why russ
#40k-lore-chat
gray umbra
crisp heath
Who else would it be
paper haven
"Horus you're in charge, I gotta go."
"Why am I in charge? I'm not that good. Oh I know, I'll use peaceful negoteation to bring planets into compliance."
"Hey I'm Erebus and this is Jackass."
"LET THE SEAS BOIL"
There's a bit more to it but if GW isn't gonna put any real effort into it then why should I?
gray umbra
the anathame
crisp heath
Weird question, do we ever find out what exactly became of the ring the Emperor gave Horus because I find that ring to be one of the most fascinating tiny details
paper haven
Vanishes completely
storm jungle
yeah the End and the Death is focused on way other shit
it turns full extreme-anime
paper haven
Which one was that again?
crisp heath
Sadge
gray umbra
holy shit how are there 54 horus heresy novels
crisp heath
Could've really milked that for a touching moment
storm jungle
Which one was that again?
the 3 ending novels
Vol1, Vol2, and Vol3
fuck me those were dreadful reads
i was losing my mind
paper haven
Oh. I don't think I've read those yet
storm jungle
Yeah uh good luck if you do lol
gray umbra
i have 39 books to catch up on 🙂
paper haven
Before the Siege of Terra series?
paper haven
i stopped at prospero burns
Skip anything about the ultramarines and word bearers.
Anything about the White scars is fantastic and Betrayer is probably my favorite 40k book.
dusk patrol
That is terrible advice
storm jungle
Its mostly-correct
dusk patrol
Literally skipping some of the best books
storm jungle
minus the Calth/Know No Fear
dusk patrol
It’s the main ones
dusk patrol
I mean he’s literally saying skip anything with Word Bearers and Ultramarines
Then recommends Betrayer
Which is a direct sequel to a Word Bearer book
The word bearer centric books are some of the more important books to read
gray umbra
i remember battle for the abyss being pretty good
paper haven
Literally skipping some of the best books
I'm memeing a bit
storm jungle
i remember battle for the abyss being pretty good
Im gonna blow you up
paper haven
Calth is pretty good
storm jungle
more like Battle for the Abyss This Book Left in My Wallet
paper haven
Samus makes another appearance.
You remember Samus?
storm jungle
Unfortunately
gray umbra
lol
paper haven
id rather remember the Metroid one
Clearly the superior Samus
paper haven
he shows up in End and the Death too
Oh god why
dusk patrol
He is the End and the Death
storm jungle
lol
storm jungle
He is the End and the Death
SHUT UPSHUT UPSHUT UPSHUT UP
paper haven
Loken instantly kills him
AGAIN?
storm jungle
YEAH
ITS SUCH A DUMB MOMENT but like, its whatever its fine
he does the cheesy ass rhyme too
paper haven
Samus is 0 for 2 against Loken.
paper haven
Literally the first time beat for beat
Samus shows up, rhymes a bit and Loken tells him to fuck off and kills him
Actually I'm wrong nevermind
Loken kills one of his marines possessed by samus
dusk patrol
Yes
storm jungle
Same thing tbh
paper haven
Still though
storm jungle
stupid ass demon
paper haven
He shows up at the most random times and accomplishes nothing
storm jungle
do you care about spoilers for the End and the Death with the Samus bit
paper haven
Not in the least I already know it's gonna be painful
storm jungle
Basically the opening of Book 1 i think has an opening cheesy villain narration by Samus that you kinda read like hes talking to you
and you are like "well that was random," but keep reading
much later in Book 2
hes fighting Loken, and meanwhile in the Palace some side character human folks find an ancient text
and they read the opening from Book 1 word by word
and it cuts to Samus repeating those phrases
and Loken completes the wording to defeat him
lmao
paper haven
Who fucking wrote- Wass it Graham McNeil?
paper haven
Dan!?
paper haven
Why? How?
storm jungle
Basically what i said
also hes like
an EXTREMELY long-time veteran writer
he has worked in non-40k stuff like Marvel comics too
paper haven
I know, Eisenhorn was my first 40k book
arctic talon
But is he the end and the death
storm jungle
^ also this
gets repeated a lot
"It was the end and the death"
"This was the end and the death for us"
paper haven
Yeah yeah yeah yeah I get it.
dusk patrol
The main thing with the book is it could have been condensed a lot
There’s a lot of unnecessary parts
paper haven
Samus said that in the first book call backs are not clever if you repeat them a dozen timess
dusk patrol
The first is great but it’s way too long to not address more people and plots
But I do enjoy the actually meaty parts
paper haven
you do know why that is right
GW wanted 3 books
storm jungle
but the parts that drag, drag
paper haven
?
storm jungle
Uh no basically
paper haven
Oh.
storm jungle
Abnett wrote almost 3 novel-long shit, and GW cant say no to this since you know, extra money.
its also tied to uh
he addresses it in the Afterword of Book 3;
storm jungle
^
but basically to quote him
"Chief Editor Nick Kyme told me i should not worry about wordcount and write as much as I want"
which is
the WORST thing you can say to an author
professional or not
it explains so much of the bloat
dusk patrol
It is well written filler but it’s still a lot of unnecessary parts which could have been spent on more meaty stuff
dusk patrol
Overall I enjoyed it but yeah it’s longer than it needed to be
storm jungle
so it is abrupt and weird in a lot of scenes
dusk patrol
I think two books would have been fine
storm jungle
same, after the 3rd it was taking the piss
it literally takes Sanguinius an entire book
to get to Horus
lmao
he gets his ass kicked and it was funny tho so w/e
Lupercal gang for life 🙏
gray umbra
dusk patrol
I didn’t love the fight scenes beyond some key ones which was annoying for me since Abnett normally does those well
Definitely felt like he was rushing those a lot
paper haven
Oh, his editor just didn't do his fucking job.
rocky gale
dusk patrol
He probably did they were just ok with way too long a book
Cause it’s the grand finale
It’s not badly done it’s just too long
crisp heath
Dan Abnett is a fanfic author whose headcanons are official you do not tell him to write as much as he wants
storm jungle
Oh, his editor just didn't do his fucking job.
his editor was Nick Kyme too
aka he didnt do his job
storm jungle
Dan Abnett is a fanfic author whose headcanons are official you do *not* tell hi...
Honestly true
i do like how apocalyptic he made the Siege admittedly
but like holy shit SO DRAWN OUT
storm jungle
wdym
dont you like reading about how daemons are at the wall
10 times
every chapter
dusk patrol
Mfw we’re at the tenth scene of someone opening a door to a different place than when they last opened it
paper haven
Hey. Look outside.
See the daemons?
Pretty wild, right?
storm jungle
Mfw we’re at the tenth scene of someone opening a door to a different place than...
No joke that happened so much i actually thought i was re-reading chapters
dusk patrol
The wildest thing was I was thinking “wait how the fuck are they gonna have enough marines to form chapters after this?!”
storm jungle
LEGIT
Meanwhile traitors:
"They can respawn now."
Horus literally opened the dev console
💀
dusk patrol
Mfw I’m a Custodes guarding the palace and chaos marines start spawning in front of me
storm jungle
yeah like at those parts i was legit checked out
"the enemies have breached the final fortress..."
YEAH WE KNOW
JESUS DUDE
storm jungle
Yeah thats him in the entire Siege lol
he disappears after he gets his ass kicked so i guess thats fine
the best change they made i think was making Perturabo just leave and quit.
most realistic decision
gray umbra
Quick, Fulgrim, do something stupid
gets sucked into a poop painting
paper haven
That did happen, didn't it?
dusk patrol
He got better
crisp heath
Is Dan the funny ultra marine guy?
dusk patrol
Primarchs are bullshit
crisp heath
Only good primarch is the khan
“Fuck elves, fuck taxes, got me horse and me motor bike”
dusk patrol
He was the same as the rest
He just wanted to play Ghengis Khan in space without any responsibilities
crisp heath
He just like me fr fr
viral halo
Unironically loved Ferrus Mannus from what we got from him
The Iron Hands are some of the highlights of "fulgrim" for me
spare osprey
pretty sure anyone who's seen me say one sentence knows how i feel about a certain first primarch
lunar harness
idk if I would call cadians racist considering that they aren't like... a race. there are all flavors of human in cadia. isnt it more like... nationalist at that point I guess?
in american terms might even be more like east cost v west coast or something
like Im glad I live in the new england Im very proud of this part of the world even though it has its faults, I think we are better than the american south xD
anyway dont drag racism into 40k, we just had a huge "woke 40k" controversy and its very tiring
🤷♀️
outer wave
Instead drag in speciesism and xenophobia
thorn zenith
idk if I would call cadians racist considering that they aren't like... a race. ...
Maybe terming it as simple arrogance would work?
dusk patrol
Who the fuck brought this up
thorn zenith
Who the fuck brought this up
Im blaming you
lunar harness
it was right after my last post so its the first thing I saw in this chat xD
crystal forum
what is going on
xenophobia in my warhammer forty thousand??
i'm asking GW to increase their prices again in protest
tough haven
Maybe terming it as simple arrogance would work?
Yeah it’s like arrogance, and a strange elitism
But bottom of the line everyone is awful in 40K, they can just be awful
thorn zenith
The setting actively encourages everyone to be awful
tough haven
It’s sorta the point of the setting, really over the top grimdark where mostly awful things happen, as a form of satire of the worst parts of our selves and our existing society cranked up to a 12
If anyone looks to 40K for role models or emulation, it’s their fault, not the setting
vagrant osprey
i saw this randomly and i always thought powers in most media don't really make sense if you think about it
if you are strong enough to throw a car, wouldn't that mean you have really dense bones and cartilage, wouldn't that also mean you would crack tiles or crush cups just by holding it.
Why is it that you are immune to your own fire "magic"
tough haven
The setting actively encourages everyone to be awful
You’re telling me that a xenophobic society that actively encourages hatred, close mindedness, and division churned out hateful, close minded divisive characters?! Crazy.
thorn zenith
You’re telling me that a xenophobic society that actively encourages hatred, clo...
Absolutely barbaric
I was gonna make a joke but discord itself forbade me
Big sadge
thorn zenith
i saw this randomly and i always thought powers in most media don't really make ...
I mean, it makes sense for magic even if the justification is handwavial, because then it would be not fun to use and just complicates thing without any reward
But i do agree suspension of disbelief has become pretty hard for me so im always looking for a satisfactory justification for powers
tough haven
Ok that was really fucking funny, but I meant like mad max style music (I’d use the mad max soundtrack but 80 percent of the songs are too slow)
arctic talon
Maybe terming it as simple arrogance would work?
tbh who isn't arrogent in 40k lmao
thorn zenith
tbh who isn't arrogent in 40k lmao
True, in the far future there is only dick measuring contest
crisp heath
like Im glad I live in the new england Im very proud of this part of the world e...
Moved from New England to Texas and honestly it’s very different from what you’d think.
rocky gale
Texas is like a wild 50/50 either side depending on where in Texas tbh
green loom
anyway dont drag racism into 40k, we just had a huge "woke 40k" controversy and ...
You can argue "supremacist" but that just ends up being racism with extra steps
storm jungle
idk if I would call cadians racist considering that they aren't like... a race. ...
They are very much a race like how we would consider modern humans today and entirely fit into this category down to having unique ethnic features special to them like the purple eyes.
Its not at all a "east/west coast" thing, Cadians are very removed from other Imperial guard regiments and the entire thing with them is that Cadia as an idea lives on through their genetics just as much as their planets, the Cadian novels make a huge point of this down to Cadians always sticking to other Cadians to make kids or banging during long voyages with each other for other future generations once their planet is destroyed.
"Dont drag racism into" 40k is a wild argument considering the satirical elements of the universe itself lol
lunar harness
well, there are white cadians and black cadians, meaning they are as diverse among themselves as earth is, which contains multiple races. and they aren't racist against their own
storm jungle
Thats not really the same thing.
lunar harness
so its more about cadian pride than any genetic traits
storm jungle
The ethnicities we consider today are far removed in 40k, its more planet based cultures than continental like ours.
and its entirely about genetics
this is literally like i said a book point in many cadian books
They are disgusted at the idea of taking in non-cadians post-fall of Cadia
lunar harness
idk why that has to be genetic, but maybe you can link a segment that says that
storm jungle
Because it literally is their entire identity lol
regimental culture is a huge angle in every guard novel
lunar harness
I'm not reading the dawn of fire stuff
storm jungle
the Ghosts make an argument of this the entire time after they also start taking in non-tanith since their native ones are dead
storm jungle
I'm not reading the dawn of fire stuff
its been a thing since the mid 2000's lol
has nothing to do with Dawn of Fire, that has no cadian stuff
storm jungle
anyway dont drag racism into 40k, we just had a huge "woke 40k" controversy and ...
Also before i forget
lol
rocky gale
Like I said, 40k doesn't have the same racial racial connotations that we have. They don't discriminate in terms of black and white, but they do have racial discrimination based off other things that fit within the narrative of their world.
lunar harness
gaunts ghost never says anything that specifically makes it sound about race. when they look down on non tanith people it can easily be interpreted as cultural not racial
tough haven
Like I said, 40k doesn't have the same racial racial connotations that we have. ...
Everyone is equal to be grist for the mill
lunar harness
Like I said, 40k doesn't have the same racial racial connotations that we have. ...
like hating aliens
tough haven
gaunts ghost never says anything that specifically makes it sound about race. wh...
It’s better described as isolationism over racism
lunar harness
they can be extremely xenophobic without it being about racism, which is something GW works very hard to avoid imo because they don't want to discuss those themes imo. they keep it between aliens and have done a lot of work in recent years to show POC characters in their world
rocky gale
We're not talking about POC
lunar harness
cadia and tanith have really defined and proud cultures, you have to "raised cadian" to be culturally cadian
by like, our understanding of what "race" is cadians are racially diverse
they aren't homogeneous
rocky gale
We're talking about different things
lunar harness
maybe I'm just drawing an unnecessary line between hating a race and hating a culture
storm jungle
they can be extremely xenophobic without it being about racism, which is somethi...
Racism goes beyond skin color
we had people in history wipe out an entire other group simply because reasons down to "i dont like em" lol
rocky gale
As you said in 40k they are racially diverse, they aren't homogonous, they don't ascribe the same racial tones to things as we do, they apply cultural tones.
storm jungle
^
Its still a satirical message of the setting
like it literally says it in that post
rocky gale
They are racist to people who aren't Cadian
storm jungle
And yeah this too. Catachan do this as well
like to a ridiculous degree lol
"Anyone who isnt us is a weakling milksop"
queen laurel
And yeah this too. Catachan do this as well
they call people that are weaklings Cadian
storm jungle
YEP
queen laurel
They are mega racist to use another race to insult
lunar harness
but its not about race its about their way of life
lunar harness
culture and way of life mean the same thing
storm jungle
Turks literally make fun of Greeks for any reason and it easily falls into racism in many angles.
queen laurel
argument doesn't make sense cultural racism or just racism it's still hating on something for no reason
therefore it's bad
storm jungle
^
its not that deep
"They are just being silly about their way of life" okay thats cultural hate too lol
queen laurel
do not make a vivid out of this
lunar harness
Well, I think its more human to be like
THEY HAVENT BEEN THROUGH WHAT WEVE BEEN THROUGH
storm jungle
Its also unfortunately very human to hate someone thats different than you
lunar harness
yea but its not racism
storm jungle
....
rocky gale
Like if you were to say "I hate all Irish people, they're lazy drunks" I would call you a Racist, even though Irish is a culture not a race and we are not homogenous and contain many racial groups.
storm jungle
thats literally how racism forms
storm jungle
Like if you were to say "I hate all Irish people, they're lazy drunks" I would c...
^
this is literally the same thing
you are just going "Calling this group of people names is not racism"
like no, it is lol
lunar harness
thinking people who havent killed giant 40 foot bugs their whole life are inferior is based on what peopel do, how they live their lives
not literally like
oh terrans have smaller brains
they cant think good
storm jungle
Okay then why do they call weak people "Cadians"
totally has nothing to do with their culture i guess
lunar harness
because their culture prioritizes martial prowess and strength above everything?
storm jungle
And?
lunar harness
and people who dont meet those values would be considered inferior
storm jungle
thats been a subject of racial hate in history too?
"these people are weaker than us, we should kill them"
forest orbit
it is
rocky gale
I feel like it shouldn't need to be said, but Cultural supremacy is just as bad as racial supremacy
forest orbit
lol
lunar harness
If I say, "ALL PEOPLE WHO DONT HAVE JOBS ARE INFERIOR"
forest orbit
I feel like it shouldn't need to be said, but Cultural supremacy is just as bad ...
Yeah i was gonna cut in with this too
lunar harness
that is not racist
forest orbit
it is
lunar harness
??
queen laurel
because their culture prioritizes martial prowess and strength above everything?
does that mean since timmy is disabled they can kick him in the nuts and let him die?
forest orbit
I feel like
you are just moving goalposts
and making even less sense with each point
queen laurel
Just a bad thing nothing deep
forest orbit
Not really when it doesnt make sense
lunar harness
It... its only racism if they hate another race.
lunar harness
There are multiple racial groups on cadia, and they dont hate them
rocky gale
I have explained like 3 times now
lunar harness
there are white folks, and black folks, and asian folks
queen laurel
my brother on Gork and Mork
this is literally the first thing that would pop up if you search racist
forest orbit
THIS
lunar harness
yes but there are multiple ethnic groups on cadia
rocky gale
They don't see racial groups the same way we do, they would not subdivide their Cadians as "White Cadians, Black Cadians or Asian Cadians"
rocky gale
They are Cadians
forest orbit
They don't see racial groups the same way we do, they would not subdivide their ...
^
rocky gale
These Cadians are racist against anyone who isn't Cadian
forest orbit
race/culture in 40k is on a planetary level
why is this so hard to get
why are you focusing on skin color as the only form of racism lol
rocky gale
Because they have different interpretations of race/culture as we do.
Culture has replaced their race
lunar harness
I MEAN ITS SEMANTICS BUT. if culture has replaced their race its not racism
its... culturalism or nationalism
storm jungle
Yeah like
going by dictionary and specifications your argument is not correct and doesnt make any sense.
so id rather just stop this here lol
forest orbit
Okay then, im jewish and im white as hell, people can still hate me as this for other reasons even tho most europeans and I have the same skintone
but i guess its not the same thing because uh "not the same culture"
lunar harness
jewish is an ethnicity people can hate you for though. obviously ethnicity and culture overlap.
lunar harness
if cadians have multiple ethnicities you cant consider them "one ethnicity" just to support your argument
forest orbit
...
lunar harness
im not saying they arent prejuciced at all
forest orbit
oh my god dude
lunar harness
they are definitely prejudiced xD
forest orbit
I feel like
anything we say goes through one ear and out the other
i read this same reply like 5 times
lol
lunar harness
Its like hating japanese, french and chilean people who like backgammon and calling that racist
they are multiple ethnicities xD
they problem is the backgammon
forest orbit
"Its not the same thing" / "This isn't how race work"
We provide exact examples of how its literally how it works
"Nuh uh."
i quit lmao
rocky gale
Because Backgammon isn't a cultural group
shadow plover
reducing racism to just skin colour being different is very naïve
rocky gale
You listed three cultural groups
shadow plover
my two cents
lunar harness
reducing racism to just skin colour being different is very naïve
I'm not reducing it to skin color, I'm just saying there are multiple ethnicities ON cadia.
Hating Americans is not racist.
Because Americans exist of every ethnic group on the planet.
forest orbit
...
queen laurel
Hating Americans is not racist.
This is the mental gymnastics those people are doing to think tyranids are Jews huh
rocky gale
Because Americans exist of every ethnic group on the planet.
Are you aware that is also true of most countries in the world?
lunar harness
This is the mental gymnastics those people are doing to think tyranids are Jews ...
Okay, now that is a fucking leap. and it's massively unfair.
xD
paper haven
And a good morning to all of you.
lunar harness
free art 😄
paper haven
The best kind of art
green loom
free art 😄
I can make all the free art I want 
rocky gale
Free except for the cost of your own labour
Which is one's most precious commodity comrade.
paper haven
D'awww
lunar harness
xD
gray umbra
Battle brother
radiant lance
Me looking up
rose thorn
What the fuck happened lmao
queen laurel
What the fuck happened lmao
the usual
rose thorn
hey who would you consider the least evil chaos warband, like not even the major ones it can be a lil fuck off one from a single book
coarse pumice
probably some norsii or similar who actually just want to survive
celest dome
Bearsonling I guess
rose thorn
In 40k?
burnt maple
It do be a good morning
Oh, I love it. The chapter heraldry is beautiful, too.
rose thorn
Thousand sons?
They got some split ups that are uh
Comedically evil
Some just want treasure
Which one was it that kidnaps psykers
And then experiments on them
celest dome
Alpha Legion if we're speaking of CSM
rose thorn
there is like 100 alpha legion split offs tbh
which one was that guy from the renegade book
or was he from the main alpha legion warband
storm jungle
In 40k?
If you wanna be lore accurate just Alpha Legion, the lore doesnt show it but its not impossible for them to have loyalist elements.
otherwise theres not really any "least evil" chaos warband, they are all awful.
rose thorn
damn
storm jungle
Yeah even people like the Lords of Silence act nice but you know, plague marines lol
gray umbra
Nurgle is stockholm syndrome nice lol
storm jungle
lmfao
yeah that entire book has a agri-worlder they kidnapped slowly turn into a zombie and in the end its him just realising he doesnt care and prefers his new "life"
its awful
rose thorn
what was that warband that just summons demons all day for shits and giggles
queen laurel
yeah that entire book has a agri-worlder they kidnapped slowly turn into a zombi...
lore Question Dilara in Fantasy and AOS which dwarf faction has better technology, the chaos Dwarfs or normal Dwarfs
storm jungle
Depends on the hold, some normal dawi got better tech than the others due to less caring elders or going under their noses without them grumbling all the time. Chaos Dwarves are a bit higher due to less restrictions but most of their stuff still relies on slave labor compared to automation
storm jungle
what was that warband that just summons demons all day for shits and giggles
Also Word Bearers?
a lot of CSM warbands do this so i cannot remember 
queen laurel
Depends on the hold, some normal dawi got better tech than the others due to les...
And I think I'm going to go with normal dwarfs because chaos dwarves also rely on their magic to function a lot of their machine more
storm jungle
Yeah its a lot of "it depends" but normal dawi still got the better edge
due to you know, not being insane and actually making functional shit like airships and ironclads
queen laurel
due to you know, not being insane and actually making functional shit like airsh...
Then there's the skaven basically go wakanda and use crack vibranium to have better technology than everyone else
celest dome
Depends on the hold, some normal dawi got better tech than the others due to les...
Depend on the same way of "Do Skaven have better tech than Dwarfs"
storm jungle
Skaven deffo do
the problem with skaven is they can literally invent anything because warpstone is literally just a stupid unobtanium mcguffin.
celest dome
Like yes it's more advanced, but is it better.
I would chose Dwarf tech any time of the day
storm jungle
Nukes, trains, actual working TV screens, spaceships, etc
and yeah skaven tech is "They can do anything but it explodes"
Dwarf tech is less shoddy
queen laurel
Like yes it's more advanced, but is it better.
I would chose Dwarf tech any time...
it's the same arguments with orks really like
You would of course choose the more stable one than the one that has a chance to blow up
celest dome
Orks it's different, they themselves don't really understand how it work
queen laurel
Orks it's different, they themselves don't really understand how it work
to be fair the rats and the orks just go Fuck it we ball with their tech
If it works it works if it doesn't it doesn't simple as
rose thorn
a lot of CSM warbands do this so i cannot remember <:Why:903828179368677387>
didnt remember every space marine? not a real warhammer fan, prepare to be sent to the starwars pit
storm jungle
rose thorn
your punishment willbe explaining the lore importants of young jedi adventures to starwars lore
storm jungle
God kill me
rose thorn
im not a starwars fan or antyhing but the idea of giving a child a weapon that can litearlly kill most htings in a single swipe
is very funny
like
i think there is a reason the younglings couldnt defend them selves
queen laurel
As a bounty hunter
my sniper rifle loaded with Cortosis Rounds are about to make the greatest headshots ever known to man
queen laurel
yeah i'm also pretty sure a kid got vaporized there
rose thorn
The admech kid is nectrotic lmao
these children are not well fed
funny to think some of these kids book are darker and more emotionally complicated then some space marine books
celest dome
They're quite good for what they are
young pecan
This is cursed
rose thorn
They're quite good for what they are
i heard uh, the first aos one was pretty good
tough haven
funny to think some of these kids book are darker and more emotionally complicat...
It’s not a high bar to reach
wraith quartz
Hey there, "loyal servant" hg567-229, coming back with more questions about the Imperium.
So....
What is the Elyssiarchy?
If I spelled that correctly...
celest dome
Ecclesiarchy
It's the church of the Emperor
Which is a diaspora of cults to the Emperor, the primarchs and saints
versed ledge
Guys, in some mega cities like New York and Beijing, are people living the 40k hive world life style?
Work, go home, repeat?
wraith quartz
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwiE0IDU...
saving it for later
queen laurel
*saving it for later*
but it was around like mid M32
It really only started taking off when the emperor wasn't around to keep it in check
wraith quartz
Oh, with the whole "GOD-EMPEROR OF MANKIND" thing
queen laurel
Oh, with the whole "GOD-EMPEROR OF MANKIND" thing
Yeah the emperor never liked being worshiped as a God so he basically squashed anything that would worship him but when he wasn't around to keep them in check you can guess what the hell happened
wraith quartz
Ah
So the religious ranking (Pope <-- Bishop <-- priest <-- etc.) is similar to ours irl?
queen laurel
So the religious ranking (Pope <-- Bishop <-- priest <-- etc.) is similar to our...
There is a ranking but since I am not an expert I do suggest you look at the link
wraith quartz
Ok
celest dome
Guys, in some mega cities like New York and Beijing, are people living the 40k h...
No, it's much better than the Hive World life.
In most Hives, it'd Work, sleep at work, work
echo vault
yeah i'm also pretty sure a kid got vaporized there
I knew a kid died but HOLY SHIT
arctic talon
I knew a kid died but HOLY SHIT
they get necron'd lol
storm jungle
40k books conveniently almost never having kids around mass executions/massacres moment
echo vault
they get necron'd lol
That is a 180 from what ppl were expecting i'm sure
arctic talon
40k books conveniently almost never having kids around mass executions/massacres...
Me when the kids book has a more accurate depiction of Necrons killing everyone then a normal book
storm jungle
LOL
queen laurel
we need to make our voices heard
hey lambda i need your help with an army camp for Malakai
spring cairn
cannons
queen laurel
What frontline do you use to keep your range units safe
spring cairn
cannons
spring cairn
3-4 master engineers
stack cannons
but if you want actual infantry
dwarf warriors are perfectly fine, cheap and easy to acess
queen laurel
dwarf warriors are perfectly fine, cheap and easy to acess
Are any of the gyrocopters good besides the Thunder barge?
spring cairn
yes
brimstone gun is a flying unit for flamethrower
and steam gun is AP to shoot at stuff like chaos warriors
queen laurel
and steam gun is AP to shoot at stuff like chaos warriors
What about gyro bombers
I feel like they are redundant now with the Thunder barge
spring cairn
well you don't have to wait for a tier5 buidling to get them
and you can actually choose when it drop it's bombs so they're still good
especially since you get 4 models per unit now
queen laurel
especially since you get 4 models per unit now
what about range infantry
thunderers with the grudge rakers?
spring cairn
1 hits harder but has no range, the other hits hard but has range
lunar harness
hey who would you consider the least evil chaos warband, like not even the major...
idk... I'm HH probably Thousand Sons but they just become super villains pretty quickly. Same with Alpha Legion. Thousand Sons had the best intentions though.
spring cairn
you have to pick on that one
i don't remember much from my malakai campaign except that the cannons were doing everything
queen laurel
i don't remember much from my malakai campaign except that the cannons were doin...
yeah they can snipe lords
and turn large monsters into cheese
arctic talon
idk... I'm HH probably Thousand Sons but they just become super villains pretty...
Tbh they had daemons that were their buddies early on
They just didn’t know they were daemons
queen laurel
And they can turn a group of infantry into red miss with the grape shot
arctic talon
And the daemons were being useful lol
lunar harness
we earn the right to work 🙏
lunar harness
Tbh they had daemons that were their buddies early on
I read all the Tsons HH novels, they were just goofy little guys
funny little dudes
viral halo
40k books conveniently almost never having kids around mass executions/massacres...
need more of it tbh 📿
lunar harness
you aren't gonna be mad at a silly lil guy are you??
(the scene were the guy in the titan just gets set on fire by his familiar and his weapons won't turn off and he just rides the lightning)
arctic talon
storm jungle
(the scene were the guy in the titan just gets set on fire by his familiar and h...
Replace the familiar with me and the guy in the titan with my sibling and yes
lunar harness
your parents when they get home
A warhound titan that shoots Tzeenthian warpflame is a pretty cool idea though.
Alpha legion basically were told if they wiped out the human race they will save the galaxy and that seems kind of a classic utilitarian "good buy turned crazy bad" villain story.
The Thousand Sons just had it bad from the start, and were manipulated by the "never loses at manipulating" god into being evil.
What's the guy from watchman, who had the utilitarian view?
We do a lil galaxy level genocide and the Eldar farseers said it would be a good thing. 🙂
arctic talon
What's the guy from watchman, who had the utilitarian view?
Dr Manhattan?
lunar harness
Dr Manhattan?
Ozymandias
arctic talon
Ah
lunar harness
His idea was basically if you do this huge terrorist action and make Dr. Manhatten the scape goat then it would only take a couple million lives to unify the world against him and end the cold war.
And in the comic it works, but the rest of the "heroes" find out and he has to kill half of them.
Idk, I read it like 15 years ago lol
viral halo
Forgot how unsubtle the naming of a character "Ozymandias" is
same with the breaking bad episode
legendary poem though
arctic talon
Powder ganger die
storm jungle
We do a lil galaxy level genocide and the Eldar farseers said it would be a good...
It wasnt Eldar Farseers
it was just a cabal of aliens
who were getting actively genocided
lol
I dont really blame them for that act considering the Emperor basically declared jihad on the entire galaxy
lunar harness
I think the only ones we see are Eldar farseers, but yes the Cabal was a large gathering of psychically active aliens who could predict the future.
Eldrad kicked their butt though.
I think you told me that months ago xD
storm jungle
No you see like 5-6 other races in the council
lunar harness
But they aren't named alien species right?
storm jungle
the only eldar there is the one with the most weird name *Slaugh Da
They are named
but its like
dusk patrol
There’s an implied Old One too
storm jungle
Literally just name nothing else
dusk patrol
Who Eldrad kills
dusk patrol
They’re dumbasses anyways though
lunar harness
I like the implication that they were just wrong about their future sight. Very 40k.
storm jungle
Well no they werent.
Horus wiping out humanity if he wins is a said point in non-cabal places too.
dusk patrol
All got merced by Eldrad & Vulkan and Co
storm jungle
because Chaos itself is self-destructive
its just like, you know, too long
also we got minis to sell
lunar harness
Well, they wanted humanity wiped out to end chaos, because humanity fed chaos more than any other species.
dusk patrol
Also there’s no guaranteed it would work and it very easily could have been worse
storm jungle
We dont really know either way aside from what the books say.
arctic talon
Yeah
storm jungle
So its a double-edged thing.
dusk patrol
It’s a stupid gamble based off what others outside the Cabal think
Which is why they all get killed
storm jungle
No they get killed because its shit writing
lunar harness
Their idea was to super charge chaos and hope it imploded, but Eldrad disagreed with them. Violently.
storm jungle
and an unnecessary plotpoint
dusk patrol
No they get killed because its shit writing
Yes we know out of universe everything happens because it’s written like
The point is in universe they’re pretty insane
storm jungle
Yes we know out of universe everything happens because it’s written like
No its literally just shit writing. They appear out of nowhere and exit just as instantly.
lunar harness
I like that every character in 40k that has the power of future sight is just consistently wrong, every time, when it matters.
dusk patrol
Everything is plot
storm jungle
"THE FUTURE HAS TOO MANY POSSIBILITIES OH NO"
"IM A MASTER PSYKER BUT I CANT READ IT!"
lol
arctic talon
I like that every character in 40k that has the power of future sight is just co...
Tbf Eldrad has been correct enough lmao
dusk patrol
The point is in universe they’re just insane which frankly was kinda always the idea
arctic talon
Compared to other times
lunar harness
Thousand Sons, AHHHHH IM READING THE FUTURE
Eldar Farseers, AHHHHHH IM READING THE FUTURE
Cabal, AHHHHHH IM READING THE FUTURE
arctic talon
They give characters future sight lol
lunar harness
💀
dusk patrol
Alpharius and Omegon don’t actually give a shit about what they want to do
They just use the info for their own goals
storm jungle
Very purposeful
totally not just the authors making this shit up as they go to make it make sense
lunar harness
Tbf Eldrad has been correct enough lmao
thats why I take Eldrad's side. He has main character energy and is the like... the eldar that actually has super speshul super stwong future sight.
storm jungle
the eldar's futuresight is insultingly bad
lunar harness
Yea, I hate how it's written.
dusk patrol
The biggest issue is I had to read a fucking Kyme book to read about them all getting merced
arctic talon
Upside they die downside kyme book
lunar harness
We talked about this before with Eldar when we argued Dilara, I just wish the Eldar were written to be scarier and more competent.
😭
arctic talon
We talked about this before with Eldar when we argued Dilara, I just wish the El...
Curse of gav thrope
storm jungle
LOL
lunar harness
Yea, but I'm not digging that deep haha
arctic talon
The codex(sometimes)
storm jungle
yeah what Wolf said
lunar harness
This is like the people who are like AFTER 4000 HOURS OF FINAL FANTASY MMO IT GETS GOOD TRUST
arctic talon
Anything I see from gav thrope I know is bad for eldar
dusk patrol
There’s a few books, authors don’t really think through stuff a lot of times sadly
arctic talon
Same with his dark Angel books
lunar harness
Anything I see from gav thrope I know is bad for eldar
He will be the Votann writer, just watch
paper haven
Then is starts to get crazy after 6000 hours
arctic talon
Alright 50 cents says he’s gona make the votaan suffer horrifically
storm jungle
He will be the Votann writer, just watch
...He is 💀
arctic talon
In the book
viral halo
I need a book of votaan just being horrificly killed
arctic talon
He will be the Votann writer, just watch
He is writing a book for them
lunar harness
viral halo
I fantasize about a thunder hammer crushing the skull of a dwarf often
arctic talon
I need a book of votaan just being horrificly killed
Gav thrope , GAV THROPE GAV THROPE
dusk patrol
I don’t have any expectations for the LoV tbh
arctic talon
Their rail guns will bounce off a foegefiend
storm jungle
Same
arctic talon
And then they’ll cry about how the ancestors have abandoned them
viral halo
Shoulda never released LoV
storm jungle
they're just dwarves
paper haven
Why don't we like Gav Thrope?
arctic talon
And then they get slaughtered
viral halo
Why don't we like Gav Thrope?
His books are all boring and the same
storm jungle
Why don't we like Gav Thrope?
Likes a faction he writes but always makes them lose
also what Siggy said
arctic talon
Why don't we like Gav Thrope?
Good at world building had at writing anything else
storm jungle
if you want torture read any of his Dark Angels novels
dusk patrol
Their concept as presented is basically just “your faction but they have better tech”
storm jungle
Their concept as presented is basically just “your faction but they have better ...
also Deepcock Galactic memes
gray umbra
Did he write the hh books with zahariel or whatever
dusk patrol
But you see grimdark Elite
paper haven
Good at world building had at writing anything else
The worst sin a writer can have. Being repetitive.
gray umbra
Descent of angels
dusk patrol
Yeah
viral halo
Gav thorpe books are like alcholics anonymous except every one is named and there's an ice cold beer no one can touch in the middle of the prayer circle
arctic talon
But you see grimdark Elite
Ah yes so grimdark watching the eldar d cannon bounce off a fucking chaos predator
You know the gun that sends shit to the warp
dusk patrol
I hate him so much that I will admit the Brooks Lion book was an improvement on the DA
paper haven
Wait, descent of angels was Gav Thrope?
storm jungle
paper haven
Oh ok
arctic talon
I didn't mind the new Lion book
Better then gav
That’s my opinion
Good god please give eldar books to someone else other the gav
He doesn’t seem like he likes writing them lmao
viral halo
The lion looks like charles dances and fights like captain american, i KNOW WHAT YOURE DOING MR BROOKS
gray umbra
Ok i was gonna say descent of angels was alright
viral halo
Ok i was gonna say descent of angels was alright
it's just boring
paper haven
Good god please give eldar books to someone else other the gav
CS Goto
arctic talon
He loves worldbuilding
viral halo
Bring back steve parker
dusk patrol
The best thing that comes out of the 30k Dark Angels books is when Curze and the Lion and a ton of their sons have a big brawl where their captains are tackling the other primarch and other wacky shit
queen laurel
Warhammer fans be doing coin flips to see if a new writer is good or bad
viral halo
At least we got robert rath
dusk patrol
Mostly
arctic talon
Anyways god please I want another eldar book like Valedor
dusk patrol
New writers have been great
dusk patrol
It does seem like GW is being more selective these days
arctic talon
And the characters are all barely likable
gray umbra
The book was basically just mr darcy but with lion el jonson leading the order
dusk patrol
With who they choose for new writers
viral halo
GW is making books for the mainstream now
storm jungle
With who they choose for new writers
Its a mix
gray umbra
And then they became space mehrines
storm jungle
because like Authors also pitch ideas too
arctic talon
GW is making books for the mainstream now
Kingmaker has good writing
It’s a good book
storm jungle
i guess for "big events" they just handpick tho
storm jungle
Kingmaker is wonderful
prob my fav 40k book ever
viral halo
I visibly soyjacked at the big knight fights
arctic talon
Lol
viral halo
I bought an imperial knight after finishing the book
dusk patrol
Wish they’d have done someone other than Brooks for the Lion book
Someone who can you know
Write dialogue
arctic talon
its of acceptable quality
I'd rather take it over gav
idk
Maybe my hatred of Thrope is too great
viral halo
The Lion son of the forest book is the Lion going "nothing personnel kid" and hitting a chaos marine with a steiner recliner
storm jungle
FallenFallenFallenFallenFallen
arctic talon
after reading the Path of the Eldar books + Ynnari books + his DA books
like
all within a few months
lunar harness
My favorite is a horus heresy book.
Go ahead, shame me. It made me so sad...
arctic talon
💀
queen laurel
Wish they’d have done someone other than Brooks for the Lion book
He's not the best I agree but he's definitely not the worst
dusk patrol
“Hello I am Lion Bot, I am here to save day and I’m old and uncertain”
“Hello I am good fallen bot, I have a morally grey issue with you.”
“Wow, I Lion bot am conflict.”
storm jungle
My favorite is a horus heresy book.
Go ahead, shame me. It made me so sad...
Magnus being brain damaged; the book
dusk patrol
“Repeat for 400 pages
gray umbra
Prospero burns was more inyeresting than the other one about magnus
arctic talon
but like
versed ledge
No, it's much better than the Hive World life.
In most Hives, it'd Work, sleep a...
True, so true.
queen laurel
Considering that there are a lot worse authors
arctic talon
holy shit please do not let him write characters
viral halo
“Hello I am Lion Bot, I am here to save day and I’m old and uncertain”
“Hello I...
(fencing match ensues)
gray umbra
That one had a lot of magnus flying around
dusk patrol
He's not the best I agree but he's definitely not the worst
I wouldn’t care as much if he didn’t get jerked off so much by the fanbase
arctic talon
Worldbuilding is very good for his books though
gray umbra
And then pissing off dad
viral halo
Bring me back to a psyker sneezes and kills a trillion people
dusk patrol
At least with Kyme and Gav everyone says they’re shit
lunar harness
Magnus being brain damaged; the book
I liked him in this book, the next one in the series is interesting too. I love 30k Ahriman (Haven't read any 40k Ahriman though.)
queen laurel
I wouldn’t care as much if he didn’t get jerked off so much by the fanbase
I think it's just the way he kind of does his own thing, he's generally an easygoing person and very easy to get along too i heard
But how much do you bet that most people who jack him up are space marine fans
dusk patrol
Brooks will put some painful fourth wall breaking reference in and the entire fanbase comes in their pants cause I got the meme guys
queen laurel
I bet you a good amount
viral halo
At least with Kyme and Gav everyone says they’re shit
people love brooks cause he has a mohawk and is sassy on twitter
arctic talon
Just because I dislike an authors books
dusk patrol
I’m reading their books
paper haven
My favorite is a horus heresy book.
Go ahead, shame me. It made me so sad...
I will not. My favorite is Betrayer.
dusk patrol
Gav seems like a really passionate and fun dude
arctic talon
Yeah
dusk patrol
I just hate his writing
arctic talon
he seems to like worldbuilding lol
viral halo
As a warhammer fan you need to be Malus darkblade maxxing and hating everything and everyone to draw strength from it
lunar harness
I like ADB, and I don't get people who hate him so much.
arctic talon
let him write imperial armor
viral halo
ABD is the best BL author
arctic talon
I like ADB, and I don't get people who hate him so much.
I am the end and the death
viral halo
Some authors can fall off though
like James swallow
since he went through a divorce and it hurt his writing and care for the ip
queen laurel
As a warhammer fan you need to be Malus darkblade maxxing and hating everything ...
i will shove you so far in a toad dragons throat
paper haven
I am the end and the death
Wasn't that Dan?
lunar harness
I haven't read that stuff tbh, I've seen synopsis of it because I feel like the Emperor is a better character the less hes described
paper haven
Danny boy
dusk patrol
Imo, Swallow was never that good anyways
viral halo
flight of the eisenstein is fantastic
lunar harness
paper haven
I liked this one too
paper haven
Sisters of silence and custodians working together is so fun to read
arctic talon
Wasn't that Dan?
Yes I'm just being stupid
viral halo
When I read this in the 8th grade I bought hearts of iron 3 and it was all downhill from there until I found God
lunar harness
😬
paper haven
When I read this in the 8th grade I bought hearts of iron 3 and it was all downh...
Hearts of Iron?
paper haven
Tragic
viral halo
stellaris rocks
paper haven
https://tenor.com/view/hoi4-micromanage-gif-20717885
Yeah I'm aware of it
viral halo
my fave paradox game prob ck3 tho
lunar harness
I just can't get into crusader kings. Im just sitting there bored out of my mind and I only play it when my friends drag me into it lol
viral halo
CK3 is all about the larp
paper haven
Hoi4 is basically everyone trying to see if they can make Germany win
viral halo
During the pandemic I played in multiple 30 person HOI4 games that ran for 24 hours straight and it was a fucking time to be alive
Highlight was when we sunk the US army on its way to do normandy and then spent the rest of the game taking over the soviet player as he was the last allied player standing
paper haven
During the pandemic I played in multiple 30 person HOI4 games that ran for 24 ho...
What was the end result?
viral halo
What was the end result?
like 4 allied victories and 3 axis victories
most fun I had was playing as the saudis and selling guns to both sides lol
paper haven
I trash talk hearts of Iron players but I was one. During the pandemic.
viral halo
It's a super fun game
paper haven
It was a weird time.
viral halo
Only paradox game I never got into was EUIV
I bought and with all the DLC in 2014 and was so overwhelmed I just couldn't get into it
Victoria 2 will always be a fave though, especially with victoria 3 being horrible
viral halo
I love enslaving them with my machine hive mind
lunar harness
paper haven
green loom
I still have to try and make the atreides in Stellaris
dusk patrol
Easy, just let the local empire outplay you and wipe you out
lunar harness
Atreides is kind of hard because you would have to be a feudal vassal to a stronger power with other serfs who hate you, and because of how diplomacy works in that game the serfs would most likely either just come to love you or tolerate you even if you were a hated enemy.
It's not really very good at interior politics, it kind of assumes that every empire is a unified front outside of scripted story sequences.
There is an origin from one of the DLCs where you start as a feudal vassal though, but its just you and one other (randomly generated) empire.
winged jacinth
Plus once you get into the jihad i think its more or less mechanically incompatible
winged jacinth
I mean the whole "controlling the production of dwindling ftl fuel" thing mostly
lunar harness
also the God Emperor ascension questline converts you to a spiritualist empire
oh
Yea, thats true. FTL is CHEAP in stellaris 😄
back in the 1.0 patch you used to have to decide what type of FTL you wanted your civilization to use, it was really cool
winged jacinth
I guess you can kinda ape the appearance of the atriedes but i don't think you can really make use of any of the strategies or events
Also after like 70 years your empire needs to be led by ||a giant immortal worm man who has seen every future||
lunar harness
thats actually achievable
lunar harness
nothing says ur rhino cant charge
radiant lance
Isn't a melee vehicle just running them over?
gray umbra
Also after like 70 years your empire needs to be led by ||a giant immortal worm ...
I respect it
winged jacinth
Its so weird that we live in a world where dune is spoilable again
storm jungle
least violent civilian 40k vehicle
storm jungle
I do love how thats just a Brute Chopper from Halo
outer wave
I wish the brute chopper was real so I could ride to work in style
Could pick up girls with it too
celest dome
Did we ever get the Delague vehicles ?
young pecan
least violent civilian 40k vehicle
Factory workers giving the enemy a taste of their daily life
dusk patrol
Those are mining vehicles
young pecan
Mining workers giving the enemy a taste of their daily life
torpid narwhal
can someone explain commissar to me. im playing rouge trader as one.
do they do anything other then be symbols of authority
arctic talon
can someone explain commissar to me. im playing rouge trader as one.
They're political officers in the guard from the Schola Progenium. They pretty much have the authority to blow someones brains out whenever it calls for it. Their primary goal is maintaining morale and helping regiments get along with each other better
torpid narwhal
They're political officers in the guard from the Schola Progenium. They pretty m...
"get along or i will blow your brains out"
done problem solved
arctic talon
usually it doesn't escalate to that but yeah
Execution is generally
not something that a comissar should do
torpid narwhal
so discount inquisitors
arctic talon
not really
they don't have infinite authority
They aren't even officers(technically)
the exist outside the command structure
torpid narwhal
they seem kinda lame then
torpid narwhal
do they still fight
arctic talon
yes
they're often at the front
or very close to it to "inspire" the other guardsmen
torpid narwhal
the description in game came off as arm chair general
arctic talon
Comissars who are uh
bad
tend to end up with a fatal case of Ork snipers
in a warzone with no Orks
torpid narwhal
i wish they let you play as a sister of battle
or an adeptas mechanicas
sorry for spelling
river perch
any link to lore on buzzing? what is it?
green loom
Do you mean what the psykers sometimes say when you're edging your perils
arctic talon
any link to lore on buzzing? what is it?
just a warp creature trying to get into the psykers head
might be one of those hornets that lay eggs in your skull
might be a daemon
green loom
Their brain is being violated
Think of it like loud noises while you're high off your ass and also extremely sleep deprived
paper haven
Genestealer cults are both horrifying and tragic
paper haven
I hate how accurate that is
crystal forum
https://youtu.be/4obTZh1clqQ
this meme format will literally never stop being funny
wait a second
ENHANCE
📸
can't hide furry smut from me
paper haven
I- wha-?
thorn zenith
Brothers skill and commitment is commendable
river perch
did hives exist and with them being fucked up when the god emporer was around?
arctic talon
did hives exist and with them being fucked up when the god emporer was around?
Yes, a lot of hives are from the DAOT. But they were a lot less shit during the DAOT they were generally already not great during the Great Crusade
plush mason
hives are shit due in part to dome syndrome being hard coded into the people in them for so long
every single hiver is literally insane just by default of living in a hive
living in fully enclosed conditions for so long causes humans to become hyperaggressive and paranoid
thorn zenith
And the hives being overcrowded to shit despite being fuckass massive means that most people will not be having good quality of life
celest dome
Most hives are uber shit cause maintenance hasn't happened in millenia
plush mason
all parts of it yes
giant ruins overflowing with crazy people
thats what most hives are in 40k
who knows
hell i bet most people didnt expect the fallout show to be even half as good as it turned out to be
plush mason
and even then there are a lot of fallout fanboys hating on the show lol
celest dome
Fallout Ip holder is most likely way easier to work with,