40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

Love it

My favorite one is binocs

[viral halo]

What would they call a condom

[dusk patrol]

Like

It’s actually almost better than ours

[analog cloud]

The one planet where they call corpse starch "Soylens Veridians" SHUT THE FUCK UP ITS NOT CLEVER

[viral halo]

"life catcher"

[celest dome]

No babierium

[viral halo]

that's just german

antibabypillen

[celest dome]

[analog cloud]

this is why I can't justify spending $40 on a 40k novel.

[dusk patrol]

I think the most clever reference I’ve picked up is one of the Ventris novels make a Of Mice and Men reference and the planet it happens on is named after John Steinbeck’s hometown

[storm jungle]

WHAT

[dusk patrol]

Boo

[viral halo]

Lots of Arabic roots in english and spanish

[analog cloud]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saltwort
Oh, if you burn it you get soda ash

[storm jungle]

bruh

[analog cloud]

which you can then use to put bubbles in things

I like it when etymolgy teaches you minecraft recipes

[viral halo]

I love teaching students where words come from and getting asked if I know what rizzler means

[analog cloud]

Uh-- anyway-- I need help figuring out how to describe alien insect ecosystems

Do ants still exist in 40k?

Would a random imperial colonist know what birds are?

Or is the biology in 40k just kinda... make it up for each game/book etc

I used to read those big Star Wars info books in the Borders before the lore reset, so I know a lot of big property sci-fi is basically "random intern put some notes on a picture of a prop to justify 120 pages of product"

[green loom]

Everything still has the capacity to exist

It all depends on what you want to convey imo

[storm jungle]

^

[storm jungle]

Depends on the context

ask your questions here we can try to answer them lol

I love writing explanatory essays

[analog cloud]

Well the blurb for one of the frontier worlds implies there are forests, so I wanted to give Eyes an experience with a non-human complicated system, ie an alien ecosystem-- as a formative experience in how complex systems work (which in turn helps her not get eaten, enslaved, or Black-Shipped).

[dusk patrol]

It depends on how advanced they are

If it’s like a feral world no

But if they speak low gothic and have a vague understanding of them being in the Imperium

Then probably yeah

[storm jungle]

Yeah some humans in 40k also literally never see the sky in the worlds they work/die at lol

so you can go about it either way

one of the best parts of 40k is how wide you can homebrew

[analog cloud]

Basically
Child of workers on a frontier logging company-- camp is attacked by native insects resulting in Eyes being orphan'd at the age of 7- then brought back to a hive city for an Administratum Orphanage (any details on how childcare/education works? Moebians are supposed to be vaguely civilized I think?)

I'm assuming that the orphanage system is grimdark and doesn't work, so Eyes learns about Administratum incompetence, has to get by via street urchin ganger shit

[green loom]

I think there's capacity for some sort of non-schola orphanage to exist on a world like Atoma

[analog cloud]

Leads to nickname, surviving by quick wits and cynicism

[green loom]

Since all nobles and kids of fallen military are inducted into the schola progenium

[analog cloud]

finds other low level rogue psykers in the outskirts and wastes where "how to not become a warp demon" is taught

[storm jungle]

So the only "official" orphanages in 40k are the Schola Progenium which psykers cannot attend to for obvious reasons. Non-government orphanages could definitely exist but instead of Administratum you would need to make it something like Ministorum who are literally just the catholic church

[green loom]

Maybe the Water guild grabbed him

And piled him in with a secret enclave to covertly boost their power via psykers

Necromunda style

[analog cloud]

How easily are psykers detected? I'm thinking that Eyes knows not to do anything that gets her put on a black ship

[storm jungle]

Basically if they actively show off their powers or get snitched on

[green loom]

Inevitable incidents

[storm jungle]

^

[green loom]

Outbursts

Something that will happen to a normal person will happen to you eventually and your psychic powers will react to it

[analog cloud]

Yea, definitely the theme here is "I've noticed that being noticed by bigger systems usually results in bad outcomes for ants, for logging camps, and for other psykers, I think I'll try to keep this to myself as long as possible"

[green loom]

Heinrix in Rogue Trader got taken to the blackships after he accidentally fried his aunt

iirc

[storm jungle]

Yep lol

[green loom]

His aunt and pet lizard actually

It's an innate thing you need to hone, and until honed will naturally trigger

[storm jungle]

So if you absolutely want Eyes to be in the administratum have em be basically taken in as an easy to dispose indentured servant to a scribe-hub led by the Administratum

beause growing up as a literally nobody book-carrier in a place like that they would see a ton of fucked up stuff.

Most administratum workplaces can have literaly gang-wars over what type of paper to use lmao

or literally dig through documents with shovels from HOW MUCH useless shit there is on their stations

[analog cloud]

No I don't care which bureacratic system fails her specifically- but a position where learning more about how fucked up the imperium actually is would explain a lot of the in-game dialog

I was thinking maybe eventually contact with astropaths-- other sources of widespread information beyond what the blunts know

[storm jungle]

yeah then you can choose between two flairs, Failing Paperhouse or Fascist Catholic Church, but since you are basing her on Loner i think Administratum works the best since they are the backbone of the imperial war machine and Loner comments a lot about hte Imperial tithe

[dusk patrol]

Just being real, a lot for the Darktide characters know way more than they should

And talk way to freely about it

[storm jungle]

It depends

the banter was written by 7 Black Library authors

who literally get approval from GW ontop of that

so its whatever really

[analog cloud]

Honestly- if you're not near a commissar- and you're already condemned as a reject, who gives a shit what you know, right?

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

[dusk patrol]

I don’t care much but there’s a level of just suspending disbelief at some stuff

[storm jungle]

Ehhh it depends

like a lot of the shit they say is common knowledge

also hearsay/rumors

they say so before yapping

[dusk patrol]

Like the Grey Knights reference is a bit much for example

[green loom]

I'll bet 99% of the rumours come from the veterans

[storm jungle]

the game is post-rift and the Dark Imperium makes it clear that the GK are essentially operating in the open at this point

so you can just surmise it as another "rumor"

[analog cloud]

The thing about fascist dictatorships trying to keep people from talking is-- the competence necessary to keep people from knowing stuff would require that the people enforcing it know stuff, which just breaks down pretty fast.

[dusk patrol]

Yeah but it’s only been a few years

[storm jungle]

The game takes place during the Plague Wars so kinda

[storm jungle]

And yeah this

news travel

people gossip

you also serve onboard an Inquisitorial/Hereticus vessel

[analog cloud]

LOTS of juicy rumors there

[viral halo]

Plague wars is such a weird trilogy, goes from bad to good to bad to good over and over

[analog cloud]

And Psykers can talk without being near each other, and without a Commissar ever being able to find out

[storm jungle]

||Its just shit.||

[viral halo]

|| cato sicarius was cool in it ||

[dusk patrol]

I feel like this is kinda not selecting for the fact that news traveling within the Imperium is vastly different than news traveling between some towns in a country under a dictatorship

[storm jungle]

I mean we arent just random schmucks at some point though

we are an elite kill-team of Hereticus agents

its why the dialogue actually changes as you level up

[dusk patrol]

I can agreed they might have heard some stuff aboard a inquisitorial vessel

I just think the GKs thing feels like a bit much especially with how they’re portrayed in novels where people are basically always confused as to what they are unless they’re extremely high command

[storm jungle]

Yeah but at the end of the day we cant really say much since again this is written by Black Library staff, big names like Ward and Aaron Dembski Bowden included, so its very much just whatever.

[dusk patrol]

Even for recent stuff

[storm jungle]

and its just one line amidst 50,000

[analog cloud]

Aboard a ship full of people from all over the sector. Remember all the imperium's economic, military information has to pass through an Astropath's brain. There must be a general understanding of what's going on, if a substantial portion of the crew is psykers.

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah

the crew of the Mourningstar is very colorful to say the least lol

[dusk patrol]

That’s not how astropaths works though, especially for inquisition vessels. They’re not some open link.

[storm jungle]

I mean

depends on who

[analog cloud]

If psykers CAN talk to each other over interstellar space- they're gonna, right? Even if not for official business.

[dusk patrol]

Not for us for sure, the Inquisition is very aware psykers can talk to each other

[storm jungle]

If the astropath chamber is not that well protected yes

[celest dome]

Astropath are just the modem

[dusk patrol]

They’re not letting their astopaths talk to anyone

[storm jungle]

theres definitely nothing stopping you from listening in but its risky lol

[dusk patrol]

There’s a few novels which go into the encryption on astropathic messages

Especially for Inquisiton

[viral halo]

this sums up psykers fairly well

[dusk patrol]

Shit literally kills you if you try to catch it without knowing how to decipher it

And the astropaths themselves can’t actually read it

They’re getting some like “package” of info with no way to decipher it

[analog cloud]

Right, but-- its like netrunners in Cyberpunk- if the possibilty of information exchange exists, there would have to be a black market for the information

[green loom]

I imagine a lot of gossip spirings from Hallowette and her fellow rogue trader crew

[dusk patrol]

And we haven’t seen that for 40k beyond the highest level

You don’t have random psykers listening in on the most heavily encrypted stuff

[analog cloud]

Even if you're not going after encrypted inquisition chatter, you might just be linking up to other low level communications

[dusk patrol]

Have you read anything regarding how they encrypt stuff?

[analog cloud]

But if you see that corpse starch merchant Severa on Atoma has a shipment 3x bigger than the previous cycle-- you might be able to figure out that there's a war on

[storm jungle]

Honestly again, information always slips, its not that big of a deal

[analog cloud]

No-- are you saying all astropathic communication is only via sanctioned psykers doing solely their jobs?

[dusk patrol]

It’s not as simple process as “you listen in”

Astropaths don’t even know what they’re sending a lot of the times

[analog cloud]

Do psykers have the capability- outside of official channels-- to communicate over long distances?

[storm jungle]

Thats only relegated to Astropaths

who may as well be basement slaves

lol

[analog cloud]

So, only astropaths can get on the internet?

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

its the most "reliable" way

the other spread of information is through crewmen like the sea age back in the day

[dusk patrol]

Some can

It varies

[storm jungle]

If you are like a super-psyker

[dusk patrol]

They don’t all have the same ability

[storm jungle]

Who's abilities are also just "author demanded this at the time"

[dusk patrol]

Tigurius is basically the best at being a super astropath beyond the Alpha+ level ones the Custodes use

Who pick up messages from the future

[analog cloud]

Just from reading the wiki, it seems like the process of communicating via warp is dangerous-- but of course everything a psyker does is dangerous--, but not impossible to do without official training

[storm jungle]

Yeah because hes a fucking mary sue

[dusk patrol]

He can’t

Alpha+ ones can

[storm jungle]

I mean

Alpha+ are literally "I can do anything"

[dusk patrol]

He can just send messages vast distances

They’re alpha+ astropaths

Not anything else

[storm jungle]

Im gonna strangle you in your sleep

[analog cloud]

Darktide psykers are what, Gamma/beta level?

[storm jungle]

They are pretty high but uhhh

[analog cloud]

one in a few million

[viral halo]

What about Sigma Psykers

[storm jungle]

They are more Zeta/Epsilon

[analog cloud]

on that grind

[viral halo]

They make them mew for years on the black ships

Guy with one hand just walked past my office window- Bjorn reference?

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Smexsmahmmer

When update

[analog cloud]

point being- it seems like enough human psykers would have the ability to do some kind of interstellar communication-- and interstellar communication would be valuable enough-- that one could reasonably expect a psyker who doesn't immediately implode to be able to get some additional information about how the galaxy works from other psykers in similar, non-official positions.

basing this on the fact that generally speaking in real life, when populations of people who are persecuted when they're discovered exist, they tend to find ways of communicating survival techniques to other members of that group

[dusk patrol]

Unfortunately my Alpha+ Astropath warned me of this and it was a decoy me

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-clenches-fist-of-rage-rat-clench-fist-rage-gif-20880451

[storm jungle]

Yeah the only issue though if the distance is like planetary it can get very unfeasible.

[storm jungle]

It might be more realistic to just have Eyes "pluck" information from off-worlders

that is much more believable in her power level

[dusk patrol]

Maybe but we haven’t seen this be a thing, especially as said if you go to a galactic scale

Astropaths are very specially trained and they link into systems and choirs which enhance their power

It’s very notable that Tigurius is able to send messages as far as he can and it’s a huge effort

Controlling psyker power isn’t easy and it’s dangerous to just throw stuff out into the void

It’s not like they’re linking minds across distances

They’re sending basically emails to whoever catches it

And it’s not a simple matter to know how to catch them and read them or send them in a way which is easy to figure out

There’s a reasons astropaths have to be trained

[analog cloud]

There's a few lines about xenos sorcerers and others listening, which just makes me think that--- If I had access to the immaterium, I'd be spending time listening too

[dusk patrol]

Plus, there’s many organizations which are actively looking for shit like that

[analog cloud]

though it fully makes sense that the majority of information is vibes and images

[storm jungle]

Yeah that happens a lot, info-fishing is pretty widespread

[analog cloud]

still seems like you'd figure some stuff out if you're bright

[storm jungle]

Well yeah

[dusk patrol]

It’s hard enough figuring it out with heavy training if you are

[storm jungle]

or like I said just plucking stuff from people

at least anyone that wont notice lol

[dusk patrol]

Like picking stuff up in a hive or within a world is one thing

It’s way different to say you’re reading what’s going on from galactic messages without any training

[analog cloud]

Doesn't the Seer psyker explicitly have a line in with an aspect of the Emperor?

[dusk patrol]

It has some warp being who talks to it

Not exactly clear what

Also seeing as they probably have been to Terra or somewhere and were bound

[analog cloud]

I mean, if it's not the Emprah, it sure knows an awful lot about stuff, and hasn't exploded into a warp gate yet

I also figure 40k lore is not exactly consistent on power scaling or how the rules all work

[storm jungle]

Its very likely it is an aspect of the Emperor

people say its a daemon but like it helps the team WAY too much

also actively tells the Seer what to do, which ability to use, which way to go, etc

[analog cloud]

maybe some daemons are less murdery than others though

[storm jungle]

Or that yeah

it could as well be a unalligned daemon thats not too evil and just bored lol

[dusk patrol]

I feel like I shouldn’t have to say why talking to a warp being and getting info from them might be unreliable or bad

[analog cloud]

I like the idea that the warp is so dangerous largely because the galaxy is so fucked up-- that the realm of ideas and thought and souls is a reflection of realspace-- so while evil brainworms seem to be the most prevalent, the warp isn't evil by necessity

[dusk patrol]

Maybe but it’s a moot point

[analog cloud]

Just that-- you tend to attract the attention of predators when you're undefended

[dusk patrol]

It’s this way and it’s a vicious cycle

We don’t see much for benevolent warp beings

[analog cloud]

Well it would leave space open for non-predatory entites in the lore if it works that way

[dusk patrol]

It’s not that kinda universe

[storm jungle]

Its possible.

Just extremely unlikely

like you would need to get billion in 1 chance lol

[analog cloud]

Same as the way nature works- yes there's lots of eating things ass first while they're alive, but flowers and fruit and whatnot are still valid survival strategies.

[dusk patrol]

There’s a hell but there’s no heaven is how I always describe 40k

[storm jungle]

Basically yeah

the Warp's issue is its 99.9% hostile

its why the Seer talking to an Emperor aspect is more feasible in comparison

[dusk patrol]

You might be used by a warp being who will actually assist you because it benefits it for whatever reason

It’s not impossible but it’s just a bad idea

For obvious reasons

[analog cloud]

Sure- flowers help bees for a similar reason

[dusk patrol]

“Daemons always lie” is a common line

[analog cloud]

I get the sense that a lot of the information we have in the setting might be slightly polluted by the fact that its coming from Imperial sources, and the Imperium is explicitly-- incompetent and evil

[dusk patrol]

Even when they’re telling you the truth they’re not, there’s always an angle basically.

Even for ones like Vashtorr where he’s “fair” he knows he’s giving contracts they can’t fulfill most of the time

[dusk patrol]

It’s no different from other sources

I’d suggest reading the many books which deal with it

[analog cloud]

They're all $40 and often bad

[dusk patrol]

[burnt maple]

Telling not whole truth is technically no lie. Or omitting cause of some offer (cause being the offermaker)

[storm jungle]

okay Saul Goodman

[dusk patrol]

The point of the line is you can’t ever trust them

It’s not literal

[burnt maple]

XD fak off.

[storm jungle]

gottem

[dusk patrol]

Your honor, if you are what you eat, then my client Jeffery Dahmer is an innocent man.

[burnt maple]

Your honor, my client here is a raving bitch and therefore can't be judged as a person.

[analog cloud]

Case dismissed

[burnt maple]

Thank you.

[storm jungle]

Basically a good chunk of the lore is pretty much canon, theres some inconsistencies but its more because BL goes through writers like cheap prostitutes on the street

40k ever rarely retcons its lore

Once you spend enough time in the setting its pretty easy to wrap your head around it

[burnt maple]

The comparison xD

[dusk patrol]

It’s very clear in novels generally when we’re getting propaganda vs the real thing

It’s not meant to be a “but did this actually happen?!” For novels

Expect if you’re a hack writer like Brooks

And you slap that onto your Alpha Legion book cause you’re a jackass

[burnt maple]

I fucking hate Alpha Legion.

[dusk patrol]

Hurrdurr, Alpha Legion am mystery?!

No they’re not people just keep acting like they are smh

[analog cloud]

this is not a strength of the setting imo haha

[burnt maple]

It is not indeed.

[storm jungle]

Yeah its not

anyone saying the opposite is coping af lmao

Literally just know the general lore + read books

[burnt maple]

^

[storm jungle]

thats basically best you can do

[burnt maple]

Yea. Don't bother with lore iceberg.

[storm jungle]

its the same reason i fucking hate the quote every fan spout sof "Everything is canon" like... no it isnt lmao

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

Me when people online act like something is unclear

Mfer no it’s not

[storm jungle]

Jokes aside if you actually read books/lore you get more power over people.

This isnt even exaggerating

[burnt maple]

You can actually be the ACKSHYUALLY guy and can't be called out for it.

[dusk patrol]

Not to worry

You will still be called out despite people not reading the damn book

You’ll never win

[burnt maple]

I want to get my hand on the "Spear of the Emperor" book. Among others, less... Obvious ones.

[dusk patrol]

The hordes of meme lords and TikTokers are endless

[storm jungle]

💀

[dusk patrol]

But I like to argue about dumb stuff in the internet so

[burnt maple]

We all do.

Look at Dilara. Like, head goblin of this channel.

[dusk patrol]

This is 40k lore smh

She’s head grot

[burnt maple]

Fiiii e.

[river walrus]

No head squig

[dusk patrol]

More disinformation

[river walrus]

Like squig sausage

[dusk patrol]

I’m joining the war against disinformation on the side of disinformation.

[burnt maple]

Ulgo, do not eat squigs!

[storm jungle]

[burnt maple]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-warhammer40k-tactical-marine-bolter-adeptus-astartes-gif-16749240

Greenskin!

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/orque-lotr-amazon-gif-26623643

Wait is orque something bad

Eh I can’t find something so whatever

Morgan Freeman: But as it would later turn out, the age of man was not in fact over.

[river walrus]

Too late!

[burnt maple]

Throne dammit!

[spring cairn]

It's the the french spelling of orca

and I think fantasy orcs are translated to orque aswell

[thorn zenith]

Mix em up, put both orc and orca through an unholy marriage

[golden meteor]

Hey uh who’re the collegia titanica

Heard about em for the first time

[green loom]

Broad term for titan legions and auxiliary bros

Also referenced as the Adeptus Titanicus(featuring in the game of the same name(

[arctic talon]

Titan legions

[queen laurel]

yep orks are actively bad, they have shown they can

they are moving away from the other worst slavery aspects some more now tho

The beast part was mostly because well they were pretty much lucky they got even that smart

The setting right now mostly has reduced the risk of you getting turned into a slave farm

[tough haven]

Humies can’t work as good as orks anyways, not worth keeping

I imagine that’s how’d they’d look at it

Probably too much hassle to keep them alive when you can just have grots do it for a lot less hassle

[storm jungle]

Yeah 40k orks are extremely racist and violent

its not like other fantasy settings where you can at least team up with one or two at times lol

[queen laurel]

only AOS orruks are the closest you can call to an ally out of the three warhammer settings

Fantasy orcs are probably the most violent type

the 2nd that you can work with but still violent is 40K

AOS it's violent but they are apparently hilariously also the most reliable

[hasty oyster]

hello witch and bulgur

hope yall had a good day of loring

[dusk patrol]

I hope they didn't.

There, I canceled it out.

[storm jungle]

[orchid lark]

I dont mind people having a bad day, as long as I get treated to the schadenfreude

Love that

[tulip brook]

Salt in warhammer lore chat

Sounds ridiculous but we always seem to have it

[queen laurel]

This place is home to the most dangerous monsters around

( us )

[orchid lark]

We are our own enemies and allies

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/pulcino-coltello-chick-killer-knife-gif-20663311

[bold wren]

I wouldn't say racist

[storm jungle]

I'm really not gonna get into this.

[bold wren]

Why are they racist then, give me a solid argument? You want me to give solid arguments, and sources to my claims.

If you can't give me a argument your claim is anymore true, then anything I say.

[forest orbit]

prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.

Orks actively do all of these things

They also always claim anyone that isnt "Green" is a weakling that should be killed on the spot because they are weak and dont have an Orky look like they do lol

[bold wren]

To be honest that isn't entirely true, whilst green is a color of power. They have the same treatment anything weaker, or even smaller then them gets the same treatment in their species.

[forest orbit]

....

And yet the still actively wage war to cause chaos and also enslave and eat people lol

Read any ork book like Brutal Kunning, the thing of "well humans arent green so they should die" is brought up constantly

Orks are very primitively tribal

"You look different so you should die"

lmao

[bold wren]

It's done indiscriminately, and not based on skin color.

So no it wouldn't be racist, despite it's evil to enslave people usually people weaker or smaller then them it wouldn't be racist despite it's a evil thing to do to enslave people and eat them.

[forest orbit]

Racism is basically indiscrimately killing anyone different than you because [insert excuse here], this includes different species.

Dont think so hard about it.

[bold wren]

But the thing is that they also kill their own, and anyone who is remotely weaker even their own. Orks will tear apart anyone they see weak, so once again no.

[forest orbit]

Everyone in 40k is xenophobic, thats literally half the joke of the setting lol

And again, do I need to grab any excerpt where orks refer to anyone that isnt "green" as bad.

Can you genuinely just stop 💀

[bold wren]

Why because they're not racist? I'm not saying they're not evil in their choices.

[forest orbit]

?????

Okay you know what, you win.

Your weird ass sentences legit are giving me a headache

I need coffee

[celest dome]

Vivid being his usual self I see

[tulip brook]

I think he says they can't be considered racist because their murders aren't racially motivated. But they're racially motivated and they think orks are better than everyone and kill anything different with extreme prejudice. It's textbook racism.

Really, that's the common theme for every faction and the setting has nothing to do with nuance and rhetorics

[storm jungle]

Pretty much yeah, literally everyone in 40k is racist lol

Thats like half the joke

Its not too in your face with orks but the amount of times they go "Your skin isn't green so I'm gonna smash you for that" is like constant.

[celest dome]

Even with how they care about the Grots

[dusk patrol]

They mostly don’t

[crisp heath]

Tyranids aren't racist, another win for the bugs

Lictors and gaunts and tervigons living in harmony

[orchid lark]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/566485580964429825/1219544143555072061/IMG_1545.jpg?ex=660baffd&is=65f93afd&hm=d764a9b0b2f836dde15bd660ae27c2022f23da5cbec624a3173c3d60cf86f024&

[crisp heath]

I think like half of ork kind would have a cute kitten companion because cats are kunnin' and killas, but the other half of the orks keep eating their kittens

[tulip brook]

It sounds exactly like what they do with squigs

[hallow basin]

I feel the reason why some people are hesitant to call orks racists is when someone who Orks view as inferior show that they are stronger, Orks would not invent reasons why it's actually them who are still stronger, but instead would challenge those that overpowered them

[tulip brook]

Most of the time it's "my favorite faction can't be that bad" copium

It generally happens with sm fans but orks aren't racist was kind of a hot take

[queen laurel]

VIvid at it again

[rose thorn]

Average comedically evil faction fan vs the strongest space marine evil denialist

I worded that terribly

There

[pine wedge]

racism is a very human phenomenon with a specific relation to human societies. it does not, in any meaningful way, apply to the xenophobia displayed between the various alien species of the 40k universe

fundamental to the concept of racism is its basis in the merely pseudoscientific (at best) definition of "human race", and the even less scientific specific racial designations that various groups create and apply to themselves and others.

alien species are not related to each other. there's no pseudoscience at play when a human points at an eldar, or whatever, and says "THESE guys are DIFFERENT from us". whether or not the following hatred is rational is a different discussion, there's definitely xenophobia, but it's not racist to say "these guys are not the same as me", which is the root of all racism in humans.

[queen laurel]

Orks literally don't have any redeeming qualities whatsoever, even if you say they are not racist they have committed a hilarious amount of war crimes on the daily

And like they are actually racist

[rose thorn]

At most space marines will view Votaan and Eldar as sentient while seeing all others (so like 2) as just animals

Oh yeah space marines might see Votaan as humans

[queen laurel]

Yeah the other bad factions have some redeeming qualities except a few and orks are in the except

They are war mongering green mountain of muscles that got their hands on very destructive weapons

[storm jungle]

So yes it is about xenophobia.

[rose thorn]

Xenophobia is just scifi for racism. Even though racism would be a correct term since race is another word for species

[storm jungle]

Pretty much yeah its more or less the same thing.

Racism very much exists in 40k lol

[pine wedge]

of course it is

[storm jungle]

I'm literally just getting done reading a book where pure blooded Cadians spit and harass non-Cadian recruits that were trained by them because they did not grow up in their homeworld like they did

[pine wedge]

I disagree

[pine wedge]

now that is racism

[storm jungle]

Yes.

But basically yeah orks are speciecist like anyone

humans literally call them "greenskins" lmao

[pine wedge]

but how Orks view other alien species has nothing to do with racism, is my point.

[queen laurel]

They should have brought up how even though they grew up in their world they were not strong enough to save it

[rose thorn]

At least humanity ozymandias their shit and or church only giving food to starving people of the same religion into being sorta united

[pine wedge]

racism as a sociological phenomenon is about how members of ostensibly the same species or group find ways to "other" their own kind anyway, and then enact alienation etc. based on that (arbitrary) distinction

[rose thorn]

[storm jungle]

Xenophobia and racism very well can apply to other species.

If we met aliens that were like us IRL it would still happen

theres no other better befitting term for it

[rose thorn]

Eldar and drukhari as an example

[storm jungle]

Pretty much

[queen laurel]

Hating a sapient creature for no reason than them being that sapient creature is basically

Just racism

[rose thorn]

I wanna see that terrible ass race tier list but in 40k made by an eldar or tau or something

[queen laurel]

It's not that deep

[rose thorn]

Like

[storm jungle]

Yeah i dont really wanna get too deep into this though the point is any living sentient being enters this sphere

[rose thorn]

‘Number one is the tau species’

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/nqgcy5yV6V4?si=ypVskV2XarrUXKxr

Something like this?

[rose thorn]

Nah this shitty video made by basically a Neo Nazi got popular a while ago

[pine wedge]

xenophobia, without the specific meaning of racism, does just fine

[storm jungle]

Its pretty much the same thing.

[coarse pumice]

"With such low warp presence, are Tau even sapient?"

[pine wedge]

but it's nooooooot

[queen laurel]

Please stop before Vivid smells this conversation

[storm jungle]

[pine wedge]

racism is a kind of xenophobia occurring within members of the same species that find distinctions between themselves and another group along less-than-scientific lines reeeeee

[river walrus]

Ogryn Abhuman not xeno yes?

[rose thorn]

“I zoggan say themz grots gotz a B- for bein goodz at bein shoot from a dakka “

[pine wedge]

oh yeah the way humanity treats abhumans is way more racism-aligned than their attitude towards alien species.

[storm jungle]

Abhumans are basically sanctioned subhumans

GW just didnt use the term because its very offensive lol

the "ab" literally comes from "abnormal"

💀

[queen laurel]

This also reminds me that Zogrod literally got kicked out of his tribe because he cared for his grots

[pine wedge]

don't you 🔫 me zilara you know I'm right

I have the power of SOCIOLOGY and ACADEMIA on my side

[river walrus]

Offensive? Salamender burn children

[queen laurel]

Sorry man i think she has the better shoota

[storm jungle]

Silence Tom Crooze

[rose thorn]

True

[queen laurel]

Ah yes my favorite Flintstone member

[rose thorn]

It’s really funny that the snake bites have better technology then the other clans due to having a worse imagination

[queen laurel]

It's pretty tribal but their tech can still keep up with a lot of the galaxy because of how they raise their monstrosities

Their Squiggoth's could literally reach the size of a goddamn bio titan

[green loom]

Beware the Rizzfinder

[rocky gale]

The what?

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

The Rizzfinder

Finder of Rizz

[orchid lark]

The Rizzquisition

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/mercy-reverse-overwatch-gif-23319649

[queen laurel]

This chat was abandoned by god when it was made

[plush mason]

truth

[outer wave]

Man I missed a whole ass can of worms being opened up here

[orchid lark]

Vivid comes in, says something pants ass weird, and just causes all of us to just have a discussion amongst each other against our will.

[outer wave]

I've noticed

[hasty oyster]

when vivid talks an argument ensues

[orchid lark]

i mean, we're not really arguing with eachother

[hasty oyster]

usually server wide

[hasty oyster]

a rare occurrence

[orchid lark]

but it doesnt help that we have to talk about it for a bit

because we have to like make a clear line in the fucking sand

[hasty oyster]

i don’t even know what happened

[orchid lark]

semantics

[hasty oyster]

Shrug

[queen laurel]

Like at this point vivid will drop by

Drop sand in our floor

And then force us to make a line or not

And most of the time we have too because well vivid

[orchid lark]

we have to type out our thoughts because we have to make sure we're not the ones going crazy

[hasty oyster]

vivid loves watching the world burn me thinks

[outer wave]

Schrodinger's Troll

[queen laurel]

Well if a vivid comes back and will pull something out of his a** again i will not even be surprised

[pine wedge]

speak for yourself I was absolutely arguing with dilara

[queen laurel]

But isn't that like what you do 24/7 with her anyway

[orchid lark]

we all argue with Dilara

Dilara always starting shit, /j

[outer wave]

Do you guys think the Imperium has Imperial-approved Vtubers?

[queen laurel]

It can't be lore chat without the

I smoke the few pounds of crack before asking this question type questions

[outer wave]

Hey it makes asking lore questions much more exciting

Or what about streamers in general, and they're just recording themselves building lasguns and munitions

Munitions Building ASMR

[pine wedge]

absolutely haram

but no, the imperium does not have internet.

[outer wave]

Damn 😔 I thought they'd have Machine Spirit signals or some shit they tell themselves

[pine wedge]

or rather it does not have a "world wide web" (or galaxy wide web) that citizens can surf freely

[outer wave]

Like its clear hivecities and such have entertainment, to whatever that implies as entertainment for the average civvie

[queen laurel]

Even the worlds with the same level of technology as earth has basically locked down their internet

[pine wedge]

yeah it's a choice, really

[outer wave]

Yeah its definitely full of propaganda and firewalled to hell

BUT there is always corruption so couldnt one of the higher ups look at the concept of streaming and go "Haha thats weird, lets try it"?

[pine wedge]

cogitators are for work purposes only, and generally confined to enclosed networks iirc. data-slates and other personal computing devices don't seem to have any "online" connectivity unless for specific, once again, work-related purposes like military or inquisitorial

hive citizens are generally not described as possessing anything akin to a personal computer of a smartphone

[outer wave]

So governors would have them but would never be used to entertainment

[pine wedge]

telecommunications mostly take place on encrypted vox channels using earbuds, not something like email or sms

even among high-tech aristocratic bodyguards

[outer wave]

Mmmm I see

[pine wedge]

that's what I've gathered anyway.

[orchid lark]

There is very little leisure time

Especially now

And even if its vtubers, its probably super propagandistic

“My best subs get to be part of the armoured infantry yayyy”

[outer wave]

Yeah hence Imperial-approved, you couldnt have the variety of Vtubers like today

You'd proabbly have slightly differing models that all say the same thing

[orchid lark]

We know porno-slates are a thing

So video format saved on shitty ipads are kinda possible

[outer wave]

40K ASMR CONTENT IS REAL

YES FINALLY

[orchid lark]

Has to be commissar approved

Or worst, its Commissar recommended because he already knows how to manipulate you to the max

[outer wave]

I guess better than falling to chaos in some way?

[rose thorn]

I made a city of sigmar, and I love it omg this is the happiest I’ve been with anything I wrote

[queen laurel]

Don't you just so love it when you create a fictional thing that is so perfect

[green loom]

Weee

[hasty oyster]

“Chatters can we get a praise the emperor in chat?”

“chat who called the inquisition on me it’s not funny?”

[outer wave]

"Chat, is this real?" Is having chaos-induced hallucinations

[hasty oyster]

“CHAT THE SPACE MARINES ARE HERE LETS SEE IF THEY CAN DO AN INTERVIEW!!”

omg imagine a press team doing a 40k battle

and whenever the press person dies someone else just grabs the press vest and pretends like nothing happened

camera man never dies tho

[outer wave]

Camera man is always a badass

"Holy hel Chat! Is that one of the Arbites roaming around outside? I need his autograph!!"

[hasty oyster]

“chat i’m not goin RIZZ up the sisters of battle”

[outer wave]

40k Jerma

"Chat, Im not gonna slap that Space Marine's butt, c'mon! They got a job to do."

[hasty oyster]

HAHSHAHA

i need it now

[hallow basin]

40k Jerma would let viewers peep the actual horror

[outer wave]

"Chat Im not gonna open this suspicious looking grimoire."

[hasty oyster]

“guys can we get an F in chat for this ultramarine who just got turned to dust?”

[orchid lark]

Jerma in 40k be like “talk more about the Imperial Creed”

[outer wave]

The inquisitor throwing a bomb into 40k Jerma's streamer room for flipping through an unapproved Imperial book: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRfctOlcO2c

[hasty oyster]

doesn’t victor fakenstien exist in 40k

frankenstein**

[hallow basin]

I don't know about literal victor frankenstein, but there are a lot of people who are like him in 40k

[outer wave]

Fabu Bile is one of those kinds of freaks

[hallow basin]

Lho sticks tier list https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CUUxzlZ9ZtE

[outer wave]

HIM EATING A CIGAR GOT ME

[wintry scarab]

Do successors ever wear their founding chapters logos?

Like on armour and texts?

[gray umbra]

Dark angels maybe?

[rocky gale]

Sometimes yes

[gray umbra]

I dont know if they count

[celest dome]

Imperial fist sometime do

[green loom]

Relics from the primogenitor might have iconography from them

Otherwise maybe as an honour mark for having fought alongside them or something

NO real hard rules for it

[wintry scarab]

thx

[rocky gale]

Soon™️

[storm jungle]

8 HOURS?

I DONT KNOW IF ILL EVEN LIVE THAT LONG

[rocky gale]

You'll just have to find the will to keep going, we have to know if we're actually getting cool Chaos lady

[outer wave]

Tall momma chaos lady.....

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/nuts-time-split-gif-13797200

[outer wave]

https://tenor.com/view/ash-baby-gif-5920695394641505768

[gray umbra]

Battlepass

[celest dome]

Yes ? No ? Why ?

[green loom]

When darktide update

[outer wave]

Fortnite Battle pass.... I just shit out my ass....

[outer wave]

So what the fuck are gnoblars exactly? They're a sort of greenskin but we never see them ever within greenskin ranks nor within chorf territory, so they gotta be their own thing right?

[celest dome]

They are an offshot of Greenskin that survived in certain places where other Greenskins weren't prevalent, there are still Gnobblar with Greenskin but it's rarer

It's possible that just like Hobgoblin they are just an evolution of the Snottling

Having been able to survive more under the Ogre's thumb than they used to in Greenskin camps.

[outer wave]

Does that imply hobgoblins also appear within greenskin camps as well?

They're likely killed though on the spot

[celest dome]

Yes cause of the backstabbing

[outer wave]

Fair fair

[green loom]

Don't ask what Arch calls them

[outer wave]

GOD DAMMIT

YOU SENT THAT TO ME

[green loom]

[outer wave]

"Well, inside ogre society...."

[green loom]

Least racist warhammer fan

[hallow basin]

how did he calls them

[green loom]

House n words

[hallow basin]

i heard they are being called nippers, do you mean that or like actual n word

[green loom]

He says the actual n word

[hallow basin]

I see

[outer wave]

No one:

Arch a few years back:

"House ni--"

He even says that his channel is rightly known for stuff like this

[celest dome]

I love that his subreddit was taken over for better uses

[outer wave]

Oh what is it used for?

[green loom]

Arches

[celest dome]

literally

[outer wave]

Oh lmao

[arctic talon]

It’s an architecture subreddit

Now

[burnt maple]

Hm. Guys,

How commonly known you think are words of Dorn:
"My order to you all is simple, yet heed it well, and exert yourselves to see it done: They are coming. Kill them all."?

At least to chapters of his heritage?

[storm jungle]

For that one it was very situational

since it was in the Siege

they had nowhere to go but stand their ground and fight the onslaught

[green loom]

I imagine if your chapter is 2nd founding from the fists you were maybe founded by some unfortunate fist officer who survived

[celest dome]

Could even have the quote be part of the hypno-therapy the chapter does
Either an original recording or a redition of it

[dusk patrol]

It’s not mentioned elsewhere but it wouldn’t be that weird if it’s a known thing he said to his chapters and in histories in general

[burnt maple]

I am of the same opinion. While not a common knowledge, I imagine this being at least a legend among Fists of any kind.

"Supposedly, our Gene-father said such words at the heights of the Siege of Terra..." - that kind of thing.

[crisp heath]

So are plagues entirely a spiritual thing in 40k or if you are incredibly strong willed you become immune to the common cold and any other sickness

[green loom]

Nope

[outer wave]

They're a mixture of physical and warp magic

Which makes them notoriously hard to cleanse (not to mention Imperial hygiene is already pretty bad)

[young pecan]

I asked the same question but in a significantly worse way one time, congratulations

[arctic talon]

diseased sylvaneth are a thing now

interesting

least deranged sigmarite

[orchid lark]

Is this literally two dudes

[arctic talon]

yes

aLphA LeGioN isn't cHaoS

[tough haven]

They’re almost certainly chaos

They might have their own goals aside from the rest of chaos but they’re still serving it

Btw are they even really active in the 41st-42nd millennia

[arctic talon]

yeah

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/713403094708387841/1220216695541600266/image.png?ex=660e225a&is=65fbad5a&hm=12952798a314bb45c897fc8ac10e4834b4a69a2b0e6e4bad28630d9e3fb5341f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=803&height=670

actual cool Leagues of Votann

Veteran Broodbrothers are a thing

neat

[nocturne crest]

Out of curiousity, but from watching the current stream, do the Admech search Necromunda for tech?

[storm jungle]

Yes

the last ones that went disappeared

I wonder who that owns an STC could have done this

[queen laurel]

Deep rock looking ****** ******

[storm jungle]

WAIT

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373256424068874260/1220216910671777833/image.png?ex=660e228e&is=65fbad8e&hm=5bcf95976f838500b67d377f8adf10075877025fd29533772dd745c77e5ea52c&

THAT RPG ISNT FOR STEEL LEGION

NOOOOO

[queen laurel]

this motha fucka Swimming

[arctic talon]

Sigmar Lied about the true cost of reforging

lmao

or at least

the final result of it

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/713403094708387841/1220220001336954880/image.png?ex=660e256e&is=65fbb06e&hm=3fe910b67cbcdb84328290700972f686965c6088430330f04138fd9bf8d5053f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1091&height=537

Also we finally get to see what happens to their eyes after too much reforging

[queen laurel]

They get the eyes of a soulless cashier working for Walmart?

[arctic talon]

yeah

there's weird lightning effects as well

in their eyes

Oh also Skaven hive city teleportation lmao

There's billions of skaven in each one

[queen laurel]

Skaven and Orks absolutely breaking someone's will to fight

[arctic talon]

lol

Also the skaven offensive is called the "vermindoom"

lol

[queen laurel]

they should call the counter offensive members exterminators

[orchid lark]

Pesticiders

[arctic talon]

oh god

AoS rewrite

💀

Rip magic

[orchid lark]

What now

[arctic talon]

AoS 4e is a total rewrite

from the ground up

[orchid lark]

Everytime I want to jump into AoS

[arctic talon]

no more weapon ranges

[orchid lark]

Something new changes

[arctic talon]

on the upside

You'll get indexhammer

[orchid lark]

Oh lorewise or gamewise?

[arctic talon]

gameplay wise

[orchid lark]

Ah okay

But wait theyre taking away range and magic away????

Whats the everloving point of this

[arctic talon]

melee weapon range

rather is going away

magic might go away

I am 99% sure it will

seeing as GW has killed it in Old world, KT2.0 and 40k

I am 99% sure they are going to kill it in AoS 4.0

[orchid lark]

At this rate its just gonna be runescape logic

Rock paper scissors

[arctic talon]

anyways dwarfs

[arctic talon]

I doubt it

but I'm more worried about wtf they're gona do to the rules

[orchid lark]

That Ironkyn is the COOLEST fucking dude ever

[arctic talon]

AoS 3.0 was like pretty much perfect

[arctic talon]

Looks sick as hell lol

[orchid lark]

Bolt Revolvers on the other hand…

[queen laurel]

Kill team single handedly carrying factions

their models look so ******* good

[orchid lark]

I just want that Ironkyn

[orchid lark]

We aint gonna get Steel Legion

[arctic talon]

Steel legion fans cucked

clearly the genestealers are onboard our ship

look at the color of their armor/j

[storm jungle]

Yooo darktide

[orchid lark]

Fucking Baldtide

[arctic talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ZSiQ8lG0fs

[orchid lark]

Vermintide 3 looks good

[storm jungle]

God damn this trailer is fucking meaty lmao

[arctic talon]

This trailer is like

in my top 3 of warhammer edition trailers

[orchid lark]

If she wore a helmet for the first two deaths

She wouldnt have to be reforged all the damn time

At least she used her helmet near the end

[arctic talon]

she died twice because she wasn't wearing a helmet

L

same as the stormcast in the AoS 3.0 trailer

[orchid lark]

Best motorcycle ad ever

[arctic talon]

When will the poster child cinematic stormcast learn

[orchid lark]

Kinda wished they used another stormcast stormhost

But it is GW

Oh to die, and come back as some sort of unliving 7-8ft tall lightning monstrosity and die and come back and die and come back again

If only we were so lucky

[arctic talon]

Lots of skryre stuff

In the trailer

[queen laurel]

Bro the part of being a medieval citizen with just normal basic fantasy equipment and the rats just proceed to ******* shoot you

[arctic talon]

The steelhelms seem way too calm lol

[queen laurel]

yeah how did they even manage to somehow allow the city come out of the ground if you know you need to travel using the portals and shit

skaven are quite literally just built different

[arctic talon]

Skaven cheating fr fr

[orchid lark]

The Endtimes is like every tuesday for AoS

The guard was just surprised it wasnt on time this time

[arctic talon]

Tbh it happens when the setting gets “bigger” so to speak

Also I don’t think an entire skaven city showing up is normal tbf

[orchid lark]

“Where’s the rats”
“Dunno, another day another pint i guess”

[arctic talon]

Skaven armies yeah but an entire fortress is spooky

[queen laurel]

Yeah that is the equivalent of thinking that this battle line you set up is good only for an ork war band to teleport in an entire ******* Titan on top of you

[arctic talon]

Like

There’s billions of skaven in that fucking thing lol

[queen laurel]

entire skaven army yes but an entire ******* skaven under city

[arctic talon]

How the hell are they gona deal with it lol

[queen laurel]

as a destruction enthusiast use Gargants

[arctic talon]

Real

[queen laurel]

if you can spare some money i would like to see how sturdy that thing is to a gate breaker gargant

[arctic talon]

Also this does line up

with The Ossiarchs hunkering down

in their fortresses

guess they found out about the "vermindoom" lol

[queen laurel]

The image of a normal person just relaxing in his house while in the other realm an entire ******* squad is getting killed is hilarious

[arctic talon]

Cities of Sigmar hear an entire Crusade got eaten alive by ghouls

and their response is to send another fucking crusade in the same direction

[orchid lark]

“Oh its almost that time of the week, come on lets get the steel ready.”

[arctic talon]

you'd think they'd run out of elves and dwarfs

to like

go on these crusades

[queen laurel]

yeah they have a surprisingly effective way of grinding down their enemies by somehow having more bodies than an entirety of earth

[orchid lark]

Nah, Shinzo Abe got reforged and is a staunch supporter of staying at home and doing your part

[arctic talon]

WHERE ARE THE DWARFS AND ELVES COMING FROM

I get humans but ????

Its not like either of those species reproduce fast lol

[orchid lark]

I think Dwarves fuck tons

What else is there to do besides commerce and mining

[queen laurel]

Don't question it man

[thorn zenith]

now i want a scene of someone getting killed by headshot a few times then putting a helmet on in frustration in the next run

[arctic talon]

tbf the stormcast pretty much does that lol, she's wearing a helmet when she shows up to fight the Skaven lol

[thorn zenith]

yea i saw that, i just want an extra bit of "fine i'll put on the helmet this time" for hilarity

[arctic talon]

fair

[orchid lark]

Sigmars like, I cant be reforging you all the time

Please just wear it

[queen laurel]

I forgot how many times does he get to reforge a Sigmarite until it becomes nothing more than a robot

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/713403094708387841/1220240992981090364/e66ngnW5KHGnV08s.jpg?ex=660e38fb&is=65fbc3fb&hm=8e4b3bc06db026bf256e11f444428f1934f9149215c27174e7b1ef58d29cd056&=&format=webp&width=835&height=670

This feels like an exploitable format

[queen laurel]

This feels like a Pokémon evolution

[orchid lark]

A lot

Lightning-gheists are kinda rare

[outer wave]

Digimon evolution....

[tulip brook]

She evolved from scout to captain

[orchid lark]

Mommy to MOMMY /j

[tulip brook]

Where's her power pack

[orchid lark]

Well at least she is a different stormhost this time

[shadow plover]

pretty hyped for the new AoS edition, haven't had the motivation and time to start a proper AoS force yet so might finally be able to do that

the trailer was great

the deterioration of sigmarines is a very interesting topic and can't go wrong with new skaven

[shadow plover]

I'll be taking that thank you

[burnt maple]

LOL

[green loom]

Tactical lightning wmd

As fucked up OP as skaven and chaos are, AoS is nice in that Order also gets weird mcguffins it can call in to help stuff

[rocky gale]

Kinda disappointed by the Abraxia model

[celest dome]

I don't dislike it, but I feel like it's not going far enough

[rocky gale]

It just looks like a generic Chaos Lord model

Like it doesn't scream "Unique character" it instead mildly whispers "Chaos Lord on lizard thing"

[celest dome]

Yeah

Was hoping to have a Chaos equivalent to Tahlia Vedra

[rocky gale]

Very disappointing when you look at all the other Dawnbringer models recently

Like these are impressive centrepiece models that stand out completely from everything else around them while still fitting the themes of their army.

[celest dome]

The 1st one not as much tbh

It doesn't scream "LORD" as much as the other

[shadow plover]

Herald of Decay is probably the greatest character model GW has released

[rocky gale]

It was with the first wave of Dawnbringer models so they were less standout, but it's still an amazing model

Like she's supposed to be the counterpart to Eternus who has that look of a unique model

Except his model has an alternate build which is a more generic Chaos Lord on Horse

[green loom]

I really love her mount

[rocky gale]

Her model looks like it's already the generic version

[coarse pumice]

The generic lord looks really cool

The horse one

[green loom]

I like these ones

[rocky gale]

Maybe I'd like her more with an alternate paint scheme, because Eternus looks visually unique colourwise, if you painted him with the default Black Chaos Knight look he'd probably stand out less even with his unique bits.

But personally if I was tasked with redesigning Abraxia, I'd probably start by removing her shield and mount.

[green loom]

I'd keep the mount tbh

[queen laurel]

what's wrong with the mount

[rocky gale]

The mount is cool, but it also feels like it's the main focus of the model rather than the actual character

[green loom]

Maybe make it freakier

[celest dome]

Keep the mount change the head maybe ? Or give it folded wings ?

[queen laurel]

the leg symbol huh

[green loom]

I think it might be that the contrast between it's blue skin and the armour draws your eye and the icon doesn't help, while Abraxia is the same colours as it's armour plates so doesn't catch the eye as much

[queen laurel]

yeah the symbol is way too eye catching

[rocky gale]

Like Tahlia Vedra is an impressive model with a larger mount and smaller character, but Tahlia herself still stands out as a main focus point of the model. Abraxia doesn't do that.

[queen laurel]

something like Gordrakk yeah?

Their mounts are certainly made to be impressive but they are still eye-catching enough to take you away from it

[rocky gale]

Yea, both of those models the characters stand out and appear active within the model, while Abraxia seems so passive and background compared to her own mount

[queen laurel]

i agree her mount is certainly more eye-catching than a normal chaos lord but it's not helping her stand out

[green loom]

Cabbage

[rocky gale]

Her shield really doesn't help, remove it and replace with like an upraised hand wreathed in flame like her spear is and it does more to draw the eye.

[queen laurel]

Bigteef is Green so he is pretty much

[green loom]

Cabbage

[queen laurel]

yes

[rocky gale]

Cry havoc and let slip the cabbage of war

[celest dome]

Give her a hunting horn, I love horns

[coarse pumice]

No wings, only one head

[queen laurel]

they do have wings but they knuckle walk when they are on land and they only use it to glide

[rocky gale]

They're talking about Abraxia's mount

[queen laurel]

oh shit

yeah i'm stupid i agree with that sentiment

i do not think that turning it into a multiple headed dragon would work though

[celest dome]

Was it about having more than 1 head or about having possible variant choices ?

[queen laurel]

maybe two heads

Removing the giant symbol on the legs would definitely allow it to attract more attention to Abraxia

But that's what makes the mount very iconic

[nocturne crest]

I wonder if you could use this in place of the 40k csm rider.

[rocky gale]

The size might be off

[balmy tusk]

Chunky boys

[storm jungle]

Mafioso

[celest dome]

Ironkin wearing a vest

[rocky gale]

Yea both the new Killteam models look great

And the new Chaos Lord models 😳

[queen laurel]

Is it just me or do they look more fantasy ish

[green loom]

The foot lord definitely takes some notes from Slaves to Darkness minis

[rocky gale]

Yea with the fur cloak

[queen laurel]

Yeah i see it

The cloak definitely adds more fantasy elements

[rocky gale]

Plus two Battleforce boxes for Chaos, they're going to eat well

[rose thorn]

And combat patrol was leaked

[rocky gale]

Ohhh really?

[rose thorn]

Mop, csm, cultists, and either chosen or termites I can’t remember

Let me grab the pciture

[rose thorn]

https://preview.redd.it/new-csm-combat-patrol-v0-81rm8lygvlpc1.jpeg?auto=webp&s=15fe08f27035aa3650f7c05358adbbcc16e5c133

Oh not even leak they just forgot to post it

Good thing to buy once or twice

[rocky gale]

Ohh so Master of Possession, 10 Legionaries, 5 possessed and 10 Cultists

[rose thorn]

Yes

[rocky gale]

Current one is 10 legionaries, 5 Havocs, Dark Apostle + 2 Dark acolytes and a Hellbrute.

Probably prefer the new one tbh

[rose thorn]

Yee

[orchid lark]

Both boxes are pretty flavourable

But possessed chaos marines are cooler looking

[arctic talon]

The new one feels very word bearer coded lol

[orchid lark]

Good, the best 40k Chaos Legion

Slap some daemons on that group and we’re in for a party

[rose thorn]

The best part about making a CSM warband is you can literlaly just be a legion but you change a color you don’t like

[green loom]

I can't believe Shrink Rae survived

[storm jungle]

LMAO same

[tulip brook]

when I looked at csm reveals I realized I could've just waited a few months before buying unit packs and get them with big discounts

now I have good parts of the both boxes

[rocky gale]

The exact issue I've had with the new Spearhead boxes for both Cities and Flesh Eaters

I got the Cavalier Marshal and an Abhorrant Archregent separate and then a month or two later they released discount boxes including both of those characters alongside other units I was planning to get.

[rose thorn]

Good thing AOS players don’t need to buy that garbage (old world slander)

The new dwarf models will look amazing in cities of sigmar (old world slander)

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

[rose thorn]

I’ve been thinking of making a list of nice old world models one can use for the city command corp or other other cities models

[rocky gale]

If Old World players knew how to install Discord they would be very upset by this.

[rose thorn]

Also I’m pretty sure they are gonna change how shooting works in 4th considering the court meme they sent recognizing the problem but didn’t say an answer

So only base size matters

Skeletons are skeletons so no need to do tomb kings

The guy on the left

Could be uh

I was thinking the necromancer warden or the banner

[rocky gale]

The new Bretonnian foot knights would make great Steelhelms

[rose thorn]

Yeee

This guy could make a rune priest orrrr

Really any dwarf character

Having multiple races in a command corp would be very cool tho

Also orruks are orruks they are self explanatory

[green loom]

I'm happy dorfs got 4 models

Ungrim!

[rose thorn]

Dwarf models are cities model so im happy about it too

Side note

Who the fuck would buy this

[coarse pumice]

he looks fun

[rose thorn]

He looks like a racist stereotype

[rocky gale]

Average Scotsman tbh

[rose thorn]

Better then the giant model

https://tenor.com/view/caught-in4k-4k-camera-caught-sus-gif-20846600

[rocky gale]

I'm Irish, I'm allowed to say it.

[rose thorn]

Caught in 4k im@telling James workshop

[nocturne crest]

TIL that there are steam tanks in AOS.

[green loom]

And Fantasy too

[coarse pumice]

been around for a while too

[arctic talon]

Steam tanks in AoS are on the lower end of tech

[coarse pumice]

big piece of metal originally

[green loom]

AoS does have space ships

[arctic talon]

there's even bigger steam tanks with legs called Cog Forts

Those are lizard men and skaven only tbf

and skaven space ships are usually one way lol

[coarse pumice]

there's this thing

[green loom]

Don't the Tzeentch folks have Silver spires in space too

[arctic talon]

yeah

but those aren't really space ships imo

[green loom]

Also Kharadron as a faction in general

[arctic talon]

Khadron have flying boats

🤓

[green loom]

Yeah but they advanced

[arctic talon]

but yeah this is a Cog Fort

there's also this one

[coarse pumice]

Lv1 crook
Lv10 hitman
Lv35 boss

[viral halo]

Fine I'll say the most controversial warhammer opinion that's ever left my mouth and I'm done with being afraid to say it

Stormcast Eternals are cool

https://tenor.com/view/billy-herrington-dotman3-gif-18657921

[storm jungle]

Very controversial

[arctic talon]

Cold take

not ice cold

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

but def not as hot as it used to be lol

[viral halo]

I wish more people played AOS in my area

however, the stores always have immaculate AOS stock aside from warcry

there's a huge warcry scene

mfs love their skirmish games

[storm jungle]

I mean they always did

AoS has been dark as shit since its inception

the artwork for it was just not as plentiful

[viral halo]

The artwork was all giving noblebright

which immediately caused the oldheads to SHIT ON IT

[storm jungle]

Eh kinda

its not that big of a shift

[viral halo]

Tis mas grande then you think amiga

as soon as that cities of sigmar line came out mfs started purchasing it in hordes

[green loom]

Yeah I enjoy AOS

[viral halo]

Big daddy Archaon

[coarse pumice]

his FB model looked better

[storm jungle]

Bro we've been getting minis like that before lol

[viral halo]

Rook Knight caused a huge stir

[storm jungle]

Can you stop living in a moldy basement with your rogue trader magazines for a single day.

[viral halo]

Especially from ppl not exposed to AOS

[storm jungle]

Nah they did

lmao

AoS has been making badass minis for years now

no idea why people think we peaked at the crow knight

[viral halo]

but it feels like with the CoS line and post that they've really been cruising with nothing but cool shit that people generally love

[storm jungle]

Pretty much yeah

[viral halo]

Like I'm agreeing with you in principle

[storm jungle]

AoS's EVERY release has a badass model

[viral halo]

but now it's like I see every one going nuts over it

In a good way

post CoS revamp

AoS does have the best models

[storm jungle]

Generic chaos lord vs World Satan

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-cat-skate-funny-meme-gif-18666878

[coarse pumice]

looks like a mess

[rocky gale]

The Reddit may not have noticed beforehand, but there are many things Redditors don't notice

[coarse pumice]

and it's missing a head

[viral halo]

My brain says they only made archaon this epic centerpiece so he'd be impossible to recast cleanly

[storm jungle]

Good way to describe most FB minis

[coarse pumice]

because of their ill-fated attempt on replacing slaanesh

[storm jungle]

the what

[coarse pumice]

look at mount

[storm jungle]

Slaanesh was never getting replaced so idk where you got that from.

Archaon just did with what he had at the time

[coarse pumice]

slaanesh went on hiatus in AoS and in 40k was about to get deleted by Eldrad

[storm jungle]

No lol

[coarse pumice]

but they backed down

[storm jungle]

Thats just a dumb rumor

[coarse pumice]

and flushed the ynnari storyline down the toilet

[outer wave]

Could someone tell me whats the difference between the stormcast eternals and space marines? I know the former are more grimdark in the sense that they have the losing memory schtick, but is there anything else to them?

[storm jungle]

Stormcast Eternals are Order Chaos Warriors