40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

but grimdark lol

the entire surface of the planet minus the area near the Palace is a hive city.

[misty vector]

still a bad and gross hive city?

[queen laurel]

and still under that, the underground networks are basically large enough to even dwarf

a country

[celest dome]

For the one living in the 99% percent lower parts yes

[storm jungle]

absolutely nightmarish

like uh

they once blockaged the traffic of ship scoming through right

for a few hours?

[misty vector]

the so called 'holy terra'

[storm jungle]

millions died from starvation

[storm jungle]

Yep its a shithole

lmao

[celest dome]

Didn't they once destroy a whole spire with all the people inside it to build something else ?

[queen laurel]

And that's just light numbers

Is the horrible thing

[storm jungle]

thats just IRL architecture

I MEAN UH

yeah pretty dark

[orchid lark]

Imperial Fists recruit from this shit hole too

Explains why they suck

[storm jungle]

LOL

Kid named Fist 💀

https://tenor.com/view/panical-itechcaptain-yoshiiisland-yoshiisland-weather-report-gif-26190663

[orchid lark]

Apex Bloodhound dialogue

[tulip brook]

Considering maybe billions of people are just there waiting for their pilgrimage and not doing much else and nearly all the bigwigs in imperium set up shop there... Terra isn't a productive planet either

Exceptional shithole

[storm jungle]

^

the Vaults of Terra say this

it provides nothing

[orchid lark]

Theres little production there

[storm jungle]

it simply consumes

[scenic bolt]

I forget the book but one did put the earth population at quadrillions

[queen laurel]

yeah if you're a smart war master you could tactically cut it's food supply by attacking specific worlds

[orchid lark]

Anything worth producing is done in the imperial palace or some bullshit cause custodes need their toys

[storm jungle]

Its because its spires upon spires upon spires or subterranean galore

[storm jungle]

^

The imports to Terra are constant

the planet literally makes almost nothing

[scenic bolt]

and quadrillions is so stupid because just the added mass of the people (not the buildings/food/water needed for them) would increase earth's gravity by a huge percent

[storm jungle]

Yep

it doesnt make sense

lmao

[orchid lark]

I know Baal and Ultramar are also like busy with pilgrims

But like those are the only two primarch planets that I know had people visiting them

No one gives a fuck about the other primarch homes lmao

The fuck is Kiavahr?

Im spending my life savings making it to Baal and hopefully my grandchildren by then could see the village Sanguinius lived at

[storm jungle]

its not explained

its just suppose to be handwaved

[orchid lark]

I hope nothing Devastating happens to Baal

[storm jungle]

LMAO

SHUT UP

💀

[queen laurel]

I am a firm believer that the tyranids should have eaten it

god damn Ka'fucka had to interfere

[storm jungle]

honestly best part with the Devastation is post-invasion the populace would barely notice the difference minus all the nid corpses

[orchid lark]

Reaches Ultramar and it got really busy,
“SOMEBODY IMPORTANT BETTER BE COMING BACK TO RUIN MY PILGRIMAGE “

[queen laurel]

this ******* who humbled sanguinius in their first round just had to save his little tiny world

[orchid lark]

Arrives to be a pilgrim, forced to stay and feed the war machine because Baal is now a hub fortress world for Nihilus, fuck my chungus life

[storm jungle]

KEK

its like the vatican all over again

including the extortion

[orchid lark]

“So if i help make most of these bolter rounds I can see where Sangunius home was?”

dies after two months cause of noxious fumes

[storm jungle]

Least unhappy detroit citizen

[orchid lark]

Somebody dropped an angelus boltround and it went off.
Ten people near it turned into minced meat.
Sorry but your father doesnt qualify for insurance

[storm jungle]

worst part is this really could happen

lmao

[orchid lark]

Promise?

[queen laurel]

hold on i will post this quote on twitter

Got the farm those pearls I'm running out of money

[storm jungle]

:)

[orchid lark]

At least credit me

[queen laurel]

No I don't think I will

Just like how the imperium doesn't credit anyone

[orchid lark]

This truly is the imperium

The primarch Roboute Guilliman had returned baal secundus to its former beauty incredible.
No youre not allowed to even see it.

[storm jungle]

Baal secundeez nu-

[orchid lark]

Its a what kind of world

[queen laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/yakuza-0-legend-remix-kiryu-heat-action-escape-gif-11356993019068282348

[orchid lark]

Para deez worlds

[storm jungle]

[orchid lark]

Sanguinius dies, Baal becomes a pilgrim world

Ferrus dies

Nothing happens

You love to see it

Iron Hands lovers deserve nothing

[storm jungle]

to be fair

even if they wanted to pilgrimage there i doubt IH would allow it

how many people even know Ferrus exists in-universe

[queen laurel]

I bet like 5 bucks only a few

[orchid lark]

It would be pretty fucking funny

If he was the only loyalists primarchs

That doesnt get mentioned in holy lessons

And lo 8 of the holy sons of the Emperor fought back against the evil 9 demons

[orchid lark]

“You sure a primarch lived here? Its a shit hole. Its just a fucked up desert world thats geologically unstable. Seems stupid.”

[dusk patrol]

There’s a holiday named after him called Gorgonsday

And nobody does pilgrimages to Baal or Medusa or most chapter worlds

Based off Devastation of Baal even their successors rarely actually visit Baal

[orchid lark]

Gorg on deez

[unborn phoenix]

Idk where else to put this image so I'll put it here I guess

[orchid lark]

Just hanging at boston airport huh

Ignore the fact i recognized it that fast

[unborn phoenix]

Meh

Good lighting and I can put my crafting spots here nicely

I didn't expect the armor to be that clean

[dusk patrol]

The IH hate any sort of monuments or whatever being built in honor of them anyways, and actively discourage it. Kardan Stronos has been their defacto leader for close to 700 years and the only thing he has is a small plaque on Medusa.

They don’t even have a huge setup for Ferrus’s skull.

[unborn phoenix]

It says it's mark 4 armor

[dusk patrol]

Doesn’t look like it

Seems like Aquila

[queen laurel]

i already screenshotted it

[dusk patrol]

This is Mk IV

[unborn phoenix]

Pre or post heresy

[orchid lark]

Or

[dusk patrol]

Either

[unborn phoenix]

Ok

[orchid lark]

Congrats we named two sons of horus characters

The Either and The Or

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wiggle-dance-cat-shake-dance-cat-wiggle-shake-gif-7275729331624892207

[dusk patrol]

Mk7 Aquila is the first one post heresy made

Which is the basic armor you see most firstborn have before primaris

[unborn phoenix]

Most of the blue boys have the primarus armor from the art of seen

I don't have too many chapters with this mod but some good ones

It comes with blood ravens, blood angels, dark angels, ultramarines, imperial fists, salamanders and iguanas

Oh and space wolves

It even comes with the company markings and squad

[storm jungle]

thats mostly for marketing

realistically speaking a Chapter cosmetic setup would be more diverse

[orchid lark]

Space Marines picks up so much shit over the years

No armour is alike

[unborn phoenix]

For the heavy tactic people the dark angles one has a checkerboard left knee pad and on the right pauldron has a arrow pointing left and right and a 40k version of a 3

[orchid lark]

Got their doodads

[storm jungle]

Imperial Armor marine lineups display it really well

even where some marines look identical they got small changes like how they wear the decorations on their armor or chest and whatnot

[orchid lark]

Its always important to dress up your dollies

[storm jungle]

[unborn phoenix]

Mod also came with bolter

I also have a sister of battle armor mod it's really good too

[rocky gale]

According to data these are apparently the most bought Drukhari boxes.

[unborn phoenix]

People like drukhari?

[rocky gale]

All are to be expected, although the Kabalite Killteam box is a surprise

[shadow plover]

Drukhari are surprisingly popular

[rocky gale]

Like the Patrol, Venom, Scourges and Drazhar are all so high because they're all pretty much essential to tournament lists

[arctic talon]

Not surprising at all

Drukhari are in a horrid spot

[rocky gale]

But the Kabalite Killteam gives no advantage to 40k tournament players so it's surprisingly high

[arctic talon]

Tbh it’s killteam players

That team is really fun

• strong

[green loom]

Figure kill team is a popular choice for people who aren't into the faction as a whole?

[orchid lark]

Dark Eldar are nice models to collect

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[orchid lark]

I think theyre pretty much a staple for collections

[rocky gale]

Damn the Combat Patrol really is good, I'm tempted to get atleast one more before it gets replaced

[unborn phoenix]

The space wolves color looking like space puppies wtf is this color scheme

[storm jungle]

People actually like a lot of other factions.

nuts I know

[storm jungle]

Their chapter scheme

• markings

[rocky gale]

It's even got the fur pride symbol on it's knee, good for them.

[storm jungle]

this is an emote on the SW discord too

[green loom]

Good for them good for them

[storm jungle]

they are furries and proud

can't blame em, can't blame em

[unborn phoenix]

I forgot they also got black Templar color scheme for this too

The blue Bois color scheme is great

Iron hands and raven guard have boring color schemes I realize why they didn't put them in

[storm jungle]

Its probably because they wanted to do popular Chapters first

black/white is a pretty good scheme

[queen laurel]

hold on let me get the anti-astartes shotgun, I can hear the deniers charging your position rapidly

[storm jungle]

BRUH

[storm jungle]

💀

also women exist in fallout???

[orchid lark]

Goofy fucking pose

[queen laurel]

Dilara don't

[storm jungle]

I thought men produced asexually in the vaults...

[queen laurel]

you're hurting the legion fans please keep going

[orchid lark]

If I had money and time, i wouldve modded fallout 4 to only have women

[arctic talon]

Vault 68 and 69 💀

[green loom]

Lucy is pretty based

[arctic talon]

(Thank you vault tek)

[green loom]

Vault KeK

[orchid lark]

You know what, she can make my cock explode

[storm jungle]

People that think those vaults are "great" literally got no idea how society works 💀

[green loom]

Lmfao

[orchid lark]

But she has to do Jinx’s voice from Arcane

[queen laurel]

And any sense of shame is immediately removed I suppose

[storm jungle]

||Id rather kill myself than be trapped with 99 Men in a vault ngl||

[green loom]

They'd more likely kill you

[storm jungle]

Nah

it would be worse

both for the 1 Man 99 Women and opposite

you'd be breeding stock 💀

[queen laurel]

They would basically run a train and not the choo choo kind

[storm jungle]

^

[scenic bolt]

there's a reason arctic research facilities and military submarines screen psyche heavily

[green loom]

It'd be a lot worse for a minute but then they'd start feuding and killing eachother probably

[orchid lark]

I want to be in a vault with 99 assaultrons

[storm jungle]

YEP

[storm jungle]

BRUH

[arctic talon]

I think the person of opposite gender in both situations would want the good old gun to the head

[queen laurel]

Did you just go to a psycho conditioning school to not have shame

[scenic bolt]

vault 969: 50 volcels 50 incels

[storm jungle]

Accurate

[orchid lark]

Are you so burdened by yours

[storm jungle]

your only use is the thing between your legs

[unborn phoenix]

Popular chapters? The iron snakes are popular? Cause theirs are included in this mod too

[arctic talon]

I wish I had the gif of jinx shooting the bird

[arctic talon]

Pretty popular

They got a book

[storm jungle]

Yes

[orchid lark]

I am a Wallfacer

I say the craziest shit

[storm jungle]

Imperial Fists Successor ah name

[orchid lark]

So no one knows what i am

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/jinx-jinx-arcane-jinx-bird-arcane-league-of-legends-gif-25781537

[rocky gale]

Iron Snakes are pretty big, they're a Dan Abnett chapter

[queen laurel]

no I talk to you why would I have shame

[unborn phoenix]

Id figure the white scars would get a thing but guess not

[arctic talon]

They didn’t get popular until recently

[rocky gale]

Brothers of the Snake was also the first 40k book I read

[unborn phoenix]

Id be cool if they did traitors too

[arctic talon]

When r/grimdank discovered Horus heresy/j

[storm jungle]

the Iron Snakes book is pretty intense...

[unborn phoenix]

Emperor's children colors

[queen laurel]

I am going to be honest I might have turned ada into a Sentry bot

[storm jungle]

gay

[unborn phoenix]

The purple and gold is nice

Thousand sons aesthetic are cool too

[orchid lark]

I wish Jinx would use her passive on me

[storm jungle]

bruh

[orchid lark]

See her speed up after she kills me

[rocky gale]

11 year old me should not have been reading that book.

[storm jungle]

you aint no Vi

[storm jungle]

its pretty funny

[queen laurel]

he probably wants to Vi to R him in the nuts let's be honest

[orchid lark]

https://tenor.com/view/glhf-memories-jinx-league-of-legends-video-games-lo-l-gif-18569698

[storm jungle]

💀

[arctic talon]

It’s called assault and battery 💀

[orchid lark]

Why would Jinx kill Vi

Nah Vi is taken, im not a home wrecker

I have standards

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-vi-powder-jinx-arcane-gif-23705156

CLAPPED

[orchid lark]

Listen, just because youre turkish and thats how you solve domestic issues, doesnt mean they will

[storm jungle]

BRUH

💀

[orchid lark]

[storm jungle]

well true though but still

[orchid lark]

[shadow plover]

Damn

[unborn phoenix]

I also have a power sword too so I'm fighting as the emperor intended

[queen laurel]

Homie is no longer swinging but doing combos

[storm jungle]

the Emperor would intend you to fight with your co-

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fly-fly-cat-gif-23967129

[burnt maple]

And he would damn win.

[orchid lark]

Dilara confirmed for killing a sibling

[storm jungle]

I got 3 older male siblings

its fine

[orchid lark]

How many did you have before?

[storm jungle]

uhhhh

[orchid lark]

[burnt maple]

Expendable resources.

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

Wardens just be staring at Lore chat like

[shadow plover]

killing males is fine, based

[orchid lark]

Dilara literally is a warden

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/pufferfish-fish-stare-finana-ryugu-gif-25958989

[rocky gale]

It's hell

[storm jungle]

Warden from Rainbow Six

[orchid lark]

The clit tickler

[queen laurel]

i consider her a watcher in the dark

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/guilty-gear-guilty-gear-xrd-guilty-gear-xrd-rev2-ggxrd-sol-gif-21553883

[orchid lark]

What

You see his moustache

You know its true

[arctic talon]

I’m going to sleep

[queen laurel]

make sure you get plenty

because this conversation be something

[orchid lark]

Would you rather I talk like this, or you have some dumbass make dumber claims here

[rocky gale]

I had to share a bedroom with my 3 elder brothers as a kid, I saw unspeakable things

[orchid lark]

[queen laurel]

i just came back from twitter what you're saying right now seems like the best speech I have ever heard compared to that

[green loom]

My sister is me but normal, and thus infinitely worse

[orchid lark]

I had three older sisters, i watched kill bill and my eldest made me listen to prodigy

[celest dome]

njot a bad deal

[orchid lark]

Normies reeee

[green loom]

"Normal" here means mildly racist, vain and also kinda stupid

[rocky gale]

My 3 older sisters were not cool like that

[orchid lark]

The good kind

JOKES

THATS A JOKE

[pine wedge]

--mmissar's approval

[rocky gale]

Hank once again ensuring Imperial Compliance

[orchid lark]

Its nice when Hank does appear, and is actually a good Mod

Unlike Dilara

[rocky gale]

God Emperor Bless

[orchid lark]

Terra watches over him

[pine wedge]

actually, dilara making imperium apologists feel stupid is an essential part of keeping this channel clean

[queen laurel]

yo hank is Ogrynomicon still getting updated?

[orchid lark]

Dilara is Rorschach

[green loom]

Killing them is never not fu n

The recent popular rhetoric is "Gaslighting"

[vast heart]

And frankly much kinder than when I do it

[green loom]

Anyway here's a dumb redditor

[queen laurel]

You don't mix your real life morals with them So what you're saying is it's OK to justify bad people because they're not real and also killing babies and making them into killing machines is fine because it's a fictional thing

My God people are stupid as fuck

[orchid lark]

Why would I fucking escape to a shittier future

[unborn phoenix]

Imagine Reddit

[orchid lark]

Its like daydreaming about being superhero

I hate working

You think i want to fucking be a superhero

[green loom]

"Trust me bro, making the average factory worker's life unbearable will totally dissuade crime and devil worship that will literally free them and kill the people pissing on him"

[raven stone]

Is it fake news or real that someone on a South Pole research base murdered a fellow researcher for endlessly spoiling the books they were reading…?

[pine wedge]

just did

[orchid lark]

America in 1910

[queen laurel]

LET'S GO

[pine wedge]

fancy new golden graphic and everything

[scenic bolt]

it was an assault not a murder

[orchid lark]

Yeah they made a documentary called the thing

[scenic bolt]

funnily enough mcmurdo you start and end your rotation watching the thing

[raven stone]

I mean to be (un)fair, the general idea was “this is because they will be too exhausted to even think about an uprising!” (Which, sometimes, turns out to be not quite the case…)

[orchid lark]

Thats a long ass movie

[green loom]

You can't think about uprising but then you won't think when something comes and offers it to stop

[scenic bolt]

they get the south pole cut

[raven stone]

Indeed, goes both ways.

[pine wedge]

I also made this video to walk through and give my thoughts on all the Ogryn changes in patch 18 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TowuWgNTJ_c

(yes my clickbait game is on point, thank you for noticing)

[green loom]

I think the funniest thing about that to me is that they think it stops the devil worship/stealers

Like stealers literally brainwash you

[queen laurel]

hell yeah

[scenic bolt]

loner's got a line to the spirit of that nothing pushes people more to chaos than the imperium itself, to many chaos is an upgrade

[green loom]

That's not a guarantee but what would they know?

They catch the eye of some daemon, it gives them a brief vision in their mandatory 30 minute sweat break for the day, and they're immediately radicalized

[raven stone]

Stealers definitely lean hard towards brute force brainwashing, with social issues as a (admittedly VERY weak) dressing.

Chaos, on the other hand…yea, the sucky nature of 40k is such that even a benign worker’s Union can somehow be turned into a Warp worshipping cult.

[vast heart]

There's an absolutely banger quote from the ahriman books that kinda mirrors that, daemons are very enticing to humans because they're constructed out of their baser desires and subconsious thoughts

brb finding

[raven stone]

TBH the “nobles are uncaring and corrupt” part of 40k lore I personally find borderline Grimderp.

Like, the threat of Chaos actually comes across better if the managers and nobles are not horrible people.

[green loom]

Yeah like
Not doing it wouldn't help an insane amount but 90% of your population not being ready to basically go revolution at a moments notice would probably help a ton

[raven stone]

The ability to corrupt genuinely benign things would sell the threat of Chaos better as well.

[scenic bolt]

it's likely still a holdover from the original framing of 40k before they introduced chaos into when it was corrupt imperium vs corrupt power grabbing rebels lead by horus

[raven stone]

Like, rather than “Chaos approached a bunch of repressed slaves and offers them freedom.”
Is far less scarier than…
“Some workers, who got along well with their managers, asked for a short extension of their lunch break, but for some weird reason, over time they became insane and started to worship the Warp.”

The latter adds to the “What the fuckness” factor of Chaos, if you will.

[green loom]

In Rogue Trader the first prison planet has the Warden being nice to the prisoners and granting them more food

It eventually devolves into a full on cult

[raven stone]

Ah a fellow Rogue Trader enjoyer

And 40k society is so skullfucked they actually thought that kindness was abnormal…

[pine wedge]

it would also diminish the Imperium's culpability in the presence of Chaos cults within human society, which is an important part of the setting's identity

[queen laurel]

that is just what it is unfortunately

[pine wedge]

Inquisitors hunting down Chaos cults directly fueled by the relentless misery the Imperium's citizens are subjected to by its rulers is exactly the sort of illogical efforts that make 40k what it is: satire

[queen laurel]

They're so insane and maniacally devoted to a master that doesn't even care about them and is a rotting corpse that they just move forward

[raven stone]

Both make fair points.
I admit some of my views are biased from “how to make 40k function without it being too Grimderp (but potentially means we have to leave the satire behind).”

[orchid lark]

If emperor doesnt care then who gave my ex the clap?

Checkmate

[pine wedge]

the complete and total dysfunctionality of the Imperium is essential, I'm afraid.

too bloated, stagnant and inflexible to change course now: if the Inquisitors stop their work then the Imperium falls to Chaos, but there is no impulse to improve living conditions that can survive being scrutinized and destroyed as collateral damage in the neverending hunt for heresy

[raven stone]

Ironically might be why I like Recongrugator Inqusitors/Rogue Traders.
They are individuals who actually have in-universe capabilities to notice the dysfunction (even if they cannot change the overall picture at the end of the day)

[queen laurel]

oh you fuckin Crustacean

[pine wedge]

because free thought and liberalism are treated with the same brush as homicidal sedition. the Imperium believes its intolerance is its strength, incapable of understanding that it is also the source of its downfall, and any attempts to make it understand are met with further suppression and persecution

[storm jungle]

Its the same as how many cubicle workers think about beating the shit out of their boss lol

[green loom]

It'd be like higher up corporates coming to you asking about something your manager did in exchange for his office

[storm jungle]

Its not essential, thats the point.

Inquisitors cause as much trouble for the Imperium as fixing them, its a limbo situation, theres no "good" or "bad". Even Inquisitors that try their best will always fall to darker and darker impulses as that is what their job requires of them until it reaches horrific levels and they basically become just gestapo on crack

[raven stone]

I think a very short hand way of describing the Imperium is that it is still living with Horus Heresy PTSD 10,000 years later on.
In all honesty, given how the Horus Heresy has transpired, if you take the 40k mindset and apply it to that civil war, it does make sense back then.

[storm jungle]

To be fair the Imperium lives because of money

no real society like this would even function

"realistically" speaking it would fall apart the moment all the Primarchs disappeared.

the Rift showcases this well where THE MOMENT the Dark Imperium was created everything went to shit since most imperial worlds are always on the edge of a boiling point

all it takes is a little push

[orchid lark]

It takes a super human brain to fix the imperium kinda

[scenic bolt]

like the custodes would not just let the imperium hang they would reenact all the worst excesses of the praetorian guard in the roman empire under some logic of 'the best way for us to protect the emperor is for us to seize total power ourselves, after all we're his chosen'

[storm jungle]

^

its just "plot"

[orchid lark]

That said i dont think guilliman could fix argentina

[pine wedge]

it's essential for the setting, in my opinion

making the Imperium more functional and reasonable immediately makes 40k less interesting

[storm jungle]

GW themselves have said the opposite.

so like yes

[vast heart]

I mean logistically the imperium would absolutely not function

[storm jungle]

"It doesnt work"

"thats whats scary"

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah lol

30k Imperium i can let slide

since the Emperor literally exists

without figureheads these organisations would instantly kill each other

[vast heart]

The fact that entire planets are responsible for food production for entire other planets with absolutely no ability to produce food is....certainly an idea

[storm jungle]

ME

[pine wedge]

he still exists in 40k and the unified belief of the Imperium in his guidance and his goals (even if completely warped and misunderstood 10k years down the line) is what keeps the whole thing

[vast heart]

In a universe where they have explicitly said one lazy pen pusher can send a wrong shipment and kill an entire planet

[pine wedge]

somewhat together

*constant uprisings and rebellions aside

[storm jungle]

Its kept going through plot

religion can only do so much lol

as history has shown us

[green loom]

Should I play Helldivers or Fallout

[storm jungle]

💀

[storm jungle]

Depends on what kind of brainrot you want

[orchid lark]

They have trouble believing this when we literally had a single boat hold up entire world economy for a minute

[storm jungle]

YEP

the Imperium exists because we gotta sell space marines

simple as

[orchid lark]

Like think of it exponetially

[pine wedge]

40k asks the question "what if your God was real and he blasts a continuously tangible beacon of light into the Warp to keep your society going?" so

transposing it to real religious history doesn't really work

[orchid lark]

I kiss the wrong high lords daughter

[storm jungle]

I mean

the imperial creed is literalyl Catholicism

so lol

[orchid lark]

And my balls has caused the worst economic collapse ever

[storm jungle]

also the Imperium as per GW is a "cautionary tale"

[pine wedge]

with God sitting in the Vatican and having real measurable divine power

[green loom]

The average person probably never travels through the warp/learns of that part tbf

[storm jungle]

Real religion did this too though

"My power comes from god, do everything i say"

[pine wedge]

yeah but not with really real powers.

[storm jungle]

it went swimmingly for everyone involved

[pine wedge]

it's just not fully comparable.

[storm jungle]

Its pretty much suppose to be comparable

[green loom]

To most people the Emperor, hell even Space Marines are just a myth

[storm jungle]

the super powers of Big E are rarely showcased

unless you are a Sister

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah

[pine wedge]

the Astronomican is constant and neverending

[storm jungle]

The Astronomicon functioned in 30k too

without the throne sitting part

so

[pine wedge]

it functions now, with the throne sitting part

[green loom]

It ends across the Cicatrix and at the Halo stars

[storm jungle]

Yes but the point is it didnt before too

so uh, no magic powers really needed

[storm jungle]

Also it has blind spots too

[pine wedge]

it's like spice in Dune. "he who controls spice controls the universe". but in this case it's the Astronomicon. and the Imperium controls that, so they rule forever and ever.

[storm jungle]

I mean

million worlds < entire galaxy

lol

so not really

[vast heart]

Have they confirmed that the astronomicon is an Old Ones thing or nah?

[storm jungle]

Kinda

its confirmed to have been a mix of alien and ancient tech

to showcase again that Big E is a hypocrite

[vast heart]

Bc I've heard that it's partly Necron tech partly aeldar tech and apparently neither faction fully knows how to work it

[storm jungle]

yep

its true

its from like 1 sentence in the End and the Death

lol

[pine wedge]

close enough, you know what I mean. the Imperium maintains itself because the God-Emperor is real and his power is real and the amount of people that believe that unifying under his rule is better continue to outnumber the people that think sedition is a good idea and that's why the monodominant majority continues to squash rebellions

[vast heart]

5 minute conversation with Magnus about daemons would've solved the entire heresy

[scenic bolt]

emperor undefeated in own goals

[orchid lark]

The astronomican is from the future

[vast heart]

Or finding Angron first even

[orchid lark]

The real plot twist

Having Lorgar for a sit down would also fix it

[storm jungle]

His powers rarely intervenes in everything and this was even less of a case pre-Rift, people believe in his rule because they are brainwashed and indoctrinated from childhood and beaten to submission, sedition seems viable when you and your entire family rae just slave labor to work i na factory

[orchid lark]

Literally at any point the emperor just needs to talk to people

It can be fixed

[vast heart]

Imo Angron getting the nails was the biggest contributor to the heresy

[orchid lark]

Much like an actual relationship with a shitty father

He aint saying shit

[shadow plover]

he's just a teenage girl... leave him alone

[storm jungle]

Angron would have rebelled without the nails too

he was a freedom fighter at heart

and also not a hypocrite like Corax lol

[vast heart]

He was meant to be the horus and he could have fixed 90% of what was wrong with the traitor primarchs with his power

[pine wedge]

I know, and this indoctrination and brainwashing is maintained by the powers that be, and the powers that be have never been toppled because the Emperor is undying

[scenic bolt]

emperor can construct a webway from toothpicks and spit but cant get rid of some backwater nerve nails

[orchid lark]

There needs to be a lot of speech checks to keep angron in line

[pine wedge]

if he were to die, and the Astronomicon disappeared, the Imperium would be over immediately

[orchid lark]

Guess what no time for that

[pine wedge]

but the "strongman leader" is immortal

[storm jungle]

Powers that be are just religious nutjobs and it isnt toppled because the Imperium makes space marines thus money

simple as

the Imperium's "immortality" has never been a thing

thousands of authors have always said the opposite

"its a rotting carcass"

[orchid lark]

Also the emperor never intended to lead it this long

[pine wedge]

but it persists!

[storm jungle]

^

[storm jungle]

Because plot

its not that complex

[orchid lark]

He wouldve just dissapeared at some point finger blasting erda or some shit

[storm jungle]

He literally said the Imperium is dead the moment the webway project toppled too

"Now we rage against the dying of the light"

[green loom]

He never intended to Sneed it this long

[vast heart]

I mean more like, if angron was around (and non-nail'd)

they could've dealt with Lorgars BPD

Curzes turbo-schizophrenia

Fulgrims emasculation

Pertys hurt ass feewings

Mortarions need to drink monster and hate his stepdad

[orchid lark]

Literally made plans to ensure the imperium wouldnt have been ruled by perpetuals either

[storm jungle]

you cant fix stupid kids

Morty especially

[orchid lark]

Malcador is his best friend, yeah for a time

[vast heart]

Like he feels like a deeply essential part to a functional group of primarchs

[queen laurel]

You can only kill them to end their suffering yeah

[storm jungle]

BRUH

[vast heart]

And without him the whole thing floats away

[storm jungle]

Angron was inside us all along

oh wait-

[orchid lark]

Thank you bad dragon

[queen laurel]

what sometimes you can't save something you know

[orchid lark]

Only comes in XXL size

[vast heart]

There are two angrons inside you

you need more holes

[storm jungle]

BRUH 2x

[orchid lark]

I either cry like a bitch or get angry

Sounds bout right

[queen laurel]

you set yourself up for that don't even

[storm jungle]

[rocky gale]

[pine wedge]

no, you are dismissing the socio-religious mania that the Emperor produces that binds the Imperium together, along with the mutual economic interests of all its major organisations and ministries and ruling nobility. the majority of the oppressed masses are kept sedated through religious fervour, allowing the rich elite to continuously exploit them for resources and wage a forever war over territory, resources, expansion and defense. it's not just "it exists because it must exist for the plot", it is as deep as I say it is.

which is not that deep but not completely mindless either. it's not that poorly thought out.

[vast heart]

To be entirely fair, they've had about 40 odd years to iron out anything that doesn't make sense

[storm jungle]

Y-Yes? I know? 💀

Also it literally exist sbecause of plot

[vast heart]

As someone who writes, quite a lot of "well written" things are just happy accidents you notice later and build on or clarify

[pine wedge]

and the power of religion in 40k exceeds the power of religion in human history because in 40k, God is real and he is sitting on a throne in the Imperium and his powers make space travel possible

[storm jungle]

same as how minis get introduced with no lore explanation

the lore does not matter in the grand picture

this has always been the case

I get that people dont like the "because plot" answer but unfortunately that is the reality of things lol

[pine wedge]

then why are you arguing against it dummy

[orchid lark]

If lore mattered i would have back flipping terminators

[storm jungle]

Im not, i feel like you kinda missed the point

ogryn player moment

[orchid lark]

[pine wedge]

you missed MY point, ogryn player

[queen laurel]

Dilara you have an ogryn

[storm jungle]

Anyway like

40k is legit not that deep

its wide as an ocean but as deep as a pond

[vast heart]

I mean it's kinda both, say what you want about the actual balance 40k nails its thematic top-down/down-up design is fuckin immaculate

[storm jungle]

its made to exist to sell toys and have fun

theres not really any philosophical debate to be made

I kinda realised this after like, you know

being a fan for 12 years

💀

[pine wedge]

it's Dune, and Dune is pretty deep

40k doesn't have to put in the effort

[orchid lark]

But I can have philosophical debates about it

[pine wedge]

Dune already did it

[storm jungle]

Yeah because Dune is not a miniatures game

[queen laurel]

Genuinely sad that people get so attached to it that they would want to live in that shit hole

[storm jungle]

If you wanna live in the Imperium go to China

bing chilling

[orchid lark]

Dune is a well made porn game from a french dude

[pine wedge]

so everything else is just slapped on to sell miniatures but the immutable core of the setting is based on really good scifi and actually is that deep

[orchid lark]

I dont think it should be deep

Because people dumb as hell

And misconstrue the teachings

[storm jungle]

Its not tbh

[orchid lark]

And espouse the worst of their own projections

[storm jungle]

also yeah its really not

everyone is evil and does things for evil or grey reasons

[pine wedge]

it is, though. I have decreed it so.

[vast heart]

don't forget that it's a bunch of different people working on this shit

[rocky gale]

That's Behind the Dune my dude.

[storm jungle]

🪨

[vast heart]

Any 40k writer would immediately side with Hank and anyone who designs game rules would probably lean closer to dill

[orchid lark]

Im behind the dune doing something alright

[vast heart]

It's a multi-faceted thing with different percentages of top-down/down-up game design depending on the given faction/mini/subfaction etc

[orchid lark]

Yippe

[vast heart]

Some factions are just outright "that's cool as fuck we should do that" and others feel like they were meant to be a little more thought provoking or build off of more interesting concepts

[rocky gale]

My favourite fun fact about that game is that apparently the creator stopped doing fan submitted polls because people kept voting for Shadout Mapes to get more scenes and it annoyed him because he'd only added her to the game as a joke to try and gross out the players.

Creator "Please stop, I was just trying to troll you"

Fans "More Grandma"

[rose thorn]

Just like cyberpunk!

[crystal forum]

when they cyber my punk

[chilly palm]

who up punken they cyber right now

[rocky gale]

You forget that God Emperor of Dune asks the biggest philosophical question, "Would you still love me if I was a worm?"

[vast heart]

She cyber on my punk until I have a rough and premature launch

[storm jungle]

Its incredibly deep.

40k doesnt really have any sort of substance even close to it due to having way too many cooks in the kitchen

theres a reason Dune also shaped modern sci-fi as we more or less know it too directly and indirectly

[pine wedge]

I basically only engaged with some of the 40k novels and games and aside from a misguided attempt at painting a tyranid battleforce when I was 14, never played the wargame

[forest orbit]

You should see how GW treats BL writers 💀

[pine wedge]

the sequels go more into it I believe. huge parts of one of them is the god-emperor leto 2 waffling about philosophy and shit? I haven't read them but I have read a bit about what people have to say about them

[storm jungle]

Reynolds trying to kill Bile but GW saying no because toy soldiers are more important

[forest orbit]

Didn't he quit Black Library after that

[storm jungle]

Yes he did lol

probably the peak example of what i was referring to

[forest orbit]

ye fair nuff

[queen laurel]

The only times I really see writers having their own fun and freedom is when they're making that story far away from the main course of the lore

[storm jungle]

It depends. BL writers dont get a lot of freedom unless they have been writing for warhammer for a long time.

most of their work also gets edited out amidst other stuff if its generally too lore-breaking or like doesnt go well with established canon stuff.

the rare examples that go against this are people like Abnett who just constantly writes prequels and has been around since like 1945

[queen laurel]

bro is older than the emperor

[storm jungle]

mfers been with Marvel forever too

[vast heart]

I'd disagree but I know in my heart of hearts they're never going to do anything interesting like make Vashtorr (or anything else) an actual chaos god

I wanna see the thing the Tau are cooking up in the warp

[storm jungle]

Absolutely not yeah lol

40k doesnt have stakes

[rose thorn]

[storm jungle]

it has the "illusion" of one

[rose thorn]

“The tyranids and orks have become so powerful feeding off each other!

On two planets-“

[storm jungle]

KEK

[raven stone]

I just enjoy 40k as a sandbox universe for my own mind to run wild in :p

[storm jungle]

Same

the "plot" sucks anyway lol

[raven stone]

Like, nothing can change the entire Galaxy, but in some odd corner of it something has to be going just a little bit right.

(TBH the level of firepower and the aesthetics is just oddly cool to enjoy too)

[green loom]

Drama fun

[queen laurel]

my warboss has forcefully saved another poor officer for funzies

[raven stone]

GW’s own writing ineptitude (not even about Custodes, just their lore writing in general) leaves a lot to be desired too.

A lot of lame shorthand hand waving, if even not just outright retcons.

Which…I get what retcons are there for, but from a lore building view, is just the laziest way to do it.

[green loom]

GW has creative directors, not writers

[raven stone]

The direction given being “what is the quickest way to explain why things has to be this way” I suppose.

[storm jungle]

Yeah I hate the general shit.

like "oh the Imperium is split in half!"

"Can we read more about it?"

years and we still got nothing

[green loom]

You can argue Phil Kelly is a writer but he's also Phil Kelly so

[storm jungle]

Imperium Nihilus may as well not exist lol

[storm jungle]

I was watching a video on the 5ed Dark Eldar codex

and its like

Written by Phil Kelly

but theres a text below going

"But most of it was done by Jes Goodwin"

lmao

[queen laurel]

this new faction will have a new book

the promised book has still not arrived

[green loom]

Hey we're getting a Votaan in HaBaddon

[raven stone]

Also I do think at least most sectors, if not down to systems, are capable of some form of self sustenance, even given the weirdly specialised nature of some of the planets.
Otherwise the Imperium REALLY would not function economically.

[green loom]

Most of the planets that can't sustain themselves at all are

Typically

Hive worlds

or Forge worlds

[storm jungle]

The problem is the writers also just do not understand how civilisations work.

A single hive city on an entire planet would have about as many cultures as modern day earth or more lol

[raven stone]

Those would only make sense in heavily fortified sectors which…to be fair, the ones we have seen significant to lore, are actually of some strategic importance.

But yea, anywhere else, those kind of worlds would just…starve to death.

[storm jungle]

"Oh but they do have those with gangs!"

....Thats not how it works lol

[storm jungle]

Also yeah as i keep telling people that dont play the game and like the lore, just do your own shit

its always the best route

[raven stone]

(But Gang culture is the only type which has guns involved!)

[storm jungle]

ignoring the wider setting is the best thing you can do in general

because ironically it makes the entire galaxy feel incredibly small, which is actually so impressive its depressing lol

[queen laurel]

All the things they decided to bring from UK they decided gangs

[raven stone]

now that is just asking me to write a fan world of a planet of nothing but islands and inhabitants eat Fish and Chips

[queen laurel]

It tells a lot when the most detailed planet is not even the main planet of the imperium but some backwater world called Necromunda

[storm jungle]

Necromunda is the planet in 40k with THE most lore

its a great showcase of what pocket-areas of the setting can actually be like with effort

[queen laurel]

yep

[raven stone]

The “one planet = one culture” thing is…with the exception of Cadia, it is weirdly common for almost all the Imperial worlds.

But out of laziness, it is one I am somewhat willing to overlook. If only because I can just write entirely planets based on cultures that GW refuses to write deeply about.

Cadia is justified due to…well, Cadia. lol.

[storm jungle]

Cadia has some sub-cultures

Fall of Cadia explores this actually

but like... yeah pretty much lol

[queen laurel]

oh yeah speaking off, who is the leader of Necromunda again

[storm jungle]

Gerontius Helmawr

but uh

hes in a statis pod rn

and his daughter got ousted

[raven stone]

Actually the Rogue Trader and Dark Heresy books

Also had some deeply rich small-scale lore for worlds too

[storm jungle]

thats because thats side-IP stuff

and those always make settings richer

[queen laurel]

Can people get him out of there

[storm jungle]

He got poisoned

thats why hes put there

since hes a piece of shit lmao

[raven stone]

Enough to convince anyone that you can just invent your small corner of the universe and have fun with that (whilst obeying the larger concepts of the 40k verse without being too embroiled in irrelevant things you don’t like)

[green loom]

The one that got a model?

[storm jungle]

Yep

she was in charge before the other houses ousted her

now shes working with the dwarves to get her throne back

[storm jungle]

Also yeah this

homebrew is the best part of 40k

[queen laurel]

what a suprise

Owner of the most violent planet in imperium is a jackass

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Shoutout to rogue trader again since it just invents a new sector to sit around in

[raven stone]

In fact the game is based on the books, but yes, Koronus expanse is doubly great. Rogue Trader areas are even less beholden to Imperial orthodoxy because of the nature of being an insecure frontier

[storm jungle]

its very much to showcase like

"Hey heres our homebrew sector, go do yours or use our one!"

its great

[raven stone]

Rogue Trader frontier areas pretty much allow you to draw on all the lovelier parts/aesthetics of 40k whilst ignoring the stupid parts of it.

[storm jungle]

it helps that Inquisitors and Rogue Traders tend to also be the most "free" parts of Imperial societies to a point lol

whenever people ask who can an Inquisitor or Trader involve in their retinue i always tell em they are entirely made to be a DnD team so literally "anyone" lol

[dusk patrol]

Almost like they’re designed to give you free rein to live the power fantasy/escapism

[storm jungle]

"escapism"

more like capitalism

but yes

[pine wedge]

absolutely. it's total peak for a setting backdrop to write your own scifi adventures in.

[dusk patrol]

What am I in a freshmen year poli sci class?

[raven stone]

Well, Capitalism and State Sec supported escapism XD

(RT/Inquisitors respectively)

[pine wedge]

I have done a lot of pbp roleplaying in my day and my two favorite settings are the elder scrolls and 40k for that reason: both very lore-dense and richly detailed worlds and histories, but big enough for you to just get lost and do whatever in

[storm jungle]

elder scrolls lore be like

"Im gonna be a khajit"

becomes house cat

win

[dusk patrol]

Member that time entirety of Elsywer became so high they went to the moon

[pine wedge]

the various khajiit forms being depicted justifies the existence of ESO

they do really cool stuff with old/ignored lore stuff from the mainline games

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

Hey now

It was moon dust

[queen laurel]

imagine being born in a specific constellation and suddenly you have the physical strength to overpower an ogryn

[raven stone]

It really helps that both Rogue Traders and Inquisitors are defined by their power and roles as well.
Both books put heavy emphasis on “anyone could end up [unknowingly be a distant relative to a Trade Warrant bearer/recruited by the Inquisition for some really niche reason]”

[storm jungle]

i forgot who was behind it but im sure it was some gentleman named Pawblo Meowscobar

[dusk patrol]

Khajitt lore is all shitposting

[storm jungle]

meanwhile argonians

swamp

be undefeatable

[dusk patrol]

for some dumb reason leave swamp

[storm jungle]

Also yeah before the Fantasy Flight both organisations were like

just there lol

people and modern fans especially got no idea how much the FF books helped with this

[pine wedge]

beating up the dunmer and taking their lunch money is always based and justified

[queen laurel]

they are also free of choosing what form they can be but apparently, being a reptile is it

the greatest example of this genetic manipulation is Argonian behemoths

[storm jungle]

Elder Scroll races are so good

[dusk patrol]

People who don’t know Eldar scrolls lore: Oh man the Nords sure are being mean to the Dunmer how sad

People who know: hah get fucked stupid mushroom elves

[storm jungle]

more like

"Whos more racist in Elder scrolls"

"Yes"

[raven stone]

Also arguably slightly less 40k focused, but…
…it annoys me to no end how almost every 40k crossover is “let’s randomly throw Imperial military against [X] and see what happens.”
Instead of featuring Rogue Traders, which is, you know, built exactly for that sort of interaction instead.

[dusk patrol]

Elder scrolls is competitive racism

[storm jungle]

Yep

[celest dome]

High Elf no ?

[queen laurel]

you can't be racist if you hate every race including your own

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

Again, too many cooks in the kitchen

people go on about how great it is to have so many authors for a setting

[dusk patrol]

Killing high elves isn’t just guilt free

[storm jungle]

then complain when some books turn out to be dogshit

lol

[dusk patrol]

It’s actually good karma

[storm jungle]

Salamander fans learned this the hard way

[queen laurel]

skyrim was pretty bad but those yellow skinned runts made me want to skin them

[storm jungle]

its even funnier because when you are a high elf they are still a racist to you

accurate depiction of IRL

[queen laurel]

Like I said hate even your own race

[dusk patrol]

High elves are phenomenal at making everyone hate them

Literally just the worst

[storm jungle]

false

Nords exist

[queen laurel]

yeah like actually finding a nice one is very much a quest in it's own

[dusk patrol]

High elves ability to make nords seem reasonable is more proof of how shit they are

[storm jungle]

the nice ones are the ones that want nothing to do with the politics and are just random NPCs you can find in the world doing mundane stuff lol

[queen laurel]

This is why I always kick ulfric in the teeth

[storm jungle]

Nords suck

[pine wedge]

high elves actually involved with high elf business are always the worst

random altmer are generally fine

[queen laurel]

i don't like the empire but at times they can be more reasonable than the nords

[storm jungle]

also iirc Thalmor are literally like a gestapo organisation that even normal high elf society hates

which explains a lot

lmao

[storm jungle]

they are just harmless wannabe romans

deffo could be worse

[dusk patrol]

Idk about harmless but they’re definitely the best option

[queen laurel]

oh shit i did the right thing

[storm jungle]

Pillaging a few villages is pretty harmless

im sure they didnt hurt anyone

[pine wedge]

the thalmor were a very politically powerful faction in like, the second era. and then they got sidelined for a long time until they managed to dethrone the summerset isles royalty and effectively stage a coup and they've been calling the shots and declaring war on the empire ever since. took them about two centuries, starting in the years after the oblivion crisis

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

HMMM

[dusk patrol]

Next game will probably be in Hammerfell since it’s heavily implied that’s gonna be the battle ground for the next war.

[storm jungle]

SOUNDS LIKE SOMEONE I KNOW

🍺

[pine wedge]

hahaha

[storm jungle]

cant wait to die from all the falling hammers

[pine wedge]

yeah pretty much. elf nazis.

[storm jungle]

yeah more or less 💀

[pine wedge]

big gestapo/stasi vibes

[storm jungle]

you can just do an east german citizen move in markarth and sell someone out for worshipping talos

its so fucking funny

[pine wedge]

they consider ulfric stormcloak a sort of "rogue asset" but they dont interfere because he's destabilizing the empire

[storm jungle]

yeah the entire civil war in skyrim is pointless which is the point

the nords are just too dumb to see the bigger picture

which, tb

sweden

so makes sense

[pine wedge]

I enjoy siding with the empire just for the opportunity to shout ulfric down. you think that's the thu'um? aight bet. watch this

[storm jungle]

I join because I love Balgruff

ballin'

[pine wedge]

Balgruff is cool

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/skyrim-gamer-gaming-video-games-gif-9306124

[queen laurel]

@storm jungle @pine wedge

but also them

[storm jungle]

BRUH

[pine wedge]

oh yeah I need to go see that last movie

[storm jungle]

same

[pine wedge]

love me some dumb kaiju flicks

[queen laurel]

What it's right though

You two would have an argument and then suddenly team up

[storm jungle]

its true

I love how the complaint point is
"oh my god i cant believe they made godzilla and kong goofie"

...my guy do you even know godzilla

[pine wedge]

right?

[queen laurel]

Literally the showa era

[pine wedge]

godzilla has just been power rangers in even more outrageously bad costumes for most of his run

[queen laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-dance-happy-excited-gif-8206426

[storm jungle]

If I wanna realistic shit-my-pants godzilla ill watch Minus One or Shin

both equally great and horrifying movies

[pine wedge]

I missed minus one in cinemas, big sad

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-slide-gone-gif-20374120

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

HE DOES THAT TWICE TOO

[queen laurel]

godzilla is without a doubt one of the most flexible characters in fiction

[storm jungle]

Megalon got NO mercy 💀

[storm jungle]

yeah hes great and timeless

[queen laurel]

He can be the most horrifying thing you can see to some of the funniest things you can see

A hero or villain an antihero

[storm jungle]

hes a good lad

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-we-we-do-a-little-trolling-trolling-troll-gif-20322707

[queen laurel]

yes

[storm jungle]

unrelated gif

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/kamenraptor-gif-21353173

[storm jungle]

least violent primarch fight

[queen laurel]

Very well here's an unrelated image of one of my favorite kaiju

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

what

He looks goofy I like it

[dusk patrol]

You have terrible taste I’m sorry

[storm jungle]

LMAO WOW

[queen laurel]

uh huh

anyway

[dusk patrol]

Now this guy

This is a real kaiju

You’ll note of course he has drills for hands

[queen laurel]

You like megalon?

[dusk patrol]

I did when I was a kid

Cause I liked the idea of drilling around

We had that one Godzilla game

[queen laurel]

I expected you to like Gigan because both of you are Dick heads

[storm jungle]

I was resisting ngl

also Final Wars gigan is just 40k

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-godzilla-final-wars-modified-gigan-gigan-show-off-gif-27369802

[queen laurel]

His final form is quite literally made to **** ** anything

[dusk patrol]

He’s gonna shit yourself

[queen laurel]

as if The first one wasn't already edging

[dusk patrol]

I remember when I was a kid I thought as soon as I saw mecha Godzilla had laser eyes “oh he can use those to lift someone up if he lasers them above him”

And then he did it

So basically the creators of those movies were on the same wavelength as 10 year old me

[queen laurel]

which mechagodzilla?

Showa, Heisei, kiryu or legendary?

[storm jungle]

I hope mecha-godzilla also taught you robotics and bionics are cool too

[dusk patrol]

I have no idea

[storm jungle]

also hard to nail because like even OG mecha-g had laser eyes too

[queen laurel]

Kiryu is my favorite

[dusk patrol]

I just know he put Godzilla or something over his head and then started lifting them up with his laser eyes

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-godzilla-against-mechagodzilla-kiryu-mechagodzilla-armed-heavy-weapons-gif-23957433

[queen laurel]

Shame the battery of this ******* only actually lasted like 2 hours

[scenic bolt]

They don’t want you to see the true Kong vs Godzilla beef

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/mechagodzilla-godzilla-godzilla-vs-kong-actually-gif-22429544

[queen laurel]

The fact that he is also the bones of the original Godzilla

[outer wave]

You guys remember when America tried their hand at Godzilla in the early 2000s?

[scenic bolt]

Godzilla on ice

[dusk patrol]

I remember when we made him sick as fuck in 2014

[queen laurel]

you mean zilla?

[outer wave]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

Ohh he's not that bad especially when you saw the TV show

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-rippe-gif-7293358

[outer wave]

And I think one other movie where they pitted western godzilla against OG godzilla but never saw that one

[dusk patrol]

It’s uh

[queen laurel]

Like this was pretty fun to watch

[queen laurel]

final wars

[dusk patrol]

Yeah that was it

[outer wave]

Oh I don't recall the animated show

[dusk patrol]

It’s basically a cameo

[storm jungle]

^

he has like

1m of screentime

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-godzilla-final-wars-zilla-high-jump-kick-leap-gif-27536087

[storm jungle]

since the movie has like

10000 MONSTERS

[storm jungle]

yeah there he goes

little bitch

[queen laurel]

And he was literally just brought in for disrespect

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

honestly cant blame em

[outer wave]

Got fucked

[dusk patrol]

Final Wars plot is “and then this monster shows up”

[storm jungle]

you forgot the subplot

where superhuman matrix people fight each other

[dusk patrol]

As always, the human subplots for Godzilla movies are there for bathroom breaks

[storm jungle]

^

[queen laurel]

Ohh yeah you know what's funny in the cartoon the one that appears is his son and his son actually has an atomic breath

[storm jungle]

the finale was also great

the audience is like

"oh wow godzilla got em all!"

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-godzilla-final-wars-monster-x-levitation-levitating-gif-27573444

[outer wave]

Damn he donezo...

[dusk patrol]

Still sad that Tony Soprano didn’t get to make a cameo

[queen laurel]

This ******* still has a final form

[outer wave]

Who was that again? King Gorath or something?

[queen laurel]

Kaiser Ghidorah

[outer wave]

Thank you

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/king-ghidorah-drums-drums-godzilla-funny-king-ghidorah-hydra-gif-27588638

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-kaiju-king-of-the-monsters-king-guidorah-ghidorah-gif-21743144

[outer wave]

He's going HARD on those drum headbutts

[queen laurel]

the normal one is called King Ghidorah

[dusk patrol]

I fucking love the KotM Ghidorah

They nailed him

[queen laurel]

It's very good

Rodan and Mothra too

[crystal forum]

this is the nerdiest nerd talk i've ever seen

[golden meteor]

Realizing how badly that tech priest fucked up by destroying the STC for making phosphex

Tyranids woulda hated that

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-king-of-the-monsters-king-ghidorah-ultimate-gravity-beams-gravity-bolts-gif-24664113

[outer wave]

What's the difference? Was Kaiser in Final Wars?

[crystal forum]

why do nids hate fire

[queen laurel]

yes, kaiser is the final form of monster X

[dusk patrol]

I’ll give you three guesses

[queen laurel]

King Ghidorah is his own thing

[outer wave]

Ah gotcha

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/duel-star-wars-flame-fire-darth-vader-gif-7971806

[crystal forum]

1. it looks cool

[dusk patrol]

Here’s a hint

[outer wave]

I do recall seeing the transformation scene back as a kid

[crystal forum]

and nids hate cool

[outer wave]

And uh kinda fucked with my head

[storm jungle]

They'd have adapted to it in some capacity

[outer wave]

I did NOT like that scene

[storm jungle]

they literally opted to virus bomb them and it did nothing after the first try lol

[crystal forum]

do salamanders use meltas

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/yd2LSEcXTL8?si=Dp_4yOxk6gng-w3n

[storm jungle]

no they use fire extinguishers

[dusk patrol]

Yes

[crystal forum]

so melta guns are sorta heat weapons right

[storm jungle]

the name has "melt" in it

[dusk patrol]

They love meltas and flamethrowers

[crystal forum]

i'm not the weird one for thinking of meltas as long range flamers

[storm jungle]

They are beam weapons basically

[dusk patrol]

No

They’re super concentrated heat

[crystal forum]

see it's weird that plasma weaponry isn't considered heat weapons too right

[storm jungle]

I mean

no?

[queen laurel]

I hate interpretation of them being super close range heat shotguns

[storm jungle]

plasma doesnt shoot fire

[crystal forum]

plasma is literally superheated gas

[storm jungle]

💀

[outer wave]

I think I remembered the "head splitting" part too well or something but it might've been a form before this one idk

[crystal forum]

i guess since it's blast weaponry in 40k it's more of an explosive

[plush mason]

they are just extra spicy welding torches

get close and melt the fool

[crystal forum]

is there a chapter that really likes exploding stuff

[golden meteor]

Developing immunity to a virus is different than adapting to something that burns your straight into ash

[dusk patrol]

Yes

All of them

[golden meteor]

They is not mahoraga

[storm jungle]

And tyranids are said multiple times to be apex predators when it comes to adaptation.

so yes its still more or less the same thing

[crystal forum]

any chapter that REALLY likes exploding stuff?

[dusk patrol]

Idk Iron Hands I guess

[golden meteor]

Tbh I still don’t think a hive fleet would fly into the sun would it

[crystal forum]

i thought their shtick was vehicles and tech

[storm jungle]

What does that have to do with anything

[dusk patrol]

What do you think they’re using those vehicles for?

[plush mason]

arent the majority of the ships like asleep during travel? so it could happy

[crystal forum]

peace and love

[storm jungle]

okay but like

thats "firepower"

not explosions

you aint no Mr Torque

https://tenor.com/view/torgue-explosions-borderlands-gaming-game-gif-16537893

[crystal forum]

like every chapter enjoys flamers but salamanders do it next level

[dusk patrol]

Well Jay should ask better questions then

[golden meteor]

Drawing lines between phoswhatever and the sun

[storm jungle]

welp

[storm jungle]

You should ask some better uhhhh

[storm jungle]

bitches idk

[dusk patrol]

Got em

[storm jungle]

[golden meteor]

[crystal forum]

the unmatched power of the sun