#40k-lore-chat

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lunar harness
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i heard really bad things about the lore from the last expansion from all my destiny homies

arctic talon
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prolly why they never show up alone

lunar harness
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well my 1 destiny homie

arctic talon
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tbh

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Lightfall was just a mess writing wise

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bcs its clear bungie went through

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at least 3 different fucking iterations

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of the story

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but already had things recorded for said 3 iterations

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and tried stiching them together to salvage something

lunar harness
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i liked the moon expansion and Mars expansion the best

arctic talon
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I liked Witch Queen and the Gambit one the most

queen laurel
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The only thing I know about destiny is that if I am going to play it I'm going to play Titan

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arctic talon
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mostly because I like The Nine

lunar harness
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MOONS HAUNTED

arctic talon
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The Nine are sick imo

queen laurel
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Ohh yeah Speaking of how powerful is an average guardian

lunar harness
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my biggest problem with destiny is the rpg part is incredibly shallow

arctic talon
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Average guardian? Superhuman strength and regeneration

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can toss out things that violate the laws of physics

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still vulnerable to being incredibly overconfident

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and foolhardy

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Also Guardian Armor in general is like

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not the best

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the City's armor industrial base pales in comparison to its weapon production

queen laurel
arctic talon
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Literally a match for an Army

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Or can kill a planet lol

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Osiris literally wiped out an entire brood of hive

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the entire bloodline of a hive brood

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on his own

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only reason he lost his light was because of his own overconfidence in the situation

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and made a mistake in trying to figuratively punch out a Hive God's avatar lol

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that he had just participated in the ritual of with said mass murder lol

queen laurel
arctic talon
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a bloodthirster would kill a titan if the Titan let said bloodthirster hit them

crisp heath
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Just need ONE GOOD HIT

arctic talon
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yeah

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if the bloodthirster smashes the titan the titans done for

crisp heath
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Compared to each other

arctic talon
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since the ghost can just be crushed

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with raw force

crisp heath
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Both sides are now glass cannons

arctic talon
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yeah

crisp heath
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Whoever hits first wins

arctic talon
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Also all guardian weapons are technically a "psychic" attack

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Since they infuse their weapons with light while usingthem

arctic talon
crisp heath
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Unless a titan has an ultimate where they sucker punch someone

thorn zenith
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The notion of light countering daemons is also classic

arctic talon
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now granted if you have some fucking freak of nature like Wei Ning

thorn zenith
arctic talon
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who managed to fucking shake a mountain(literally)

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with a punch

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then yeah I think my bets on the titan ngl

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but she's a freak of nature in regard to her abilities

crisp heath
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I feel like khornate fleets would just shoot the massive orb/moon thing that gives the guardians their power

arctic talon
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and also dead

arctic talon
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as far as we know

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it can be supressed however

crisp heath
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In destinys universe

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Khorne gonna go to his fridge

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And pull out the coldest

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Can of whoop ass

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For the love of the game

arctic talon
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Khorne would love The Hive

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lol

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Sword logic is so insanely khornate

queen laurel
arctic talon
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Supression would

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seeing as it stops any active use of "ontological and paracausal forces"

crisp heath
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How do khorne factions interact with tyranids anyway?

arctic talon
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Kill them

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nids still count

crisp heath
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The super melee faction vs the super melee faction

arctic talon
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there's a khornate lord who ascended to daemonhood

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by providing eight massive tyranid skulls

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to the skull throne

queen laurel
crisp heath
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Cain did

queen laurel
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A very skilled berserker can take down a carnifex if he feels like it

arctic talon
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also destiny 2 has a fucking miniature blackhole gun lol

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as in it shoots tiny black holes

queen laurel
crisp heath
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I’m sure a horde of 30 bugs with razor sharp claws can

arctic talon
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Why does it do that and who invented it

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we will never know

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but guardians like it a lot

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and it gets distributed among them

queen laurel
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A black hole is a black hole

arctic talon
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also the first time it was shown off

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was during a crucible match

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which is a bloodsport that gets broadcasted live to The Last City lol

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The Crucible being broadcasted live is always funny to me tbh

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since its like

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literally people killing each other

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like yeah they can come back to life but there's still blood and they physically die lol

queen laurel
crisp heath
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What’s makes khorne warriors so good at melee anyway? Are they just like super roided up like what a norscan is to an empire soldier that a khorne berzekrer is to a regular space marine or something?

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I don’t think it’s training

queen laurel
arctic talon
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better training + built better

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Khornate warriors train

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quite a bit

crisp heath
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Cause all space marines go super hard into training

arctic talon
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or I guess world eaters

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But khornes blessings

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grant you insane strength

crisp heath
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Khorne malding when I hit his super warrior with a plasma shot

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Actual parry this moment

arctic talon
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lol

queen laurel
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But I'm pretty sure you would be good most of the time shooting them

crisp heath
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Yeah just for the love of god

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Don’t get close

arctic talon
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Also some khornate worshipers like shooting people

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And they get blessings to make them shoot better

crisp heath
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You can shoot them as you charge

arctic talon
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Yeah

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But what if you shoot them

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With a lot of guns

crisp heath
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I think khorne would love creeping artillery

queen laurel
crisp heath
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A wave of heavy artillery shells raining from the sky as the horde of berserkers, demons and cultists move forward

queen laurel
crisp heath
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What do you mean that’s an artillery piece? I use that thing as a melee unit in total war

arctic talon
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The world eater codex lore mentions butcher surgeons and world eater heavy weapons

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The world eater rules uh

tough haven
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So I came up with a concept for a faction in said fantasy/sci fi setting, yall wanna hear it and give your thoughts? I'm trying to make semi distinct factions that arent just ripoffs from existing media

queen laurel
arctic talon
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I’ll hear it

tough haven
tough haven
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this is literally just a draft I came up with on my drive home while listening to this so its pretty rough around the edges

crisp heath
tough haven
tough haven
# tough haven alright, wall of text time

I have a concept for a faction, the name I have so far is The Atlas Collective, a multi-species group of colonists, prospectors, outcasts, and deserters who live a nomadic life on an ancient generation ship turned into a floating supercolony, the Collective is primarily a massive mining prospect, travelling from world to world, to gather resources, trade, and occasionally stake claims. Founded by the last captain of the original colonist fleets sent by humanity before the invention of FTL travel. Having taken thousands of years, and countless generations of hopeful colonists to reach their destination deep into the Galactic Fringe, Finnegan Atlas, the final captain before arriving, decided that to travel incalculable expanses of void only to plant a few pockets of relative safety was a waste to all the lives given to make it this far. After reaching their destination, the captain rallied those of a similar mindset together to form the fledgeling Atlas Collective. Their aim to create a self sustaining society that could travel the galaxy as they see fit, to offer safehaven across countless systems from the horrors in between the stars, to any who would seek it.

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Legally distinct leagues of votaan ripoff, but less isolationist

crisp heath
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Are the leagues considered a human faction by the imperium?

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Don’t let them see the robots

queen laurel
crisp heath
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Or god forbid the cores

queen laurel
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the league downplays their tech around the imperium

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Because if the imperium find out that there is just a group of them walking around with dark age of technology level tech they are going to war

crisp heath
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I was thinking them being able to space travel would be hard to downplay

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But

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Ork’s

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So like I don’t know anymore lol

queen laurel
tough haven
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I just wanted to make a kinda collectivist faction thats nomadic with a somewhat naive outlook (The setting is supposed to be some amount of grim dark)

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thoughts, comments, questions?

queen laurel
arctic talon
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I don't think its bad

queen laurel
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Yeah other than my hilariously bad comment it works very well

arctic talon
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I think its a good idea

queen laurel
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And hey the bar of having a ridiculous faction isn't really existent because well destiny warhammer and other sci-fi media have that

arctic talon
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ironic you were listening to We All Lift Together when you came up with that lol

tough haven
tough haven
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I want that vibe

queen laurel
arctic talon
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considering the Solaris are enslaved

tough haven
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I'm just a sucker for work songs

arctic talon
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have you heard the other song sung by the Solaris after a large story event lol

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or I guess during a story quest

tough haven
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I just wanted the vibe of a lot of people working together with a common goal

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I have not

arctic talon
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its different

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is all I'll say lol

tough haven
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if yall have questions or ideas on how to to expound upon its identity, I am happy to brainstorm

arctic talon
tough haven
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the main ship in the fleet is like ark mechanicus levels of big

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with dedicated industry areas and whatnot, in fact thats a lot of it since it was originally a ship designed to seed mining colonies once they reached their destination

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heres some more lore I cooked up

arctic talon
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that makes sense

tough haven
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The culture of the Collective is based around shared responsibility, all members big and small do their part to keep the group as a whole functioning, outside of this, the Atlas Collective's laws are few and far between, believing in large amounts of autonomy based in ideals of honor and a sense of brotherhood to keep its members together
Atlas himself believed in rising above judgement for judgements sake, and as such the collective has taken this to heart, and is one of the more tolerant factions at play in the galaxy, accepting nearly all into the fold so long as you assist your fellows, they do not care who you were before you stepped aboard, aliens, criminals, the downtrodden, all are welcome, though originally just ship born humans, it has expanded into much more since its inception Atlas himself believed in rising above judgement for judgements sake, and as such the collective has taken this to heart, and is one of the more tolerant factions at play in the galaxy, accepting nearly all into the fold so long as you assist your fellows, they do not care who you were before you stepped aboard, aliens, criminals, the downtrodden, all are welcome, though originally just ship born humans, it has expanded into much more since its inception

tough haven
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because it takes a lot to prep that large of a ship/fleet for FTL travel

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oh btw, its been made to be FTL capable since that tech has become available, long after the rest of humanity though

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I imagine it like the colonies of the imperium, lots has happened since they were founded

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so theyre somewhat behind on galactic happenings

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since they are so far out

arctic talon
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I c

tough haven
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I also have this half baked allegory relating to the greek myth of atlas being flipped on its head, instead of one being holding up a planet, its a large group of people working together to support its weight

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Idk how to flesh out this relating to the rest of the galaxy/add more details, as in what questions to ask

tough haven
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And since it’s a grim dark setting, and they’re a bit too bright for that, I’ll probably have them be overly naive and hopeful which causes issues

thick cedar
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Have there ever been xenos in the inquisition or is it a purely human organization

lunar harness
celest dome
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As Inquisitor no

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As Acolytes, it has happened
Same for familiars

lunar harness
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Yea, would an alien bird be considered a xenos?

celest dome
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Yes

winged jacinth
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the imperium is a lot less harsh on non-sentient xenos vs anything that can talk

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we love our funny space monkey mechanics

snow fern
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the psyker enhancing space cats

unkempt dove
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it feels like the 'xenos' term is usually reserved for intelligent species capable of some sorta civilization.... like grox is fine and accepted and it ain't heresy to eat grox

arctic talon
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not as a full member

dusk patrol
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There’s been multiple inquisitors with Xenos in their retinue yeah

arctic talon
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especially for Malleus tbh

dusk patrol
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Jokaero are fairly common

arctic talon
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yeah

dusk patrol
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As are other mercenary species

arctic talon
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Malleus is def the most open to working with xenos

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because of well

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daemons

dusk patrol
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Sslyth and Kroot are often seen too.

arctic talon
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Sslyth are such a weird merc race tbh

tulip brook
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Compared to alternatives... I'd expect radical xenos guys would be more open

queen laurel
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Blood axe orks do a lot of dirty work for the inquisition too but of course the risk that comes with hiring them is often a lot

dusk patrol
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I love the lore that the Drukhari like to employ them since since they’re reliable and much more trustworthy

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Than hiring a Drukhari

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But yeah radical xenos inquisitors will too

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Generally speaking working with xenos directly and that closely is pretty radical

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Bronislaw Czevak being a good example

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Arguably the example

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Although he kinda had everyone and their mom on his ass at various points

coarse pumice
thorn zenith
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See how megadouchebag Calcazar from Rogue Trader game straight up worked with a whole bunch of drukhari

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I still have beef with the guy after so long, dude was like "its only heresy if i lose" and still had the whole gall to chide us for not being 100% dogmatic

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Such is why I had Nomos remotely deactivate his cock and balls

lunar harness
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abelard, kick this guy in the-

dusk patrol
river walrus
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Wanted ask smart queshion but forgot it

gray umbra
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i was totally hey u do ur thing i do mine ill help if it makes sense

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and then he had to step in my fucking oatmeal

radiant lance
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Is the Warhammer 40k wiki or lexicanum better?

celest dome
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lexi

gray umbra
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lexicanum has more detail

celest dome
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Depend, but Lexi is more trustworthy

radiant lance
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Yeah I'm reading about Bronislaw Czevak, and the wiki is much more robust

queen laurel
celest dome
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Without checking most of the time

queen laurel
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Lex may seem a bit less detailed but they do research and reduce the fluff basically

gray umbra
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i think i stumble across headcanon a lot more in wiki

celest dome
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The fantasy lex isn't great

tough haven
pine wedge
crystal forum
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old custodes do go hard

spring cairn
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goofhammer

crystal forum
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i think they're a lot more badass when they're just superhumans without any technology helping them kick ass

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i always thought the idea of a space marine without armour is a lot scarier than a big guy in a suit with a big gun

radiant lance
crystal forum
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can you imagine being hunted by somebody as big as a custodes except they're also completely silent staregryn

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So i know i'm definitely the outlier here because most horror monsters are big and terrifying

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BUT i think there's nothing scarier than just a big fucking guy trying to kill you

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case in point, mister X from resident evil 2

near wasp
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I think there's also something horrifying about a marine or custodes just running at you because of the uncanny valley effect and the fact that something that big shouldnt move that fast

crystal forum
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YES

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it just feels so off

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like no wonder guardsmen shit their pants when they're being bum rushed by something twice their size

orchid lark
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Imagine something much larger and faster than custodes, and not just silent, but something your mind cant physically detect.

versed ledge
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only space marine i want cannon

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outer wave
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I actually kinda like the idea of a mass produced SM that the Imperium tried to develop on its own, but they're only marginally better than Temptus Scions

crystal forum
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lots of the founding 100 regiments on terra use gene modding

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they're as close to space marines as you can get

grave sparrow
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wasn't the solar auxilla pretty badass? I don't think they were augmented or modded though

celest dome
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They power armour

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Had*

versed ledge
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So regular dude get to wear power armor?

rocky gale
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Always have

versed ledge
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Sort of curious why they won't give that stuff more special forces?

dusk patrol
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Because it’s expensive as fuck

versed ledge
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Fair enough

dusk patrol
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The Solar Auxilia also had standard issue Volkite early on

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But eventually that became too costly to make and maintain

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A big thing too is they got much bigger in size

versed ledge
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Even if humanity faces a war for survival, it still bends to the will of the mighty market

dusk patrol
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Supply and demand always exists in all economies

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You can’t materialize more rare materials

storm jungle
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Depends.

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In most cases/stories in 40k supply/demand does not exist.

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Literally only a few books and the gigachad imperial armor books ever cover this issue.

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"Its expensive."

Every single sororitas gets power armor

versed ledge
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Including their hospitaller nuns....

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A nun relegated to medical task has armor better than of the guard

storm jungle
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Yeah like, just dont question logistics

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people try to explain it but it doesnt work lol

rocky gale
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I always think of it as they don't want to spend the money to do it rather than they're unable to afford it

dusk patrol
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It’s not complicated, SoB aren’t even close to as numerous as the guard and they have the backing of a super powerful organization

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They’re elite

versed ledge
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Yup, but hey one thing is sure...if you're part of normal every day citizenry. The best you're getting is a shirt and a flashlight

dusk patrol
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They get the cool toys

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There are rare guard regiments with some super expensive and rare gear too

versed ledge
dusk patrol
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Volpone Bluebloods are one which comes to mind

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They all get carapace, super high end guns, power weapons, the works

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That gold? Auramite gilding.

storm jungle
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they arent as numerous as guardsmen yes

dusk patrol
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Yes and that’s nothing to the guard

storm jungle
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but that is still a lot of power armor

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so like

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again

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the argument is dumb

dusk patrol
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It’s not, there’s probably trillions of guard

storm jungle
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"We cant make power armor for a regiment but we can make it for these elite women who got about as much of a high casualty rate"

dusk patrol
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They do have some regiments with power armor

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It’s not common but there’s a few

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But the sisters get way way high priority and gear

storm jungle
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Yeah im just saying its not suppose to make sense. Its just aesthetics before any proper explanation.

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You can just say "its expensive" to about anything.

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yet there never a power-armor shortages for sisters anywhere

celest dome
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Sororitas getting power armour is very much just the Ministorum supporting their own troops and not the IG

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And not every Sororitas conclave have PA

storm jungle
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Wow

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im glad big religious groups DON'T do this IRL

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oh right whoops

celest dome
dusk patrol
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Its more speaking to the power the Sororitas and Ministorum has

celest dome
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The Sororitas themselves don't have that much power

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In the political game

versed ledge
storm jungle
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Plot.

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Also terminator armor is super rare guys

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every Chapter almost gets one

versed ledge
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Or more

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Like enough for a company worths

dusk patrol
storm jungle
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We are told this.

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Yet its the complete opposite.

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I understand theres an "explanation" but its still wildly inconsistent.

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it doesnt matter

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A Chapter's terminator supply exists on the whim of "Hey we need some Terminators for this plotline give them a dozen."

dusk patrol
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I mean it does, it holds up fine in universe, I don’t know what’s complicated about how some chapters are way “weathlier” and some have almost nothing

storm jungle
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There's nothing complicated

plush mason
storm jungle
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im just saying its inconsistent, so people trying to explain it away is a bit funny lmao

plush mason
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or was it all of them?

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ether way, its dumb

dusk patrol
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They mention in Pandorax all Grey Knight ones do, but they have the Deathwing with them and only the oldest suits among the terminators there have it

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He has to search a bit to find an old enough suit

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It was basically a thing they did for the first generation of Indomitus terminators made after the heresy

plush mason
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what part of the suit is it anyway?

dusk patrol
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Crux terminatus

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The skull shoulder

plush mason
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how fucking big was the empror's armor?

dusk patrol
dusk patrol
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Like I said it was the earliest suits which had it

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It’s rare for them to still

plush mason
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ok so its not the whole shoulder then

dusk patrol
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Nah just a piece in it

plush mason
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ok more reasonable than i expected

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with GW you never know how crazy the numbers will get

soft thunder
# storm jungle "Its expensive." >Every single sororitas gets power armor

I mean it's just the trope of how the Church is a bunch of power-hungry blood suckers who can get anything they want becuase "God said this is mine now". Like the stupid massive trump tower churches they have, like a gold ingot surround by literal shit. That's just my 2 cents on the why the sisters get so much better equipment than the guard, I litterally know almost nothing deeper than the surface level stuff for the sisters.

storm jungle
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the Major Orders especially

dire apex
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Doesn’t help that mechanicus are often petty assholes

storm jungle
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I.T moment

soft thunder
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truly a silly universe with numbers made of whimsy

dire apex
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Mechanicus revoking the guard’s power armor privileges because they never think to turn it off and on again before calling

storm jungle
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again only Imperial Armor covers this stuff and its great

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on the Taros campaign the guard lose their water/food barges

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and just

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the entire invasion falls apart

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and they evacuate the planet lmao

tulip brook
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Half of the universe can afford power armor but if it's termie armor it's too expensive

storm jungle
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This guy gets it

radiant lance
dusk patrol
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Tbh it’s a miracle their logistics work as good as they do

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It’s hard enough for us to do logistics on one fucking planet

storm jungle
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It works through plot armor

radiant lance
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They're incredibly wasteful, but it helps that they just have a fuck load of shit to waste

storm jungle
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Also yeah this

dusk patrol
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Now add in time warp bullshit, inconsistent travel time, inconsistent messaging, incalculable bigger size

storm jungle
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wasting resources is easy when you got them in abundance

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the Imperium "realistically" speaking would have collapsed in like

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a single millennia

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with everyone going warlord

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but that aint happening yet

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okay well its happening on ONE part

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cue Rift

radiant lance
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It probably helps that the religion is severely authoritarian and ingrained in everyone

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And then inquisitors assassinate anyone uppity

soft thunder
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Also it seems like everything runs on unspecified fuel sources, that are also inexhaustible.

dusk patrol
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Which speaks to how competent the administratum is in universe

storm jungle
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"Competent"

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💀

dusk patrol
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I mean yeah, shit runs still, it’s run for 10,000 years

storm jungle
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Yeah because plot

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and we gotta sell Space Marines

dusk patrol
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Yes which means they’re competent in universe

radiant lance
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Rupert Gillman is the best primarch to awaken first just because his super power is logistics

dusk patrol
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We see what fuck ups lead to for them we see mostly that they don’t do those

storm jungle
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Kinda

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the setting being galaxy-wide helps with this

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they do as many fuck ups as good-ups

dusk patrol
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The logistics of something the size of the imperium with the warp travel quirks and communication quirks are insane

dusk patrol
storm jungle
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that doesnt mean its competent

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its just "well it works because the writer said so"

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And like... most book examples of the Administratum only show how bad it is lol

dusk patrol
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I mean that’s how it works, they’re written that they mostly don’t fuck up so they don’t

storm jungle
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But

radiant lance
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If you start to realistically analyze the logistics and how the Imperium functions, you just keep running into massive issue after massive issue

storm jungle
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They are written so that they mostly fuck up

radiant lance
storm jungle
storm jungle
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again, its just plot

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its not that deep

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anyone saying the administratum works when the lore says it doesnt work is kinda nuts.

dusk patrol
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Just like we don’t get books on a boring mission where nothing goes wrong mostly

radiant lance
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The watcher in the rain made it very clear that it only takes like one person to just starve a regiment

storm jungle
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Some guys doing good work doesnt negate 80% of the bad shit they do logistics-wise.

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The administratum is not competent.

dusk patrol
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The lore focuses on how hard their job is

soft thunder
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I'd be interested in a 40k grimdark version of The Office lol

dusk patrol
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Most do the snippets of we get it’s just miserable

orchid lark
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Guilliman had to make an entire division just so the Battlefleets could function

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its still aint perfect

storm jungle
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ADB Moment

dusk patrol
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Oh so now we care what Gav Thorpe writes smh

orchid lark
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both of them sick of it

storm jungle
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I mean

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okay i was gonna say

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"when its not eldar"

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but then I remembered his Dark Angels books

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FallenFallenFallenFallenFallenFallen
FallenFallenFallenFallenFallenFallen
FallenFallenFallenFallenFallenFallen
FallenFallenFallenFallenFallenFallen

dusk patrol
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I have avoided reading anything he writes as much as I can

orchid lark
#

no one hates 40k books more than Dilara

#

'/j

dusk patrol
#

Now he’s gonna ruin Votann

tulip brook
storm jungle
#

yeah im not holding my breath

#

💀

arctic talon
#

Gav is about to subject the dwarfs to his cycle

storm jungle
#

LMAO

orchid lark
#

in some shape and form most primarchs would make an admin division to make things efficient,

#

bobby is just the best

storm jungle
#

Andor is fucking AMAZING

orchid lark
#

nah

storm jungle
#

absolutely recommend it

orchid lark
#

you aint making me watch disney

storm jungle
#

Yeah its why i pirated it

#

why does anyone pay for Disney+

#

lmao

orchid lark
#

i aint giving disney no time for piracy

storm jungle
#

BRUH MOMENT

orchid lark
#

they dont deserve my scallywag ways

#

ive only watched one thing disney since 2021

dusk patrol
#

I don’t have time to watch stuff I wanna watch most of the time

orchid lark
#

since 2020 i mean

#

it was Avatar 2

#

solely because that was on my birthday

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and I love swimming

#

anything disney can go eat corn the long way

storm jungle
#

"Okay time to start watching this later today!"

#

Doesnt

#

Wakes up next day

#

"Aw man"

orchid lark
#

thats why i have two monitors

storm jungle
#

💀

orchid lark
#

i draw, and i watch

#

that way i can half ass two things

dusk patrol
#

I just had to sit down and binge all of Fallout

orchid lark
#

or get engrossed on one thing only

#

took me 4 days to watch fallout

tulip brook
#

So series can watch me when I'm distracted with anything I can think of at the moment

orchid lark
#

because I watched 2-3 episodes a night

green loom
#

I binged all of fallout because it was good

orchid lark
#

before I went back to sleep

#

its very very good

storm jungle
#

I related to the snake oil salesman a lot

#

especially the part where hes gonna blow his brains out before he sees another human being

dusk patrol
#

Ah another chicken fucker in the wild

radiant lance
#

CLOACA

storm jungle
#

BRUH

dusk patrol
crystal forum
#

fallout lore doesn't make sense because it wasn't supposed to be viewed on the global level until the last instalments

#

plus bethesda just not being a good source of reliable lore

orchid lark
#

Nah I aint gonna complain about it.

#

We’re lucky they were quick to make a new season

crystal forum
#

interplay and obsidian cared about lore. guess that's why season 1 takes place there

#

like i really have no idea how the show would have worked on east coast

orchid lark
#

I feel like the fans care about the lore more than anyone else does

crystal forum
#

because the one game with good lore has some of the best written material in the entire genre

orchid lark
#

See if i start thinking like that

#

Everything is just gonna be shit and misery

crystal forum
#

i'm not saying everything else is shit. it's just shit by comparison

orchid lark
#

But why waste energy for it

#

Like you have other things in life right

crystal forum
#

waste energy on what

orchid lark
#

Being a miser about it

crystal forum
#

i didn't say i wasn't ok with it. when i found tim cain's channel i changed my mind about a lot of that stuff

#

if the creator of the good lore is ok with the new stuff then why care

orchid lark
#

But if he didnt say anything

#

What then

crystal forum
#

as he says it's easier to tear something down than to make something new

crystal forum
orchid lark
#

You probably still are

crystal forum
#

what makes you say that

dusk patrol
#

Tbh as far as I’ve seen too the tv show seems to be fine with pre established lore

#

It’s just people don’t like what happened

#

But people extrapolate a lot too

#

Like the NCR ain’t destroyed it’s just smaller now

crystal forum
#

they could have done a really bad job with the material. as far as i'm concerned it's all okay

#

fallout lore is only good when bethesda isn't in charge of it so i can only see it improving from here

orchid lark
#

What if Tim Cain said Bethesda did a good job

crystal forum
#

it's pretty cute actually how tod howard invites tim cain to everything that involves fallout

dusk patrol
#

There’s plenty of fine lore Bethesda did and does

orchid lark
#

Impossible

dusk patrol
#

Idk where this “Bethesda bad” take always comes from

#

It’s not like NV is perfect either

#

I like it more but the Bethesda stuff is fine too

#

76 is the only really messy one I think

crystal forum
#

the thing i dont like with bethesda's take on the lore is it's repetitive

dusk patrol
#

And that was largely to do with what it wanted to be

orchid lark
#

Human History kinda is repetitive

dusk patrol
#

One could say it

#

Never changes

crystal forum
#

it's formulaic because bethesda is more interested in the product. that's how i see it

dusk patrol
#

Well making a good actual game is important

orchid lark
#

They kinda have to sell a game

#

So they can make money

#

To make more games

dusk patrol
#

Something Obsidian always had issues with

#

And no the time table wasn’t the only issue

#

Obsidian games always had these issues

#

Obsidian was also handed a complete engine and a shitton of assets premade to make NV with

orchid lark
#

Nearly all films and stories are formulaic

#

Its

#

As if

#

We have a multiple schools of literary thought

#

About it

#

A journey of sorts

dusk patrol
#

Some kind of one a hero could take even

orchid lark
#

Yes

#

Something with someone to help us midway

crystal forum
#

NV was still done on a very tight deadline

storm jungle
#

also like, Bethesda still sucks

dusk patrol
#

Fallout fans when people who enjoy fallout wanna see stuff they enjoy again

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storm jungle
dusk patrol
#

It’s not like Obsidian didn’t reuse all the factions again too

orchid lark
#

Shady Sans

storm jungle
#

AAA-

orchid lark
#

Urrr urr urrr r

crystal forum
#

my cat decided to sit on my facial area

dusk patrol
orchid lark
#

I think they did

storm jungle
#

They do

#

thats what makes them annoying

#

LOL

orchid lark
#

But they only replay legion line

#

Or indie vegas

crystal forum
#

new vegas lore always felt a lot more personal to me. i can sense the respect given to the factions in the setting and i think that's why people like it a lot

orchid lark
#

Only one of those and forever too

storm jungle
#

Yeah NV is actually good

#

its just a bit overrated from how good IT is

plush mason
dusk patrol
#

I think NV is the best story

#

But the others don’t suck

storm jungle
#

yeah

crystal forum
#

not to mention the DLC's are stellar too

storm jungle
#

the OG fallout games go from like "Okay/Good/Perfect"

orchid lark
#

Fallout 4s story sucked, and I loved 4 as much as NV

#

Lets not say 4 didnt suck

dusk patrol
#

Jfc if I have to hear the “wide as an ocean deep as a puddle” line from some fucking npc online again jfc

crystal forum
#

fallout 3's story was boring imo

orchid lark
#

3 was good, the engine just sucked lmao

crystal forum
#

i didn't care for any of the factions

dusk patrol
#

I didn’t mind Fallout 4’s story

orchid lark
#

It shouldve been more, but that engine can only do so much

dusk patrol
#

The dlcs were mostly better

#

Far Harbor was great

crystal forum
#

far harbor was good yeah

dusk patrol
#

Nuka World was a lot of fun

orchid lark
#

4 was the best Video Game of all

dusk patrol
#

That’s kinda my thing

#

Fuck me is NV a chore to play again

orchid lark
#

It felt good doing stuff in the Game

plush mason
#

fallout as a setting just doesnt work for me, a world with no microchips and yet they have full AI

crystal forum
#

i actually enjoy vanilla new vegas

dusk patrol
#

They do have chips

#

Also

orchid lark
#

If you break a potato chip

dusk patrol
#

That’s what breaks it for you?

orchid lark
#

Its a micro potato chip

crystal forum
#

i really hate all the combat mechanics in fallout 4 except power armor

#

power armor is done correctly in 4

orchid lark
#

Combat mechanics

plush mason
orchid lark
#

Its pull trigger shoot gun

dusk patrol
#

Well yeah it’s inherently a silly world l

orchid lark
#

Swing sword kill someone

dusk patrol
#

Like the whole merge of everything is somehow a secret government project and also a normal product

crystal forum
#

the gun customization is the thing i dislike the most in 4

dusk patrol
#

Nuka World was developing the most advanced power armor ever made

plush mason
#

the silliness of it takes away from the post-apoc setting for me

orchid lark
#

Gun Customization in new vegas sucked

crystal forum
#

there was always silliness in fallout

dusk patrol
#

Tbh I jsut

orchid lark
#

Nuka World scientists rivalled the best scientists lmao

#

Loved that detail

crystal forum
orchid lark
#

What if Disney had the top 10 percentage of scientists in the world

dusk patrol
#

Everything gameplay wise form NV sucks compared to 4 imo

crystal forum
#

i disagree

plush mason
#

ngl any gun customization in any fallout game is still way way better than starfield's

dusk patrol
#

Gunplay, the stupid degrading system

orchid lark
#

Yeah theres prostitution in new vegas

dusk patrol
#

I love NV but fuck me does it need to be modded to hell to be fun

crystal forum
#

i hate skill points in 4

orchid lark
#

Wheres my bostonian prostitutes

dusk patrol
#

Those are called boner killers

plush mason
#

like how the fuck did Bethesda manage to take so many steps back with that game?

orchid lark
#

Tight deadline

dusk patrol
#

“Ay yah wanna fawk or whaaa?”

spring cairn
#

Todd Howard

crystal forum
#

i feel like everybody forgot starfield already

spring cairn
#

I didn't

orchid lark
#

Starfield sucks

dusk patrol
#

I don’t think it had a clear vision tbh

orchid lark
#

I loved only flying my ship and being a delivery driver

#

And space combat pilot

spring cairn
#

Starfield's story and lore is so bad it physically pains me

plush mason
dusk patrol
#

As much as they talk about it being their dream game

orchid lark
#

Starfield is the shittiest bethesda game

dusk patrol
#

I don’t think they knew what they wanted to do with it

plush mason
crystal forum
plush mason
#

which is the part i hate

orchid lark
viral halo
#

Starfield really was awful

crystal forum
#

the funniest thing about starfield is the amount of people who thought its engine was impressive

orchid lark
#

As long as that game engine is used youre never gonna get the most out of the lore

radiant lance
#

It's impressive that it still works

viral halo
#

Starfield is one of the first times I’ve played a game and physically felt that it had no soul

plush mason
orchid lark
#

Most important dialogue in the game, and its just two or three people standing autistically still

viral halo
#

I genuinely had 0 fun playing Starfield at any point somehow

#

Damn you Todd!

#

It looked so good!

crystal forum
#

same thing for me but for fallout 4. no shade for people who enjoyed it i just really didn't

orchid lark
#

New Vegas and 3 at least had characters gesticulating

spring cairn
#

i don't even care about that tbh

orchid lark
#

Starfield didnt NEED characters to stand still like its a child first time acting in a play

radiant lance
spring cairn
#

the lore, as its written, is just godawful and uninteresting

dusk patrol
#

Tbh at the end of the day for me a game has to be fun

viral halo
#

And Starfield was not

dusk patrol
#

Which is why I hate walking simulators

crystal forum
#

i need immersion

orchid lark
#

Starfield was only fun cause space ship and customization and delivery jobs

viral halo
#

I thoroughly enjoyed fallout 2-76

#

Never got into fallout 1

crystal forum
#

that's interesting

orchid lark
#

All 74 fallout games

#

Damn

crystal forum
#

did you play tactics

viral halo
#

Morrowind-oblivion-Skyrim was also a great run

viral halo
#

One of my faves as a kid in 2003 on dads laptop

crystal forum
#

tactics is a weird one because it does not feel like fallout

viral halo
#

I used to play outside and pretend I was a brotherhood paladin fighting raiders

#

Good times

orchid lark
#

Fallout 4 more fallout than Fallout Tactics

viral halo
#

Then fallout 3 came out and I haven’t left my room since

crystal forum
#

i wanna try BoS one day

#

if i can obtain it

#

weird that you enjoyed 2 but not 1

spring cairn
#

the problem with TES is that i don't know anymore

#

when I enjoyed them I was way younger

#

so i can't say if they're good for sure

orchid lark
#

Its a you thing

crystal forum
#

yes i was in the chess club

spring cairn
#

well I really enjoyed star wars back then but now i can't stand it

crystal forum
#

remember when star wars was the thing your boomer dad would quote sometimes

orchid lark
#

No

crystal forum
#

fun convo

storm jungle
#

LMAO

outer wave
#

My dad was never into nerdy stuff

#

Isnt I should say

winter vessel
#

my dad has a bin full of 2001 Halo CE figures and vehicles back when the game was first released. Their boxes have still not been opened to this day.

crystal forum
#

that's cool af

plush mason
#

the brain rot has started to infect me, i read dad as daddy just now, its been great yall but i think im not long for this world

crystal forum
#

you think that's bad

#

i passed a car with a funny custom license plate

#

supposed to be funny

#

it said "braaap"

#

see, because that's the sound a car makes

#

THAT IS NOT WHAT I THOUGHT IT MEANT

plush mason
#

its over for us

rocky gale
crystal forum
#

sorry

vagrant narwhal
#

i just had an epiphany

#

Computer games in the 41st Millenium?

#

i imagine it's just "Xenoslayer" and it's a DOOM clone for Imperial Computers.

lunar harness
#

with this crazy mechanicum trick your own taxidermied skull can run doom!

grave sparrow
#

Battlemace 40,000,000

lunar harness
#

is this canon?

green loom
#

I like goombas

remote widget
#

Why was Sabbat Beati wearing small imperator armour? Instead of SOB/inquisitorial/SOS style armour

plush mason
lunar harness
winter vessel
storm jungle
#

My favorite part of this animation is not being able to tell what the fuck is going on from all that shaky cam.

winter vessel
#

That’s 80% of 40k. We don’t know what the fuck is going on.

outer wave
#

It's a heretic's lost footage movie

#

They were filming the next Blair Witch Project

#

Actually a found footage movie based in 40k could be cool

arctic talon
storm jungle
#

aughhh

crystal forum
#

i wish all space marines had heavy bolters

#

also i only now realized that intercessors have grenade launchers

#

i think that's pretty badass

#

i am severely handicapped by anxiety

crisp heath
#

I think watching a space marine go ham on a Star Wars CIS battle droid army would be really fun

#

One of them big tank lasers would probably kill them but CIS droids are idiots so it’d be fun watching a super fast thinking marine outsmart them every time

outer wave
#

I liked the droids, I wish there were more CIS styled droids in Star Wars

green loom
#

PC has been returned
We are so back

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orchid lark
#

Birthday boy

burnt maple
sharp pollen
#

i wonder, how long do ogryns live? longer than humans?

celest dome
#

I don't think they live noteworthilly longer or shorter than most human

still quartz
#

apparently they live half as long as the average human?

queen laurel
#

Considering that their biology is basically just large humans

still quartz
#

i could be wrong tho

queen laurel
#

it's safe to assume they have the same age range

#

Wager around like 100 years or so

plush mason
#

ngl i doubt the average human in the imperium lives to be over 80

tulip brook
#

I don't think it's mentioned they have a different lifespan

#

They live as long as the story demands to

plush mason
#

lack of safety regs and poor medical treatment for the common people means most will die fairly young

tulip brook
still quartz
#

yeah im ngl like

#

the average age of a human in the imperium is probably like 16

plush mason
queen laurel
#

I would say someone around 50s as pretty old

#

In the imperium considering that rejuvenation treatments also exist

plush mason
#

only for the rich/important

#

not every world has them as well

tulip brook
#

40 is a decent guess with constant wars and lack of treatment in early age

queen laurel
#

Yeah i'd say about 40 is decent

plush mason
#

ngl biologically only living to 40 is kinda natural

#

we are in our prime during our 20s

#

and it all goes south in the mid 30s

storm jungle
#

people with gigantism tend to die really young unfortunately due to bodily failures since the human body is not adapted to support that kind of physiology, Andre the Giant is one example

#

In the case of ogryns though they're a sub-species of human where gigantism has become embedded in their genetic code

#

so they very much would live about as long as a normal human i think

queen laurel
#

Yeah with proper needs required i do wager they live as long as a human

storm jungle
#

Yeee, because they are just humans at the end of teh day

#

people forget this a lot lol

queen laurel
plush mason
#

the gene seed being implanted so early on means it will fuck with all their hormonal development

#

so the older art of space marines being deformed freaks is way way more accurate

celest dome
green loom
#

Update good

#

I like the updated hab dreyko

queen laurel
green loom
#

Probably

queen laurel
#

it's quite expensive

green loom
#

I almost have the chest piece I wanted

spring cairn
#

50k is like

#

one auric damnation match

queen laurel
#

i'm saying in the eyes of normal casual player

crisp heath
#

When will they come out with warhammer 41k?

arctic talon
crisp heath
#

Ok ok

#

But

#

When will James and his workshop come out with space marine 2 then?

green loom
#

Isn't it September this year

#

Though in fairness it's not James' workshop

dusk patrol
#

If it doesn’t get delayed again

#

It’s had a troubled development

storm jungle
#

Im sure it will be fine

dusk patrol
crystal forum
#

am i wrong for wanting a darktide with only the elite of the imperium

#

like space marines and shit

plush mason
dusk patrol
plush mason
#

yeah you need WWZ levels of horde sizes to make that work

#

at least

storm jungle
#

just keep most enemies as humans, sprinkle in some more paranormal shit

#

make elites CSM

arctic talon
#

Orks

storm jungle
#

and thats kind of it

arctic talon
#

Also work tbh

dusk patrol
#

You need more mass

storm jungle
#

Mass of what

#

deez nu-

dusk patrol
#

Mass of your mum

storm jungle
#

BRUH

dusk patrol
#

Got em

storm jungle
#

Jokes aside though yeah it really wouldnt be that different

#

you'd basically be playing ogryns + veteran

#

knowing if FS made this it'd probably be Deathwatch for banter reasons

dusk patrol
#

One way you could do it

#

Is if you made it third person

#

And made the enemy tyranids.

storm jungle
#

Hold on...

dusk patrol
#

Maybe with Tsons making an appearence.

storm jungle
#

though yeah SM i feel like fit arcadey shit like that more

#

as much as id like a SM tidegame its kinda whatever

arctic talon
#

AoS tide

storm jungle
#

thats prob gonna happen at some point if Vermintide 3 ever happens lol

#

AoS deffo needs a good videogame

arctic talon
#

Everyone but Baradin has an easy way back

storm jungle
#

Alas

arctic talon
#

well "easy"

storm jungle
#

knowing FS they might try a new cast admittedly

dusk patrol
#

I unrionically want them to come up with some bullshit reason the UB5 get teleported to AoS

storm jungle
#

Also this

#

like

#

its not that out of the question

#

old WHF characters appear in AOS all the time because "plot"

arctic talon
dusk patrol
#

Or at least Bardin

storm jungle
#

Bardin getting the Gotrek treatment

#

aka all the PTSD because all his friends are dead

dusk patrol
#

You could make Kruber a Stormcast

#

Saltz ends up in cities.

storm jungle
#

Bruh i dont know if i could handle half-senile Kruber

#

Bardin constantly reminding him of the Old World and hes just

#

"I dont even know who you are"

arctic talon
#

which flavor of Elf

#

lol

storm jungle
#

LOL

#

I mean Sylvaneth obviously

arctic talon
#

there's many options

#

Facist elves, wood elves, water elves, elves

#

sorry light elves not facist elves

storm jungle
#

you could make the class excuse to branch out with "Kerillian's soul got rescued when Slaanesh got disemboweled and she went to [faction here]"

storm jungle
dusk patrol
#

I do agreed they'll probably want a new cast as much as I'd like if they didn't.

#

Kinda hope its Greentide.

storm jungle
#

Yeah we'll see

#

the fate of Fatshark games is making awesome titles then management fucking it up as it gets fixed over the course of 2-3 years lol

#

im just glad it has a good piece of shit but adamant audience like For Honor and whatnot that always sticks with the game like a toxic relationship

dusk patrol
#

Idk if I even ever liked playing For Honor but it looks so cool.

#

Has such a neat idea.

arctic talon
#

It’s a fucked up fighting game

#

On the scale of fucked up its like

#

Mid tier though

storm jungle
#

"has such a neat idea"

#

exactly why it has lasted 8 FUCKING YEARS SOMEHOW

dusk patrol
#

Basically lol

storm jungle
#

its deffo not in its prime but like the fact that its still going is amazing lol

arctic talon
#

It’s the only game like it

#

In existance

#

It has never faced serious competition

plush mason
dusk patrol
#

I'll say, Ubisoft at least used to do extremely unique MPs in their games.

#

Assassins Creed was really cool too.

storm jungle
#

Yeah mid 2000's ubisoft was something

#

now its uh 💀

arctic talon
#

I don’t think for honor has any touch of deaths anymore lol

dusk patrol
#

R6 doesn't really have competition for what it does either.

arctic talon
#

It def used to

#

But they removed them all

#

Because Ubisoft is lame

storm jungle
#

$$$

dusk patrol
#

Yeah

#

The lore is just

#

ugh

storm jungle
#

god

#

its like if 40k went

dusk patrol
#

Just make them shoot terrorists jfc.

storm jungle
#

"Hey guys we killed all the chaos marines off-screen"

arctic talon
#

Bloodbowl

storm jungle
#

no

#

bloodbowl is good

arctic talon
#

Lol

storm jungle
#

R6 uhhhh

#

💀

dusk patrol
#

"We now do playfights in arenas"

#

WAT

storm jungle
#

GOD

#

"WE MUST HONOR OUR CHAPTER BROTHERS"

#

Takes part in kids olympic games

plush mason
#

my squad was quite the mix lol, 2 ultramarine tacticals a space wolf lone wolf and a blood angel devastator and a sanguinary priest

arctic talon
storm jungle
#

I love how

dusk patrol
#

Its lore

storm jungle
#

the character who orchestrated that

#

got fucking massacred in his office

#

its like they knew

#

LMAO

dusk patrol
storm jungle
#

yeah like ill admit this cinematic is cool?

#

but like

#

id remove the arena aspect like what the fuck

dusk patrol
#

Very high effort and well done but jfc

storm jungle
#

just make it a training exercise

dusk patrol
#

Yeah

storm jungle
#

it literally would work

dusk patrol
#

How does it even work? They don't have that big a team.

storm jungle
#

Honestly beats me, its so fucking dumb

#

all that for a generic Good Guys vs Mercs plot

#

which also went nowhere

#

lmao

dusk patrol
#

Mfw

storm jungle
#

Ah yes

arctic talon
#

Are there terrorists again

storm jungle
#

the only good cinematic with ACTUAL PLOT

storm jungle
#

just some guy named Deimos

dusk patrol
arctic talon
dusk patrol
#

But yeah

storm jungle
#

yeah him

#

LDFKSKDSDSLDS

#

GOD KILL ME

arctic talon
storm jungle
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Cannot believe they made this Rainbow Six's nemesis

arctic talon
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No fuckin way

storm jungle
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Deimos is gonna run out gas and they'll save the world

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oh wait my bad wrong guy

dusk patrol
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Idk whats so hard about just "they shoot terrorists in the face"

storm jungle
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^

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also the White Mask worked for what it was

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it was literally just PG13 Patriots

dusk patrol
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Like jfc theres five billion Tom Clancy novels with every single type of bad guy you can think of

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And all the wackiest plots

storm jungle
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also like, i understand terrorists get boring but you can make your opposition interesting by giving them some original goals lmao

arctic talon
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Okay but shooting literal terrorists is fun

storm jungle
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Oh yeah 100%

dusk patrol
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Or make the EVIL elite dudes

storm jungle
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honestly you know its bad

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when the terrorist in Counter Strike factions are cooler than what you got in R6 now

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lol

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the Masks literally get an entire mission to themselves when the game launched

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where they launch a chemical attack on a fucking university campus

arctic talon
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Oh yeah

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that one

storm jungle
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and that goes nowhere, my bad lol

arctic talon
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I remember playing it

storm jungle
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honestly legit still horrifying

dusk patrol
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I want Angela Basset doing her almost crying voice back

storm jungle
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same

arctic talon
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mmmmmmm

dusk patrol
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Or uh the "WHAT OTHA ERRANDS DO YOU HAVE US
RUNNIN FOR THE DA?!" lady

storm jungle
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its the fact that its done so seriously that hits it i think

dusk patrol
arctic talon
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its pretty intense

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The mission feels claustrophobic as all hell as well

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since you can't see shit

storm jungle
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Yep

dusk patrol
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Ok but hear me out Elite

storm jungle
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you are on the terrorist's homefield

dusk patrol
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What if, space zombies.

storm jungle
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No no no

arctic talon
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oh yeah they did that didn't they

storm jungle
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you guys are thinking small