#40k-lore-chat

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orchid lark
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Unironically a fucking spoiler for the third book in the salamander trilogy

queen laurel
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So the anvil was just a lucky placement

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somehow

orchid lark
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It wasnt in the room

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The main character literally took a double take and wondered where the fuck it came feom

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Vulkan Lives

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Vulkan is just a prankster

queen laurel
orchid lark
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Truly he is the strongest primarch

rocky gale
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You gotta love Reddit, truly the best of the Warhammer community

The Post: "Question for women in the hobby, why do you think it's still so male dominated"

The Comment Section: 95% men who believed they were the correct person to answer this question.

plush mason
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thats just the internet in general

dusk patrol
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We do see it in their books.

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Its just....you have to read their books.....

rocky gale
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Also probably the most times I've seen "Girls" and "Females" used in my life

dusk patrol
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I actually like a lot of the ideas Kyme has in the series in a general sense.

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But he just sucks as a writer.

storm jungle
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Salamanders books aint it

dusk patrol
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Well yeah but no one reads anything on the internet.

storm jungle
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They mostly do

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you're just a grinch smh

dusk patrol
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I would actually be shocked if over 90% of the online community have read more than like two or three books.

rocky gale
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Yall can read?

storm jungle
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Well that goes without saying KEK

dusk patrol
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Including magazines, campaign books, whatever.

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Any actual direct source, any way you can read it.

storm jungle
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Anyway I just dont consider Kyme's salamander books as anything. I read them so long ago and fuck me it was difficult.

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I legit wish he got booted but chief-editor so no dice

dusk patrol
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tbh he's probably a good editor, he just sucks at writing.

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And can't edit himself.

storm jungle
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to quote what he told Abnett

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"Dont worry about wordcount just write"

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good job editor, you deserve a raise

storm jungle
dusk patrol
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I don't actually think anyone has read them and enjoyed them.

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They're actually just painful, and not in a bad way that you can even enjoy

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Its just bland.

storm jungle
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I asked like 6 Salamander fans in the last couple of years

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NOBODY likes them

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even the most shitty marine books have some fans

dusk patrol
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Whenever I read a kyme book or story, you can tell exactly how a characters arc is gonna go from their intro.

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There's nothing surprising, its all hamfisted, exact chapter sterotypes.

rocky gale
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and those 2 comments would still say more of worth than all the others combined

dusk patrol
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Hilariously he actually does break the mould with his sallie books.

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And has Sallies be kinda interesting and their culture be good and bad and lots of stuff which is never brought up by the community.

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Like how they have castes they're super racist against.

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But the book sucks so it also doesn't matter.

storm jungle
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Yeah that was my ultimate point

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which again, also sucks

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Sallies are deffo an interesting Chapter but their labelled "good guy"ism by the community is just so tiring.

tough haven
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It’s just “slightly less immoral in terms of astartes”

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I find they’re interesting mildly, I don’t usually care much for SM

tough haven
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The main ones I have any interest in is exorcists, space wolves (certain characters and aspects) and salamanders

tough haven
river walrus
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Ogryn bestest of us yes?

tough haven
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I can open your eyes to it if you’d like lol, the more the merrier

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This too, but that’s also kinda just imperium stans in general because they don’t understand what satire means lol

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But Kriegers are far more likely

rocky gale
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Yea like there's nothing wrong with liking Krieg, but when your entire personality seems to revolve around Krieg it's a pretty big red flag.

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It's like history bros, there's nothing wrong with liking/studying History but you can pretty much always tell when someone "Likes History" a bit too much.

queen laurel
storm jungle
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the server they have implodes on itself every day because actual fascists get mad at anyone calling the game satire and that "dont think so hard about it, its just a game"

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okay then why did the devs bother this much about the authoritarian comedy of it then

tough haven
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I love how any time a piece of media makes a horrible fascist nightmare institution to showcase how ridiculous and awful it is people look at it and go “wow, this is so cool”

rocky gale
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Because Fascists don't see the downside of fascism as downsides

tough haven
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It’s even funnier in helldivers because it’s so obviously satire with how lazily the setting tries to hide its flaws, and how it actively pokes fun at them

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That’s why I love it

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And don’t get me wrong, when I look at 40ks setting or helldivers I do think “wow this is cool” but for other reasons

rocky gale
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and any horrific elements they do see will be attributed to "That's how the world is" rather than attributing it to the actual cause which is Fascism.

storm jungle
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it seems appealing from the outside, but they never want to be on the inside or admit ot it

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"Oh ı would be a badass guardsman"

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no you would be crying in a ditch shitting your pants at fighting monster-aliens or crazy human cultists like any of us

tough haven
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Like I love the massively scaled ridiculous shit and sheer enormity of the setting, and how 40K enables cool but ultimately ridiculous or dumb shit just for the sake of being cool but I’m not gonna pretend the morals behind it aren’t awful

storm jungle
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Yeah pretty much

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Everyone is evil, just have fun

tough haven
storm jungle
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YEP

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enjoy your mass grave

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im sure you will be remembered

tough haven
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This ^

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The gameplay is super cool

celest dome
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Every Fascist/Imperialist... think they would be at the top, most of them are wrong

tough haven
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I love the vibes, you just gotta remember it’s not to be put on a Pedestal

storm jungle
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I think the thing i hate the most is because you make statements like this they assume you are just anti-fun and dont want them to enjoy themselves

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which is like such a wrong and weak defense

plush mason
# rocky gale

literally what constitutes a "good guy" in 40k lol

queen laurel
tough haven
# tough haven

The fact that this is true makes me wholeheartedly believe imperial propaganda would work very easily on most “free thinking” imperial fans

plush mason
shadow plover
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"Oh you acknowledge that the game is satirical in nature and makes fun of a bad thing? So you must hate fun??"

storm jungle
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^

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HOLY SHIT I hate these people that are like that

shadow plover
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they're so braindead it's even hard to comprehend

storm jungle
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Alas yeah its why i just dont bother UNLESS someone like that shows up here.

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This is still an Imperium centric server but when you go full on redditor fascist-racist yeah you are out lol

plush mason
tough haven
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Yeah don’t willfully engage with that unless it’s necessary, you likely won’t change anyone’s mind and will just be drained, but we have to try and speak out against it lol

tough haven
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Well not makes, but enhances

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It’s funny

plush mason
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HD2 is so on the nose with it and it just makes it so much better

shadow plover
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quite so, yet there are just too many people incapable of understanding that

queen laurel
plush mason
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"managed democracy gives the people the ultimate form of freedom, freedom from the burden of choice"

tough haven
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So I’ll spare you lol

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Y’all don’t need to be reminded

plush mason
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all citizens of super earth are equal, so we invited a ranking system to show who is more equal than the rest

storm jungle
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"Wow that sounds great!"

plush mason
tough haven
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But I’ve deadass heard people say shit like this

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Not even just related to helldivers, just Irl

plush mason
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and its full on the exact opposite of what democracy is as a system so it always makes me laugh

tough haven
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It’s so slap in the face obvious too

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I love the lines where they chastise their foes, then instantly follow up with a hypocritical line of how super earth does the same thing

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Anyways back to 40K, I find it funny that servitors are prevented from being automated with human hardware to prevent them from becoming corrupted or whatever the excuse is now, but they are as susceptible if not more so to turning against their masters

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Just sentient enough to register the torture in rare moments of lucidity, though I imagine that’s the real point of keeping them semi human

storm jungle
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Pretty much a mix of factors yeah but its very mcuh generally just for the "No AI" rule.

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Its the same with how some servo-skulls can have personalities or literally just be flying roombas

tough haven
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Cause to me a mechanical worker designed to simply follow a set of preprogrammed tasks with no capacity for adaptation and learning isn’t an intelligence of any sort, simply a machine, no more intelligent than a conveyor belt

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That brings me to my next question, xenos constructs like canopteks, ironkin and Ray drones, how often is it that they are corrupted by either warp/chaos interference, scrap code or otherwise go rogue?

hallow plover
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When did Skitarii went from combat servitors to admech troopers? Or is it just inaccurate ise of the term? I'm reading Dark Apostle and they are depicted as combat servitors in there.

tough haven
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Can be anywhere in between

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It’s a spectrum of how much they are augmented and allowed free will

storm jungle
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What he said yeah back in the day Skitarii were about as basic as augmented guardsman

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they only got what they are now after the very first mechanicus codex.

rocky gale
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Pretty sure Skitarii can have as much range as the different Guard regiments do, from indoctrinated augmented humans, to mindless drones controlled by their commander via dataslate.

celest dome
storm jungle
shadow plover
rose thorn
green loom
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"Wow this sounds good!" because it's supposed to sound good numb nuts!

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That's what rhetoric is

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You dress shit up or flat out lie

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I also love the geniuses who watch the reveal trailer and go "wow super earth is so prosperous and clean!"

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Like dude it's literally a propaganda reel

tough haven
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As a nurse I actually did have to do media literacy and statistical literacy classes and I don’t understand why that’s not something everyone is supposed to learn

rose thorn
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criying trying to write a storm cast eternal stormhost and I’m stuck on a few ideas I like

Criminals who died fighting protecting a city and now are enforcers of Sigmar’s word and law

People who died dreaming about being a hero and now live those dreams in reality

Treasure hunters who died making sure an artifact doesn’t reach the wrong hands and now protect and steal away powerful treasures

storm jungle
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The middle one is probably the most warhammer idea lol

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Oh wait i thought it was like a dementia angle WHOOPS

rocky gale
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My Stormhost were a holy Myrmidian order who were martyred defending a settler train and were later reforged to protect the city the settlers founded.

rose thorn
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Make them all old ppl

storm jungle
rose thorn
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criying like they are in ther prime

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Mentally

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I’m gonna go with the first idea

thorn zenith
storm jungle
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Absolutely always the case yep.

green loom
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These people break down and don't shut up when someone vaguely disagrees with them

outer wave
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Or someone that's 70 Ibs underweight

queen laurel
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You reincarnate into 40k it's going to be a roll of the dice that is absolutely stacked against you

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Like either you get mildly lucky or not at all

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Even on the highest of greatest of positions of luxury you would still have problems

gray umbra
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I would be a katana master like eisenhorn

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Even with his fucked up prosthetics

tough haven
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If I was an Ork, id be happy

rocky gale
tough haven
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It’s not great, but at the very least you get to enjoy yourself lol

twilit musk
celest dome
rose sail
storm jungle
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that fucking skyler gif christ lmao

rocky gale
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Literally me

orchid lark
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She kinda banging tho

storm jungle
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ayo mr WHITE

orchid lark
twilit musk
twilit musk
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it would never happen but I’d love to see skull takers

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They’re apart of that raggedy ass band of guardsman like chem dogs and stuff when they deploy

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but they’re white dudes in Native American war gear so

arctic talon
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Never say never

sacred ginkgo
arctic talon
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Funny grail

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pretty sure they say the same thing in Royal as well

sacred ginkgo
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I actually might have been able to kill it if it’s healing staled for a round

arctic talon
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I one shot it in NG+ but it has a forced gate

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where it doesn't let you kill it lol

sacred ginkgo
sacred ginkgo
arctic talon
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myriad truths™️

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most balanced thing in Persona/SMT history tbh

sacred ginkgo
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If only dropping actual myriad truths on real idiots was just as effective

arctic talon
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something something living a lie is less painful then the truth

rose thorn
arctic talon
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Tbf they’re cursed to be insane

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Even if they wanted to break the delusion it’s almost impossible

bold wren
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Maybe I will be fine now

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To discuss lore

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Death Korps of Krieg just die over and over again and annoy their enemies more then kill them.

crisp heath
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I don’t think any faction gets annoyed by killing

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They all seem to REALLY like it, except possibly Eldar (baring an exception of Eldar lol)

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I know they feel emotions a lot stronger then humans do so perhaps the stress of battle would wear them down faster if the enemy just WONT STAY DOWN

thorn zenith
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Nah kriegs def annoy enemies because they barely put up a fight, just fall like twigs over and overKEKW_ogryn

dusk patrol
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I mean in lore they’re a very accomplished force, Vraks was just a shit show which kept getting worse

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They don’t care about casualties much but they’re not ineffective, they’re very well equip and often very successful.

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We just only see the hardest fights they have

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Same as any other major regiment

queen laurel
dusk patrol
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They aren’t making books on that time Krieg landed and just shelled the enemy and pushed in and won.

orchid lark
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Makes your forget that krieg is primarily an armoured infantry and artillery force

queen laurel
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yep

orchid lark
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Krieg throws bodies durr hurr

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Theyre not penal legions you ingrate

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There is very little mass horde imperial guard regiments

thorn zenith
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memehammer brainrot portrays them as suicidal shovelgods, saw it too much and decided to drink the contrarian juice

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now i will say theyre egotistical imcompetent buffoons

celest dome
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I consider them not noteworthy other than from their high number of troops.
Like Vahalan

acoustic rock
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This channel sure walks in a tight circle

storm jungle
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they are so ill informed about anything it actually becomes brainrot inducing

green loom
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We will kill you with hammers

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Warhammers

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Made for war

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To hammer

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Really gotta hammer the point of war home

orchid lark
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I love rereading the black company series

vagrant narwhal
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Here's a weird question

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Does the imperial guard have their own version of the Helldiver C-01 form

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Or do they just go at it between campaigns

celest dome
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Do you have an example of what that is ?

vagrant narwhal
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Considering how many untold billions are in the regiments, I imagine they don't just leave procreation to the hive city folk

celest dome
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What is the C-01 ?

vagrant narwhal
celest dome
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Oh, well Guardsmen often get married inside their regiment, usually officiated by Commissars

vagrant narwhal
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Oh that's actually pretty neat

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You'd figured it'd probably be whatever proper zealots within the regiments doing the officiating

celest dome
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Most Zealot aren't officers and also aren't ordained, Commissar usually are

vagrant narwhal
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Could you imagine the ego trip of a zealot getting ordained

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Nobody would hear the end of it

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The man or woman could get KIA and the servo-skull made from their head would just keep ranting about it

arctic talon
orchid lark
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Some Regiments, Cadians especially, do allow cadians to have sex with people on worlds they happen upon

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but its also rare for their kids to be acknowledged as cadian and subsequently join as whiteshields

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although with no cadia, i guess this is more common now?

arctic talon
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Yeah that

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Not really tbh

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Cadian colony worlds still exist

orchid lark
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Vostroyans are required to have a firstborn.

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true true

arctic talon
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The culture hasn’t died out

orchid lark
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Vostroya has a fixed amount of regiments, they dont make new ones unlike other planets, and get reinforced as a result

storm jungle
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Cadians are like incredibly racist lmao

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the Minka Lesk and that one sharpshooter novel really go into it

orchid lark
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no purple eyes? fuck off

storm jungle
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not even that

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"You arent from Cadia? Get the fuck outta here"

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literal discrimination so its very funny

orchid lark
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Red Scorpions and Cadians, Bigots unite

arctic talon
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The servitor isn’t made out a cadian heretic smh

queen laurel
orchid lark
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tallarn has clan issues

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commissars nightmare dealing with their politics

arctic talon
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Sane Commissars trying to navigate a minefield that is internal regiment politics

orchid lark
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cadian nobility must be the most bigotted place ever

rocky gale
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Pretty sure Cadian Nobility are all trained from birth to be Officers

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But if anyone seems promising as a Whiteshield, they'll also be transferred and begin training as an officer.

So I imagine they probably end up with a couple of situations like Sharpe.

arctic talon
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Cut throat in darktide is so archetypical it’s great

rocky gale
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I was browsing for Sharpe gifs and found this treasure

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Enjoy Sharpe attacking some nuns with a chicken

dusk patrol
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Least unhinged sharpe moment

vagrant narwhal
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I just realized, you don't ever really see Non-chaos traitor guards

dusk patrol
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You do but it’s not as common

rocky gale
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There's the Severan Dominate

dusk patrol
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There’s a faction in the Only War rpg

rocky gale
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But they're not that common

dusk patrol
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Yeah them

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Kinda hard to be a traitor without chaos support or without falling

rocky gale
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But ye the Dominate is a big (But isolated) secessionist movement that hasn't so far fallen to Chaos

dusk patrol
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They’re probably gone by now

rocky gale
vagrant narwhal
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Apparently they're still holding strong in a 1v1v1

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Severan, Imperium and Orks

dusk patrol
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They war wasn’t going good for them last update which was like a hundred+ years ago

vagrant narwhal
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Oh shit

dusk patrol
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And that’s ignoring the rift

rocky gale
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Forget the Krieg book, we need a real chad to come along and write a book about the Severan Dominate

vagrant narwhal
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Also, I'm shocked that Big E hasn't become the 5th chaos God yet, I know he got close during the Horus Heresy

spring cairn
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be careful what you wish for

vagrant narwhal
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The Chaos God of worship, Zealotry and religion

rocky gale
dusk patrol
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Yeah thats kinda the issue

rocky gale
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Naaaaaaa

dusk patrol
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Maybe, but I doubt we ever get an update

spring cairn
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sadly we just don't know how the rift affected hem at all

queen laurel
vagrant narwhal
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Question is, which is worse to fight

dusk patrol
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They probably got destroyed before the rift anyways

rocky gale
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Fear not, I'll become a BL author and solely write about the Severan Dominate

dusk patrol
queen laurel
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Lately the eldar been getting slammed

rocky gale
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Pretty sure the Severan Dominate are supposed to have a deal with the Drukhari so perhaps

spring cairn
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deldars can eat shit, i want the good eldars to get the good stuff

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these goobers deserve to be saturday morning villains

rocky gale
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Yea, the Duke has an ongoing deal with a Drukhari Kabal known as the Children of Thorns

rocky gale
green loom
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I got Helldivers 2

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My laptop can run it at exactly PowerPoint speeds

unborn phoenix
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I just learned most legions have like five chapters but ultramarines have fucking 23

arctic talon
unborn phoenix
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I know like 20% of most modern marines are from ultramar

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I learned ultramarines were the largest legion but I didn't think they had so much wiggle room of forces

vagrant narwhal
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Next topic

burnt maple
vagrant narwhal
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Is corpse starch more akin to spam or canned bread

burnt maple
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Emergency trash food you don't see unless absolutely necessary.

arctic talon
burnt maple
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You wish it resembled either you mentioned.

vagrant narwhal
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So devil spread

unborn phoenix
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Probably more canned tuna

arctic talon
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Yeah pretty much

unborn phoenix
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Probably closer to vegimite

burnt maple
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XD

arctic talon
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Best eaten on bread

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Or

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More starch

unborn phoenix
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Or not eaten lol

vagrant narwhal
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Deviled guard

queen laurel
vagrant narwhal
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Never forget that the most delicious thing in 40K Canon is fatberg grease

arctic talon
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Crunchy and adds some texture

vagrant narwhal
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(Real 40K lore btw

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I wonder if any regiments have made combat axe soup

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The Valhallan Ice Warriors probably have

rocky gale
orchid lark
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at its height there were 250k ultramarines in the legion

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BA had like 120k

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after isstvaan Raven Guard went from 80k to like 6k

unborn phoenix
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We're their number reduced to only the hundreds afterwards ?

rocky gale
dusk patrol
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Intentionally they keep the actual chapters known pretty low

orchid lark
dusk patrol
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Outside of like Space Wolves and Sallies we aren’t gonna know most successors

unborn phoenix
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Salamanders raven guard and iron hands basically reduced to nothing

dusk patrol
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Raven Guard and IH still have a lot

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Not necessarily second founding but it’s been 10,000 years

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Ultramarines eclipse everyone of course

orchid lark
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They escaped too late

dusk patrol
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Hey had less than 1000 marines post Istvaan V

orchid lark
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Corax managed to rally his troops and escape on 3 battle barges

storm jungle
orchid lark
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I remember the book deliverance lost

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They still had thousands of raven guard

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The number swelled up quick because Corax went to terra to get tech from the emperor

dusk patrol
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They had like 4k

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All the shattered legions made a lot of Inductii

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But all legions did that

orchid lark
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Which then got sabotaged by alpha legion

storm jungle
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I appreciate the inductii

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"Hey guys we need more stormtrooper marines to die constantly"

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"lets just have them mass produce marines"

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its so goofy i love it

dusk patrol
orchid lark
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I am literally not arguing against your points

rocky gale
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Huh I've never actually heard of Inductii before

storm jungle
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thats all they are

rocky gale
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Learn something new everyday

arctic talon
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Inductii are great

storm jungle
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just more boring fodder marines

orchid lark
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I am pointing out info from Deliverance Lost

arctic talon
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They add some more fluff

storm jungle
arctic talon
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I like them

storm jungle
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i think they are the uh

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perfect showcase of what 30k is

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just nameless slop marines fighting each other

orchid lark
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Muh mutant sons says corax

storm jungle
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you aint no raven

unborn phoenix
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Id love Corax to return

orchid lark
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Evermore or whatever

storm jungle
orchid lark
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Corax if he was cool, he wouldve said Paramore and rocked into the eye of terror

dusk patrol
dusk patrol
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But yeah there’s a lot of fun Inductii stories they’ve been doing more and more.

green loom
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Better image

dusk patrol
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Very sink or swim

green loom
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Waiting for Raphaela to be a female marine whatthefuck_heresy

dusk patrol
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Siege and later heresy books have a lot of moments where a 200+ year old veteran who fought from reunification to the siege realizes he’s basically leading a bunch of 18 year olds whose first deployment is the fucking siege of Terra

burnt maple
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Oof, now that is heavy.

dusk patrol
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Quite the crucible to be tested on

orchid lark
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Just like helldivers

burnt maple
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Malevelon Creek Helldive solo no stratagems.

burnt maple
# green loom

Lmao, can these actually be from that competition gw did a while ago?

"Write a short successor chapter story"

green loom
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Probably

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These shorts are usually submissions iirc

orchid lark
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You’re submissive

dusk patrol
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Also Sigismund has the moment where he’s annoyed when he’s running around killing traitor leaders and captains and stuff that he doesn’t know any of them

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They’re all the JV team of the replacement team

rocky gale
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My friend talked about submitting a Lamenters story for that competition.

dusk patrol
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They do a good job setting it up too cause it follows this one Sons of Horus captain whose killing a bunch of dudes and then halfway through the book he finally runs into Sigismund who just one shots him without stopping and the last thing he hears is that Sigismund has no idea who he is.

queen laurel
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Yo @storm jungle what tier is this author

Good

Mid

Or Nick

dusk patrol
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It’s basically the “We’re losing recipes!” Meme

dusk patrol
rocky gale
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Impressive

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Multi-talented

queen laurel
unborn phoenix
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College softball is entertaining

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Women's college basketball is too, lot of talent and exciting

twilit musk
storm jungle
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Im gonna give this a read once I finish my re-read of Priests of Maaaaaaars

rocky gale
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Apparently she was a Historian before becoming a BL writer, sounds pretty cool.

burnt maple
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Noice.

dusk patrol
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Deathworlder?

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I hardly knew her!

storm jungle
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💀

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also man what a shit title

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also not to be confused with another ancient book titled Deathworld

hallow saddle
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dont hear anything about 40k red talons and they're an awesome iron hands successor

green loom
#

Reding my talon

rocky gale
#

Wait a second

rocky gale
# green loom

Lamenters, Executioners and Howling Griffons are all chapters involved in the Badab war

#

Badab war series confirmed loregryn

viral halo
#

Are any of the deathwatch books good

twilit musk
#

i recommend them all

#

there’s definitely worse out there

storm jungle
#

Yeah they arent bad

#

the first one kinda left a bad taste in my mouth because of its genestealer plot but thats about it

viral halo
#

Thanks folks

twilit musk
#

tbf genestealers usually are a mixed plot since they all use the same formula for some reason

#

if we weren’t such nerds the mystery would work but we can easily see it coming

#

“sir our enemy is unknown”

#

its genestealers

rocky gale
#

We should work at Levi's with how skilled we are at spotting jean stealers

storm jungle
#

this book came out before the big GSC reboot

#

so their method of ||reproduction/spreading was literal forced sexual assault||

#

||The plot is very fucked up which involves an Inquisitor sending in a female operative under the ruse that shes infiltrating the cult only for her to get captured and forcefully impregnated with a genestealer, the Deathwatch learn of this and are disgusted but are still tasked with securing her and bringing her back to study the creature inside her||

twilit musk
#

||idk why maybe trauma but i completely buried the parts where they uncover the sex grounds in the sewers||

#

tw for fetish shit along with dilara’s spoiler text

green loom
twilit musk
#

that’s one thing but remember when they added the addition to that with the insane unneeded part about ||“we gotta kill the women even if they weren’t touched yet just to be sure”||

storm jungle
#

LMFAO

#

yeah this novel was wild

#

its by no means bad but its a good showcase of why most 40k novels avoid sexual topics

twilit musk
#

women stressed out in the 41st millennium

#

tbf tho, in the twin-universes it’s pretty fair game for both biologies 💀💀

#

keep a cyanide pill on you at all times no matter what imo

storm jungle
#

LEGIT 💀

twilit musk
#

buh bye

storm jungle
#

me tbh

twilit musk
#

rather bare knuckle a bloodthirster

#

also in case anyone is taken aback by the old genestealers stuff just avoid the drukhari shit it’s exactly what you’re imagining

#

just a legit heads up to dont even go looking

green loom
green loom
#

The ghost of stonewall Jackson eating my soul also works

rocky gale
#

POV: The Drukhari spotted you trying to shoot yourself

#

(Unfortunately it's a non-lethal trident)

green loom
#

Not picky as long as I'm in the ground

twilit musk
#

the generic warhammer melee of entirely ranged units for some reason

#

its my favorite part of the battles

#

its when you know the writer is spinning the wheel and the entire cast is just up in the air whether or not they'll make it out of that

#

fuck the melees are bad.

rose thorn
twilit musk
#

you see the shit barreling down the corridor giggling with 13 mouths??

#

hand me the god damn spear

rose thorn
#

Why does a prison shank have the same melee range as a lance

twilit musk
#

on youre talking WARHAMMER warhammer

rocky gale
#

Tabletop rules yee

rose thorn
#

Yeee

#

It’s pretty funny I know balance wise like

#

It would be pretty nutty

#

But I am addicted to AOS melee range now

twilit musk
#

my president needed me to get to iraq as soon as possible so i dont know math they just passed me through 💀

#

id have to have an abacus for everything

rocky gale
#

I think the 40k rule guys are too afraid of melee dominating again so they're probably scared to introduce melee range

twilit musk
#

when youre leveling your halberd at a tyranid with a sword for a head

rose thorn
twilit musk
#

you ever seen a cargo ship hit a pier

#

and just unphased

#

moving through the structure

#

thats how i imagine custodies melee

#

just pressed through your head with a spoon

#

like heavy machinary

#

chem dog melee

rocky gale
viral halo
#

That screams 2003

#

What’s the book name PES_CringeGrin

storm jungle
#

Deathwatch™️

#

KEK

burnt maple
twilit musk
#

yeah but the name Imperial System goes hard

#

there are lots of times ill be measuring shit and realize this shits all over the place lmao

rocky gale
#

They measure in Inches like good proper Brits

burnt maple
#

Wanna pick a fight?! It is british system. Or more commonly known as 'how we measured tilt of our teeth from one another' system.

twilit musk
#

usa lore morocco to this day gets unbelievable and unconditional aid/support because when we signed the declaration they were the first country to say “let ‘em cook!” and they instantly but politely declined to use the imperial system when it was established lmao

#

“i like you but that’s the stupidest shit ive ever heard of” 🇲🇦

burnt maple
#

BASED.

burnt maple
#

Who tf would pick it over the blessed by laws of logic and simplicity meteic system?

burnt maple
# rocky gale I'm Irish, I don't care.

I'm Polish, I care not who is who. I want to trashtalk nations, and in spirit of my hatred for everything, especially my kin, I want to hear trashtalks on Poles.

For now nothing beats the evolution of polish remover.

#

AANYWAY:

#

How long does the warp travel last for the traveling spacecraft? Hours? Days? More?

I know they can appear centuries after thry initiated the jump, but that does not explain how long is it for them.

green loom
#

Random

arctic talon
#

💀

rose thorn
rocky gale
arctic talon
rocky gale
#

You'll get banned if you post your thingy KEKW_ogryn

outer wave
#

So why is/was AoS realms of Ruin not good?

arctic talon
#

@rose thorn all melee range is at 3" in 4.0

rocky gale
#

Or lack of proper RTS mechanics

outer wave
#

Damn

#

So a fundamental issue that probably cant be patched out

arctic talon
#

The fucking reveal streams

#

literally said it

#

but GW didn't archive it

rocky gale
#

Lots of little things like bad unit control, pretty much everything being rock paper scissors but not having a great way of effectively countering units, not being able to kite with ranged units effectively, the engagement system being incredibly odd

green loom
#

Basically playing a glorified moba

arctic talon
#

Here's a source

green loom
#

Except there's only minions

arctic talon
#

as well

#

So no more variable range

#

everyone has 3" long shanks

#

including the gargants

outer wave
arctic talon
rocky gale
#

Like if you select your units and set them to attack the enemy, they will charge in and attack them and you can't retreat or pull back unless they've got a special retreat ability and even then that just makes them teleport back to your homebase.

arctic talon
#

no kiting lol

#

and they have a unit designed for kiting

#

truly peak game design

rocky gale
#

So you can't kite or harass or basically do any of the skill based techniques typical of RTS games

#

It's basically just click enemy, hope win

arctic talon
#

what do you even control in Realms of Ruin lol

#

a hero?

outer wave
#

Thats really strange

rocky gale
#

You control everything, you just don't have very good control

rose thorn
arctic talon
#

run from it

#

dread it

#

AoS 4.0 arrives all the same

#

unironically looks fine so far

#

I'm still worried GW is going to shit the bed in the last half of the reveals like they did with 10e

rocky gale
arctic talon
#

there's 0 shot they make the same mistake again

#

right

outer wave
#

They should just hire a smaller company to make the rules and shit

arctic talon
#

GW does a good enough job with rules

#

tbh

#

Like me shitting on the balance of the game aside

#

considering how much crap they have to juggle

storm jungle
green loom
arctic talon
#

good to hear

rocky gale
#

Yea the Rules team do a great job of fixing everything after the fact, it just seems like they struggle on release but I think that's more to do with how they approach it than anything else

outer wave
#

Idk I just hear so much shit about how 10E is right now, most particuarly with power creep, but I havent really been following the crunch scene in a good while

rocky gale
#

10th is in a really good place right now tbh

#

Pretty much every faction is in a healthy spot and those that aren't have been aknowledged and are still being addressed

arctic talon
#

ironically

#

most of the factions with codexs are mediocre to fine

#

Except for Necrons

#

for a single detachment

#

GW was on meth writing that one tbh

outer wave
#

Wasnt Necrons really weak for a good while or was that just in 9th?

rocky gale
#

What I was talking about in terms of their approach to release, is apparently they'll give control over each factions rules to a different person on the team, so it can fluctuate wildly depending on how much that person likes the faction they've been assigned.

outer wave
#

Ahhhh

rocky gale
#

And mostly it's fine, but there's some cracks of "Bob got GSC and they're his favourite faction, so his given them a cool fluff ability but it's also completely broken"

#

But then the rest of the team come around later and fix it with a Balance slate

arctic talon
#

Excluding the meth head written rules

#

they're pretty balanced

outer wave
#

Huh

rocky gale
#

Although I will admit being balanced doesn't mean the rules are neccesarily good. Like Sororitas are kinda balanced RN, but their rules are still incredibly shit

outer wave
#

I guess my impression may have came from Dicecheck retiring after they were burnt out with the game

rocky gale
#

That wasn't really 10th's fault

#

It was a combination of it becoming a financial hole and them getting burned out filming Battle Reports

#

Like it's one thing to play a game and have fun, but once you make it into a production it can get draining

#

Like I enjoy eating pizza, but I would hate to be paid to eat pizza everyday while people sit and watch.

#

I'd start to look at pizza and think of work, I'd stop eating pizza in my free time and I'd lose something I previously enjoyed and did for myself because now it's my job.

#

That's the real burnout

outer wave
#

Yeah thats true

#

Still sad that they ended it but not much they could do at that point

arctic talon
#

Bricky did a team event

#

Somewhat recently

outer wave
#

Yuh he did do that

#

Didnt look much into it though

arctic talon
#

Team events are cool

outer wave
#

They seem fun to do

arctic talon
#

New players trying to melee tau battle suits will never not be funny to me

#

The memes are not true, tank shock in fact hurts

#

also battle suits can shoot in melee

#

Hearing the “are you sure”

outer wave
#

Wait tau has decent melee?

arctic talon
#

Is incredibly funny

outer wave
#

I thought their melee was subpar

arctic talon
outer wave
#

Oh true

arctic talon
#

Tau infantry has god awful melee

#

But that doesn’t extend to their battle suits

#

Since it’s a vehicle

#

It’s actual melee might be weak but tank shock exists

outer wave
#

What does tank shock do?

arctic talon
#

It does 2d6 mortal wounds

outer wave
#

OH FUCK

arctic talon
#

Only up to a maximum of 6 mortals

#

also battle suits in general can shoot in melee

#

assuming the weapon isn't explosive lol

outer wave
#

Thats pretty useful

rose thorn
#

I love teh cadian model for kitbashing sososos much it is so great

#

it is literally perfect for all kitbashing and homebtrw

#

unlike the old sprue there is literally no regiment you cant do without a headswap besides the naked ones now

#

regiment like mordian whoa re more known for wearing normally clothes? just paint more of a focus painting the clothes

rose thorn
#

also what the hell is flak armor made of

#

apparenetly there is a guard regiment who makes thier flak armor out of rusty metal.

storm jungle
#

so imagine kevlar but in any kind of solid'y shape

rose thorn
#

is it explosive resistant like in necromunda?

storm jungle
#

KINDA, "flak" is literally in its name so its not bad but not the best.

#

its very much like vests IRL where it might save you from 1-2 shots/shrapnel but anything after that oof

green loom
#

It'll block shrapnel, maybe small bullets to larger ones at a distance
But most weapons will still go through it

arctic talon
#

Heh flak armor is def better then modern body armor

#

Considering it can eat rifle sized auto gun rounds repeatedly

dusk patrol
vagrant narwhal
#

You ever wonder if the imperium has rediscovered waste recycling suits

green loom
rose thorn
vagrant narwhal
#

tbh they probably have deployable outhouses with nutrient processors on the back

#

"Protien bars."

green loom
#

The protein bars are made of people.

vagrant narwhal
#

there's an IRL place in Japan that did this, they processed customer waste thoroughly into protein patties that they sold back to people

#

they did have disclaimers on everything tho

winter vessel
#

I consider "Slab" meat to be the equivalent of Spam

arctic talon
#

Slab is def like spam

#

But grosser

rocky gale
#

Like bigger?

arctic talon
#

Both larger and grosser

#

Slab is described as “tasteless”

#

Spam at least still has flavor to it

rocky gale
twilit musk
#

i want to eat the warframe building meat

thorn zenith
#

probably taste great fried

queen laurel
tough haven
burnt maple
#

With the waste it is very old lore, no? Besides, with the level of digestion they have,their waste is literally a waste. No nuteients there?

dusk timber
dusk timber
tough haven
coarse pumice
#

the original aesthetic of warframe was really cool

#

like mobius drawings

#

or based on mobius

radiant lance
storm jungle
#

but Games Workshop axed it at the last minute, code analysis reveals.

#

WOW

#

WHO COULDA SEEN THAT COMING

#

also this is April 1st so i wouldnt be surprised if this is fake

radiant lance
#

Yeah I forgot what day it is

storm jungle
#

It starts off legit but the more you read the more unhinged and stupid it becomes.

radiant lance
#

It sounds like an April fools

#

I hate today

queen laurel
#

i love you deep rock galactic but what the **** is this

#

This looks like Nurgle decided to grab a random Caterpillar in the tree and made it drink Chaos Sewer Water

storm jungle
#

you literally just need to change the skintone to a sickly green and basically yeah lmao

green loom
#

The helldivers thing is definitely april fools

#

GW are piss slow with shit like that lol

outer wave
green loom
#

If it's not then it's dataminers being stupid and not understanding that the devs make references and shit in their code all the time

storm jungle
#

Nah its a joke

#

you can tell the more you read it

#

the funny part is though GW would legit do something like this and cancel it last minute too

queen laurel
storm jungle
#

yeet

outer wave
#

Though considering it's GW management

twilit musk
#

GW probably got half way to a lawsuit before someone sat them down and explained its a joke

storm jungle
#

you joke but corpo devs are legit this out of touch

viral halo
#

a few members of my family were very involved with the developments of halo 1-3, and some other microsoft ventures, and google/youtube

storm jungle
#

jesus lmao

viral halo
#

Now we know GW is recovering from the early and mid 2000s handing out the gaming license like it was crack on the street but that's a separate topic

#

now many of the "community ideas" are the first thing to hit the paper shredder

storm jungle
#

GW very much wants to expand/make Warhammer more mainstream too yeah.

#

Its said in their last year business report iirc

viral halo
#

I'm trying to expand upon my point about family involvement without doxxing myself

#

But let's just say most higher up devs go with the line of thinking that gamers don't know what's best for them

#

Dilara I'm going to dm you something funny

storm jungle
versed ledge
#

Don't forget videogames

green loom
#

Tbch

#

Just listen to the horde of people theorising about "battlefield 40k" and you'll see the genius game designers present themselves KEKW_ogryn

viral halo
#

I member

outer wave
#

It just seems asinine to completely ignore the fanbase

viral halo
#

Well here's the major problem

#

game dev time for a new project is MASSIVE these days

#

and expensive as fuck

viral halo
#

Creative Assembly/Sega did do a fanbase survey a few months ago

#

where they were collectively lambasted for total warhammer 3 and pharoah total war

outer wave
#

Video

#

File

twilit musk
#

cartoon i think

outer wave
viral halo
#

Them abandoning three kingdoms hurts my soul

#

That game was PERFECT

#

most innovative total war game yet

#

And all its mechanics will stay trapped in that game forever

#

it plays like a finished game thank God

#

but fuck man

spring cairn
#

Will CA fix TWW3 before filing for bankruptcy

#

many such questions

viral halo
queen laurel
twilit musk
#

been a constant player of TW warhammer since the 1st one launched and seeing that motherfucker who threatened us to either buy the 25$ scam dlc or else they’ll discontinue service get fired is making me goon

viral halo
#

UHHH I MEAN BRASS BULL

spring cairn
#

but they just can't stop goofing up

viral halo
#

lmfao

twilit musk
#

they do not have infinite money tho

#

they nearly went under because they didn’t listen to anyone who used their eyes to look at hyenas

viral halo
#

Yea Hyenas was a financial disaster for them

twilit musk
#

resulting in the layoff and backpeddle to crawl back to the warhammer community

spring cairn
#

Only way to save TWW3 is to give the dwarfs a thunderbarge for Thrones of Decay

twilit musk
#

Sega also did fire the fuck out of like 100 employees or something

viral halo
#

Gaming industry had FAT layoffs last year

#

I think Nintendo may be the only one who didn't have mass layoffs

twilit musk
#

yeah the lawsuits covered the expenses

viral halo
#

The nintendo inquisition

#

Make a wish kid asks for mario to visit him in the hospital; nintendo drone strikes the hospital

twilit musk
#

baffles me how they squeezed as much as they have from their literal first IPs

#

People still running everytime

#

Just not my thing I guess

queen laurel
twilit musk
#

Like idk much about Mario does the Mf even talk

spring cairn
#

next pokemone game just dropped guys

#

it's totally different this time wowzer

viral halo
#

At least we have pokemmo

#

Which nintendo has been unsuccessful going after

queen laurel
#

I am still surprised Nintendo is still even going because I'm going to be frank their games are quite outdated

storm jungle
#

People love slop

queen laurel
#

Like sure they try new things here and there but the formula

#

Still is to the core the same

viral halo
#

Well they do have a large base of children globally that buy children's games- and manchildren as well

storm jungle
#

Like I said, slop

twilit musk
#

Mario’s gonna say the 3 cheers he’s done since 1980 and Zelda is gonna fight the evil black man

outer wave
twilit musk
#

Tbh Zelda games put OUT

viral halo
#

Breath of the Wild was also a masterpiece TBF

storm jungle
#

also this

spring cairn
#

pull out the nintendo adult soyjack throwing his switch at his wife

viral halo
#

I tapped out on Pokemon after playing Sword/Shield when it came out

#

realized I aged out of pokemon

queen laurel
#

yeah they do good executions from here and there

outer wave
#

Ah yes I remember hearing all the wonderful things of Sword/Shield

viral halo
#

It was so bad

#

I beat it in 5 hours

#

But then again I was an adult playing it

#

That's why I like pokemmo when I need my pokemon fix

twilit musk
#

like the one dude from dbz

queen laurel
outer wave
#

I was out of pokemon since Pokemon White/Black or whatever that generation of games were called

#

Only brought back because my friends play a TTRPG of pokemon

viral halo
#

black white 1 and 2

#

Played them during hurricane sandy

queen laurel
storm jungle
#

hes packing

viral halo
twilit musk
queen laurel
rose thorn
twilit musk
#

that leeck

viral halo
#

They should give him another evolution where he his celery becomes a musket and he wears a keppi and has a pipe

queen laurel
#

also shout out to a good elephant Pokémon

twilit musk
#

cockquistador

viral halo
#

They also had that cute little spartan thing

spring cairn
viral halo
spring cairn
#

for maximum sadism

viral halo
#

Chansey trying to stitch up a disembowled meganium

queen laurel
viral halo
#

What a cute design

queen laurel
#

what an adorable little shit

viral halo
#

sword/shield designs actually slapped

#

Too bad the game was ASS

#

mainly cause it took place in the UK

#

Now we wanna talk about good nintendo slop- fire emblem three houses

#

WOAH BOY that game slapped

rose thorn
#

I love bug types so much, every pokemon game I’ve played I have only used bug types

spring cairn
#

the blimbo is my favourit pokenom

queen laurel
arctic talon
#

they're mono fighting

viral halo
#

I always nickname my Kingler "the governor" because in an episode of the sopranos they make a joke where a guy had such a bad case of the crabs they called him the governor of maryland

arctic talon
#

They just look like a bug type because ????

viral halo
#

would be legendary on twitter

queen laurel
viral halo
#

I get sports news, combat footage, warhammer arguments, schizoposting, all in the same place

#

without going on 4chan

queen laurel
outer wave
#

I mostly use twitter for art

viral halo
#

There are many good artists on twitter

green loom
#

I use myself for art

outer wave
#

Occasionally I'll sneak into the trending tabs to see what dumb shit people are saying

arctic talon
#

I just use twitter for at

#

*art

viral halo
#

My fave thing on twitter is the arguing

spring cairn
#

twitter is a a toxic waste but all social medias are

viral halo
#

I sip my morning coffee and see the brainrot

#

I really need another coffee

#

makes work go by

spring cairn
#

even discord is

queen laurel
rose thorn
green loom
#

My fave thing on twitter is tanks but replace the "a" with "wi"

queen laurel
rose thorn
viral halo
green loom
queen laurel
viral halo
#

they shall duel now

queen laurel
#

it seems we have come for an impasse

forest orbit
storm jungle
#

I was gonna say yeah i legit never get twitter stuff half the time since i only follow like 20 people

spring cairn
#

they're all the same to me

storm jungle
#

okay redditor

forest orbit
#

LMAO

queen laurel
outer wave
storm jungle
outer wave
#

Otherwise its just sets of hive minds

spring cairn
#

people only simp for the ones they use because bias

forest orbit
#

spoken like a true redditor

green loom
#

It's very unfortunate that most of the 40k twitter community is shoulder-to-shoulder with chuds because they don't know how to realize their friends are assholes 3_

storm jungle
storm jungle
#

marsham bohemond moment btw

forest orbit
#

oof

green loom
#

Ah yes, LordMetalMan88, I'm sure this person is totally normal

spring cairn
#

you seem to be obsessed with reddit for someone who hates it so much

outer wave
#

I hardly follow 40k twitter, except again, artists

forest orbit
#

yeah same

storm jungle
#

me too

outer wave
#

Like I follow the maid 40k guy

storm jungle
#

oh they are GREAT

outer wave
#

And the fem-primarchs guy

green loom
#

Chumii is neat

#

I like Han Soape

forest orbit
#

Chumii is legit a cinamon roll

storm jungle
#

^

#

absolute angel

outer wave
#

I love them all

#

Absolute blessings

queen laurel
storm jungle
#

they dont know a lot about lore but shes trying and making people mad so they are a hero in my eyes

storm jungle
forest orbit
#

ye just keep it trimmed

green loom
#

Don't follow the wrong people more like

queen laurel
forest orbit
#

and block people you dont like

#

its very easy

green loom
#

And don't look at 40k memes

#

Period

outer wave
#

Some artists I know also retweet political stuff sadly, which makes it hard to follow them

#

Also some artists may uh

#

retweet or make the occasional weird post

green loom
#

Half those pages will pop out like generic lamenters memes one week then go on a holocaust denial rant the next

storm jungle
#

LOL

queen laurel
storm jungle
#

Fair i suppose

queen laurel
#

i might be a ******* but i have standards

outer wave
storm jungle
#

Im very sure they do

forest orbit
#

i swear that was a thing in a book

queen laurel
outer wave
#

Fuck yeah

forest orbit
#

because we do know they got cooks

spring cairn
storm jungle
#

Not really

#

unless all you know about twitter is form memes

#

which it usually is lol

green loom
#

Also if you see a bio with "Legion of Unpopular Opinions" Ignore it immediately

rose thorn
storm jungle
outer wave
forest orbit
#

Arch Moment

forest orbit
rose thorn
#

My favorite thing is seeing a. 40k YouTuber like post a video ‘maybe AOS isn’t bad’ or ‘looking at AOS’ and then AOS becoming normal content

storm jungle
#

Gigachad Behavior

outer wave
#

Pancreasenowork is my sole AoS deep diver for me

storm jungle
#

^

outer wave
#

I love that man

forest orbit
#

Pancreas is THE goat

outer wave
#

And I want him to cover more

viral halo
#

AOS is great

forest orbit
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Pancreas loves and hates everything equally

spring cairn
forest orbit
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peak creator

queen laurel
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AOS is the best

Anyone who disagrees with this opinion needs to beat me in a battle with giant hammers

rose thorn
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I stopped watching him as a vivid chaos fan

green loom
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The main shitty thing with twitter is that harrassment doesn't get you banned and it generates crazy engagement so you have a load of grifting shitheads who just spam-harass everyone

rose thorn
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But his stuff is good

outer wave
storm jungle
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he only hates khorne

outer wave
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Which I dont blame

storm jungle
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every other of his chaos content is good

rose thorn
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Oh nice

forest orbit
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every world eater fan ive met is a braindead moron so i can confirm

viral halo
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Hates the only honorable chaos god smh

rose thorn
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Khrone is the worst that’s why i have 2k points of khrone

green loom
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Also I will no longer draw space marines, just Slaaneshi twinks

forest orbit
storm jungle
dusk patrol