40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

children arent the most critical people

[arctic talon]

because JK Rowling names

[dire apex]

Same reason Disney adults are a thing, in fact mostly the same people

[crisp heath]

I am the brand I worship

My life for Walt Disney

[storm jungle]

Walt Disney trying to out-do a planetary governor on the amount of shitty rich-guy things he can do challenge

💀

"Cryogenically freeze me"

[crisp heath]

Erm, that was actually the nuka cola dude from the fallout 4 dlc🤓☝️

[storm jungle]

AAAA

[dire apex]

Walt Disney waking up from cryostasis to discover that Jews run his company

[rocky gale]

[storm jungle]

GOD

💀

[crisp heath]

Going back to dwarves, Malakai being a total war lord was unexpected

Sick though

Not buying it still cause I keep losing on easy difficulty 😔

[celest dome]

I'm annoyed at him being a lord

Should have been a LH at most

[crisp heath]

My thought

[viral halo]

there are very few pictures taken of Walt Disney where he does not have a cigarette in hand, therefore in pics of him throughout the amusement parks they've had to photoshop his hand into a pointing gesture. So you see a bajillion pics of walt pointing instead of holding a cig.

[crystal forum]

walt disney's crew used to get drunk and draw their characters naked true story

[tough haven]

Fr I love him

[viral halo]

They were real gooners

[viral halo]

Dude was like hmmm yes I’ll shall name my whimsical little hobby after this city in Spain

Ah yes a tree with a beard what shall I all him

[outer wave]

I remember hearing a story about a bunch of animators getting together to make an animation of Minnie and Mickey talking about their marriage as a birthday gift to Walt. Walt react by asking who did this, and when they came out to say that they did, he fired them on the spot.

[tough haven]

Bro was literally just full of joy

[rose thorn]

Can we get a version of this for warhammer

And it’s just changing one letter

[viral halo]

Almost positive there is one

Let me dig through my 500gb of 4chan greentexts

[winter vessel]

read his books back in high school. To me he was 1 in a million in terms of writing high fantasy.

[tough haven]

He practically pioneered it

I think about everything that’s drawn from his work and how much wouldn’t be here if he didn’t write

[crisp heath]

Lord the Rings has definitely earned its place as a legendary work

But uh, The Worm Ouroboros is better

[crystal forum]

it's so rare for a movie to live up to a legendary book

and peter jackson made an entire country famous with how good the trilogy was

[crisp heath]

Just heard about angron lore

How can rage mc fury be so sad I figured he’d just kick puppies growing up

[crystal forum]

it's a really annoying backstory yeah

they had to make him tragic for literally no reason

[pine wedge]

for literally no reason?

[crisp heath]

I am now a chaos soldier bro down with the emperor

Gawdamn

[pine wedge]

this is a greek tragedy, my guy.

[crystal forum]

greek tragedies worked best in works of art that lasted a couple of hours, not a lifetime of reading material

it gets old fast

[pine wedge]

just read less of it 4head

[crystal forum]

at least they attempted to give him a reason to hate the emperor unlike mortarion

[radiant lance]

What if I hate the emperor since he made some women into custodes?

[crisp heath]

I feel the emperor can just do that since they are custom made

He’s the kinda guy that if he wants something to happen, it will

[celest dome]

Chaos on their way to make Fem SM

[crisp heath]

Now that’s the thing, why can’t women be space marines?

[crystal forum]

gene seed

[crisp heath]

Something like body types not working with the extra organs?

[crystal forum]

male primarchs

[radiant lance]

SM takes their gene seeds from the primarchs that are all male, and it needs to be compatible

[celest dome]

The tech used to make SM isn't suitable and doesn't work on women

[crystal forum]

why there's only male primarchs is the better question

[radiant lance]

Anyway, can't wait for one of the missing primarchs to be a woman for our all female legion

[celest dome]

Cause the Emperor didn't listen to Malc

[crisp heath]

Gamers didn’t like women in the 80’s

[dire apex]

The gene seed basically makes you more like the primarch it is from and that is a very lethal process for men already

[crystal forum]

they still dont

[crisp heath]

lol

[radiant lance]

Can a gene stealer steal a gene seed

[crystal forum]

the chances of GW bringing back one of the lost primarchs is below 1%

people need to stop acting like it could happen

[radiant lance]

Or do you need a gene seed stealer

[crisp heath]

I hope they don’t ever bring them back

Removes the mystery to just have them appear

[crystal forum]

it's one of the few parts of lore that we know literally nothing about on purpose

[celest dome]

Don't think they'll resurect people left and right, so quite unlikely

[crisp heath]

They were taken in by the eldar

[winter vessel]

because we'd know how people would act up if we had 10 feet tall beautiful demigoddesses

[crisp heath]

Primarchs wouldn’t be beautiful

Except the 2

[radiant lance]

Yes and we need more of it

[crisp heath]

They are tools of war

[crystal forum]

beauty is associated with perfection and yadda yadda yadda

[winter vessel]

I guess you haven't seen cnmbwjx's works on the primarchs?

[radiant lance]

I need a primarch I can call mommy

For my homebrew legion

Yeah

[crisp heath]

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-gif-3284201032904258120

[crystal forum]

it's pretty obvious to me that they'll never add women to astartes

[raven stone]

Yea the missing Primarchs are an explicit historical nod to 2 Roman Legions whose numbers were never reused again

That is gonna be staying right there in the long run

[crisp heath]

Curze

Curze is the only female primarch

[crystal forum]

the missing primarchs are a non issue in lore. they've never been hinted at coming back or even knowing anything about them

plus they exist for homebrew primarchs

we know more about men of iron than we do about missing primarchs

[burnt maple]

Hm. Are there any recorded instances of a space marine... crying? Any sort of shedding tears.

[celest dome]

Think so

Aren't there even a relic that is the tears of Sangiunus ?

[burnt maple]

Alright, Blood Angels don't count XD

[crystal forum]

do primarchs count

whenever astartes cry it's because of manly reasons and shit

[winter vessel]

half truth

[burnt maple]

Oh, I know of that ONE time when Sanguinius and Dorn hugged during the Siege of Terra, supposedly Dorn's tear could be seen on his brother's pauldron.

[winter vessel]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/rz8mnr/excerpt_pharos_the_death_of_a_hero/

[tough haven]

What would high levels of stress/mental trauma look like in a tech priest?

[crystal forum]

i thought they removed that part of their brain

tech priests dont seem to care about many things

[dusk patrol]

Yes

[dusk patrol]

Depends as always

They’re not a monolith

Some remove all emotion or care others don’t and obviously there’s still some horrific shit

There’s an upgrade in the FFG games for removing your fear and stuff which basically makes you unemotional and uncaring

[tough haven]

I mean like shock

[crisp heath]

A Deathwatch marine cries in "Shadowbreaker" because he's forced to execute a fellow marine he knows is loyal

[tough haven]

I’m sure eventually it takes some sort of toll on your augmetics

[crisp heath]

I think the Night Lords as a group also cried once but I'm looking for the source

[winter vessel]

there's also that thing with Uriel Ventris

[crystal forum]

i'm sure high level adepts become desensitized in some form

auspex tactics posting a video on 3d printing :D

sad that he didn't mention my favorite underrated 3d print maker

[dusk patrol]

Same answer

You’re asking for one thing when it’s not one thing

There’s no “tech priest” or “Magos” or “arch Magos” template

Some are much more emotionally closed off or whatever, others are much more emotional. Some have never seen combat others have seen centuries of it.

Make it what you want it to be.

[crystal forum]

it's already hard to relate to 40k characters who just live with servitors being a thing

god biologis are so cool

do you think a biologis adept trains every day and talks like a gym bro

[plush mason]

dont they just use gene augmentation

[crystal forum]

they still gotta train and know how their bodies work

even astartes train

[plush mason]

ofc

still nether is natural

so no they dont bulk like a gym bro

[viral halo]

There's that one jacked imperial fists who's also really short

the guy in the deathwatch: omni

[plush mason]

the dude that kept working out so much they had to make him stop because they couldnt afford to widen his armor anymore?

[arctic talon]

I could see one acting like a gym rat

but not as a bulker lol

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

the idea of a space marine doing weight lifting sounds so fucking cool

[plush mason]

given their augments they are likely lifting strongman weigh levels on the daily

[crystal forum]

can you imagine if an ogryn actually put effort into bulking up

[plush mason]

i mean

[crystal forum]

yeah they're naturally strong

but can you imagine a buff ogryn

[plush mason]

they can already solo chaos terminators and tank bolter shells

[storm jungle]

They are pretty buff

they got the strongman physique

lots of gut muscle with square shoulders

[crystal forum]

yeah

[plush mason]

traps bigger than most people's thighs

[dusk patrol]

Idk about terminators, they can out muscle marines though. But they’re way behind them in skill and speed.

And equipment

[plush mason]

one ogryn bodyguard killed 3

[crystal forum]

if you give an ogryn expensive equipment they'll try to use it like a hammer

[dusk patrol]

Yes there’s exceptional Ogryns same as everything

That’s not the norm

Nork has done insane things

[plush mason]

this wasnt nork just a random bodyguard for some random guard general

[crystal forum]

i'm guessing we've never seen this in lore but are custodes stronger than ogryns muscle wise

[dusk patrol]

But on average most Ogryns aren’t beating a marine up close in most scenarios, they’re capable of it but it’s not common

[dusk patrol]

They’re on par roughly

[storm jungle]

We cant really know that

[dusk patrol]

We have seen it

Theres a short where a Custodes has to wrestle with a few

[storm jungle]

and we have seen a Ogryn in the word bearers trilogy suplex a chaos terminator

combat is random

[dusk patrol]

He beats them pretty easily but they’re strong

[storm jungle]

marines die to dumber things

so its not that out of the ordinary

[crystal forum]

custodies are definitely up there in the strongest consistent muscle men lol

if we dont count random mutants and shit

[storm jungle]

oh yeah Custodes' not a competition lol

[plush mason]

marine charging across noman's land thinking he is unstoppble, gets his head blown off by a sniper 2 trench lines behind the first

[crystal forum]

marines constantly get out strengh'd by demons and stuff right

[storm jungle]

They die to everything

[dusk patrol]

Considering how often we see Ogryns being mulched by marines and that Charonites were juiced to hell to be able to deal with marines in CQC more

[storm jungle]

its just a matter of tactics or ill fortune

[plush mason]

^

[dusk patrol]

It is uncommon

[storm jungle]

most fans just think they are invincible for some reason

[plush mason]

because the imperium says they are lol

[crystal forum]

mutants can be stronger than ogryns right? marines kill those all the time

[dusk patrol]

Some can yeah

Mutants aren’t one thing

[celest dome]

People pointing to Astartes as credible SM showcase 💀

[storm jungle]

also like, using 30k is a horrible examples because there Marines are so mass-produced they literally die in droves like guardsmen lol

[crystal forum]

yeah like most chaos things

[plush mason]

fictional propaganda is just as effective as the real deal

[dusk patrol]

The point is Ogryns can kill Marines if they get their hands on them

But the marine has the advantage

They’re faster and better trained with better gear

[winged jacinth]

people think of marines as walking tanks but they're more like walking bradleys or something

[dire apex]

Raw strength is nice but speed is far more important on the margin in a melee fight

[storm jungle]

yeah but rock

🪨

[crystal forum]

marines aren't like fallout power armor i guess

[dusk patrol]

They’re a lot faster

[winged jacinth]

space marine chapters when chaos recovers the RPG-7 STC template

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[crystal forum]

power armor in 40k is just "better than flak and carapace" which isn't saying much with what they face

[storm jungle]

Billion dollar equipment
Outdone by dollar-store weapon

[dusk patrol]

It’s way beyond that

[storm jungle]

also yeah like minus small arms fire almost anything penetrates it

the lore wanks it to 100 degrees

then some marine dies to a few scarabs

lmao

[plush mason]

ceremite is literally just sci fi safi plates

[crystal forum]

yeah carapace sucks ass

[storm jungle]

pretty much

[crystal forum]

and flak is a joke

[dusk patrol]

I wouldn't really put scarabs as some low level example.

Everything necron is bullshit.

[plush mason]

just like it was in Nam

[winged jacinth]

marines are armored like a light vehicle, but light vehicles are not particularly invulnerable

[tough haven]

They can literally deconstruct anything at the molecular level

[dusk patrol]

Their main thing is their fast as hell

[winged jacinth]

scarabs do have max armor pen

[dusk patrol]

They also deploy as the tip of the spear kind deal.

[tough haven]

Far more armored than your typical foot soldier, but yeah, armor is meant to potentially stop a life ending shot, you’re still supposed to try to not get hit in the first place

[plush mason]

if the guard takes to long to reenforce then they will be wiped out

[dusk patrol]

But being able to tank some bolter fire, and no sell las guns and what not gives them a huge advantage.

[tough haven]

And still, many factions have options for dealing with light vehicle armor

[storm jungle]

Vraks Moment

💀

[dusk patrol]

Depends on the situation but yeah.

[crystal forum]

fun fact, the guy who got the army to adopt kevlar vests was a pizza delivery guy and he demonstrated the vests by shooting himself with a pistol

[winged jacinth]

i recently learned that lasguns fire 21 megathoule shots not megajoule

made up unit no more funny math 😦

[plush mason]

rip

[dusk patrol]

They fire whatever is determined to be fired.

There's different pattterns too with different power levels so there's not gonna be a consistent portrayl.

[winged jacinth]

a 21 megajoule shot would be able to ignite nuclear fusion lmao

[dire apex]

If you have enough guardsman surpressing all your anti armor weapons, there’s not much you can do when a space marine shows up next to you in a trench. They are a force multiplier

[storm jungle]

you expect 40k writers to know science?

💀

[tough haven]

Generally speaking it’s not meant to pierce heavy armor

[crystal forum]

lasguns dont fire lasers. they fire imaginary projectiles

[plush mason]

i bet they will say that megathoules are just megajoules but renamed because they got rediscovered by someone named Thoule

[crystal forum]

dont think about it too much

[tough haven]

Yeah they aren’t meant to stand alone

They are shock troops for support

[storm jungle]

Im gonna fire an imaginary projectile to your brain

[winged jacinth]

well they shouldnt because none of the math works lol

[dusk patrol]

It just depends on the scenario

[storm jungle]

damn

no magneto coin gif

[plush mason]

its 40k dont bother with the math, it will save your sanity

[crystal forum]

guardsmen as a general rule are quantity over quality

[storm jungle]

Catachan 😔

[dusk patrol]

In general but thats painting with a wide brush.

[plush mason]

there is enough bad math and logic falsities in this setting to make the universe explode twice

[winged jacinth]

this is why they made up new units, because a joule means something

[plush mason]

ye

well and because GW is obessed with copy righting everything they can

[crystal forum]

it's what the "faction" is based on. just like how you can say space marines as a general rule are an elite strike force that doesn't do protracted fighting

[plush mason]

its why all the planets have such strange names

and the various organizations

[storm jungle]

Chaos symbol moment

[dusk patrol]

I can guranteed you they didn't make it thoule so they could copyright it.

They did it so people online would shut up.

[storm jungle]

no they did it because "sci-fi word"

[plush mason]

fair

[storm jungle]

GW writers never do anything with that mindset

because the authors use a lot of IRL science shit when explaining dumb stuff

[dusk patrol]

40k is full of stuff they don't copyright but just change cause its the universe.

[storm jungle]

Kinda

[dusk patrol]

Its the same as star wars never using paper.

Its just the feel.

[storm jungle]

it depends because they literally do change names to copyrigtht it

so its not really a false argument either

[dusk patrol]

People using binocs gives it a differnt feel than binoculars.

[plush mason]

wasnt there lore than one of the laws of physics was removed when one of the C'tan was killed?

[storm jungle]

I mean

[crystal forum]

they can't copyright everything, thankfully

[storm jungle]

not really

[dusk patrol]

Yeah for like, major factions.

[storm jungle]

They pretty much copyright smaller stuff too so it "belongs to 40k" like almost every prop name being something else.

and like not every author follows this rule either

so its not that big of a deal

[crystal forum]

we should look up british copyright registries to see if bolter is claimed

[crisp heath]

A callidus assassin who disguises themself as a guardsman to get deployed at their targets locations. They spend the next 3 months faking their death and adopting a new guardsman disguise over and over so no one realizes they're competent while they wait for the opening.

[storm jungle]

that wouldnt happen

she'd run out of polymorphine

[winged jacinth]

its more about creating the world-feel, trademarking is just a protective measure. they're not gonna make big bucks licensing out the name catachan or whatever

[storm jungle]

however will be stealing this idea

[dusk patrol]

Based off Kingmaker they can last a couple years without resupplying although it gets hard.

[storm jungle]

Yeah it very much depends

GW is very protective of 40k

like childishly so

lol

[crystal forum]

wouldn't it be easier to just change dogtags and pick up fallen guardsman's gear since nobody's keeping track of 1000 dead soldiers

[storm jungle]

They'd prob find out

since bodycounting is a thing

and they'd ask "you're registered dead"

and the excuse of "it was a miscount" can only last so long

lol

[crisp heath]

One is trapped on the other side of the Great Rift for like almost a year and doesn't even go into withdrawal

[crystal forum]

that's if they find the body

[dusk patrol]

Callidus infiltrate a lot higher level stuff than a guard regiment

They'd be fine.

[crystal forum]

wouldn't it be easier to take a commissar's place

[plush mason]

eh given the nature of the imperium that excuse could work near indefinity

[dusk patrol]

They're super anal about details and perfecting their disguises.

[storm jungle]

The higher the rank the harder it gets

[crystal forum]

you literally have an excuse to execute your assassin target as a commissar

[storm jungle]

they spend already weeks to years studying a target

its too much of a gamble

then again you also got Mother Gullet

so

[plush mason]

ugh

[storm jungle]

KEK

[dusk patrol]

Callidus taking over a commissars position would be childs play for them, we see them do much goofier and harder things.

[storm jungle]

and we see them equally fucking up and gettng caught

its inconsistent

[plush mason]

that whole story was just weird, like some old brother's grimm type stuff

[storm jungle]

Eh it was fine

voring a baby is not really too outlandish

[dusk patrol]

There's barely any cases of them fucking up and even when they do they can easily shift to a new role, plus

[crystal forum]

can you imagine a vindicare pretending to be a guardsman and nobody noticing that he literally never misses

[dusk patrol]

Who in the hell in the guard is expecting a Callidus.

[storm jungle]

About half of the assassinorum stories is assassins fucking up

[plush mason]

i know still very brothers grimm

[storm jungle]

because them simply being successful is boring

[crystal forum]

why is that so true

[storm jungle]

see the answer above

[crystal forum]

no

[storm jungle]

missions need drama

[plush mason]

^

[winged jacinth]

unless they're an eversor, then it's pretty funny

[storm jungle]

voring you

[dusk patrol]

Almost every example I can think of is them suceeding or the fuck up is for some other reason.

[crystal forum]

check who you're talking to before saying such things

[dusk patrol]

And once again, a guard regiment is absurdly low level.

[plush mason]

was about to say

[dusk patrol]

Especially since they tend to have a lot of Imperium resources to be able to take the postions.

[storm jungle]

Vraks Moment

[plush mason]

why did the assassin fail to kill that dude anyway?

[crystal forum]

"for your next mission, agent joe, you will infiltrate the death korps of krieg and pretend to be one of their officers. here's a gas mask and a trench coat"

[plush mason]

did he miss the shot or something?

[dusk patrol]

Because the resources spent on Vraks had to make no sense.

[crystal forum]

he shot the guy's aegis shield

which they didnt know he had

[plush mason]

wtf

i mean it is the imperium, incompetence is their bread and butter

[crystal forum]

it's said that vraks might not have happened if the assassinorum didn't martyr a religious figure

[storm jungle]

its actually explained pretty well and is a really realistic fuckup

but like

like most IRL governemnt documents

when you read it yourself it sounds dumb

lmao

[plush mason]

yeah its a realistic fuckup that happens all the time, lack of due diligence

[crystal forum]

the vindicare pretty much sealed the deal for everybody turning against the imperium

the entire vraks thing is funny and incompetent on purpose

it's great

[storm jungle]

A lot of people also died which is funny so it makes it okay

[crystal forum]

like the general sent to take care of vraks was ridiculously incompetent

[plush mason]

haha human minesweepers

[storm jungle]

It was a mix of both

there was some competency

[dusk patrol]

The funny thing is not that many people even died at Vraks really.

[crystal forum]

the first one i mean

[storm jungle]

but it was at moments where it was just too much of a shitshow

[crystal forum]

then he gets deposed and the greyknights take over

[crisp heath]

Addition to my scenario: the assassin kills so many guardsmen to take their place that they do successfully kill their target, but the regiment is in bad shape and their position is overrun, losing the vital resource they were protecting

[dusk patrol]

The numbers are pretty hilariously low for 40k.

[crystal forum]

or inquisition i mean

[plush mason]

tbf that is a common thing for 40k, the numbers are all over the place

[crystal forum]

i fucking love vraks it's such a great shitshow

[dusk patrol]

It was a pretty inconsequential conflict until the very end.

[crystal forum]

like everything just gets worse and worse

then demons appear

dark angels appear out of nowhere and do NOTHING

[plush mason]

iirc more people died in ww2 than in the imperium's biggest and bloodiest battle

[dusk patrol]

It definitely wasn't the biggest and bloodiest.

That's kinda the thing with Vraks, it didn't really matter.

[plush mason]

not vraks

[storm jungle]

Imperial Armor as a series in general is some the best writing in 40k of all time imo

shame with Alan Bligh dying who was the guy behind all this it just dropped

[plush mason]

another battle

[storm jungle]

almost no new lore event/war comes even close to this much stuff

[dusk patrol]

Bligh had his issues but I liked most of his stuff.

[crystal forum]

i still cant believe it didn't get a book until now

[storm jungle]

because it was just a side conflict

[dusk patrol]

I'd prefer it still didn't have one tbh

[storm jungle]

with not a lot of space marines

[crystal forum]

guard stories when written properly are so good

[dusk patrol]

It doesn't need one, we got most of the story.

[storm jungle]

I love how the advertisement is like

"LEARN THE REAL HORRORS OF VRAKS"

...bro we literally got 3 BOOKS DEDICATED TO IT

WITH PAINSTAKING DETAIL

[crystal forum]

it's a little hard to get into for people who dont know how to piece together the information

[storm jungle]

...

[dusk patrol]

Its

[storm jungle]

BUT WE DO HAVE IT PIECED TOGETHER

[dusk patrol]

a book

Its not hard to figure out.

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[storm jungle]

Its a chronological pace too

[dusk patrol]

Like this is not hard reading.

[storm jungle]

I wasted like... i think about 8 hours reading it from Book 1 to Book 3

kinda regret it but by the end holy fuck 💀

[dusk patrol]

If anything the new book will probably be more confusing.

Since IA has the benefit of being able to tell you everthing thats going on.

[arctic talon]

He used the wrong bullet

[plush mason]

what

[crystal forum]

why

[dusk patrol]

The Vindicare sort of forgot he had shield shattering bullets.

[plush mason]

....

was this his first job?

[arctic talon]

He didn't use the shell breaker round

Might have been lol

[dusk patrol]

Possibly

It wasn't a high level dude

[arctic talon]

He used a Turbo-penetrator round

all in all this was an easy mission that he horribly fucked up

because he forgor to use the right bullet

[dusk patrol]

They talk about how Vindicare start out doing basic shit like this.

And eventually they move up to actually good targets.

[plush mason]

it had to be a rookie then

[dusk patrol]

I think its like, most don't survive to their 10th mission or something.

[crystal forum]

by "easy" it was still pretty hard

[dusk patrol]

Kingmaker goes into all this.

[crystal forum]

like he only had 1 single window of opportunity

[dusk patrol]

Its easy for a vindicare tbh

That's their deal.

[arctic talon]

easy for a member of the officio assasinorum

[dusk patrol]

They sit for years in one spot to get one shot.

[plush mason]

its an assassination mission solo behind enemy lines, they are never "easy"

[arctic talon]

absolute hell condition still

[dusk patrol]

There's one who hung upside down for 2 years so he could shoot into a telescope lens and dome his target.

[arctic talon]

but not nearly hellish enough compared to some other crap

[crystal forum]

in the end he dies to a mob of plebs too and idk why vindicare dont get a suicide vest for this reason

[plush mason]

still such a mistake can only be made by someone that is green

[crystal forum]

the fuck ups are part of the story

it's why i like the guard

[plush mason]

yeah

[storm jungle]

he was cornered

and like, in a super small room

with no way out

[crystal forum]

exactly

why dont they give these guys a blow up option

[storm jungle]

Well

they threw down frag grenades to kill him first

💀

[arctic talon]

tbh

If they get caught they die

[crystal forum]

didnt they parade his body around

[storm jungle]

also you got the Eversor

who does explode

[storm jungle]

yeah

mauled

[arctic talon]

not the worst way to die lol

[crystal forum]

exactly like why not give him blow up option to not give evidence of imperials

[storm jungle]

because the populace already knew

and Xaphan was pretty much fullon nutjob

even if it wasnt an imperial assassin they'd say it was one

[crystal forum]

anyways i like vraks

because there's no space marines

[dusk patrol]

uh

[crystal forum]

and there's tanks

[dusk patrol]

I would read more.

[storm jungle]

Does he know

[crystal forum]

yeah i fucking know about the grey knights

[storm jungle]

not just them

[dusk patrol]

Not just them

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

and the dark angels

[storm jungle]

not just them

[dusk patrol]

Not just them

[crystal forum]

and theeeee

[arctic talon]

(does he know)

[crystal forum]

scorpions?

[storm jungle]

yep

[crystal forum]

wtf is their name again

[dusk patrol]

Not just them

[arctic talon]

Alpha Legion, Purge

[storm jungle]

LMAO

to be fair

CSM dont even count as space marines

so its fine

[arctic talon]

They don't have a huge impact overall tbh

[crystal forum]

i dont count CSM as space marines

[arctic talon]

its in their name

I'm killing you

[dusk patrol]

tell me

[crystal forum]

they're just chaos enemies

[dusk patrol]

What does the SM stand for, in CSM.

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

honestly tho like yeah

[arctic talon]

killing you with the warhammer

[storm jungle]

the biggest contributors are the Scorpions

others kinda do fuck-all

CSM literally appear

[arctic talon]

from the warhammer 40,000

[storm jungle]

and then do nothing

lol

[arctic talon]

They die

[storm jungle]

world eaters dont even count

since like

they are braindead

[crystal forum]

dark angels not doing anything to help out is so good

[storm jungle]

and do what they always do

[dusk patrol]

Vraks was a silly place.

[storm jungle]

Dark Angels are fucking morons

[arctic talon]

Also the purge does the funny

[storm jungle]

i love it

[arctic talon]

melt everything gas of death

that makes the DKoK retreat

[crystal forum]

like they come in because they got duped into thinking there's a fallen and they nearly lose their standard

then they fuck off

[dusk patrol]

I don't think it was the gas it was just the extreme firepower right.

At least for one retreat.

[arctic talon]

it was the gas + extreme firepower combined

for the dif retreats

it was to charge a fortified position they didn't want to and then the gas of death started rolling in

[crystal forum]

when they get flanked by armour because command was 100% sure the vraksians didnt have any tanks

on an armoury world

[storm jungle]

also come back just as the battle is won to ask for spoils with the Alpha Legion leader

i wish they all died

tbh

[plush mason]

this message is approved of by the space wolves

[crystal forum]

same

[storm jungle]

honestly tho like they are morons

it took the Lion coming back to semi-stop them from being a stupid-ass Chapter

[crystal forum]

they really are stupid

[storm jungle]

yeah like

idc what DA fans say

their Chapter is stupid

lmao

[dusk patrol]

I do not enjoy a lot of DA writing to say the least.

[storm jungle]

Same

I wonder because of who

OH YES

[crystal forum]

they play wack a mole when they could be actually doing things

[dusk patrol]

Ugh

[storm jungle]

EVERY BOOK PLOT

FALLEN.

FUCK YOU

[dusk patrol]

"no you see I made them stupid and nonsensical on purpose because you write what you know"

[crystal forum]

they have a really cool theme is the sad part

[dusk patrol]

This is why sometimes its better to have very little lore.

You get less stupid stuff.

I'd rather have no books than the Sallie or Dark Angel books.

[storm jungle]

Yeah also Gav basically took their 1 gimmick and made it their entire personality

like its kind of amazing

how through 30 years

DA lore has been the exact same thing

actually incredible

[crystal forum]

why are they so popular

of all the chapters

[storm jungle]

knights are cool

[dusk patrol]

Cause they're cool

[storm jungle]

thats literally it

[dusk patrol]

Like dude, 40k is aesthetics.

[storm jungle]

its once you like, start reading their lore, that you realise you made a mistake

[crystal forum]

they look cool but their lore is nothing like their aesthetic

[storm jungle]

also most DA fans like

actively say they hate the lore, and just play because drip

[dusk patrol]

Some of their lore is ok, at the end of the day you just selectively read stuff.

[crystal forum]

like why arent they cool ass knights fighting for honor

[arctic talon]

The eldar server having a gav thrope emote goes crazy

[dusk patrol]

Their 30k stuff is cooler generally.

[storm jungle]

yeah because no Fallen

kinda

[arctic talon]

their 40k stuff without a fallen focus is good

Which is like

barely anything

[shadow plover]

At least with the Redeemed they are getting a lot more interesting

[dusk patrol]

I play this card

There is no fallen in 30k

[crystal forum]

did the lion coming back do anything for their lore

[dusk patrol]

Defenders of Caliban are not a threat

[rose thorn]

The most based DA character

[shadow plover]

The Redeemed

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

only took like

[dusk patrol]

Not a ton yet.

[storm jungle]

60 years

IRL

[shadow plover]

But only in that one book thus far

[dusk patrol]

But its helped a lot.

Idc even that they're basically new characters now.

[rose thorn]

Watch them not get books for 5 years

[dusk patrol]

Probably.

GW has been very annoying with codex lore and I hope they revert it back.

The new codexes are so sparse.

[shadow plover]

The Lion book was such a hit I doubt they'll wait too long, hopefully Brooks can continue with it

[dusk patrol]

I hope not but

We'll probably get him

[arctic talon]

less fallen

[dusk patrol]

I can't stand brooks.

He writes good action scenes and thats it.

[arctic talon]

I love 4 pages of lore

wow

new codexes are ass

[dusk patrol]

Its painful.

[crystal forum]

60$ for a rule sheet

[dusk patrol]

Its the #1 thing I want them to fix.

[rose thorn]

Just saying if Luther gets a model

[storm jungle]

Lex Luther????

https://tenor.com/view/superman-lex-luthor-muscle-growth-gif-20445286

[rose thorn]

I would play what ever army he’s in

[dusk patrol]

It is strange he doesn't have a 30k model tbh.

But they don't really have a place to put him there.

Since it would make no fucking sense for him to be on any battlefield.

[crystal forum]

would he be chaos

[dusk patrol]

Its complicated

[rose thorn]

“Know what, I miss when our planet was a hell scape. At least we had rights and culture.”

[dusk patrol]

Can't fight this rizz.

[crystal forum]

actually dark angel

[rose thorn]

Hes also not a space marine which is even more based

[dusk patrol]

Hes "not a space marine"

[crystal forum]

i thought he converted

[rose thorn]

He’s like 2 milliseconds off

[dusk patrol]

He has a different process

Same as Kor Phaeron.

[arctic talon]

He's one of those proto marines

[rose thorn]

He couldn’t get all of it

[dusk patrol]

For older dudes.

[arctic talon]

or ig partial marines

[dusk patrol]

He's a bit behind normal marines.

Which annoys him

A lot

[crystal forum]

is he still in 40k

[dusk patrol]

Yes

As far as we're aware.

[crystal forum]

so not mentionned recently?

im wondering if he could get primaris

[dusk patrol]

Probably not

He's not the same as marines.

Probably too dangerous and

He's also consolidating Chaos Fallen

Although tbh

[arctic talon]

He's building up the Chaos Fallen for something

[crystal forum]

oh i thought he redeemed

[dusk patrol]

We don't know his goal.

[arctic talon]

He's relatively free of chaos corruption

ironically

And he keeps on talking about how "the lion will redeem me"

[dusk patrol]

Its very unclear if he's going full chaos or what his deal is

[crystal forum]

what about cypher

[arctic talon]

He is not sane lol

[dusk patrol]

Cypher is a cipher.

[arctic talon]

Cypher has been helping the Imperium more then he hasn't recently

but uh

[dusk patrol]

We don't know.

[arctic talon]

Its fucking cypher

[storm jungle]

cypher is literally

[arctic talon]

who goddamn knows

[storm jungle]

appears in book

spins wheel on Chaos/Loyalist

whatever it lands on

lol

[arctic talon]

Also he's only a datasheet for chaos rn but like

[storm jungle]

tho the lates tbook basically confirms es fully loyalist

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/my-goals-are-beyond-your-understanding-reverse-flash-eobard-thawne-the-flash-gif-16637212

[storm jungle]

which is lol

[arctic talon]

realistically he should be unaligned or some shit lol

considering he's a slot machine

[crystal forum]

is unaligned an actual thing

[dusk patrol]

The general deal with him is he seems to try to kill off the chaff for the DA and improve them but idk, the point is what hes getting at isn't clear.

[dusk patrol]

Technically

[crystal forum]

soul drinkers were like that

i need to read their new lore

[arctic talon]

on the tabletop? yes

but all the stuff in it is legends lol

[crystal forum]

fuck

[arctic talon]

its mostly wildlife

or stuff like spindle drones

[crystal forum]

lol

so making a space marine chapter unaligned would put it on the same side as animals

[storm jungle]

WHAT

[tough haven]

I’ve literally never seen them

[storm jungle]

thats because they are in blackstone fortress

[crystal forum]

is there a space marine chapter that's known for having a lot of equipment

other than the founding chapters since of course they have an absurd amount of shit

[dusk patrol]

Minotaurs

[arctic talon]

Minotaurs, Charnel Guard, (a lot of forgeworld chapters)

[raven stone]

Blood Ravens if you buy into their kleptomaniac memes

[crystal forum]

minotaurs look cool

killing space marines and taking their shit

shame that their lore is lacking

[hallow saddle]

black templars maybe

certainly a lot of marines

Grey Knights for sure

you could make up a pretty easy justification for the Red Talons

[viral halo]

this may be one of the craziest things you've ever posted

[crystal forum]

invictus warsuit is so cool

the heavy bolter sidearm is so good

[hallow saddle]

haha yeah it is cool as fuck

i like the conversions where the pilot is enclosed

[viral halo]

Dark eldar become wracks voluntarily

sometimes

Disturbing

[rocky gale]

Why are you looking at messages from 4 years ago?

[arctic talon]

Sometimes life gets boring

Besides your master will prolly bring you back

[viral halo]

which is insane to think about lol

[arctic talon]

Tbh as long as you’re not incompetent and your master stays alive

You’re practically immortal

[viral halo]

could they put you back together?

[arctic talon]

Into a normal drukhari? Yeah but they aren’t likely to

[viral halo]

Fucking gross lmfao

[arctic talon]

Haemonculi can revive people from a single piece of flesh

Putting someone back together is decently easy for them

[viral halo]

I always enjoyed that the drukhari are "anti psyker" and instead basically invent flesh sorcery

[arctic talon]

They can turn humans into “eldar” and eldar into “humans”

[viral halo]

real skin crawling shit

[tough haven]

I’m trying to come up with some reaction ideas for my character so I have some ideas on how to react, would a tech priest react to getting shot?

I imagine they’d be pretty nonchalant about it

[arctic talon]

Pain

Depending on what it hits

[dire apex]

they'd probably run diagnostics

[tough haven]

Boring

Jk

[arctic talon]

It’s not like tech priests don’t react to getting injured

They’d figure out what got injured or damaged

[tough haven]

B-but iron knows no pain

[tough haven]

What about an opponent just completely fucking whiffing

[arctic talon]

You’ll still recoil from getting shot

[arctic talon]

Humor

Annoyance

[tough haven]

Hm, now to think of some scathing remarks

“Hypothesis: subject suffered weapon malfunction”

[tough haven]

Epic line for sure

[queen laurel]

yeah the mechanicus game is a good way of showing that Mechanicus while very logical and technologically pretty much robots at this point still have emotions and personality

i suggest trying to imitate the way they speak

[tough haven]

As I’m writing this character I’m slowly sliding away from my original concept and more into generic computer speak, which isn’t necessarily bad lol

[crystal forum]

mechanicus adepts are snarky as hell

[tough haven]

I originally wanted the character to be more outwardly human, and kinda switching between more emotional thinking, and then to cold analysis when I combat or faced with an interesting specimen

[arctic talon]

Look at the mechanicus dialogue for a variety of “tones”

Tech priests are incredibly snarky

[tough haven]

I actually have the dialogue up now

[arctic talon]

Especially towards people they dislike

[tough haven]

I’m kinda thinking of similar to the domina, I forget her name

Khephra I think

[queen laurel]

[[Analysis]]

[[ Insult Found ]] BY THE OMNISSIAH PLEASE JUMP INTO THE LINE OF FIRE OF A LAS-CANNON

[tough haven]

Lol

[plush mason]

i love that line

[arctic talon]

Sub Domina kephra

Aka a skitarii marshal lol

[queen laurel]

ohh yeah brutal cunning as well

[arctic talon]

Pretty funny how she’s up for consideration to become an actual tech priest

[queen laurel]

They are also pretty smart and have a lot of personality

[tough haven]

I kinda want to do like “Subject failure detected, activating humor cortex”

[tough haven]

I mean she mostly just directs the skitarii not selected for the specialized missions by faustinius

[arctic talon]

the fact she's allowed with the rest of the tech priests indicates that she's up for consideration

especially in a multi forgeworld delegation

Considering the game has a representative from every major forgeworld

[plush mason]

the lector dude was a shocker at first, i did not expect there to be tech priests like him

[arctic talon]

he's from the uber conservative forgeworld

[plush mason]

ye

[arctic talon]

his dialogue makes a lot of sense

[tough haven]

My character has mostly biological enhancements, including an ability to block certain neural pathways to allow for greater focus/clinical detachment when necessary, without physically removing the capacity for emotion

[arctic talon]

how he looks is a little weird though

[plush mason]

at the time i knew nothing of the forge worlds outside of mars

[tough haven]

Perhaps she shows some serious combat or tactical prowess

[arctic talon]

most likely tactical

[tough haven]

Yes I stole this from mechanicus and just reskinned it

[plush mason]

it helps the arch-magos she works for is so atypical

the dude in charge is a bit of an odd-ball

[arctic talon]

He's strange

Scaevola and Videx are also strange

Rho is the most stereotypical tech priest of the bunch

[plush mason]

then there is the huntsmaster lady

[arctic talon]

captrix is very odd

she shows dual allegiances

she has a ryzan robe but has a Graian symbol on her like

[plush mason]

she i had no idea because i know nothing of her forgeworld

[arctic talon]

inner metal layer thingy?

[tough haven]

I just liked the idea of a character that would allow me to both play out more typically emotional scenes while being able to do the classically detached scenes as well

[arctic talon]

either way its odd she holds 2 allegiances

[plush mason]

is she a skitarii or a tech-priest?

[tough haven]

Tech priest

[arctic talon]

Tech priest

[plush mason]

i love their interactions tho, epesically when you meet a cyrptek for the first time

[arctic talon]

she's a Prime-Hermeticon which puts her at the rank right below archmagos

[plush mason]

Scaevola literally goes "hold on i have to get this on video" when Videx agrees with her lol

[arctic talon]

I think its fun whenever they agree

when normally they're at each others throats

[plush mason]

ye

that cryptek really got to Videx tho

the idea he had found an equal in a xeno just blew his mind

[tough haven]

Once in combat or finding something interesting he mostly treats non-allies as just subjects for research

[tough haven]

I love that trope

Especially in 40K

[plush mason]

its done so well with Scaevola and Videx

[tough haven]

Force members of factions that hate each other to work together and see their similarities

[arctic talon]

still the most batshit insane Mechanicus War Expedition

Ah yes lets go into the eye of fucking terror

[crisp heath]

ROADTRIP!

[tough haven]

“Subject appears extraordinarily substandard, recommending full autopsy” or “further study required” not sure which sounds better

[tough haven]

Probably some cool research to get in there

Or some funky tech

[winter vessel]

“Get in the onager dune crawler, fool, we going to start some shit”

[tough haven]

“Hypothesis: subject has suffered severe cognitive damage”

What are examples of litanies for weapon maintenance/reloading?

[crystal forum]

agripinaa is going on the offensive

[tough haven]

Had enough of their shit

\Error: allocation of patience exceeded//

[tough haven]

I’m so close to coming up with a snarky quip about an enemy not even being worth servitorization, but my drafts are way too clunky lol

[tough haven]

@queen laurel

[young pecan]

what the fuck they doing to soingpsog

[winter vessel]

spingblorb

[misty vector]

it was pretty cunning tbf

[raven stone]

I mean the Orks have done it before, the again, Orks are not exactly a benchmark for sanity…

[azure knoll]

orks also arent a race known for being vulnerable to chaos

[paper haven]

https://imgb.ifunny.co/videos/032a2cc4a4f162e930875039a1b8d27e368c8d1bdfa3ba80221a9f038e5a6b71_1.mp4

[misty vector]

so why does khorne love brass so much anyway

[raven stone]

I am guessing Brass might be the earliest metal from which weapons were made

Granted, anything non-metal could be a weapon, but metal-as-weapon as a concept might have started with brass…?

(My history and anthropology could be off here OFC but it is my best guess)

[rocky gale]

Na you're probably thinking of Bronze which was one of the first alloys created, but tin, copper, gold, silver and lead were all used before the discovery of Bronze.

Bronze was around 3500 BCE and Brass was 500 BCE because it required Zinc which was rarer than the tin used to make Bronze

While the earliest known usage of wrought Copper was 9000 BCE

[raven stone]

Ah ok thanks.

Maybe the original idea was Bronze or Copper for Khorne but then some writer made an editorial screw up and it became Brass instead? IDK

“First concept of metallic alloy which is used to make weapons”

[rocky gale]

Yea, Bronze would make sense because of it's historical link to weaponry, the only think I can think of is that brass is used to make bullets but I still think Bronze makes more sense

[queen laurel]

I think it's a really just that a lot of the most dangerous and brutal weapons around are made out of brass and one of the most infamous torture methods is the brazen bull

[raven stone]

I mean if the first bullets are Brass, there is still a thematic reasoning (albeit yes, weaker compared to Bronze); a bullet is made with the express purpose of killing a living creature or destroying a target, with no other possible purpose for its use.

[queen laurel]

it depended but it was also stated to be made of brass

[raven stone]

Ah I see…this could also be the connection, yes.

[queen laurel]

i mean **** one of his characters is literally based on this torture method being Taurox the BRASS Bull

Brass is also incredibly useless in terms of thermal regulation

it's incredibly good for retaining heat

[plush mason]

because red and brass looks cool

[spring cairn]

how will brass fair gainst dual cannons and 4 bomb bays

[raven stone]

For some odd reason I am reminded of the sad lack of a Mammoth Tank equivalent in 40k
Like yes you have various super heavy vehicles but something like the Mammoth Tank would be…wonderful
Closest is the Fellblade with the Twin Barrels, but it lacks the surface-to-air missile system

[thorn zenith]

40k tank designs are honestly rather ugly tbh

I understand the intended tone but damn

[storm jungle]

you love em or you hate em

[raven stone]

The Marines (pre-Primaris) tanks always had a better feel to them compared to Guard vehicles.

Massive size apart, looks like something that could actually exist.

[storm jungle]

They are brutalist, ugly and simple its great

Primaris vehicles look like they came out of Halo

lmao

[raven stone]

And within the Marine range, I prefer all the the Rhino Chassis.
Those actually have treads that make sense.

So does the Land Raider Proteus actually

[storm jungle]

to be fair the Rhino is literally just the vietnam-era U.S APC isnt it

[raven stone]

Yea pretty much.
The 40k Predator is pretty much a M1 Bradley

[storm jungle]

thats the one yep

[raven stone]

The 30k Predator is one of the WW2 Soviet tanks given a 40k ish dressing

(By turret design)

Talking about Rhino chassis being most realistic like…

https://youtu.be/Gm6GHovvRF0?feature=shared

This just needs a pintle mounted XM25 grenade launcher (closest equivalent we have to a Bolter right now) to actually be a Rhino

[tough haven]

Mechanicus be like: “yeah, pretty much”

[crystal forum]

m113 🤓

and it was used outside the US a lot

in fact it's considered one of the most widely used fighting vehicles ever made

and just like real life, you can slap a turret on it and call it a tank

my uncle got to use a canadian version that had a TOW missile on top

[crystal forum]

guard still has massive vehicles at least. astartes went away from the heavy tanks because they're no longer an actual fighting force like in 30k

there's those things mentioned in fall of cadia

i dont remember the name but they're from squat lore back in epic i think

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Colossus_(war_machine)

these things

90 meters tall

im pretty sure that dwarfs some smaller titans

i never liked astartes tanks personally

it never made sense to me why they'd need them in the first place

[raven stone]

I mean, Rhino Chassis still kind of make sense for being Thunderhawk airlift capable (thus fitting the rapid doctrine)
But I can see how Land Raiders no longer really fit the bill

[plush mason]

ngl it sounds like the strider from armored core 6

[raven stone]

Nevermind the super heavies

[plush mason]

a vast weaponized mining rig

[thorn zenith]

Technical-ified industrial tools and vehicles are goated

[plush mason]

ye

big part of why GSC are so cool

just weaponize the mining drills

[crystal forum]

i understand why astartes use APC's like the land raider and rhino. it's the tanks i dont get

i guess the tanks are just there to support the APC's

[queen laurel]

Sometimes you just need a vehicle specifically to carry a big gun in a fight

And hey armored support is always helpful in a war

[crystal forum]

they're astartes though, they already have big guns

[queen laurel]

Yes but they are not strong enough to carry a bigger gun i'm talking a gun design specifically to destroy an entire building in a single shot

[crystal forum]

i thought astartes would be the ones storming the building instead of destroying it

[queen laurel]

Why go through all the tactical b******* that follows through it if you can just blow it up

[crystal forum]

blowing shit up is a guardsman's job

i do find it a little dumb that rhinos and its tank variants are rare

the astra militarum fields so many leman russes

[queen laurel]

Yeah they have a variant designed for very specific jobs

[crystal forum]

and they only range from "common" to "uncommon"

unlike astartes vehicles which range from "rare" to "once in a lifetime"

[queen laurel]

I mean it is the most common and flexible tank chassis in all of the imperium

[crystal forum]

i mean like the executioner which is a little uncommon

compared to whatever land raider that was last seen during the horus heresy

[queen laurel]

We're talking about space marines here

They are made to feel special

[raven stone]

Oddly enough it is implied Leman Russes are easier to manufacture compared to Rhinos IIRC

[crystal forum]

i just looked it up

the vindicator

literally just uses a demolisher cannon

[winged jacinth]

Built with lost technology (mounted with 10mm bolts, impossible to fasten without archaeotech)

[thorn zenith]

Consistency is how 40k lore falls apart lmao

But i think its also said somewhere that space marine stuff are treated as sacred n shiet

[winged jacinth]

Its still one of the funniest lore bits to me that the Land Raider and Land Speeder are just named after a guy named Land

[raven stone]

Well, before the Primaris stuff rolled along, it was more that “each piece of tech is nigh difficult to replace”, coupled alongside that Rhinos are STC

Re the name: Land, TBF the HH novels did a light retcon in that Land was the guy’s last name

His full name is Arkhand Land

[rocky gale]

Genuinely one of the stupidest additions tbh

[raven stone]

I have seen worse TBH (no, not women Custodes, no worries.)

[shadow plover]

honestly it isn't that far fetched and I thought it was kinda neat

the name thing

[rocky gale]

It's just one of the most annoying things about GW lore, the fact they keep answering questions that no one was asking.

Like Land Raider and Land Speeder, everyone went "Oh it's because they're Land vehicles that makes sense" and then years later GW goes "Well actually they're named after Arkhan Land"

[shadow plover]

I honestly don't see how that would be an issue

[rocky gale]

It's not an issue, it's just dumb

[shadow plover]

how come

loads of tanks are named after people

or military vehilces in general

.. or vehicles in general

[storm jungle]

I love the inventor of the tank

Tankton Tread

[winged jacinth]

Running was named after Thomas Running, the first person to walk twice at the same time

[rocky gale]

So was the Land Raider a collab between Arkhan Land and Johnny Raider?

[storm jungle]

Yeah this is our issue

its not "oh its named after the person that made it" lol

[crisp heath]

The Jimmy Space clip is pretty good so I'm glad it happened

[celest dome]

I think nobody has issues about it being named after a person, it's just that doing it retroactively while the name having a simple explanation is quite weird

[rocky gale]

The Drop Pod was actually named after it's designer Reginald Drop

[celest dome]

Droparious Pod

[rocky gale]

Yea naming something after someone is fine, like the Leman Russ tank or Rogal Dorn tank. But Land Raiders already made sense before the addition of Arkhan land.

[crisp heath]

https://youtu.be/LhspXkE8wVQ?si=HdRk-Yyh2cFmnYoL

[rose thorn]

Bolt gun was made by Johnny Bolts

[shadow plover]

the difference here is that Land is an actual surname used by people

[storm jungle]

You give the 40k writers too much credit lol

"Yes its an actual surname we should totally use it"

[orchid lark]

Sus-An organ, oh its just short formed Suspended Animation? No the person was Dr. Sus-An

[shadow plover]

I mean for sure it wasn't planned to be as such originally but the addition doesn't reduce it in any way

[orchid lark]

Fuck you GW

[storm jungle]

Still stupid either way

so lmao

[crystal forum]

it would have been better if land had more relevance to lore

i think he has one book?

[orchid lark]

He did stuff

But everyone did stuff back then

He’s like 30k DaVinci or some shit

[crisp heath]

I mean I'm pretty sure the Sus-An organ is named after a real world Susan

So like not a great example to rag on

[orchid lark]

Its not

I believe there is a doctor named Sus-An in the books who was in the Astartes project

The Astartes are called that because theyre made by Dr Amar Astarte

[crystal forum]

emperor's flagship being named after alexander the great's horse

[crystal forum]

wait really

oh right yeah

actually

why the fuck did 80's nerds decide to name their big manly space marines after a greek goddess of love

[shadow plover]

because space marines are very gay

[outer wave]

I thought Astartes was Assyrian?

[orchid lark]

Assyrian yes

[crystal forum]

the name astarte is the ancient greek version of the original name

ashtart apparently

thanks google

[orchid lark]

What did you call me

[crisp heath]

Do there's a few things to consider here

[outer wave]

Yeah Hellenistic version of Ishtar

[crisp heath]

First, Astarte is very much a war deity lmao

[crystal forum]

a female one

[crisp heath]

But I actually don't think the Astartes are named after her

[storm jungle]

What did GW mean by this?

[outer wave]

Astartes was also goddess of beauty, love, and hunting

[crisp heath]

Because Astartes is also a greek term for a spearman, and it sounds bit like "astro"

So it's a space spearman

[outer wave]

Spearing each other more like

With you know

Haha

[crisp heath]

My bad, the Spearman is "Astatus"

[queen laurel]

I'm going to complete schrödinger's experiment by just straight up burning you with acid at this point

[crystal forum]

the only reason i know about astarte is because in divinity 2 there's an item called "astarte's tears" and i did the leonardo dicaprio meme with the whistling

[outer wave]

THANK YOU. Finally some good fucking ideas around here

[crystal forum]

the pointing one

funny thing i noticed in the fall of cadia novel

at one point the author uses "lasrifles" instead of "lasguns"