40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

He would be on his way to the next ghaz

If he uh

Didn’t get eaten

By the swarmlord

[crisp heath]

Octarius was just the best thing for orks, good romp

[burnt maple]

They were created to fight and win.

[arctic talon]

Yeah orks are a biological weapon

Without an off switch

[burnt maple]

They are literally engineered to win wars.

[sour hornet]

Wait do orks just grow back bigger when they die?

[arctic talon]

They used to be Krorks

[arctic talon]

No, but fighting makes them bigger

[crisp heath]

Orks are literally one of the most dominant species in the galaxy, after humans and maybe tyranids

[arctic talon]

Orks who don’t die

Get huge

[sour hornet]

What do you mean by that

[queen laurel]

They are basically immortal like they can grow to as largest a building if they keep on winning

[crisp heath]

They're always top 3, maybe even second place

[queen laurel]

So they can even be the size of a titan

But of course

Lifespan is not the best with how reckless they are

[burnt maple]

Even Inquisitor said once that uktimately, the galaxy may belong to orks.

[sour hornet]

What the fuck do you mean they were created

[arctic talon]

The old ones made them

[burnt maple]

Old Ones, an ancient race of gods needed army to fight necrons.

[crisp heath]

Orks grow larger in response to overcoming a challenge, which means every fight they survive, they get bigger. The Beast was multiple orks using one personality, each one the size of a house, because they kept winning fights.

[arctic talon]

They were meant to fight and win against the Necrons

[queen laurel]

The old ones created both eldar and Orks to fight the robots in a war called the war in heaven

[arctic talon]

They ended up winning(sort of)

The old ones all died

But the Necrons got forced to sleep

And once the Krorks ran out of a big enemy to fight they

[sour hornet]

this is getting complex

[arctic talon]

Turned on each other

And the eldar lol

[burnt maple]

Sątake it slow.

[arctic talon]

This led to them killing each other so hard they devolved into orks

[burnt maple]

Take*

[queen laurel]

like orks if they wanted to can teleport their own emperor Titan equivalent in a battlefield just because

[arctic talon]

In theory Krorks can form again if the fighting gets horrifying enough

But it hasn’t happened yet

[crisp heath]

Just know: the three oldest species that still exists are orks, necrons, and eldar, and the orks are the most widespread and powerful of those 3. This is because of an ancient war.

Thats really the gist

[arctic talon]

Also big orks who die generally spawn orks who come out bigger out of the ground

This can be observed with The Beast

[sour hornet]

Wait

Who made the necrons then?

[queen laurel]

goffz are the most popular examples of this

[arctic talon]

Themselves

They used to be a biological species

Called the Necrontyr

[queen laurel]

yeah they made a deal with a god

[arctic talon]

A lot of gods

[queen laurel]

Called the deceiver

[arctic talon]

They gave bodies to

And then the gods ate their souls

[queen laurel]

or some shit

[arctic talon]

And turned them into Necrons

[crisp heath]

Necrons evolved normally, but made a pact with another species called the ctan who put them in living metal bodies and stole their souls, making them slaves

The necrons rebelled and "shattered" the ctan

[queen laurel]

And now really powerful necrons just have the shard of a god on their pocket

You know just because

[crisp heath]

Yeah they use ctan shards as like mini nuclear generators now

[arctic talon]

They’re a good power source

Smh

[sour hornet]

I need a damn minute to digest what the fuck I just heard lmao

[burnt maple]

Understandable.

[queen laurel]

I mean if I go to someone's house and shatter their soul into 1000 pieces and put them in never ending agony I'm pretty sure that scream would work as a source of power

[arctic talon]

The drukhari school of technology

[crisp heath]

I have a friend who wanted to me to tell her about 40k while I was painting necrons

I told her about how they came about

And she just said

"And this is just one team???"

[arctic talon]

40K lore moment

[burnt maple]

XD yuuuuup

[arctic talon]

Unless it’s the leagues of votaan

[queen laurel]

Haha

[arctic talon]

[sour hornet]

like this is some of the most horrific yet metal shit ive ever heard

[crisp heath]

So I hit her with "no there's a lot of necron teams and they all hate each other"

[arctic talon]

It goes hard

[sour hornet]

wait so did the necrons just go insane after shattering the ctan

[arctic talon]

No

They went to sleep

And some of them went insane while sleeping

[crisp heath]

Most had no mind, only the most important got to remain conscious

[queen laurel]

Yeah they basically killed their boss and go home and went to take vacation

[arctic talon]

Or after waking up

[queen laurel]

For like more than a hundred million years

[arctic talon]

Necron warriors don’t have a mind

[crisp heath]

Only the most important necrons are still "people", the rest are robots

[arctic talon]

They lost their sentience and Sapiande

[sour hornet]

so these guys are still around, just fucking sleeping

[arctic talon]

Once you start getting to necron professional soldiers(immortals) there’s some remnant of a personality

[burnt maple]

Yup.

[arctic talon]

Yeah they’re waking up now though

[sour hornet]

what

[arctic talon]

Necrons like lychguard and above

[sour hornet]

why

[arctic talon]

Galaxy is fucked and it’s waking them up early

[queen laurel]

Because they basically made an alarm that they would wake up when everything is right for the picking

[burnt maple]

You ccolonize a planet, go into mining and suddenly boom: necron infestation.

[arctic talon]

Sometimes some idiot fucks with a tomb world

[queen laurel]

But since the galaxy is such a s*** hole

[arctic talon]

And boom

The tomb complex wakes up

[queen laurel]

The alarm is ringing a bit early

[sour hornet]

okay

so the orks devolved, the necrons went to sleep, what happened to the eldar?

[crisp heath]

Ok so basically the necrons went to sleep because the eldar and orks were getting too powerful. They thought they could wait them out. Then millions of years later, sentient species, like humans, started messing around in necrons tombs to find out what they do and ended up waking up the necrons inside.

[arctic talon]

They did great till most of their society decided to create slaanesh

[queen laurel]

They made the fourth chaos god come to existence

[arctic talon]

The craftworld eldar do not resemble the eldar empire when it fell

You want to know who does

[queen laurel]

Yeah you know those large ships that they call home those are transport carriers back in the day

That's how technologically advanced they were

[arctic talon]

https://artwork.40k.gallery/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/War-of-Dark-Revelations-768x576.jpg.webp

[sour hornet]

How the fuck do you manage to do that?

[arctic talon]

The fucking drukhari

[arctic talon]

Drugs, depravity, chaos worship

[burnt maple]

UNSPEAKABLE DEBAUCHERY AND GALAXY-WIDE ORGY.

[arctic talon]

Not galaxy wide but yeah

[burnt maple]

Because boredom.

[crisp heath]

Eldar were the most powerful empire, but they have very sensitive nervous systems which feel a lot of pleasure, so they started worshipping pleasure, which created slaanesh, and where slaanesh was born still exists as the Eye of Terror, which is the core of the old eldar empire

[arctic talon]

They literally got too bored

The eldar also feel emotions stronger then humans

[queen laurel]

Eldar even the weakest ones are psychically attuned to the warp more than your average human

Because of this they can make things go f**** wookie in there if a lot of them believe and do something because it gathers energy

[sour hornet]

So the necrons have no allies and hate everyone equally?

[arctic talon]

Which makes them ideal for channeling the warp

[queen laurel]

Thanks to collective depravity

[arctic talon]

They hate the eldar the least, they see them as an “honored enemy of the past”

Lol

[sour hornet]

Are you joking???

[burnt maple]

No.

[arctic talon]

Not really

[queen laurel]

It basically manifested into a god of excess

[crisp heath]

Necrons can actually be very friendly with humans, but they mostly feel they're superior and see other species as slaves or vermin

[arctic talon]

Yeah that also

The Necrons can engage in diplomacy

[queen laurel]

They also work with humans from time to time too

[arctic talon]

The Necrons work with people when it helps them tbf

[burnt maple]

They partied so hard it manifested a god of excess.

[queen laurel]

Yes

[arctic talon]

But yeah the craftworld eldar saw the writing on the wall

And bailed eldar society

And told everyone you’re all fucked if you don’t stop

[crisp heath]

Craftworld eldar are still pretty hedonistic

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's like a father seeing his son do surgery on a doll and decided to dip faster than a speedster in dc

[crisp heath]

Just not as bad as the drukhari

[arctic talon]

By human standards yeah

They’re quite hedonistic

[sour hornet]

Wait so are eldar psykers stronger than human psykers? And for that matter, do orks even have psykers?

[arctic talon]

By eldar standards they’re lame puritans

[arctic talon]

Eldar psykers are generally stronger yeah

Orks have psykers

[crisp heath]

Human psykers are stronger but rarer

[arctic talon]

They’re called weirdboyz

[arctic talon]

Depends on the human psyker

[burnt maple]

Ork psyker: weird boy.

[arctic talon]

The average eldar warlock is stronger then a primaris psyker

[crisp heath]

The rule is eldar have a lot of psykers, but humans have a few strong ones

[arctic talon]

The entirety of the eldar race are psykers

Technically

[queen laurel]

Yes but ork psykers from their own power called the WAAAAAGGHHH which means that more orks and more of them are having fun the more powerful they are but controlling this power is quite hard and so their heads tend to explode and also explode the heads of others around them

[arctic talon]

But most don’t use psychic powers actively

[crisp heath]

Primaris psykers on actually on the weaker end of humans though

[queen laurel]

Just like eldar Orks also have a psychic field that's what allows them to have their belief stuff work

[arctic talon]

Eldar who dedicate themselves to being psykers are quite strong

[arctic talon]

Okay but they’re a good indicator for average human battle psyker imo

[crisp heath]

A human beta or alpha far outclasses any eldar farseer, they're just rare

[arctic talon]

Tbf beta and alpha level psykers are almost always main characters lol

[sour hornet]

so ork psykers blow shit up using their own collective hype as a power source

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

Aren't eldar holding back their power because Slannesh

[arctic talon]

And when they take in too much hype they explode

[burnt maple]

YES!

[arctic talon]

Yes

[queen laurel]

You're on the money

[arctic talon]

They can’t tap into everything or else their soul gets eaten

[crisp heath]

Yes, but the lore rule was always "human psykers are strong but rare"

[arctic talon]

Because you turned on the giant lighthouse in the warp

Alpha and beta psykers aren’t the average

At all

I’m going off of averages

It’s lame to use outliers imo

[sour hornet]

who are these guys

[arctic talon]

Dark eldar

Aka the eldar empire

But it got worse

[burnt maple]

Tbh emmesh, thatwas the best description of ork psykery I heard xD

[crisp heath]

Dark elves in space. No psychic powers but either very hot or very horrific, and need suffering to survive

[arctic talon]

The drukhari live off of suffering and fear

It literally refills their souls

Which are constantly being eaten away at by slaanesh

[burnt maple]

^

[arctic talon]

They also live hedonistic lives

Drugs, sex, murder, food, Ect.

[crisp heath]

Also the fastest faction

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[crisp heath]

Specialize in hit and run tactics

[arctic talon]

They literally have wargear that’s meth

Combat drugs are common among drukhari Wych cults, haemonculi covens and Kabals

[burnt maple]

When you fight dark eldar, you DO NOT want to be captured.

[arctic talon]

Also they’re capable of literal resurrection

[arctic talon]

I love being turned into a living and breathing tv stand

[sour hornet]

wait, so how evil are the drukhari on a scale of 1-10

[arctic talon]

10

[crisp heath]

Their army tag line is literally "don't let them take you alive" lmao

[arctic talon]

^

[crisp heath]

11

[arctic talon]

They’re as evil as chaos

If not worse at times

[sour hornet]

wait

[crisp heath]

Drukhari are generally considered the most evil faction in warhammer

[arctic talon]

They are good at flesh crafting

Only person who beat them out on that is the emperor making the custodes

[burnt maple]

They love torturing by fleshcrafting.

[arctic talon]

Marines are considered “child’s play” for haemonculi

[sour hornet]

do I want to know what that is?

[crisp heath]

Basically you take a living person and turn them into an object that can still feel

[arctic talon]

Genetic modification, mutations

https://preview.redd.it/even-your-worst-nightmare-will-seem-like-a-dream-once-you-v0-nxocrvpastbc1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=28bb71c64363a1ac62e2b878fdc9086f6083bd02

[crisp heath]

There are drukhari with hats that scream

[burnt maple]

Fleshcraft: changing your body into whatever the fuck fleshcrafter wants and you sadly live through it.

[arctic talon]

Also fun fact

The drukhari can revive people from the dead

From a single piece of flesh

[sour hornet]

half that guys face is flayed

[arctic talon]

It’s a fashion statement

It’s in for haemonculi

Smh

[crisp heath]

That's understating it

Vect got resurrected from a drop of blood once

[arctic talon]

A microscopic piece of hair is more accurate

[sour hornet]

Wouldn't it be better to kill the poor fucker at that point?

[arctic talon]

But the haemonculi(generaly) don’t revive people

[arctic talon]

But then you don’t get the suffering

They feed off of suffering and fear

[burnt maple]

No, if you are dark eldar.

[crisp heath]

Yes, but they will literally die if they don't get to feed off your suffering

[burnt maple]

This is wheretge fun begins.

[arctic talon]

They need suffering and fear to live

They have giant arenas entirely dedicated to “feeding” the poor with suffering and fear

Regarding actual food the drukhari are often cannibalistic

[burnt maple]

So imagine being a kitchen shelf on a dark eldar. And STILL being abused sexually.

[arctic talon]

Aside from that their food is generally very excessive

[sour hornet]

what the fuck, is this all eldar? are they all, collectively, the worst bastards to ever draw breath?

[arctic talon]

No

The craftworld eldar are normal

[burnt maple]

Dark eldar? Yes.

[arctic talon]

They left the eldar empire before it uh

devolved

[crisp heath]

When a dark eldar captures you, they will torture you physically, emotionally and sexually. When you aren't being tortured, you will be forced to do manual labor. When you no longer feel pain because you've been so desensitized, they turn you into a hat or furniture while still alive.

[burnt maple]

I would rather face horde of orks than dark eldars.

[tulip brook]

They need to "feel" stuff. Suffering is just the beefiest meal

[sour hornet]

are these guys just around in space? can't the Imperium fucking exterminate the system they live in?

[paper haven]

The Dark Eldar are in dire need of kinkshaming via cyclonic torpedos.

[arctic talon]

They’re in the webway

[sour hornet]

The what

[queen laurel]

there's Chaos

[arctic talon]

Eldar pocket dimension that allows for FTL

[crisp heath]

No, their city is in an alternate dimension in the warp. It's also one of the best defended locations in the setting.

[arctic talon]

All the eldar factions use it

Everytime the imperium has gotten into comorroagh

[tulip brook]

They have their absurdly big city in the webway

[arctic talon]

It has been because the dark eldar let them

Usually for some sort of political power play

[paper haven]

They're mostly in their big city that's located in the webway, which is the Eldar pocket dimension. The imperium can wipe them out but that place is a death trap and doing so would reqiure more resources than can be spared.

[tulip brook]

And yeah imperium attacked comorragh

[arctic talon]

Comorroagh has like

Multiple captive suns

[paper haven]

Some of the doors there just open up in the center of a star

[arctic talon]

Or a black hole

[crisp heath]

The imperium attacked commoragh and the end result was the craziest one of them ended up becoming their leader because of it lmao

[arctic talon]

He set it up

He’s the one who let those marines get out

[paper haven]

The craziest imperial?

[sour hornet]

that's fucking nightmarish, so basically they live in a different dimension and cannot be attacked without great loss

[arctic talon]

No

[burnt maple]

Vect, you fucker.

[arctic talon]

Vect

[arctic talon]

Yep, and everyone hates them

[tulip brook]

Craziest deldar

[arctic talon]

The drukhari have like

Literally 0 friends

Except for I guess harlequins

[crisp heath]

Vect is my favorite character. I just love that the guy has babes on his model.

[sour hornet]

do they hate humanity or are they just fucking evil to everyone?

[crisp heath]

Everyone

[arctic talon]

They’re just evil, they prey on eldar as well

Eldar are “tastier”

[burnt maple]

The bitch galley.

[crisp heath]

Anyone who can feel pain is a victim

[queen laurel]

everyone gets the smoke

[arctic talon]

Drukhari love captured eldar

[sour hornet]

WHAT.

elaborate

[arctic talon]

Their souls are brighter

They feel emotions stronger

The drukhari feed off of fear and suffering

[burnt maple]

Eldar feel emotion stronger.

[queen laurel]

Yeah the stronger you are psychically the better your soul tastes basically

[burnt maple]

So torturing them is cooler

[arctic talon]

The suffering you get from some eldar civilian is > some human civilian

Also the eldar straight up taste better

[crisp heath]

Eldar have strong souls and sensitive nervous systems which make them better to torture. Dark and normal eldar do work together sometimes, but they don't like each other much for this reason.

[arctic talon]

The drukhari are cannibals

[paper haven]

Dark Eldar need to create suffering to not have their souls consumed by Slaanesh. They literally need to hurt people to survive.

[arctic talon]

Fun fact

They eat each other sometimes

[tulip brook]

They can tolerate eldar and they have a healthy distance with harlequins, rest is meal

[sour hornet]

do they hold a grudge for the normal eldar fucking off and leaving?

[crisp heath]

Not really

[arctic talon]

No, they just find them funny

And “blind” to the ideal way to live

[paper haven]

Eldar, being both extremely sensative and also Slaanesh's favorite food, are their preferred victims.

[crisp heath]

Dark eldar think they're the "real eldar", but they don't hold much of grudge

[arctic talon]

They also think the normal eldar are a bunch of stuck up puritans

Since they don’t torture people to death

Or drink so much wine every day it would kill a human

[paper haven]

But humans are easier to catch and you can find a lot of them.

[crisp heath]

Drukhari think they're the closest to the pre-fall eldar empire and can't let go of the fact their empire is dead

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

Basically the dark elder find jeffrey dahmer to be the ideal lifestyle

[arctic talon]

The drukhari call themselves the true inheritors of the eldar empire

[sour hornet]

wait, so if dark eldar live their entire lives being irredeemable assholes to stave off slaanesh, why don't normal eldar?

[crisp heath]

They have other ways of keeping her away

[arctic talon]

Because soul stones protect normal eldar

[paper haven]

They are the closest representation of what the Eldar empire looked like that still exists.

[crisp heath]

Craftworld eldar use a path system to keep their emotions in control

[arctic talon]

Soul stones help ward off slaanesh, and when an eldar dies their soul gets trapped inside

A path is a fancy name for job/hobby

[crisp heath]

Exodites use their personal hardship to avoid slaanesh

[paper haven]

Soul stones keep their souls safe and their paths keep their emotions under control.

[arctic talon]

One might call it a jobby

[crisp heath]

And harlequins have a pact with a different god

[queen laurel]

Do they have the path of the minimum wage worker

[paper haven]

Clown eldar are also an option.

[arctic talon]

Yes, there’s a path for cleaning trash

[tulip brook]

Dark eldar have to do it because they don't have the protection of soul stones. Slaanesh slowly saps their soul and drain their life

[arctic talon]

Harlequins have their protection because their god is still alive

[queen laurel]

Okay that's a funny

[arctic talon]

The eldar on that path are really good at cleaning things up

[sour hornet]

The soul stone is a physical object right? Can dark eldar put their souls inside?

[queen laurel]

An eldar cleaning game would go lit

[tulip brook]

Different philosophies, different solutions to the same problem

[paper haven]

I believe there's another eldar god still alive, the one that Nurgle has? If she gets out, eldar can dedicate themselves to her but. Well. Good luck with that.

[arctic talon]

The soul stones literally wither into ash lol

[sour hornet]

[arctic talon]

Khaine is “alive”

He’s shattered

But alive

Drukhari souls are disgusting

[crisp heath]

Yes, some dark eldar become craftworlders and get a soul stone, but most soul stones reject them and decay because of the fucked up shit they've done

[arctic talon]

Soul stones reject them

Also drukhari love captured soul stones that have a soul in them

[paper haven]

Soul stones take one look at them and say: "Yeah fuck you."

[arctic talon]

It’s a torture battery

What’s the soul inside gona do

Run away?

[paper haven]

Also, yeah, any soul stones with an eldar soul inside of it that gets captured? That's not a great situation to be in.

[sour hornet]

Bro these guys are fucking evil little bastards goddamn

[tulip brook]

Everybody seems to love capturing soul stones for many reasons

[sour hornet]

like it keeps getting worse

[tulip brook]

Those things are expensive

[arctic talon]

If it’s the imperium or orks have fun being a decoration until someone nabs them

[crisp heath]

Drukhari are the most evil in a story where everyone is evil

[arctic talon]

If it’s chaos you’re so fucked lol

Your soul is getting eaten

Or sent to slaanesh as a sacrifice

[paper haven]

The universe screwed the Eldar almost as hard as they screwed each other.

[sour hornet]

Wait, where do eldar keep the stones? Do they also live in the webway?

[arctic talon]

The eldar live on giant space ships in real space

The eldar keep the stones on them at all times

Soul stones are nearly indestructible

[paper haven]

I believe craftworlds have a reservior or somesuch that stones go to

[tulip brook]

"Craftworlds" giantass ships generally in webway or realspace

[arctic talon]

Yeah soul stones get dropped into the infinity circuit

[sour hornet]

ohhhhj

[arctic talon]

Once the person who’s bonded to them dies

[crisp heath]

Eldar live on craftworlds, continent sized spaceships. When an eldar dies, their soulstone is brought to the core of the ship, where it joins with an "infinity circuit", basically the sum of all its parts

[arctic talon]

It’s eldar heaven basically

[sour hornet]

wait, so they just float around in space, and the Imperium is fine with that?

[arctic talon]

Attacking a craftworld is literal suicide

[paper haven]

They can have their stones put into a uh... Basically an Eldar dreadnaught.

[crisp heath]

Some soulstones are reused though, and become wraiths, which are eldar souls piloting machines.

[arctic talon]

99.9% of the time everyone involved dies

[tulip brook]

Imperium isn't a galaxy wide controlling every system kind of empire

[arctic talon]

^

Also attacking a craftworld is an easy way to get on the eldars shit list

[paper haven]

Eldar craftworlds are like planet sized fortresses that can teleport.

[crisp heath]

The imperium and eldar aren't on as bad of terms as the imperium and other aliens, but they're still very racist to each other

[arctic talon]

And being on the eldars shit list means you’re going to get attacked constantly

By corsairs

Or if the craftworld is evil enough

They’ll tell the drukhari

[crisp heath]

But the imperium generally doesn't kill eldar on sight and there's some official treaties because eldar are reasonable

[arctic talon]

That a world is ripe for the picking

[paper haven]

And Eldar can screw you over big time if you piss them off enough

[arctic talon]

This usually applies to Beil’tan

Because they’re a bunch of psychopaths

[sour hornet]

So I'm guessing the eldar policy is basically "leave me the fuck alone and I won't fuck with you in return"

[arctic talon]

Generally yes

[burnt maple]

Ye

[paper haven]

Generally, yeah

[arctic talon]

There’s one craftworld that’s

Uber racist

[crisp heath]

Biel-tan are super racists though and will kill all humans

[arctic talon]

And goes out of their way to attack people

Yeah beil-tan are like

[sour hornet]

Is that how they are with everyone?

[arctic talon]

Insanely racist

[paper haven]

Different craft worlds have different policies. Some are even friendly with the Imperium

[arctic talon]

Humans, Necrons, tau

They kill orks

[sour hornet]

Tau?

[arctic talon]

And chaos

[crisp heath]

Biel-tan are imperium but with elves

[arctic talon]

The craftworld eldar hate chaos

[paper haven]

Yeah but to an insane degree even for other Eldar

[crisp heath]

Another major faction, basically less racist, more fair, and open to peace talks

[arctic talon]

Beil’tan are racist to other eldar

They consider other craftworld eldar

[crisp heath]

Tau are the "good guy" faction, but still use mind control

[arctic talon]

Inferior

[sour hornet]

Whats the fucking catch, you aren't fooling me lmao

[paper haven]

Tau are blue aliens with a hyper technological empire consisting of multiple species, including humans

[arctic talon]

They love propaganda and there’s “re education” camps

[burnt maple]

Mind control, communism.

[paper haven]

Mind control and sterilization camps

[burnt maple]

XD

[arctic talon]

They’re an irl dictatorship

[crisp heath]

Mind control, internal racism, and religious intolerance

[sour hornet]

After hearing about bdsm elves that turn people into dining chairs, I'm not being fooled again

[arctic talon]

They aren’t communist 🤓

[burnt maple]

You get it!

[arctic talon]

They aren’t even collectivist

They’re very capitalistic economy wise

Ironically

[paper haven]

Orks are the best faction to fight.

[burnt maple]

I know, just making some fun.

[paper haven]

They'll just kill you

[arctic talon]

Yeah with orks you’ll just get beaten to death

Necrons also aren’t bad(generally)

[sour hornet]

this is without a doubt the worst universe I have ever heard of

[arctic talon]

Szeras is

[burnt maple]

No xD

[arctic talon]

The horrifying exception

[queen laurel]

Yeah but if they're smarter than average

[arctic talon]

Ah fun

[queen laurel]

They're going to turn you into a slave

[arctic talon]

Torture

Yeah

[paper haven]

What about the flayers?

[burnt maple]

Indeed.

[arctic talon]

Flayed ones are usually shot at by other Necrons, you’re more likely to die to some Gauss rifle then a flayed one

[sour hornet]

how strong are they?

[paper haven]

Is it really much worse than working in an imperial manufactorium?

[arctic talon]

Not incredibly, they’re the new comers to the galactic table

[arctic talon]

Yes actually

[paper haven]

Fair enough.

[crisp heath]

Strong enough to compete with the imperium, although they're considered young and relatively weak compared to the imperium, eldar, orks and tyranids

[arctic talon]

And manufactorums are pretty shit

The tau can’t fight all of the imperium at once(literally no one can) but they’re a huge pain in the ass

[burnt maple]

Reasonably. Great gun tech, not enough resources/manpower

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

Eh 50 50 I guesd

[arctic talon]

They lack numbers

[sour hornet]

Wait so barring the eldar, do all the races just fucking hate eachother?

[crisp heath]

Tau is all about good guns

[paper haven]

If the Imperium could spare the resources, they could wipe them out. Again, the cost outweighs the benefits

[arctic talon]

Everyone hates each other

The levels of hate just vary

[crisp heath]

Yes. Best you'll get is "I don't hate you, but you're fun to fight".

[paper haven]

Tau have gundams and super laser guns. You aren't getting close without taking massive casualties.

[burnt maple]

It is a universe where trust is your first nail in coffin.

[arctic talon]

Diplomacy in 40K is often agreeing we kill the bigger threat first

[crisp heath]

Imperium has some xenos allies, but only weak species that prove no threat.

[arctic talon]

Then we kill each other

[sour hornet]

bro what

[arctic talon]

Monke

[paper haven]

Tyrannids probably don't hate you. It could be argues they love you, even.

[crisp heath]

Some individual xenos might like humans, but not the whole species.

[burnt maple]

Ofc everyone hates eachother. The amount of backstabbing on every side is staggering.

[paper haven]

Not a joke by the way. I know it sounds like a joke but it's not.

[crisp heath]

40k is supposed to be the worst possible timeline

[arctic talon]

The average tau pulse rifle blows the bolter out the water in every way but fire rate

[crisp heath]

Where there is nothing but war

[sour hornet]

I'm guessing the Imperium counters the gundams by fuckimg drowning them in bodies?

[crisp heath]

Pretty much

[arctic talon]

Or bigger guns

And yeah bodies

[paper haven]

Yep.

[burnt maple]

Bigger guns.

[sour hornet]

Wait do we have mechs too?

[arctic talon]

Yes

The imperium has many

[paper haven]

Also, when the Tau found out what a dreadnaught was, they were sickened.

[arctic talon]

Of varying sizes

[queen laurel]

Yes knight and titans

[crisp heath]

The tau battlesuits are equivalent to marines, and they have far more suits than the imperium does marines.

[winged jacinth]

the tau are potentially unaware of the eldar

[arctic talon]

Mfw there’s a dead rotting human inside older the. Your entire empires existance

[arctic talon]

They know about them

[paper haven]

Sort of. But Tau mechs are way better.

[arctic talon]

They ran into the drukhari first

Unfortunately for them

[sour hornet]

A what?

[arctic talon]

Half dead Space marine in mech

[crisp heath]

Oh boy time to talk about knights

[queen laurel]

Space marine box tingis

With the stubby legs

[paper haven]

Crippled space marine wired to a life support system and connected to a massive weapons platform

[winged jacinth]

i dont think the tau have more battlesuits than the imperium has marines, the tau empire is small they almost got wiped out by one crusade force

[arctic talon]

There’s a mostly dead marine in hete

[crisp heath]

Yeah a dreadnought is a near dead marine on life support strapped to a weapon system

[sour hornet]

Like actual knights?

[burnt maple]

Dreadnaught: armored sarocphagus with fuckton of weapons.

[crisp heath]

Knights are imperial mechs

[winged jacinth]

the actual knight is inside a giant robot knight

[arctic talon]

Think medival knights but less sexist(sometimes) but in giant mech suits

[crisp heath]

Like Evangelion style

[winged jacinth]

the titans are more evangelion style

[crisp heath]

An imperial knight has its own consciousness and just uses the pilot for extra brain space

[paper haven]

The smallest Mech aside from Dreagnaughts. One human pilots it, I think it's about 20 meters high or so

[winged jacinth]

i think knights have a throne mechanicus though

[arctic talon]

Titans don’t have a throne mechanicum

[queen laurel]

some of the greatest war engines of the imperium

[arctic talon]

Titans have their own systems

[winged jacinth]

aw man whats the princeps plug called

[paper haven]

Knights are pretty cool though

[arctic talon]

I don’t remember ngl

[crisp heath]

OK so titans are just human-shaped weapon platforms. Knight are actual mechs that will punch the enemy.

[winged jacinth]

titans are sufficiently complex to be more or less alive which is fun

[arctic talon]

All I know is that shit fucking blows

Titans are pretty much just giant mobile artillery yeah

Not really mech material

[sour hornet]

1. That is incredibly badass.
2. What the fuck are they fighting, they don't look like chaos cultists in dt

[arctic talon]

They’re fighting daemons and chaos cultists

[crisp heath]

Those are nurgle daemons yeah

[arctic talon]

Daemons of slaanesh and nurgle

Specifically

[crisp heath]

Poxwalkers mostly it seems

[arctic talon]

I see a plague bearer

[celest dome]

Do Sentinel not count as Mech ?

[winged jacinth]

A human pilot, linked directly to the machine via a Throne Mechanicum, controls the movement of a Titan merely through thought smh gaslighting

[arctic talon]

It counts as a mech I’d say but not a mecha

[crisp heath]

No, sentinels are just vehicles

[arctic talon]

I’m dumb

[sour hornet]

I'm guessing these are the slaanesh daemons?

[arctic talon]

Yep

[burnt maple]

Yes.

[crisp heath]

Yeah daemonettes

[arctic talon]

Unfortunately that knight pilot

Is prolly dead

Unless the armiger saves him

[sour hornet]

That's what you meant by "knight rides in the knight"

[winged jacinth]

titans start at battletech assault mechs

[arctic talon]

There’s also chaos knights

Who are like imperial knights

But chaos

[crisp heath]

Yeah the knight pilot is just a human who has a bond with a sentient machine, the knight

[winged jacinth]

yeah the people who pilot knights are also, generally, feudal knights

[arctic talon]

Also you get to listen to your ancestors scream at you

While piloting a knight

[paper haven]

Forgot about sentinels, honestly.

[sour hornet]

wait, why are they working together

[arctic talon]

Daemons work together sometimes for a common goal

Even if they hate each other

[burnt maple]

Because Imperium.

[arctic talon]

^

[crisp heath]

Chaos works together sometimes, but only for common cause

[arctic talon]

They’ll prolly go back to killing each other

[winged jacinth]

sentinels are more like general light vehicles

[arctic talon]

After the knights are dead

[winged jacinth]

they've got feet but no arms

[arctic talon]

Behold evil knights

[paper haven]

An imperial Knight is a large machine piloted by a person who is also called a Knight

[crisp heath]

Imperial knights live for chivalry, honor and justice, chaos knights live for seeing someone's head explode

[arctic talon]

Some of them also like seeing heads explode tbf

[sour hornet]

who is the green space marine attached to?

[winged jacinth]

titans are funny because unless special plot allows for it you need total control of orbit to field them

[sour hornet]

Are they imperial guard?

[crisp heath]

Looks like a son of horus marine

[arctic talon]

Sons of Horus remnant

[arctic talon]

No

They’re a separate organization

Knight houses either have heavy ties to the imperium or Adeptus mechanicus

[crisp heath]

Knights come from feudal worlds not fully integrated into the imperium

[winged jacinth]

there is one guardsman whos just in that picture

[crisp heath]

Basically a medieval planet

[winged jacinth]

not sure how he got there hes probably pretty unhappy

[arctic talon]

Depending on that they’re called in different ways

They generally get asked like hey can you please help like our deal says

[sour hornet]

As in horus lupercals chapter? Didn't they disintegrate when he died?

[arctic talon]

He’s a remnant

[paper haven]

I believe they would fall under the authority of their House, as they are nobles and all that. I know they can deploy with Guard units but I doubt they have to take orders from them

[winged jacinth]

the dudes are still runnin around

[arctic talon]

Most likely works for the chaos knight house

^

[crisp heath]

No, they split into three branches, most of them going to black legion

[arctic talon]

The black legion is the largest number of them

[burnt maple]

Disbanded. Turned into Black Legion mostly.

[arctic talon]

But the black legion is

[crisp heath]

There are still chaos marines who call themselves "sons of horus"

[arctic talon]

Fucking huge

[crisp heath]

But they're rare

[paper haven]

Son of horus, pre Black Legion so this is probably during the Horus Heresy

[sour hornet]

Are chaos space marines just fucking out there wandering?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[crisp heath]

Yes

[arctic talon]

Plenty lol

[sour hornet]

[crisp heath]

Most of them live in the eye of Terror

[paper haven]

Do you know what the Alpha Legion is?

[winged jacinth]

a lot of the time a lone CSM will be involved in some chaos scheme

[arctic talon]

Tbh a lot of chaos marines wandering around end up starting chaos cults

Lol

[crisp heath]

But they have huge "black crusades" where they invade normal space

[burnt maple]

softly dont.

[arctic talon]

The alpha legion are just comically fractured tbh

[sour hornet]

I caught the tail end of the horus heresy books, but most of my knowledge starts with DT

[arctic talon]

Total breakdown in cohesion

Almost as bad as the night lords lol

[paper haven]

Hydra Dominatus.

[arctic talon]

But the night lords have a major warband at least

The alpha legion doesn’t

[winged jacinth]

in m43 we'll finally learn that the imperial fists had been the alpha legion all along...

[burnt maple]

Eat boltgun., Dylan.

[arctic talon]

I’m killing you with rocks

[burnt maple]

XD

[arctic talon]

[paper haven]

It's too late. You've already been replaced.

[sour hornet]

I'm guessing that is what got cadia?

[burnt maple]

Yes

[crisp heath]

Yeah that was the 13th black crusade

[sour hornet]

The "13th black crusade" if I recall

[winged jacinth]

it honestly makes sense the alpha legion wouldnt form a warband thats basically their whole thing

[arctic talon]

Yep 13th black crusade

[paper haven]

Yeah but, have they really splintered though?
(Most likely, yeah)

[arctic talon]

Tbf a warband can be like 12 guys

[winged jacinth]

yeah theres probably alpha legion cells all over

[arctic talon]

Based on the recent book answer is yes

Someone says I am Alpharius and a bunch of the other alpha legionaries get pissed off

[winged jacinth]

doing nefarious and mysterious deeds

[arctic talon]

Lol

[paper haven]

Traitor legion that may or may not be loaylist because they really just love fucking with people. It's great.

[arctic talon]

They’re totally fractured

I don’t doubt there’s some random loyalist element somewhere but most of them are on the chaos koolaid

[burnt maple]

I fucking hate alpha legion.

[sour hornet]

How do traitor marines gain members? I can't imagine an ultramarine joining chaos when they act like have the emperor's hand up their ass

[paper haven]

OH BOY

[burnt maple]

Oh, boy.

[crisp heath]

They steal geneseed from other legions and kidnap children

[arctic talon]

Kidnapping children like marines, marines going traitor

[crisp heath]

There's more complexity but that's the basics

[paper haven]

Who wants to describe the Daemonculaba?

[arctic talon]

Marines fall to chaos

[winged jacinth]

they make em like the normal marines do, but also being in the warp makes you immortal

[arctic talon]

A good bit

[arctic talon]

Failed experiment

Tbh

[crisp heath]

We are NOT talking about the daemonculaba

[arctic talon]

Bile calls it a failure

[sour hornet]

the what?

[arctic talon]

Program made like

2 marines

[burnt maple]

It gotdestroyed!

[arctic talon]

Don’t worry about it

[paper haven]

Oh absolutely

[crisp heath]

Wait I'm talking about the daemonculaba

[arctic talon]

Dummy smh

[crisp heath]

Take a normal human woman

[winged jacinth]

bile's gonna call everything a failure hes a perfectionist to a fault

[paper haven]

Gottem

[crisp heath]

And shove an entire teenager inside her with the space marine genes

[arctic talon]

Tbf it did only make 2 actual marines

[crisp heath]

And then force her to give birth to an entire teenager

That's the daemonculaba

[paper haven]

You skipped a few steps.

[winged jacinth]

bile when he clones a whole ass primarch "hmm kinda dogshit"

[arctic talon]

They aren’t needed smh

[arctic talon]

He calls them all inferior products to the real ones

💀

[burnt maple]

Kidnap a bunch of women, sew them together with chaos magic and pump them with marines geneseed so they can breed fully created Astartes.

[winged jacinth]

biles a little sisyphus boy

hes going to keep pushing his gene boulder forever

[arctic talon]

Biles perfectionism is his demise

But the new men are doing well

[green loom]

He's missing some critical sauce and he probably realizes

[arctic talon]

As a program

[arctic talon]

He just wants them at some point to start iterating on themselves

And to kill him

Pretty funny tbh

[winged jacinth]

he shoulda just started by working on ogryn, the ultimate form of human life

[arctic talon]

Tbh with how strong the new men are there’s prolly ogryn dna in them

[paper haven]

I'm pretty sure there are also some methods that can make a chaos space marine using geneseed that has the new marine have all the memories of the one who died, effectively making them either immortal or just very very good at fighting.

[green loom]

Aren't they actively like semi worshipping him lmao

[arctic talon]

Yes

And he doesn’t like it lol

[winged jacinth]

hes trying to build them a primarch figure to be the god

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[sour hornet]

Wait you're immortal in the warp?

[arctic talon]

Not the warp

[paper haven]

Ah yes, Humanity 2.0

[crisp heath]

It's the emperor all over again. Don't do god stuff if you don't want to be god.

[burnt maple]

Time flies different in Warp.

[green loom]

Maybe not immortal, but chaos can have weird effects and time flows different

[arctic talon]

In warp rifts and warp storms time goes fucky

[winged jacinth]

time is yes and most of the CSM in the eye of terror are alive from the heresy

[arctic talon]

So csm live way longer

Also chaos in general

[winged jacinth]

when you take regular warp travel you can arrive before you left

[arctic talon]

Makes you live longer

[burnt maple]

1 minute in Warp CAN BE 100 years in realspace.

[winged jacinth]

yeah chaos blessings play a big role too

[arctic talon]

The average marine is prolly gona get beaten to death in a fist fight by the average csm

[paper haven]

A lot of the chaos space marines in the warp are the same guys who rebelled ten thousand years ago.

[arctic talon]

CSM are juiced up

[sour hornet]

Does this mean that chaos marines are more skilled than your average loyalist marines bc he's like 10000 years older?

[winged jacinth]

yeah

[arctic talon]

Yes

[paper haven]

By a lot

[arctic talon]

A lot of the most important csm are from the heresy

[burnt maple]

Yes and no.

[green loom]

Not 10k but "long war veterans" is a thing for a reason

[arctic talon]

Very few are “new”

[crisp heath]

Warp works on homestuck void rules. There are no rules, except that the longer you stay or farther you go the more fucked time and space become.

[winged jacinth]

theres a lot more loyalist marines and a lot of the heretic marines have trouble getting organized and into realspace

[arctic talon]

But there aren’t a fuck ton of long war veteran csm

There’s a good bit

But they’re not the majority of csm

Fucks sake most csm got ultramarines dna

Lol

[burnt maple]

No, because ever since loyalist marines are trained well better in combat against other marines.

[sour hornet]

So they're stuck in the warp locked out of actually raiding most of the time?

[arctic talon]

A majority of chapters descend from guilliman, statistically speaking most marines who fall to chaos post heresy are marines

[arctic talon]

Not stuck in the warp

[winged jacinth]

its complicated and very random

[crisp heath]

Chaos marines are universally harder to kill than normal, because chaos gives them powers, but they aren't necessarily more skilled

[paper haven]

I would say most chaos forces are human cultists and Space marines who more recently fell to chaos. Old war veterans are around but they're not the majority

[arctic talon]

They’re building up resources

[winged jacinth]

like the rest of the warp

[arctic talon]

Yeah

This is accurate

[green loom]

Warpy space is mostly safe for them, though they do actively fight each other there

[arctic talon]

Veterans of the long war are

Decently rare

Also yeah csm fight each other

For resources

[paper haven]

Plus, chaos warbands fight each other all the time

[arctic talon]

World eaters literally killing each other by the dozen

Every day

[sour hornet]

Where the fuck do chaos marines live, I understand they live in the eye of chaos, but is that realspace or the warp?

[paper haven]

Kharn is actively hunting down other World Eaters from his time

[green loom]

Reason there's no "Sons of Horus" is because Abaddon literally killed or absorbed all their warbands into the Black Legion

[arctic talon]

Eye of chaos is real space(technically) it’s just super saturated in warp energy

All warp rifts are “real space”

[crisp heath]

It's the middle ground. The eye of terror is a giant "warp storm" in real space.

[green loom]

It's not the warp but the veil is thin and very ducky

[arctic talon]

But are so saturated in warp energy and the veil is so thin

That well

[paper haven]

It's an open door into the warp. There are planets and space stations and systems within the eye of terror that people can live on.

[arctic talon]

It might as well be the warp at times

Entering the actual warp outside of a ship

Literally kills you

Unless it’s into a gods plane

[sour hornet]

Why the fuck would they do that when the whole Imperium is facing them? Are they simply that dedicated to hating the shit out of eachother?

[arctic talon]

In which that case better be a worshipper

[paper haven]

Even Chaos marines need geller fields

[arctic talon]

Yes

[celest dome]

Why do (Nailless) Angron fans think that he would resolve all the problems about the Horus Heresy but not think he would betray the Emperor

[green loom]

Chaos isn't exactly designed to be smart, it's chaotic and kinda crazy/deluded

[arctic talon]

Tbf enough greater daemons can protect them

[crisp heath]

There was a time called the scouring that fractured them and made their differences turn them against each other.

[arctic talon]

Emphasis on enough

And better hope none of them get “hungry”

[paper haven]

Resources, old rivalries, the chaos gods they worship are more likely to reward them more for killing a champion of a rival god than an imperial champion

[crisp heath]

After horus was killed, they had no real leader

And they turned on each other while the imperium hunted them

[arctic talon]

The largest group of csm where infighting is barely tolerated is the black legion

And they still infight

Honor duels, gladiator pits

Straight up murder for equipment sometimes

[paper haven]

End goal of a Chaos space marine is becoming a daemon prince.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Ascension is the name of the game

[sour hornet]

Oh, I'd guess that would make sense, especially for a khorne guy to just fucking slaughter the slaanesh guy

[arctic talon]

Yep

[paper haven]

All other considerations are pathetically unimportant when literal immortality is on the line

[arctic talon]

The khornate and slaanesh groups are kept away from each other in the black legion

Because uh

When they don’t

[green loom]

The Black Legion is pretty crazy unique because basically only Abaddon can wrangle all the legions together for a common cause and even that's very briefly

[paper haven]

They reaaaaly don't like each other

[sour hornet]

What about the tzeench guys? Are there any tzeentch chapters?

[arctic talon]

He is the galaxy’s best cat herder

[crisp heath]

Yeah khorne especially hates slaanesh and the two groups will kill each other almost immediately

[arctic talon]

Thousand sons, plenty of war bands

[paper haven]

Thousand sons

[crisp heath]

Thousand sons

[arctic talon]

There’s a lot of tzeentch war bands

But thousand sons are the traitor legion

Associated with tzeentch

The 4 cult legions are the Death guard(nurgle), emperors children(slaanesh), thousand sons(tzeentch) and world eaters(khorne)

[paper haven]

The Black Legion is actually pretty unique in their goal and how they work.

[arctic talon]

These 4 space marine legions fell to a specific chaos god

And all of their members are corrupted by and worship said god

[sour hornet]

I'm guessing tzeentch is more subtle, so they don't really go around making big black crusade-esque actions

[celest dome]

Thousand Sons: Tzeentch
World Eater: Khorne
Death Guard: Nurgle
Emperor's Children: Tzeentch
Night Lord: Unaligned (Raptor God for a small part)
Iron Warrior: Unaligned-Mercurial
Word Bearer: Unaligned-Faith
Son of Horus: Undivided

[paper haven]

Abaddon focuses on fighting the imperium for their original reasons and views the chaos gods as tools instead of things to be worshipped.

[green loom]

They can't really

[burnt maple]

Ehhhh xD

[arctic talon]

The thousand sons often join in

On black crusades tbf

[green loom]

Tzeentch warbands are a nightmare of backstabbing

[arctic talon]

Not in huge numbers

[paper haven]

There are one thousand (not dust) Thousand sons.

[arctic talon]

But some sorcerers see it as a good way to get some favor from tzeentch

[arctic talon]

More then that 🤓

It’s around like 1400 give or take lol

Number fluctuates up and down based on recruitment and then murdering each other or dying

[sour hornet]

He led the crusade that shattered cadia no?

[burnt maple]

Yes

[sour hornet]

Did we kill him for that?

[arctic talon]

He’s led like 7 of the 13 black crusades

[burnt maple]

No

[arctic talon]

No

He’s very hard to kill

[burnt maple]

Plot armor

[sour hornet]

Bro WHAT?

[paper haven]

Really? I thought that was like, a point of fact. Since when Magnus made the deal to save his legion, only a thousand were left and oh look, because of him only a thousand survived.

[arctic talon]

He’s from the Horus heresy

[arctic talon]

They’ve been recruiting slowly

Is why

[crisp heath]

Abaddon is the big chaos marine guy, he did a lot of stuff. A lot of fans joke he's incompetent, but he accomplished a lot before the 13th black crusade.

[paper haven]

Fair enough

[arctic talon]

They need to find psykers strong enough

Ahriman notes how they are above 1000 by a good bit

Lol

[green loom]

Like I said, dragging all the chaos goons together to do something even briefly is a monumental achievement and it takes him centuries to do so, he has the right unique blend of crap to do it

[burnt maple]

Because retcons.

[arctic talon]

The other 6 black crusades were led by other black legion leaders while abbadon was off doing something else

[paper haven]

The joke being it took him thirteen tries. I think it was rewritten to be like, he was after specific goals and the actual battles didn't matter

[arctic talon]

Or just some random ass guy

The third black crusade didn’t even have the black legion involved

Yeah GW rewrote the black crusades to not be total dogshit lore

[sour hornet]

From how you're all describing it, I'm getting the distinct impression getting chaos marines to work together is like herding cats

[arctic talon]

Yes

[green loom]

Yeap

[crisp heath]

Yes

[burnt maple]

Yup.

[paper haven]

Sometimes a bunch of Chaos marines just attack Cadia

[arctic talon]

I call Abbadon the number 1 cat herder

For a reason

[crisp heath]

Chaos hates chaos

[green loom]

I mean for one it's in their nature to literally backstab each other nonstop

[arctic talon]

Old black crusade lore was pretty ass lol

[crisp heath]

Its called "chaos" for a reason

[paper haven]

Chaos is, above all, chaotic

[green loom]

Ironically the usually fickle daemons are utterly loyal to Abaddon

[arctic talon]

I’m glad GW changed it in 7e

Which was

Oh god 10 years ago

[green loom]

[arctic talon]

The sands of time

Will claim my bones

[paper haven]

Also worth noting that the chaos gods don't really view the imperium as a threat.

[arctic talon]

Tbh they barely view anything as a threat

[paper haven]

Therefore most chaos space marine warbands don't really care about the imperium

[green loom]

They can barely view anything

[arctic talon]

Only slaanesh really has a threat that can actively kill them

Lol

[sour hornet]

So all of them are mostly-independently fucking eachother over and raiding the Imperium while trying not to fail their chosen god? And every so often abbadon manages to snap them into forming a coherent group for a few years?

[arctic talon]

Pretty much

[crisp heath]

Necrons and tyranids are both anti-chaos

[arctic talon]

The 13th black crusade pretty much lost all coherency

[crisp heath]

They can't kill chaos but they can fuck with its plans

[arctic talon]

After Cadia fell

And abbadon just called it a day

[paper haven]

You got it. Right after he took out Cadia, all the individual warbands split off and went to do whatever they wanted

[arctic talon]

The black legion are still crusading

[crisp heath]

"Called it a day" THE MAN INVADED MACRAGGE

[arctic talon]

But it’s not a black crusade

[crisp heath]

Give him some credit

[arctic talon]

Yeah that’s calling it a day/j

[celest dome]

Which make quite a lot of sense due to the cost it took to destroy the planet, Abaddon hadn't much incentive for the different warbands

[paper haven]

He's been making some real moves, it's true

[arctic talon]

He didn’t try wrangling other chaos warbands to invade Macrage

[green loom]

It wasn't that costly for them

[arctic talon]

He did it with his boys

[celest dome]

So a lot just up and left

[dusk patrol]

The 13th was supposed to go all the way to Terra

[arctic talon]

^

[sour hornet]

Was this consensual from both parties, or did they just immediately lose interest?

[dusk patrol]

Guilliman just managed to react in time

[paper haven]

Me and the boys going all the way to Terra

[green loom]

Either way the Black Legion took the brunt which was still just like, 2/3 champions

[arctic talon]

They lost interest

[dusk patrol]

And Indomitus has somewhat stabilized part of the empire

[arctic talon]

Also the black legions like

Nurgle forces ate shit on Cadia

Because of the pylons turning on

Also nurgle forces in general on Cadia

[green loom]

Even still people kinda overstate how big the fight was, the Cadian fleet got ripped apart and the ground forces didn't fare much better

[dusk patrol]

They hit some snags

[paper haven]

Pretty sure abbaddon knew they wouldn't stick around. He's pretty good at getting everyone focused on one thing but after that he knows its a lost cause so he just takes advantage of whatever openings he can

[dusk patrol]

Like even Metallica didn’t properly get taken

[arctic talon]

Tbh I’d assume he hoped they’d stick around

Tbf Metalica is going to inevitably die

Unless someone figures out a cure

[green loom]

He probably wasn't sure how bad opening the literal floodgate would be

[crisp heath]

Abaddon literally bribed Blackheart to stick around lmao

[sour hornet]

Was the indomitus crusade in response to cadia or the bigass tear opening up?

[arctic talon]

Blackheart doesn’t like abbadon a ton tbf lol

[arctic talon]

Big ass tear

Cadia falling was shit

The big ass tear was even worse

[paper haven]

It was kind of ironic when the pylons turned on, as it hurt imperial forces as much as it hurt the nurgle forces but Abbaddon didn't rely on demons as much and could still operate.

[green loom]

In fairness he bribed him with the equivalent of a carrier with a nuclear reactor that's leaking and no functional weapons systems or controls

[arctic talon]

Mfw the imperium banished the legion of the damned

[paper haven]

Haha whoops

[arctic talon]

The blackstone fortress he gave Huron can fly and fire guns that aren’t the huge one tbf

[crisp heath]

Even a nonfunctional Blackstone fortress is a massive advantage, the imperium hoarded them while they were entirely turned off

[arctic talon]

The non functional blackstone fortress abbadon slammed into Cadia was literally dead

[paper haven]

It's still a fucking blackstone fortress

[arctic talon]

Those ones were partially functional

[green loom]

It's okay the 3 space wolves and 2 dark angels on the planet killed more of the black legion than everyone else combined

[crisp heath]

I hate how cheap they made Blackstone fortresses for the 13th black crusade storyline

[arctic talon]

They had stuff on board that worked

[crisp heath]

Even with no functionality they're a big deal

[paper haven]

Same though

[sour hornet]

I failed to realize that chaos marines can by extension use demons

[arctic talon]

They literally had 3 blackstone fortresses explode in the gothic war

13th black crusade only involves 2 black stone fortress’s

I think it’s fine

To have one just fucking explode

[paper haven]

The black legion specifically. Most chaos marines are completely dependant on the warp.

[crisp heath]

Yeah and one got thrown into the planet and the other got sold lmao

[arctic talon]

For an event that changed the setting in a huge way

[green loom]

Also it's more that apparently the fortresses actively resist use

[arctic talon]

[arctic talon]

Yeah they hate chaos

Lol

This is a known factor in the board game

And the books

[green loom]

And Abby specifically kinda fucked that one up with failed experiments

[paper haven]

Because they're sentient

[arctic talon]

They’re either an eldar or old ones creation

Most likely an old ones one

[sour hornet]

Can your soul still get fucked over by daemons as a chaos marine? I'm assuming your patron god already has dibs your soul?

[arctic talon]

Because spindle drones

Do not look eldari

[arctic talon]

Yes

[paper haven]

Absolutely.

[arctic talon]

Your patron god has dibs

[green loom]

It's going to get fucked over, but this time it's just consensual

[arctic talon]

But that won’t stop some other one from snatching it

Better hope your soul gets to your patron god quick lol

[paper haven]

As a chaos worshipper, there are two things that will happen to you.
Daemon prince or warp spawn.

[arctic talon]

You forgot death

[sour hornet]

I'm guessing you have to piss it off though, because you're ostensibly on its side?

[paper haven]

Not the huge setback for chaos that it is for others tbh

[arctic talon]

Well, it depends really

[sour hornet]

Or are daemons just huge assholes 100% of the time no holds barred

[arctic talon]

Sometimes your soul might get offered up as sacrifice

[celest dome]

For their mortal servant, it kinda is

[arctic talon]

Some daemons are nicer

And some are uh

not

Autorokatres literally kills anyone

Who finds a single letter of their true name

[paper haven]

You do well enough and your god will bring you back

[arctic talon]

Only has happened for the 4 mortal champions so far

[paper haven]

Didn't say it was common

[arctic talon]

Typhus, kharn, lucius(lmao), and Ahriman

[green loom]

Hey it kept happening to the Slaanesh lady in the Cain books

[arctic talon]

Though lucius often doesn’t want to fucking live anymore

[arctic talon]

Didn’t she become a daemon prince

[paper haven]

It happens to others.

[green loom]

Later on yes

[paper haven]

No I mean being brought back

[arctic talon]

But Lucius hates his immortality

[paper haven]

Probably the reason why Slaanesh keeps bringing him back

[arctic talon]

His suffering and humiliation is great

[celest dome]

His immortality is more of a Curse than anything. Slaanesh really does mock him

[paper haven]

Bro even your own god thinks you're trash

[sour hornet]

is that normal for champions? talking to your god like that

[arctic talon]

Lucius granted is a pretty good dualist