#40k-lore-chat

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plush mason
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the 40k show could easily end up the same way, widely well liked with a loud minority of 40k andies being pissed off and ragging on it

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it could also go the way of the halo show

celest dome
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Tbh even if they sticked to cannon amd don't do anything that would be noteworthy you'd have people complain about a part or 2

plush mason
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ofc

winged jacinth
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40k is definitely more expensive to produce than fallout just on a prop and effect level

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a lot of fallout stuff is just junk which saves a lot of money

plush mason
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true

arctic talon
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I would rather the show have a low stakes in the grand scheme of things plot

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Those are my favorite stories in 40K

celest dome
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Self contained is best

arctic talon
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Yeah

bold wren
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Sounds stupid

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That people think it's irrelevant

bold wren
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Not going into other things just saying when he leaves a thing like that a good idea to think it might not be good.

celest dome
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Why would Cavill leave ?

bold wren
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Because the show is likely going to suck.

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It's just Amazon trying to take control over the show instead of letting people write the show.

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Let people write.

celest dome
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Tacticus adds are being really confusing, they're making a World Eater faction or something, but advertising them with the Jakhals

bold wren
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It's a mobile game not interested

celest dome
bold wren
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Amazon let them write what they needed to.

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It's not the same for the Warhammer 40k show.

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To what I have heard.

celest dome
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Yes, so why would it be different for Cavill.
The only one that is difficult to control is GW, not amazon

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Amazon here is not the problem

bold wren
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GW being stupid who would've thought.

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Not surprised it's been like this for years.

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People are only surprised now that GW hasn't cared about Warhammer 40k for years.

scenic bolt
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is this referencing the nintendo meme

celest dome
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Can people stop with Ip holder/author/Dev not caring about their properties

bold wren
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Because they clearly do not.

celest dome
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Warhammer is and always was primarily a medium to sell miniatures. They don't care more or less than before.
And to me they care more than other ip that get whored out at every moment

bold wren
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Give them too much authority over the property and see how much further they will ruin it.

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Ceos aren't known for being smart people.

celest dome
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It is because they care that they keep authority over it

bold wren
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Wrong.

scenic bolt
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whole things a nothingburger the origin of the rumor was a troll post

bold wren
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It's only for money not actually care about the property.

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And the quality says more about their lack of proper care for a franchise.

scenic bolt
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the tg poster literally put my dad works for nintendo

bold wren
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They don't need to say anything to prove how GW and their quality has went down hill so much so that 3D printing is just better now.

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It's the truth genuinely and not the fact that it isn't grimdark.

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People only care about money then risk their integrity as a brand as well 40k isn't just a means to make money, but a hobby and art for many.

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Otherwise if you only go after the money it makes a soulless product with no love put into it.

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I would prefer it remains niche.

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Just as main stream causes more issues for some franchises.

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Seems lame.

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I wouldn't want anything to deal with GW if that was the case.

rocky gale
scenic bolt
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thats cause they already did fall for a troll post

rocky gale
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Because there's been no announcements from Cavill, GW, Amazon or any legitimate source. It's just grifters like this spreading shit in their "War against Woke"

scenic bolt
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like most of the 'insider' info was that which was poking fun at the femstodes stuff but threw in other bits to rile it up

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like I said earlier the tg guy signed off that his source was his dad works for nintendo

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but you get the ragebait guys like above that're just interested in clicks and engagement and dont really care about accuracy nor do their audience

plush mason
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^

shadow plover
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and there are dozens of them

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then the people who believe them at face value start spreading the incorrect information and normal people start hearing about it

plush mason
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there was a clickbait short about Cavil i saw recently

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something about him being exposed on his status as a 40k fan, the short was just that he hasnt played 10e yet you know because its brand new lol

rocky gale
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If the rumours were in anyway credible then there would be online articles being written about it, but there aren't, because even online shlock gaming journalists can recognise that there's no story here

plush mason
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yeah

shadow plover
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online articles (besides spikeybits)

scenic bolt
plush mason
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that and their bosses know Amazon would drop the sun on them if they spread these rumors

scenic bolt
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it just takes one guy falling for a 4chan post before it gets legs and becomes 'sources say'

plush mason
# scenic bolt

that is such a painfully obvious troll post only people with 0 idea what 40k is would ever believe it

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which is funny enough the kind of people that are trying to push this culture wars crap rn

scenic bolt
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like people were cheesing over it days later when you had youtubers posting it as sourced facts

shadow plover
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and it's amazing how many chuds started to spread it like gospel

rocky gale
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People really laugh at boomers falling for obvious Facebook scams, then turn around and think this is legit.

plush mason
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ikr

shadow plover
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"it's on 4chan so it must a be legit leak"

shadow plover
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your average brainrot channel about warhammer

plush mason
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not even about warhammer

shadow plover
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true enough

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just yapping about things they've no idea about

plush mason
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just your average culture wars brainrot channel

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if YT was a half decent company such channels would be against TOS

scenic bolt
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it's just getting tilted over a revolving door of media franchises repeatedly

plush mason
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yeah

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and imo if your channel's whole point is to just lie to people it should be banned

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true

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but all google cares about is money

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fucking shareholders make Jabba the Hutt look like a charity organizer

scenic bolt
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just cares about getting eyeballs on screen, regardless of what does it, the only time they ever step in is if it's out and out by law illegal

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or it would tie them up in a related legal case to the degree where it costs them money

chilly palm
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that person is just fucking lying???

wanton stag
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16+ minutes of absolute nonesense

green loom
grim bear
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Could pls anybody tell me the lore of this symbol. Where did it first occure (Adeptus Ministorum? Or before) and what does it represent (I from the first letter of Imperium?)

celest dome
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That's the Inquisition symbol, it's the Imperial Sigil, first seen with Malcador iirc

grim bear
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So Malcador - Adeptus Ministorum - Inquisition

celest dome
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Malcador, for the shape/I
Then all other organisations filled/modified them to their own use

grim bear
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Why I?

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Why Malcador chose this letter

fallen marsh
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Many imperial organisations use versions of this sign

grim bear
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Imperator, or Imperium?

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And what was the first organisation that took this symbol - Adeptus?

celest dome
celest dome
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He is the first to use it

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This is the first one, then the Inquisition used it and the other following suite

fallen marsh
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Well he was the one who build whole imperial administration

celest dome
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Yes, but the Inquisition is noted of using it first iirc

fallen marsh
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Maybe. I am not sure really. I don't know if its explained anywhere how they got their signs.

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Connecting it to Imperator, his name and how he signed things is rather simple one

grim bear
fallen marsh
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Question is if he used that symbol before meeting Imperator

shell mason
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"I wait for you, and I forgive you."
-Emperor of mankind to a Chaos broken Horus before killing him

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Possiblility that Horus returns?

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or when a emps possessed robertae girlyman says theres a chance for morty to be redeemed

paper haven
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I like to think it's possible for all the fallen primarchs to be redeemed but I honestly have no clue how that can be done without being a massive handwave

shell mason
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I mean

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Morty freeing Isha is possible

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that would most likely be accepted by the fandom

rocky gale
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The thing with redeeming Traitor Primarchs is that as a narrative perspective it's possible, but from the tabletop perspective it would screw over the Chaos factions

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Unless they turn it into a "Soul Split" thing, where both redeemed and Daemon versions somehow exist seperately of eachother

paper haven
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Redeemed CSM warbands vs their Daemonic counterparts would be interesting to see but would definitely throw everything into... Chaos.

crystal forum
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i think angron is on the tippy top of mount everest of least likely

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most likely would maybe be magnus?

celest dome
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Atm none would be able to be redeemed

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They've had their souls replaced when they became Daemon prince

crystal forum
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some are definitely worse than others though imo

crystal forum
celest dome
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When you become a Daemon Prince, you lose your soul, becoming closer to a Daemon

crystal forum
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what does the soul do

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is that actually a thing in 40k

celest dome
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Yes

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Souls is what make being into what they are

tough haven
rocky gale
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Morty could be redeemed with a nice soak in a warm bubble bath and Perturabo could be redeemed with a soft hug

tough haven
shell mason
tough haven
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No no, I mean when big G and big E talked after his resurrection

shell mason
tough haven
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Do we have a quote

shell mason
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yes one sec

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it's weird to try to explain

storm jungle
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The Imperium loves using the letter "I" so hence the confusion above I guess lol

green loom
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Oh shit I didn't even notice we got a female ogor

storm jungle
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they have been a thing for awhile yeah

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just uh, you know

green loom
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Stuff like this makes me wish I had time f-

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Wait a minute

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I do have time for reading now

misty vector
green loom
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▶ Play video
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Was this vid

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I think the scene itself is Hammer and Bolter?

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Dilara will correct me I forget which one it is

arctic talon
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Looks like early hammer and bolter

shell mason
shell mason
arctic talon
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Anyone who takes 4chan as a legitimate source for 40K leaks should be burned at the pyre

coarse pumice
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did a lot of stuff go wrong around M36?

arctic talon
shell mason
tough haven
shell mason
arctic talon
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I love random wrong leaks for clout

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It’s so fun

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And totally not annoying

shell mason
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me

arctic talon
celest dome
shell mason
storm jungle
rocky gale
storm jungle
shell mason
shell mason
rocky gale
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Witch burnings in general are massively inflated, like if you ask some people they will tell you Europe burned 500k witches, when like confirmed numbers of executed witches in general is around 12k

shell mason
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in fact what is the difference between a wizard and a witch

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.....brb

rocky gale
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Yea, at Salem men and women alike were accused of being Witches

celest dome
shell mason
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Okay

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Wizard is a man that practice witchcraft

storm jungle
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Anyone who practices magic/supernatural talents can easily be considered a "witch"

shell mason
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Witch is a woman that does the fireball

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It's to put a gender on it

storm jungle
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okay but "witch" is used on men in 40k too

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we dont discriminate

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but we also do

paper haven
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Well

shell mason
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just not by gender

rocky gale
paper haven
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We do discriminate but it's broader than gender

storm jungle
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depends on the planet staregryn

storm jungle
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the people that did those trials were about as dumb as your average reddit user

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💀

paper haven
shell mason
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I do not use reddit

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do not quote me on that

paper haven
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If I recall, the actual witch hunter showed up and was like: "Yeah, there's no evidence these people are witches."

shell mason
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For false confessions

paper haven
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Yep. That one guy got tortured to death and refused to confess.

dusk patrol
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People misrepresent the Witch Trials anyways, they just were an excuse to kill some mfers

rocky gale
dusk patrol
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It was a power play mostly

shell mason
arctic talon
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it was to get land/money pretty much

rocky gale
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A lot of it came down to land disputes and money

dusk patrol
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Also the Crucible while a good book isn’t super accurate to the events

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Or play I guess

shell mason
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Or they were just petty

dusk patrol
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Basically

rocky gale
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Doesn't the Crucible add in a love story for some reason?

dusk patrol
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It was a way to settle grudges, I doubt many people really bought into it

shell mason
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Amazing to think we haven't gotten to far from that, but i digress

dusk patrol
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The unfortunate thing is IRL witch trials were kinda boring and more based around “I wanna kill this mfer” than actually thinking someone was a witch

shell mason
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Correct

dusk patrol
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The idea we have of witch trials is very Hollywoodized

thorn zenith
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really easy to kill someone back then

dusk patrol
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Reminds me of the John Mulaney bit of trying to solve old timey murders

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“Well this guys dead, and there’s no obvious footprints. So I got no idea.”

shell mason
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perfect crime

thorn zenith
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yeah, and just shrug when anyone asks

shell mason
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exactly

rocky gale
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As simple as

"Where'd John the farmer's eldest son go, he just disappeared"

"I think he said he was going to the next village over"

"Huh okay, I guess we'll never see him again"

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and if anyone questions it

"I don't believe you, did he leave a note?"

"None of us know how to read or write"

"Ah fair point"

storm jungle
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Yeah like old-time people literally made up the dumbest shit for really explainable stuff.

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"I sweated in my sleep I guess a fucking she-demon came in the night and tried to have sex with me"

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💀

thorn zenith
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sprinkle dumbfuckery with superstition and you get em

green loom
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Bored people embellish things

storm jungle
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^

queen laurel
green loom
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Peasants were probably pretty fucking bored

storm jungle
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or just a society thats very religious, easy to get scared and never wants to admit mistakes lol

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"Guys we arent corrupt or want your money as the church, its those people in the desert that are the bad guys :)"

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"Yeah makes sense"

thorn zenith
queen laurel
green loom
thorn zenith
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and since adultery seems to be a sin and there was no hard drugs, they be bored as hell

thorn zenith
dusk patrol
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A lot of it tbh was a way to prevent huge wars in Europe itself too

storm jungle
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I mean

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that doesnt really mean much

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europe still had a shit ton of wars

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lmao

rocky gale
green loom
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Hey I think I hear protestants over that hill

dusk patrol
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Everywhere did at those times, but a lot of the crusades came on the heels of huge devastating wars

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Or when tensions were high

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Like I said how much it worked it’s hard to say since we don’t know if it would have been but that was one of the ideas behind it. Have a common enemy and an outlet for some of the more warmongering leaders of the time.

wraith quartz
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Alrighty, I know there's a cantankerous clanker on this server, I got some questions about you metal heads. (Note: I'm not asking for a specific person on this server, I just have questions about the machine cult)

dusk patrol
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What?

thorn zenith
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The cult of the machine

arctic talon
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if they're kept on

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smh

green loom
dusk patrol
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Then just say that

storm jungle
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Let people be jolly

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you ironfisted fuck

thorn zenith
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Ironfist yourself

storm jungle
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AA-

dusk patrol
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You say jolly I say dumb and confusing

wraith quartz
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Ok, so you guys are completely made of metal?

shell mason
arctic talon
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admech are not made completely out of metal

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they have fleshy bits still

green loom
arctic talon
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ranging from most of their body

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to just the brain

storm jungle
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otherwise they are a robot and thats heresy

arctic talon
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Martian styled Skitarii for example only get amputated from the knee down and get brain implants as a baseline

shell mason
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The mechanicus ranks are done by who is the most borged out right?

arctic talon
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additional augments are usually shoved in

storm jungle
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being borged out just means you got more drip

arctic talon
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There's some archmagos's who are

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quite unaugmented

queen laurel
wraith quartz
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Hmm, mmh

dusk patrol
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The Ad Mech is far from a monolith basically

arctic talon
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There's a group of tech priests who love war

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lol

storm jungle
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he literally only has his brain left

arctic talon
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and augment themselves

queen laurel
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Sheesh

storm jungle
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Smasher is very much peak idea of an admech, just make him more priestly and you are there

green loom
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Like isn't Cawl wearing synth flesh over some of his metal parts just to seem slightly less offputting

wraith quartz
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So the machine cult, in basic terms, are priest mechanics?

shell mason
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Smasher in 40k would be terrifying

arctic talon
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His hand is synthetic flesh

dusk patrol
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“Holy”

storm jungle
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Lmao

arctic talon
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Archeologists

shell mason
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cuz its only his brain thats human

arctic talon
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Might as well have fun while doing it

thorn zenith
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Smasher is based and you are basically a cut of fuckable Meat

storm jungle
dusk patrol
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Much more FUCK YOU DIE MY KNEE IS A LASCANNON

arctic talon
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some myrmidons go beyond smasher's level of

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sociopathy lol

arctic talon
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to the point where they just randomly kill allies with "collateral" damage

thorn zenith
arctic talon
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the admech are generally a bunch of psychos anyways lol

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you don't get far in the cult mechanicus without being

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mentally derranged

wraith quartz
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Hmm, ok but why would the Imperium ally with them if they, you know, worship another god??

arctic talon
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there was no other option as well

thorn zenith
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Admech in a nutshell

dusk patrol
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Smashers not a psychopath anyways

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he’s a high functioning psychopath

arctic talon
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the Emperor couldn't build the ships

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he needed for the crusade

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and fighting the admech would be MAD

storm jungle
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basically ask yourself why half our modern infastructure is made through awful corporations

wraith quartz
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Hmm

shell mason
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......cuz thats easy money

arctic talon
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the admech also are competent at like the basics

arctic talon
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they don't just pray at a door till it works

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they actually know how to fix it

storm jungle
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well

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depends

arctic talon
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its just obfuscated in like

storm jungle
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but yes

arctic talon
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well

queen laurel
arctic talon
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a normal ass door ig

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they built

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and maintained

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its just very ritualistc

storm jungle
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brother forgot to Press E

queen laurel
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Without them it will go under faster than bullet fired from a gun

arctic talon
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like they'll pull out incense and pray while doing it

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but they're still fixing crap

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and then there's stuff they cant fix

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like the golden throne

wraith quartz
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If they worship a "Machine God", why can't they become completely machine?

shell mason
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I mean they believe machines have spirits and then they literally made them have spirits

arctic talon
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an abominable intelligance

storm jungle
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because artificial intelligence is bad

arctic talon
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the big taboo is completely replacing your brain with a machine

dusk patrol
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Also not all of them have the same ideas for augmenting themselves

wraith quartz
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Hmmm

arctic talon
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yeah that also

dusk patrol
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A lot don’t do much or biologically augment themselves

arctic talon
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some stack more meat on themselves others just don't augment themselves much at all

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or keep "lowkey" augments

dusk patrol
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We just tend to see the cyborg ones cause it’s the brand™️

queen laurel
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Biologis don't get explored a lot

arctic talon
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Biologis are also cyborgs often

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tbf

dusk patrol
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Yeah it just varies

arctic talon
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^

wraith quartz
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Hmm, what is there to know about this "Machine God"?

dusk patrol
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Also some are very augmented but appear to be human

arctic talon
dusk patrol
queen laurel
dusk patrol
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Aka, the Christian Holy Trinity

thorn zenith
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I wanna see an admech guy thats literally just walking steroids

dusk patrol
arctic talon
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Arkhan Land

thorn zenith
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Tank from L4D with red robe on

arctic talon
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lul

dusk patrol
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Often are handsome or pretty or whatever too

shell mason
dusk patrol
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Especially the Ad Mech diplomats tend to look like that

storm jungle
# wraith quartz If they worship a "*Machine God*", why can't they become completely machine?

Basically back in an era before the Imperium existed and humans were spread across space with super-tech doign whatever they wanted, for reasons we do not know, the robots who served humans rebelled en-masse, we won the war eventually but it was devastating and AI was abhored or generally "banned" by everyone.

Mars was one of these planets where total global catastrophe destroyed the planet and it became like current Mars but even more unlivable, this gave birth to the rise of "machine priests" who became the Mechanicum, cue the meeting with the Emperor thousands of years later and being biased enough to allow them to exist since he was aware they'd supply him with a shit ton of products as long as they became a vassal empire to the Imperium.

Cue the Horus Heresy and other shit and ever since then the Admech has become an integral part to the Imperium, without them basically every mechanical thing probably fails as they almost oversee everything and are in every strata of the Imperium to a degree.

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the Omnissiah is basically the "messiah" whos the Emperor as hes seen as the avatar of the Machine God by the Mechanicus

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motive force also exists but nobody cares

shell mason
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Took over the tech priest and its servitors and called everyone bitches

dusk patrol
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It’s the holy trinity from Christianity basically but in the Machine Cult framing

storm jungle
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^

wraith quartz
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Hmmm

storm jungle
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people forget the Omnissiah is not the Machine God, its the Emperor

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i think the authors do as well

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lol

shell mason
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I mean

dusk patrol
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Cawl is the Embodiment of the Motive Force or something iirc

shell mason
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The techpriests said so

dusk patrol
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Some title like that

storm jungle
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yeah Cawl is famous enough to have his own political belief/followers

arctic talon
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Cawl is the prime conduit of the motive force

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Lol

dusk patrol
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Yeah that

arctic talon
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That’s what he’s called

wraith quartz
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But they aren't just a bunch of priests and scholars. They can fight right?

storm jungle
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Yes

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mostly

queen laurel
arctic talon
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He calls himself the prime conduit of the omnissiah(a huge no no)

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And pretty much only he calls himself that

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Lol

thorn zenith
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So famous he does heresy and gets away with it, such is the way of the imperium

shell mason
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The Emperor just let it slide to not have a war with mars and lose out on a major potential allie

dusk patrol
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Tech heresy is subjective

arctic talon
storm jungle
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theres basically two kinds of techpriests

  • The nerd who literally could get gang-beat if he/she gets caught in the open
  • The techpriest who literally is packing some atomic-raygun under his robes or any sci-fi insta-death gun
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lol

arctic talon
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Also the “staff” of office for the mechanicus

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Is a giant power axe

shell mason
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Which later became the adeptus mechanicus

arctic talon
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A tech priest is always somewhat competent with said axe

dusk patrol
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There’s a passage in the Word Bearers trilogy of a particularly effective Arch Magos literally tearing apart an entire squad of long war veteran Word Bearer terminators in close quarters by himself

storm jungle
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im mechanicumi-

dusk patrol
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And then he just goes back to what he was doing

arctic talon
storm jungle
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Its either a mini-terminator priest

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or just

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"NO PLEASE, I DONT HAVE ANY LUNCH MONEY-"

dusk patrol
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Cawl also is extremely dangerous

queen laurel
arctic talon
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Cawl is horrifying lol

queen laurel
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Does it do anything else besides cutting stuff

storm jungle
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Cawl literally says hes almost as long/big and dangerous as a leman russ tnak

wraith quartz
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So Minifigures wise they have their own faction?

storm jungle
dusk patrol
arctic talon
dusk patrol
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You’ll be shocked to learn, those weapons arent for show

shell mason
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I'm positive the tech priest is getting at some point in darktide

storm jungle
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i would not be surprised

arctic talon
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It’s like a passport/axe/hacking device

dusk patrol
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I expect we’ll get some Ad Mech thing

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It’s the most obvious thing

storm jungle
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it would make an absolute shit load of money

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also like

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this game makes money only through the MTX store and sales

arctic talon
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Cawl also crawls like a centipede

queen laurel
dusk patrol
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And it gives them a way to release some more exotic weapons

arctic talon
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It’s kind of

storm jungle
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they 100% need DLC

arctic talon
#

Horrifying lol

#

The way he like

#

Climbs around stuff

dusk patrol
#

A grav or radium gun in Darktide would be fun

shell mason
storm jungle
#

Uhhh it stricky

#

because look at games like PD2

dusk patrol
#

Because they don’t wanna split maps

storm jungle
#

People can just as much hate DLCs if theres a lot of them

#

the issue is the playerbase also does not appreciate getting any content for free

#

lol

#

since its always "fatshark bad"

queen laurel
thorn zenith
storm jungle
#

he actually almost does

#

to a fem-cryptek

#

she hits him somewhere bad and half his body becomes disabled

#

LOL

arctic talon
#

He’s a dumb ass for keeping her around

#

Lol

storm jungle
#

bro Cawl legit went-

wraith quartz
#

Ok, but in regards to what happened in the heresy...

What happened to the priests that stray from the Omnissiah?

arctic talon
#

Stop playing chess with a fucking cryptek who wants to murder you

dusk patrol
#

He does manage to fuck her up without any of his gear though tbf

arctic talon
#

Yeah

storm jungle
#

he gets lucky

storm jungle
#

like extremely lucky

dusk patrol
#

Cawl don’t play

queen laurel
#

They are called

thorn zenith
arctic talon
#

Yeah Cawl put himself in a shit situation

dusk patrol
#

So it cancels out

storm jungle
#

😩

#

Also get it

#

its like heretic

#

but technology

#

so "tek"

arctic talon
#

Death is like

#

The easy way out

dusk patrol
#

I hated the whole last act it was so contrived

storm jungle
#

same

arctic talon
#

It’s pretty bad

dusk patrol
#

Just let me see full bore Cawl going on

storm jungle
#

the entire book is literally a setup for the next novel

arctic talon
#

Heretek’s usually get an incredibly painful death

#

At best

dusk patrol
#

Also I refuse to believe Primus is that dumb

arctic talon
#

Lol

arctic talon
storm jungle
dusk patrol
#

Literally no backup, doesn’t use any of his powers

#

Until the last second

wraith quartz
#

So they like, work with the chaos faction and such?

arctic talon
dusk patrol
#

Bile is a dumbass too

arctic talon
#

Refuses help

dusk patrol
#

He almost died

arctic talon
#

They work with other chaos factions

dusk patrol
#

Because he didn’t plan for a fucking extremely powerful marine psyker he knew was a a psyker

thorn zenith
#

They gotta nerf primus to hand Bile a win and not ending his ass right there

queen laurel
arctic talon
#

Being a heretek usually ends with you falling to chaos or dying horrifically

dusk patrol
#

Just have bile use some sorta blank or psykout shit jfc

#

Anyways

green loom
#

TBF to bile does death really matter to him

wraith quartz
#

Hmmm

arctic talon
#

Give bile a psyk out grenade

arctic talon
#

Imo

#

He’s really smart for the entire book

#

Up until that point

#

Lol

green loom
#

Oh so like fall of cadia abaddon

dusk patrol
arctic talon
#

The ending of the book is kind of ass

storm jungle
# wraith quartz So they like, work with the chaos faction and such?

You can be branded a heretek for basically not believing in the Omnissiah/Emperor or any other thing that goes against the mechanicus creed.

Hereteks can sometimes be literally people that just want to improve some toxic-vapor factorum's condition by inventing some air-filter but you fucked up by thinking these workers' lives mean anything and you are obviously a horrible degenerate.

BUT for marketing purposes every heretek is always chaos alligned.

arctic talon
#

Either that or someone who gets off to xenos tech

#

Lol

dusk patrol
#

It’s political basically

storm jungle
#

I did like cawl begging Bile to not kill Primus and Bile respects him enough to not do it.

arctic talon
#

^

dusk patrol
#

Cawl gets away with stuff because he has the power

arctic talon
#

What’s defined as a heretek is often political

dusk patrol
#

Others can’t

green loom
#

I was reading Kais' summary and it goes from him micromanaging and being le cold and calculating to not being able to rip Sven apart and getting angry at kindergarten insults

dusk patrol
#

Same with how first founding chapters almost all break a ton of rules

arctic talon
#

If you have big enough political, economic or military power

#

You’re much more untouchable

#

If you’re some enginseer who thinks workers dying is cringe

wraith quartz
#

So mechanical engineering wise, if have ai is bad, then how do they work around that?

arctic talon
#

You might be getting skinned alive

storm jungle
#

...do you know what servitors are

arctic talon
wraith quartz
#

Relatively

thorn zenith
#

The whole imperium is a political power struggle from top to bottom

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

Also machine spirits are somewhat of a work around

storm jungle
#

and like

dusk patrol
#

It’s complicated basically

arctic talon
#

Some basic computing stuff is allowed

#

Like flip flops

#

Or basic logic gates

storm jungle
#

anything "automated" is fine as long as it has the intelligence of like, a fucking roomba lol

dusk patrol
#

Cogitators are very complex

arctic talon
#

But a lot of other stuff is like

#

Mmmm brain

dusk patrol
#

To be clear too what they consider AI is like

#

Actually intelligent stuff

arctic talon
#

Not chat gpt

dusk patrol
#

Self thinking

queen laurel
#

Yeah then there are stuff like Nomos from Rogue trader

storm jungle
#

Yeah its a machine that can think for itself and is "alive"

queen laurel
#

Super advanced

storm jungle
arctic talon
#

Chat gpt is not an AI

queen laurel
#

Basically ai already

dusk patrol
#

Even Tau stuff isn’t on the level of what they’re thinking of with AI typically

arctic talon
#

Nomos is weird

storm jungle
#

he can control machine spirits but is like, you know, a c'tan shard lol

dusk patrol
#

It’s just an attempt

arctic talon
thorn zenith
#

Lmao Nomos is straight up in his own class

wraith quartz
#

So they believe every piece of machinery has a "soul"?

crystal forum
#

more like ctan fart

storm jungle
queen laurel
arctic talon
dusk patrol
#

Sh’tan

storm jungle
#

Sakaan deez nu-

wraith quartz
#

Mmm

arctic talon
#

Machine spirits are a real tangible thing that aren’t really souls

thorn zenith
arctic talon
#

The more complex a machine the stronger it’s machine spirit

dusk patrol
arctic talon
#

A lasgun doesn’t have anything going on

#

A battleship though

queen laurel
arctic talon
#

Better offer it some scented oils

#

Or else the guns might get angry

queen laurel
#

Becoming the new emperor

crystal forum
#

im pretty sure a battleship has multiple machine spirits even

arctic talon
#

Yeah

storm jungle
#

its so good

arctic talon
#

Stuff like titans have like

crystal forum
#

imperator titans i think only have 1

arctic talon
#

Literal personalities

thorn zenith
dusk patrol
#

The only compassion he needs is for me myself and I

arctic talon
#

Machine spirits can get ptsd lol

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

The peasants aren’t real people

crystal forum
queen laurel
#

This just keeps on getting better and better

thorn zenith
#

But grimderp is grimderp and everything has to still be shit to keep to 40k brand

storm jungle
#

Knights got multiple

#

and worst

arctic talon
storm jungle
#

they are the spirit imprints of your ancestors

crystal forum
#

knights keep part of the pilot identities right

arctic talon
#

Your racist grandpa

storm jungle
#

so you will legit get harrassed by yoru granny

arctic talon
storm jungle
arctic talon
#

He’s stuck in your ear all the time

storm jungle
#

Also if they dont like you, they'll fry your brain

dusk patrol
#

They’ll ask you way you haven’t had kids yet while you’re in the middle of a major duel

crystal forum
#

hey sunny, kill that blue fuck over there for pep pep

storm jungle
#

Yeah they are super fucking funny/scary at the same time

arctic talon
#

Back in my day there were only 2 sides to a conflict the right and the wrong one

storm jungle
#

literally just "I dont remember you, are you even my son"

queen laurel
thorn zenith
#

Straight up Evangelion shit

storm jungle
#

LITERALLY

#

tho thats more for eldar titans

#

who are literally evas

arctic talon
#

Also free blades getting yelled at for being failures

storm jungle
#

and need a dead twin to work

arctic talon
#

Lmao

storm jungle
#

like straight up stolen lol

crystal forum
#

eldar titans have just generic old people souls right

storm jungle
#

Nah

crystal forum
#

like it's not an ancestor

storm jungle
#

soul of your dead twin

crystal forum
#

oh

arctic talon
#

it’s your dead twin

storm jungle
#

HAVE FUN

arctic talon
#

It has to be your dead twin lol

queen laurel
#

Which is even better

dusk patrol
#

Pretty hot

arctic talon
#

And you have to have been friends lol

storm jungle
crystal forum
#

do they find dead twins or... create them

storm jungle
storm jungle
arctic talon
#

The soul needs to be willing

thorn zenith
#

Eternal reward never beating the allegiations

crystal forum
#

is there really that many dead elf twins

storm jungle
#

yes

#

because plot

arctic talon
#

There’s still like

#

Trillions of craftworld eldar

dusk patrol
#

”Let’s go bang in your dead twins cockpit”

arctic talon
#

Lol

storm jungle
#

ETERNAL STOP

#

WHATS GOTTEN INTO YOU

dusk patrol
#

Hey some weird Japanese dude thought of it first

queen laurel
thorn zenith
storm jungle
#

My homie is out of his iron POCKET

storm jungle
crystal forum
#

they don't call him ol ironjaw for nothing

thorn zenith
#

I wonder if the rogue traders ending will be less grimderp if you go full iconoclast

storm jungle
#

the key is being nice to Nomos i think

#

and teaching him compassion

#

otherwise not sure

thorn zenith
#

That i got down, im talking about things like footfall, mine had its people well fed but they turned to crime

queen laurel
#

I will make a new empire just to f*** him over

thorn zenith
#

So i thought maybe if i maxed out kasballica it might be better but i never got around to it

dusk patrol
crisp heath
#

The only place for Heinrix is the airlock, there will be no spies claiming "authority" over me on my own flagship

dusk patrol
#

Ok ok I’m done

storm jungle
#

LMAO

#

also Doom of Mymeara my beloved

thorn zenith
tough haven
wraith quartz
#

So the Adeptus Mechanicus, are a extremely zealot engineers, who worship a "Machine God" and believe it's spirit embodies every piece of machinery. However, given that they're so Analogical hardwired, any form of improvement or advancement beyond the traditional teaching is considered heresy.

dusk patrol
#

I do always find the whole idea of the Eldar titans wandering the Webway so funny

#

Cause it’s so fucking big

storm jungle
tough haven
wraith quartz
#

Hmm

#

Ok

queen laurel
#

The plot armor needs to be insane

thorn zenith
crystal forum
storm jungle
#

poophound*

tough haven
#

Or you fuck up eventually and 1 of your two gods get out and hates you

dusk patrol
#

“Make sure no daemons are coming in” he said

queen laurel
storm jungle
#

the Emperor and the Custodians learned that the hard way

#

"Depend the webway portal"

#

"SIRE THEY ARE IN THE WALLS"

thorn zenith
crisp heath
#

Since c'tan are canonically energy kept under immense pressure in necrodermis you should be able to poke a hole in one and turn them into an aerosol, meaning you can absolutely use a God as a can of mace or even silly string if you're madlad enough

queen laurel
#

Is building webways lost to elder now

#

Or can they still make them

crystal forum
#

lost

wraith quartz
#

Also I have one more thing about the machine cult...

crystal forum
#

if they could even maintain the webway they wouldn't be so stupid

storm jungle
thorn zenith
#

I also wonder if it would be possible to fix the emperor webway

crystal forum
#

what

crystal forum
storm jungle
#

no we cant

storm jungle
#

YOU CAN LITERALLY SING WEBWAY GATES INTO EXISTENCE

wraith quartz
queen laurel
crystal forum
#

im looking it up on the wiki, the most reliable source

storm jungle
#

You bastard

storm jungle
#

hand it over

wraith quartz
#

Hold on

crisp heath
#

What is the economic impact of harlequin activity

celest dome
#

Minimal

wraith quartz
#

Don't blame me for not warning ya

crystal forum
#

how does the ork invasion affect the economy

wraith quartz
crisp heath
#

Does the presence of harlequins introduce currency from outside the community into said community

queen laurel
celest dome
crystal forum
#

we might be losing men by the hundreds but our stocks in grox shit are going up

dusk patrol
#

No one really likes Harlequins showing up

celest dome
dusk patrol
#

Generally they’re not there for fun reasons

crystal forum
#

they look good doing whatever they do though

dusk patrol
#

And especially with solitaires they actively make Eldar uncomfortable

crystal forum
#

and style is all that matters in combat

crisp heath
#

Harlequins can 100% be there for fun reasons, they just won't tell you what's funny about it

storm jungle
#

You joke but thats true

dusk patrol
#

Old lore was Solitaires were basically blanks somehow but I don’t think they really have them be that much anymore

storm jungle
#

the lore says they sometimes give performance to Imperial nobles and shit lol

crisp heath
#

"Uncomfortable" is such an understatement

storm jungle
#

which is like, fine i guess

crisp heath
#

Eldar delete themselves sometimes if a solitaire speaks to them

storm jungle
#

No thats me @ anyone talking to me IRL

dusk patrol
#

Not quite that but they definitely hate them being around

#

Nothing good comes from a Solitaire being around you generally

queen laurel
crystal forum
#

it's about the message

thorn zenith
#

Its about the massage

dusk patrol
#

Hell other Harlequins don’t even like Solitaires being around them

crystal forum
#

💆‍♂️

dusk patrol
#

They’re not called Solitaires cause they hang out with people a lot

storm jungle
crystal forum
storm jungle
thorn zenith
#

Solitaires are THIS close to being edgy teen oc's wet dream

queen laurel
#

I will sing you despacito just to shove a eldar bone inside your ass

dusk patrol
crisp heath
#

I'll use a wiki quote because I'm not hunting down the actual blurb

#

Knowledge of his soul's forfeit means a Solitaire will ensure the cost to his foes is dear indeed before he meets his end. Despite the dark fate that awaits them, it is said that Solitaires are touched by the Laughing God -- that they have his insight into the Fall, and even the nature of the universe. Many Aeldari believe that to speak to a Solitaire is to invite a grisly demise, and that should an individual accidentally address or touch one of these lonely beings, they would be better to take their own lives there and then.

crystal forum
#

jokes on you im into that

crisp heath
#

Thats all the effort you're getting from me today

storm jungle
#

wiki

#

death

queen laurel
#

Also some andrew tate podcast on the side

#

And xqc

crystal forum
#

PLEASE GOD NO

thorn zenith
#

Noooo not the Tate podcast

crisp heath
#

Anyway we need cegocoin lore now

thorn zenith
#

Clowncurrency

#

Clownuccy

crisp heath
#

Orks are definitely on the blockchain

queen laurel
crisp heath
#

It shouldn't work, and by all means doesn't, but keep functioning well enough that they never realize it doesn't work

queen laurel
#

I don't know they just get lucky with the market i supposed

crisp heath
#

NFTs and crypto function on actual ork logic irl

queen laurel
#

Yes but an ork would definitely screenshot an nft

near wasp
#

Oh were talking about nfts cool

dusk patrol
#

Can we not somehow segue into a NFT and crypto circlejerk

dusk patrol
arctic talon
#

So

#

Harlequins

#

Amiright

queen laurel
#

Yeah they're fun

crisp heath
#

Did the fact that harlequins are responsible for pretty much everything that happened during the 13th black crusade, cadia, all that get retconned because I never see anyone mention the clown in the room

near wasp
crisp heath
#

I think I may have asked that before actually

dusk patrol
#

No one cares

arctic talon
#

The old 13th black crusade got retconned

#

A while ago

#

Because Eldrad is no longer dead

near wasp
#

I need to read the fall of cadia and such

crisp heath
#

So no clowns? throws phone, breaks skateboard

dusk patrol
#

They were involved

#

It’s just everyone was

arctic talon
#

Yeah they were involved still

near wasp
storm jungle
#

Veilwalker got that dawg in her

dusk patrol
#

Be easier to find a faction which wasn’t involved tbh

#

Idk if there was any really

queen laurel
#

orks?

storm jungle
#

She set a lot of things in motion

#

its not realy about involvement

dusk patrol
crisp heath
#

Pretty much everything in motion

dusk patrol
#

It was kinda a galactic thing

crisp heath
#

The whole thing was "her job"

storm jungle
#

yeah this is forgotten by a lot of people ironically lol

arctic talon
#

She’s weird

plush mason
storm jungle
#

behind every great primarch

#

is a clown

#

something-something

arctic talon
#

She told Cawl to go to Cadia

#

Lmao

near wasp
#

honk

crisp heath
#

She just straight up tells Vect "yeah I did everything, please stop acting like i didn't do anything"

dusk patrol
#

Cawl apparently had nothing better to do

#

Smh

crisp heath
#

Also doesn't she push magnus into a wormhole or something

arctic talon
#

Idk

dusk patrol
#

Probably

arctic talon
#

She killed a few hundred thousand tau by telling them to go somewhere

dusk patrol
#

There’s a lot of wild stuff which happened that time which people forget

arctic talon
#

And then redirected a hive fleet at them lol

dusk patrol
#

The whole Terran Crusade has so much wacky stuff happen in such a short timeframe

storm jungle
#

to be fair

#

literally nobody remembers or cares about the Terran Crusade

dusk patrol
#

And you get wacky images like this

queen laurel
crisp heath
#

I remember that magnus got pushed into a wormhole or something

dusk patrol
storm jungle
#

but yes

dusk patrol
near wasp
#

I liked the second battle of terra like 4 books ive read have scenes taking place during the aussalt of the lions gate

storm jungle
#

also my favorite thing is if trazyn didnt go to act like a hero cadia would have exploded like 1h into the war

arctic talon
#

I wish the Terran crusade had stuff beyond gathering storm

storm jungle
#

lol

arctic talon
#

Because shoving a bunch of eldar in a room with black Templars

#

Is funny as shit

dusk patrol
#

It’s a pretty fun little wacky adventure

arctic talon
#

It is

storm jungle
#

klu klux templars teaming up with long queer people

#

name a more iconic duo

arctic talon
#

💀

storm jungle
#

💀

dusk patrol
#

If I had a nickel for every time an Emperors Champion sacrificed himself to save some Eldar to save the galaxy I’d have two nickels, which ain’t a lot but it’s weird that it happened twice

winged jacinth
dusk patrol
#

Forges of Mars is a fucking wild finale

crisp heath
#

I like how Cawl sees a xenos and goes from "You are an abomination, hate given horrible form!" To "so like you free to hang out? I got Mario kart, an old play station too, like, I'm not busy" in the space of an hour every time

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

Tbh the writing for that bit is kinda weird with how Cawl acts in most books

#

He’s pretty chill with trying to chat with Necrons

arctic talon
#

Yeah

dusk patrol
#

Doesn’t work out much but

plush mason
winged jacinth
arctic talon
#

Cawl’s characterization is weird in that book

#

For crons

dusk patrol
#

He’s definitely weird but he’s not like

#

He looks much weirder than he is as a person in conversations

#

He’s more just annoying

storm jungle
#

yeah like the marketing team does an awful job showcasing how Cawl actually is, he has fucked up tendencies but hes a really cool person

arctic talon
#

Qvo-88

storm jungle
#

NOOOO

#

💀

arctic talon
#

Qvo-89

crisp heath
#

Cawl has assimilated 1,000 minds and somehow they were all autistic

arctic talon
#

Qvo-90

arctic talon
#

LMAO

storm jungle
#

God

#

that poor cryptek

#

lmao

arctic talon
#

qvo is so funny and depressing

shell mason
#

what

arctic talon
#

The cryptek is cool as well

dusk patrol
#

The worst part is he does get to die

arctic talon
#

She hates Cawl if you were wondering

dusk patrol
#

Hey it’s her own fault

#

She used to have her body

arctic talon
#

And he plays chess with her

#

With scarabs

dusk patrol
#

Then she fucked around

storm jungle
#

How dare she try to escape his incel-dungeon

arctic talon
#

Lol

storm jungle
plush mason
#

lol

storm jungle
#

women

arctic talon
#

Incel dungeon is understating it

storm jungle
#

lmfao

queen laurel
arctic talon
dusk patrol
#

He just wants to chat smh

arctic talon
#

He got lucky capturing her

#

During the uh

dusk patrol
#

Unfortunately she thinks he’s a lower life form, which tbh just makes it hotter

crisp heath
#

Powerful imperials not having an unwilling xenos confidant challenge

dusk patrol
#

Anyways now she’s a head

plush mason
#

like, is Cawl just ignorant to the fact he is the size of a small tank or something? how can he even think he is remotely human by this point

arctic talon
#

It’s just uh

#

Seperate now

#

💀

crisp heath
shell mason
#

Crypteks are somewhat in the totem pole for necron

dusk patrol
#

She gets full body privileges returned when she learns to behave

arctic talon
#

He just doesn’t care

dusk patrol
#

He’s very capable of chatting with normal people

arctic talon
#

But Cawl is absolutely a xeno tech obsessed freak

#

After Cadia

plush mason
arctic talon
#

His collection of necron crap has grown Exponentially

shell mason
#

I remember when Cawl laughed in Biles face

crisp heath
shell mason
#

then just laid in him

arctic talon
#

Also cawl’s head skitarii marshal certainly has a choice of body

dusk patrol
#

Hey

arctic talon
#

Alpha primus thinks she’s a vain idiot

#

Lol

plush mason
#

huh?

arctic talon
#

Her body is an exact replica of her flesh one but in metal

#

Thanks guy haley

arctic talon
#

But the real fan service was watching 6 kastellan robots drive back a chaos invasion