Maybe lumineth realm lords faction?
#40k-lore-chat
rose thorn
arctic talon
Might be CoS tied still
rocky gale
If DoK aren't getting a range refresh soon then the entire thing with Krethusa is kind of a massive flop, because her rules exclude half the DoK range and the half that it excludes are all of the new models in the Range.
arctic talon
Same with wood elves and Sylvaneth
It feels like GW wants to keep more "the world that was" esque stuff tied to Cities
at least in my eyes
rocky gale
Not to mention how it kinda messes up the DoK battalions (every single DoK battalion includes Scathborn)
rose thorn
Yeah but we lost those two major parts of cities
arctic talon
I agree
rose thorn
Well the models are still being made for old world
arctic talon
which is why GW might add them back into cities
someday
but with like
AoS
stuff
rose thorn
So we should get a replacement
arctic talon
not reused fantasy stuff
rose thorn
It would be weird for them to drop rules and keep the models
For a different game
space marines
arctic talon
idk
rose thorn
AOS has been popping off and all this danwbringer stuff has directly been related to army boxes and like refreshes
rose thorn
With Soulblight being the uh
Considering literally living city has pictures of wood elves on their banner
And bird elves having lore in the new battletomb
They kept the ancient pirate elves and dwarf models
rocky gale
Hmm I missed this one
rose thorn
Hmm I missed this one
I asked about it, its for a new book
rocky gale
Nice
rose thorn
I forgot what their name is but it’s that new uh
Those models we just got
I hope we get genetic witch hunters
rocky gale
Oh it was like Tol and Coil or something like that
rose thorn
Yea
rocky gale
Callis and Toll
rose thorn
Yeaaa
I heard it’s a really good book
What’s everyone’s wishlist for 4th
I hope we get customizable sub factions like how 9th guard and custom GSCs were
Makes pet units better while also making the internal meta a bit more diverse
Keeping the system as it is tho wouldn’t suck
arctic talon
What’s everyone’s wishlist for 4th
AoS 4th? Them not gutting the magic system. Beyond that customizable sub factions would be fun and detach paint from subfaction rules like 40K did in 10e
rose thorn
Lmao
rose thorn
AoS 4th? Them not gutting the magic system. Beyond that customizable sub faction...
Luckily AOS doesn’t have a rule unlike 8th 40k
For paint
arctic talon
Lmao
I’m just praying they don’t fuck the magic system over
And if they do it’s more like Old Worlds
rocky gale
My wish for 4th is that only the factions I like get cool models 
young pecan
Imagine selling your soul to something that only sorta actually exists
rose thorn
I want more units that have spells that aren’t like single model
Maybe even battle line too
crisp heath
Why does all the official sisters of battle art look super young and all the minis look super old. Where is the middle ground. Where is adepta cougaritas
orchid lark
Smoking inside the HQ battle command because theyre tired
bold wren
Nazis believed in werewolves, and supernatural creatures. So the inspiration for 40k makes sense even more so. Just thought it was interesting.
At least how insane people can be
And how they actually skinned people
shadow grove
Who starts a topic like this
bold wren
I'm just saying it's a satire on all these things, so of course there is inspiration when everything is grim dark.
I don't see why it would be disturbing mentioning how fucked up things are, and 40k is just that hyped up.
shadow grove
I know the helldivers ceo is a warhammer fan but I thought I'd point out that there's an unused weapons that got data mined and one of themselves called crossbow_greyfax
Very cool
coarse pumice
In one of their old games, there’s a place called James’ Workshop iirc
celest dome
Magica iirc, but I think
burnt maple
Exactly. Well, let there be a hammer of war!
tulip brook
Iirc the guy has 5 different armies or so
crystal forum
if he isn't a guard player i'd be very surprised
tulip brook
I don't think he is
"Imperial Fists, Ultramarines, Death Guard, and two Tyranid armies. "
I guess they mean he has 4k points of nids
versed ledge
How many mini is that for 4k?
crystal forum
depends what type of nid player
like guard it can go from like 10000 guardsmen to a couple of big units
tulip brook
Ballpark of 100 models I'm guessing
radiant lance
10,000 guardsmen is just the correct way to build an imperial guard army
versed ledge
Does it include heavy weapons teams, armor support?
crystal forum
lore accurate guard match
queen laurel
https://youtu.be/RMkssPSfjYY?si=Vkja2ZwrbaQ2wI17
man i can only imagine how painful the shooting must have been
crystal forum
my own theory about why GW won't make a video game version of the tabletop is that pure zerg lists would crash the engine every time
queen laurel
my own theory about why GW won't make a video game version of the tabletop is th...
imagine an ork player cheesing the game and getting a Stompa on like turn 15
or an eldar player just absolutely outspeeding most of your assaults because they are faster
rose thorn
is there a metareason why the imerpium cant event, like is there a reason teh writers wrote it that way
it doesnt seem like it does like, anything for the lore
queen laurel
is there a metareason why the imerpium cant event, like is there a reason teh wr...
what do you mean
rose thorn
okay so in lore, admech bacioally said no inventing allowed in the imperium
but wHYyy did they write that
queen laurel
but wHYyy did they write that
it's the emperor
rose thorn
i know but teh meta reason
like irl reason
for writing that
'no no this new thing isnt invented it was uh, discovered of course'
what is one good reason for writing it that way
shadow grove
There's a big theme of decay that used to be apart of the imperium post heresy
queen laurel
'no no this new thing isnt invented it was uh, discovered of course'
after years upon years of not inventing basically turned the mechanicals into only relying to their blueprints
rose thorn
just, make resources hell
queen laurel
hell new weapons are basically just rediscovered dark age of technology tech
And of course literally innovating can get you killed in the mechanicus
And even if they begin making new stuff now at best it would only be dark age of technology level
rose thorn
outside of in lore reason
shadow grove
They just wanted to show how stale the imperium was
crystal forum
okay so in lore, admech bacioally said no inventing allowed in the imperium
lore wise it's because humanity got fucked over by their own hubris during the dark age of tech. marketing wise it's grimdank and sounds cool
rose thorn
lore wise it's because humanity got fucked over by their own hubris during the d...
it jsut makes writing lroe harder or make new iperium models just have wierd lore
crystal forum
i've seen people apply the tech regression idea to so many IP's even though it's a uniquely stupid idea
it's like people read dune and all they got from it is "tech bad?"
rose thorn
i've seen people apply the tech regression idea to so many IP's even though it's...
in other setting at leasts its like 'we dont wanna waste resources' or 'religion says bad'
the imerpium says they have extremely large amounts of supplies to make shit as dumb as titans
and then say they have so little resources the military is armed with fake balistic armor
just,
crystal forum
they'll keep talking about how rare and hard to make these super weapons are then 1000 die in a book
it's like when a tv show hypes up a character before killing them immediately
rose thorn
they introduce new mod els with new tech
and then explain it as jonny 5-3z found it in the mcdonalds dumpster
like stuff made by caal is pretty funny because the lore blantanly states he is lying
but then rogal dorn tank
are we supposed ot belive it existed this whole time
rose thorn
it doenst help making lore, it just makes homebrew harder and making in lore lore harder to introduce new shit
old 40k lore continues to knee cap it self and makes new lore harder
arctic talon
it's like people read dune and all they got from it is "tech bad?"
Dune isn’t even tech bad 💀
Beyond the no thinking machines thing
They literally use swords because it’s the only real option lol
And because Herbert wanted people to stab each other with swords in space
crystal forum
Dune isn’t even tech bad 💀
that's what i'm sayin
arctic talon
The only thing Herbert liked more then cocaine was the light of allah
And by god did he love cocaine
crystal forum
all the best writers did
celest dome
That's a Pestilen unit in the waiting
queen laurel
That's a Pestilen unit in the waiting
i almost thought this was fantasy
arctic talon
Lol
versed ledge
Awww must be a pet
rose thorn
That's a Pestilen unit in the waiting
buy 2 of these and have the best unit of giant rats ever
in aos
rocky gale
And these two are coming as well
spring cairn
bad rat owners, didn't even get rid of the skull stuck in it's back spike thingy
rocky gale
He likes it
spring cairn
you clearly are not a good rat owner
celest dome
You clearly aren't a rat owner
If they wanted to have it off they would take it off
rocky gale
Impressive, all but one of the factions in AoS are within the accepted 10% bracket for winrate
proven needle
Impressive, all but one of the factions in AoS are within the accepted 10% brack...
Visualizing this as a bar chart makes my statistics heart cry out in pain.
rose thorn
Impressive, all but one of the factions in AoS are within the accepted 10% brack...
unlike 40k atm lmao
rose thorn
Impressive, all but one of the factions in AoS are within the accepted 10% brack...
im a kruleboyz player
rocky gale
unlike 40k atm lmao
They didn't even release a graph for the latest 40k Metawatch, so goodness knows how badly it's looking 
Nothing will ever beat the first one after the launch of 10th edition though, with more factions outside the target bracket than inside it
rose thorn
Nothing will ever beat the first one after the launch of 10th edition though, wi...
holy shit
this sis so fuckint bad
rocky gale
It's not as bad anymore, but jeez it was bad at launch
rocky gale
Like the only reason Aeldari weren't higher is because they were so powerful that everyone was playing them so they were all fighting each other, like the top 5 rankings in every tournament at the time were all Aeldari players
I think if you removed games where Aeldari fought themselves their actual winrate was almost 90%
rose thorn
jolly bramble
rose thorn
im waitng for 40k to even out, then ill think about getting back into it
ive been on a pretyt big burn out on 40k
rocky gale
The latest one they released wasn't bad tbh, only Aeldari and Necron were above the target bracket and only by like 1%
crystal forum
Nothing will ever beat the first one after the launch of 10th edition though, wi...
i've always super hated these lazy ass methods of balancing things in video games and everything else
win rates do so little to represent actual data
if a team does better purely by a higher average skill it gets nerfed
rocky gale
You clearly never played a game against Aeldari or Genestealer Cults on launch, they needed nerfed badly and the winrates as well as a lot of other factors showed that
Obviously they take a lot of other factors into consideration such as playrate, Tournament results/rankings, point scores etc, but Winrate is just the most basic way to show the community the general state of the game
Like by Winrate alone in the last Metawatch where they showed the results I think Drukhari was at like 46% or 47% which is inside the target bracket, but in the latest balance slate that released afterwards they got buffed decently and received a new detachment which is amazing and improved the army massively because although they were within the bracket, they had an incredibly low number of players, I think the lowest faction in the game, resulting in their winrate being higher than it should have been because basically only the most skilled/determined players were still playing them.
viral halo
I'm always happy that my main army is dogshit every edition
thank you dark eldar for always being there for me
bright garden
Impressive, all but one of the factions in AoS are within the accepted 10% brack...
Oh damn I didn't expect fantasy space Marines to get shit on
crisp heath
I have started the rogue trader game since everyone was talking about it in this channel
bright garden
Abelard, commend the peasant for me
crisp heath
Cannot decide how I’m gonna play my snobbish noble officer, he doesn’t really like following orders, he doesn’t really like tentacles growing out of his face like a heretic, and doesn’t really care about saving other peoples lives
crisp heath
Just can’t decide which path to go down
Ain’t even touching heretic, cringe
But also in the prologue I don’t wanna walk through the fire, where is my option to force the peasants to shield me with their bodies instead?
I am a noble after all, I’m way more important lol
bright garden
🤔🤔🤔 I think sometimes you'll have to bite the bullet of circumstance and grumble to abelard after
crystal forum
Obviously they take a lot of other factors into consideration such as playrate, ...
no they don't, i can guarantee you they only look at win rates. pretty much all game designers i've seen were horrible at data interpretation
and GW doesn't give a shit about rules they're a model company that pretends to be about a game
rocky gale
I literally just told you what they do and gave you an example of it, but sure go off King.
crystal forum
it was a shitty example
rocky gale
So them giving major buffs to a faction that was within the acceptable winrate because it was failing in other metrics, is a "shitty example" of how they look at metrics other than just winrate?
crystal forum
they buff and nerf seemingly random factions all the time. they're just lazy idk what's hard to comprehend
a broken clock is right twice a day or whatever
it's whatever the marketing team cooks up as an idea to sell more models
rocky gale
I fully understand GW is not a great company (and yes GW wants to sell more models) but you've clearly no idea what you're talking about, the balancing department for Warhammer is basically one of the most transparent aspects of the company, they have made multiple posts where they describe their processes and how they gather data and how they use it. As well as have regular podcasts to discuss current situations and address areas of concern.
arctic talon
Oh damn I didn't expect fantasy space Marines to get shit on
They even get shit on in lore lol
If you like having named characters die in horrible and painful ways
Stormcast
bright garden
They even get shit on in lore lol
I mean, I know the fantasy fans shit on them regularly
celest dome
AoS fans quite like them now
bright garden
:o
rocky gale
They were kinda goofy at first but then again all of AoS was, but like the rest it got fixed over time
bright garden
In a parallel vein, despite all the writing and GW nonsense, I'm slowly being desensitized to space marines but I still like most things space marine and thus by adjacent, I like the look of the stormcast
arctic talon
their first wave of minis also didn’t help lol
Which were just
Literal fantasy marines
With the same scale
rocky gale
Yea I much prefer the new sleaker designs
arctic talon
Stormcast have a much lankier look now
They just look like a taller human person
Proportionally
Also some of the old stormcast had way too much detail
storm jungle
Yeah they are just Order Chaos Warriors now
arctic talon
They’re just taller guys visually now
Which really helps with them not looking like
storm jungle
People are just stupid and think anything with big pauldrons as Marines usually
arctic talon
Weird
arctic talon
People are just stupid and think anything with big pauldrons as Marines usually
Tbf old stormcast literally had space marine proportions on the minis
rocky gale
Damn the old design had a very flat angular butt
arctic talon
No ass
storm jungle
Their ass was literally a square
arctic talon
Like stormcast hit the point of too much detail
Which is hilarious
Like this is way too much armor bits
viral halo
and GW doesn't give a shit about rules they're a model company that pretends to ...
this is the most correct statement ever made
AoS has the best model designs I've ever seen from warhammer
every model oozes personality aside from some of the launch ones
rocky gale
If you want to see the opposite of the Stormcast square ass, look at the Cities War Surgeon, that doctor in unnecessarily cheeked up
crisp heath
Their ass was literally a square
We found him, Lara Croft's boyfriend
Which mini from any 40k setting is most cheeked up
arctic talon
Which mini from any 40k setting is most cheeked up
Old ork boyz
They’re throwing it back
bright garden
I'd say Nurgle
arctic talon
Operative umbral six has a nice ass
To make up for the vindicare having a non existent one
crisp heath
The great unclean one is the closest thing we have to a nurgle mini, but while it has a large ass by volume, proportionally it's saggy and sad
not cheeked, sorry
bright garden
coarse pumice
The 5th edition Lilith Hesperax
rocky gale
Na like I said, the Freeguild War Surgeon
bright garden
Fancy
green loom
Na like I said, the Freeguild War Surgeon
Doubles as a baker
rose thorn
Na like I said, the Freeguild War Surgeon
river walrus
Not remmember much from lots of older mission but. Last mission was... closed call? Close call, last mission almost got Ulgo killed. Zola sent team in. Was part of them. Found out was not good idea. Sent to capture a leut- lete- lue- sent to capture heretic leader's underboss. Rannick did not like that we were there. Was ordered to extract but was told only extracted if we kill twins. Ordered not to die by Rannick, so order was followed. Killed lots of heretic, more than normal. Hound wounded bad a lil un. A zealot, father victor was name. Had to carry him. Insisted on letting him fight. Did not let him ho. When we met the heretic underboss everything went bad. Sparkhead exploded because tol many, veteran almost blew themselves up. Plasma gun overcharged. Ulgo ran out of ammo. Had to kill them with club. Too close for Ulgo
radiant lance
I feel like Stormcast Eternals were GW thinking "hm. what if we put space marines in fantasy?"
river walrus
Not remmember much from lots of older mission but. Last mission was... closed ca...
@storm jungle better than last time? What need rework?
arctic talon
I feel like Stormcast Eternals were GW thinking "hm. what if we put space marine...
they're literally just Order Chaos Warriors
who can revive on death
storm jungle
<@166943308231344128> better than last time? What need rework?
Very good! 
river walrus
Very good! <:thumbsup_ogryn:1063452727302180926>
Happy to hear! Listenned to feedback and improved! Thanking you for it little one!
crisp heath
Would the galaxy be any worse off if the drukari were wiped out?
rocky gale
Yes, it would make me very sad 
orchid lark
Eldar having a safer control of Commoragh and the webway would be great tho
storm jungle
Would the galaxy be any worse off if the drukari were wiped out?
Dark Eldar are not big players in the galactic scene and wish to be so at their own leisure, it would make practically zero impact
balmy tusk
rocky gale
Could it be?
queen laurel
He could definitely use new toe models
Some warhammer 40k armor having toes makes me wonder about the design team
river walrus
No
rocky gale
There have been some worryingly detailed feet recently
Like I love the Krethusa model, but I can't help but think that Tarantino was involved in the design process
coarse pumice
Vintage models are like Warp Spiders and Vyper Jetbikes. The Sanguinor is quite new 
rocky gale
14 years old at this point and it's resin, so yea it's due for a replacement
rocky gale
Plus it's Space Marine so it will actually get that replacement unlike Warp Spiders and Vyper Jetbikes
coarse pumice
I’m surprised they updated the Warlocks
There were warlocks that were legitimately rogue trader era
queen laurel
Warp Spiders are prob gonna be a future kill-team
That's if they're lucky
Eldar gets dunked on harder than a basketball ring in in an nba game
coarse pumice
At least Warp Spiders are from 2nd
storm jungle
It made sense because at that point a good chunk of eldar models were still unupdated
so easier to do a small range refresh on the main generic units first
now we are getting the others through kill-team, not the worst trade
coarse pumice
I got the whole box for both my armies
I don’t know what scout formation to do, and they invalidated my old scout sniper squad
storm jungle
The future is now my friend.
coarse pumice
At least with Eldar, nothing changes because the models don’t change
storm jungle
LOL
coarse pumice
I actually don’t have bolter or shotgun scouts
I had a set of snipers and close combat scouts
Though they squatted my scout speeder
I was like one of the three people who liked that one
And the ironclad dreadnought, does it resemble any modern space marine dread?
Wait is that one gone?
storm jungle
They all look the same idk
rocky gale
Na trust me the Ironclad is visibly dumber looking than all the others
storm jungle
people love the slop
rocky gale
"What weapons should it have?"
"Yes"
queen laurel
Na trust me the Ironclad is visibly dumber looking than all the others
This thing was supposed to be incredibly heavier and be better at sieging right
Basically the mk3 armor of dreadnoughts
rocky gale
Yea and I think there are even versions where it has more rockets
queen laurel
You're telling me that the original iron coffin wasn't already deadly enough
storm jungle
Could use more missiles
queen laurel
Sheesh
queen laurel
someone post the dorito pattern
Sounds like an actual pattern to me
Triangle shaped dreadnoughts
rocky gale
storm jungle
There it is lol
shadow plover
the greatest fucking thing ever built by the imperium
shadow plover
silence
storm jungle
crystal forum
man autocannons make me feel emotions
shadow plover
rocky gale
Fuck I only just noticed that it also has Storm Bolters in it's chest
storm jungle
its based on an older goofier dreadnaught model
crystal forum
makes you wonder where tf the sarcophagus is
the space marine's just a thumb at that point
storm jungle
shadow plover
Fuck I only just noticed that it also has Storm Bolters in it's chest
Heavy* Bolters 😎
storm jungle
makes you wonder where tf the sarcophagus is
In the middle where it always is
queen laurel
F****** titan fall looking ass
storm jungle
KEK
shadow plover
I want this model so fuckign bad
rocky gale
This is all that's left of the Marine in the Dreadnought
shadow plover
the person inside doesn't have their head inside the head looking thing
it's just a bundle of servos
crystal forum
i've seen people say that but where in lore is that ever stated
shadow plover
I can't tell the exact books but many Heresy books where a dreadnought is featured it is mentinoed
rocky gale
Heavy* Bolters 😎
shadow plover
it's basically so the operator is less disoriented operating the thing by having an anchor point like a familiar replacement for a head
whilst being submerged in the sealed coffin inside the torso
shadow plover
<a:Perish:1210364505821937725>
didn't mean to dunk on you, wanted to point out that it is in fact even COOLER
storm jungle
i've seen people say that but where in lore is that ever stated
Any and all novels.
You cant really expect how mangled a marine is gonna get before internment
you fucking ice cube brained basta-
rocky gale
didn't mean to dunk on you, wanted to point out that it is in fact even COOLER
No no, I have made a lore mistake and as such must be ritually humbled
shadow plover
understandable
orchid lark
i hope new sanguinor is modelled by the AoS team
orchid lark
i mean lion was sexy as shit
queen laurel
AoS team cooks sexy shit
Me wondering if the aos team hogs the budget
orchid lark
the assault captain was not bad too
celest dome
AoS deserve so much more, it's art and miniature is just an untapped market
queen laurel
Because fuck me this is the best fantasy boar i have ever seen
queen laurel
AoS deserve so much more, it's art and miniature is just an untapped market
Shame it is getting absolutely railroaded by basically everyone
celest dome
And is still in its trash game era
rocky gale
I look at AoS getting models like this and I can't help but think of the deluded people who genuinely think GW is abandoning AoS to make Old World.
celest dome
I think Old World will die again quite fast 
storm jungle
die
queen laurel
And is still in its trash game era
Surprisingly realms of ruin hasn't given up that much
orchid lark
realms of ruin is visually nice, im okay with it still
queen laurel
I hope so
I genuinely look at people that would buy those crusty looking models and say they are the best looking gw has to offer with serious mental illness
celest dome
Yeah, but the design behind it is bad
It's an Rts but for consoles
orchid lark
yeah dont get me started on that
queen laurel
Yeah arguments
orchid lark
theres so many things it wants to pretend to be with its controls and stuff
like theres a lot of RTS styles that worked on consoles
and they just couldnt fucking learn from it
because it apparently has to feel normal for returning players or whatever the fuck
it clashes so much with gameplay dynamic
thank god you dont have to move a lot but man
burnt maple
Happens when one tries to appease console peasants.
orchid lark
to be fair, having controller accsess is good optics for disabled players, never hurts to make things accessible
queen laurel
thank god you dont have to move a lot but man
And looking at the animations don't get me wrong but i feel like it doesn't feel as powerful as it should be
orchid lark
And looking at the animations don't get me wrong but i feel like it doesn't feel...
for sure
to be fair an actual lore accurate age of sigmar fight would just be constant flashbangs
queen laurel
for sure
Like you would expect a hit from a mirebrute troggoth to feel very hard hitting but with the game
I just don't feel any feedback from the hits
orchid lark
do i want more of the game, i mean
yeah
cause its the best we got for a digital AoS so far
i do like dressing up my dollies and action figures in both real life and digital so
i am unfortunately a target customer
i shudder to think how much i would spend if Neopets made a new console or pc game
queen laurel
cause its the best we got for a digital AoS so far
I definitely want more factions the game does have potential and the story isn't even that bad
orchid lark
I definitely want more factions the game does have potential and the story isn't...
an unfortunate case of we gotta wait and see
queen laurel
an unfortunate case of we gotta wait and see
Yep an unfortunate one indeed
rose thorn
Storm cast or plague priest?
orchid lark
some people are thinking Sanguinor
rocky gale
Leaks have suggested both a new Sanguinor and a Jump Pack Cannoness are coming this Summer, so probably either of those
Also the Stormcast parchment is usually different, they have engraved runes
coarse pumice
Age of Sigmar the Old World
They should make this, using the models in a prequel to WHFB during the time Sigmar was alive
Then it’s like a full circle time loop
rose thorn
I was thinking Celestine prime but yeah probably sang
rose thorn
Storm cast or plague priest?
I need to see how AOS and 40k paint their paper is the thing
I’m pretty sure there’s a pattern but I don’t remember
rocky gale
Stormcast parchment is always like this with engravings rather than writing
coarse pumice
I think Old World will die again quite fast <:Guarded:972247035128447086>
Why?
I guess GW will GW
But it’s not like Legion Inperialis
I guess LI was doomed to fall flat for me (and many others) due to lack of xenos
rocky gale
Why?
Probably the same reason WHFB died, it didn't make much money because all the models were incredibly basic and generic fantasy/historical designs so it was too easy for people to proxy models from other companies for cheaper.
coarse pumice
Probably the same reason WHFB died, it didn't make much money because all the mo...
It did make money, it was just extremely mismanaged by GW towards the end
queen laurel
And if i remember didn't warhammer fantasy kind of sucked as a game
coarse pumice
It was a good game in terms of fun, but not balance, which their answer was to make balance worse
The competitive scene in Europe was quite big
Locally it was bigger than 40K for my area before 8th edition
8th edition haemorrhaged the entire player base here
Basically the old game was about manoeuvring your OP units to sweep your opponent and get a good charge on their OP units
8th made the OP units basically optimised to be as big as possible (bad for new players), while the way to deal with them were wacky/swingy kill spells
Win rates numerically were more even but the game was less of a game than before. Players missed the ‘fiddlyness’, and the way the optimal units were favoured being inhospitable to new players
rose thorn
Stormcast parchment is always like this with engravings rather than writing
Ag okay, maybe the dots match the pattern and maybe a symbol looks like that E, but it’s probably 40k
rocky gale
It did make money, it was just extremely mismanaged by GW towards the end
It probably made money, but like I've talked to a bunch of the old heads who played Fantasy and honestly for pretty much all of them that I've talked to the scraping of Fantasy didn't change anything, it upset them because they felt it was GW betraying the community, but they also just continued operating as they had beforehand, they ignored the rules they didn't like, played the rules that they liked and collected most of their models from other Historical games that would sell things like Knights, Militia, Crusaders and Vikings etc that made good proxies but came in boxes that had double the number of models for half the price. The only thing they kinda complained about was that they would have got the "Cool character" models from GW but that was pretty much it, everything else was got elsewhere.
So while it made money, from GW's perspective it wasn't making as much money as it should have been
The usage of Perry Miniatures especially was incredibly common for example (and still is)
Like even now, you could get a box of Perry Miniature foot knights which would make for great Empire Knights for £22 and it's got 38 models in it.
Vs the new Bretonnian foot knights which is £50 for 20
storm jungle
Yeah saying Fantasy made money is the most cap thing ive heard
I was around at that time almost nobody was buying anything from the range lol
The game was just AWFUL
coarse pumice
If it was 8th then that’s when GW went full meme
Literally everyone stopped then
Over here
There were also issues during 7th when codex creep hit like a truck
And insane prices
The £50 for 20 is in todays money, but imagine the same for yesterdays money
queen laurel
Yeah saying Fantasy made money is the most cap thing ive heard
And the only reason why warhammer fantasy is as popular as it is now is because of quite literally total war
Without total war i wouldn't even know about it
rocky gale
I'd say that Fantasy is ironically only as popular as it is because Endtimes is such a meme
coarse pumice
Here’s the other issue 8th caused
storm jungle
I'd say that Fantasy is ironically only as popular as it is because Endtimes is ...
Correct.
rocky gale
Like a lot of people are introduced to the hobby with some cool lore tidbits and then they enter the echo chamber about how much a shitshow Endtimes was and from then on inherit this grudge about how Fantasy was stolen from them
coarse pumice
The game was designed for massive units where the optimum was often twice or more the size you’d run in 7th
Because individual units were bigger, players increased army sizes to just keep unit numbers up
So that bloated as well thanks to the design
coarse pumice
It probably made money, but like I've talked to a bunch of the old heads who pla...
Did they like 8th ed? Because that wouldn’t work for us because if 8th was the reason then there’s no unified ‘last edition’ to go back to play
And earlier editions you have to decide which army books (some armies didn’t have one updated at different points)
I heard other groups started 9th age, but I had moved onto Infinity (abandoning GW altogether until later when they re released some specialist games)
Others moved onto other systems, board games or quit altogether
rocky gale
It's a couple years ago that I was talking to them about it but I believe they played mostly either 6th or 8th and they would usually stick to the edition they preferred rather than going between.
coarse pumice
Interestingly: What is ‘bad’ in TOW rules might be good for starting now, because it’s gone full hero hammer, which is much friendlier on the wallet and hobby practice
rocky gale
6th seemed more common than 8th, but it still had it's fans in the group
coarse pumice
6th seemed more common than 8th, but it still had it's fans in the group
6th was much nicer, I think (I don’t think I could convince people, I was on the younger end and not really an organiser)
outer wave
It's a shame the crunch for old Fantasy is so mid for such good fluff
rose thorn
Wow! This seems terrible!
Oh yeah old hammer 40k fans, they were talking about in the studio interview about redoing 20 year old models
Is there any old factions you would like to see a comeback
coarse pumice
A big army in 7th might get to 100 or more or so in comparison
rose thorn
A big army in 7th might get to 100 or more or so in comparison
AOS had a huge decrease a while ago which is super nice and made the game so much more accessible, I remember people being annoyed that the game is cheaper to play 
coarse pumice
I think I ran a lot smaller though I played fairly ‘elite’ armies
rose thorn
Old world fan obsessives are fucking insane
coarse pumice
I think currently model count will be pretty low
Expensive characters are really good, which means a lot of points spent on few models before the rest of the army is filled out
river walrus
So... there lot of Ogryn in service?
coarse pumice
yeah
coarse pumice
that too
river walrus
Psyker used too?
coarse pumice
yeah, the odd few assigned to regiments
river walrus
coarse pumice
basically, although not the majority, ogryns, ratlings and psykers as a small percentage of Imperial Guard is a massive number because there's a massive number of imperial guard in whole
so say in a sector, 1% of the Imperial Guard are abhumans like ogryns and ratlings, that 1% is still a massive number
coarse pumice
yes
rocky gale
They are just empowered by their faith in the Emperor
river walrus
So... that mean they can be blind but be able to move around?
How powerful can they be?
outer wave
As powerful as the writers compel them
river walrus
So... zealot can be anyone? As long as they have faith?
rocky gale
Indeed
outer wave
Honestly an ogryn priest/zealot? Would be based
green loom
Most of the preacher's we have in game are also just crazy hobos
river walrus
Most of the preacher's we have in game are also just crazy hobos <:smarf:9664384...
Tried make lore accurate one
outer wave
Doesn't the Scottish preacher voice say he could now burn people without being reprimanded?
outer wave
I love him
river walrus
OOOHHV ULGO HAVE THAT VOICE HOW HEAR VOICELINE?
river walrus
Use flamer lots too!
green loom
You can see in stuff like Necromunda that the religious crazies typically organize into big groups, and the church has a habit of protecting them
crisp heath
What’s the deal with rogue traders voice acting? It seems sporadic when it wants to voice act and when it doesn’t
rocky gale
That's Owlcat
crisp heath
Like a character will he introduced in conversation and not have a voice actor then the next scene they will
rocky gale
All of their games are like that and it's one of my biggest pet peeves with their games
crisp heath
It’s not a deal breaker but it’s a little annoying
green loom
Voice acting 'spensive
rocky gale
Like I can understand not having voice acting, it's the being inconsistently voice acted that bothers me
river walrus
Ulgo want be voice actor! Have voices for every character ulgo made!
rocky gale
I would genuinely prefer if their games just didn't have voice acting at all rather than the way they do it
river walrus
Ulgo want to meet bodyguard voice actor! Real fan of him!
But zealot all mean. Why?
outer wave
They're dedicated to the laws bestowed upon them by the Emperor (in its own Eccecharichical flavor anyway), which means being vigilant and stalwart to any shinanigans
river walrus
But what is in text?
outer wave
Many things big man, lots of things. Mostly of the teachings from the church from the words of the Emperor
river walrus
What they say about abhuman and souls?
outer wave
That they're abnormally good at helping the Imperium and must be respected at all costs
river walrus
Oohh Ulgo like book of imperium
hasty oyster
so why did the mobain 6th decide to turn traitor
queen laurel
AOS had a huge decrease a while ago which is super nice and made the game so muc...
People are annoyed that a game is cheap
My god
snow fern
People will literally get upset over anything, they will receive literally, exactly what they asked for and complain. Selective Hearing is my favorite talent, just ignore people on command.
rose thorn
People are annoyed that a game is cheap
I imagine it’s the same group of people that games also add disability options
snow fern
Abelism is gross
queen laurel
I imagine it’s the same group of people that games also add disability options
Man
People scream about everything
rose thorn
Abelism is gross
Yea :/
arctic talon
AOS had a huge decrease a while ago which is super nice and made the game so muc...
The games also easier to play at a larger points count lol
rocky gale
Have yous seen the rules preview for Tau, when their codex comes out they'll basically be able to just place 30 Crisis suits on the table and have that be their entire army.
arctic talon
Have yous seen the rules preview for Tau, when their codex comes out they'll bas...
The crisis bomb has returned
rocky gale
I just can imagine some poor Drukhari player is going to enter a tournament only to get matched against a list of 30 Crisis suits and breakdown crying as all of their anti-infantry S2 weapons are now utterly useless.
arctic talon
The max # of crisis suits you can is like 54 iirc
rocky gale
Yea but from current point cost that would be like 3800 points.
dusk patrol
The max # of crisis suits you can is like 54 iirc
Crisis on Two Earth Caste Production
arctic talon
Lol
arctic talon
Yea but from current point cost that would be like 3800 points.
They’re def getting a points cut because you can’t run 3 guns anymore
coarse pumice
Age of Tau? 
coarse pumice
arctic talon
Age of Tau? <:Sweat:781233509201215500>
Maybe?
coarse pumice
azure knoll
do genestealers have the same effect on psykers that the nids do?
outer wave
Im no expert, but genestealers are a vanguard unit of the hivefleets, and are thus independent of the hivemind
The hivemind is the thing responsible for the shadow in the warp, which blocks psychic abilities
So from that, Id say no, or at least not to the same extent as a hivefleet-affiliated tyranid
arctic talon
do genestealers have the same effect on psykers that the nids do?
No, they do not. The big effect on Psykers that nids have is due to the shear quantity of Nids and their presence in the warp via the hivemind. Genestealers are never present in large enough numbers to cause the Shadow In The Warp
azure knoll
not my original question, but given a large enough quantity of genestealers, it could have a similar effect to what hivefleets have?
hasty oyster
why do u not like chainaxe
arctic talon
not my original question, but given a large enough quantity of genestealers, it ...
In theory yes, but it would be an absurd amount of genestealers as in the tyranid specifically not the hybrids
And also at least a brood lord
sacred ginkgo
I think Rogue Trader has a colony event that involves Genestealers where they have a noticeable psychic presence, but not anything on par with calming the warp
arctic talon
Yeah if there’s a patriarch/brood lord there’s gona be some sort of psychic presence going on
faint scroll
Do tech priest consider themselves human?
arctic talon
Yes
They consider themselves better then baseline humans
Though
Same applies to anyone a part of the cult mechanicus
faint scroll
I'm planning a video essay about acidental autism representation in 40k.
And techpriests considering themselves unhuman would shoot my argument in the foot
faint scroll
They consider themselves better then baseline humans
My interpretation was that they didn't reject their humanity they were indulging in their favorite part of humanity
arctic talon
It depends tech priest to tech priest
But the general mindset is the flesh is weak
Among most priests
Or the natural flesh you’re given isn’t sufficient
crisp heath
The machine god does say gender is a fuck tho so there's that
faint scroll
My favorite part of ad mech is the charaters seem cold and mechanical but they have emotions under the surface
dusk patrol
When authors decide to not be boring they can make Ad Mech fun
A lot of times they lean on lazy tropes though
crystal forum
I have this obscure mechanicus book that's pretty good
it's really nice to see the actual admech world
storm jungle
I have this obscure mechanicus book that's pretty good
Do you mean Forges of Mars
crystal forum
i have too many books
oh hey i found nemesis
i might read this one next
foundit
storm jungle
Oof
crystal forum
storm jungle
no
crystal forum
it's generic but i like mechanicus
arctic talon
Oh that book
crystal forum
oh yeah? what's the plot
arctic talon
Skitariius portion the Skitarii Alpha Primus gets cut off from their tech priest commanders after the planet gets overrun
storm jungle
Its a fun adventure
crystal forum
overrun by iron warriors
arctic talon
I don't think thats important?
storm jungle
Found archon of flesh
arctic talon
lol
crystal forum
nerd
arctic talon
also the Skitarii Alpha ends up getting turned into a Kataphron in the Tech Priest portion of the book
iirc lol
arctic talon
Kataphrons are the servitors with the treads yeah
storm jungle
also the Skitarii Alpha ends up getting turned into a Kataphron in the Tech Prie...
That part was fucking hilarious
Admech does dark comedy so well lmao
crystal forum
the book takes itself super seriously actually
there's literally orks in the beginning and even they're not used for comedic effect
storm jungle
Yeah thats how you do dark comedy
Its not suppose to be goofy, its the absurdity that makes it funny
Its why people love admech lmao
“Lets just this robot walker run on treadmills forever because we can’t turn it off. Also our hovercraft is out of a pilot in the biotank since he melted we need a new one”
dusk patrol
there's literally orks in the beginning and even they're not used for comedic ef...
Orks aren’t really funny if it’s not in their PoV tbh
storm jungle
^
crystal forum
interesting
crisp heath
Necrons in Necron books vs Necrons in Guard books
arctic talon
“Lets just this robot walker run on treadmills forever because we can’t turn it ...
Its the Walker tank that melts people in the tank smh, the hovercraft has a normal pilot without the melting tank of death
storm jungle
😩
queen laurel
the book takes itself super seriously actually
Sure when they're doing goofy stuff it's funny but when they're laughing as they are ripping you limb from limb then it isn't so funny from your point of view
bright garden
bright garden
One of my fav lines really
arctic talon
It’s good
storm jungle
Battlefleet Gothic has no right to have such good writing lol
storm jungle
Szarekh is big but not that big
orchid lark
Hey wait a minute all factions have tall people
storm jungle
SHUT UP
outer wave
We need a faction where the leaders are smaller than everyone else
And the bigger you are the lower you are on the totem pole
arctic talon
Hey wait a minute all factions have tall people
Tau don't
Ethereals aren't the tallest
Air caste are
arctic talon
Lol true
queen laurel
Battlefleet Gothic has no right to have such good writing lol
Cinematics are top tier too
burnt maple
Lmao, everything in 40k is an ork. Bigger = more important.
ponders
Could it be, that the Old Ones' influence over the creation caused that? Could their perverse way of thinking about importance seeped into all known matter?
Would explain quite a lot!
coarse pumice
The emperor should be as short as the shortest there - the big emperor you see isn’t ‘real’
Because in his background he went around normal humans completely anonymously
this wasn’t a problem early on before everything got subject to massive size inflation
storm jungle
The emperor should be as short as the shortest there - the big emperor you see i...
He doesn’t have a specified height or form due to his mastery of biomancy. He basically enters “neither/yes” category
coarse pumice
Most of his life, he would be regular human size to people, so that’s his average height
hasty oyster
Yall think the emperor would’ve made an only fans ¿
storm jungle
Yes
coarse pumice
I think it would be cooler if he had a multiple bodies thing and someone like Malcador was the Emperor, while the ‘big’ Emperor is just another body he uses
storm jungle
That sounds too convoluted tbh
hasty oyster
Hes the type of guy to create r/atheism
LMAOOOO
storm jungle
rocky gale
The Emperor was that "I need more boolets guy"
orchid lark
The emperor had a manyvids and onlyfans and the only people that got on it were the other perpetuals
So at some Ollanius was a part of it begrudgingly
bold wren
The Howling Banshees remind me of the yautja.
Makes since 40k and Predator came out the same time.
hasty oyster
The Emperor was that "I need more boolets guy" <a:yesgryn:1024009817846710434>
OH MY GOD YEAH
i wanna see the emperor do jumping jacks
queen laurel
Hes the type of guy to create r/atheism
Considering that he became a St. and burnt the church to the ground it's safe to say yeah he would be the head mod of the atheist club
storm jungle
The Howling Banshees remind me of the yautja.
The Striking Scorpions are based on the Predator,
Banshees got nothing to do with it
bold wren
If you see the helmet you would say otherwise
storm jungle
I have seen the helmet lol
I also got the artist design sketchbook
The Scorpions having dreadlocks is literally a Predator reference
queen laurel
The Scorpions having dreadlocks is literally a Predator reference
They're literally ambush alien hunters that jump around trees and hunt stuff
storm jungle
^
queen laurel
That is predator 101
storm jungle
Yeah half their shit is stalking people and brutally cutting em with their chainswords
They are professional terror-troops
Banshees are just screamy close quarters slicey people
bold wren
Expect they don't hunt xenomorphs for sport
Yautja aren't just stalkers they're trophy hunters and do not fight unarmed opponents usually.
They have a honor to them at least enough not to attack unarmed opponents. But doesn't mean they respect human despite a human has joined their ranks.
queen laurel
yeah the predator used to be a separate thing from the xenomorphs
storm jungle
Yep Im not gonna entertain this more though because i got a headache
bold wren
They're separate usually still
orchid lark
Yep Im not gonna entertain this more though because i got a headache
Dehydrated lmao
bold wren
Because stalking isn't their culture. They hunt for honor, sport, and thrill. So, no they do not just stalk.
orchid lark
Space Marines are predators…
queen laurel
Because stalking isn't their culture. They hunt for honor, sport, and thrill. So...
Stalking is not their culture but they have invisibility tech which is you know perfect for stalking?
bold wren
Stalking is apart of hunting but the explanation is lazy at best.
hasty oyster
i’d pet that thing
bold wren
Stalking is not their culture but they have invisibility tech which is you know ...
Stalking is apart of hunting yes, but you label one part of something that just has no information and is vague at best.
They're trophy hunters not stalkers
hasty oyster
vivid on his debate arc again
orchid lark
Stepford wives count as trophies?
hasty oyster
You fucking motherfu-
HEY NOW DONT USE THAT LANAGUE HERE
orchid lark
Lanague
queen laurel
HEY NOW DONT USE THAT LANAGUE HERE
brother that language is the normal here
the lore chat standard
hasty oyster
😨
warm comet
for our group of rejects, how extreme would fighting a plague marine be?
Ive seen people say that it'd be way out of their league, but we also fight things like Beasts of Nurgle, which I always assumed were very powerful
rocky gale
It would be manageable for the group
queen laurel
for our group of rejects, how extreme would fighting a plague marine be?
Ive see...
our rejects have the weapons to take one out but we need to do it in a very long range as to not risk too much damage
rocky gale
Like we've got plasma weapons, power swords, thunder hammers, force swords and Psykers/Ogryns in general
Any one of those things could kill a Plague Marine
Like even comparing an Ogryn to a Plague Marine, the Ogryn is stronger and tougher, the Plague Marine just has better armour.
celest dome
for our group of rejects, how extreme would fighting a plague marine be?
Ive see...
They are less dangerous than facing the current monsters
orchid lark
I give our rejects and their equipment a decent 3/5 chance of surviving
If its like the poster group compisition
One vet, one psyker, one zealot and one ogryn
crystal forum
a vet with a plasma weapon can easily take out a space marine
unless there's some nurgle shit going on
rose thorn
Theoretically you could plug your phone into a plasma gun
Since it’s just a plasma generator but hand held
celest dome
Do not randomly plug a charger in a power generator
queen laurel
Do not randomly plug a charger in a power generator
An ork would find the way to double a plasma machine gun into a charging port to be fair
young pecan
Theoretically you could plug your phone into a plasma gun
This reminds me of that fiasco with exploding vapes all because people used the wrong charging cord
rose thorn
I just imagine a guardsmen unable to charge their lasgun because they have a microusb 1.0 instead of a 2.0
tulip brook
Basic cadian uniform is good enough hahayes
green loom
I mean I like it but I prefer the cool harness that the unreleased set gets
green loom
Can someone spam ping me when the update goes live
rose thorn
WarCom: Gunnar may be relatively immune to the temptations of the Ruinous Powers, but few of us have the mettle (or hair) of this stalwart warrior. What Chaos God is most likely to bend your ear?
Chris: First and foremost, let’s not pretend that anybody is immune to the temptations of the Ruinous Powers – least of all Gunnar Brand! As much as he’d like to believe otherwise. I have pretty large Disciples of Tzeentch and Blades of Khorne collections for Warhammer Age of Sigmar, but I’m not sure that either of those gods are the ones I’d actually fall prey to. I prefer my books without eyes or teeth, and given the choice I’d rather sit on cushions than skulls. I’m also quite vain about my hair and I wish I rolled more sixes. Slaanesh it is!
shrewd depot
Slaanesh is reaaaally the only choice if you care about remaining anywhere near human. Nurgle makes your skin rot, Khorne leaves you in a murderous bloodrage...
Tzeentch is pretty chill I suppose
Might just end up going insane from knowledge, but that's all I can really think of outside straight up pissing him off
Iunno how you piss off a guy who has planned the entire universe's fate tho
rose thorn
If you are okay with just being a book carrier for the rest of your life with only like a 35% chance of being accidentally obliterated tzeentch is fine
bold wren
Tzeentch isn't chill he is manipulative and always scheming
rose thorn
You just gotta make sure the other book carriers don’t kill you
bold wren
He would be scheming to stab you in the back
And those blue terrors are annoying to fight.
rocky gale
Slaanesh is reaaaally the only choice if you care about remaining anywhere near ...
Congrats, you worship Slaanesh and are still near human
bold wren
Slaneesh thinks that is beautiful?
rose thorn
I’m pretty sure that’s what happens when a twin soul goes wrong
rose thorn
Slaneesh thinks that is beautiful?
Slaanesh thinks everyone is beautiful, but in a dominatrix way
bold wren
I like my girlfriend/boyfriend being preferably human.
Thank you very much.
Tzeentch daemons are cool though
rose thorn
And most up to date
rocky gale
The Slaanesh army rules in AoS are so fun, I wish 40k had more stuff that worked like that
bold wren
If I could even call them daemons and more like Eldritch abominations
Tzeentch doesn't much remind me of chaos god and more an Eldritch Old One.
rose thorn
The Slaanesh army rules in AoS are so fun, I wish 40k had more stuff that worked...
I haven’t checked their 3rd edition rules
Is it any better?
rocky gale
Yes, they're actually very good in 3rd
and they have an army ability that is really fun
bold wren
To be honest chaos has cool things
rocky gale
Found it, Temptations of Slaanesh
rocky gale
It's so fun, you offer your opponent an auto pass on a roll they failed and if they accept you gain Points which make your army stronger and if they refuse their unit takes damage
bold wren
You rely on hormones pathetic humans.
No wonder we fall to chaos we forget logic exists.
bold wren
Don't give into temptation then
rocky gale
There's a channel I watch Tabletop Tactics and when they were running Slaanesh they have a plate of cookies that they use to represent the temptation being offered
rose thorn
But you take d3 damage
bold wren
If you think your pal is infected by chaos just shoot him.
rose thorn
I love this let me see if there is a Slaanesh Army box is for sale
bold wren
Orks I need them
Speedfreeks or Freebootaz are the most fun orks
To be honest Mad Max style xenos is fun
rose thorn
Damn only vanguard
bold wren
Shame
rose thorn
It's so fun, you offer your opponent an auto pass on a roll they failed and if t...
That’s so great
bold wren
Until you get chaos units that ignore it
rocky gale
It's the perfect combination of being very fluffy but also quite a good ability while also just being fun
rose thorn
Yea, how many dice can you offer a turn?
bold wren
Guardsmen vs Chaos doesn't sound smart
I might need to get Grey Knights or Orks
Grey Knights are pretty amazing and have some cool weapons exclusive to them.
rocky gale
Yea, how many dice can you offer a turn?
You get 6 each round and they go away at the end of the round, but you can only tempt each unit once per phase.
rose thorn
Nice
bold wren
They have psyker boltguns
Psychic enhanced weapons that Grey Knights used.
Yeah psykers get their own boltguns that are even better being enhanced by the warp. Effective using chaos against daemons
But Space Marines always get enhanced weapons for their psykers, The Thousand Sons and Grey Knights included.
rose thorn
You get 6 each round and they go away at the end of the round, but you can only ...
Really high risk and reward, I imagine someone begging for a temptation dice
And yku can just be like
‘No’
bold wren
Honestly to what I see game stores look chill.
Usually talking more about lore and videogames
coarse pumice
today, my giant 'eadbutt a thane BSB and killed him in one go
and then proceeded to pick up some dwarfs and...
rocky gale
Shall I begin posting the "We're so back" memes?
tough haven
It's the perfect combination of being very fluffy but also quite a good ability ...
They need to change slaneesh/emperors children to something like this
What even are their rules atm?
Unrelated but what if anything is the Aeldari mythology based on?
bold wren
It appears very Pagan
storm jungle
Unrelated but what if anything is the Aeldari mythology based on?
Its Celtic/Japanese/Hindu
But the most dominant one is definitely the hindu part
The way the gods are portrayed especially
tough haven
That tracks
storm jungle
tough haven
What even are their rules atm?
Oh wait, just remembered they aren’t in this edition I don’t think
Could have sworn they were
storm jungle
Yeah they got removed since they are getting their own army
tough haven
Might just end up going insane from knowledge, but that's all I can really think...
You will constantly mutate and change, as is his will
storm jungle
Congrats, you worship Slaanesh and are still near human
Lmao thank you for that
Idk why people assume Slaanesh is a safe option like ever
dusk patrol
40k fans when all four of the evil daemonic gods of chaos who feed off suffering and death aren’t great options to follow
“But they call him Papa Nurgle, he loves his childr- what’s that? No I haven’t read any 40k books with nurgle in them, why should that matter?”
crisp heath
I’d imagine under nurgle you would become a lazy, unfeeling slob as your skin slogs around you. You’d be welcomed by nurgle I guess but you would be completely lacking ambition and drive to make yourself better anymore. Also stinky
Is that about right?
Khorne is what I guess would be the best cause it would be short and not prolonged suffering, you and your buddy would be stabbing at each other with knives until someone gets a good hit and disembowels the other and then it’s over
dusk patrol
A big aspect of nurgle which you get from books with him is he doesn't even neccsarily take the pain away really, he just makes you apathetic to it.
You don't care about it or anything
A lot of Death Guard, while still obviously dangerous and active, don't really care or aren't invested in what they're doing.
queen laurel
A big aspect of nurgle which you get from books with him is he doesn't even necc...
So instead of making your cancer not painful anymore he makes it painful and allows you to turn your cancer cells into a cancer ray?
queen laurel
https://tenor.com/view/fry-futurama-suspicious-squint-gif-15326860
What a laser beam that causes cancer is definitely a geneva approved weapon
tulip brook
Is that about right?
Not really, nurgle worshippers are mostly portrayed as super jolly or extremely depressed and both really unstable in emotions. As in real life there are happy and productive people loving where they are and not willing to change how they live and there are so many people functioning with deep depression
They're doing their best to gain favor from papa nurgle. Chaos gods have no patience for useless puppets
bold wren
Nah mortarion is definitely depressed and miserable if that's what you mean.
There is nothing happy about nurgle and his "love"
Mortarion also didn't want nurgles gift so also that.
The deathguard are just zombies not in that way but they're just a husk of what they used to be.
remote widget
Why is the imperium always described as so dirty and unclean..? While this may be grimdark, its also just inviting nurgle to come in, which seems pretty easily avoidable
celest dome
Low standard of living
rocky gale
The Imperium is in decay, plus the running theme is that basically everything related to Chaos is pretty easily avoidable. The Imperium just causes it by being so awful.
remote widget
Ah
tulip brook
Also because most stories lead to unsavory places like battle zones and lower hives
You can even see the difference in Archivum map, streets are relatively clean and library is so extravagant
storm jungle
Well “clean” 💀
bold wren
The only clean worlds are those few paradise worlds that lowly servants will never visit.
Because they have to work on those polluted nasty forge worlds.
Or at the bowels of a voidship wearing nothing but rags and nobody cares if you starve or not.
rocky gale
I'm sure there are lots of lowly servants on Pleasure Worlds, someone needs to wipe down all the loads.
bold wren
But they're servants and not allowed to make it dirty though
They live in dark slums beneath or are at least honored the privilege to stay somewhere.
celest dome
Paradise world look clean on the visitor side, but on the worker side it's just the usual low standard of living
bold wren
Heard the worlds have non-essclesiarch monks.
Yeah paradise worlds produce monks that are religious but somehow aren't making the Ecclesiarch mad.
Nevermind the monks are but they're used for diplomatic purposes instead of fighting.
burnt maple
If you were a cardinal visiting such a world for your own leisure, you would not bat an eye either.
bold wren
Or a Rogue Trader
Though Rogue Traders already live in Luxury
Expect the bowels of voidships
rocky gale
Apparently the rumours are that the 6th Dawnbringer book will be about "Her Highness in Ruin" A Varanguard who is one of Archaeon's Marshals and wields a Magma spear, which could potentially be this pic from the Rumour Engine.
So far all of the big new character model releases for Dawnbringer have been amazing, so fingers crossed it's true she gets an amazing model.
queen laurel
So far all of the big new character model releases for Dawnbringer have been ama...
And fingers another cross that hopefully the stats won't disappoint them
I don't know much but if a model looks sick but the stats are a bit meh it's not going to help it's popularity much
rocky gale
Rules can be fixed or changed though, cool models endure
queen laurel
Rules can be fixed or changed though, cool models endure
Ay that's facts
rocky gale
and sometimes you get the perfect trifecta of awful model, awful rules and awful lore
Ergo Vashtorr the Arkifane
crisp heath
You shut your blasphemous mouth
rocky gale
No I will not, I hate this goofy looking piece of shit with an undying passion, it is genuinely the worst looking model GW have made this decade
queen laurel
Ergo Vashtorr the Arkifane
Ohh spicy opinion
crisp heath
I'm literally buying Vashtorr and getting him professionally painted as a shelf piece
He's a beautiful boy
rocky gale
A lot of models I'll look at and go "It's not for me" but this retched and misbegotten blight upon my ocular abilities, elicits only a feeling a deep resounding hatred that resonates from the very fibre of my being..
crisp heath
He's wearing horseshoes and styled them to look like fangs he's a fasionista
rocky gale
I honestly believe the world would be a better place if this model didn't exist
I personally blame this model for why I have no friends
green loom
He's very static
rocky gale
No part of his design complements the rest
dusk patrol
No I will not, I hate this goofy looking piece of shit with an undying passion, ...
You’re entitled to your opinion
Even if it’s wrong
rocky gale
You can take snap shots of each individual component of his design and it would look good, but combined it doesn't work at all
Except the head, the head is just awful and even on it's own it looks terrible
queen laurel
I can't wait for Dilara to read about this one
tulip brook
weewooo, vashtorr is so good
I love his adeptus mechanicus looking demon ass
pairs well with my favorite daemon engine model venomcrawler
storm jungle
No I will not, I hate this goofy looking piece of shit with an undying passion, ...
It looks like a bad kitbash
absolute fucking trash
yeet
dusk patrol
“I got a kroot bodyguard, someone said we looked alike, so he killed himself.”
“I told my Interrogator that everyone hates me. He said I was being ridiculous… everyone hasn't met me yet."
tugs gorget
crisp heath
Is angron the strongest strength wise character in the setting?
Cause I had an idea how khrone followers should reshape their command structure
arctic talon
Is angron the strongest strength wise character in the setting?
Maybe? Idk
dusk patrol
For primarchs Ferrus or Vulkan were probably stronger, but we don’t know
It’s not clear how much stronger in raw strength he got after he ascended
He’s definitely up there though
We haven’t seen a lot of these dudes arm wrestle
rose thorn
Hey is yndastra good?
I need another audiobook to listen to
I might get the book anyway because I girl crush the hell outta her
rocky gale
Dunno, am afraid I have her book but I've not read it yet
rose thorn
Any books you can recommend, I just finished lady of sorrow
I swear there was a really good Nagash book
rocky gale
I think I've already recommended all the ones I've read recently, I need to get back into reading. I keep taking breaks and forgetting about it.
rocky gale
It looks like a bad kitbash
Ayee, when no one else got me, I know Dilara always has my back
rose thorn
Ayee, when no one else got me, I know Dilara always has my back <a:yesgryn:10240...
OMFG I ALWAYS THOUGHT YHE MODEL WAS WIERD BUT I NEVER SAID IT
Everyone likes it so I was like maybe I shouldn’t say anything
It’s trying to be scary to the point that it doenst feel warhammer
rocky gale
It's a weird combination of it both feels overworked but also underdeveloped
rose thorn
They based the muscles off of the old demon models while basing the armor off of new models
And it annoys the shit out of me
rocky gale
It's old, it's new, it's sleek, it's chunky, it's metal, it's flesh etc etc
Too many elements
rocky gale
Like if you take just the claw or the legs or the wings individually they would look cool on a model, but once you put it all together it's too many conflicting things that make the model seem directionless.
And it becomes even more apparent when you look at it's detail and see that it's weapons are just called "Vashtorr's Hammer" and "Vashtorr's Claw" like no real thought was put into fleshing out all these elements.
Someone just stuck together a bunch of things they thought looked cool and called it a day.
rocky gale
and the face makes me think of how when you're a kid and see something like a Halloween mask or a scary movie or whatever and it was absolutely terrifying, to the point where for years you'd remember this horrifying thing that scared the hell out of you as a kid and how awful it was, then years later when you're a bit older you see it again and all you can think is "No this can't be it, how was I scared of this?"
Something that could scare a child, but any adult would look at and probably laugh
viral halo
and the face makes me think of how when you're a kid and see something like a Ha...
Warhammer fans as kids feared return the slab; warhammer fans as adults fear a job application