If a noble is directly in charge of an operation, then their personal security forces are keeping order.
If it's a government official, enforcers and, if bad enough pdf.
Crime lords also fill this role as well if them being in charge keeps things stable. The nobles in charge probably don't care as long as their obligations are being met
#40k-lore-chat
paper haven
wraith quartz
What about external threats like the enemies of mankind or whatever hard to kill local fauna that has a taste for human flesh?
paper haven
Yeah, there might even be proxy wars at play. One noble house is funding a gang to mess with another noble so that it looks like that noble is incompetent.
tough haven
What about external threats like the enemies of mankind or whatever hard to kill...
PDF primarily
then they call in the militarum and so on and so forth
if it gets that bad
paper haven
PDF are the general military.
dusk patrol
Big enough worlds will form regiments, sometimes those garrison the world
The guard draws from the best of the PDF
paper haven
Imperial guard is for when it's time to drop the Hammer.
dusk patrol
It varies but PDF is the standard
wraith quartz
There are hab zones to house the PDF and militarum garrisons if they have one?
arctic talon
The pdf have their own garrisons
paper haven
Some PDF are so good they become imperial guard, like the Valhallans.
dusk patrol
They’re generally basically the same as their guard regiments just maybe less equip or experienced
storm jungle
There are hab zones to house the PDF and militarum garrisons if they have one?
A hive city has a space for anyone and everything
theres no use in asking about specifics
dusk patrol
The guard regiments are typically where the best go
dusk patrol
Basically
storm jungle
Yeah the problem is these are EXTREMELY wide questions
wraith quartz
theres no use in asking about specifics
I always have specifics for certain topics..
dusk patrol
40k is built for what you want to it be within reason, we can give general answers
But you need to be more specific
thorn zenith
And hive cities are generally big enough to fit everything in
tough haven
I always have specifics for certain topics..
storm jungle
even your mo-
thorn zenith
Yes, EVERYTHING
thorn zenith
ESPECIALLY MY MOTHER
paper haven
In pretty much every imperial guard novel, PDF are the guys wiped out and overwhelmed at the start of trouble so they might seem quite weak, but that's not how most things go. Generally they're more than able to keep things in check.
thorn zenith
LAST TIME THEY PUT HER ASS IN A HIVE CADIANS CRIED
dusk patrol
The main thing is, almost every novel is dealing with an extreme and rare occurrence
arctic talon
Tbh if the pdf get wiped out shit is hitting the fan
The pdf can handle most normal threats
dusk patrol
It’s not a good novel if “and then the PDF dispatches the Orks without a huge fuss”
wraith quartz
Ok, one last thing
paper haven
It’s not a good novel if “and then the PDF dispatches the Orks without a huge fu...
Exactly.
thorn zenith
And its not 40k novel if shit js not hitting the fan
thorn zenith
Theyre redshirts redshirts
storm jungle
^
bronze tinsel
And its not 40k novel if shit js not hitting the fan
THANK YOU!
paper haven
If your planet isn't being invaded by Orks and tyrannids at the same time, don't even bother.
thorn zenith
There to die so that the other guys can come and die too
thorn zenith
I agree, im a big sucker for competent background goons
wraith quartz
In regards to living quarters, like a "residential" Habzone? Who runs or maintains that Habzone?
dusk patrol
I get that mostly we want more extreme scenarios for obvious reasons but
Variety and all that
dusk patrol
In regards to living quarters, like a "*residential*" Habzone? Who runs or maint...
Ok so you’ll never believe this
But it
bronze tinsel
In regards to living quarters, like a "*residential*" Habzone? Who runs or maint...
mostly the people living in it
dusk patrol
Depends
thorn zenith
Pisses me off to no end whenever i see the good guy mooks just being there to die so the main character can shine
wraith quartz
Lets sat there's a "mayor" in that residential Habzone would likely exist?
bronze tinsel
Pisses me off to no end whenever i see the good guy mooks just being there to di...
you must really hate a lot of fictional settings and 40k stories then lol
paper haven
I would like to see the PDF get to be a little more uh
It would require storytelling on a smaller scale than normally happens. Maybe an Inquisitor is rooting around and needs backup from PDF. Keep everything isolated to a single hive city, you know?
thorn zenith
Lets sat there's a "*mayor*" in that residential Habzone would likely exist?
There could very well be, zone foreman and such
dusk patrol
Yeah basically
rocky gale
We need more PDF wins, so how about a Chaos novel about a PDF Regiment getting corrupted and luring multiple Regiments of Guard into a trap and slaughtering them.
wraith quartz
Oooooh
dusk patrol
Something where the threat can be dealt with if it’s found
wraith quartz
Ok that's all the time that I have rn.
paper haven
We need more PDF wins, so how about a Chaos novel about a PDF Regiment getting c...
That would be cool, but the odds are heavily stacked against the PDF. I do love an underdog tale.
thorn zenith
We need more PDF wins, so how about a Chaos novel about a PDF Regiment getting c...
I would love an inverse of that and have the normal PDF do the winning, because i do not like how people get better when theyre bad guys
thorn zenith
Ok that's all the time that I have rn.
And to be honest, hive cities are big enough to fit whatever you want in there and i think that was intentional
wraith quartz
I gotta clock in for my 72hr (8 1/2 hr) shift at the consignment-yard hzd-553 (distribution warehouse)
(Meaning I gotta get to work)
paper haven
Hive cities are massive
dusk patrol
Source?
rocky gale
The plot would be about a Spurned PDF general angry and jealous that the other regiments get all the glory
dusk patrol
False I just asked her
storm jungle
BRUH
dusk patrol
And she said your mom is fat
storm jungle
dusk patrol
storm jungle
augGH-
paper haven
Isn't Darktide itself about a spurned PDF unit turning to chaos?
rocky gale
Na
dusk patrol
Isn't Darktide itself about a spurned PDF unit turning to chaos?
No they’re an elite regiment
thorn zenith
Nah, the bad guys were proper guardsmen regiment
dusk patrol
The forces we fight with are more similar to PDF
thorn zenith
And a cult
dusk patrol
Although they’re also guard still
rocky gale
Moebian 6th were basically a poster boys elite regiment of the Moebian Domain
dusk patrol
Yeah they’re compared to like, Catachan and Mordians and shit
thorn zenith
Moebian 6th. Returned and redeemed
paper haven
Sucks that they got fed feet first into a meat grinder
dusk patrol
The cream of the crop guard
dusk patrol
Sucks that they got fed feet first into a meat grinder
That’s why you don’t do chaos kids
You lose main character status
paper haven
I do love a good redemption story
thorn zenith
Sucks that they got fed feet first into a meat grinder
They just fell wholesale lmao, not even slaughtered just got redeemed
arctic talon
Sucks that they got fed feet first into a meat grinder
The Moebian 6th pretty much shattered in 2 lol
dusk patrol
I’m redeeming them
arctic talon
The traitor side won
dusk patrol
With my club
thorn zenith
The ones slaughtered would be the Moebian 21st sent to see whats up
arctic talon
Oh
dusk patrol
There’s brief mentions of them culling the loyalist elements when they started turning I believe
arctic talon
The new skulls tell us more about how they fell to chaos
paper haven
"Hey, 6th, we've been hearing some weird vox chatter and just wanted to check in. You doing ok, buddy?"
arctic talon
And uh they got sent to what seems like a very chaosy world
Lol
Like super natural plagues, ghosts and all that
Lol
paper haven
Bonk
thorn zenith
Inquisition warbands getting slaughtered wholesale
And theres 4 goons killing entire sectors every damn mission
paper haven
The power scaling is all over the place
dusk patrol
I cast this roll
dusk patrol
But yeah being serious
arctic talon
A regiment is not that large lol
dusk patrol
It’s probably a lot less goofy in lore
paper haven
In one mission you got four former convicts killing 2 thousand of them
dusk patrol
It’s just science
thorn zenith
Yeah, potential canon being that 4 yahoos are finishing suicide missions and getting out alive
storm jungle
Well thats the thing
people always say "oh you are just hobos" when like, no you arent
by level 30 you are proper Inquisition agents
green loom
Yeah, potential canon being that 4 yahoos are finishing suicide missions and get...
This is my canon
paper haven
Meanwhile they're wiping the floor with Inquisitors and their warbands and proper imperial guard regiments
thorn zenith
Not even hardass ex guard veteran, but straight up comedy crew
storm jungle
Yeah but all of it is explained through the game
people just cant read or have ears
💀
dusk patrol
The absurd numbers we face really isn’t
storm jungle
I mean it kinda is though?
dusk patrol
I would say recruit is probably more canon levels
storm jungle
You are Inquisition agents + most of the enemies you kill are canon fodder
dusk patrol
You’re killing literally thousands of elite dudes every single mission
storm jungle
not thousands
most missions barely reach that point
unless you are literally playing on busted difficulties
dusk patrol
That’s my point
paper haven
Yeah but there's still a few hundred proper soldiers among those few thousands
thorn zenith
You are Inquisition agents + most of the enemies you kill are canon fodder
It does get pretty absurd when you have 50 people crawling out of every crevices in an engagement on diff 4 and 5
dusk patrol
I would say the lowest difficulties are what’s “canon”
storm jungle
It does get pretty absurd when you have 50 people crawling out of every crevices...
Yeah because difficulties are not suppose to be lore accurate
like
arctic talon
Auric high intensity shock trooper gauntlet
storm jungle
this game literally had 7 black library authors work on it
and EVERYTHING in this game goes through GW
dusk patrol
That’s what we’re saying
thorn zenith
Yeah because difficulties are not suppose to be lore accurate
Thats what we are saying my man
storm jungle
Thats what we are saying my man
THATS WHAT IVE BEEN SAYING
dusk patrol
Boo!
paper haven
So. Everyone is saying the same thing?
storm jungle
Yes
paper haven
Cool
thorn zenith
In 3 slightly different ways
dusk patrol
So. Everyone is saying the same thing?
No I am agreeing with you therefore you’re wrong and I’m right
storm jungle
Anyway basically the issue is people that dont play the game like everyone in r40klore assume you are literally just homeless people too
thorn zenith
And this is how RELIGIOUS SCHISM happens
thorn zenith
Grab your gun lads and lasses we are committing heresy
arctic talon
The zealot is literally the least competent ironically
storm jungle
you also got a Cadian that survived the cracking of his entire planet
dusk patrol
The zealot is literally the least competent ironically
Oh yeah then why do they have the hammer?
paper haven
I mean, I get that the players aren't just a bunch of hobos.
green loom
when like, almost everyone minus the zealots are combat-hardened to a degree
Even the zealots are at least ghetto lynchers
arctic talon
you also got a Cadian that survived the cracking of his entire planet
2 of them
dusk patrol
That’s one of the 39,999 hammers
storm jungle
Even the zealots are at least ghetto lynchers
LMFAO
green loom
Or active arsonist fanatics
dusk patrol
Lynching ain’t easy
arctic talon
fanatic burns an entire hab block
Based?
thorn zenith
The zealot is literally the least competent ironically
The judge maybe not, he seems to have a bit of experience. Fanatic and agitator however, are complete yahoos propped up by sheer faith and loko
paper haven
Except the zealots. They kinda just showed up one day
green loom
isn't judge also a vigilante
storm jungle
yeah what elephant said
dusk patrol
They get by on effort
storm jungle
like you arent playing randos, you are playing pre-set characters
arctic talon
The judge maybe not, he seems to have a bit of experience. Fanatic and agitator ...
This is true
arctic talon
Yeah the characters have preset personalities lol
storm jungle
yeah you very much are playing an actual cast
green loom
But Dilara they have no character!!1!!
storm jungle
💀
rocky gale
All of my characters used to be Sororitas, it's canon because I wrote it myself 
storm jungle
NO CLOUT
thorn zenith
The veterans are actual veterans, ogryns are ogryns and veterans
1 psyker was a cop, 1 got legit skills, and 1 got an actual ass shard of emperor helping them
paper haven
Soroitas cosmetics when?
thorn zenith
Then you get the "so fuckass mad they refuse to die" zealots
storm jungle
Honestly thats the thing
arctic talon
I wish they’d have gone with a proper named cast I’ll say
Same
storm jungle
you are a named cast
rocky gale
Soroitas cosmetics when?
thorn zenith
you just dont have names
True, they refer to each others by their archtypes and personalities
storm jungle
like id rather take the 21 personalities being actual pre-set characters, maybe the only customisation you can do is change their appearance but the game still says this is an actual character
arctic talon
like id rather take the 21 personalities being actual pre-set characters, maybe ...
I agree tbh
storm jungle
like selecting saltzpyre and changing his skintone, hair, height whatever but hes still him
paper haven
I actually like how the game does that
thorn zenith
Theu even have lores that involve each others
green loom
I feel like they're characters in the same way the uhhh
Darkest Dungeon characters are
thorn zenith
Like how an ogryn got sick in a drop and barfed all over the agitator (maybe, the scottish one) zealot
storm jungle
^
thorn zenith
And the loose cannon vet being a god damn kleptomaniac that the savant psyker always has to hold back
paper haven
You can get the storytelling of preset characters but there's enough customization and options that players feel like they're playing their character instead of a prewritten one
arctic talon
Tbf people get attached to the “canon” names of the darkest dungeon characters
storm jungle
Loose also has fought orks, tau and chaos marines lol
NO BACKSTORY THOUGH
WE PROMISE
arctic talon
Loose also has fought orks, tau and chaos marines lol
Ironic that professional hasn’t fought csm before
thorn zenith
NO BACKSTORY THOUGH
I mean technically you can choose their origins to some level, but very overarching
dusk patrol
like id rather take the 21 personalities being actual pre-set characters, maybe ...
It’s gotten better since launch but I still imo prefer how Vermintide does it
arctic talon
But has fought drukhari lol
storm jungle
Yeah same
dusk patrol
The banter and character growth between the squad unironically makes the game for me
storm jungle
Its just a "why" decision but since they pretty much are pre-set characters in all but name you end up not really caring.
dusk patrol
Beyond the gameplay being solid
storm jungle
Also that yeah
like i said the L4D survivors literally became a part of internet culture because of their banter
and this was in 2009
lol
same applies to Vermintide, their impact wasnt as big but everyone loves them
thorn zenith
I mean, L4D seems to have pioneered the whole thing too
storm jungle
Well yeah it is the grandfather of the genre
thorn zenith
Damn game is burnt into my memory and i will love it until the day i die
storm jungle
people say a "l4d clone" when like... no its a genre lol
its like calling Cod a "half life clone"
paper haven
L4D was groundbreaking
thorn zenith
Isnt it tho
storm jungle
arctic talon
Cod is a doom clone
storm jungle
Im gonna kill you
arctic talon
thorn zenith
paper haven
Doom was a pacman clone
arctic talon
Pac-Man was a pong clone
paper haven
Pong was a tennis clone
dusk patrol
Chess was a checkers clone
storm jungle
also you joke but cod players instantly go to Vet
then be like
"WHAT IS THIS POINTY STICK? I GOTTA MELEE???"
i actually cant believe people complain about a 40k game having melee combat
dusk patrol
Hey if you stay on low enough difficulty you can do that as much as you want
storm jungle
Darktide is probably one of the best examples to also point at when people go "why do people in 40k use melee"
arctic talon
You can’t use a gun
On a horde of zombies super natural
You will literally run out of ammo
storm jungle
On a horde of zombies super natural
thorn zenith
also you joke but cod players instantly go to Vet
Do NOT even get me started on the console players tendency to instantly jump into hard mode on any game with crossplay then die because they had not learned the game
storm jungle
arctic talon
Also the gunners in darktide are part of some in regiment storm trooper corp lol
Which means they’d have carapace
paper haven
Playing damnation.
"This game is so stupid my gun does zero damage."
arctic talon
Idk
storm jungle
no wait carapace has the armor "tink" when you shoot it my bad
arctic talon
I usually just saw them head first
storm jungle
the blue sparkles
thorn zenith
They got all the armor in the world and our boys run around in prison shirt
paper haven
Turn a corner, fifteen gunners look up at you, die.
storm jungle
well going by "lore-accurate" cutscenes everyone is armored to some degree.
its only like zealots who dont wear any armor
thorn zenith
Especially ogryn whose default outfits consist of god damn tanktops and unlockable half chestplate
paper haven
its only like zealots who dont wear any armor
Yeah but zealots are lunatics.
thorn zenith
Give my boy some proper armor
thorn zenith
Yeah but zealots are lunatics.
Yeah nah zealots have FAITH and CRAZY
dusk patrol
arctic talon
shield vs skull
paper haven
Only gunlugger
dusk patrol
thorn zenith
Skullbreaker slap only
paper haven
Turn off brain. Bully heretics.
thorn zenith
The pimp run
I still fondly remember clutching a fight with an ogryn and demolishing an entire horde
Ogryn is best
plush mason
its only like zealots who dont wear any armor
why have armor when can have faith?
storm jungle
plush mason
thats basically how i see most zealot armors
they are expecting the emperor to save them
which is very fitting
raven stone
To be fair, I kind of assume their armour is beneath all their robes
I mean, if Dark Angels have robes over power armour..
plush mason
nah they only use a little bit of armor
its classic ecclisiarchy/cult of redemption
hell the zealot full on has house cawdor masks
next to no armor, just faith fury and fire
yeah once i looked back at house cawdor it became very clear where the zealot's look got inspired
arctic talon
Zealot is cawdor but not garbage collectors
plush mason
yup
plush mason
yeah
arctic talon
yes I know the catholic church also has a similiar like hood but like
this just looks like the Klan to me
plush mason
oh cawdor has one too
also
is that a giant crossbow with shaped charge rocket being loaded into it?
fuck the more i look into this gang the more i like them
the dude on the right has a rip off guardian spear lmao
plush mason
yeah they are a lot cooler than i first thought, originally it was Esher and Goliath for me
celest dome
the dude on the right has a rip off guardian spear lmao
I've suggested so many Cawdor weapons before 
Orlok just feel lambda/vanilla
arctic talon
Orlok just feel lambda/vanilla
Orlok are the vanilla gang like explictly lol
they're jacks of all trades
also ig decent durability
plush mason
yeah versatility reliability and durability are the hallmarks of the brotherhood of iron
celest dome
Orlok are the vanilla gang like explictly lol
But st the same time it feel like they don't have a theme in themselves
Like giving them some Iron Hand like aspects with upgrades
arctic talon
Their theme is just industrial output and like
celest dome
Would be nice enough
plush mason
they are just a biker gang mixed with a mining crew afaik
which is very fitting given they run mines and the transport system to and from them
celest dome
I hope they re-expand the gangs like they did in old time
storm jungle
this just looks like the Klan to me
Its why they got scrapped lmfao
some people were very upset by it after seeing the new redemptionist models 💀
plush mason
i can see why
plush mason
yeah thats badass
storm jungle
I do think the pointed hoods is a cool look and has actual historic ties, the issue is the klan ruined it for everyone so alternative is pretty good too
storm jungle
all the House books did
it was a big revamp
Delaque for example just went from being TF2 Spy the House™️ to sci-fi high-tech cthulu worshippers
plush mason
its funny the klan which was made up of protestants opted to use a catholic hood, guess they got tired of the white burlap sacks lol
arctic talon
oh god they have Grav chutes lol
arctic talon
unfortunate for them
some of the new cawdor still have the pointed hoods
just not the redemptionists anymore
celest dome
https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-finn-poe-dameron-they-fly-now-fly-gif-25032438
Fairness there had been flying units in Necromunda
plush mason
oh i just mean, image being a juv and seeing that for the first time
azure knoll
what is actually the astronomican?
rose thorn
oh god they have Grav chutes lol
Love orlocks! First and only time I played Necromunda I played them. I lost every game lmao
celest dome
what is actually the astronomican?
Psychic Lighthouse
azure knoll
just saw a video where the guy said the emperor was getting power from the astronomican and it confused me heavily due to me thinking, up until now, that it is just a psychic lighthouse created by the emperor's immense psychic might
celest dome
Love orlocks! First and only time I played Necromunda I played them. I lost ever...
Before the release of House of Chsin ?
celest dome
just saw a video where the guy said the emperor was getting power from the astro...
Other way around d
rose thorn
Before the release of House of Chsin ?
after
I even did all the meta shit
But kept getting bodied
So hard I was like, 1 k credits behind?
azure knoll
so it is a psychic lighthouse (an object? a dark age relic?) that Emps took energy from and is now connected to and empowering?
rose thorn
I was apparently really fun to fight
azure knoll
course you were if you were 1k points behind
rose thorn
One game literally half my gang died
And my gang leader literally died twice
66 and all
celest dome
so it is a psychic lighthouse (an object? a dark age relic?) that Emps took ener...
Nah its made out of the Emperor's Psychic power
celest dome
Pharos was an ancient Relic
celest dome
wait is necromunda no chaos?
Necromunda has rules for both Chaos and GSC gangs
azure knoll
are these squats? not the xenos species, but bonafide squats?
celest dome
Yea
azure knoll
oh yeah
celest dome
are these *squats*? not the xenos species, but bonafide squats?
Kins aren't really Xenos
azure knoll
not really but they ain't the imperium either
and what isn't chaos or the imperium is, by the imperium definition, xenos
green loom
"Squat" is a slur the imperials use
green loom
and what isn't chaos or the imperium is, by the imperium definition, xenos
Abhumans/traitors are still a thing
azure knoll
well, mutants exist, but i don't think there are that many mutant threats out there
oh shit nevermind taking all this back
green loom
Yeah like
Abhumans and mutants in general are pretty commonplace on the galactic scale
celest dome
oh shit nevermind taking all this back
Not stable mutation
rose thorn
are these *squats*? not the xenos species, but bonafide squats?
Yes, squats, beastmen, and genestealer cults, but don’t let that pressure you from not using xenos! I see a lot of people kroot as venators
azure knoll
idc for xenos, honestly
celest dome
Tbh Kroot with Tau work wonderfully for Vaan Sarr
azure knoll
not that much lore from what i know, the lore there is either doesn't interest me or is attached to factions i'm not a big fan of, and most models are old as shit
rose thorn
HYPE
On topic of xenos
Yea
76 mainly
But zetans have appeared in every fallout game
Very excited for next wasteland warfare wave
/ factions
plush mason
damn Eisenhorn has some fancy kit
arctic talon
In every single mainline fallout game ever made yes
plush mason
and somehow they are the one of the least weird things in that setting
dusk patrol
Currently there’s a lot in 76 which is mostly what you’re seeing there
I think it’s implied or said that plasma tech is loosely based off alientech recovered?
plush mason
are they actually aliens or just some strange vault tech thing?
arctic talon
are they actually aliens or just some strange vault tech thing?
Aliens from outer space
plush mason
so yeah, one of the least weird things in fallout lol
plush mason
They try to invade Appalachia every summer
given all the nukes being dropped there i say let them have it
dusk patrol
Somehow theyre one of the least concerning things around still
dusk patrol
Well they kinda do
rose thorn
Their special event is their brain stealing device
arctic talon
Oh
rose thorn
One of*
dusk patrol
They’re just small in numbers and more about abducting and brain wave stealing
They’re pretty evil in Fallout 3
arctic talon
This is true
plush mason
Their special event is their brain stealing device
omg they are literally just green furions from destroy all humans lol
dusk patrol
They’re just also kinda goofy and incompetent
dusk patrol
There’s also Homer Saperstein, a very human dude whose trying to help his fellow humans beat the aliens and he only talks over the radio because he can’t make it he swears
rose thorn
Excited for their wasteland warfare / faction faction rules
Supposedly it has to do with teleportation
crystal forum
i might catch flak for this
dusk patrol
I hope you do
crystal forum
but the alien DLC was not a needed experience
dusk patrol
It wasn’t needed but it was a fun detour
crystal forum
felt like a south park game sidequest than anything
dusk patrol
Well Fallout is kinda that sometimes
crystal forum
what do you mean
there's a thin line between ridiculous and serious in fallout
i dont want to be that guy
but fallout new vegas only had good DLC's
and old world blues was just stupid enough to be great
dusk patrol
Old World Blues has a seeding device which tries to seduce the garden it’s in until the garden leaves and it seeds itself to death
And light switches which argue
rose thorn
Have sex with the light switches
dire apex
dusk patrol
Ok but my point is aliens isn’t even top ten most bizarre things in fallout
crystal forum
you're right
dusk patrol
They’re just kinda a part of the aesthetic
I don’t think mothership zeta was great but was a fun little unique spinoff
crystal forum
but the game did not need a whole ass DLC about what was essentially just a reoccurring easter egg of the series
i do give fallout 3 many points for the pit and point lookout though
i LOVE point lookout
rocky gale
Eww
crystal forum
underrated DLC
dusk patrol
In general I don’t think I’ve disliked male fallout dlc
Some of the 4 dlc was a bit meh
But it was just flavor mostly
arctic talon
Nuka world lul
dusk patrol
I didn’t hate it
arctic talon
Far harbor is good though
dusk patrol
Nuka World I loved tbh
crystal forum
the bot DLC was just.. why
crystal forum
fallout 4 had so many weird mechanics tacked onto it
dusk patrol
Far Harbor is by far the best t
arctic talon
Far harbor is by far the best expansion they made
crystal forum
far harbor beats them all obviously
rocky gale
Nuka World is odd because it's a great DLC if you want to be a raider, but like if you don't then it's basically just 10 minutes of shooting everyone and then leaving
rose thorn
Fallout 4 dlcs are amazing
dusk patrol
Imo it’s the best fallout dlc ever
rose thorn
Nuka World is odd because it's a great DLC if you want to be a raider, but like ...
Yeha
crystal forum
Imo it’s the best fallout dlc ever
my personal choice is dead money
arctic talon
Imo it’s the best fallout dlc ever
Yeah it’s def in my like top 3
They cooked
With far harbor
rose thorn
Far harbor iss my favorite dlc of all the fallout games
arctic talon
Dead money is good imo but it’s also dead money
dusk patrol
Honest Hearts I’d put last for NV as much as I love Joshua Graham
arctic talon
Which makes it divisive
dusk patrol
Dead Money has…issues
crystal forum
you either love dead money or you hate it
dusk patrol
It’s great but yeah
rose thorn
I appreciate getting all of them to cooperate is a pain in the ass
arctic talon
Honest Hearts I’d put last for NV as much as I love Joshua Graham
Honest hearts feels a bit weak for it’s endings
crystal forum
i love its ambience
arctic talon
I like dead money tbh
dusk patrol
Yeah it’s carried hard by the Burned Man
arctic talon
But I need to be in the mood for it
arctic talon
Also the ghost men are cool
rose thorn
I love dead money
dusk patrol
My hottest fallout take is Ulysses is kinda a lame character who they just forest gumped in there
crystal forum
i like how personal he is with the courrier
dusk patrol
It feels forced to me
crystal forum
it's like he sits you down as the player and talks to you
but i get why some people wouldn't enjoy it
dusk patrol
I don’t hate it but I think he’s overrated a bit
Graham is great though and there’s no bad fallout NV dlcs
Old World Blues is probably the best I’d personally say
crystal forum
also his outfit is so fucking funny to me because he literally has a straight up IRL 3M half face respirator
which i own several of
crystal forum
yeah i agree
the mask should have been different if they wanted the cool voice effect
dusk patrol
He just seems so pathetic if you think about his whole deal and the funniest thing is if you play your courier as not caring
crystal forum
but his voice is already butter smooth so it was uneeded
dusk patrol
Especially if you just snipe him as soon as you see him
It makes the whole dlc almost comedic
dusk patrol
Cause you’re just being badgered by this long winded dork
And then you just pop him when you finally meet him
crystal forum
devs did it cheeky
if you ignore him you're kind of the asshole he says you are
and it's up to you
i mostly liked that DLC for sniping deathclaws accross the map with an anti material rifle
dusk patrol
He does have a great voice actor though
rose thorn
Ulysses is pretty good, he’s mainly a tool from the devs to hit everyone on the back of the head
If you are like, not insane
He’s fine
dusk patrol
I don’t think he’s that deep though
He’s got some good dialogue but he thinks way too highly of himself
rose thorn
His entire dialogue is just telling you why every option is terrible
crystal forum
i think the writers put a lot of thought into him
dusk patrol
When he’s just kinda a vengeful nutter
crystal forum
oh fuck i forgot
dusk patrol
He has no solutions
rose thorn
When he’s just kinda a vengeful nutter
Yeah
crystal forum
the best part of honest hearts is the survivor
writers went balls to the wall for a minor location
i love it
and his gun HAS FRENCH ON IT
because he was stationed where i live 
and shot canadians
one of the only times canada has any relevance in fallout
rocky gale
Unfortunately as far as I'm aware Fallout 4 has no special dialogue options for 1 Int characters, making it and all of it's DLC's completely unplayable
crystal forum
fallout 4 could have been much better if they didn't do so many cinematic choices
like the character having a voice reducing the amount of dialogue by 70% because voice acting is time consuming and expensive
dusk patrol
Unfortunately as far as I'm aware Fallout 4 has no special dialogue options for ...
There’s some stuff
crystal forum
it was so unneeded
crystal forum
like imagine all the dev time that could have gone to other things if they didn't do settlements
dusk patrol
Your poor mom trying to explain to you what she needs you to do
And then you somehow do it
crystal forum
frustrates me. i have low expectations for fallout 5 and that's not a pessimistic attitude
dusk patrol
Idk, I was happy with Fallout 4, it’s got some failings but
At least I don’t hate myself during the gameplay
crystal forum
bethesda has been going downhill for a while and starfield isn't the lowest they'll go
rocky gale
The 1 Int option in New Vegas with Fantastic is always great because it convinces him that you're smarter than he is.
dusk patrol
Holy shit is NV and F3s gunplay bad
crystal forum
i'm not comparing those games
they did doom super good too
it's just recently they've been doing dog shit
rocky gale
I heard in the latest Starfield patch they made it so you can now manually place things inside your ship instead of it being all automatic
rose thorn
Unfortunately as far as I'm aware Fallout 4 has no special dialogue options for ...
Nah
crystal forum
i dont want a new vegas remake personally. they'll find a way to make it shit
rose thorn
There ain’t any
Isn’t any*
I think there’s a single skill check
You can pass with low int
From the uh, boat
crystal forum
Idk, I was happy with Fallout 4, it’s got some failings but
also just to be clear i'm not a twitter weirdo. i won't shit on you for liking the game
dusk patrol
No I get where you’re coming from
They definitely stripped down a lot of mechanics
I hope they add them back
And learn from the criticism
We’ll see
rose thorn
Idk, I was happy with Fallout 4, it’s got some failings but
Fallout 4 is technically the best fallout game, but damn
I wish it was better lmao
rose thorn
And learn from the criticism
They did for 76
dusk patrol
I think people are definitely way overly harsh with it
But I get the general critiques
And don’t disagree with a lot of them
crystal forum
the main thing i dislike about it is that it set in stone what "modern" fallout is like
but i hope that'll change
i want the vibes of the earlier fallouts with better mechanics for sure
arctic talon
I think 4 had a lot of good gameplay elements
I enjoyed the whole modular gun system
Except for the consolidation of pistols and rifles
For plasma and laser weapons
dusk patrol
The settlement system is really good imo it’s just it needed more to it for purpose
arctic talon
Also 4’s dialogue options are kind of ass
rose thorn
imma be real i really dont like plasma and laser lmao
dusk patrol
Which ironically fallout 76 does way better
arctic talon
Only getting 4 is lame
rose thorn
fallout story does alot of things preetty good
crystal forum
and settlements being just a thing with no depth
arctic talon
imma be real i really dont like plasma and laser lmao
I’m shooting you with the wazer wifle
rose thorn
in 4
arctic talon
Power armor in 4 is sick
rose thorn
fr
rose thorn
theres a mod that makes it pretty good
crystal forum
normal armour is pretty stupid looking
arctic talon
People saying that them running out of power ruins lore is stupid
Because gameplay isn’t really super lore complaint anyways
crystal forum
fallout was never about lore anyways
arctic talon
I don’t think some raider explodes in a burst of radiation lol and mutates
crystal forum
if you're a fallout fan you should not care about lore that much
rose thorn
yee i know
arctic talon
if you're a fallout fan you should not care about lore that much
I don’t care about lore tbh
rose thorn
god iw anan play a wasteland warfare campaign so bad
arctic talon
For fallout at all
Well I care at a surface level lol
But it doesn’t go past that
rose thorn
but its still being ported to tabletop sim
arctic talon
except when it used to
Me when ghoul lore
rose thorn
here is a good question
crystal forum
or super mutant lore
rose thorn
what is everyoens thoughts on synths
crystal forum
i have 1 good thing to say about them
at least bethesda tried making something new
arctic talon
what is everyoens thoughts on synths
They’re cool
The institute sorta sucks balls as a faction though lol
arctic talon
Same with the railroad
And the minutemen
And the brotherhood
I don’t like the factions in 4
rose thorn
i lvoe railroad on a personal level
rocky gale
All the factions in 4 are pretty meh
rose thorn
like very day people being spies adn sneaky
arctic talon
Railroad would have been better if they were anti slavery in general
crystal forum
bethesda bringing back the children of the atom all the time is genuinely annoying
arctic talon
I wish 4 had more idk
rose thorn
to be fair they are only east cost
arctic talon
Diversity within the factions themselves?
crystal forum
they literally nuked themselves in 3
rose thorn
and 4
crystal forum
they're in 76 too right
arctic talon
You can nuke them in far harbor lol
rose thorn
no
rose thorn
You can nuke them in far harbor lol
theres one guy you can talk to who really wants to be nuked
i cant remember hs name
ehr
her
crystal forum
it's pretty clear why the show went for west coast. there's nothing salvageable on east coast for a script
like wtf would the show have been about? preston garvey's door dash service?
crystal forum
of course
rose thorn
fallout canada when
arctic talon
fallout canada when
Todd says no
crystal forum
they'd lose their target demographic (americans)
arctic talon
rose thorn
OH YEAH atlantic city is relaly neat
rose thorn
they'd lose their target demographic (americans)
thef allout servers im in are mostly europeans lmao
arctic talon
Either way I’m still not sure if they moved shady sands or not
Because the passage of time in the show seems fucked
All I know is they end up back in LA by the end of it
crystal forum
just be sure of this
arctic talon
No like I’m confused if they moved it to LA
crystal forum
if china gets any relevance in the show it's probably uh
rose thorn
ohhh
crystal forum
to attract foreign interest
arctic talon
if china gets any relevance in the show it's probably uh
China dropped the nukes first as far as we know
crystal forum
fallout has a reputation of not giving a shit about the chinese side of the story
arctic talon
House in that meeting looks like he wants to kill himself lol
arctic talon
fallout has a reputation of not giving a shit about the chinese side of the stor...
I liked the Chinese guy in 4
rose thorn
fallout 76 has alot of chinese lore
arctic talon
And the shi are interesting
crystal forum
not actual china
arctic talon
fallout 76 has alot of chinese lore
The funny drone of doom
rose thorn
lmao
crystal forum
it's usually chinese stuff happening in the US
arctic talon
Yeah and I doubt Bethesda is ever gona touch on China personally
crystal forum
they might
arctic talon
Maybe
crystal forum
i think they'd be that desperate
rose thorn
not until the irl china falls /j
arctic talon
Lol
rose thorn
i buy too much warhamemr form china
crystal forum
do you guys know the origin story of why china is the enemy in fallout and not the soviets
rose thorn
do you guys know the origin story of why china is the enemy in fallout and not t...
yeah, the cold war didnt happen
crystal forum
nope
arctic talon
Idk
crystal forum
the guy who created fallout was drafting the story in his appartement and he heard a bunch of drunk russians yelling outside his window. he though "how could this country ever be a world power" and went with china
paraphrasing but that's the jist of the story
arctic talon
He has not heard drunk Chinese yelling outside his window smh
crystal forum
this was in the late 90's
arctic talon
Yeah I know
crystal forum
just for context
arctic talon
Soviet Union was in decline at the time
crystal forum
since china wasn't as big as it is now
arctic talon
Yep
crystal forum
soviets are in lore though funny enough
crystal forum
nobody had oil by the time of the final war
crystal forum
fallout is like one great warning story about relying on fossil fuels
rose thorn
the guy who created fallout was drafting the story in his appartement and he hea...
oh out of lore
crystal forum
Alaska no?
yeah that was one of the last reserves
rose thorn
and imperialism
crystal forum
shame that it never gets deep enough
muh evil vault tech is such a better story i guess
rose thorn
the show or the games?
crystal forum
the games
rose thorn
literally imperialism and war is bad is the entire story of the games
arctic talon
What about Big MT smh
crystal forum
the whole resource wars was never a main part of the setting
crystal forum
literally imperialism and war is bad is the entire story of the games
it's never the main theme though
i guess war is bad yeah
but imperialism is just like... a thing i guess?
rose thorn
the entire war and end of the world was because of imperialism
crystal forum
that's just background story
rose thorn
yeah but that is also the main story
crystal forum
in which game
crystal forum
the game's stories are never about the war itself
rose thorn
LITERALLY IS
rose thorn
the game's stories are never about the war itself
THAT LITERALLY IS WHY EVERY GAME STARTS WITH WAR WAR NEVER CHANGES
WAR IS BAD IS THE ENTIRE POINT
crystal forum
not the great war though
rose thorn
YES
crystal forum
it's not a part of the story
rose thorn
IT IS
crystal forum
in what way is fallout 3 about the great war
rose thorn
enclave
literally one of the direct causes
of the great war
pre war america
imperialism america
crystal forum
does that happen in the game or in the events prior to the game taking place?
rose thorn
bakc to the common wealth attempting to clense the wasteland into the prewar glory
crystal forum
again that's background information
rose thorn
does that happen in the game or in the events prior to the game taking place?
Literally teh great war si why encalve exists
literally with out background information tehre wouldnt be a story
crystal forum
is darktide about the horus heresy
rose thorn
it is a consequence of the horus heresy
rose thorn
thats the point of a hobby
rose thorn
Fr
dusk patrol
the entire war and end of the world was because of imperialism
I mean it’s more than that
rose thorn
but right before the great war the us became a dictatorship
dusk patrol
The main crux was the US had fusion tech and no one else had it so they were energy capable but others weren’t, and it kept escalating
rose thorn
humans suck
fr
storm jungle
Yeah everyone is more or less the bad guy basically
just like real life superpowers!
dusk patrol
Basically
storm jungle
dusk patrol
China is supposed to have fired first but we know everyone was willing to and kept pushing the bar
storm jungle
yeah like U.S/China are not exactly paragons of virtue by any means either lol
dusk patrol
The real good guy is how awesome you look in power armor
storm jungle
the first game literally opens with U.S power-armored troops murdering civillians
storm jungle
The real good guy is how awesome you look in power armor
also this
dusk patrol
Oh yeah, how come they mostly died then?
rocky gale
anyway the responders are the best fallout faction
Tunnel Snakes Rule
rose thorn
Tunnel Snakes Rule
the eral faction debate
storm jungle
This entire exchange made me wheeze 💀
rose thorn
the responders are so based...
storm jungle
also its not their fault Bethesda cant write
dusk patrol
Hey it’s not like Obsidian was coming up with only original factions too let’s be fair
“What if gang that liked Elvis”
dusk patrol
“What if gang but find explosives”
storm jungle
but that is probably the most realistic faction
rose thorn
FR
dusk patrol
Probably lol
storm jungle
like people like that exist IRL
rocky gale
Don't insult the Kings
dusk patrol
I can and I will
storm jungle
bastard
dusk patrol
Thank you very much
storm jungle
he aint got NO rhythm
rocky gale
You mock them now, but just you wait
dusk patrol
The fact that you never have a dance off with the kings
Is kinda a huge plot hole tbh
rocky gale
The Kings and the Tunnel Snakes will one day meet and become a power to reunify East and West
rose thorn
join the kings in order to find the only place in the mojave wher eyou can get a haircut
dusk patrol
Me, choosing the most irrational and bizarre faction choices just so I piss Ulysses off more when he gives me his stupid monologues
rose thorn
Me, choosing the most irrational and bizarre faction choices just so I piss Ulys...
"the bear, the bull? im the kings baby"
dusk patrol
Unironically I like the played straight house ending the most cause it’s just your courier doing the job they were paid for super super well
rose thorn
we should write a fallout state...
dusk patrol
Literally just “Politics? Can I spend that?”
rocky gale
we should write a fallout state...
You just know if someone ever makes Fallout New Mexico it's going to be filled with Breaking Bad references
rose thorn
"Big U, i just otta say. Ulysses? more like Ulyssee these hands"
rose thorn
You just know if someone ever makes Fallout New Mexico it's going to be filled w...
its a mod for fallout 2
it already exists
its been out for liek, i wanan say 7 years?
its really really good
paper haven
Rip
dusk patrol
You just know if someone ever makes Fallout New Mexico it's going to be filled w...
throws a Salisbury steak on the roof
rose thorn
also
rose thorn
You just know if someone ever makes Fallout New Mexico it's going to be filled w...
my favorite russian american content creator
rose thorn
You just know if someone ever makes Fallout New Mexico it's going to be filled w...
it just got a dlc sized update
well
dlc
i think, the english translation is still a wip
rocky gale
That's Mexico, not New Mexico
rose thorn
oh
paper haven
Do mods count as DLC?
rose thorn
Do mods count as DLC?
yes
rocky gale
Ye I meant New Mexico like the US state where Breaking Bad takes place
paper haven
Too late. Now you must measure your addiction
rose thorn
Too late. Now you must measure your addiction
it hink its about 2gb atm
ALL STARFIELD HAD TO DO WAS BE BETTER THEN OUTERWORLDS
THAT WAS IT
paper haven
Oh. You already have. Didn't expect that.
paper haven
ALL STARFIELD HAD TO DO WAS BE BETTER THEN OUTERWORLDS
Tod Howard doesn't do well with competition.
rose thorn
Tod Howard doesn't do well with competition.
THE COMPETITION DIED YEARS AGOOO
rose thorn
i also have a fallut texas campaign going
paper haven
Wait until the next update breaks those doors
It's so joever.
Can't wait for the flood of people insisting Starfield "Is good now."
rose thorn
Can't wait for the flood of people insisting Starfield "Is good now."
3 years...
my bet
3 years
paper haven
How long was it for 76?
rose thorn
1 year
it got good with the wastelanders update
like
really good
and they balanced the game
paper haven
I'm skeptical but haven't played it so I will defer to your expertise.
rose thorn
I'm skeptical but haven't played it so I will defer to your expertise.
okay so
they fixed
alot
alot alot
paper haven
Ok. Fixing broken things is the bare minimum
paper haven
I mean, I'm glad they did it