It’s a god machine
#40k-lore-chat
arctic talon
winged jacinth
imperator titans are so funny
usually they get killed by like a whole legio doing a cool big battle, but i want a book where a chaos imperator gets revealed to turn the tides of battle and then gets lanced from orbit 3 seconds later
arctic talon
Imperator titans pretty much always die in the same book they show up lol
It’s kind of insane
arctic talon
https://tenor.com/view/warhammer40k-horus-heresy-gif-25203003
That’s a warlord eating shit
Smh
paper haven
Not an imperator I know but. Come on
arctic talon
Oh the trailer is great lol
winged jacinth
have we ever got a description of what happens if you fire a nova cannon towards a planet
paper haven
Void shield didn't do shit
storm jungle
have we ever got a description of what happens if you fire a nova cannon towards...
Big explosion
nova cannons are devastating but you kinda need a fleet-barrage sized attack to really crack a planet
winged jacinth
yeah the primary weakness of void shields is just blasting the shit out of them and the smallest warships have more firepower than any land based weapon (thats not an ordinatus)
arctic talon
Tbf they still got more then a ordinatus
Ordinati have big guns but not that many big guns
arctic talon
I’m speaking from a general point of view
arctic talon
they're all unique iirc
Not entirely
But each one is purpose built
The Ordo reductor likes reusing designs
Ordinatus mars is the most often copied one
winged jacinth
i'd like to see more funny setups described for purpose built weapons
two tanks connected by cables, one has a fusion generator and the other has a full on naval lance
paper haven
Void ships are fucking huge in 40k
winged jacinth
or taking cues from ork technology and doing more teleported ordinance
they're sizeable yeah
paper haven
I partially blame GW writers for not understanding how scale works
arctic talon
Mfw the tau manta is a interceptor/bomber
arctic talon
I partially blame GW writers for not understanding how scale works
Tbh space is huge
It’s not that weird
Most Imperial ships can’t enter planetary atmospheres generally
paper haven
Space isn't the issue, it's anything involving boarding actions and fighting within ships.
winged jacinth
the thing that pisses me off most about 40k void ships is that destroyers are smaller than frigates
who did that
arctic talon
the thing that pisses me off most about 40k void ships is that destroyers are sm...
Idk
arctic talon
Space isn't the issue, it's anything involving boarding actions and fighting wit...
Those usually don’t involve all the random ass decks tbf
arctic talon
Those usually are around reactors/the bridge/guns
Ect.
Important parts of the ship
Are pretty connected
winged jacinth
all sorts of stuff we could go there for
celest dome
Boarding Torpedo as start would be great
spring cairn
compared to vt2's intro sequence, which is just the finale of the game but from another angle
i think this confirm that dt's finale will take place aboard the tancred bastion
arctic talon
Lol
lunar harness
darktide map on a ship that opens with a boarding action
darktide needs:
maps on a ship
maps on a train
maps in the wasteland
maps in the underhive
paper haven
Just more content in general
winged jacinth
train levels are a classic
spring cairn
map on a ship comes first
winged jacinth
i dunno if we're gonna get a wasteland map but they could come up with something interesting
spring cairn
priority number 1
winged jacinth
underhive maps might be reserved for the final story revelations?
map on a ship is straight up just the cheapest one to make in terms of opportunity cost and i think people would be excited to return
a mission where you defend / move along a moving cargo train would be a lot of fun
hard to make that into 2 or 3 missions though
paper haven
Second hive when?
winged jacinth
im in the "second hive is an alternate game mode" camp
paper haven
I'm in the "Second hive is Darktide 2" camp.
celest dome
Chaos Waste is such an obvious choice for a second hive
storm jungle
map on a ship is straight up just the cheapest one to make in terms of opportuni...
One can hope 💀
gray umbra
Escort a baneblade mission
paper haven
Defend the top of a titan from boarders while it moves to an objective
gray umbra
Lol blow up the administratum while two knights are fighting in the distance of enclavum baross
Yeah 40k is an anime
No cap
tough haven
Anyone got any good Speed Freeks style music?
modern tapir
Just learned why the Tanith 1st is also known as the "1st and Only."
They must be really close to the Cadians.
rocky gale
Nah, Cadians are very racist
hallow basin
Ah yes, the proud Cadian race
rocky gale
Yea, to them if you're not Cadian born you're not a proper soldier
hallow basin
I know, I just wouldn't use the word "race" or "racist"
paper haven
Isn't the Tannith 1st and Only called so because their planet was destroyed?
rocky gale
Xenophobic would be the more appropriately used irl term, but seems like it would be confusing for 40k since Xenos exist
paper haven
Xenophobic would be the more appropriately used irl term, but seems like it woul...
A good point. They definitely tend to have a bit of an ego and look down on other units, which is shameful.
storm jungle
I know, I just wouldn't use the word "race" or "racist"
Its very much racism
almost all europeans are white but we got different cultures and all hate each other
storm jungle
NOOO-
hallow basin
Its very much racism
Eh. Sure, I guess. English isn't my native language, so I might just be misunderstanding
storm jungle
Its a different cultural group so it basically applies the same here.
otherwise though yeah non-cadians are legit treated like shit
being from Cadia or Cadian parents is a big deal
half of the new cadian books explore this a lot ironically lol
viral halo
steel tread does it very well
storm jungle
Yeah Long Shot too
you basically arent even treated like a person half the time if its the more hardcore Cadians which is hilarious
rocky gale
Yea 40k doesn't have the same racial connotations as IRL, but it does have divisions on cultural levels. So I just called that Racism for simplicity because the cultural groups also follow genealogical lines.
Like it doesn't look exactly like our Racism, but it's racism
storm jungle
Pretty much yep. These are just not brought up directly for obvious reasons but it more or less entirely applies.
Same as how the Guard are almost always shown being underdogs instead of doing war crimes on humans lol
paper haven
Guard vs aliens = scrappy underdogs
Guard vs humans = war crimes
storm jungle
storm jungle
Isn't the Tannith 1st and Only called so because their planet was destroyed?
Also late but yeah both in and out of universe, they were originally only gonna be for 1 novel.
Abnett realised nobody outside of England saw Sharpe's Rifles
EZ Money
viral halo
Can't wait for someone to join this conversation and go
"as a racist, I"
storm jungle
viral halo
Abnett realised nobody outside of England saw Sharpe's Rifles
Sharpe is generational
paper haven
To be fair to the guard here, I seriously doubt there is an in universe equivalent of the geneva convention
viral halo
Great books, loved the shows as a teen
storm jungle
Oh no there isnt lol
storm jungle
but like the massacres they do are always conveniently against Evil Aliens
you'll never see a squad of cadians tie people up to some poles and burn them because they had the audacity to rebel for being treated like slave labor
paper haven
Abnett realised nobody outside of England saw Sharpe's Rifles
I know about Sharpe's rifles.
storm jungle
nobody wants to read that even if it happens all the time
because like... yeah its a bit much
lmao
paper haven
you'll never see a squad of cadians tie people up to some poles and burn them be...
I actually read a book where that happened. Well, it wasn't Cadians
paper haven
But the chaos side was technically speaking the good guys in that one
paper haven
No no, the innocent people getting massacred were innocent
Chaos showed up as a result of the massacre
viral halo
you'll never see a squad of cadians tie people up to some poles and burn them be...
we've got space marines doing it though
Plague wars has one of the greatest civilian extermination missions ever written
storm jungle
to be fair do you think anyone remembers that in Plague Wars of all things.
paper haven
I should probably read Plague Wars
viral halo
"the angels are here to rescue us"
Pistol whips grandpa to death
puts a bolt in a little girl and GETS HER TATTED ON HIS NECK TO REMEMBER BY AT THE END OF THE BOOK
GUY HALEY! YOU SUCK!
paper haven
"the angels are here to rescue us"
>Pistol whips grandpa to death
>puts a bolt i...
Ok but why?
viral halo
Ok but why?
they almost blew the space marines cover
viral halo
No he was tucked into bed and eepy
arctic talon
you'll never see a squad of cadians tie people up to some poles and burn them be...
okay but we know it happens because of codex excerpts
well not exaclty tie to pole and burn
viral halo
Most of us don't know how
arctic talon
but they exterminated people who were protesting lol
glory to the imperium or something idk
paper haven
Why do you assume 40k fans read
That is a remarkably fair question
viral halo
this is the 40k fanbase
storm jungle
Me when people dont realise whats the joke with Black Templars being so racist is
modern tapir
Isn't the Tannith 1st and Only called so because their planet was destroyed?
It was destroyed. Not in the way Cadia was absolutely turned into a debris field, but population zero'd via orbital bombardment. The
Tanith 1st is the only regiment out of the 3 formed to escape and survive. Makes em more rare than that Cadian regiments.
arctic talon
The Tanith started refilling with non tanith yeah
and we know some are still around by M.41
rocky gale
Yea they recruit from worlds they "Save"
paper haven
Well they would have to
storm jungle
Yeah pretty much
arctic talon
since Trazyn has enough to refill his collection lol
storm jungle
its that or regimental extinction
arctic talon
inb4 they get given a "new tanith"
rocky gale
Well that's like the running promise of the series
storm jungle
they almost blew the space marines cover
God I was reading another story where an entire Hive City gets massacred alongside the governor by an entire Chapter of Marines after they sneak into the world.
The twist is that the governor has a relic which was apparently Horus' bolt pistol and the Marines destroy it with help from an inquisitor
modern tapir
Lol the Tanith ever meet the Catachans?
rocky gale
That if the regiment distinguishes itself well enough they'll be given a new world to settle, it's brought up a couple of times
paper haven
this is the 40k fanbase
There's such a huge rift between those that understand and seem to hate those that don't and those that don't understand and hate those that do.
arctic talon
God I was reading another story where an entire Hive City gets massacred alongsi...
they thought it was guillimans pistol lol
mfw
arctic talon
It wasn't even from Horus after he got corrupted 💀
viral halo
God I was reading another story where an entire Hive City gets massacred alongsi...
Mfw I kill a trillion people for a nerf dart blaster
paper haven
God I was reading another story where an entire Hive City gets massacred alongsi...
Any mission involving pre-heresy Night Lords counts
arctic talon
bruh just use some of the raven guard sucessors
storm jungle
"STOP FLAYING MY CHILDREN"
viral halo
Death spectres out here raping mfs
storm jungle
"man this will be so tragic, the readers will love it"
me laughing my ass off because im a sick fuck
arctic talon
Death spectres out here raping mfs
more like kidnapping for sexual slavery but yeah
storm jungle
"Breeding World"
paper haven
"man this will be so tragic, the readers will love it"
Oof. Failed to understand the audience
arctic talon
Same difference 💀
modern tapir
"Pleasure world" has another meaning.
arctic talon
also Space Sharks are just
storm jungle
to quote they deem the girl they rescue as "prime breeding stock"
paper haven
also Space Sharks are just
Loyalist Night Lords.
arctic talon
They got that RG geneseed but
pre corax RG and NL are pretty much
the same fucking thing lol
RG just less flay people alive and more slavery and brutal slaughters
paper haven
Kinda funny that all the primarchs hated Konrad and seemed to like Corax
crisp heath
Blood Angels successors be like "and this is cannibalism pit, where we have our biannual blood frenzies. We're really lucky we're hot because that makes the natives like us more and get away with this haha. Anyway let's go hurt bad people."
arctic talon
tbf Konrad was a total piece of shit
viral halo
to quote they deem the girl they rescue as "prime breeding stock"
me when I kidnap eternal reward
arctic talon
storm jungle
He deserves it tbh
paper haven
to quote they deem the girl they rescue as "prime breeding stock"
Yep
storm jungle
https://tenor.com/view/gotg-what-chris-pratt-starlord-guardians-of-the-galaxy-gi...
Its so bad
gray umbra
Konrad was schizoposting before it became a thing
paper haven
tbf Konrad was a total piece of shit
He absolutely was
crisp heath
Konrad was schizoposting before it became a thing
Estrogen would have saved her
arctic talon
also the Death Specters literally raid loyal imperial worlds as well
paper haven
But his main argument was that his horrific tactics ultimately saved lives and I don't think he was ever proven wrong.
They kinda just killed him and didn't self reflect at all
storm jungle
arctic talon
for "prime stock"
storm jungle
But his main argument was that his horrific tactics ultimately saved lives and I...
He was
since his visions were just him coping to why hes an evil piece of shit
gray umbra
He was when nostramo went back to being shitters and infiltrated his legion
arctic talon
like the death specters are considered just as dangerous as the Xenos
in the ghoul stars
viral halo
love dark eldar, love night lords, love red corsairs, love mfs being evil just to be evil
storm jungle
Decepticons my beloved
crisp heath
I'm slowly getting over my eldar hatred
paper haven
since his visions were just him coping to why hes an evil piece of shit
Ah, so that finally came full circle huh?
storm jungle
Yeah it did awhile ago
crisp heath
Craftworlders can still taste my bolter though
storm jungle
he has a whole speech with Sanguinius about it
storm jungle
Craftworlders can still taste my bolter though
its okay you can get blown up by an infinity-cannon too
arctic talon
love dark eldar, love night lords, love red corsairs, love mfs being evil just t...
me when I have a triangle of soul torture
storm jungle
Hellraiser mfer
paper haven
he has a whole speech with Sanguinius about it
And Sanguinius launches Konrad out of an airlock, right?
storm jungle
Yep
arctic talon
yeah
viral halo
me when I have a triangle of soul torture
WOW wish this was still the archon model and not the shitty one they replaced it with!
modern tapir
The Black Guard successor chapter of RG intrigue me.
paper haven
I recall that his main space marine once called him out and said everything wrong with the legion was his fault
arctic talon
Drukhari have a lot of art of them fighting Tau lmao
viral halo
Drukhari have a lot of art of them fighting Tau lmao
They do be rapekilling those tau
paper haven
Drukhari have a lot of art of them fighting Tau lmao
Oh god those poor Tau
crisp heath
A teenage true born deldar who is actually very sweet and nice and uses drugs to "ethically source" suffering, runs a youth group. Only survives commorragh because her mom protects her as a status symbol.
storm jungle
Theres a great art in that codex
where like
the foreground has some admech minding their own business
then a fucking dark lord portal opens above them
RUH ROH
rocky gale
WOW wish this was still the archon model and not the shitty one they replaced it...
Never forget what they took from us, never forgive.
viral halo
I have a brand new dark eldar codex from their original box set (third edition?) and the artwork is phenomenal
viral halo
they're my biggest army in 40k
arctic talon
like they're unapoloagetic about it
storm jungle
Steals cure that can fix any disease
Puts it on pedestal
crisp heath
Why does lelith have socks with a cleavage window
crisp heath
And where can I buy them
paper haven
A teenage true born deldar who is actually very sweet and nice and uses drugs to...
Run that by me again
storm jungle
they do that sometimes
arctic talon
Why does lelith have socks with a cleavage window
Drukhari fashion
viral halo
from the early 2000s
crisp heath
Oh I'm sorry, why does she have greaves with a cleavage window
storm jungle
also had like a tight thong
paper haven
Clothes? No.
They have accessories
viral halo
Oh I'm sorry, why does she have greaves with a cleavage window
She's a gladiator
storm jungle
Oh I'm sorry, why does she have greaves with a cleavage window
Gladiator
crisp heath
You can literally defeat lelith by walking into a patch of grass with thorns
storm jungle
Not really
storm jungle
she can just jump and kill you instead
viral halo
Lelith is prob one of the deadliest characters in 40k
paper haven
If I recall they are insanely fast
storm jungle
She has some insane excerpts
arctic talon
considering her reaction to getting stabbed by yvraine
viral halo
Drazhar too since he do be the OG striking scorpion
paper haven
All the combat stims
arctic talon
when fighting lol
crisp heath
I've been trying to find that art of a wytch in a gladiator pit who isn't dressed super gratuitously, she's in this like tasteful blue body suit and doing acrobatics with a human head
paper haven
I respect it
crisp heath
That was the coolest deldar art I've ever seen but I can't find it again
storm jungle
I've been trying to find that art of a wytch in a gladiator pit who isn't dresse...
thats fanart
also from inkary
search it up
paper haven
The one where she's holding the head with her foot?
viral halo
there's this dude on reddit that posts fantastic lelith art that's teetering on goon material
storm jungle
If I recall they are insanely fast
this "meme" is so lore-accurate that it hurts me
im so proud for making it
viral halo
I couldn't type the P word so now will be using "goon material"
crisp heath
@storm jungle thanks I've been looking for it for a long time!!!
arctic talon
ironically
storm jungle
<@166943308231344128> thanks I've been looking for it for a long time!!!
No one can beat me as the kinky art-master
also np
viral halo
the terrifying part of the dark eldar is not fighting them, it's not being killed by them
arctic talon
Yeah
viral halo
Fuck man I gotta get back into rogue trader
storm jungle
they can also empty entire worlds of billions of people in like 24 hours so like lol
viral halo
I want the drukahri boy in my party
paper haven
Seems unpleasant.
storm jungle
its like school
arctic talon
because you won't die
storm jungle
but you get your skin peeled instead
arctic talon
Kabal's are like
crisp heath
I can't believe the dark eldar got Birmingham
storm jungle
I can't believe the dark eldar got Birmingham
thats in realspace
gray umbra
spunker bunker material?
arctic talon
and talk funny
crisp heath
It doesn't exist anymore, they wrote it out by having drukhari take everyone
crisp heath
Has it?
paper haven
and they use blackpowder
They had it coming.
storm jungle
Yes
crisp heath
Maybe I dreamed that
storm jungle
No it happened
arctic talon
birmingham is from 5e
storm jungle
but something else happened after it
In 888.M41, the desolate world was again the site of conflict. This time the Daemonic horde of Skulltaker attempted to transform the planet into a Daemon world through dark rituals. Grey Knights managed to land on the planet, and Garran Crowe challenged the mighty daemon to single combat. Crowe managed to weaken the Daemon with a vial of the Emperor's tears, battling the Daemon to a standstill and buying enough time to win the day.[3]
pleasant
arctic talon
LMFAO
storm jungle
DAEMONIC INVASION
arctic talon
worse
crisp heath
but something else happened after it
Man I hate when time progresses linearly and effects have causes
storm jungle
I fucking love how of all people Castellan Crowe was there
like an actual big-name Grey Knight
its great
arctic talon
Bro went to the backwater imperial shithole of birmingham
insane sacrifice from Crowe ngl
gray umbra
I want the drukahri boy in my party
I honestly like marazhai. He was such an unrepentant pos
paper haven
Imagine you live there
arctic talon
I do find its funny
paper haven
Blackpowder rifles against Dark eldar portable black hole generators and then a bunch of fucken daemons show up.
arctic talon
that the Drukhari took advantage of the Nachmund Gauntlet conflict
by just kidnapping a fuck ton of people
and not really caring what they nabbed lol
storm jungle
Blackpowder rifles against Dark eldar portable black hole generators and then a ...
probably the worst thing that happened to that planet
green loom
Dilaraa did you see muh timelapse
viral halo
Ederius you should draw a dark eldar
viral halo
lemme see
storm jungle
bro
arctic talon
Clown
arctic talon
witch clown
arctic talon
huh
green loom
I sees
green loom
Oh I wasn't paid 
storm jungle
OH
green loom
I just sketched it randomly since he hit 60k
storm jungle
I just sketched it randomly since he hit 60k
ah fair
viral halo
dilara throwing haymakers
storm jungle
I dont like him im sorry lmao
arctic talon
storm jungle
he was on a podcast with pancreas, it was great
viral halo
I don't watch youtubers
paper haven
Man, I don't know the community enough to get these jokes.
green loom
I also figured out how the timelapse feature works in Krita
viral halo
that's sick
storm jungle
Man, I don't know the community enough to get these jokes.
Honestly its better that way
lol
viral halo
How do we feel about the Ynnari
arctic talon
fine
storm jungle
We dont
paper haven
I also figured out how the timelapse feature works in Krita
Unironically some of the best Night Lord art I've ever seen
storm jungle
they suck
viral halo
But conceptually
storm jungle
uh
arctic talon
Conceptually they're fine
viral halo
How do we feel
arctic talon
I enjoy their exclusive minis
dusk patrol
It’s a fine idea and the concept of merging all the different factions was cool
arctic talon
yeah
storm jungle
the problem is
arctic talon
Their books are straight ass
dusk patrol
It just needed more
paper haven
Soup factions?
storm jungle
uh
arctic talon
Multiple factions in 1
storm jungle
basically mixing sub-factions into 1 thing
arctic talon
^
paper haven
OH
storm jungle
its very bad
green loom
Unironically some of the best Night Lord art I've ever seen
It's a garbage sketch I did in 30 mins with wacky everything but thanks 
paper haven
Like soup. Clever.
arctic talon
Soup is generally pretty horrifying gameplay wise
green loom
I drew so much today that my head hurts
dusk patrol
Me, min maxing my Shattered Legions army for heresy
(I will never be able to find another game in my area again)
paper haven
It's a garbage sketch I did in 30 mins with wacky everything but thanks <a:zLLNo...
Well. Still.
green loom
I'm just happy I figured out how to do the timelapse
arctic talon
Me, min maxing my Shattered Legions army for heresy
(I will never be able to f...
me when I see someone running shattered legions with the most horrifying list known to man
green loom
With my new SSD everything will be recorded 
paper haven
I had a plan of making a loyalist space marine army, White scars maybe, and also using them to play as Alpha Legion.
storm jungle
Shattered Legions?
More like... Shattered Nuts? idk
arctic talon
my (((lore))) accurate list of 3 contemptors, 3 leviathans and 3 casfaratums
storm jungle
I had a plan of making a loyalist space marine army, White scars maybe, and also...
id comment but i forgot how that works on tabletop
viral halo
I like having my dark eldar in a list with striking scorpoions
My ynnari force is 90 percent dark eldar anyways lol
paper haven
id comment but i forgot how that works on tabletop
I think it's technically possible
arctic talon
I had a plan of making a loyalist space marine army, White scars maybe, and also...
play them as AL if you want. I won't stop you
gray umbra
My man looks like a destiny warlock
viral halo
Shattered Legions is BASED DEPARMENT
arctic talon
translate well for daemon engines
stuff like forgefiends or lord discordent
Ynnari also isn't a full soup faction
paper haven
translate well for daemon engines
I know I'd have to get creative, but the meme makes me smile
arctic talon
since you don't get haemonculi
viral halo
Sad that wracks are my favorite model
arctic talon
you only get Wych's, Kabalites and mercenaries
I wonder how awkward it is
when there's Ynnari incubi and striking scorps
in the same room
viral halo
I got the finecast haemonculi last week very excited
another model they ruined in the refresh
arctic talon
Drukhari refresh wasn't great for characters
I think the most recent one is great though
with Inbcubi and Wych's
arctic talon
but the 7e one was kinda rough
viral halo
haemonculi and archon are ehhhhhhhh
viral halo
RIP court of the archon and beastmaster/beasts though
paper haven
But it's not a true lore accurate AL army if I don't identify units from my opponent's army as my undercover units and if they die, I resign the match.
arctic talon
I think the funniest thing I've seen was someone asking if the harlequin shadowseer was a
whats the race from mass effect called
with the suits
paper haven
OH
rocky gale
Quarian
paper haven
Quar- Damn it
green loom
Have you guys seen the "woke author" list
paper haven
Tali is the best character in mass effect
paper haven
Have you guys seen the "woke author" list <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
The what?
dusk patrol
Garrus
dusk patrol
Nein
arctic talon
guh
paper haven
Some idiot compiled some black Library authors they deem as "bad"
Oh. Was it all the good ones?
gray umbra
Why were they clasified as woke
green loom
It includes gav so no
dusk patrol
As long as they have Brooks they’re based
gray umbra
Because women were in the guard?
dusk patrol
Brooks doesn’t get enough hate
green loom
Why were they clasified as woke
rocky gale
I imagine all the books writen by women were included on the woke list
green loom
We got our own Captain on there too
arctic talon
"he does not insert political opinion in his books" infinite and the divine
I don't think they read the book
chat
is this real
green loom
You think they read?
arctic talon
idk
arctic talon
I like having some level of faith in idiots
dusk patrol
As long as he hates Brooks too. Even if it’s for the wrong reasons.
gray umbra
This is one giant ad hominem
dusk patrol
Fucking can’t stand him
paper haven
I'm not as familiar with the authors themselves, what are the good authors?
Bad authors?
dusk patrol
Subjective but
Abnett, ADB, Wraight, Rath are some primary ones I’d say
And uh what’s his name
paper haven
I mean I know Mike Ward and the uh... Dawn of war author
dusk patrol
He did the Kingmaker one
viral halo
quarian
arctic talon
ward is fine for codex
gray umbra
Cs goto
arctic talon
Rath is Kingmaker
rocky gale
Damn Jonathan D Beer, just gets the singular comment of "Leftist"
dusk patrol
What’s the other one then
arctic talon
idk
dusk patrol
Newer guy
dusk patrol
Fuck me
arctic talon
head empty
arctic talon
for like actual bad author tier: CS Goto
green loom
Damn Jonathan D Beer, just gets the singular comment of "Leftist"
Whatever could this mean
dusk patrol
Nathan I think something
dusk patrol
That’s it
gray umbra
You know people give cs goto shit for backflipping terminator but look at gabriel in dow3
paper haven
for like actual bad author tier: CS Goto
Yeah, that guy
arctic talon
Gav Thrope goes in: Why is he writing books tier imo
dusk patrol
But those are ones I’d say are just consistently good
dusk patrol
I think a lot of authors make some good books
arctic talon
not great at character stufF
gray umbra
Mans powerflipping in terminator armor AND with a thunderhammer
arctic talon
I think a lot of authors make some good books
yeah I agree
Kymes books are
something
paper haven
I like Dan abnet and ADB in general. Graham Mcneil, sometimes
paper haven
The Ultramarine Omnibus was a fun read, if a bit all over the damn place
gray umbra
Ben counter was good
viral halo
Dilara loves dan abnett btw
dusk patrol
Tbh the only reason I dislike the “woke” stuff in Brooks books is 1. It’s more pandering fourth wall breaking most of the time. 2. People fucking soy out like him making fun of online reactionaries makes his books somehow good.
gray umbra
You cant not like dan abnett
paper haven
Sam Mitchel?
storm jungle
I'm not as familiar with the authors themselves, what are the good authors?
Basically the long version
Gav Thorpe if hes writing Eldar or Dark Angels, always the same boring plot beats, cant write to make a faction cool for the life of him.
Nick Kyme, Chief Editor at Black Library, singlehandedly has ruined the Salamanders as a faction across 8+ books in both 30k and 40k, not any fan of the Chapter likes him.
Phil Kelly, not awful but he is the MAIN Tau writer and just doesn't understand the faction either.
These are mostly fine authors (minus Kyme) but they are generally doofuses and should kinda stop what they are doing.
Matt Ward is genuinely a good writer but has suffered a lot due to his Ultramarine/GK codex from the mid 2000's and has gotten dogpiled as a "cringe author" even though the backlash has really magnified the very small wrongs in the stuff he has produced.
C.S Goto was so bad in his DoW novels that he got fired lol
And thats kind of it.
gray umbra
The man oozes prose
paper haven
Caiphus Cain author. Love those books
storm jungle
BL rarely has god awful writers minus like Goto
dusk patrol
Most of the time they’re fine at least
storm jungle
mostly
dusk patrol
Except Brooks fuck him
viral halo
BL rarely has god awful writers minus like Goto
don't forget henry zhou
dusk patrol
He wasn’t even bad
gray umbra
Matt ward was in charge of necrons right?
dusk patrol
He just plagiarized for no reason
storm jungle
don't forget henry zhou
Zhou is whatever, he plagiarised and got fired, its not that big of an event.
paper haven
Basically the long version
**Gav Thorpe** if hes writing Eldar or Dark Angels, ...
These are the good authors?
storm jungle
These are the good authors?
Mostly bad
dusk patrol
His other books in that series were good imo
paper haven
Ok cool
dusk patrol
His plagiarizism is so fucking bizarre
viral halo
Zhou is whatever, he plagiarised and got fired, its not that big of an event.
he plagiarized irl vet stories 😭
dusk patrol
That was by far the worst book of that trilogy too
It didn’t feel 40k at all
Because you know
paper haven
Which trilogy?
dusk patrol
It was a fucking Iraq war memoir or whatever
green loom
Lmao
gray umbra
Oh man
dusk patrol
Which trilogy?
Bastion Wars
Basically he wrote three books which were somewhat connected
paper haven
Not familiar. Worth a read?
gray umbra
What was it about?
dusk patrol
One was about these soldiers in the jungle, and he ripped direct passages from a war memoir
paper haven
Who did the uh... Word Bearers omnibus?
dusk patrol
Which he eventually got canned for
dusk patrol
Who did the uh... Word Bearers omnibus?
Josh Reynolds
But the funny thing is the other two books were pretty good
paper haven
Mixed feelings on that one. Some of it was good but other bits just confused me
dusk patrol
And the soldier one I remember not liking
arctic talon
Matt ward was in charge of necrons right?
Necrons yeah
storm jungle
so stories are just "random bullshit go"
arctic talon
Ward did the 5e necron rewrite
storm jungle
Matt ward was in charge of necrons right?
He also wrote the plots of Vermintide 1 and 2
and most of the dialogue
which everyone liked, obviously bad writer
gray umbra
Hehe
dusk patrol
He does a lot of behind the scenes stuff and is a large part of why GW doesn’t publicly credit writers anymore for stuff like codex’s
paper haven
*which everyone liked, obviously bad writer*
You can't point out things that go against what other people say. That's not faaaaair
viral halo
I sold my word bearer's omnibus to a prison for 90 dollars in 2014
gray umbra
Yeah i was talking about the memes about ward the other day
storm jungle
He does a lot of behind the scenes stuff and is a large part of why GW doesn’t p...
Also this yeah
his harrassment was insane
and like massive
community-wide almost
paper haven
I only know about it because of how massive the hate was.
paper haven
I don't think I ever actually read the thing people were mad about
dusk patrol
And people who weren’t even alive when it happened still spout shit cause 1d4chan is a cesspool which has permanently fucked the meme community of 40k
gray umbra
Is that sarc- ok
paper haven
I did read Dawn of War and. Well.
Did you know it was a trilogy? I only got through one and a half books
paper haven
And worship Slaanesh
There was a uh, like ten page long exerpt all about this one Eldar suffering
gray umbra
Wait what
viral halo
And people who weren’t even alive when it happened still spout shit cause 1d4cha...
1d4chan is the best website man
viral halo
paper haven
Even back then I was like: "Ok what the hell?"
storm jungle
Lelith lives in the Eye of Terror and worships slaanesh
yeah like
"what the fuck"
gray umbra
Haha
viral halo
I used to read that shit in high school and college all the time lmfao
storm jungle
its like some genestealer cultist throwing a rock at a leman russ' tread and it exploding 💀
paper haven
A bunch of kids attack an Eldar tank and destroy it with rocks. Eldar prefer to use Guard vehicles because they have better armor.
gray umbra
This is still cs goto right
viral halo
I would go as far to say that r/grimdank has hurt warhammer more than 1d4c 
rocky gale
1d4chan is the best website man
I've never used 4chan, but people always assume I'm from there, so it must be awful.
arctic talon
This is still cs goto right
yes
viral halo
I've never used 4chan, but people always assume I'm from there, so it must be aw...
it's the best and worst
gray umbra
Holy moly
viral halo
it's all bots and Israelis BBC posting these days on 4chan
gray umbra
Did they prefer lasguns over shurikens too
arctic talon
its like some genestealer cultist throwing a rock at a leman russ' tread and it ...
its a uh depleted plotanium rock
storm jungle
ah yes
arctic talon
obviously
viral halo
Lex Luthor and his bald ass head
arctic talon
but yeah don't let gav thrope cook eldar or dark angel books or something
viral halo
doesn't have waves like Norman Osborn
arctic talon
idk
arctic talon
CS goto got fired 
storm jungle
Norman's hair is underrated
arctic talon
truly peak
paper haven
Oh god, what else? It was bad. Bad, bad.
Which sucks because Dawn of war (the game) was my introduction to 40k
storm jungle
Yeah my condolences
viral halo
Dawn of war 3 is bad bad
rocky gale
My one interaction with 4chan was when a friend showed me a picture of a Drow and it gave me a spark of inspiration, so I wrote a funny short story about it and then my friend uploaded both the image and the short story to 4chan and then people flamed it and said that it was clearly a fetish piece.
paper haven
And it blew my mind. I loved it
arctic talon
regarding dawn of war
storm jungle
My one interaction with 4chan was when a friend showed me a picture of a Drow an...
Sounds accurate
arctic talon
it gets the setting pretty well lol
gray umbra
Sindri was the coolest guy of all time
paper haven
Sindri being a dick is my favorite part of the game
arctic talon
also dawn of war still has the uh
dusk patrol
Most informed Grimdank commenter
gray umbra
I think that was the time period where everyone and their mother liked to shit out novel adaptions of everything
Movies, games
rocky gale
I just wanted to write a funny little story and everyone called me a pervert 
paper haven
Everytime he's on screen I'm like: "Yeah, he's clearly the main threat here."
dusk patrol
Then they go on to complain about his plot armor, for something that someone made up probably from half remembering some dumb meme
paper haven
Most informed Grimdank commenter
I- what?
gray umbra
His voice acting was just umf
storm jungle
Most informed Grimdank commenter
IM SO FUCKING TIRED OF ASTERION MOLOC
dusk patrol
In the book all that happens is a Shield Captain is about to tangle with him and he’s not sure if he can take him
Then it gets stopped
That’s it
paper haven
Power. Demands. Sssssacrifice.
dusk patrol
I hate grimdank
storm jungle
no Eternal you are just stupid
Asterion Moloc is as tall as the Empire States Building
HES AS BIG AS AN IMPERATOR TITAN
HES SO COOL
storm jungle
oh wait whoops
paper haven
Who is... this guy?
storm jungle
mixed up by generic terminator marines
storm jungle
Who is... this guy?
Chapter Master of the Minotaurs
dusk patrol
Who is... this guy?
Forgeworld character whose got a neat design which has been memed to all hell
gray umbra
Nah the custodes just couldnt handle his sigma male masculinity
paper haven
Oh. Wait. Ok I know who that is
dusk patrol
Even though he has done like two things
gray umbra
He cowered in fear from his pheromones alone
storm jungle
like the fact
that i mixed him up with Tyberos
tells you all you need to know
lmao
paper haven
Minotaurs are like the special anti-astartes chapter. THink they fought in the Badab war?
storm jungle
Yep them
they get their bigger official debut in the coup on Terra against Guilliman
even if its a bit brief
gray umbra
Tbh all i know about minotaurs is that theyre just notorious assholes
paper haven
Pretty sure there's some ridiculous writing around them
paper haven
Dawn of war still has the BDSM mandrakes
Oh god, I remember
viral halo
Dawn of war still has the BDSM mandrakes
all the in game models are the pre refresh models including asdruabel vect and it's very funny
paper haven
Although, most of the Dark Eldar in that game are... Well.
viral halo
it's also cool seeing the dais of destruction in game
arctic talon
yeah
dusk patrol
There’s a trend for better or worse of a lot of Forge World chapters being very special snowflake
paper haven
they get their bigger official debut in the coup on Terra against Guilliman
Oh. So they're all dead, then? Custodes cleaned house?
arctic talon
no
dusk patrol
Like somehow they all have these priceless relic dreads and terminator armor and weapons
arctic talon
they got called off
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
new master of the administratum iirc
dusk patrol
Oh. So they're all dead, then? Custodes cleaned house?
It was a Cold War kind deal
arctic talon
they listen to her
storm jungle
they were also being played by Guilliman even if they sided with the High Lords
dusk patrol
There wasn’t much violence
arctic talon
yeah
arctic talon
for a coup only like
arctic talon
I think its 10 minos
storm jungle
LOL
paper haven
1-2 custodians died?
That's a lot though. Isn't it?
storm jungle
I WAS TRYING TO BE NICE
paper haven
Welp. Alright then.
arctic talon
tbh
they did not choose a good place to fight those minotarus lol
ah yes a tight cramped space where they have numerical advantage
and I can't manuver properly
paper haven
Fair but they're supposed to be damn near perfect
storm jungle
they uh
arctic talon
Mandrakes got a huge glowup
arctic talon
LOL
storm jungle
paper haven
Mandrakes got a huge glowup
Oh shit.
gray umbra
Plotonium needs to be a real thing
storm jungle
love the japanese skin-cloaks
paper haven
That's sick
storm jungle
honestly just the image of like
"Hold on guys these custodians will kill us."
takes out tiny raygun
takes away their plot armor
"Ok lets get em"
literally almost every minor 40k engagement
gray umbra
Its like the jokaero digirings
paper haven
What was the horus heresy novel uhhh... A world eater without a weapon or armor kills a Custodes
I had to read that bit a few times because I was sure I missed something but no.
gray umbra
Outcast dead?
paper haven
Yeah that one
storm jungle
yeah he punches through him
dusk patrol
"Hold on guys these custodians will kill us."
What happens if they have to out sneak someone from Tanith though?
storm jungle
gray umbra
Regular human with a sword
Apparently this guy duelled lucius and survived
paper haven
There were also some Thunder Warriors, if I recall which is confusing all on its own
gray umbra
His katana broke tho
storm jungle
yeah 30k is a bit like
dusk patrol
Didn’t fold the steel enough
storm jungle
"what random bullshit can we do for the next novel"
gray umbra
Glorious tertium steel
paper haven
Apparently this guy duelled lucius and survived
Well, Lucious does tend to lose against named opponents
storm jungle
its his entire gimmick too
arctic talon
he can't die in 30k smh
gray umbra
His entire thing is becoming them yeah
arctic talon
dusk patrol
Also tbh his “fights” are a bit exaggerated
Lucius is fucking with him the whole time
paper haven
But he wants to die, right?
dusk patrol
He’s very apathetic to winning properly or doing anything
He just wants a good perfect fight
gray umbra
I dunno lucius got weird ever since loken punched him in the face
storm jungle
his brain got rotated
paper haven
Who was the raven guard guy who killed him?
storm jungle
he has actual plot armor
arctic talon
But he wants to die, right?
he wants to die forever lol
gray umbra
Do you think lucius is happy
arctic talon
he explictly isn't
paper haven
There was Loken who broke his nose.
The raven guard who killed him
And a thousand son?
gray umbra
😦
paper haven
I love 30k but it is all over the place
dusk patrol
He didn’t die to a thousand son
paper haven
Kharn's pretty chill though.
dusk patrol
And he beat Loken the second time when he was trying properly
His issue is he just wants good duels and he fucks around
This becomes more extreme in 40k
paper haven
If I recall, he took losing to Loken very seriously
gray umbra
Yes he was very butthurt
paper haven
And the thousand son guy cut his face, didn't kill him
Is it wrong to relate to Pertorabo in the 30k books?
Because I do.
gray umbra
Man just wanted to build nice things
But i guess they needed him to live up to his namesake
dusk patrol
Yes he was very butthurt
Yes which is why he actually tries the next duel
paper haven
All of his problems are self inflicted. He's childish and petty and lashes out at the drop of a hat. He's jealous of the accomplishments of others and very very stubborn which tends to just come back and bite him in the end. He's got almost no redeeming qualities but everytime I read a book with him in it, I feel for the guy.
dusk patrol
Basically, Perturabo is always his own worst enemy
He had one of the best upbringings of any primarchs and his adopted family is shown to care about him but he fucks it all up with his paranoia and superiority complex
storm jungle
Hes basically that dude you might know IRL who you want to help but he just pushes everyone away and wants to wallow and never improve himself.
dusk patrol
People bring up how his adopted dad used him for war but his dad was very frank and honest about it and didn’t ask anything of him he wasn’t asking his actual kids
storm jungle
his own sister calls him a man-child
and its not even funny, its just accurate
||he strangles her of course, sigma behavior||
dusk patrol
His number one enemy is himself always
paper haven
his own sister calls him a man-child
She was spot on, too
and he knew it, which was even worse.
dusk patrol
The tragedy of his deal is that he squandered himself, not that he got squandered by anyone
paper haven
But whenever he's presented with an opportunity to really self reflect and grow he instead chooses violence
gray umbra
he spent too much time on /rconspiracytheory
dusk patrol
He wanted people to ask him to
Other primarchs had no issues making their own projects as they desired
He had the freedom to do what he wanted mostly, he just wanted to be acknowledged for it
storm jungle
Peter is one of the better written traitor primarchs yeah, the others are literally almost just meme-tier lore when it comes to why they went traitor.
paper haven
Like, Oh I'm so burdened by the expectations of others as a direct result of my insisting that they view me as reliable even though they never actually expected all that much out of me
gray umbra
i just kind of accepted most "evil" motivation in 40k is saturday cartoon villain material
storm jungle
LOL
dusk patrol
And the thing is when he gets to he shows how insanely gifted he is even by primarch standards
paper haven
Angron is the only other one I feel bad for
dusk patrol
I don’t personally
storm jungle
also yeah Angron was basically shit out of luck
dusk patrol
Same with Curze
storm jungle
but also as Eternal said like
dusk patrol
They get pity early on
gray umbra
i never got that far but i think angron had the chance to get rid of his pain implants
but he was like NA
storm jungle
It was more that he couldnt but he didnt have to drag it out
his entire excuse was "they want a monster they'll get a monster"
gray umbra
i stopped reading 30k books around prospero burns
storm jungle
he doomed his entire legion with himself
paper haven
I know the Emperor said he probably could remove them but chose not to
paper haven
i stopped reading 30k books around prospero burns
Oh man, talk about self inflicted tragedy
paper haven
his entire excuse was "they want a monster they'll get a monster"
And then he goes all: "They made me into a monster."
storm jungle
Yep
with Magnus tho it goes downhill
since like the issue with his fall is its like him constantly looking at his script
paper haven
Magnus had so many chances
storm jungle
"Man i need a good reason to go traitor because Gamesworkshop is asking me to."
"Uhhh guess ill just let my legion die"
"No wait ill go out and save them instead"
lmao
paper haven
Right? I feel like if GW wasn't restricted by all the already established lore, we could have gotten something much better
storm jungle
yeah but the issue is the result is determined
the Thousand Sons need to fall to chaos because lore lol
its why stuff like morty/death guard is so bad
"I hate my dad because he rescued me"
lmao
paper haven
Yep.
gray umbra
i think thats my problem with legion
paper haven
Oh morty
storm jungle
Yeah it just doesnt work. You legit need to put up with a lot of bad writing.
since you can just see the authors being all"
"shit we gotta make up excuses"
you can see them being puppeteered to do dumb shit
gray umbra
alpha legion conceptually is cool but their entire lore is blueballs
storm jungle
Yeah they are an entirely chaos faction but the lore wants you to think they got loyalist elements which are almsot non-existant lol
dusk patrol
I’m just mad we never got a primarch tag team fight with Omegon and Alpharius together
paper haven
Half of the traitor primarchs are like: I know I'm supposed to be a perfect example of good things but in ten years I need to be a murderous psychopath so we're just gonna run through the next few bits ok?
dusk patrol
The main issue was how rushed the early heresy was
Cause it was supposed to be ten books
storm jungle
yeah Horus' fall especially is comedic
gray umbra
the sweat lodges
storm jungle
KEK
crisp heath
Which primarch would bite into an omega 3 fish oil pill and suck all the fish oil out and then take the empty casing and throw it at his brothers so it gets stuck to their clothes
gray umbra
glad to know that it isnt just me who thinks that was a really weird plot device
crisp heath
It's Leman Russ