40k-lore-chat

[crisp heath]

Comedic genius, flashgitz, or running a cult

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/star-wars-memes/images/f/f0/Thereisanother.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20200325221837

[crisp heath]

Is it zone

Are you thinking of zone

[paper haven]

Out of all three? The cult is probably your best bet

[arctic talon]

Yes

[crisp heath]

Zone is a comedic genius, moving on

[paper haven]

I don't think we're supposed to talk about- yep

[crisp heath]

Very interesting how I can say "shad did [some horrible thing]" and no matter what I put in that blank you won't be able to tell which shad I'm talking about

[winged jacinth]

i think only one of them is a heroin addict

[paper haven]

Well. Maybe the name is cursed?

[green loom]

I put nothing past Shadiversity

Dude thinks women wearing pants is political activism
Like what is this, the 1850s?

[outer wave]

I thought she was talking about Shadman for a moment

[crisp heath]

That's the other shad yes

[outer wave]

He's out of jail now yeah?

[paper haven]

Because there is no justice in this world

[outer wave]

Eh he's mostly irrelevant and many of his former friends have broken ties

[paper haven]

Took them far too long to do so in my opinion, but probably not the most appropriate place for such talk

[remote widget]

WHY DOES IT MATTER SO MUCH to the jackasses. I am the only custodes player in my country, and they all have to whine and chip in. They are calling it DEIstodes and such at this point, and I am the one who hosts their events all at my private boat club, they post links to F****ING Arch and anon 4channers fake posts as their justifications and I am fed up of it, but I dont want to abandon the hobby, and my thousands of dollars of minis and accessories

But all they do is whine about how evil this retcon is, and 10 minutes later they were going on about how awesome it was that GW referenced the half eldar half SM ultramarine librarian,

Sorry if it seems I've been bringing this topic up a lot recently. But that is all the other club higher ups have been posting, even when I mute the chat

[paper haven]

There's a half eldar ultramarine librarian?

How?

[arctic talon]

not canon

he's from rogue trader

yeah

[paper haven]

Ah. Old lore

[arctic talon]

ngl my local community literally is the exact same

so

Results vary place to place

[paper haven]

I just don't really understand why it matters so much.

[dusk patrol]

I just always try to avoid bringing it up

[paper haven]

Very few people play custodes and it's not like they're very active in the modern setting

[arctic talon]

realistically it doesn't matter a ton imo, but I don't play custodes

[dusk patrol]

Every mfers got an opinion

[arctic talon]

of all the retcons GW has done in recent history this is like

nothing lol

in other news Tau have flipped back to having FTL again

[paper haven]

Right? There's way crazier stuff they retconned

[arctic talon]

as it should be

anyways I just choose to avoid the topic

because its exhausting and often circular

[paper haven]

FTL without the warp?

[arctic talon]

It skims the warp

sorta like skipping a stone

across water

[paper haven]

Closer to the webway but with tech instead of psychic... Stuff.

[arctic talon]

not really

the webway is more like a highway network inside the warp

and sometimes the warp breaks in

it'll get you from point A to point B but you need a gate between A and B

[radiant lance]

What do the necrons do

[paper haven]

It seems FTL travel is a big deal, and dealing with the warp is the source of a lot of problems.
How do the Tau avoid it or is there some other downside that makes it not viable?

[arctic talon]

The Tau simply skim ontop of the warp so to speak

its weird

They did develop an actual warp drive once

but uh went in without a gellar field

[arctic talon]

Either hijack the webway or use the inertialess drive

[radiant lance]

Would anything even notice them

[arctic talon]

which allows you to uh

[paper haven]

I'm pretty sure Necrons just travel normally

[arctic talon]

go very fucking fast

by breaking the laws of physics

[radiant lance]

What's this concept of relativity

[arctic talon]

Idk

ask GW

they came up with Necron ftl

[paper haven]

Just very fast since they don't have to worry about time and distance

[arctic talon]

and then retconned it

and then added it back

[paper haven]

GW changes a lot of stuff

[radiant lance]

Like custodes

[paper haven]

For example

[arctic talon]

Necrons are a big one

lol

Nids needing at least 50% of their army to be zoats is a funny one as well

[radiant lance]

First edition is pretty much an entirely different universe/IP

[arctic talon]

that was from 2e

🤓

[paper haven]

In terms of consequences to the lore, the primarchs having a mother who is the reason they were scattered is way more significant

[arctic talon]

regarding nids and zoats

[radiant lance]

Sensei and the space baby are the dumbest ones tbh

[arctic talon]

Zoats got deleted from existance in 3e

[radiant lance]

Squatted

[arctic talon]

Nids didn't properly exist during rogue trader

[paper haven]

Even the Tau FTL thing.

[arctic talon]

the biggest "modern" retcon is either Necrons or Leagues of Votann

or I guess just leagues of votann

[radiant lance]

Yeah none of 40k is possible without FTL

[arctic talon]

since they're newer

[radiant lance]

I don't think they understand how relativity works

[arctic talon]

but Necrons pretty much rewrote

a lot of lore lol

Eldar lore, Ork lore

existing necron lore

[paper haven]

Yeah Necrons were redone completely

[arctic talon]

some stuff about humans

[radiant lance]

like custodes

[arctic talon]

Custodes didn't exist the way we know them till 7e tbf

[radiant lance]

They were like half naked

[arctic talon]

hey that was only that mini

and uh

[paper haven]

Didn't they used to just be golden space Marines?

[arctic talon]

no they just had 0 fucking lore lol

other then they guard the emperor

[radiant lance]

And collect his dust to make grenades

[paper haven]

Oh. Fair.

[radiant lance]

For some reason

[paper haven]

Dust? From a skeleton?

[arctic talon]

but yeah these were the first modern custodes minis

[radiant lance]

Can I snort Emperor dust

[arctic talon]

this is the oldest custodes mini ever

[paper haven]

I wouldn't recommend it

[radiant lance]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Psyk-out

[arctic talon]

very big change in aesthetic lol

[paper haven]

But-

[radiant lance]

When they detonate, they release fine dust particles which are heavily impregnated with negative psychic energy. This form of energy is extremely rare; in all of human space it can be obtained mainly as a by-product of the Emperor's metabolism,[1] but at the same time Inquisition is able to render down the same materials from the rarely captured Sensei.

Sensei, actually dumbest thing I've read about in 40k lore

[paper haven]

The emperor. Isn't a blank.

[radiant lance]

Tell that to GW

[arctic talon]

good thing they aren't canon anymore lol

as far as we know

[paper haven]

Like, he cannot be a blank or the astronomicon wouldn't work

This hurts my head

[arctic talon]

it isn't blank energy tbf

regarding psykout dust

[radiant lance]

It's just the dust he shits out when he farts that can be turned into fun anti psyker dust

[arctic talon]

its "negatively charged psychic energy"

which seems to me more like

[radiant lance]

Or something. I have no fucking clue

[arctic talon]

energy that comes from trying to fuck with other psykers casting

stuff like Deny the witch tests and the like

[paper haven]

Wouldn't emperor dust be heavily psychic?

[arctic talon]

well yes

but it doesn't mean that all of it is "charged" the same way

he's trying to keep a gaping hole in reality shut

[paper haven]

Uh huh

[arctic talon]

I'd assume most of it is going towards channeling like

that to stay clossed

[radiant lance]

Do the custodes just empty out a big vacuum cleaner into the "use for grenades" bin?

[arctic talon]

idfk

psykout grenades are weird

[paper haven]

Well yeah. Thanks Magnus.

[radiant lance]

Anything related to the sensei is a clusterfuck of bad lore

STAR CHILD

[paper haven]

Legit did more damage than the heresy with that one

Honestly I sort of missed the star child stuff.

[radiant lance]

How do you render down a sensei into a psykout grenade

[paper haven]

Seems like I'm better off for it

[radiant lance]

Is it like getting glue from a horse

[arctic talon]

Sensei don't exist anymore

[radiant lance]

Is there like a big pot where you just boil down sensei soup

[arctic talon]

praise be

[paper haven]

I assume a large grinder is needed

[arctic talon]

I'd assume they somehow get vaporized into dust

[radiant lance]

Actual worst lore

The dark king is an interesting bit, but it's also in the sensei clusterfuck area

[winged jacinth]

Put a whole sensei in a big centrifuge

[radiant lance]

Since the main character sensei just talked down daddy Emps from becoming it

[winged jacinth]

Did the tau actually lose their skimmer ftl? They had new weird ftl that tore a hole in reality when they used too many at once and retired that for a while

[arctic talon]

They did lose their skimmer FTL in 6e,7e and 8e

It got retconned into "near FTL"

which is stupid

They got it back in 9e

[winged jacinth]

They invented the antimatter slipstream drive in 8 which is interesting

[paper haven]

Tau without FTL are a non-player in the great game

[winged jacinth]

And in that lore it says crossing the empire took "months"

Light takes over a year to leave the oort cloud around sol lol

[arctic talon]

yeah idk Tau FTL is a mess

I'm glad GW seems to have stuck with them having FTL in 9e and 10e

god please don't do anything stupid in the tau codex regarding FTL

I can't take it

[winged jacinth]

Make the slipstream modules work good... make them so much faster...

[arctic talon]

Narwhal ship

[winged jacinth]

I haven't read the novel but apparently its antimatter based non warp travel but TOO much antimatter explodes a hole into the warp i guess?

[arctic talon]

tau edition

[paper haven]

I suppose they could have Mass effect style jump points instead. Meaning once they build it, they can zip around pretty fast but they need to actually reach and control a place before they can build it. Thus why they expand slower.

[winged jacinth]

I want the slipstream module in the forefront because i want to see GW not understand antimatter more

[paper haven]

Oh, they don't even understand gravity

Antimatter is just. Well maybe they'll surprise us.

[sacred ginkgo]

Speaking of which wouldn’t Terra have a higher gravity than it does now?

Oh shit I left @ on

[young pecan]

How do tyranids go fast in space anyway?

I thought they just

Floated

Until they got somewhere en masse

[paper haven]

Rip

[winged jacinth]

It would be funny if in the 40k universe the matter parity problem was solved by all the antimatter condensing and then obliterating itself into warp storms

[winged jacinth]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Narvhal

[paper haven]

As for the question, no clue. I barely understand gravity but I know enough to know GW is wrong.

[sacred ginkgo]

I mostly say that because the entire planet is a city made of more metal than exists on earth normally

[young pecan]

Narwhal mentioned (⁉️)

[winged jacinth]

Its a fucked up interpretation of an alcubierre drive more or less

[sacred ginkgo]

So it would probably have a slightly higher gravity than it does now

[winged jacinth]

Marginally yeah

[paper haven]

I would assume if there was a significant amount of mass added to terra, then yes

[winged jacinth]

The earth is very heavy already however

[storm jungle]

They deffo had to read some science book for this one

because its pretty creative and would be very hard to come up with

lmao

[paper haven]

And I mean a significant amount of mass

[winged jacinth]

Bingo https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alcubierre_drive

[paper haven]

I'm more curious about the water.

[sacred ginkgo]

It’s not like it would change literally anything but I think it’s just neat to think about

[paper haven]

Did they just. Export it all?

[winged jacinth]

Blame the men of gold or something

[arctic talon]

its in people

[winged jacinth]

It was gone by techno barbarian times

[arctic talon]

there's still some water tbf

in sewers

[paper haven]

Oh, robots did it.

[arctic talon]

also its prolly in the atmosphere as well

[paper haven]

Yeah but the oceans are gone.

[arctic talon]

I'd assume terra is very humid

[paper haven]

That is a lot of water

[arctic talon]

idfk don't think about it

There's quadrillions of people on terra

[paper haven]

I think the lore says it all evaporated in nuclear fire which. No.

[arctic talon]

if it evaporated it would rain back down

I'd assume terra does still have some water on it

[storm jungle]

Yeah also like Terra is entirely reliant on outside ships

[arctic talon]

Its just like

[storm jungle]

they stop or blockade shit sometimes

[arctic talon]

not drinkable

[storm jungle]

and millions of people die

[arctic talon]

or pottable

[storm jungle]

lmao

[arctic talon]

great rift opening

[storm jungle]

its mostly established the entire planet is fucked

[arctic talon]

caused horrific food riots and famine

lol

and then The Daemonic incursion™️

[paper haven]

Also true. They need to constantly import water

[arctic talon]

there's def some sort of actual water supply on terra now tbh

[sacred ginkgo]

I wonder what the climates like

[arctic talon]

but not very much

my assumption is humid and miserable personally

[paper haven]

Which means water is being added, albeit slowly

[sacred ginkgo]

And if it’s consistent across the planet or not

[paper haven]

It seems like Terra is basically either hive city, shrines, or radioactive wasteland

Often combinations thereof

[arctic talon]

It’s all megastructure nowadays iirc

Or at least covered

Terra is classified as an ecuminopilus

[paper haven]

I admit that it was 30k where I read most about Terra so. Could just all be hive city by now

But I know there isn't any water.

[winged jacinth]

They added the floating continents once they ran out of ground i think

[arctic talon]

Terra is truly one of the greatest shitholes of the imperium

[paper haven]

Orbital plates, right? Or did they add something besides that?

Because. Like. I have concerns about continent sized masses of metal hovering over densely populated areas

[winged jacinth]

simply dont worry about it

but yeah the orbital plates are tectonic plate sized iirc

[paper haven]

Roger, not worrying about it

[winged jacinth]

oh they've apparently run out of the ones on terra

must not have been tectonic plate sized since the white scars blew one up

[arctic talon]

Lol

[winged jacinth]

i dont think they meant for it to appear as low as it is lmao

[arctic talon]

Artistic license

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think they were that big

But they were huge

Our only real first hand example besides that art is the last one still active during the siege

Which Jaghatai used to cover his offensive toward Lions Port

[paper haven]

That is.... Super low

[dusk patrol]

That’s in the Himalayan’s

[paper haven]

Like, the people below it are panicking

[dusk patrol]

They decommissioned all but one before the siege

Due to obvious issues they could cause

[winged jacinth]

only one plate survived past the heresy and the last one was destroyed in the white scars counterattack on the lions gate

[paper haven]

I figured since they're custodes that it's the Himalayas. Still. Way too close to the ground

[dusk patrol]

But they could have recommissioned some

[winged jacinth]

that's the imperial palace yeah

[dusk patrol]

Idk

[winged jacinth]

but they're supposed to be in space

[dusk patrol]

I haven’t heard they had but maybe

[winged jacinth]

that one is hovering like a UFO about to steal some cattle lol

i think the imperium is still capable of building them just not as good as the old ones

[dusk patrol]

There’s a perspective thing going on I think too tbh

I didn’t remember that from the book but cool

[winged jacinth]

they're basically just "the biggest space station the imperium can possibly build"

[dusk patrol]

The Ramiel class forts are almost certainly bigger

They dwarf insanely big ships

[winged jacinth]

yeah but they're still able to be towed through the warp

[dusk patrol]

They’re basically as big as the Phalanx just the Phalanx has its own propulsion

[paper haven]

Quite possible that the writers and artists simply don't understand what objects of that size are actually like

[winged jacinth]

the phalanx is described as being the size of a small moon which is the least descriptive possible size

[paper haven]

This battle has 1000 people in it. Wait that's not epic enough. 1 million soldiers! On both sides!

[winged jacinth]

the smallest moon in our system is about 7 miles across (deimos) which is not that big as far as 40k descriptions go

and that's only counting "true moons"

[paper haven]

Fans are impossible to please

I say this as a fan, knowing full well that I am also impossible to please because I already don't like Amazon or GW.

[winged jacinth]

speaking of huge spaceships, how big are the craftworlds?

[arctic talon]

very

[paper haven]

Very

[winged jacinth]

they're definitely fuckhueg and can handily defeat an entire imperial battlefleet

[arctic talon]

GW has never give an offical measurement

but in BFGA2

the entire craftworld

is the background of a battle map

[storm jungle]

Entirely depends on the craftworld

[arctic talon]

^

[storm jungle]

every craftworld is unique

[arctic talon]

but generally speaking the size is large

[storm jungle]

they go from the size of a moon to a planet but as a ship

[arctic talon]

and its length is yes

[paper haven]

Enough to be considered a "world"

[storm jungle]

yep hence the name

[winged jacinth]

its interesting that alaitoc is the craftworld being hinted at for darktide too since they mostly care about necrons

[paper haven]

Safe to say you can't just walk across it end to end

[storm jungle]

theres bio-domes dedicated to shit like mountain ranges lol

or oceans

[winged jacinth]

also can they do warp travel? i have to imagine they get around somehow and cant imagine they can go through the webway considering they contain webway gates

[storm jungle]

Eldar dont do warp travel

they do travel through webway gates

[paper haven]

I think Eldar do their best to avoid the warp

[storm jungle]

which can go from the size of an actual door, to a house t oa fuck-off massive one that can house craftworlds for passage

the webway gates inside are for smaller ships to travel through or war-hosts of armies

[paper haven]

Given, past events. Ones that, funny enough, require craft worlds in the first place.

[arctic talon]

Ulthwe in question

[winged jacinth]

that leads to some interesting limitations to how craftworlds can be positioned and also the question what happens if you go through a webway gate when you're already in the webway

[storm jungle]

you simply appear somewhere else

[paper haven]

Super webway

[storm jungle]

they got their own navigation techniques

[arctic talon]

webway inception is fine

[winged jacinth]

dev room

[storm jungle]

the webway is like a scooby doo door gag

[arctic talon]

you do not get sent to the fallout 76 dev room

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/supernatural-run-scooby-natural-spn-family-jared-gif-11513206

[arctic talon]

where you're banned from reality

[paper haven]

But sometimes there are dark elves behind those doors. Or like, the center of a star.

[storm jungle]

we do a little trolling

[dusk patrol]

They’re generally pretty good at closing the hazardous ones but

Tomfoolery happens and someone has to figure out it’s hazardous first

Womp womp

[paper haven]

We engage in a bit of tomfoolery.
-Eldar, prior to Slaanesh

[arctic talon]

do you think they stick a long pole through

and if it comes back on fire

[dusk patrol]

Also it’s funny with how big the Webway is they talk about Eldar titans patrolling it but like

[arctic talon]

they sseal it

[winged jacinth]

i mean specifically craftworlds can only be in systems with giant orbital webway gates (unless they can forge their own gates from the inside), which is a weakness i assume games workshop will never exploit

[dusk patrol]

That’s like me patrolling the sun.

[storm jungle]

No they gotta go through an actual big one that allows something of that size

[arctic talon]

Those huge gates are replicatable very slowly

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

but yeah they need to go through the giant fuck off gates

[dusk patrol]

They can also warp travel too

If they have to

[storm jungle]

Yeah but they never do

so like lol

[winged jacinth]

ah ok

[storm jungle]

its suicide

[arctic talon]

they do in battlefleet gothic

[dusk patrol]

They should try it more

[storm jungle]

I know 💀

but Battlefleet gothic lore has always been very shoddy

[winged jacinth]

it avoids the problem of "your gate got blown up and your craftworld is stuck here for 100 years until you build a new one"

[storm jungle]

since like the entire game is "we need ships fighting ships"

[storm jungle]

They can just go to another one

theres billions of em

[arctic talon]

there's a lot of webway gates in random ass places

[dusk patrol]

Be kind boring if the game was “fuck space is big”

[arctic talon]

space trash

[winged jacinth]

yeah but without ftl they'd be impossibly far apart

[dusk patrol]

“Can’t find shit”

[storm jungle]

it was so boring it got shitcanned as it is

[arctic talon]

I've never played it so I can't say lol

[dusk patrol]

The table top was ok

[winged jacinth]

again it takes a whole year for light to leave the outer edge of our solar system's influence

[dusk patrol]

The video game is better

[storm jungle]

The Eldar once traversed the entire galaxy, the trope with webway gates is theres as many as the plot requires

also eldar ships are not shitty human ships

they are state of the art, they still move relatively fast

[arctic talon]

Eldar ships are fuckin weird

[storm jungle]

they are a post-scarcity society

[arctic talon]

everyone elses ships make a lot more sense other then eldar lol

[storm jungle]

its literally space magic

so lol

[arctic talon]

regarding the methodology of giant fucking thrusters

[dusk patrol]

More like silver spoon trust fund magic space frog of the art smh

[winged jacinth]

im talking about one specific situation in which say, the imperium is assaulting a craftworld and they blow up the craftworld sized gate to prevent it from leaving the system

[storm jungle]

shut up ironboy

[storm jungle]

a craftworld has enough firepower to decimate an entire system fleet

[arctic talon]

well the craftworld would simply begin going towards the next one while fighting said fleet

[winged jacinth]

yeah thats why you blow up the gate and run away

[arctic talon]

run away

[storm jungle]

okay then they'll just go to another one

[arctic talon]

from an eldar ship

[storm jungle]

^

they'll hunt you down

lmao

[winged jacinth]

and then again, travelling between systems without ftl?

[storm jungle]

AARGHHHHHH

THEIR SHIPS ARE ADVANCED

THEY DO FINE

[arctic talon]

there's most likely multiple in the same system

[dusk patrol]

Eldar are the billionaire kids you meet in NYC and Miami who don’t get why you haven’t been to Ibiza and Morocco

[arctic talon]

knowing how many fucking webway gates

there are randomly

on some backwater shithole

[storm jungle]

Webway gates are literally as numerous as the plot demands

theres ones on terra

[winged jacinth]

yeah LITTLE ONES

[storm jungle]

theres ones on baal

theres ones on cadia

FUCKING

EVERYWHERE

[dusk patrol]

There’s one in your butt

[arctic talon]

the one on cadia was big enough to fit space ships in

[winged jacinth]

you cant fit a fuckin craftworld through a regular ass gate

[arctic talon]

Idk

[storm jungle]

THE SIZE VARIES

[arctic talon]

I think there's enough big ones

sitting around

As plot wills it

[dusk patrol]

The point is there’s jsut a lot of them

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/dune-dune-part-2-stilgar-fremen-disbelief-gif-10329832144102306343

[storm jungle]

their entire point is they are everywhere and in any size

theres no argument against it

because its just space magic

[dusk patrol]

Sometimes your ship is too big to get through the gate which is a very relatable experience I’ve definitely had

[storm jungle]

🕳️

https://tenor.com/view/tren-estrecho-gif-23673496

[winged jacinth]

tfw every system has redundant moon sized webway gates

[dusk patrol]

I hope that train took the mountain to dinner first at least smh

[storm jungle]

its the same as how every system has a mandevile point for the Imperium

theres some dumb explanation for it and we simply cope

as is written

[dusk patrol]

The point is it’s more fun if there’s a gate there

[storm jungle]

fast travel smh

[winged jacinth]

mandeville points are a physical property of star systems as far as i can tell

[dusk patrol]

Just like it’s more fun if every system has like fifty planets with habitable environments

[storm jungle]

okay but like

[arctic talon]

also attacking a webway gate is an easy way to piss off the craftworld eldar and harlequins and drukhari all at once

[snow fern]

Eldar can’t pick too many fights because they’re going extinct and will die in droves if it’s a SM book and they need to look cool

[storm jungle]

mandeville points are entirely made up

[arctic talon]

hell it might also piss off necrons lol

[winged jacinth]

also they should be called mandeville radiuses?

[arctic talon]

if they're mooching off the webway gate

[storm jungle]

Also just got infinite numbers because they are a major faction vice versa

get to cloning folks

[dusk patrol]

I’m gonna miss the mendeville point with my foot and crash it into your butt

[arctic talon]

There are as many Craftworld eldar as plot demands

there are literally as many Drukhari as plot demands via cloning

[storm jungle]

Yeah go look up a list

its endless

lmao

[storm jungle]

To be fair that one is at least explained

[snow fern]

The dinosaur eldar are the best just saying

[storm jungle]

they literally spawn vatborn druks and toss them to the street

lmao

[arctic talon]

yeah I said via cloning lol

[storm jungle]

also Commorragh is like

[dusk patrol]

We don’t get the stories where the elder go “oh damn no gate”

[storm jungle]

literally endless

[dusk patrol]

Cause that’s boring

[storm jungle]

Yep, EVERY TIME theres a webway gate

from 30k to 40k

its plot convenience

but it has a excuse at least

[arctic talon]

scream at a warlock till they get sad and take up bone singing instead

problem solved/j

They can sing up a fresh gate for you lol

[paper haven]

Eldar always have a gate nearby

[storm jungle]

[snow fern]

I still gotta decide if ima kill murazhai when I reach him in rt or not

[dusk patrol]

Me, an Eldar Ranger, not really sure if my Farseer is looking at the big picture with us attacking this drop pod on a strange world

[storm jungle]

Marazhai is great

but like

[snow fern]

I really want to kill all the drukhari

[storm jungle]

he outlives his usefulness a lot lol

i simply have him because hes hot

[dusk patrol]

You can let daemons eat him rafter you escape

Which is fun

[paper haven]

You destroyed that gate yes, but did you also destroy the smaller, even more well hidden gate beneath that?

[snow fern]

You can leak the warp into Cammorogh which is funny

[arctic talon]

Its a webway gate

[dusk patrol]

Or just give him to the Inquisition

[arctic talon]

inside of a webway gate

[storm jungle]

that is a regular occurence

so

💀

[snow fern]

Damn

I wanted to be petty and awful

[paper haven]

I think dark Eldar let daemons in to fuck with their rivals

[storm jungle]

Dark Eldar can literally shoot black holes at you, warp poratls opening is like hobos invading Miami beaches for them

[dusk patrol]

The Drukhari backstab eachother so much they create a temporal rift where it somehow reverses how much they should fall apart

[arctic talon]

still one of the most interesting looking eldar things GW has released

[storm jungle]

It makes a bit of sense for the mos tpart

[arctic talon]

Since it doesn't look properly craftworld or drukhari

[paper haven]

Like they don't really need to they just think it's funny

[orchid lark]

Old ottoman empire architecture be like

[arctic talon]

LOL

[snow fern]

I really wish they’d let us level companions from 1 like in Pillars 2. Like they really just figured it out then and other CRPGs never picked it up

[dusk patrol]

Their culture is built around being an asshole

[storm jungle]

All thanks to Vect so that nobody notices him Gus Fringing everyone

[paper haven]

And somehow it still exists

[dusk patrol]

They hire the snek dudes cause they’re actually reliable

[snow fern]

Drukhari are the worst

[storm jungle]

yeah because its massive

[dusk patrol]

They don’t trust other Drukhari mostly to guard their back

[storm jungle]

you cant destroy it unless you are daemons/chaos

[dusk patrol]

Incubi are probably the most reliable ones and even them

[arctic talon]

Incubi are horribly sadistic still

[orchid lark]

Drukhari is pretty cool, tortures people and isnt afraid of anything

[snow fern]

Like at least chaos is more like a venomous force of nature, Drukhari actively choose to suck

[arctic talon]

honorable (for a drukhari)

[storm jungle]

Suck?

more like bing chilling

[arctic talon]

like how they're

fast (for a dwarf)

[paper haven]

No, they are definitely afraid of something

[dusk patrol]

See they’re dishonest

And a dishonest man you can always trust to be dishonest

Honestly

[paper haven]

One thing in particular, actually

[storm jungle]

They pretty much relish what they are for the most part

[snow fern]

What kinda ass shows up says hi and steals a sun?

[storm jungle]

looks at admech

[paper haven]

We needed that sun

[orchid lark]

The Ctan

Sucking up my sun

[paper haven]

For things

[storm jungle]

sucking your WHAT

[winged jacinth]

i think the votann regularly steal planets

[storm jungle]

they dont steal em

they crack em

[dusk patrol]

They eat them

[orchid lark]

Ishimura

[paper haven]

Isn't that worse?

[storm jungle]

Uhh

sucks to be you

cock and stone time

[snow fern]

Ngl, they really didn’t try hard to convince me not to blow up a potential daemon world

[winged jacinth]

your fault for living on a mineral rich planet!

[orchid lark]

Cock and gooch says the votann

[dusk patrol]

Fuck terribly quality

[snow fern]

Is there any faction not stealing suns?

[outer wave]

"Gimme the cocka."

• Notable Votaan leader, 41st millennium.

[dusk patrol]

Eh whatever

[winged jacinth]

the tau are working on it i imagine

[orchid lark]

Just a mega structure, very casually a megastructure in 40k

[paper haven]

Dear biomass, if you don't want to be eaten then why are you edible?
Change my mind.
-Tyrannid hivemind

[arctic talon]

Tau made one explode

[dusk patrol]

This one is a stupid meme one but

Little better

[storm jungle]

Based dwarfs

[orchid lark]

Mmm Voretann

Its why theyre round

[storm jungle]

BRUH

[winged jacinth]

i love the tau because they're really the first faction in the galaxy's history to engage in independent, non psychic, super science and they're being very irresponsible with it

[storm jungle]

they should learn a thing or two from the Covenant

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/saltzpyre-saltzpyre-no-warrior-priest-no-saltzpyre-warrior-priest-no-vermintide-gif-24413806

[storm jungle]

anyone remember Engineers lol

[winged jacinth]

yeah lol but only from halo wars

[storm jungle]

well

if you got psychics in your army

just attach some bombs to them

[orchid lark]

Yeah i remember him

[storm jungle]

nothing can go wrong

[orchid lark]

Builds sentries

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

SHUT UP

[dusk patrol]

Engineers show up in a few different games

[storm jungle]

ODST was their first appearance i think

my halo lore is rusty

[dusk patrol]

I think so

Not sure

[orchid lark]

My favourite engineer is in star wars battlefront

[arctic talon]

First apperance despite being planned for 3 seperate games lol

[orchid lark]

Has a shotgun

[arctic talon]

pretty funny

[storm jungle]

Bungine Moment

[paper haven]

First appearance in the games

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think they appeared in the books prior

[paper haven]

Unless halo wars came out before ODST?

I don't think so

[storm jungle]

Bro they were planned since Halo CE apparently

[arctic talon]

I'm talking about FPS games

yeah

they have models in CE lol

[dusk patrol]

They might have appeared in the books first honestly

Not sure

[arctic talon]

la cretura

[storm jungle]

Average 40k redditors

[orchid lark]

Damn johnson didnt know you threw it back like that

[paper haven]

Definitely appeared in the books first

[snow fern]

Engineers were in 3 i believe

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/metroid-samus-aran-animated-speedrun-terminal-montage-the-baby-gif-17219533

[arctic talon]

They were not

only in Halo 3 odst

[dusk patrol]

This is a deep cut meme

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-terminal-montage-gif-18704698

[storm jungle]

that moment when a fucking sea-eel jellyfish has a more original design than most 40k aliens

creative moment

[orchid lark]

Because it looks stupid

[storm jungle]

you look stupid

grey-alien lookin' ass

[winged jacinth]

everybody gangsta until the tau accidentally the men of iron again but with FTL they can use

[orchid lark]

I mean yeah

[storm jungle]

Its not as likely

they treat their AI with respect ironically lol

also drones got the mind of puppies

unless Ethereal O'bama is in charge

[orchid lark]

You got the mind of puppies

[storm jungle]

[winged jacinth]

yeah and they like to bake the brains of dead tau into the more advanced ai

[dusk patrol]

Tbf their AI is also dumb as shit rn compared DAoT AI

[storm jungle]

yeah because they probably dont want actual fucking terminators walking around

[dusk patrol]

I’m sure nothing bad will come of letting an AI impersonate their dear leader

[orchid lark]

What if Sun Tzu was an AI

Thanks tau

[storm jungle]

China???

[winged jacinth]

the tau are funny because they're progressing at such an insane pace

[dusk patrol]

North Korea smh

China is uh

[storm jungle]

Ethereal K'im my beloved

[dusk patrol]

Esteemed Wonder Glorious Leader

[winged jacinth]

they've only been spacefaring for like, 1000 years?

[storm jungle]

yeah its not been a huge time

the problem is

[winged jacinth]

civilization speedrun

[storm jungle]

they arent allowed to advance because plot lol

does a massive tech-leap

hits a wall when they reach the current setting

yeah makes sense

[orchid lark]

Third tau expansion into more shit

[storm jungle]

its the same as how tyranids always make the same old ass bioforms

because tabletop

[winged jacinth]

they can make a new ftl drive and use it to blow up reality by accident

[arctic talon]

When we get upgraded tau minis

we'll get more lore on new suits

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

The same way farsight has a new suit model in lore

[orchid lark]

Tyranids should make crab tanks

[snow fern]

It’s why Commorgh exists because else the galaxy woulda got rid of this bdsm jackasses eons ago

[arctic talon]

thats a more refined version of the coldstar battle suit

Its the XV86 Supernova or whatever

[winged jacinth]

i'd like to see a war between commoragh and a necron dynasty that's found its way there from a dolmen gate

[snow fern]

If anybody other than orks has ‘won’ 40k is the damn drukhari

[arctic talon]

you can see some similarities between the 2

but one is simply a newer better version

I'd assume the coldstar is no longer experimental lore wise

and is "standard"

[orchid lark]

The closest thing a western company has made to Japanese mecha

[arctic talon]

the new suit farsight stole aquired

[orchid lark]

Now that I think about it

[arctic talon]

is the new experimental version

[winged jacinth]

this is the marketing idea yes

[orchid lark]

Like why do western devs love trashcan with chicken legs

What if we made a mech

[winged jacinth]

tank aesthetic

[orchid lark]

Based around this trashcan I saw

But it had the the chicken legs i ate

[winged jacinth]

also im not sure what ip you're referencing specifically lol

[arctic talon]

Lore wise the Iridium battlesuit is also standard armor now

[winged jacinth]

battletech mechs look good

[arctic talon]

so the uparmored battle suits are standard now

[orchid lark]

Titanfall devs be like, what if Mechs could nom you haha

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/armored-core-armored-core-5-armored-core-verdict-day-armored-core-6-for-answer-gif-17117409394743902870

[orchid lark]

Like what if

[arctic talon]

Armored core 5 moemnt

Armored core 5 are the most western looking mechs I've seen made by Japanese devs

[winged jacinth]

madcat mk2 my beloved

[snow fern]

Why do mechs all need to be power rangers ripoffs?

[dusk patrol]

All I can think every time the animations play for entering and exiting mechs in titan fall is how much could go wrong with that.

[arctic talon]

fucking brick shithouse

[winged jacinth]

titanfall mechs are often kinda orbular yeah

[arctic talon]

Titanfall mechs are quite round

[dusk patrol]

Especially with how tight the space is

[orchid lark]

Noms you says the Scorch

[snow fern]

I like the mgs metal gears

[dusk patrol]

I hate the metal gears unfortunately

Some work for me better but

[orchid lark]

Metal Gears kinda funky

[dusk patrol]

The dumb animal shit I just

Don’t enjoy

[orchid lark]

What if robots moo at me

[snow fern]

Geckos arent mechs they’re ai

[winged jacinth]

catapult my beloved

[storm jungle]

WHAT ANIMALS

[orchid lark]

Avatar did have the best mechsuit ive seen around least

That and Matrix 3

[winged jacinth]

yeah i dunno the story behind gekkos but theres not a person inside

[dusk patrol]

All the roaring and animal movements they do

[storm jungle]

you suck

smh

[snow fern]

It’s said the mooing is supposed to be a psych thing

[orchid lark]

Machines roaring are cool

[dusk patrol]

Kojima is hugely overrated imo

[winged jacinth]

in metal gear its probably got a biological brain inside

[orchid lark]

Like Zoids

[storm jungle]

its to make you think theres no danger, its a japanese thing apparently

[dusk patrol]

As much as I love Metal Gear

[storm jungle]

gekkos also shit out lactic acid

since their legs are organic

lol

[winged jacinth]

the same semi-organic stuff they put in cyborgs

[snow fern]

Artifical muscle sounds neat

[dusk patrol]

Kojima needs someone who slaps him when he has dumb ideas

[storm jungle]

Yeah their legs are artifically grown for combat-use

[outer wave]

Charger my beloved

[arctic talon]

woe, death stranding be upon ye

[orchid lark]

Dang it

[storm jungle]

Mostly agreed

[dusk patrol]

Fuck me I hate the plot of that stupid game

[orchid lark]

Kojima needs more money so he can have more stupid ideas

Fuck it

[dusk patrol]

It’s not even that complicated really it’s just dumb

[storm jungle]

i hate him from how he treated David Hayter too which is just incredibly stupid lol

[dusk patrol]

And poorly told

[orchid lark]

Based Kojima

Fuck it

[dusk patrol]

He does make fun games mostly though

[storm jungle]

BRUH

[dusk patrol]

His stories just suck

[winged jacinth]

death stranding's plot makes sense until the last few hours of it which are ??????

[storm jungle]

ALL YOU NEED TO KNOW

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it’s not really like

That hard to get

[storm jungle]

IS KOJIMA WANTS TO GO ON A DATE WITH MADS

[dusk patrol]

It’s just dumb and told dumb

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/clifford-unger-mads-mikkelsen-wink-winking-cliff-gif-23829648

[winged jacinth]

kojima loves actors

was he behind kiefer sutherland snake?

[orchid lark]

Kojima has a good pulse on the world sure, but he has a stupid way explaining shit

[snow fern]

I like Lancer’s mechs a bunch

[dusk patrol]

I actually felt uncomfortable with how much he simps for some of the actors in his games

Lancer is great

[winged jacinth]

yeah lancer is dope

[orchid lark]

Looks like lego, love it

[winged jacinth]

i'd like to play a campaign in lancer

[dusk patrol]

Lancer has all sorts of mechs

[winged jacinth]

or battletech for that matter

lancer's art is by the kill 6 billion demons guy

so its all sick

[outer wave]

Lancer is one of those tabletops I want to like but am not sure if I would enjoy actually playing wouldnt mind trying one day though

[storm jungle]

Id say female actors especially but male ones too are just 💀

I cant say he sexualizes female characters because MGS has some of the most homoerotic shit in existence

lmao

[orchid lark]

Kojima just has the weirdest goals for a person

[winged jacinth]

its at least better than quentin tarantino writing himself sucking toes into his own movies

[storm jungle]

UNLESS ITS SALMA HAYEK

[dusk patrol]

Mfw I didn’t feel bad when I learned why quiet can’t wear clothes cause it felt like a reason 14 year old me would come up with for why a girl has to wear a bikini

[orchid lark]

We would be the same if we had that much access to hollywood

[storm jungle]

i cant blame Quentin for that one

[winged jacinth]

also writing himself saying the n word lol

[orchid lark]

Having him meet Guillermo Del Toro definitely was the worst thing the world has done

Cause I think that expedited everything

[storm jungle]

I cant judge that either

because he made Django

lmao

[dusk patrol]

If Samuel L Jackson doesn’t care I can’t really care

[green loom]

He explodes in that movie also

[orchid lark]

Quentin watched scorsese once and was like yeah I can say it too

[storm jungle]

to be fair all his movies are pretty good

[winged jacinth]

two overly excited ideas guys reflecting eachother's energy....

[storm jungle]

people just got preferences

also toes

[orchid lark]

Suck’em

[snow fern]

I refuse to believe straight mgs fans exist

[storm jungle]

they dont

[orchid lark]

They di

Theyre ftm

[storm jungle]

you should have seen the reaction when MGS2 came out with Raiden

a literal twink in 2002

literally unheard of

[winged jacinth]

i only like revengeance

[storm jungle]

lmao

[storm jungle]

YOU'RE GAY

[winged jacinth]

the greatest game ever made

[orchid lark]

My first metal gear game

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/jetstream-sam-gif-24628814

[orchid lark]

Is Mesal Gear Solid

[snow fern]

That shit eating grin

[winged jacinth]

every monologue in revengeance is pure gold

[arctic talon]

Revengence is batshit insane as a game tbh

[snow fern]

Remember how a spy got his cover blown because Vulkan noticed his dick was different from the person he was impersonating

Utter batshit writing

[storm jungle]

VULKAN?

You mean Volgin

[dusk patrol]

Wat

[winged jacinth]

let raiden suplex a metal gear stop complaining

[snow fern]

Ah. Russian

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-gauss-prime-gauss-prime-gif-75756005512206371

[storm jungle]

also he noticed because he was his boyfriend

lmao

[arctic talon]

well that makes sense

lol

sorta

[dusk patrol]

Least Hom o ero tic mgs moment

Hah

[storm jungle]

LEGIT

[dusk patrol]

Take that bot

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/mgs3-metal-gear-gif-18665458

💀

[snow fern]

Remember when revolver killed bees by gun spinning? MGS3 is peak fiction

[storm jungle]

MGS3 is giga-tier

NOT FOR HONOR

BUT FOR YOUUUU

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-ladder-climb-gif-13097968

[orchid lark]

Bane eater

[dusk patrol]

Just an regular old dick check

[winged jacinth]

one of the enemy operatives is a LITERAL GHOST in 3

[storm jungle]

Chapter Master business

[arctic talon]

the fucking ladder climb

[dusk patrol]

You can fake a face, you can fake a voice, you can fake an outfit, but you can’t fake a dick

[snow fern]

Ladders are not allowed to be normal anymore just because of that game like

Imagine that level of influence

[storm jungle]

You also actually need to listen to Snake Eater while climbing

[winged jacinth]

snake eater is a killer song, the ultimate bond theme and its not even a bond song

[storm jungle]

absolute hype

lmao

[storm jungle]

Up there with Wires and Chains

https://youtu.be/u15tEo0wsQI?t=147

[snow fern]

Phantom Liberty is so good

[arctic talon]

Sins of the father

lol

[snow fern]

King of Wands best ending

[winged jacinth]

yeah good dlc

[storm jungle]

really makes me sad what happened to the game

[dusk patrol]

Still need to play it

[storm jungle]

Its good

you'll love the borgs

you fucking freak

[arctic talon]

Maelstrom are funny lol

[storm jungle]

well not just them

[dusk patrol]

[arctic talon]

I like the animations when you hack them lol

[storm jungle]

I love how one dude has like his entire face with some bionics

you ask why hes like that

and he just goes

[arctic talon]

with how the fire fucking spits out of their eyes

[storm jungle]

"idk it looked cool"

[arctic talon]

I am a fan of over the top death animations

and Cyberpunk 2077 delivers

in spades lol

[winged jacinth]

in about 6 months i'll probably play cyberpunk all the way through again

[snow fern]

Monowire is pretty fun

[arctic talon]

ngl 2077 is still a mess balance wise but idc

its fun lol

[winged jacinth]

have to wait for CDPR to finish all patches because they break every mod in the game with every patch

[snow fern]

Let me feel like the butler from hellsing

[arctic talon]

in the next game I hope they do away with weapon raritiy entierly

[storm jungle]

FOUDN HIM

Love this guy

[arctic talon]

Oh is that the

pacifica gunstore guy

[winged jacinth]

has cdpr announced what they're up to now

i know they're done with 2077 and the red engine

[storm jungle]

yeah Witcher 4 is next iirc

please no more Geralt

let my homie rest

[snow fern]

Oh I thought the witcher license ended?

I liked the ciri parts a lot in 3

[arctic talon]

wait no he's the DLC guy

[storm jungle]

Witcher 3 is peak gaming

violence

adventure

memes

[arctic talon]

Witcher 4 next, then the next cyberpunk project

[storm jungle]

all there

[winged jacinth]

honestly i dont have any interest in a new witcher game

[arctic talon]

which I hope

[snow fern]

Gaunter o dimm

[arctic talon]

is more sane

in terms of uh

what their scope is

[storm jungle]

As long as I get to shoot homeless people

[arctic talon]

LOL

[storm jungle]

[snow fern]

Hearts of stone and blood and wine are great stories

[storm jungle]

Blood and Wine being "DLC"

[viral halo]

My dream ❤️

[winged jacinth]

i probably just didnt get far enough into witcher 3 to get to the real meat, i need to play it again and totally avoid triple triad

[arctic talon]

Killing Cops if my favorite in 2077

[storm jungle]

Yeah 100%

its an amazing game

[arctic talon]

the real test of how good your build is

lol

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Maxtac 💀

[arctic talon]

everything in the game is easy as shit but Maxtac

lol

[viral halo]

Maxtac are cowards

[snow fern]

Gotta go full cyberpsycho and get the maxtac out

[viral halo]

(They kill me easily)

[winged jacinth]

in 2077 i RP as a cyberpsycho typically

[arctic talon]

I don't count the Maxtac boss fight in phantom liberty

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk-max-tac-ciberpunk-maxtac-gif-26971112

[arctic talon]

though it is a cool boss fight

gotta say

[winged jacinth]

i did a good person playthrough once now i want to KILL

[arctic talon]

meat

[green loom]

My favourite game is Stronghold 2

[arctic talon]

embrace your inner johnny silverhand

[snow fern]

You look like a cut of fuckable meat

[arctic talon]

and randomly shoot people in the corporate plaza

[viral halo]

I’m on my fallout grind lately

[snow fern]

They did adam great, shame the fight was so easy

[green loom]

Same

[viral halo]

America rising for fallout 4 rocks

[arctic talon]

he got buffed into not being a joke

Its still silly you can kill him with normal pistols

but meh

[green loom]

I'm doing an NCR sniper build thingy

[arctic talon]

balance or something

idk

[storm jungle]

My reaction to this information

[snow fern]

Cyberpunk needs to go full rpg and give you that “dink” sound effect when you don’t pierce armor dt

[viral halo]

What’s your go to fallout new Vegas ending

[arctic talon]

Smasher's statblock in Red and in older games is funny

walking TPK

my beloved

[green loom]

Paciencia CRIT build

Wait

What the hell

How did I misread it that bad lol

[winged jacinth]

doing the ending of new vegas

[green loom]

Idk I never get to the ending of NV

[viral halo]

The house always wins

[arctic talon]

its looking like the canon ending is gona be house lol

[winged jacinth]

you do get ron perlman saying cool stuff

[orchid lark]

Good

[snow fern]

I like the part where I give the Boomers a working bomber, realize who I just gave a working bomber too, then not think about it

[green loom]

I typically do NCR because they have berets and a cool flag

[arctic talon]

considering he ||shows up in the TV show in the pre nuking period||

[orchid lark]

French lmao

Loves berets and shit

[winged jacinth]

house as the canon ending makes the most sense for a compelling narrative i think

[arctic talon]

I do the NCR because I like them from Fallout 2 lol

[viral halo]

NCR are as bad as the legion IMO

[green loom]

Hey man, that +1 PER +5 CRIT chance is pretty based

[snow fern]

Dusters, gas masks and brain buckets all day

Give me the riot gear from lonesome road and call it a day

[arctic talon]

I don't think the NCR participates in slavery or crucifixtions so I'm going to have to disagree

[snow fern]

Ncr are not infact as bad as the legion

[orchid lark]

Conscription is bad, but not bad as slavery

[arctic talon]

are the NCR corrupt yeah

[orchid lark]

Legion is still worst

[arctic talon]

are they flawed yeah

[winged jacinth]

the NCR are a kind of dysfunctional state instead of what's basically a roving warband

[arctic talon]

^

They're a democracy thats trying not to fucking implode

[snow fern]

They’re still a corrupt beuracracy but not a super violent roman larp

[arctic talon]

okay genuine question why do you think the NCR is as bad as the legion

[orchid lark]

Looks at legion and ncr

Yeah theyre the same I guess

[rugged girder]

I don't trust anyone who unironically thinks legion is the best

[crystal forum]

legion literally own slaves

[rugged girder]

NCR sucks, house sucks, but Legion? really

[orchid lark]

They dont pay me in caps

Literally the same evil

[arctic talon]

LOL

Anyways I hope the NCR shows up in a more official capacity in S2 of the show

[winged jacinth]

the NCR taking the dam and expanding farther eastward isnt very interesting, the legion takng the dam and then caesar dying of old age and the whole thing falling apart is also not very interesting, having house as a freaky independent state with a robot army is cool and interesting

[storm jungle]

people who think the Legion are good are actual psychopaths

like not even memeing lol

[viral halo]

I’ve never met one unironically

[arctic talon]

Nah I'd crucify

[rugged girder]

good karma yes man ending is probably the best hope for vegas tbh

[storm jungle]

literally nothing beyond "Rome is badass, they are the good guys"

[crystal forum]

there's that youtuber

[winged jacinth]

substantially less subtext to the legion than the imperium lol

[arctic talon]

the architecture shaped one?

[viral halo]

There always is

[snow fern]

I always manage to kill vulpus in nipton

[arctic talon]

The Legion is just straight up evil lol

[orchid lark]

On par with people who think andy and april are good friends to make irl from parks and rec

[rugged girder]

but you have to headcanon it because yes man is just the anarchy ending

[arctic talon]

House and the NCR are flawed

but like

not that bad

[snow fern]

The legion assassins are a good source of caps

[arctic talon]

compared to Mr.WE WILL ENSLAVE YOU