yeah pretty much
#40k-lore-chat
queen laurel
its filled to the brim with drugs
she makes basically the best type of chemtech around
arctic talon
its pretty
thats what matters to pilties lol
ignoring the fact that some of them are primed to fucking gas people and kill them lol
arctic talon
she makes basically the best type of chemtech around
more like miracle cures tbh
the main thing she makes is medicine
ignoring the fact she's also mass producing drugs, and weapons lol
They aren't warcrimes if you win - Noxus
Kill them until they are family
fr fr
queen laurel
ignoring the fact she's also mass producing drugs, and weapons lol
Average Rogue trader business
arctic talon
lol
I love Noxus, literal murder for political and social gain isn't illegal, getting caught doing it or being worse then the person you replaced is what's illegal lol
vast crystal
I think if you put a gun to my head and told me to choose a chaos god to worship. I'd choose Nurgle
arctic talon
I think I'd just khorne because then at least I might be too dumb to care anymore
Nurlge is eternal suffering and apathy
queen laurel
khorne is the least complicated and least painful because of it's simplicity
queen laurel
You will become basically a rabid animal but if you die at least you wouldn't feel much of it
celest dome
I wouldn't want to be an Exanguinated at the very least
arctic talon
the only chaos god who's worshipers don't semi regularly partake in cannibalism is fucking tzeentch lol
pretty funny
celest dome
Of Khorne's servants, that must be the worst fate
Being flayed into a puddle of blood, then being reanimated to serve your torturers
arctic talon
I do find it funny Khorne and Slaanesh both have a big cannibalism angle going on
celest dome
Do Nurglite have it ?
celest dome
Wouldn't find it strange for Tzeentchian to eat brains
arctic talon
def not
rose thorn
Hey who was that Amelia Earhart character again?
She had a few short stories and a book
crystal forum
Hey who was that Amelia Earhart character again?
the militarum one?
rose thorn
Yeah
crystal forum
lemme get it
rose thorn
Yea
storm jungle
she so pretty, is her book good?
storm jungle
The book is Good™️
it gives a good look into the imperial propaganda machine too
shes the second main character while you follow around a propaganda-filmist
they got a lot of good scenes together
rose thorn
If I like it I might theme my guard kill team around that ace fighter style
queen laurel
Get Runted
crystal forum
my internet is slow
rose thorn
The book is Good™️
Yay
I forgot the insert off brand Latin existed
The uh
Fighter pilot thing
storm jungle
Aeronautica?
rose thorn
Yeah
storm jungle
yeeee
rose thorn
W- what do they even do
storm jungle
Literally just a branch of the navy that does the dogfighting stuff
rose thorn
Lmao
rose thorn
At least it’s a branch of the imperial navy and not some kind of insane separate thing that does literally nothing for the lore
crystal forum
they're the non space part of flying stuff
typically their planes can also be used in space though
crystal forum
it's pretty funny that they're part of the navy
astra militarum and navy personel hate eachother
storm jungle
just like real life
spring cairn
they think all the navy is just officers who shoot things from orbit and laugh all day
spring cairn
the officers sure do
crystal forum
navy personel will spend their entire lives on ships
spring cairn
but knowing what's going on in the average imperial ship
storm jungle
I mean thats not the navy's job
their job is to do their main task
aka provide support with their BIG SHIPS
celest dome
Doesn't Necromunda have giant water spiders and ships that hunt them ?
celest dome
Necromunda my beloved 
spring cairn
that's why i appreciate the Incron fluff in dt
celest dome
Incron ?
spring cairn
it's the waterworld the 21st got famous fighting on
storm jungle
yeah ocean-stuff in 40k is like
"theres an ocean here"
"..."
"anyway"
which is very surprising lol
storm jungle
celest dome
Don't change DT fans, don't change 
river walrus
Okay!
tough haven
Is there a proper way to remove a ineffective or corrupt fabricator general from a forge world, beyond simply killing them?
arctic talon
Is there a proper way to remove a ineffective or corrupt fabricator general from...
The answer is to kill them
tough haven
But won’t you just kinda be killed for that?
tough haven
What if they have political majority?
arctic talon
What if they have political majority?
Then you can’t do shit
tough haven
Sounds about right
arctic talon
If it’s a slaved forgeworld you can beg your parent forgeworld
If it’s an independent one you can ask mars and probably be ignored
gray umbra
Wait for their forgeworld to be corrupted by chaos
Then kill them
And everyone else
tough haven
Then you can’t do shit
Couldn’t you leave?
storm jungle
That depends
arctic talon
Couldn’t you leave?
Well maybe? What rank are you
If you’re below a magos you’re bound to whoever your master is lol
storm jungle
Does the fabricator also know you are aware of what he or she is doing?
arctic talon
Also that
storm jungle
yeah like
my boeing joke is literally this
if you try to whistleblow you are dying
lmao
arctic talon
Cawl? Archmagos
crisp heath
He says very funny things lol
crisp heath
But he just can cause he’s that guy
arctic talon
Tech priests regularly murder each other over political and religious dogma lol
Cawl is no different
storm jungle
Cawl has a proper excuse to an extent but like im half-sure the Emperor's time-travel message to him was only regarding the Primaris
not sure if it was any other future development
storm jungle
yeah his current plan is to close the Rift using necron tech
arctic talon
He’s collecting necron stuff like there’s no tomorrow lol
arctic talon
yeah his current plan is to close the Rift using necron tech
Before guilliman screamed at him to go deal with the pariah nexus aura
Lol
storm jungle
arctic talon
Which he spends all of crusade pariah nexus trying to do
storm jungle
also yeah hes such a huge political figure in the admech that he has started garnering both loyalists/hater elements to himself
arctic talon
I do find it hilarious almost half the mechanicus forces sent to the pariah nexus with Cawl hate Cawl
Truly a mechanicus moment
storm jungle
well they ARE on the same side so
arctic talon
Also the fact that almost all cohesion broke down and they became more concerned with achieving their own goals
And stealing everything that wasn’t nailed down
storm jungle
yeah like considering the actual size of the Nexus zone people fucking off to do their own stuff wasnt that unexpected
especially since the operational parameters is literally "Oi go do your own thing just destroy those pylons"
"Minus you people who should collect it for ME"
Bro thinks hes Dr Doom 💀
arctic talon
He does
Ignore the fact that cohesion in the mechanicus breaking down let vashtor tear a new asshole in reality via mechanicus super weapon
storm jungle
Im very glad the writers remember to make the Imperium incompetent
always scares me when everyone thinks these guys are suppose to be heroes here to save the day 💀
arctic talon
Im very glad the writers remember to make the Imperium incompetent
Mfw the mechanicus started stealing space marine war material
gray umbra
Wdym the imperium are the good guys
storm jungle
God it reminds me when people were outraged over uh
the people who recieved a ultra-secret custodian transmission getting servitorized to hide the credentials afterwards
"wtf that is so wasteful and dumb"
💀
arctic talon
That seems about right lol
gray umbra
Theres a lot of things fans get mad about
storm jungle
Theres a lot of things fans get mad about
Its like going "Amazon not treating their workers properly is unrealistic!"
gray umbra
Lol i remember when the grey knights slaughtered a bunch of sisters of battle
What was it for again?
Warding rituals or something?
storm jungle
Yeah but THAT was understandable
with that it legit made no sense lmfao
it was also at a time when the Sisters were also treated like shit in every edition so it was a hard jab
gray umbra
I think it was understandable but i think that was also when matt ward had this weird murderfetish for sob
I actually dont remember if that last part was actually true or a fan meme
storm jungle
it wasnt murderfetish it was uh
Ward said himself it was his weak attempt to make the GK seem like assholes
hes an extremely nice person IRL lmao
gray umbra
Probably some weird 4chan theory i saw then
storm jungle
Yeah that event was extremely infamous everyone talked about it
Ward got shit on hard for his ultramarine wank when he basically just did what the studio told him since they write his paychecks
his harrassment was so bad GW stopped crediting writers in codexes afterwards
gray umbra
Disappearing the regs who fought with you is pretty assholish anyway(in context of gks)
dusk patrol
It also was supposed to be the Ultramarine codex
It got changed to just be the space marine one at the last minute
storm jungle
Yeah it was simply just bad mismanagement, he of course was the chosen meatshield.
He still gets hate-mail to this day which sucks lol
storm jungle
Disappearing the regs who fought with you is pretty assholish anyway(in context ...
And yeah the fitting thing would be to just mindwipe the Sisters
which is the chosen current lore method
arctic talon
The GKs don’t even always do the kill witnesses thing anymore
arctic talon
Mf’er the great rift opened
storm jungle
Now it has become
Do they kill witnesses post rift?
Depends on author
storm jungle
in Charadon campaign they uh
storm jungle
mindwipe entire clades/sisters/chapters of astartes
the guard uh yeah LOL
short straw
arctic talon
Shortest straw
crisp heath
Are there chaos sisters of battle?
dusk patrol
It’s always depended on the severity of the encounter
arctic talon
Are there chaos sisters of battle?
Yes
dusk patrol
Are there chaos sisters of battle?
Yes
arctic talon
Rare
crisp heath
Cringe
arctic talon
But they exist
gray umbra
Theres slaanesh sob
arctic talon
No lore havin ass
storm jungle
love that comic 
storm jungle
shes literally just token chaos sister yeah
i wont be surprised if she appears again though
literal He-Man villain
dusk patrol
There’s implied to be others but yeah she’s the main one
I don’t really count the Murdercurse stuff
storm jungle
Yeah the current 8th edition-age lore was any existence of them is instantly covered up/burnt
dusk patrol
It’s not common for obvious reasons, they tend to kill them pretty damn fast and they’re selecting against it
storm jungle
tho this also comes from the mouth of a corrupted Sister
but she also has like no reason to lie
since shes abotu to die
lmao
arctic talon
Nvm she got lore in 8e lmao
storm jungle
LOL
storm jungle
And yeah like i wont be surprised if they also dont mention them a lot for marketing reasons or some shit too.
or just well no point in ever mentioning them too
storm jungle
REAL.
paper haven
Isn't there a specific implant that allows people to recieve and pass on information without ever being aware of it?
arctic talon
Isn't there a specific implant that allows people to recieve and pass on informa...
Yes
storm jungle
theres an implant for everything
arctic talon
Lol
storm jungle
like
arctic talon
The offico assasinorum has a funny one for astropaths
storm jungle
the thing with 40k being fantasy-sci-fi is virtually any kind of mcguffin can exist
lol
its basically down to "is the author gonna write it in or not"
arctic talon
Assasinorum kingmaker sequel when
paper haven
This implant allows you to read minds.
storm jungle
Yep, just write some shit like
arctic talon
This implant allows you to read minds.
You just use a Psyker for that
paper haven
Psykers invalid
arctic talon
Tbh
storm jungle
"Oh I got it through special psychoactive-gene-surgery!"
author: yes thats enough nonsense words to make sense!
paper haven
Ah yes, science words/
arctic talon
Peak fiction
paper haven
"Why don't poisons work on the tyrannids?"
"Because they evolve to resist it."
"Without losing something in exchange?"
arctic talon
Yes
storm jungle
YEP
arctic talon
arctic talon
That is how nids work
paper haven
Ok but chemistry is very clear on what things do when mixed with other things
gray umbra
Listen
gray umbra
👏biomass👏
arctic talon
I prefer when authors don’t try justifying things with science
storm jungle
also TO BE FAIR
arctic talon
Lol
storm jungle
with like literal aliens
theres a lot of things even IRL out in space that defy science
storm jungle
Yeah and 40k rarely tends to actually acknowledge this
arctic talon
Do not eat a tyranid
storm jungle
like uh, saying the boneswords of the Swarmlord are made of an material that doesnt exist in the milky way
etc
paper haven
Yeah acidic blood.
arctic talon
It’s not acidic
gray umbra
I hear they are high in minerals
paper haven
What happens when you mix an acid and water again?
storm jungle
If you add water to acid, you form an extremely concentrated solution of acid initially and the solution may boil very violently, splashing concentrated acid. If you add acid to water, the solution that forms is very dilute and the small amount of heat released is not enough to vaporize and spatter it. None.
paper haven
Weapons that are parts of their bodies
arctic talon
The gun it uses has acidic blood
arctic talon
Weapons that are parts of their bodies
They’re seperate organisms
storm jungle
they are a part of them but they are their own tyranid creatures
its like the shock roach from Opposing Force
an old reference for any nerds in here
paper haven
Ehhhh fine
arctic talon
If a nid weapon is connected to the mind of another nid it’s usually psychically
Or rarely sharing a connected brain
In the case of the tyranofex
Which means shooting the bug in the head doesn’t work
You need to kill the gun
💀
paper haven
I just want to read a story where a tyrannid invasion is completely foiled by water being present
paper haven
They drink everything
storm jungle
theres one story where they turn an entire ocean into uh
the melty-goo they put biomass into
💀
paper haven
But it would showcase how hyper evolution can have drawbacks instead of being an instant immunity button
storm jungle
okay but like
arctic talon
They’ve done that before
storm jungle
you expect 40k writers to be smart
arctic talon
In codexes
storm jungle
also that
paper haven
you expect 40k writers to be smart
Fair point
storm jungle
yeah this is the curse of a setting with this many needless writers
arctic talon
Codexes hold a lot of why don’t x faction do y
Because it happens
In a codex blurb
From@ like 5e or some shit
paper haven
Which are often made non-canon by later editions
storm jungle
Not quite
40k ever RARELY retcons lore to be non-canon
it has done this like 4-5 times in its 30+ year history
arctic talon
Which are often made non-canon by later editions
Very rarely
paper haven
Granted I've only ever heard people complain about codexes, and never read one myself. It didn't sound like an enjoyable experience
arctic talon
The actual retcons post 3e are the necron rewrite, Tau ftl lore(hell), leagues of votaan and female custodes
paper haven
Oh its extremely fun
Huh
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
Chock full of lore
paper haven
Alright, I'll take your word for it
arctic talon
The only codex’s I’ll complain about for lack of quantity of lore are the 10e ones
storm jungle
Basically as a guide
- 3rd edition to 8th are some of the best codex runs in 40k
- Tons of lore, tons of brand new artwork
- 9th to 10th (the edition we are at know) is where it started getting bad.
Basically almost no new brand lore even tho we are going through a lot of events.
And no new artwork lol
almost all tabletop rules
arctic talon
9th codexes were acceptable
They had codex excerpts and blurbs
10e sucks lol
You get 3 short stories and a basic primer to the faction
That’s it
arctic talon
Vraks is codex lore
For example lol
Or I guess imperial armor
But imperial armor is a forgeworld codex lol
With more lore and more rules
paper haven
Really? I thought Vraks was it's own book series
arctic talon
And costs more
paper haven
Guess that explains why I could never find it.
arctic talon
Really? I thought Vraks was it's own book series
It’s a 3 parter of imperial armor
Quite good
Largest imperial armor “line” ever
paper haven
I hear people talking about it while I'm looking around like "Where the fuck are they getting this from?"
arctic talon
Only one similar was the eldar and guard one I forgot that had 2 books
Yeah
Codex’s hold a ton of lore
Rule books in general
The crusade rule books in 10e thankfully
Are still full of lore
It’s like a 60/40 on lore to rules
paper haven
I haven't really gotten to 10e yet. Primaris marines are still a bit hazy to me.
paper haven
... Hm
arctic talon
How time flies
storm jungle
I hear people talking about it while I'm looking around like "Where the fuck are...
Imperial Armor was basically a series of rulebooks with a fuck ton of lore made in the mid 2000's, focusing on small scale wars that mattered nothing to the larger setting as experimental lore pieces and unique model pitches from Forgeworld.
Once the main writer/coordinator Alan Bligh died they basically fell off and become a bigger legacy portion of 40k.
Vraks is THE most popular one since as Wolf said it had 3 rulebooks dedicated to it and was the big commercial intro of Krieg
arctic talon
We never got the final imperial armor smh
storm jungle
😔
arctic talon
Feels bad
storm jungle
ıf you wanna read it for free the fucking wiki fans copy pasted it all from the books
arctic talon
Lol
arctic talon
Me when 3 fucking codexes worth of lore
storm jungle
^
It deffo drags a bit
its not masterpiece of writing but you'll feel like reading a WW2 battle that you lose interest in the more your read it lol
arctic talon
Me reading the 8th time the dkok forces try passing no man’s land
Before getting slaughtered to a man
storm jungle
💀
storm jungle
But yeah Imperial Armor is loved because its one of the almost only realistic approaches/analysis of how the Imperial Guard wages war while dealing with outside factors.
storm jungle
My favorite forgeworld imperial armor is still the nid one
Anphelion Prpoject?
arctic talon
Yeah
storm jungle
I do love how like
arctic talon
Anphelion project
arctic talon
That’s what makes it fun
oh they won at the end of the book and it ends with another fucking bio titan starts walking over
storm jungle
yeah its great because it literally is just a side-story, 40k really could use more Mandalorian TV show-esque narratives but it just doesnt
always gotta be about the next MCU threat
arctic talon
Yeah all the warzone campaign and crusade books
Are about huge events lol
For better or for worse
storm jungle
Yeah my problem with Warzone/Crusade is like
its fine?
but its just way too general
arctic talon
Not niche enough
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
Let me hear about the 82nd something regiment dying on some shithole of a world
Over like
12 baneblade
storm jungle
like im reading Crusade: Tyrannic War covering the 4th War, and the summoning of the entire armadas that make up the Solblades to fight the Nids on Pacificus is covered in like a single paragraph
meanwhile
Taros Campaign
2 pages of how fucking awful it is to get a battallion
arctic talon
Doom of mymera having a 2 page spread on eldar finding a Phoenix lords armor lol
Imperial armor was nice for how generally mundane or somewhat low stakes it was
paper haven
Well I already know most of what happens on Vraks, mostly from different wikis and a youtube video or two
storm jungle
Yeah its kinda down to "how detailed do you want to know about it"
paper haven
I'll check it out, not doing much else today
wraith quartz
Hey, it's me again "loyal servant" hz44-gm86. I forgot one more thing about hive cities.
snow fern
Man, if Owlcat did not spoil it, I never woulda figured out Marzapan is a companion.
Guy is an unsufferable tortuous prick that even almost shatters an aeldari’s soulstone through his level of gaslighting, then only joins your retinue on a whim. Absolutely, would not have figured it out otherwise
wraith quartz
Sorry was slaying "heretics" (playing videogames). So in general living in a hive city fucking sucks and you could just die by breathing the wrong way. So given that you might kick the bucket and someone has given a thought to leave your body with some decency. Are there like funeral rites or burials in the hive city? Like a graveyard or a mausoleum.
gray umbra
Well you see it would be a waste for your body to go to waste
The hive needs to eat somehow
wraith quartz
Ok, but in regards to not becoming corpse starch.
gray umbra
There are funerary rites, not specifically on tertium but they exist
For the lower class i assume its either mass graves or incineration
Theres definitely a few worlds where life is semi comparable
Im sure if youre wealthy or of a noble house they have mausoleums dedicated to their forefathers
Not outside of possibility if youre rich or influential enough imo
green loom
Sorry was slaying "*heretics*" (*playing videogames*). So in general living in a...
If you're lucky, you get cremated
If not
Processed
sacred ginkgo
open fulcrum
storm jungle
you gotta be a pretty bad ork to get this treatment smh
arctic talon
Sorry was slaying "*heretics*" (*playing videogames*). So in general living in a...
cremation, getting eaten, left to rot.
crystal forum
anyone here cultured enough to know what im making
queen laurel
anyone here cultured enough to know what im making
a cod ray gun?
outer wave
Ray gun from Black Ops Zombies
outer wave
Nice
outer wave
Finally, zombies mod for Darktide...
crystal forum
although...
i feel like i could add some LED lights to it and a speaker to make it do ray gun noises
fuck i could make a laspistol
young pecan
Finally, zombies mod for Darktide...
Man I wish we would get a survival mode kind of like in L4D2 or Modern Warfare
snow fern
But you'd be subject to the infinite debate of what a lasgun is supposed to sound like
outer wave
Man I wish we would get a survival mode kind of like in L4D2 or Modern Warfare
Could be fun
bold wren
you gotta be a pretty bad ork to get this treatment smh
You mean being a grot.
tough haven
Man, if Owlcat did not spoil it, I never woulda figured out Marzapan is a compan...
Least capricious drukhari
crystal forum
But you'd be subject to the infinite debate of what a lasgun is supposed to soun...
i'd make the sound myself
pew pew pew
snow fern
Cursed Halo is the only lore accurate lasgun
bold wren
Gauss weapons when
We have plasma when do we get gauss?
Gauss weapons are quite primitive so humanity making them isn't crazy with the capacity the Ad Mech has.
tough haven
i'd make the sound myself
I think darktide does a good lasgun sound
Nice and meaty but tinny enough to remind you it’s pretty much a flashlight
bold wren
It sounds like a regular laser gun.
tough haven
Gauss weapons when
I think the imperium tried that and uh, it didn’t go well
Also that would be innovation
Which is heresy of the highest order
bold wren
I thought they really only banned AI.
And xenos tech.
As if humanity finds golden age gauss rifles then maybe.
What if bolter shotguns are apart of ancient humanity and why the Votann have them.
crystal forum
shoot this person
bold wren
As humanity once had the capacity to make such technologies in the past and probably have.
hallow basin
shoot this person
bold wren
Shotguns are the most human thing I think we could make in 40k.
Yeah bolt shotguns are canon if you play space marine.
Space Marines use them.
hallow basin
The problem with progress in the Imperium is that a lot of higher-ups in the Adeptus Mechanicus are backwards nutjobs
hallow basin
Of course
crystal forum
shotguns in 40k look like ass
arctic talon
The Adeptus mechanicus is like a 60/40 split
crystal forum
and i usually enjoy ass
bold wren
You aren't looking at the right shotguns
arctic talon
On conservatism and liberalism
The only faction with literal bolt shotguns
Are votaan
And I’m not sure how the fuck that works
bold wren
Humanity having shotguns makes total sense.
arctic talon
They’re good for hunting still
bold wren
Bolt shotguns aren't that hard to make you just make a 4 gauge.
arctic talon
Prolly why STC’s made them
arctic talon
Bolt shotguns aren't that hard to make you just make a 4 gauge.
Bolts are gyrojets
bold wren
Have you seen the shotguns Russians make?
bold wren
It would be fucking cool.
arctic talon
anyways point being bolt shotguns are weird
arctic talon
bold wren
Bolt Shotguns looking pretty cool.
arctic talon
Votaan look cool
I just don’t love their gun lore
They don’t really have anything that screams leagues of votaan gun wise
bold wren
You are missing out on cool weapons like a stronger shotgun.
crystal forum
they just have a lot of bolters for some reason
bold wren
Stronger shotgun equals more blasting power.
We have bolt pistols what is the issue with bolt shotguns.
crystal forum
like i dont know who decided that everybody in the dark age used bolters
bold wren
They're primitive weapons in nature.
Let's be honest here.
They're ballistic weapons that explode.
crystal forum
and yet the motherfucking malcador tank is stated on the store page to be from the age of strife so fuck me
everybody in the dark age used WW1 tech i guess
arctic talon
It’s a show piece
Smh
Also votaan using bolters is weird since the lore on them still says big e invented them
bold wren
They're using Doctor Who logic.
arctic talon
Please fucking clarify next codex
For votaan
Just say bolters are an STC
Problem fucking solved
crystal forum
you just know the guy who made the votaan concept art had a hard on for bolters
bold wren
Or bolter shotguns are ancient human tech.
arctic talon
Anyways
crystal forum
like that author everybody hates who loved multi las
bold wren
Quite literally just say shotgun bolters are golden age tech and it would be cool.
bold wren
Votann next
queen laurel
Please fucking clarify next codex
they still don't even have their socalled novel
bold wren
We have space elves, and orks.
arctic talon
Votann next
Votaan we know have ftl, they just have almost no lore
I’m more annoyed GW flipflopped on the whole tau ftl thing for so long
bold wren
Give them more lore I want more shotgun variants.
queen laurel
**Thrope**
well shit
arctic talon
I’m sure the world building will be great
queen laurel
the Neuro thrope is at it again
arctic talon
However suffering builds character
And Therfore their guns will do almost nothing
And they will horrifically lose
crystal forum
the beatings will continue until morale improves
tough haven
GW has decided Tau have ftl
I thought they had near FTL
bold wren
The bolt shotgun looks more like a revolver
tough haven
Votaan we know have ftl, they just have almost no lore
Is it through the warp?
arctic talon
I thought they had near FTL
That was a retcon in 5e
tough haven
Btw this line goes hard
arctic talon
Is it through the warp?
Yes
tough haven
arctic talon
And then GW retconned tau ftl back into existence in 9e
Thank god
Tau not having ftl was stupid
The kroot had it
tough haven
But how do they FTL when they don’t understand the warp in any capacity
arctic talon
Skimming the warp
tough haven
Like necrons I get
arctic talon
It’s just the old pre 5e lore
For tau ftl
Also the new funny Tau warp drive is a thing
Ignore the hole it tore in reality
The ethereals say it’ll get better
tough haven
I guess they don’t need gellar fields, they barely have impact in the immaterium, as long as they just make shallow skims
crystal forum
ethereals say it's ok so it must be good
arctic talon
They don’t go into the warp proper
So they don’t need a gellar field
They absolutely need one going into the actual warp
As the 4th sphere of expansion found out
tough haven
Like where’s all the lore people get from codexes, like I have the new Ork codex and there’s no lore
arctic talon
Like where’s all the lore people get from codexes, like I have the new Ork codex...
10e codexes suck
crystal forum
imagine what tau would give to have 1 single navigator
arctic talon
For lore
queen laurel
The ethereals say it’ll get better
This is the only ethereal that I trust
arctic talon
This is the only ethereal that I trust
Yeah because he isn’t a fuckin pussy
tough haven
This is the only ethereal that I trust
Who’s that again, I forget his name
crystal forum
This is the only ethereal that I trust
but he kill greenskin
queen laurel
Who’s that again, I forget his name
Aun'shi
tough haven
imagine what tau would give to have 1 single navigator
Why haven’t they tried to take one yet lol
queen laurel
or Aunshi
arctic talon
Why haven’t they tried to take one yet lol
Prolly don’t know about it
bold wren
Retconning things because they don't sell is lame.
tough haven
The ethereals say it’ll get better
Just the imperium of a different flavor
bold wren
Not always.
arctic talon
Other then tau ftl being retconned from existance
arctic talon
Idk
bold wren
Older Eldar had better designs.
arctic talon
I’m fine with that
queen laurel
Does he have a book?
he has a shortstory
crystal forum
custard
arctic talon
Older Eldar had better designs.
That isn’t a retcon
crystal forum
they retconned custard
arctic talon
That’s just a visual design change for minis and art
bold wren
The designs were more grimdark like sewn together orks was cool.
arctic talon
A retcon is like Necrons
Lol
Necrons got retconned so hard
From their 3e iteration
Which also led to eldar and ork lore retcons
snow fern
Terminators to Terminators but the leaders are space egyptians
bold wren
Orks being Frankensteins is honestly pretty cool.
crystal forum
better than them being SS
bold wren
As least some of them when they lost body parts.
arctic talon
That’s fair
If anyone says modern 40K art isn’t grimdark I’m drowning them in modern codex art from 9e and 10e
This shit goes hard as hell
crystal forum
darkest dungeon vibes
bold wren
Because they made orks more cartoonish and it's overdone.
crystal forum
loathsome dung eater
arctic talon
The minis were always cartoonish imo
bold wren
I am tired of cartoonish orks.
arctic talon
They look pretty scary in codex art imo
queen laurel
The minis were always cartoonish imo
Orks more often than not are just kind of there to make people laugh in the setting something more lighthearted even though they are utterly terrifying because of that concept
Like to them it's funny but to other people it's one of the worst things they can go through
bold wren
Well not entirely some orks aren't joking.
arctic talon
arctic talon
Harlequins are cool
tough haven
he has a shortstory
What’s it called
tough haven
Elf Clowns
And their fucking cool
arctic talon
Aun’shi is mostly codex lore
bold wren
Orks are cool too and they might be a joke but they are quite resilient and only get stronger the harder you hit them.
arctic talon
Also the farsight enclaves got retconned as well ig back in 6e
tough haven
I’m an avid Ork lover
arctic talon
From being tau supremacists
bold wren
Unlike the Eldar who only get weaker.
crystal forum
as a valhallan i hate orks
tough haven
I want more enclave stuff
arctic talon
But orks
bold wren
Tyranids existing
tough haven
Not necessarily farsight himself, just about the enclaves
arctic talon
I don’t think any species gets stronger when you shoot them
Tyranids adapt
Orks literally get stronger
If you don’t kill the same ork
crystal forum
I don’t think any species gets stronger when you shoot them
i get harder if you hit me
arctic talon
i get harder if you hit me
bold wren
Adaption is about the same thing.
tough haven
Tyranids when I hit them with my fucking random strategy wheel so they can’t adapt
crystal forum
wrong thing?
arctic talon
Idk
tough haven
Adaption is about the same thing.
Kill them all so they cannot pass on the adaptation
queen laurel
i think most people genuinely don't know that Eldar have better biological traits than humans
bold wren
Tyranids who learn to be strategic as a adaption.
queen laurel
people just kind of forget the fact
paper haven
The Eldar had their chance.
bold wren
You don't need emotions to kill.
tough haven
Tyranids when I hit them with my fucking random strategy wheel so they can’t ada...
Can’t predict my strategy if I can’t predict my strategy
arctic talon
They let you use the warp better smh
arctic talon
The Eldar had their chance.
They did, the craftworld eldar are paying for the sins of people who aren’t even their ancestors lol
The drukhari
Can burn
bold wren
All the Eldar and Drukhari can burn the same.
arctic talon
The drukhari absolutely deserve all the suffering they get
bold wren
All knife ears can die.
arctic talon
Craftworld eldar didn’t do anything to cause the fall
They’re blameless imo
It’s like saying it’s all of humanities fault for csm lol
bold wren
Still knife ears they being xenos.
arctic talon
I’m not in larp mode smh
paper haven
It’s like saying it’s all of humanities fault for csm lol
Kinda feels like most other species do though
arctic talon
The csm are entirely the fault of whichever legion they fell as a part of and those who caused it
paper haven
Eldar in particular, which is pretty hilarious
arctic talon
Kinda feels like most other species do though
Not really?
arctic talon
Eldar in particular, which is pretty hilarious
Also not really?
Craftworld Eldar usually don’t interact with normal humans even in combat
They’re usually killing chaos/orks/Necrons/drukhari ironically
Csm are just seen as an unfortunate part of human history by most craftworlds
bold wren
Exodites are cool.
arctic talon
Unless it’s Beil’tan
In which that case yeah
The racist ones absolutely consider it all of humanities fault lol
arctic talon
Exodites and craftworld eldar both tried to prevent the fall lol
paper haven
Unless it’s Beil’tan
To be fair, Beil'tan account for most of my Eldar information
arctic talon
And both failed miserably
arctic talon
To be fair, Beil'tan account for most of my Eldar information
Okay yeah that’s fair they were poster children till 6e
bold wren
Necrons especially shows be blamed the most.
arctic talon
Killing the old ones
bold wren
Magnus didn't do anything wrong.
arctic talon
And just killing a ton of people in general
bold wren
The necrons started it.
paper haven
Magnus didn't do anything wrong.
Magnus fucked up worse than Horus
bold wren
The necrons made the warp.
bold wren
So who is really to blame.
paper haven
Erebus.
arctic talon
Realistically magnus deserves the blame for his own actions
The same way I can say the craftworld eldar are hypocrites often
bold wren
Magnus didn't make the warp worse like the Drukhari making slaneesh.
paper haven
If Magnus had just listened, the Heresy wouldn't have been nearly as bad.
tough haven
But plot
paper haven
But plot
arctic talon
If Magnus had just listened, the Heresy wouldn't have been nearly as bad.
Magnus single handidly making Nikea worse for pro psyker groups
Very poggers magnus
bold wren
Psykers are cool.
arctic talon
They are
tough haven
All abhumans are
paper haven
Bro went to his trial and called everyone there ignorant as his defense.
tough haven
Baseline humanity is boring
arctic talon
Bro went to his trial and called everyone there ignorant as his defense.
He also said they should be allowed unlimited access to knowledge on the warp
tough haven
Bro was just fucking ranting
arctic talon
Which the BA, WS, WB and UM didn’t say
tough haven
You gotta build up to knowledge of the warp
paper haven
"Hey Magnus, some of this warp stuff is pretty freaky. Maybe you should cool it."
"We can master the fullest depths of the warp if you'd stop being a little bitch about it."
tough haven
Just like how if you were living in Plato’s cave, you wouldn’t just get tossed out into the sun
paper haven
I'm surprised the outcome of Nikea was even in question.
arctic talon
Magnus torpedoing every pro psykers argument was hilarious
And horrid at the same time
tough haven
Psykers when people are like “maybe psykers aren’t so bad”
arctic talon
Mfw the BA,WS, WB and UM almost convince them it’s fine
tough haven
arctic talon
In comes magnus with the steel chair
bold wren
Baseline humanity is boring until you become Yarrick.
paper haven
WITH THE STEEL CHAIR
bold wren
Yarrick is a legend for a reason.
paper haven
Lemon Russ and Mortarian on the sidelines narrating Nikea like it's a wrestling match.
le-MAN.
bold wren
More like The Man Russ
paper haven
Agrue that Psykers need to be abolished
Still uses psykers
Somehow right both times
paper haven
Not really
paper haven
Yeah and he understands temperance.
bold wren
Most of the inquisitors are probably psykers.
And they usually are just more advanced sanctioned psykers.
paper haven
If Magnus had just shut up and eased off the gas, things would have been fine
bold wren
He should have just left the web way alone.
bold wren
I will latch a anti-psychic collar on his neck.
And call the sisters of silence to shut him up.
Khorne does it all the time loves his anti-psyker armor.
Man I hate the nazis but snow piercer trains are based off and it would be a cool 40k concept.
I mean I won't give anymore good things about that as we stole many of their designs and actually made them viable.
paper haven
Huh?
bold wren
Okay we stole a plane design from them America did and actually made it viable.
Which is now what was the B2.
And planes like that being in 40k are doubtful and would probably be more reasonable to see a spitfire.
Or at least aircraft similar to such a craft.
Hawker Hurricanes are probably more reasonable even.
paper haven
If I recall, there was a book series entirely about 40k fighter planes that had something like the B2 as one of the larger bomber types.
bold wren
Valkyries do exist.
bold wren
It depends of the variant.
As some Valkyries were great at dogfighting.
And far more mobile then your regular Valkyries. I recall the Elysians use the variant, but I forgot the name.
celest dome
If I recall, there was a book series entirely about 40k fighter planes that had ...
Marauder
paper haven
Hey, nice
bold wren
Warhammer 40k trains are pretty cool.
Trains are something I have always been interested in, but they remind me much of snow piercer.
In 40k.
bold wren
I found a architecture channels that covers hivecities from a knowledge of buildings. It's interesting having a outside take.
They're not a 40k channel but they have a good sense of how buildings work, and its interesting.
snow fern
I’m curious how a hive city would not crush itself under all that weight
Especially since the lower in the city you go, the less the foundation is maintained
bold wren
It collapses constantly and is parasitic in nature so they have hive quakes and blocks fall apart and crush people.
celest dome
Realistically there wouldn't really be possible, but Hive Cities are built like trees, with a hard core and levels being built from them
snow fern
Sure isolated events but I mean a larger scale catastrophe
bold wren
They're building stacked ontop of each other and hive quakes are common, and entire blocks collapse on one another.
snow fern
Enough metal and marble to reach upper atmosphere? I’m no civil engineer, but I’m not betting on that one.
bold wren
So they're rather quite unstable in nature, and if you see in darktide some parts of it are falling apart and beyond repair.
celest dome
See the pillar in the middle, there are more than 1 usually and serve as central hub (elevators, energy movement) and are what hold the Hive itself
bold wren
They hold it up but the hivecities collapse and sectors of it fall off, and it's barely being held up.
celest dome
Sure, but that's mostly the lower hive, those that are Higher are safer
bold wren
You would think the top would be less safe.
As if the foundation collapses the building is screwed.
celest dome
Sure, but it's more maintained
bold wren
The foundation is rather important to keeping the building stable, and it's as stable as the leaning tower of piza.
celest dome
Except the foundation usually don't break, it's the things people have hung on the foundation that do
Like Torrent for example, it doesn't hold the higher levels
bold wren
They appear barely being held together.
snow fern
I mean, I’m not gonna try to think on it too hard. But a chain is only as strong as it’s weakest link applies to support as well. The shining peak will make for a spectacular fall, as the rotten foundation collapses
celest dome
But there are arches, pillars and other marvels of engineering made to hold the higher levels that were build prior to the Imperium's creation
celest dome
They've become parasitic since the Dark Age, but before that Hive Cities were supposed to be very good living spaces
Before the decay of their maintenances
snow fern
I’m not gonna think on it too hard anymore.
I’m only here to complain about Primarch names and how awful the Drukhari are for no reason
bold wren
Architects vs Engineers is very different. Architects barely understand the implications of the building, but engineers build the thing.
snow fern
How much solid info do we have on the Dark Age of Technology?
celest dome
Interior Architects >< Industrial Architects
bold wren
It seems ideal from the architects but when built sometimes it can just be a engineering nightmare.
celest dome
All should be there https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Dark_Age_of_Technology
bold wren
AI drove the cities to being how they are even more so.
celest dome
It seems ideal from the architects but when built sometimes it can just be a eng...
That is usually due to logistical problems and not technical
Like architects not planning space for aeroducts and such 
snow fern
Logistics is king
bold wren
Survival is why hivecities are so bad, being crowded together too. And the just the societal collapse and the underhive collapsing on itself with potential muties ready to rip you apart.
snow fern
I imagine the open negligence of the aristocracy and enclosed spaces being breeding grounds for plague don’t help
bold wren
Not even the suffocating smoke, and pollutants that fill the air that choke you.
snow fern
That or the 8 day 25 hour work weeks
bold wren
And yes people in the underhive often starve and get irradiated.
The machines produce deadly amounts of radiation, and some lack proper protective gear.
snow fern
Forge Worlds are probably even worse than hive cities
bold wren
It's so cramped as people are crowded together like cattle, why disease is so common too. But also the survival instinct makes the humans down their feral, and completely lawless.
So even guardsmen aren't safe down there as feral people, and mutants roam the underhive.
Not heretics, but just people trying to survive which drives those people to extremes.
snow fern
Admech seem to be completely disconnected from the idea that humans need things to survive. Like sleep or working in temperatures below 200 degrees
bold wren
Heat exhaustion.
queen laurel
LAWYERUP
snow fern
A real killer. Truly insane how much people ignore their body during the summer
Especially athletes
bold wren
Humans who are starving and sweating like crazy would probably be crazy.
I can see why the underhive is feral, and lawless.
I don't doubt they go fallout logic, and are like sometimes a fella has to eat a fella.
snow fern
I imagine they got some brittle bones though, unless they’re getting that Vitamin D though some esoteric sci fi means
bold wren
I am doubtful.
They lack any sunlight, and are pale sensitive too light probably too. And the sun is important to even getting calcium as vitamin d is important to even processing the calcium.
So without the sun and proper vitamin d you probably will not be able to process such so brittle bones.
snow fern
Something tells me the amount of death that occurs in 40k is somehow higher than the authors understand it to be
bold wren
It would be common that people would go crazy with vitamin deficiencies, and yes some mental illnesses are caused from lack of vitamins.
snow fern
Hard to eat when your teeth are falling out from scurvy
Yah. People now a days neglect their b12 intake
Which is insane. Eat your vitamins kids
bold wren
Survival is a desperate thing, and doing anything like eating someone. Morality goes down the drain.
snow fern
Barbarism
bold wren
And people who are surviving take more then usual, and so it's just a conflict more for who eats or not.
Lack of proper resources, food shortages, and murder often happens either to eat someone, or take whatever food they have.
snow fern
And the high risk of prion disease from the large amounts of cannibalism
I wonder if a nutritionist read 40k if they’d go mad
bold wren
But it's desperate so people have to eat some how, so moralizing it isn't possible. But survival isn't based on logic.
snow fern
You think grox can get mad cow?
bold wren
It's not even what happens to the people as there is many mutants who fill the underhive, and then more deaths occur from those monstrosites.
Not just people murdering one another, or their barbaric means of survival that make men go feral.
snow fern
Not to mention the amount of fledgling chaos cults and gsc down there.
Doing my daily commute to be sacrificed to some horror who’s name makes my eyes bleed sulphur or be vivisected by purple guy
bold wren
Just the daily deaths that feed the cogs in the machine
Tyranids being casual Eldritch terrors that blot out the stars.
Just devourers that eat anything that gets in their way, but they fit for survival of the fittest. And are just locusts.
But what makes them is numbers and recreate one another at break neck speed, so they're greatly immune to corruption against daemons. They're a swarm that overwhelms enemies, and they're underestimated. But they assimilate everything with anything they eat.
But they have a queen and whom they guard zealously, so their queen isn't easy to reach that controls them.
crisp heath
We should let a kroot eat a norn queen and see what happens
misty vector
any kroot that would try that would probably be shot on sight by his squad
storm jungle
Yeah nids are off-limits.
they got too much shit inside their meat that'd give them omega-tapeworms if you ate em
💀
crisp heath
Would you still love me if I was an omega-tapeworm 🫣
queen laurel
you know it's one of the organisms of all time if it's literal cell structure is dangerous on its own
crisp heath
Iirc we do have a story about kroot successfully eating tyranids
They become genestealer adjacent
crisp heath
But I think they're just not eating big enough tyranids
They gotta go for the good DNA
storm jungle
Size or the right tyranid has nothing to do with it tbh
they are all a hotbed of genetic-soup
queen laurel
I would not suggest eating a hive tyrant it tasted like a half eaten hot dog you pick up from the street
celest dome
Yes. We know.
You know, these are the thing that make me wonder if Vivid and Bloom are the same person
storm jungle
Oh they are
basically talking about stuff we all know and rambling for no reason in a manner that annoys people and then acting like the world is against them. I've gotten like 3-4 complaints about it at this point 💀
crisp heath
Also it's so dumb that there's only human genestealers. I'm not even talking about xenos. I want a genestealer rat or a genestealer grox mini
misty vector
kroot say that tyranid meat is inherently "tainted"
crisp heath
Genestealer orcs exist
storm jungle
we only see genestealer humans for marketing reasons
queen laurel
Genestealer orcs exist
yeah but those don't last long
storm jungle
genestealers can infect any living organism
crisp heath
They just get throttled by actual ork’s really early
queen laurel
Other orks can tell the difference psychically
storm jungle
^
crisp heath
I want actual minis of weird genestealers though
storm jungle
Orks are too communal
storm jungle
I want actual minis of weird genestealers though
No point in it.
crisp heath
Bring me the four armed sheep
storm jungle
best you can get is art
crisp heath
Genestealer orks be like
“What if we didn’t run into gunfire?”
How many arms would a genestealer octopus have
storm jungle
4 because thats the amount genestealers have
celest dome
basically talking about stuff we all know and rambling for no reason in a manner...
You're smarter than I am
storm jungle
storm jungle
You're smarter than I am <:Guarded:972247035128447086>
okay but like half the stuff he says is
crisp heath
“What if we didn’t run into gunfire?”
Honest orc reaction
storm jungle
"The Imperial guard are the army of the Imperium"
queen laurel
You're smarter than I am <:Guarded:972247035128447086>
You discredit your intelligence as I challenge you for the dumbest person in lore chat because that title belongs to me
celest dome
I want actual minis of weird genestealers though
I'm going to say that there would be ways to introduce miniature of that, in a Kill Team
queen laurel
"The Imperial guard are the army of the Imperium"
I respect the servers rules a lot but holy crap the amount of times I almost snapped
celest dome
Or even a Black Fortress, maybe a GSC made from Eldar inhabiting a BS Fortress
crisp heath
We need to add the black fortress to table top