now give us Knight sized automatons, they already have dreadnoughts so what's stopping them
#40k-lore-chat
shadow plover
spring cairn
there's capital ships exanching fire in the skybox of some automaton maps
but the models are clearly not finished
they're extremely blocky and rough looking even for something far away in the distance
i'll try to get a screenshot
queen laurel
Everyone laughs until the enemy starts shooting back at you
spare osprey
THEY HAVE FUCKIN AT-AT’S
spare osprey
Still to be added, I’m assuming alongside mechs
shadow plover
Neato
spare osprey
which some gameplay of that has leaked
Showing that there’s more than 1 type
Cause it had like 4 auto cannons
shadow plover
Ye saw that, which is nice
shadow plover
I imagine it'll be a lot slower compared to the bile titan
But even more tankier
Plus more ranged weapons
spare osprey
Mhm that’s my bet as well
burnt maple
THIS. Fucking hate fighting bugs.
Tactics for automatons: smoke, AMR, static things, long range main weapons, cover...
Tactics for bugs: railgun, breaker, run away.
shadow plover
Smg my beloved
burnt maple
Oh and ofc up right up up up.
burnt maple
Yup.
People complain about being sniped by rockets.
I much prefer that than being slowed until my grandchildren join me in the afterlife, because 50 fucking hunters chase me.
(among a horde of other more or less armored things)
shadow plover
I'm more worried about being stomped by a Hulk
burnt maple
Lol, close one.
shadow plover
(I only had the Breaker because I was trying out the Counter Sniper and it sucked even though you could one shot Devastators)
shadow plover
The aim with it sucks, it's encumbered like an LMG
And small ammo pool
Unsure if it can shoot through the Hulk vision slit
This in the other hand is great
queen laurel
(I only had the Breaker because I was trying out the Counter Sniper and it sucke...
what's the heaviest fully automatic ballistic weapon you can have in the game
shadow plover
Well that would be the autocannon
queen laurel
Well that would be the autocannon
OK but what about the infantry
shadow plover
You can carry it on your shoulder
rocky gale
Yea you can carry an LMG or an Autocannon around
queen laurel
fuck me
rocky gale
And with the Autocannon you can also get a teammate to assist you
queen laurel
now i really want this game
rocky gale
They'll act as your loader so you can keep shooting
burnt maple
Unsure if it can shoot through the Hulk vision slit
Should be. Amr does and it pens light armor only.
shadow plover
I see, I've only one tapped them with the railgun
burnt maple
My problem withthe railgun is.. it is boring. Not to mention low ammo and single shot.
Hence I welcome amr on bots. You can kill everything with it from front, sans tanks.
prisma lark
so why are we talking about Helldivers in the lore channel again lol
rocky gale
For Democracy
prisma lark
fair enough
prisma lark
does the game require a PSN account to play on Steam like the store page suggests, or is that only for crossplay?
rocky gale
Na don't think you need to do any sort of account stuff for Steam
burnt maple
I don't have psn and I still crossplay.
shadow plover
AMR is fun but I'd almost take the LMG over it
rocky gale
and Crossplay is enabled by default
burnt maple
AMR is fun but I'd almost take the LMG over it
For bugs? Sure.
prisma lark
That's pretty weird if you don't really need it then, what's up with that?
rose thorn
“Helldivers is one of the best games ever and the community is one of the most non toxic you will ever see”
Lmao
queen laurel
“Helldivers is one of the best games ever and the community is one of the most n...
Yeah the Lore is practically being written by itself
He is practically the so-called resistance leader now
queen laurel
Im@laughing about the toxic thing
To be honest from what I've seen they are mostly chill
Like Starship trooper infantry just having fun
The amount of people just killing you for no reason is increasing I heard
bold wren
Friendly Fire makes the war more interactive
rose thorn
The amount of people just killing you for no reason is increasing I heard
I mean it’s a coop game with a loot system in game? That’s sounds like a recipe for disaster
With ff
bold wren
Imagine darktide with it now
queen laurel
I mean it’s a coop game with a loot system in game? That’s sounds like a recipe ...
thing is loot is shared
bold wren
FF
queen laurel
they just kill each other
It's either they don't know it's shared or they just want to kill someone
prisma lark
Knife zealots throw down
let them fight
celest dome
Imagine the blitz
Getting headshotted by a Psychic shard without the Psyker meaning to
Getting rocked
Or Ogrynheimer
rose thorn
Dark tide among us
Better yet inquisition politics and two inquisitors are trying to succeed the other so they make the convicts fight
humble shoal
Tbh though Id love to play as a mauler/bomber
wintry scarab
Wait whoa! So are they buying themselves out?
celest dome
Being sold to a private group, so different
wintry scarab
Oh, no. That doesnt sound very good.
celest dome
Not really worse than being with Embracer 
wintry scarab
Im really looking forward to space marien 2. Like a lot a lot. Hope it will not suffer because of this.
orchid lark
theyre going to Outer Gamer Heaven
wintry scarab
In a dubious spot imo
Yeah, the delay has me very much worried. The gameplay looked really fun but rough. The sound mixing was prob the worst.
arctic talon
It’ll prolly be a 6/7 out of 10 game like 1 elevated by the setting to like
An 8
But hey maybe I’ll be pleasantly surprised
wintry scarab
An 8
I mean i have a feeling its going to be a lot lower than that ngl. Im just hoping im wrong
arctic talon
Boltgun isn’t even a 6/10 imo
That game plays like shit compared to older dooms
No automap
Way worse balancing on higher difficulties
celest dome
A friend play a lot of Doom shooter and he disliked Boltgun
wintry scarab
Nah boltgun is like a 7 for me. Does what its supposed to and does it well.
arctic talon
It’s literally just worse doom
I’d rather play doom 2 or something lol
Then again being worse then doom isn’t bad
storm jungle
A friend play a lot of Doom shooter and he disliked Boltgun
^
Its not a good boomer shooter
by any means
theres a reason it died in like 2 weeks lol
arctic talon
Doomer shooter 💀
Also boltgun just has bad balancing
Higher difficulties are
Goofy as hell
100%’d the game but I’m not touching it ever again
wintry scarab
Also i first came here to ask, how common are terran animals in the galaxy? Are they like nearly everywhere?
wintry scarab
Most earth animals are extinct prolly
Huh? But they always refer to animals like baboons and things. I thought they would be pretty common.
arctic talon
The imperium favors grox for animal meat now ever
arctic talon
Huh? But they always refer to animals like baboons and things. I thought they wo...
In Horus heresy? Or 40k
wintry scarab
In Horus heresy? Or 40k
40k
orchid lark
Cats
arctic talon
Sayings can live on long after something is dead
Also yeah cats are alive
Still
Same with dogs
Birds of some variety exist
wintry scarab
And horses.
arctic talon
It’s a dog actually 🤓
celest dome
Monkey are extinct, as Land made a robot one and didn't know what the tail was used for (though it was a stingger)
orchid lark
"there are no wolves on Fenris"
wintry scarab
Krieg and their weird horses too
Im pretty sure they are still just normal horses with like spliced dna or some shit.
arctic talon
Normal Horses do not have talons
orchid lark
yeah, Weird Horse
celest dome
Krieg doesn't have "horses" but Attilan Rough rider have horses
Catachan have Raptors
Wasn't one on bears ?
arctic talon
I don’t think so?
storm jungle
Pretty much anything the writers allow tbh
but most still living are ones "popular" animals we know so lol
orchid lark
Croneworld Aeldar are just Avatar
storm jungle
Croneworld are the ones in the eye of terror
orchid lark
flying dinosaurs, water dinosaurs, and running dog dinosaurs
maiden worlds
titans being used to herd giant dinosaurs
wintry scarab
Im thinking about this, and surely terran animals would still be around. Maybe not common but surely when the emperor reconquered the galazy, animals would be spread across with trade and stuff right? Thats why we still have the animals we still have right?
orchid lark
maybe
storm jungle
I mean they are around
storm jungle
Im thinking about this, and surely terran animals would still be around. Maybe n...
Also not really
we have the animals we have right now because we either havent driven them to extinction or they are protected or too far away to be hurt
storm jungle
Literal nuclear wasteland
arctic talon
And then it turned into a total shithole again
rose thorn
Like air is literally unbeatable bad
Breathable*
The ozone layer became the no zone layer
arctic talon
It’s breathable if you have faith in the emperor smh
orchid lark
we got crazy technobarbarians in north europe, we got gene modifying fuckers in asia, we got New York still on terra
its BAD BAD
rose thorn
The only natural resource left in Terria is rats
orchid lark
New Zealand exists, as a massive hive Compound only for Navigators
prisma lark
It’s breathable if you have faith in the emperor smh
you fleshbags need to breathe?! Do you even worship the Omnissiah, bro?
arctic talon
The only natural resource left in Terria is rats
There’s plenty of meat
rose thorn
Human meat
orchid lark
one Rat Burger please
green loom
I love man meat
arctic talon
Long pork
rose thorn
Literally when the space sharks summon sharks no one knows what fucking animal it is
green loom
one Rat Burger please
rose thorn
Imperial records have no clue what most sea life looks like
orchid lark
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bL9BWEtLpM&ab_channel=THESSALONIAN31N
welcome to the DemoCast everybody
arctic talon
One of the last sharks in existance
rose thorn
Do they just harvest teeth off of it for infinity
rose thorn
WHERE DO SPACE SHARKS GET THEIR SHARK TEETH
orchid lark
they forge them
arctic talon
Lol
rose thorn
omg that must be like, the most valuable tooth for an ork
Da teeth of an extinct species
green loom
Literally just decor dressing
green loom
Also actual space sharks don't have loads of teeth on them 
rose thorn
It can’t inflate if there’s infinite amount of money
arctic talon
Said money also decays
orchid lark
googling shark inflation right now
arctic talon
rose thorn
Also actual space sharks don't have loads of teeth on them <:smarf:9664384278663...
I thought they had artifacts and art of shark teeth
green loom
Yeah, fan art
orchid lark
they have the last All Blacks Rugby shirt as well
green loom
Hence not loads
rose thorn
storm jungle
thats fanart yeah
rose thorn
NO WAY
storm jungle
tyberos is not that big
rose thorn
WHY IS IT ON THE WIKI
arctic talon
Because
orchid lark
thats also literally Chicago
arctic talon
The wiki uses a ton of fan art
orchid lark
thats wiki, not lexicanum lmao
storm jungle
**WHY IS IT ON THE WIKI**
Wiki users are stupid and use fanart
green loom
The fandom wiki literally uses a hodge podge of random garbage they grab off pinterest
green loom
No
orchid lark
four foot two
arctic talon
Bigger then his terminator body guards by a good bit
green loom
By one head
So if we're going by "Astartes with "Tall" as a trait" he's pretty average
arctic talon
Like jokes aside Tyberos is pretty big
rose thorn
This is so sad smh
orchid lark
Terminator armour when worn, is 10-11 foot tall, according to GW's life size statue they got made
rose thorn
Wiki users are stupid and use fanart
I hate Pinterest so much..
orchid lark
space marine armour is 7-8 foot tall, dont forget they are wearing platform boots
wintry scarab
I hate Pinterest so much..
Based
arctic talon
Tyberos is scary because he’s way quieter
Then he should be lol
For someone running around in terminator armor
rose thorn
He whispers over coms to the point some people can’t hear him in battle lmao
orchid lark
he smoked too much
arctic talon
Also the fact he just refuses to show up to strategy meetings during badab
Is even funnier
orchid lark
they keep telling him get away from the rhino exhaust pipes
arctic talon
He’s literally the quiet kid
orchid lark
but Tyberos just kept smelling it
rose thorn
Pretty sure the fire hawks didn’t either they were too busy having a pissing contest with the mantis warriors
green loom
The charchardons are grey because Tyberos really likes mechanicum standard grey spray primer
orchid lark
"Nah Cuzzie, rhino's exhaust does nothing to me, I'm keen"
arctic talon
The charchardons are grey because Tyberos really likes mechanicum standard grey ...
It’s a nice primer
They do it a lot
orchid lark
the whole Badab war conflict had so many cool chapters
orchid lark
Executioners are still a pretty cool Imperial Fists
I like to think GW is being more creative so we could be more creative so we spend more money on paints to make our own stuff
damn you James, you got me
arctic talon
Lol
storm jungle
This is basically the result of Marine slop lol
orchid lark
its the GG
id shit my pants if I heard I was gonna be attacked by Gore Golems
are you kidding me
arctic talon
In 9e alone there were like 4 different small niche chapters who got a small focus
celest dome
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gore_Golems
Homeworld: Ossum (Bone)
arctic talon
Original
celest dome
We're boned
orchid lark
on par with naming your sword the Throngler
storm jungle
Fall of Bone
arctic talon
in 9e alone Castellans of the Rift, Tomekeepers, White Consuls, Dark Krakens all got a ton of stuff lol
orchid lark
White Consuls are old
arctic talon
but Marbel said that GW should focus more on small chapters
and they like do
all the time
storm jungle
orchid lark
jesus
storm jungle
orchid lark
you are Turkish
storm jungle
I had to make the joke im sorry
arctic talon
the marine chapter that we get a PoV of in Crusade: Pariah Nexus are called the Obsidian Tigers?
or something
idk
its a big cat
orchid lark
they got the tank from Space Wolves too right?
arctic talon
I'm not sure?
But GW likes to show off small marine chapters all the time
but people don't read warzone/crusade/rulebooks
so
they just read meme lore/youtube videos
orchid lark
I like the lore from the rule books
it feels like its written for actual imperial citizens when it comes to imperium stuff
its very Matter of Fact.
arctic talon
There’s a ton of lore in rulebooks Ironicially
Even more in 10e
Seeing as they moved codex lore into rulebooks
orchid lark
the horus heresy rulebooks ARE FILLED with it
no one talks about the unique blades that legions had
orchid lark
Blood Angels had the meme 1000 degree blade
orchid lark
Raven Guard had some crazy black shatter blade or something
arctic talon
Blood Angels had the meme 1000 degree blade
1000 degree knife vs random mutant who won’t join the imperium
orchid lark
the fact Librarian Dreadnoughts are a Thousand Sons invention
arctic talon
Also the fact the white scars also had them
orchid lark
Blood Angels got the tech, I didnt know White Scars got it too, but then again, Magnus loved Jaghatai too
arctic talon
Blood angels and white scars got the tech, magnus was considering sending it to Gulliman as well
orchid lark
Blood Angels and Imperial Fists with specialty stuff from Mars, the first Assault Cannons for termies
the fact primarchs hoarded so much tech for themselves too lmao
arctic talon
Mortarions goofy ass xenos laser gun
orchid lark
Guilliman making the Codex Astartes cause he kept losing to Corax or something
orchid lark
gets almost assassinated once, immediately fucking hates his sons
humble shoal
Blood Angels got the tech, I didnt know White Scars got it too, but then again, ...
Khan likes to go fast
humble shoal
Send the mortifactors after him, cannibal v cannibal
storm jungle
Send the mortifactors after him, cannibal v cannibal
Hes too based to be killed
also what kills me is he SOMEHOW made it out
humble shoal
So are the mortifactors
humble shoal
Thats why they are only part alien
You know all skulls for the golden throne and all
coarse pumice
humble shoal
dusk patrol
Kroot really failed their “read the room” fellowship test there
arctic talon
the horde
wintry scarab
Do you guys think we are gonna get to see more 40k game stuff at skulls?
arctic talon
Yes
rocky gale
When is Skulls anyway?
wintry scarab
april
celest dome
April or may ?
wintry scarab
I thought it was april
rocky gale
If it's in May then it'll have to compete with Eurovision 
celest dome
2023 was May
wintry scarab
wooo... we love mobile games. Especially that one that i keep getting ads for.
young pecan
Speaking of mobile games, wish Tacticus was an engaging game
Thought it might play relatively similar to Fire Emblem Heroes, that's probably one of the only engaging gachas to me
dusk patrol
36 OF THEM
Ngl they kinda had a point when the Kroot just fucking started eating people in front of everyone
If he has that little control over his mercs then uh, yeah
storm jungle
Thats what we call based cannibalism
storm jungle
🥩 
dusk patrol
rocky gale
Why do I always end up surrounded by cannibalism enjoyers
dusk patrol
Should look inward
rocky gale
I only see meat........ oh.
pale onyx
So besides word bearers are there any chaos groups that worship the chaos gods or one of them out of loyalty? Not just “hurrr, gotta get me some power.” But like how the imperial cult worships the emperor. Any of that for the chaos gods or one of them?
young pecan
I don't know about groups, but I feel like likelihood-wise Nurgle cultists or Tzeentchian cultists could be the two with the most potential to be faithful to the gods themselves
Nurgle cultists more likely, spreading the gift of "family" and less pain I would think. I only say Tzeentchians because ||of how dedicated the Tzeentch cultists are to the plans themselves rather than power, giving their lives for the "truth" happily||
The spoiler was for Rogue Trader, oops
pale onyx
True… but like mortarrian was tricked into serving Nurgle. And idk what’s going on with typhus.
storm jungle
So besides word bearers are there any chaos groups that worship the chaos gods o...
Literally as usual "it depends"
the homebrew ideas are left open-ended for both authors and players, so any combo can exist to a certain degree.
gray umbra
Some chaos group could spawn from a pro workers rights movement
Things are bad enough for the common people a progressive movement that turns out to be a cult would be legitimately appealing
storm jungle
^
arctic talon
Also some chaos worshippers hijack normal movements as well tbh
young pecan
Some chaos group could spawn from a pro workers rights movement
Another Rogue Trader reference because something pretty close to that happened lol ||"As soon as he said we were getting more than one meal a day, that's when we knew he was a heretic" -convict talking about the warden who succumbed to chaos||
wintry scarab
Whats that darksouls guard regiment called? the one with the iron face masks?
rose thorn
midly related my necromunda khorne chaos cult are ex slaves who escaped in thanks to worshipping khorne
theres planety of gsc and chaos cults in necormunda that are like not terrible poeple
wintry scarab
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Maccabian_Janissaries
Yeah, thx
sacred ginkgo
https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Maccabian_Janissaries
Oh hey rogue trader
storm jungle
luv me rogue
rose thorn
fav part is thet are all voulenteers
dusk patrol
Can't deny the drip
sacred ginkgo
I need to restart my heretical run after the great rebalance
green loom
Oh hey rogue trader
RT is based on those fantasy flight books so there's a tooooon of references to the old stuff
wintry scarab
Also, this probably bothers me a lot more than i should do.
dusk patrol
Not to spoil the books
But several of those models shouldn’t be playable at all
If you get what I mean
The simple answer is “it’s before that”
green loom
Aren't the models based on a story that takes place relatively early on
dusk patrol
Legit half the models in the set are dead I believe
green loom
Yeah but not at the point when the models are set
Like they released alongside a story or something iirc
nocturne crest
Would our acolytes be able to take on a Dark Mechanicus appearance?
storm jungle
Appearance as in like a cosmetic?
rose thorn
Also, this probably bothers me a lot more than i should do.
||isn’t that the same book he dies||
blissful solstice
Theory about who will rescue Isha: The necrons. They’re perfectly suited to the job because they’re made of necrodermis, and they have the motivation because she can create more biomass for the necrons to attempt biotransferrance with, or at least reintroduce biomass to planets that have been wiped by the tyranids, who are one of the necrons’ biggest problems because if they succeed in eating all of the biomass in the galaxy, then the necrons will never be able to biotransfer
arctic talon
Well for one the Necrons don't like the Eldar
and that goes both ways generally
and second of all
the Necrons can just use human as cattle
The only group with any incentive to bring back Isha are the Ynnari or Eldar Craftworlds
and third of all if they wanted to bring Isha back
the most logical way is to have the Eldar do it
storm jungle
the most logical way is to have the Eldar do it
I also hate this white knight shit honestly
arctic talon
Why the fuck do we have to jump through so many goddamn hoops
just have the Eldar do it
Its not like they're unnable to
they got close to doing so once
Its like one of the most idiotic fucking conversations in the fandom
its like if it was exclusively
the Ynnari brought back guilliman
or something like
Humanity brought the Silent king back into the galaxy
like ????
whats the fucking point
storm jungle
That example made me explode IRL
arctic talon
its lame
storm jungle
💀
storm jungle
Yeah lmao
arctic talon
because its on the same level of absurdity
storm jungle
its such an awful example that puts to perspective the logic of some people
its the same with people wanting Guilliman and Yvraine to fuck
just fuck off honestly lol
"I feel like their relationship would be-"
read a goddamn book
green loom
Dilara shhh
Grimdank don't like it when you point out they're all a bunch of dry brained elitist shit heels without an ounce of creativity in their decrepit bones
arctic talon
In fact it wouldn't even be logical for the Ynnari to want Isha back
so its literally just the craftworlders
green loom
Okay decrepit is maybe giving them too much credit, most of them probably aren't out of grade school yet
storm jungle
Dark Eldar find eldar gods pathetic since they almost all got vored yeah
they believed in the Dark Muses but they basically got no lore lol
arctic talon
lol
storm jungle
which fits, the fucking ego on the guy is immense lol
storm jungle
Same.
I laugh every time space marine players go
"Salamanders raided commorragh and destroyed half of it"
Translation:
Literally some towers
arctic talon
isn't it literally said
storm jungle
Which all had the ruling class in it
arctic talon
that vect let them do it
arctic talon
for his fucking plan
storm jungle
Yeah it was all by Vect
LMAO
he literally
kidnapped the marine cruiser to the city
to bait them to attack
green loom
Nooo my epic marinos can't just be tools used by a stupid knife ear reeeeeee 
topaz igloo
best rogue trader char C:
green loom
I wish most of those fans didn't sound like that
arctic talon
I still think its funny 1d4chans creator took it down
because he hated how much meme lore was being regurgitated seriously
green loom
Wait fr
arctic talon
Yes
green loom
Spill the tea wolf man
storm jungle
Took down what
green loom
The 40k pages
arctic talon
1d4chan
got taken down by the creator
bcs he hated what it did to the community
over time lol
storm jungle
i think it half-exists
green loom
It's not worth bothering to get to imo
green loom
no 4chan users is that dignified
Maybe they did the impossible and grew up
storm jungle
Maybe they did the impossible and grew up
green loom
I'm doing grown up things now too
plush mason
Maybe they did the impossible and grew up
cant be. the sun would have exploded
plush mason
best rogue trader char C:
the first warp jump with him is great
rose thorn
I didn’t expect Eldar guns to have recoil
plush mason
wtf do the dark eldar splinter rifles even fire?
rose thorn
Crystals that are full of venom
orchid lark
Or painfully fast
Like it makes you think you can survive
Or its a toxin that upon immediate skin contact immediately lights up your entire pain system or somethibg
Something cartoonishly evil
thorn zenith
Venom that goes "myehehehehehe"
tulip brook
My problem with deldar is every faction in the setting is cartoonishly evil I fail to see what makes them worse than next door torture enjoyer
orchid lark
And the fact they can simply live off of the torture and suffering of others
thorn zenith
Yea they are meant to be THE torture enjoyers of the setting, which should say something but its up to each writers abilitiy to make them stand out
orchid lark
I do appreciate the times where they are written as competent combatants that are troublesome to others
queen pawn
I wanted to ask a lore question since I'm not totally versed in warhammer and I wanna know a lil more cause it's my bf's special interest:3 also since I've been thinking about this
Sooooo he told me that the enemies we fight have willingly given into chaos (nurgle specifically in this game and vermintide) but I was wondering about those people in the train station cinematic we see? Like they were normal then BOOM chaos? Would they also be trying to kill us? Or would they abhore what they've become?
bright garden
Self loathing is sometimes a thing but not specifically indicated here. it seems darktide is fighting a nurgle specific cult and not a general chaos cult
The origin and spread of the cult is unknown to us for now but starting out, people are generally normal, looking for a better life and was promised the means to do so through chaos
And people don't generally understand the price and consequences, just that they were promised some things which are often lies or half truths
Or sometimes imperial life is actually so unbearable that chaos life almost seems worth it
queen laurel
I wanted to ask a lore question since I'm not totally versed in warhammer and I ...
the most basic zombies that you fight in dark tide are victims of one of the worst diseases nurgle has called The Walking pox
Completely shuts down their body and makes the body rot but of course since nurgle wants something funny he decided it would be fun if the person is still conscious of what they have become, souls of victims trapped in their own dead bodies isn't that lovely
The attack was conducted with a bio weapon armed train it seems
Chaos corruption is spread by the cults, and when the plan swung into motion it basically just spread all out of there
being corrupted by chaos absolutely fucks someone's way of thinking
bright garden
Oh yea good point, there's a mix of willing and unwilling people who want to kill us
And general zombie victims who want to gnaw on you because they were simply infected
tulip brook
Basic zombie wave crying and wailing as they attack: plague victims lost control of their bodies. Yellow guys with guns and being too happy to fight: willing acolytes of a chaos cult untrained but boosted by nurgle juice. Army guys with green eyes: imperial regiment that fell in a campaign and actively waging war.
celest dome
The hordes (Poxwalkers and Groaners) are both innocent Civilians
arctic talon
It’s a mercy killing for them
plush mason
i mean. very few killings in 40k arent when you think about it
tulip brook
Emperor's mercy amirite
mild rapids
I still think its funny 1d4chans creator took it down
Or it went down and just he never bothered to restore it, It went down for like a month or so early last year before they noticed and fixed it
chrome tendon
Have you wondered how a Bolter would be in real life?
https://vxtwitter.com/counterconor/status/1762917637124665798
What is the caliber of the Boltgun? I forgot.
chrome tendon
What's the reason for the Boltgun to use gyrojet ammunition?
shadow plover
Rule of cool
But it could be explained to increase the bullet velocity because it probably doesn't reach massive speeds with such a short barrel
Therefore more penetration
chrome tendon
shadow plover
And the basic space marine bolter is .75 caliber
Heavy bolter is .95 iirc
Google says .998
orchid lark
Always rule of cool
If 40k cared about “efficiency” or sci fi “realism” theyd use laser guns
But much like Herbert wanting only sword fighting on dune, its just cool
Gyro jet bullets, space elf guns that shoot mono monecular shurikens
bold wren
Realistic sword fighting isn't boring
I mean a stick strong enough will counter a sword sticks aren't weak.
crisp heath
honestly I write sci fi and fantasy and the biggest issue is figuring out why people would still have swords but dune just blew it out the water
celest dome
A book I liked had Aliens space rules where they aren't allowed to go on planets and take over them by using higher technology than the people living there so they abduct a British army from the 100 year war to be used as combat force instead
Project Excalibur or something
unkempt dove
i never read/watched dune but i always thought the laser - shield nuke interaction sounded really dumb
like would people just give up and knife fight each other... or would people just make laser-shield explosive weaponry instead?
spring cairn
i watched the recent dune and has a movie it's really good
and has shown in the movie, the average handheld weapon in dune is devastating to anything not shielded
storm jungle
^
thats what I meant with the realism part as in theres a REALLY good reason why people use swords
the "rule of cool" is fine but when theres some logic behind it its even more badass
unkempt dove
i don't know how rare/common lasguns/shields are but it feels like such devastating interaction would just lead to crazier weapons and more exploitation rather than peole switching to knives
storm jungle
Their common nature is why theres melee
most ground armies in Dune got shields as you would pretty much make sure to equip your men with
the mutually assured destruction through a loose las-round is what makes everyone engage in melee
otherwise uh, cue nuclear explosion lol
spring cairn
and yeah sometimes, at least in the movie, idk about the book, they do nonsensical stuff regarding the rules they have set up
unkempt dove
whats to stop an army from not using shields and engaging in long range laser battles instead
storm jungle
I mean they can do that but you can apply that to any war
most just want to get it over with quick and clean
spring cairn
like why even have guards armed with melee escorting spice harvesters when you can't have shields in worm territory
spring cairn
(they still do it in the movie)
bold wren
Laser swords are ineffective at what some things can do better.
unkempt dove
anyway i shouldn't judge dune too much since i haven't experienced it, but i'm not sure if its the best example of 'logical melee combat'
unkempt dove
logical because arbitrarily it was decided lasers and shields cause nuclear explosions, i dunno, i mean sure if you think it does
storm jungle
The books go more into it so
bold wren
I mean the death star uses focused magic crystals.
spring cairn
in the movies it's just, guns too fast, don't penetrate shield
bold wren
Death Lasers are just such a 1960's sci-fi trope.
storm jungle
logical because arbitrarily it was decided lasers and shields cause nuclear expl...
Also nuclear attacks or anything more of the extreme kind would bring the attention of all the great houses, which would glass the offender’s world.
Since interstellar travel is totally dependent on the Spacing Guild, they would need to get biological or chemical weapons through Guild security measures. The guild relies heavily on spice and its prescience capabilities and refuses to be party to such tactics.
Slug throwers are still in use but will only work against non-shielded opponents. The great houses can afford personal shields for their armies, meaning that only hand-to-hand combat.
You can apply this logic to a lot of modern war stuff
"Why not just do this thing"
"Well we cant because of this thing."
bold wren
They're useful against Jedi and ripper guns were banned despite they actually were great at going through armor
spring cairn
btw is there a lore reason why the fremen are just THAT good, or is it just plot
storm jungle
Its basically both
bold wren
The mandalorians have a point with their weapons. The Sith and Jedi exist.
But apparently disintegrations is too much for Darth Vader who brutally murdered children, and Jedi?
He murdered children and disintegrations disturb him.
queen laurel
yeah but Star Wars' is more dumb lol
If I can make a laser sword literally cold enough to basically obliterate someone's entire energy and reducing them into nothing more than an ice statue that would shatter with a flick then yeah I would not believe much of a realism in that one
spring cairn
everyone asides them is clumsy and slow, even the so called sardokar imperial elites which was kinda disappointing
storm jungle
everyone asides them is clumsy and slow, even the so called sardokar imperial el...
its both a reference to your classic middle eastern freedom fighters knowing the land but also guerrilla warfare being superior at times to your more militaristic opponent since Herbert was obsessed with the middle east
bold wren
I love Darth Vader but that no disintegrations scene is just stupid.
storm jungle
for the movie tho yeah its just "plot"
bold wren
Vader is a bad guy and disintegrations are the first thing that bothers him despite the Death Star and Torture droids exist.
spring cairn
like i know they must win cuz they are with the protagonist, but it's like they are actually untouchable (in the movie)
my only criticism basically
storm jungle
Yeah id blame that on the action directing.
you can make a movie where the protags go through absolute hell/get stabbed/beaten up yet still win
bold wren
People got mad when Chewbacca died but it actually developed Han as a character better.
spring cairn
it's even weirder because they made the opposing factions so well and intimidating
bold wren
In the books, despite it was a pretty badass death.
storm jungle
they suck balls
Yeah thats the norm with these movies unfortunately lol
unkempt dove
i think the most recent star wars sin for me was the warp speed ship projectiles. Okay, so RKVs are a thing.... why don't we just keep doing that....
bold wren
I hate George Lucas for saying it should be for children. I'm sorry but Star Wars doesn't work with children anymore.
spring cairn
Yeah thats the norm with these movies unfortunately lol
I do not say this lightly, but it's honestly star wars tier in that regard
storm jungle
I hate George Lucas for saying it should be for children. I'm sorry but Star War...
It does. You are thinking way too much about it lol
celest dome
It's Space Opera, it's made to be able to be watched by young peoples
storm jungle
also that yeah
bold wren
I'm not thinking enough
storm jungle
You think too much
spring cairn
at least the cinematography of dune is fire
bold wren
I'm autistic what can I say.
unkempt dove
is star wars space opera? isn't it just sci fi themed heroes journey really
spring cairn
every shot is a masterclass
storm jungle
is star wars space opera? isn't it just sci fi themed heroes journey really
Its one of the massive/big originators of it
in a sense it is
theres a reason Empire Strikes Back is probably one of the most important and best movies in cinema history
same with A New Hope
unkempt dove
at least when i think space opera i think there should be more politicking and mass space battles
bold wren
Well Star Wars is a Space Opera, Spaghetti Western, Hot Rods, Fantasy Sci-fi series.
queen laurel
It does. You are thinking way too much about it lol
i watched the clone wars when i was a kid
And it allowed me to understand one thing the four handed man is a bitch
storm jungle
LMAO
queen laurel
you can't always trust your superiors
storm jungle
at least when i think space opera i think there should be more politicking and m...
Thats the Prequels and everyone hated those
sooooo
bold wren
Hot Rods are a main thing George Lucas loved.
So the ships aren't going to be very accurate or the WW2 dog fights.
But they're cool.
storm jungle
Lucas is a hack
unkempt dove
sometimes its not the concept's fault, its the execution
bold wren
Lucas has good ideas but he should've stuck to racing movies
storm jungle
which is so fucking violent and filled with politics i praise the people for getting away with so much
bold wren
Politics is fine as long it isn't real life.
unkempt dove
and after we did away with lucas, we got... the new trilogy so i have no idea anymore, maybe star wars should be laid to rest
storm jungle
You do realise most political allegories in fiction are mirroring real life right
bold wren
They're going to milk it until it dies.
storm jungle
and after we did away with lucas, we got... the new trilogy so i have no idea an...
Never gonna happen
its a titan IP and still makes money
spring cairn
star wars was good when it came out and then fell off immediately
bold wren
Well but as you said to me when I said that it isn't real life it's cool.
storm jungle
SW is a good example of corporate consumerism/greed at its finest
queen laurel
You do realise most political allegories in fiction are mirroring real life righ...
Tell that to imperium fans
bold wren
I'm just saying. Not trying to pick at you, but when I bring in real life comparisons I annoy people
unkempt dove
driving IPs into the ground seems like everything really
storm jungle
Yep.
As long as it makes money nobody cares
fans cant do anything, they always buy the product
bold wren
Almost like everything is based on reality and real life parallels make the environment more relatable or understandable.
Sci-fi can have all this cool technology and that doesn't bother me, or politics.
storm jungle
Right. Anyway
bold wren
I mean of course it has to have a basis on something.
storm jungle
bold wren
Apparently me analyzing things makes you mad.
green loom
I know a guy who got into 40k just because, quote, "The wokes ruined ster furs!"
bold wren
I mean it definitely seems to annoying people
storm jungle
Yeah bro im fuming rn, about to explode
queen laurel
Vivid, are you on crack again
bold wren
It wasn't just woke people it was dumbass writers.
green loom
It's soulless corporatism
storm jungle
^
bold wren
Yes they do the word is just someone for a social justice warrior.
storm jungle
Yes they do the word is just someone for a social justice warrior.
They don't.
lol
its corpos doing it all
bold wren
Corporations ruin everything looking at you GW.
storm jungle
I mean
bold wren
I like 40k.
green loom
It's basically just a dogwhistle used by YouTube grifters/some circles to drag hate mobs around to different IPs
bold wren
Disney has always been racist never liked them.
storm jungle
It was also a rare chance
you literally had all the OG legendary actors
Han, Leia, Luke
they fucked it all up
thats what annoys me
we'll never get a moment like this again sadly
bold wren
Disney is a horrible company and corporation I don't care about this woke stuff, but they're stupid.
queen laurel
thats what annoys me
Somehow palpatine lived
storm jungle
AAAAA
queen laurel
You could have just told me that he healed using the force and I would believe that
unkempt dove
i feel like there was potential with the new trilogy, but honestly them rushing 3 movies out the door with planned different directors for all three movies, i mean what else could've happened?
queen laurel
Force already does crazy shit
unkempt dove
besides incoherent crazy nonsense
storm jungle
Bad directors that got no idea tf they are doing tends to do that.
bold wren
It's not even that they changed directors after the first movie.
unkempt dove
then somehow they dragged JJ abrams back for the 3rd movie, can't remember who was if there was someone even slated for it
bold wren
The first movie was a okay start.
storm jungle
I mean not really
it was literally a ripoff New Hope
like hilariously so lol
ALWAYS has to be some desert planet. Creativity is dead.
unkempt dove
i feel like the idea of a stormtrooper turncoat is an interesting character idea
bold wren
Rey is a stupid character she has no story other then she is the daughter of Palpatine not even being a Mary Sue.
unkempt dove
if a new jedi/hope was born from a literal stormtrooper it would be fun
bold wren
Rey is stupid she is so poorly written.
unkempt dove
and everytime rey got criticized, someone would hide behind the whole sexist defense
bold wren
It's even that Leia and Padme are badasses.
unkempt dove
i didn't hate the star trek movie
well the first one anyway, didn't watch the 2nd one
orchid lark
**ALWAYS** has to be some desert planet. Creativity is dead.
I love my single biome planets
Love it so much
bold wren
Nah it's not even that Rey just can do everything suddenly with no plot development.
unkempt dove
anyway with the new trilogy i feel like it was the 2nd movie that really riled me up
unkempt dove
the first movie was like whatever, but i wasn't offended or anything, just kinda... bored i guess
green loom
and everytime rey got criticized, someone would hide behind the whole sexist def...
To be frank, half the time it straight up was
bold wren
Star Wars is diverse and planets do have regions the movies just don't do them justice.
orchid lark
**oh wait**
When authors give a shit, they have@more than one biome, 8 times out of 10, single shitty biome.
bold wren
Unfortunately the fans write better shit them official things.
Legends is just better and Disney shouldn't had discontinued it.
unkempt dove
i feel like we didn't need both finn and rey, just have the one stormtrooper turncoat, make them black/female/trans/whatever you want, just have the one main character with some focus and stick with it
orchid lark
I love a moon killing Chewbacca
bold wren
Nah it's actually interesting
storm jungle
Its not
bold wren
Seeing him die a hero.
unkempt dove
having another character kinda just picked outta nowhere and become the main jedi just feels real off to me
storm jungle
mfer get out of here
bold wren
Yes he tried helping people
orchid lark
Legends is so fucking goofy
orchid lark
Theres like a handful of okay and awesome stuff
bold wren
Why not.
orchid lark
But its just swords and sandals and weird fantasy tropes
storm jungle
Luke Skywalker's clone
unkempt dove
i'm not familiar with legends but i feel like with all the LONG LONG TIME AGO disney could've just started more fresh in a more distant age somewhere
bold wren
That's hilarious
storm jungle
but has one extra "u"
bold wren
I'm sorry that is better then anything Disney can make
unkempt dove
the old republic, the not so old republic, the even older republic, take your pick
unkempt dove
and you can still have people with lightsabers slap each other
storm jungle
Old Republic is da goat 🐐
bold wren
Goofy moments make things better if I am being honest.
orchid lark
Whats happening in Hutt Space
Nothing fuck you
green loom
But expanded universe from the GCW is
unkempt dove
i'm a big fan of KOTOR1, never played TOR though
green loom
What the fuck
bold wren
Not even the Vong?
Man you're missing out on The New Republic
I don't mean the Disney New Republic
green loom
I prefer the Disney new republic
orchid lark
The New Disney Republic
bold wren
Why though
unkempt dove
okay where's Frozen 3, clearly disney needs this to bail them out
bold wren
The Republic of Disney
green loom
At least past a certain point
The imperial warlords era? Pretty cool
Past that? Ehhhh
bold wren
Not even the Vong or Thrawn?
unkempt dove
i kinda want a thing covering the mandalorian wars
bold wren
Are you sure?
orchid lark
okay where's Frozen 3, clearly disney needs this to bail them out
Bob Iger looking at ESPN ratings be like
bold wren
Thrawn is amazing what are you talking about
bold wren
Have you read anything about him.
orchid lark
Let the OG mandalorian stuff stay as Mythos forever
green loom
He isn't literally Rommel
bold wren
I don't know how you got Erwin Rommel from him.
unkempt dove
when i played kotor1 anyway, when they were all lke yeah, mandalorian wars, cool things happened, i was like man, i wish i got to experience it rather than hear about it
bold wren
He isn't actively looking to genocide people he uses the Empire as a means for his own goals.
But Rommel?
He is based on several characters Rommel is one. But so is Hannibal Barca.
plush mason
who?
bold wren
Thrawn
orchid lark
Disney shouldve bought the rights to Lucasgames’s Fracture
Instead of this Star Wars garbo
bold wren
He isn't just Rommel that is just purely ignorant.
plush mason
that came out of nowhere
green loom
He isn't just Rommel that is just purely ignorant.
You're misconstruing what I said
plush mason
man to this day i still read the word "understandable" with Mr. House's voice in my head lol
bold wren
I tend to misunderstand things you gotta be patient with me a little here.
green loom
I'm sorry to burst your nostalgia bubble but legends is kinda poopy trash
bold wren
So is 40k with it's inconsistent lore and expensive minis.
I mean am I wrong?
I like 40k, but that's the only criticism I have.
You cannot say they don't retcon things left and right.
green loom
If it's the only criticism you have then you liking legends makes a lot more sense
bold wren
Anything with lots of lore is going to be like that.
40k, Legends are both inconsistent and are difficult to get into.
green loom
40k is piss easy to get into because lore is irrelevant
bold wren
Nor is it in Star Wars
plush mason
40k's lore is just a backdrop to tell stories with, same for most of SW legends
bold wren
Star Wars is mostly a company to sell things
It was never about the lore it still isn't
plush mason
legends is the one good thing Disney did with the star wars IP
plush mason
It was never about the lore it still isn't
the first 3 movies where just Lucus pushing his personal and political views
bold wren
I mean wasn't he anti-war and anti-nazi?
plush mason
yup
bold wren
He was in the 1970's protests.
plush mason
also didnt like all the tech that was starting to come out
bold wren
So he is just a old grandpa
plush mason
yup
plush mason
ofc
iirc he even said in a live interview that in the original script Palpatine was named Ronald Reagan lol
bold wren
My God
plush mason
yeah
bold wren
I mean but I will say this brought up the Clone Wars.
Clone Wars was absolutely amazing writing despite the political views.
orchid lark
storm jungle
Clone Wars was absolutely amazing writing despite the political views.
What political views
bold wren
The war on terror and absolute mockery of America
bold wren
I mean Metal Gear Solid does the same.
storm jungle
And?
bold wren
Probably why it's so iconic
orchid lark
Nvm i hate men
storm jungle
KEK
celest dome
Woah Dilara got shot down directly 
bold wren
Dilara is a woman
orchid lark
Truly i am being turkisised
bold wren
What are you on about don't get gaslit.
orchid lark
I am starting to hate Greece even more than usual
I am also starting to think about hanging at Georgia even more now
storm jungle
CANT HAVE SHIT IN THIS SERVER
Go join the Helldivers 2 server and get insta banned for mentioning anything queer. Thats the community headspace we need.
orchid lark
Oh you wont catch me there
bold wren
I mean to be honest it can lead to political discourse
celest dome
Dilara is a woman
Lies, Slander, Deception
bold wren
And should be considered political
orchid lark
bold wren
Anything queer is controversial I see so many get triggered over it.
That's all I am saying.
celest dome
storm jungle
storm jungle
You have been for like the last 3 weeks
plush mason
lol
storm jungle
orchid lark
I feel like youre on a hill, but im not sure which
Its easy to see if youre in a hole
bold wren
I need a strong mentor to make me behave
green loom
Adam you're already red, turkey coded
orchid lark
WHAT
bold wren
Like I am trying but damn it's hard to be socially acceptable
Maybe I am the weird one.
orchid lark
Adam you're already red, turkey coded
Its all the shawerma i eat
green loom
Lies, Slander, Deception
Everyone knows dilara is 3 Istanbulan van cats in a trench coat
bold wren
I don't know how I am not banned and I am pushing it
plush mason
wtf is a van cat?
green loom
I don't know how I am not banned and I am pushing it
There's a fine line between ignorance and a chud
green loom
wtf is a van cat?
Cats in a van
bold wren
I'm just impulsive
bold wren
It isn't ignorance or being a chud.
green loom
plush mason
neat
bold wren
I'm just plain and simple just dense.
green loom
That cat is literally dilara
bold wren
I have no side in politics like that
I'm all over the place
I genuinely don't care what is happening between either.
green loom
My politics
storm jungle
thanks I hate it
orchid lark
Are you like, 19 or something
bold wren
Yes why.
orchid lark
There we go
bold wren
I'm not a chud genuinely people do like me, but I do upset people.
But sometimes you are gonna upset people, despite it isn't something controversial or at least widely.
green loom
Relax, if we straight up thought you were a chud you'd probably have outed yourself and gotten banned already
orchid lark
Doesnt make it any less suspicious
bold wren
I mean there is no need to defend something I am not.
I just need to think before I say shit.
Thinking is hard
Difficult even
orchid lark
If you are under 21, which i dont know if you are, youre probably just rapid firing things to say to seem like you fit in