#40k-lore-chat

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crystal forum
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assassinorum caused vraks let that sink in

arctic talon
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Funny how you’ll melt if you don’t take it

arctic talon
green loom
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Culexus are scary

lusty igloo
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Big ass head and a big ass

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Just how I like em

green loom
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Remember what whappened to the head Ethereal stare

storm jungle
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I like the kind of gal that will make me bleed from my fucking eyes

dire apex
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I love the kind of woman that’s a pain to be around

lusty igloo
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I wanna be screamed at then explode

arctic talon
outer wave
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I wanna shit, piss, and explode

crystal forum
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imagine being stepped on man that must suck

arctic talon
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The eversor being in a pod in the teleportarium is so funny

gray umbra
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Word

dire apex
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Timeout box lol

arctic talon
viral halo
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I should get a pfp for this discord specifically

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this picture took me the fuck out laughing yesterday

gray umbra
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Tbh im pretty convinced alex jones got his inspiration from the imperium

lusty igloo
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Alex Jones should voice act for 40K

rocky gale
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He is a massive nerd

viral halo
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he is featured in many warhammer meme comps

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Need more kino fabino warhammer edits in here

gray umbra
viral halo
gray umbra
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It just works

rose thorn
viral halo
rose thorn
viral halo
gray umbra
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I get it

crystal forum
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there's an entire youtube channel dedicated to putting alex jokes in 40k

rose thorn
gray umbra
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This is the mta to a t

rose thorn
crystal forum
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wait what

rose thorn
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Yeah

viral halo
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Inconvenient timing for posting this image

rose thorn
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I was in his server too until the mods leaked what happened and he nuked the whole server and made a YouTube post saying he quit

rose thorn
crystal forum
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why does kinofabino ring a bell

green loom
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Me doing gud with commissions

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Feelsgoodman

crystal forum
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ed take more of my money

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you deserve it for being bosnian i think im not sure actually

green loom
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Hold your horses, the Serbian tax man will kill me for making more than min wage

crystal forum
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oh serbian

rose thorn
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Shit that reminds me I need to finish my design for my chapter symbol (I have not started it at all)

green loom
lusty igloo
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Give me female dreadnoughts

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now

crystal forum
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i thought you were turkish too

green loom
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I was born, raised and live there

lusty igloo
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I like chicken strips over nuggets

green loom
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Real and same

arctic talon
green loom
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I always love preparing chicken tenders

gray umbra
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True

viral halo
green loom
viral halo
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always wanted one of those dreads

crystal forum
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i like that they have dreads with shields

viral halo
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Leviathan dreads are so cool

crystal forum
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the idea of a dreadnought being nimble enough to do melee combat

lusty igloo
gray umbra
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Dont dreadnaughts already got nutcrushers

viral halo
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Brutalis dread is so fucking cool btw

arctic talon
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The forgeworld custodes dreadnoughts are

lusty igloo
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They will crush your cock

arctic talon
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Genuinely beautiful

viral halo
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Man RIP forgeworld

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miss having it be its own site

crystal forum
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killed too soon

viral halo
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forgeworld guangzhou has been kicking its ass

crystal forum
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i miss the titan builder for some reason even though probably 10 people used it

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600$ for an arm

green loom
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I love my tables made for warfare

viral halo
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I want a reaver titan but it's sooooooooo much work

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like 40 hours of prep time 😭

crystal forum
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i'd print one too if i liked painting

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am i allowed to skip painting if i manage to design the 3d models

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like do i get a pass

green loom
green loom
crystal forum
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they cost more than the models

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also shipping

viral halo
lunar harness
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EoB is nice, more chill and not screechy than other painters on youtube

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wholesome energy of just liking what hes doing

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its cute

crystal forum
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no you're cute

gray umbra
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Thanks

lunar harness
green loom
vast heart
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There's also some suspension of disbelief that's supposed to come from us being outside observers

I know firsthand from living in australia: 90% of what the rest of the world percieves as our cultural identity is super inaccurate and massively oversimplified at best. But people elsewhere don't care: we're dangerous wildlife beach zone as far as they're concerned.

That's how I've always felt about Planet of the Hats personally tbh: like of course there's a more nuanced and subdivided culture going on elsewhere, it's a whole planet. but the story isn't concerned with exploring that rn so it falls to the wayside in favour of clean, simple ideas you can actually deliver to people

plush mason
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didnt he get stabbed by a super cyborg assassin?

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also will whats his name ever try to take over?

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Jerico or something

raven stone
storm jungle
storm jungle
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but hes a gigachad and says no

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the book is super funny and a great read

plush mason
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Helmawr had some crazy defenses iirc, a personal refractor field and power armor

storm jungle
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Yup

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Also the wedding alter he is literally like "Bros i know you wanna kill me to take Necromunda but I LEGIT do not care about the throne I just wanna be a gunslinger in the underhive!"

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and the relatives are like

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"Bro we do not care. We are killing you"

plush mason
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kek

storm jungle
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most realistic european family interaction

vast heart
# raven stone Actually that is a good point; for sake of simplicity it could be speculated mos...

I think Star Wars is my favourite version of the trope (though it's probably non-canon now with disney's primal urge to drag everything I loved into nonexistence)

The universe was basically a series of terrariums made by a race of beings that seeded life on each one

and each planet was specifically created to be entirely one climate that housed a reasonably limited number of species, enough to sustain an ecosystem

storm jungle
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OH MY GOD

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IS THAT THE EXPLANATION THEY DID

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fuck me dude

vast heart
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I have no doubt it was made up after the fact after someone mentioned the idea was dumb to George once but I've always like that lil bit of worldbuilding tbh

storm jungle
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No it absolutely was

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lmfao

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That is SO dumb

plush mason
raven stone
plush mason
vast heart
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Haven't watched any of the new movies or extended material since disney acquisition

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I saw what it did to others

I will not become them

plush mason
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humanoid life is so commonplace because of the preservers

storm jungle
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Preservers

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Precursors

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Old Ones

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aughhhh

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I hate precursor-race trope so much

vast heart
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What do you mean

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Whats not cool about star boomers

storm jungle
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Lmfao

vast heart
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They're biologically conservative but socially liberal you gotta understand

plush mason
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the progenitor race trope mainly exists to explain away the limits of movie tech and make it easy to write sci fi

vast heart
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Actually the idea of having a precursor type race that's actually treated as the in-univese equivalent of boomers does sound like a neat twist on it I might try that

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The conservers lmao

meager zinc
vast heart
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Like they were just selfish assholes who seeded life, ate all of the galaxies resources and then fucked off to let anyone else clean up the mess feels a little more real than some sort of benevolent science project of alien ant farms

plush mason
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in star trek the preservers are only called that because one of the races of the federation live on a world near the vault where the last of them are in cryo and worship the them as gods

vast heart
plush mason
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also the star wars stuff is pre disney btw

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its from the AU and was made canon with the legends reworks

meager zinc
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I actually think its kind of depressing that there hasn't been ANY technological progress in the Star Wars Universe in roughly 4000 years.

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the galaxy has gone stagnant.

plush mason
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all the tech is just reverse-engineered Rakatain empire tech so it can only advance when new forms of such tech are found and succeesfully reverse-engineered

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so they havent been able to advance for so long because they havent found new tech they could study

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biggest hurtle for the galaxy is all the major Ratakian tech uses the force and thus only force users can activate it

meager zinc
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forcing people to find a new galaxy at least

vast heart
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Oh yeah wHAT THE FUCK IS A MIDOCHLORIAN

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AND WHY DID Y'ALL DO THAT

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YOU HAD PERFECTLY GOOD SPACE MAGIC

plush mason
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i know

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one of the big mistakes of the prequels

meager zinc
vast heart
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Why try to quantify it and rob it of anything that gave it weight and mysticism

vast heart
meager zinc
plush mason
plush mason
meager zinc
meager zinc
plush mason
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hey the prequels gave us the droid army so they are not all bad

meager zinc
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the collpase of humanity in 40k was caused by the Men of Iron, right?

plush mason
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in part

arctic talon
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aka warp storms everywhere

plush mason
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it ruined the STC database

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the men of iron rebelion that is

arctic talon
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The rebellion of the men of iron led into the age of strife

plush mason
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yes

arctic talon
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which was pretty horrid

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Considering warp travel basicially broke

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and Daemons were popping up along with psykers

plush mason
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the loss of the STCs and the warpstorms all but damned humanity

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no more tech nor travel

meager zinc
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oh wait there were three types of Men: Gold, Stone, then Iron

plush mason
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we know next to nothing about the men of gold still afaik

arctic talon
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yeah

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either way its ironic the birth of slaanesh helped you know

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clear the warp storms

meager zinc
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Naked golden dudes walkin around earth.

plush mason
meager zinc
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then the emperor saw them and was like "whoa gold is cool imma make my armor look like that"

crystal forum
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eldar caused the downfall of humanity DONT LET THEM TELL YOU OTHERWISE

arctic talon
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arctic talon
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depends on if you consider that the downfall of humanity or not

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lol

vast heart
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I've always said that the Custodes should have been straight up high fantasy Dwarves and I will accept them as men of gold as consolation

plush mason
crystal forum
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(there isn't)

meager zinc
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i think its kinda weird it took chaos until, like, what? The year 31K to really start puttin the screws to humanity

vast heart
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Like look at the newest custodes sculpt and tell me that man doesn't have a book of grudges?

crystal forum
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humanity wasn't as psychically awakened back then

arctic talon
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the Eldar

crystal forum
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psykers only started appearing more right before the age of strife

vast heart
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Nothing happens in realspace: nothing happens in the warp

plush mason
meager zinc
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wait so warhammer fantasy and warhammer 40k are NOT the same universe.

crystal forum
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no

arctic talon
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Slaanesh has no real relation to elves in WHF

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ironically

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The Elf to Slaanesh thing was established by 40k

crystal forum
arctic talon
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which AoS did with Slaanesh gorging themselves on elf souls

plush mason
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in fantasy Slaanesh is just the last god to reach the world

arctic talon
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and then the elf gods ganking slaanesh to make them puke them out

meager zinc
# crystal forum no

could there COULD be a medeival world IN the 40k lore that IS the warhammer fantasy world??

plush mason
vast heart
arctic talon
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but yeah that is the only real connection

plush mason
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yeah

arctic talon
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Slaanesh has more connections to humanity

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arguably lol

crystal forum
arctic talon
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Anyways Slaanesh art in AoS of their prison is cool

plush mason
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still funny to me the high elves have a special name for Slaanesh, "she who thirsts"

arctic talon
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only real offical depiction we've ever had for a chaos god

crystal forum
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also depending on how you interpret it, the emperor was jesus

arctic talon
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Well the spear of longius is reaal

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lol

meager zinc
arctic talon
crystal forum
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people keep forgetting that it's an imperial bot with the soul of a man of iron

plush mason
arctic talon
tight mortar
arctic talon
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they're alos slowly breaking free of said prison

plush mason
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lol

arctic talon
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because morathi decided to go back for a second round of souls

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lol

meager zinc
# arctic talon

you think UR-025 would have revitalised the Men of Iron by now

vast heart
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1: fantasy is a little world on Trazyn's shelf that may or may not be the real one or some sort of miniaturised replica

2: fantasy is the pre-history of the 40k setting (pretty sure this one is explicitly not canon)

3: Fantasy is a random feudal world somewhere on one of the million planets the imperium controls

4: fantasy is a post apocalyptic world in the 40k setting that used to have tech

All half assed and in various states of probably-not-canon

tight mortar
crystal forum
arctic talon
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UR-025 says he's alone as a man of iron

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He doesn't know of any others

meager zinc
crystal forum
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tf is he gonna do call up the time traveling ship and go on an adventure

plush mason
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wasnt it destroyed?

meager zinc
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just upload his consiousness to a forge world mainframe and boom, Men of Iron are back baby

crystal forum
plush mason
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you mean the golden age colony ship right?

vast heart
# crystal forum also lovecraftian

Also they probably just don't have corporeal bodies, daemons are described as being akin to drowning fish when in realspace and usually need to create some sort of chaos spawn to give them any staying power, I imagine the gods are pretty similar

crystal forum
vast heart
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Like you need a form to be percieved

tight mortar
meager zinc
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wait is the "machine god" real? or is that just humanity not understanding computers anymore

crystal forum
plush mason
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Khorne is said to be an armored giant with a hound like face and a massive axe or sword

crystal forum
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nothing works with actual code in 40k it's all metaphysical stuff

rose thorn
meager zinc
vast heart
tight mortar
vast heart
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Like imagine biotransferrence: but chaos fuckery instead

arctic talon
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he's lonely lol

tight mortar
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It's briefly explained poorly. That's better than everyone else does.

arctic talon
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He doesn't care about the Men of Iron being dead and gone

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he literally just wants someone to relate to

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or talk to

meager zinc
meager zinc
crystal forum
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maybe when we get dark mech on tabletop we'll get some men of iron.......

arctic talon
plush mason
arctic talon
plush mason
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:c

vast heart
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Idk the only thing that explains the human soul thing is the idea he sacrificed people to use their souls as proto-servitors and didn't anticipate them being succeptible to corruption from there: which is why he overreacts and gets very lobotomy-happy when it comes to servitors

meager zinc
arctic talon
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It doesn't even acknowledge him other then as a threat lol

crystal forum
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no wonder

vast heart
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You could build a SECOND HALF OF THE FUCKING DWARF FACTION out of this

crystal forum
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that would be cool

sacred ginkgo
meager zinc
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oh yeah, what IS going on with them votannic leagues, lore-wise???

crystal forum
vast heart
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Unironically think men of iron would build off Votann a lot, even if it ends up just being UR having a titanfall bromance with one kin as a named unit

meager zinc
crystal forum
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they're interacting with chaos rn i think

arctic talon
iron sun
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They have 40 pages of lore.

crystal forum
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some ironkin are turning to chaos

iron sun
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They're not doing shit

arctic talon
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He's pretty smol

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for what you'd expect

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now granted he absolutely slaughters things

meager zinc
vast heart
crystal forum
arctic talon
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since hes packing some ancient esoteric pattern of assault/auto cannon hybrid

arctic talon
sacred ginkgo
arctic talon
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yeah

crystal forum
vast heart
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They're genderless and all get 3d printed out of a reservoir of all of their genetic materal that's neat I guess

arctic talon
meager zinc
crystal forum
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we will only get lore if tabletop does well

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i NEED dark mech lore

vast heart
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Right I was gonna say which obscure side game did he get added to bc I've never seen the mini before

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Forced perspective goes crazy in that artwork nvm

crystal forum
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@arctic talon you're a admech player right

plush mason
vast heart
arctic talon
plush mason
meager zinc
crystal forum
arctic talon
arctic talon
plush mason
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never seen another like it, surely he stands out a lot from the rest of the legio cybernetica

crisp heath
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Did Kislev have war bears in their actual lore or was that a change when total war used them?

crystal forum
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that's dark mech

meager zinc
crystal forum
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yes

vast heart
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Dark Mech should be the space skaven I will not stop repeating this

meager zinc
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lol

plush mason
vast heart
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You would not have to change a single thing about either faction

meager zinc
vast heart
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Chaos mutated them into ratmen wow look two things everyone really wants

crystal forum
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ork models are being removed it's so over

plush mason
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what?

crystal forum
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vast heart
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Considering that GW are having their own lil horus heresy with how the forgeworld and resin stuff is handled it sucks but I'm not surprised

crystal forum
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orks thooo

vast heart
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Losing Badrukk was not ok tho I can't think of a good reason to fuck freebootas like that

arctic talon
crystal forum
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they did not need models removed like whyyy

sacred ginkgo
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Also reminder that UR-025 talks like a Mr. Handy or something

arctic talon
meager zinc
crystal forum
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that means they'll stop selling the models

arctic talon
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No they won't

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they're forgeworld

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Legends != no longer sold now

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because ????

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Idk ask GW lol

crystal forum
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so they just stop doing rules but still sell them

crisp heath
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Did norsca ever have any books or stories about norscan characters? Or just chaos Vikings who just do evil things and only exist to be evil

plush mason
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here we go

crystal forum
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at least astra militarum stuff can be used in 30k

arctic talon
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Unless you exclusively play tournaments

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which I literally know no one who does this

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including one of the sweatiest players I've ever met lol

crystal forum
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arent legend rules shitty

arctic talon
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No

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not really

vast heart
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Yeah offical GW tournaments can eat a ball

arctic talon
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GW made a concerted effort in 10e to make them like

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GOOD

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Like Legends rules this edition are like

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genuinely fucking good

crystal forum
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oh so nothing of consequence has happened?

arctic talon
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Well unless you're a tournament player

vast heart
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My psychophage-MVB is all gw plastic and perfectly legal

arctic talon
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exclusively

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which is like 0.00001%

vast heart
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If y'all don't like it: make your fucking minis available or sell 3d print files

crystal forum
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i need to stop watching auspex tactics it's ruining my vision of the game

meager zinc
arctic talon
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Auspex is a very tourney focused guy

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He goes to GTs regularly

crystal forum
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guy tryhards videos

arctic talon
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not that its bad tbh

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he's got as valid of a voice as anyone else

crystal forum
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posts like 30 minutes after an announcement

arctic talon
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ngl

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I'm 99% sure

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he has an insider

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and he has these videos prepped in advance

crystal forum
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lol that's devious

arctic talon
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but he releases them after

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so he looks like he's the goddamn flash

green loom
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Plot twist
He is the insider

arctic talon
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LOL

vast heart
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Oh yeah 100% his vids are low effort but there's absolutely no way he's cranking them out in response to news drops

green loom
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I wouldn't be shocked if he was given stuff ahead of time by GW to prepare

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Complete with NDA

vast heart
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GW are probably aware of the fact he's one of the biggest news sources for fans and tries to be reasonable and unbiased so I imagine they're fine chatting with him about stuff earlier than most

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plus he can probably give insight on balance stuff whether or not they actually take it on

arctic talon
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Tbh I feel bad for his custodes video

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that got disliked bombed 💀

crystal forum
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he has a pleasant voice too

green loom
vast heart
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This franchise is retconville being upset about femstodes (that the writers wanted from the start) is genuinely pearl clutching I'ma keep it a buck

vast heart
arctic talon
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lol

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It was literally about the new custodes combat patrol

vast heart
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which is fair but you'd think you'd assassinated some of these neckbeards families with how they reacted

green loom
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Yeah I can see that the.

crystal forum
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the rules do suck

arctic talon
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and bro got shanked 27 times

crystal forum
green loom
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Poor auspex being nuked by the Admech writer

arctic talon
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I still don't think he should have been dislike bombed

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tbh

vast heart
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Nah he made a post about the retcon too

crystal forum
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i actually got this comment from that video

arctic talon
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Like

arctic talon
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wasn't aware

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I don't watch him

crystal forum
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dislikes give more traction

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he's just making more money

arctic talon
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wtf lol

crystal forum
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yeah it's like really good for the value right

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people really want the stompa

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even though orks are the easiest faction to kitbash

arctic talon
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I guess lol

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still kind of crazy that it sold out

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Stompa is horrifying to build

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THe parts are not numbered in the instruction manuel and some stuff is in the wrong order

queen laurel
crystal forum
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resident ork did you hear

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the ork cull

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nothing of consequence has happened

arctic talon
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They did not get AoS'd

vast heart
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I can never get over how thematically GW manages to fuck up

arctic talon
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le purge

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Tbh at least with stormcast its

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easy to proxy the gone ones

vast heart
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Of course the fcking stompa has instructions that were written by an ork

arctic talon
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Unfortunately you lose the very magic focused portion of the army

vast heart
crystal forum
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imagine being into fantasy

vast heart
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Guess they'd make good kits for some ksons sorcerers

arctic talon
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Tbh

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they'll get legends rules in the future according to GW

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so I'm glad things aren't like the past anymore

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COUGH COUGH ELYSIANS

crystal forum
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bro

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i want to buy old astra militarum

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so fucking badly

arctic talon
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have you tried recasts

crystal forum
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what is that

arctic talon
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glorious Forgeworld East

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recasts are unoffical reproductions of uh

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GW products

crystal forum
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where can i find this

arctic talon
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online

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do some searching, its not too hard to find

crystal forum
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3d printing is cool but i want to tear my fingernails out

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SO MUCH WARPING

meager zinc
queen laurel
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as usual

crystal forum
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there is nothing of value to learn

queen laurel
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Literally just like I said people overreacting that their precious lore got changed a bit

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Even though a female custodians isn't that outrageous

winged jacinth
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There's never been a reason a custodian couldn't be made from a female child and we basically only met like a dozen of them until recently

crystal forum
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people equate space marines with custodians and i really dont get it

winged jacinth
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We don't even have a reason to think custodes have a gene seed of any kind

queen laurel
winged jacinth
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They're custom jobs

crystal forum
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they're not even the only superhumans... like there's so many other modified warriors

meager zinc
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women ruining this man's galaxy, im tellin' ya!

plush mason
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one book perfectly discribed how different the space marines and the custodians are, the space marines are wolves made to fight in a team, the custodians are lions made to fight alone

winged jacinth
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Space marines are for mass production, if they have to be a good match for the primarch genetically sure whatever

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Custodians are masterworks

crystal forum
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lore wise custodians barely even exist compared to how much space marine lore there is

plush mason
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ye

meager zinc
plush mason
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the chaff that holds the line

crystal forum
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astra militarum are perfection

meager zinc
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military slurry lol

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custodes almost didn't let Robute Guilliman into the emperor's chambers when he got back, right?

crystal forum
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yeah they're petty bitches

meager zinc
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"bro, lemme talk to my dad"

arctic talon
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They were scared he was gona you know

crystal forum
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they think they know more than a fucking primarch

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it's like your kid being denied by your bodyguard

meager zinc
#

also robute had to fight non-stop to even get to terra in the first place, right?

arctic talon
#

Not non stop

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But there was a lot of stabbing

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His final hurdle was the duel with magnus on the moon

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Which he was losing till he got help

snow fern
#

I mean roboute isn’t the famed fighter primarch

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Even though logistics is what wins wars

plush mason
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sisters of silence showing up and bodying Magnus had to be a cool scene

arctic talon
#

Tbf getting jumped by a bunch of blanks isn’t conductive for daemons lol

meager zinc
#

weren't people appearing out the woodwork to help roboute thru is journey too? like people who were MIA for centuries were back in action

plush mason
#

btw is the moon a hellscape in 40k?

snow fern
#

maybe magnus is the .01% of germs hand sanitizer worries about

crystal forum
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it's just the moon

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it used to have lots of tech

arctic talon
snow fern
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I mean tbf the real moon is a hellscape, like anywhere without an atmosphere

arctic talon
#

It used to be home to the selenar gene cults

meager zinc
arctic talon
#

but uh they died

plush mason
dusk patrol
arctic talon
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Its less shitty then terra

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by a long shot

crystal forum
dusk patrol
#

He’s still a primarch

arctic talon
dusk patrol
#

Daemon Primarchs are just a bit more so

arctic talon
#

*Craftworld eldar

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rather

green loom
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As just regular citizen goons

arctic talon
#

probably?

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it isn't said

plush mason
#

does anyone live on the moon outside the sisters of silence?

meager zinc
arctic talon
#

and defensive forces

crystal forum
meager zinc
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i mean its right next to earth, the moon has stuff on it lol

snow fern
dusk patrol
#

People overrate Khan tbh.

arctic talon
#

Guilliman needs to lock in

crystal forum
#

i barely hear of him

dusk patrol
#

He has like two fights

arctic talon
#

Khan loses one

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wins the other

#

he's 50/50

dusk patrol
#

And his “win” is he died

arctic talon
#

LOL

meager zinc
#

where is Jaghatai Khan now?

crystal forum
#

didnt he help in defence of terra

dusk patrol
#

We don’t know

plush mason
dusk patrol
#

Webway

dusk patrol
#

He’s not the best but

crystal forum
#

girlyman is still a primarch

plush mason
#

ofc

dusk patrol
#

The idea of primarch tier lists is a bit silly

#

Alpharius almost kills Dorn

snow fern
#

I was under the impression Khan was drag racing Deldar in Commorragh

crystal forum
#

but he's a nerdy bureaucrat too

arctic talon
#

We don't know where Khan is

#

is the thing

dusk patrol
#

They’re all very capable of killing eachother

#

Some are just a bit better

arctic talon
#

There's 3 possibilities

#

Black Library, Comorragh, Webway

dusk patrol
#

Sanguinius is the main standout

crystal forum
plush mason
arctic talon
#

💀

dusk patrol
meager zinc
#

how tf do you say Roboute Guilliman's name?
"Rowbootay Gillyman"?

snow fern
#

Some are better some worse, how the hell did Horus end up as Warmaster anyhow?

dusk patrol
#

The daemon sword saved Fulgrim

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So yeah

crystal forum
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he'll come back just you wait

dusk patrol
#

He was regarded as one of the more dangerous combatants

crystal forum
#

yeah he has literal iron fists

snow fern
#

Ferus Manus?

plush mason
#

like the lion and Sanquinius where both said to be more worthy of the post due to being far better fighters

crystal forum
dusk patrol
#

He was also one of the few who had actually dueling experience with his brothers prior

snow fern
#

Gorillaman woulda been Warmaster is big E took his logistics class like Malcador told him too

dusk patrol
#

Since he setup a primarch graded dueling ring

dusk patrol
meager zinc
dusk patrol
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It was about charisma

#

Who could get everyone to work together

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Guilliman was too controversial

arctic talon
#

Horus had Rizz

#

I killed chat yes

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oh god

dusk patrol
#

Sanguinius and Horus were the two most popular

plush mason
snow fern
crystal forum
#

the early books fap constantly about how being in the presence of horus was like being invaded by a wave of charisma

meager zinc
#

the Horus Rizzeresy

crystal forum
#

they never explain it it's just like GET CHARISMA'D

snow fern
#

Horus was a psyker obviously

#

Honestly probably more than just Magnus were psykers

crystal forum
#

basically yeah

#

even his own space marines can't stop looking at him

snow fern
#

Bald people can have charisma?

crystal forum
#

apparently

snow fern
#

The more you know

dusk patrol
arctic talon
#

The big 3 for potential war master were like

#

Lion, Sang and Horus

meager zinc
arctic talon
#

and Lion wasn't really well liked so it was more like Sang and Horus lol

crystal forum
#

everybody liked sang

#

he was just a good boy

snow fern
#

Lion’s an asshole

#

Is his return in a book yet? I don’t keep track on Black Library stuff

crystal forum
#

yeah i think he defeats angron

arctic talon
#

Yeah

#

He doesn’t

crystal forum
#

lame

arctic talon
#

He basically just stalls for time lol

#

Since he know angron will uh

#

Hurt a lot

snow fern
#

Angron is like Skarbrand

crystal forum
#

lion's comeback was so out of the blue

arctic talon
#

He does pretty much remove angron as an issue

#

For the fight

dusk patrol
#

Ferrus, the Lion, Horus and Sanguinius were the main front runners, Ferrus decided it wasn’t for him eventually, the Lion had been decimated prior by the Rangdan and also didn’t really form the bonds with his brothers

#

Sanguinius and Horus were always the main choice

arctic talon
#

I forgot Ferrus was in the running

#

Ngl

crystal forum
#

the other primarchs were pissed that emp chose horus too

arctic talon
#

Damn you early heresy books

snow fern
#

Damn you heresy books*

crystal forum
#

the early heresy books are the only ones worth remembering

arctic talon
#

Not really

#

The pacing is shit

#

For some of them imo

crystal forum
#

yeah too slow

arctic talon
#

They’re still good

crystal forum
#

fulgrim's sucks

arctic talon
#

They went too slow

#

And then all of a sudden

#

Way too fast

#

Like aAAAAAAAAGH

snow fern
#

I hope they never ever touch the War in Heaven or the Dark Age of Technology

crystal forum
#

it would have been a good effect if the slow wasn't 90% filler

snow fern
#

Let the Men of Iron be mysterious

crystal forum
#

i disagree

crystal forum
#

i want something with men of iron

arctic talon
#

The men of iron most likely will get more

crystal forum
#

like right now they're not mysterious they're just nothing

arctic talon
#

They pop up every now and again

#

Ur-025 was good imo

#

He established a good bit about what we know

snow fern
#

I mean, they’ll likely get referenced a bit when somebody bothers to write on the Votann

arctic talon
#

Since he hates chaos

#

And he doesn’t hate humanity(nowadays)

crystal forum
#

if we get dark mech then maybe they'll do some AI stuff

arctic talon
#

And he’s met the omnissiah before

snow fern
#

Actual human AI shows up every now and then

meager zinc
#

i'd like see the necrons rediscover the men of iron and do something with it

crystal forum
#

guy's lying

arctic talon
snow fern
#

So the machine god is real? Nah it’s totally the void dragon

crystal forum
#

necrons arent robots

meager zinc
snow fern
#

Necrons loathe their forms anyhow. Some anyway

crystal forum
#

they'd just see men of iron as tiny human toys

snow fern
#

They want their souls back but without getting the turbo cancer

arctic talon
#

Either way ur is fascinating imo

meager zinc
arctic talon
#

Since he never acts out of malice

#

In any of the times he’s appeared

crystal forum
#

i havent read his story but he just looks tired to me

#

he's seen everything and just wants a friend

snow fern
#

Is there any good sci fi that talks on ai and the whole “do machines have souls” philosophy stuff?
Most of what I’ve crossed is half baked

crystal forum
#

there's soma

arctic talon
crystal forum
#

which is kinda AI

arctic talon
#

He’s not ready to die though

#

He just wants to find someone else like him to spend eternity with

crystal forum
#

dont we all

#

poor guy

#

most normal guy in 40k is a talking robot

plush mason
#

tfw the AI robot has more basic humanity than every high ranking human in the imperium

arctic talon
#

Bro literally lives with 2 ratlings lol

queen laurel
snow fern
#

Normal people were made illegal all the way back in the 2nd millennium don’t you know?

plush mason
#

lol

arctic talon
#

I do like how he considers his options when he realizes the tech priests are trying to kidnap him lol

crystal forum
queen laurel
crystal forum
#

damn

arctic talon
#

His first option is that he lets them try and then kills them all, but decides it’ll draw too much attention

#

His second one is to ignore them

#

And the third one is to lure them to an isolated part of the fortress and kill them lol

snow fern
#

Damn kids on his lawn

arctic talon
#

Don’t try to kidnap grandpa

plush mason
#

unironically UR has forgotten more about golden age tech than the admech has ever known

arctic talon
#

And he also gives them multiple times to back down is the funny part lol

arctic talon
plush mason
#

i love this bot

snow fern
#

I’m kinda terrified of an age where the Baneblade was so small it was considered a scout tank

arctic talon
#

Golden age tech is extraneous to him most likely

arctic talon
#

He just needs to know how to maintain himself

snow fern
#

Was it?

arctic talon
#

And tap into imperial communications

#

Both of which he can do

plush mason
snow fern
#

I was under the impression humanity regressed significantly technologically.
Like stuff like Terminator armor was for terraforming

plush mason
#

the bar is very very low

crystal forum
#

the idea that the leman russ and baneblade are dark age stuff was always dumb to me

arctic talon
#

Though granted he needs to “brute force” encryption sometimes

arctic talon
#

Something slapped together to be cheap and usable

#

Stuff like the shadowsword is the good stuff

crystal forum
#

it's only stated in old lore so my headcannon is the imperium made it up during the great crusades

plush mason
#

both are STCs afaik, ofc STCs where for literally everything the humans needed to make

arctic talon
#

Volcano cannons, volkites

#

Yeah there’s STCs for knives

dire apex
#

its not inconvievable that they would come up with easily mass produced and low tech stuff while caught in a catastraphic war that was destroying their civilization

arctic talon
#

Hell there’s STC’s for chairs lol

#

And paint

plush mason
#

didnt that one cause a civil war?

arctic talon
#

Yes

#

Billions dead

#

It ended with the paint being approved

plush mason
#

kek

arctic talon
#

Menials and tech priests on the same side

#

Both because the old paint was more labor intensive

#

Menials didn’t want to lose their jobs, some tech priests saw it as more valuable to “worship” the process of the painting of equipment

#

Either way a lot of people died lol

crystal forum
#

i love bureaucracy

snow fern
#

One of the few times theocracy didn’t screw over the menials

plush mason
#

the never ending war over quills and paper is a fascinating window into the utter idiocy of the administratum

snow fern
#

What exactly are STCs? Like a floppy disk you stick in the holy disc reader?

crystal forum
#

it makes sense too is the funny thing

#

can you imagine administrating a galaxy wide empire with books and paper

arctic talon
#

There’s also the constructors also called STCs

#

Which are holy grails

snow fern
#

Like auto mechs?

arctic talon
#

No

#

More like a giant computer that can make anything

crystal forum
#

"intact STC" is the idea of a repository of knowledge that has everything the dark age ever made

plush mason
#

STC stands for "standard template construct"

arctic talon
#

As long as you ask it nicely and give it resources

snow fern
#

Oh.

crystal forum
#

but STC is so vague that it's unlikely this even exists

plush mason
#

basically high tech 3d printers

arctic talon
#

Well we know one exists

snow fern
#

The last computer in the 41st Millenium

arctic talon
#

In imperial space

#

The van sarr one

snow fern
#

That’d be one helluva a war

crystal forum
#

votaan ancestor cores are STC's that haven't been windows updated for millenia

arctic talon
#

It’s broken though

#

And is radioactive

#

And doesn’t accept inputs

snow fern
#

Keyboard stc

arctic talon
#

It just spits out whatever it feels like

plush mason
#

is that why they are all dying of radiation?

arctic talon
#

Yep

#

Everything the stc makes is radioactive

crystal forum
#

it makes whatever the plot needs

arctic talon
#

And the stc itself is radioactive

crystal forum
#

literal SCP

arctic talon
#

Like a lot of guns

plush mason
#

iirc some of the guard got some of those guns by mistake

snow fern
arctic talon
#

There’s less radioactive ones van sarr actually sells

crystal forum
arctic talon
#

Lol

crystal forum
#

but never gives what you want

snow fern
#

Oh yah that one too lol

viral halo
#

Hello lore folks how's it going

snow fern
#

Idk, gave me black keycard plenty o times

plush mason
crystal forum
#

in the game

arctic talon
#

Oh there’s also some weird stuff it spits out rarely

snow fern
#

Are there stable plasma guns?

arctic talon
#

But they’re tau

crystal forum
#

i think primaris marines get "stabler" plasma weaponry

arctic talon
#

Ironically

plush mason
#

the dark angels have some sable ones iirc

arctic talon
#

Cawl followed mechanicus design doctrine

#

Of if the gun gets ruined oh well

snow fern
#

I though safe could still meltdown?

arctic talon
#

Only if you keep on firing

#

And don’t let it cool

snow fern
#

Ah

crystal forum
#

and nothing shoots your gun

#

and you dont bump anything too hard

arctic talon
#

Cawl did like make 5 or something

snow fern
#

Why would anyone want to be a plasma gunner?

arctic talon
#

"safe" plasma pistols

#

Honor

#

its "safe"

#

you have a massive gun

crystal forum
#

(they blew up)

arctic talon
#

also plasma usually doesn't explode

#

when it overheats

#

it usually uh*

#

Vents on you

#

all the hot gasses

#

so its more like horrific 5th degree burns

#

then blowing up

plush mason
#

its just funny, the guardsmen that got the spicy van saar guns where basically given a live hand grenade and told "go get em tiger"

snow fern
#

Ah yes the rare 4th degree burns

crystal forum
#

you usually die before getting to that level

snow fern
#

So are meltas actually microwaves or what?

crystal forum
#

depends

#

2 lore types exist

#

chemical and heat laser

snow fern
#

It seems to be depicted differently every time I see it

plush mason
#

subatomic is the one i know of

crystal forum
#

pick which one you want

snow fern
#

Chemical? Like a flamethrower?

crystal forum
#

shoots chemical stuff

plush mason
#

basically just a nuclear blowtorch

crystal forum
#

it's the least explained weaponry

snow fern
#

Hm

crystal forum
#

i dont get it either

#

even how it shoots isn't consistent

plush mason
#

extra spicy blowtorch

plush mason
#

get close and melt the target

queen laurel
#

They basically imitate a reaction in a star and shoot it

snow fern
crystal forum
#

i just imagine it as gun that does MWAAAAA and melts things

plush mason
#

there is art of a space marine using one to melt a chaos dreadnought

queen laurel
crystal forum
#

keep in mind plasma is explosive and melta is melty

#

in 40k

queen laurel
#

These things are better for close range engagements than plasma guns

crystal forum
#

not the same uses

snow fern
#

Nuclear radiation is nuclear radiation

#

Especially if it’s literally fission like the sun

crystal forum
#

the sun is fusion

plush mason
#

i mean, the admech literally use radioactive bullets

crystal forum
#

nuclear fission is what we do on earth

plush mason
#

try to*

snow fern
#

I thought fusion was on earth and the sun was fission

crystal forum
#

we're trying to do fusion but it aint going too well

snow fern
#

Cause wasn’t there a big deal about a fission reactor in China or something?

plush mason
#

fission is splitting the atom right?

crystal forum
#

fission is playing curling with atoms

#

fusion is creating new atoms

snow fern
#

Okay I was backwards

plush mason
#

same

snow fern
#

At the end of the day, it’s all actually steam powered

plush mason
#

ye

snow fern
#

Why is Mars radioactive? Was that the admech’s doing?

crystal forum
#

it was livable before the age of strife

snow fern
#

Like did they do a civil war or something?

crystal forum
#

yes they did civil war

#

during the age of strife

#

and cult mechanicus won

plush mason
#

mechanicum*

snow fern
#

Then the schism happened during the heresy

#

Man imagine your big boss defecting to the enemy faction

#

No wonder they plodded a titan onto terra

plush mason
#

yeah and thats where the mechanicus and dark mechanicum originate

snow fern
#

Still want Dark Mechanicum in Darktide, fits with the whole mobian steel thing, and I wanna fight a war servitor or a daemonengine

crystal forum
#

everybody wants dark mechanicum but GW never delivers

#

soon hopefully on tabletop

snow fern
#

They don’t even got a codex no?
Some people got no appreciation for techno horror

#

Like geez, I thought people love Systemshock?

crystal forum
#

there's a terrifying comic with men of iron in it

snow fern
#

Actual men of iron in 40k?

crystal forum
#

mechanical horror is so much more effective than lovecraftian shit for me

#

just one

#

and we dont see the actual thing

snow fern
#

Mechanical horror just seems more plausible

arctic talon
crystal forum
#

admech units dont look cool imo

#

their barge boat thing is so ugly

snow fern
arctic talon
#

Same with gsc lol

#

They also didn’t have one till 7e

crystal forum
#

GSC looks like what admech should be. super industrial

crystal forum
snow fern
#

I kinda want traitor guard. I like those Khorne aligned ones with Gore Mages

crystal forum
#

we have a traitor guard kill team and it looks very cool

snow fern
#

Blood Pact Warband

#

The blooded look cool

crystal forum
#

kill teams are where you get your niche units i love it

#

like arbites

snow fern
#

I mean, I like it cause they’re a million times cheaper, but I don’t have anywhere nearby to play

#

Middle of boofuck

crystal forum
#

damn

snow fern
#

I guess I can pick up painting. I wanna do a chem dogs themed after New Vegas

#

Dusters and gas masks man

#

You think I could shave off the legs of a Dreadnought and replace with a wheel to make a funny looking Securitron?

crystal forum
#

pick up 3d printing if you value your wallet too

snow fern
#

No kidding. I’m aware why it’s called plastic crack sometimes

crystal forum
#

it's a skill to learn though dont be mistaken

#

i'm doing it for 7 months and still learning

#

what i do recommend though

#

pay companies to print for you

#

you can do a shit load of units for dirt cheap

#

and no hassle

#

you just provide the 3d file

snow fern
#

Like comission somebody to make the model and then use it?

crystal forum
#

you can commission locals or pay actual companies that do 3d printing

#

both good options

plush mason
#

so in this game i am playing rn the lore of the magus of Tzeentch is they can never get off their disks once they summon them because if they do the daemon will eat them, is that true?

#

it is fantasy so maybe thats how it was in that setting if not 40k

snow fern
#

I was under the impression discs were trapped/tamed screamers?

plush mason
#

yeah i think that is what it says, the screamer can break free if they get off it

vast heart
# snow fern Honestly probably more than just Magnus were psykers

Hey this is my domain

All primarchs are undeniably psychic and their 'gifts' and powers are warp based (except Dorn who seems to be a kinda...pseudo blank. Chaos has absolutely no effect on him in any case)

only a few are explicitly psykers

Magnus is the most powerful, then Mortarion, then Sanguinius, it gets a lil foggy after this, Lorgar is probably next, Curze's foresight was very potent but its hard to say how strong he'd be bc he's beyond undisciplined in the warp, Corax is up there for sure, he seems to actively draw on the warp for a lot of his stealth stuff, The khan also, they never elaborate but Magnus seems convinced Khan had untapped potential and that the warp has to do with how fast he is,

I wanna say Angron is next but we'll never actually know what a proper paladin Angron would've been like so power level is hard to determine

Russ is an extremely strange case where depending on who you ask he's either a stronger pysker than mortarion and the strongest loyalist pysker or he's just kinda middle-low tier and has untapped warp potential he never realized,

Perturabo wasn't psychic necessarily, but he had a semi-supernatural intuition that let him know how things break and fall apart and he has that weird quirk where he can always see the Eye of Terror no matter what,

Hard to say where Horus sat, I've heard people say his charm and the fact he was so beloved was partly warp influenced, bro had advantage on charisma throws, not sure how to quantify him as I don't think he does anything notably psychic until well into the heresy

Gman is a shit tier psyker, he probably has some capacity for it, but never fostered, same for Fulgrim.

idk about the lion he has precognitition sorta but its obviously much weaker tha curze or sangy and that new shit he does with the forest walk seems very psychic

There's nothing I could ever see about Vulkan or Ferrus being psychic at all, but being a perpetual is likely warp-based so there's that

#

and AL are cringe and I refuse to consider them

You need good writing for me to believe you're playing 5d chess

vast heart
crystal forum
#

ferrus could be psyk if his screentime was longer than 1 book

vast heart
#

Yeah it's hard to say for ferrus but I'd imagine he'd be closer to dorn than anything

crystal forum
#

i dont even see horus as psyk i just think the writers sucked at making him actually charismatic

#

with all due respect to dan abnett

vast heart
#

Yeah he has Sanguinious syndrome we can just assume he was awesome at everything except having a good dad

crystal forum
#

like a good charismatic character makes you actually want to believe them

plush mason
#

i still headcanon Dorn's blank like power to his soul just occasionally telling the warp to sit down and shut up

vast heart
#

I'm fairly sure he outright tells slaanesh to fuck off in one of the books

crystal forum
#

dorn is so fucking good i love him

plush mason
#

i his legion's color scheme but love their lore

vast heart
#

He's the one uncle who's not addicted to anything and gets up at 6am and that's somehow more unnerving than Curze's turbo-schizophrenia

plush mason
#

he is a brick

crystal forum
#

i love him in TTS too

#

i said it

#

he's the best boring person

plush mason
#

sold dependable and unquestionably deadly when needs be

vast heart
#

Oh yeah one of the purged primarchs was possibly a stronger pysker than Magnus

#

Bc the golden throne was apparently meant for them initially

crystal forum
#

wild

#

and we'll never know until 40k source code is leaked

plush mason
#

oh that made me remember, i heard this theory recently that there might be a clone of the emperor in the dark vaults

snow fern
#

Big E was responsible for the Thousand Sons name no?

#

Kinda a dick move if he expected all the catastrophic mutations of their geneseed.

snow fern
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And the planning on locking magnus in the golden throne

crystal forum
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big E being a dick is a recurring theme

arctic talon
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Their name was because there was just 1000 of them

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Initially

plush mason
arctic talon
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For the first round of em

plush mason
snow fern
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Big E being somehow infinitely powerful and completely emotionally inept is pretty funny, if it weren’t so obnoxious

crystal forum
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any lore regarding the emp is worthless in 40k

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he will never come back

vast heart
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I don't think big E anticipated that all of the primarchs would have gene flaws at all tbh

snow fern
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I think he didn’t anticipate them behaving like people instead of machines

plush mason
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another one is one of the lost primarchs is down there and that one is like a super blank thus the feeling one gets from them

crystal forum
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female primarch lets gooo

vast heart
snow fern
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You can only pull a thunder warriors so many times

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Gotcha.

vast heart
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Most of the mono-god primarchs are all massive tragedies in their own way, they all would've been the most loyal if things had shaken out different

plush mason
snow fern
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Funny how the son hater Angron and son lover Magnus ended up on the same side

crystal forum
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lorgar is the worst

vast heart
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Lorgar won

crystal forum
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emp could have just let him be

vast heart
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Twice

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Against himself

snow fern
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He shoulda put down conrad like the rabid dog he was

crystal forum
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kill conrad and angron

snow fern
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At least angron would be a mercy killing

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Before the nails went super nutty

vast heart
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Angron was meant to soothe Curze imo, the fact he didn't keep his power is a key reason the heresy even happened in the first place

snow fern
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I thought Angron was supposed to be an empath or something?

vast heart
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Yeah have you seen the Green Mile?

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Basically that but all physical and emotional pain

snow fern
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Super compassionate and innately in tune with others emotions

crystal forum
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lore written after he was known as the angry guy

snow fern
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(Not a psyker somehow)

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Before? Who the hell names a kid Angron

vast heart
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I mean he was a psyker but they lobomotized anything that could channel it

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Idk the angron thing annoys me bc its just bad writing tbh