warhammer?
Have you ever encountered like, crusader memes?
dusk patrol
But dont tell me how life would be amazing if we had the imperiums government lm...
Lottocracy is the only moral government.
robust kraken
Have you ever encountered like, crusader memes?
This is the first Warhammer place I’ve been so far
robust kraken
ohhhh, no
arctic talon
Lottocracy is the only moral government.
gamblecore
robust kraken
i mean, uk Empire and all that jazz but yk
arctic talon
dusk patrol
I feel like we don’t need to hyperfocus on the bad stuff especially if he’s not even seen it.
robust kraken
I have had the **pleasure** of meeting one in real life
also you should tell us
arctic talon
I don't want to
green loom
Ur right here's art instead
arctic talon
because its not important
robust kraken
o h g o d
dusk patrol
There’s alway a couple weirdos at your LGS
Hopefully it’s just the ones who get mad cause the owner won’t let them bring out their third party army made of all nude women variants
robust kraken
Oh I’ve heard nothing but good things about games online, genuinely all I’ve heard is people are very open about teaching / playing 40K and AOS
gray umbra
Its usually a minority
rocky gale
There’s alway a couple weirdos at your LGS
Like the GW employee at the Warhammer store who thinks I'm a new person coming into the store for the first time everytime I see him.
dusk patrol
It’s rare especially irl I meet many fans who are unironically that bad
arctic talon
^yeah
dusk patrol
Annoying maybe? Sure
Need to use more deodorant? Sure
But generally it’s a decent enough group
storm jungle
that’s a bit much ain’t it? Being a full fledged facist bc warhammer?
Basically to cut it short without drawing the topic out since we all hear it here alot; it generally spawns from either being Pro Imperium who literally do like nazi-tier warcrimes to humans as much as aliens but people keep saying they are our only hope (they are not, everyone is bad you just pick the one that looks the coolest) and constantly try to act defensive about it. Theres unfortunately a ton of these people that dont realise the satire and black comedy of the setting and act like they'd give their life for the Imperium.
Or just normal toxic idiots who rag on you about you liking Age of Sigmar or just some faction that isnt Space Marines and is Imperial Guard, Xenos, etc
And unfortunately most of the time they turn out to be actual homophobes, racists, sexists, etc or whatever.
thats basically it
dusk patrol
Maybe but I suspect it’s more those people don’t meet anyone irl
arctic talon
^yeah this
dusk patrol
You don’t see them at LGS cause they don’t go anywhere
rocky gale
You can usually sus out those people pretty quick when you meet them
and then you just avoid
arctic talon
either way most people I've met irl have been plesant people
robust kraken
for me, funny human-robot do shoot and maybe some other fucked up stuff
arctic talon
who are annoying at worse
gray umbra
Chainsword go brr
static ginkgo
No
gray umbra
Haha explodey bullet
dusk patrol
Also tbh most people into 40k or whatever are in it for super surface level stuff
arctic talon
yeah that
rocky gale
either way most people I've met irl have been plesant people
I've met a couple of gross oldheads, but that's about it. Most have been fine.
dusk patrol
The causal fan jsut thinks space men with sword is cool
robust kraken
Chainsword go brr
can i just say, i play Zealot and the chainsword goes undoubtedly hard
arctic talon
Meme lore makes me want to
dusk patrol
Or robot men with hood are neat
gray umbra
My only complaint about darktides chainsword is that its not always on
dusk patrol
They rarely have read a book on the setting beyond maybe some codex stuff
gray umbra
For better or for worse
dusk patrol
My only complaint about darktides chainsword is that its not always on
It’s partially balance and partially lower tier ones have to conserve ammo
robust kraken
They rarely have read a book on the setting beyond maybe some codex stuff
I’ve thought about it, but i still need to read thru the core book that I bought
arctic talon
you always get the funny saw effect
dusk patrol
Same reason the power sword exists how it does in the game
gray umbra
I just like the brrr
green loom
Time to draw D99 Elysians
dusk patrol
Same tbh
green loom
Power maul moveset my beloved
dusk patrol
Me like when big weapon go pow
gray umbra
I used to be a space marine fan as a teenager but i kind of grew to appreciate the imperial guard recently
storm jungle
for me, funny human-robot do shoot and maybe some other fucked up stuff
Admech are like literally so evil that Chaos Admech have basically no difference between them minus having more spikes and using daemons.
its great
gray umbra
Just regular people going at shit way above their heads
green loom
Cawl trying to wrangle his WMD armed buddies from trying their toys out in the Pariah Nexus
arctic talon
Admech are like literally so evil that Chaos Admech have basically no difference...
mmmmmmmmmmm servitors
dusk patrol
It’s fun cause it lights up and goes BEOW
arctic talon
real
storm jungle
Just regular people going at shit way above their heads
storm jungle
I was gonna post this on grimdank today but im lazy will do it tomorrow
green loom
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/986935709569011722/1240053751675617421/Ca...
You should've used broforde
gray umbra
Lol
dusk patrol
I unironically think being a Catachan is one of the better options in 40k, yeah you’re probably gonna die horribly but you get to live outdoors, be firstly independent in your life, hang out with the lads, are super valued more or less, very equip for combat environments
green loom
It has aliens, daemons, vaguely cultist looking dudes
green loom
that clip is legit too accurate
OH fair lmao
storm jungle
storm jungle
https://tenor.com/view/mini-kong-baby-kong-godzilla-x-kong-the-new-empire-godzil...
average catachan parent
dusk patrol
Kong beating up other giant monkes with a baby giant monke
dusk patrol
It’s ok though because for some reason this doesn’t kill the little shit
Also he’s a prick for the first half of the movie so he deserves it
gray umbra
Monke see action
plush mason
actual apes would do this shit
yeah because thats literally all he is, just a giant ape
dusk patrol
Oh also that movie features Godzilla suplexing Kong off one of the great pyramids
plush mason
like he has no reason to win in most kaiju fights
dusk patrol
There’s a clear reason Kong wins
He’s smart and uses tools and traps and shit
That’s also why Godzilla wins a lot
storm jungle
Hes just like us fr
plush mason
big part of the Kong Vs series is that he needs the help of humans to win some of the biggest fights
storm jungle
He’s smart and uses tools and traps and shit
dusk patrol
Sometimes yeah
He has his axe and now the power fist for a reason
He’s definitely an analogue for humanity a lot of times
plush mason
Kong is the "good guy" in those movies and fights for us
storm jungle
Kong is very human too
which like yeah adds up
"GOJI I DONT WANNA FIGHT BRO"
Gets tackled
burnt maple
"GET OFFA MY LAAAAAAAAWN!"
dusk patrol
Godzilla is more animalistic and cunning, he adapts and reacts to tactics fast but he’s not communicating really. He just is.
My favorite thing with the legendary movies is how you can directly see Godzilla changing tactics or adjusting based on the fights and never making the same mistake
burnt maple
Yup.
dusk patrol
They clearly think through the monster fights a lot and keep consistent “power levels” mostly
storm jungle
All jokes aside yeah people go off about how "its so goofy" while never realising how much character all the main monsters show off in fight scenes
like yeah mfer thats the point lol
dusk patrol
Yeah they nail that part of the movies
storm jungle
dusk patrol
The human stuff is always there for 1. So the monster stuff doesn’t grow stale 2. Reference and exposition 3 budgetary reasons
I fucking loved the Skar Kings whole drunken master slimey style of fighting
storm jungle
Very much so, the only time ill accept the "theres too many human scenes" if they overshadow the monster stuff which is the only time i can understand it fairly, otherwise if its pure monsters it deffo loses the sense of scale
get his ass boys
dusk patrol
I love it but I will never not be baffled that somehow of all the attempted franchises studios have tried recently
The Monsterverse is somehow one of the most consistent imo
storm jungle
the MCU affected cinema in a lot of ways with that 💀
also its prob because it actually takes its time too
like theres not that many monsterverse movies admittedly
even that fuckign TV show is great
and its 95% humans
bold wren
Humans aren't usually that important people just want to see monsters fight.
dusk patrol
I still need to see it but I’ve heard it’s great
bold wren
Usually.
storm jungle
Its not like "OMG ITS AMAZING"
But the drama/family shit and the characters are fun
also it does great worldbuilding
storm jungle
Same, i think its generally because it still keeps the realistic tone
burnt maple
My fav is 2014, honestly.
bold wren
Mothra is pretty cool sometimes.
storm jungle
thats fair too
dusk patrol
2014 is my second definitely
storm jungle
Mothra is too cute 🙏
storm jungle
was that Shin
bold wren
Mhm.
burnt maple
You mean Shin?
bold wren
Shin Godzilla is amazing
storm jungle
Yeah Shin is its own category, its fucking legendary
bold wren
I like how disturbing it was.
storm jungle
Godzilla also is just an eldritch monster in that
bold wren
Now we need Shin Ghidorah
storm jungle
its definitely THE most unique take on ihm
bold wren
Please
burnt maple
Eh, from the Japanese Godzillas... Minus One is an absolute PEAK. Of cine.a, of Godzilla, of everything.
storm jungle
Minus is good if you want a classic goji, I love Shin since its so different
bold wren
Ghidorah with his heads would make it possible to make something horrific.
Shin is just great at making horrific scenarios
rocky gale
What gets me about Shin Godzilla is that it literally spends the entire movie in extreme pain.
burnt maple
Yup.
storm jungle
every he roars, its because hes in extreme pain
bold wren
Oh the form that got cut.
storm jungle
and just wants to die lol
dusk patrol
rocky gale
Like it's blood is boiling constantly
rocky gale
It just can't die
storm jungle
that shit is great because you know for the whole movie people were like "wtf wheres the atomic breath this movie sucks smh"
dusk patrol
When he can
bold wren
That's like some mortal kombat kill.
storm jungle
then his spine starts to light up
dusk patrol
that shit is great because you know for the whole movie people were like "wtf wh...
I think my thing is the movies are so good at like “Hey why doesn’t he just do this”
And then he does it
bold wren
The people who made the movie loved classic Godzilla
storm jungle
hes very much a big part of cinema culture
dusk patrol
They just nail what you want to see him do
burnt maple
storm jungle
man that in Minus 1 is 💀
burnt maple
The best atomic breath scene.
arctic talon
Godzilla is peak fiction
storm jungle
Godzilla is peak fiction
Insert Scorcese here
bold wren
Godzilla goes to hell is interesting
dusk patrol
2014 when his spine first starts lightning up too is so perfect
And the sound is jsut
bold wren
It really isn't a movie but it is interesting as a concept.
dusk patrol
I love it
arctic talon
>Insert Scorcese here
burnt maple
Be well.
dusk patrol
Gareth Edwards talks about how he spent a year designing him for 2014 Godzilla because he wanted him to look cool and dangerous from every angle
burnt maple
Also, I will die on the hill called "Minus One is the best Godzilla movie up to date"
dusk patrol
And also the best thing 2014 did I think was almost every shot of Godzilla has a human in frame at some point
That’s why he has the soldiers parachute down partially
So they can have a human in frame as much as possible to convey scale
Also that halo jump scene is gorgeous
burnt maple
Also, because human perspective makes sense of attachment to the scene.
dusk patrol
I gotta go rewatch this shit too now fuck
burnt maple
"I could be there" "I see it!"
rocky gale
Can't forget Godzilla 1998, made by Roland Emmerich where as part of the agreement he made that allowed him to make a Godzilla movie he was given a detailed list of all things that he had to do or not do with Godzilla and he threw the entire list in the bin.
dusk patrol
Yeah it gives you connection
We don’t talk about Zilla
The important thing is without it, we wouldn’t get the current movies
It’s a weird path but
We’re eating good these days
rocky gale
Like he was literally told "You can make the movie only if you follow the rules in this book" and he completely ignored it
dusk patrol
It’s so wild how successful basically every movie and show has been with this stuff
burnt maple
I liked the 1998 as a monster movie.
dusk patrol
It’s very 90s
burnt maple
Too goofy for any Godzilla, but monster thing? Sure.
rocky gale
I remember watching this as a kid and wanting to be Godzilla
burnt maple
As a Godzilla fan? Yes.
I like the design, however. More of an, uh... Natural? Take on the matter.
plush mason
i really liked the more realistic look of Godzilla in one of the movies more just a really big dio even tho the rest of the movie was mid
burnt maple
Pretty much this, yes.
plush mason
its the one that gave us the scene of Godzilla roaring while grabbing the empire state building
bold wren
Minilla?
burnt maple
its the one that gave us the scene of Godzilla roaring while grabbing the empire...
Peak.
bold wren
Godzilla Junior
dusk patrol
It’s bad but I also think without it being so bad for a Godzilla movie
bold wren
Not terrible but peak Godzilla no
dusk patrol
We wouldn’t have had them take such care with 2014
burnt maple
Eh, the kid Godzilla I never cared for.
dusk patrol
2014 they really put a lot effort into because how maligned 1998 was
And it payed off
burnt maple
I love the shot of that lizard on empire state.
bold wren
It's more for younger audiences Minilla.
plush mason
I love the shot of that lizard on empire state.
yeah very iconic
fuck i cant remeber the movie's name or date
burnt maple
Keep it that way.
plush mason
wasnt the whole point of the kid to set up the Mothra grudge?
gray umbra
I never knew godzilla was a "good job son" sort of guy
bold wren
Godzilla isn't exactly evil
plush mason
Godzilla is a force of nature
bold wren
They have leaning alliances.
plush mason
or Kratos
bold wren
Kratos isn't evil to be honest have you seen god mythology