40k-lore-chat

[wintry scarab]

Yeah, ive noticed. Ive come into this hobby with the mindset of "this is so cool" and slowly rotted away to absolutely hating gw.

[storm jungle]

Just don't bother hating.

they are a company that isnt gonna go away anytime soon, they aren't worth your attention.

[queen laurel]

That is why I always say that if GW becomes a faction for warhammer they will always be Skaven

[storm jungle]

Just appreciate or dislike the products they produce and leave it at that.

its what ive been doing for 12 years now

[shadow plover]

for sure but for how long would that last, with a legal contract you can make sure the money stays stable which I would probably take as well over a huge influx for a few months

[storm jungle]

Yeah like i said as much as he like

played it off as "omg im so happy"

the fact that hes basically entirely radio-silent now you can kinda tell the situation lol

[wintry scarab]

Astartes 2 is going to be a thing? I thought they canned that because he left the company?

[storm jungle]

We don't know.

its entirely silent

[shadow plover]

there has been no confirmation about leaving

[storm jungle]

Syama is also currently doing other shit on his patreon

[shadow plover]

I'm 100% sure there is an NDA that he cannot publicly talk about anything he is doing for GW

[storm jungle]

^

[shadow plover]

and who the hell has the energy to do the same shit at home you've just done at work for 8 or so hours hence the lack of personal stuff as well

[storm jungle]

As I tell anyone

companies are not your friends

lol

[shadow plover]

I just skipped stage 2

or rather 1 and 2

[gray umbra]

Cool setting

Scumbag company not surprising

[shadow plover]

GW has become a lot better in the last 10 years though

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah

they appeal to their playerbase a lot

[queen laurel]

Nowadays you always have to beat that into people's skull more than usual

[storm jungle]

GW's policies still very much say you cannot produce fan animation too

but like

even when it got announced

[queen laurel]

with a rocket propelled club at that too

[storm jungle]

minus them bagging like... 2 animators? Nothing came out of it

People got scared as if they can sue you over doing fanart/videos mfer who has time for that

[shadow plover]

yeah and it would be a public opinion suicide

[storm jungle]

^

[wintry scarab]

But having a good relationship with your customer base goes further than people realize. Its sad how little reputation has value now a days.

[storm jungle]

Yeah but thats the thing you guys forget

most people dont care

[shadow plover]

the TOS update was to cover their ass legally as they clearly were planning on hiring people from the general sphere of fanimation

[storm jungle]

they just keep buying minis

you cannot boycott a company like GW

they need to do something actually henious

[wintry scarab]

I mean yeah. Its sad to see how many minis my friend has and he hasnt painted in like 3 years. More than £2000 id say. 85% grey plastic still.

[storm jungle]

Yep lol

[queen laurel]

you make a space marine figure and name it

Canlion The tyranid Flayer
it's just a space marine Dual Wielding 2 heavy bolters people will buy it

[storm jungle]

its the same with stuff like Darktide

"omg i hate the premium shop so much!!!"

literally everyone is buying from it

lol

[wintry scarab]

All bought from their store for like a 40% increase compared to 3rd party sellers

[storm jungle]

Yep.

At the end of the day they make good minis

[wintry scarab]

I always see ppl on youtube make a vido being like "this mtx store is scummy" 5 weeks later they are kitted out in all the latest cosmetics. Fuck off

[storm jungle]

LOL

[celest dome]

Still have my Imperial version's Aquila

[wintry scarab]

Im in a pissed off mood now lol

[queen laurel]

@storm jungle Leaked footage of GW commanding their diabolical employees

[storm jungle]

lmao

[orchid lark]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/398170876022882306/1163112658359287818/vfIH5oJsLh.gif?ex=653e6413&is=652bef13&hm=6d7a943bc97992be7d9787a23efeb6496eba53dd8bce034d88e32aefd22eb2bf&

[green loom]

The warhammer fanbase deserves Games Workshop

When you've met so many people who lack basic sense and are just loud mouth ignorant shitheads then you start getting mildly spiteful

Warhammer anims are only praised because they look good

[queen laurel]

You're telling me you're derogative remarks at the fanbase was mildly putting it?

[green loom]

90% of the people who watch and talk about this weeks cool piece of fan art just parrot what they saw in a comment

There's no thought there

Just a twisted sense of brand loyalty because "Durrr thing shiny!"

While also hating the company that gives them that brand(While magically avoiding almost every single one of the many valid reasons you have to hate them)

"They got hired, why is the quality worse??"

Because now there's deadlines, now there's teams and marketing and other bullshit layered on top of the fans making it

[queen laurel]

in the first place they are just classic company that wants money, there are companies out there that are far more scummy than GW

[green loom]

I mean GW is scummy

I just think the fans deserve it

[queen laurel]

GW looks like a Saint compared to some of the ******* things I've read other companies do

[queen laurel]

warhammer fans are in the gutter yes

Still remember that rather hilarious drama you told about this chat once

[green loom]

I don't

[storm jungle]

do you remember anything

[queen laurel]

if it's making a plan to insult you then yes he does

[green loom]

No

[queen laurel]

he will remember something very very specific if it means he just gets to spite you

[green loom]

My bad experiences with warhammer fans tend to blur together so I don't think about specifics much

Except the one time I had to tell someone that telling a new person to prime in their closed, unventilated basement was a horrible idea

[queen laurel]

would i be right in my assumption to assume that you are a gelatinous BLOB that just draws from time to time and drinks anything that he deems delicious

[green loom]

I wish

[queen laurel]

while also throwing out the occasional insult

[green loom]

Also coke zero cherry kinda sucks

Though I do wonder where that came from

[storm jungle]

man that looks so satisfying

[river walrus]

Ulgo think that scottish zealot canon crime is misplaced faith. He think he worshipped emperor but he worshipped Khorne

[rocky gale]

Turns out that the Drukhari Venom comes with 3 Wyches each that you're supposed to stick on it to look like it's crew, sure would be a shame if I just put them on bases instead and got a free squad of Wyches.

[raven stone]

I would assume the Venom is on Autopilot…

[rocky gale]

3 Wyches not including the Pilot

[raven stone]

Ooohhhh nice.

[rocky gale]

But honestly you don't need to include the pilot either, there's a visor you can put that covers the cockpit and most people paint it solid you can't see the cockpit

Except the Pilot is less usefull for other things because he's got no legs

[raven stone]

I would say you need the gunner? (Having looked at the pic for it)

But if you convert to a closed gunner turret, yes.

[rocky gale]

Not really, you can put the gun on without the gunner, it won't change it's function

Like on the Rhino you can put a Stormbolter on the top hatch and have it unmanned or manned, either way it's still functional in game

[raven stone]

Ah, good point.

[rocky gale]

But I have put the gunner on one of my Venoms, I'm going to leave them off the other two

[random valley]

This is all I can think of with that

[river walrus]

Ulgo was bodyguard. Is Ulgo hyper-intely-intere-i... is Ulgo big smart?

[rose thorn]

Is there a list of notable companies during the HH? Like the ultramarine’s 22nd who called them selves ‘nemesis’

[storm jungle]

you gotta use lexi for that one

[rose thorn]

I can’t find a list

I tried looking and I can’t find anything besides the 22nd

[rose thorn]

Oh it’s under the horus heresy alphabetical list

Wait- is it chapters of companies in hh?

[celest dome]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ultramarines#Companies ?

[rose thorn]

OHHHH okay so HH Ultramarines split their legion into chapters

And the chapters into companies

[green loom]

A lot of the legions made us of chapters

or other formations

Like IW Grand companies

[celest dome]

I think the easiest would be taking all the different lists like theses https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Category:Formations_(Ultramarines) and note those named

There is also this, most would still be active in the HH I'd guess https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Known_Great_Crusade_Chapters_of_the_Ultramarines

Like 4th "Auroran"
19th "Evocatii"
20th "Eagles"
21st "Hawks"

Wait Evocatii is something different from a name

[rose thorn]

okay so chapters was only in the ultra amrines

That makes sense

And gully man made the codex astarties based off his chapter system

[celest dome]

I'm trying to find similar lists for other Legions but I'm finding nothing atm

[rose thorn]

HH has worst logistics then 40k tbh

[arctic talon]

Lol

[celest dome]

I mean, kinda, kinda not

[rose thorn]

WIAT

Okay it’s on the legion’s let

Lex*

Word bearers Lex

[spring cairn]

solar auxilia soon

https://tenor.com/view/dawg-skull-emoji-gif-24661581

[rose thorn]

Yup just checked Luna wolves and Raven guard

Chapters are not in the alphabetical list besides ultra marines

And word bearers

[versed ledge]

Power wash it, my dude

Treat the metal box as something more valuable than your life

[celest dome]

They usually base them on actual model, but not sure if it's a rule

[storm jungle]

Its a miniature from the tabletop same with the landing platforms you see in Darktide among other things, also makes sense for it to be everywhere since 40k is very industrial in most of its level layout

[green loom]

On that note

You're literally in a factory in that game

[nocturne crest]

So quick question, but does any of the chaos legions use loyalist SM Gene-seed for recruitment?

[celest dome]

Yes

[storm jungle]

Yes. Tons.

Usually through raids/stealing

[celest dome]

Fabius did it for example

But I think they Apothecary even have a tool specifically to harvest the Geneseed of enemy SM

[green loom]

Famous Iron Warrior smith Honsou is made with fist stock

At least partly

[celest dome]

Like an eviler Narthetium but I don't remember the name

[dusk patrol]

There’s probably more ultramarines in the Black Legion than anything else

Also feeds into the “it doesn’t matter who your daddy is” thing GW tries to emphasize

[crisp heath]

Chaos marines usually travel in warbands, not legions. Warband members can have literally any geneseed, and even warbands that are from a single legion (like First Claw Night Lords) don't usually work together with other warbands of their legions

[celest dome]

The special ingredient is theft

[dusk patrol]

So stop making cringe “omg my guys are a traitor geneseed chapter” homebrew smh

It’s not cool it’s not special

Your homebrew idea is bad and you should feel bad

https://tenor.com/view/shame-go-t-game-of-thrones-walk-of-shame-shameful-gif-4949558

[crisp heath]

Thousand Sons are the big exception because funny sand ghost

[dusk patrol]

No

They’re all dumb

Traitor geneseed chapter is dumb stop doing it I hate it just make your dudes unknown

[crisp heath]

I'm talking about traitors using loyal geneseed/not working with their legion

[storm jungle]

The progenoid glands of non-Rubric Thousand Sons can be used to make new marines, they actively recruit from psykers they find on raids on the Imperium. Mutation of the geneseed is a potential problem though as with all CSM. You need relatively untainted geneseed to make marines as opposed to just killing the recruit or making a Chaos Spawn, so a good portion of your oldest and most powerful marines geneseed is useless.

[celest dome]

Your homebrew: traitor geneseed, old, bland, overdone
My homebrew: Chaos geneseed, new, special and never done before

[dusk patrol]

Idk why people don’t get you can just make any geneseed like sieging or be melee boys or whatever

They don’t need to be IW or WE geneseed to be those things

[nocturne crest]

So what happens if they use Space Wolves or Blood Angels geneseed?

[dusk patrol]

Then they come with those traits

Also the SW ones cant visit Fenris

[nocturne crest]

Does their geneseed curse eventually pass onto the space marines?

[dusk patrol]

And have to be primaris

[celest dome]

The only ones that have difficulties increasing their geneseed stock for the Chaos side are the TSons and the DG right ?

[dusk patrol]

Yes but we don’t see it much

[crisp heath]

My homebrew: someone found a bucket of DNA in an old filing cabinet on Terra, they don't even know if it's technically "geneseed" but man did it fuck that teenager up when we injected him full of the stuff

[dusk patrol]

They couldn’t really use SW geneseed tbh

There are traitor SW but their geneseed isn’t stable enough

[storm jungle]

Theres a reason they just get geneseed from generic chapters

[dusk patrol]

There’s a reason they get geneseed from the more stable chapters

Yeah

[nocturne crest]

Ah.

[celest dome]

Oh it's just old Thunder Warrior stuff and people injected by it become unstable but stronger.
And the other chapters are just thinking that it's a Blood Angels stuff

[dusk patrol]

Ultras and Dark Angels are the gold standard mostly, Iron Hands, Imperial Fists, Scars, sorta RG work fine too

Sallies have some issues and Blood Angels and SW obviously have a lot

[nocturne crest]

I'm just wondering if chaos wulfen or a CSM that undergoes the black rage would be possible.

[dusk patrol]

Sallies geneseed is also super uncommon

Ultra is the most common

[storm jungle]

Yes it would be

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[crisp heath]

Chaos wulfen definitely exist

[dusk patrol]

We just don’t see it much

[storm jungle]

this is just not explored because its not interesting yeah

[dusk patrol]

But yeah there are chaos SW

[storm jungle]

led by

uh

BADVULF

no

LMAO

ITS VULFBAD

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Blood_Wolves

FUCK ME

[nocturne crest]

Good old Vulfbad.

[crisp heath]

lmao I was going to link you Vulfbad's wiki

[green loom]

B b b but Eternal, what do you mean geneseed doesn't automatically decide what your personality will be like????

[storm jungle]

I WANT TO DIE

[celest dome]

Homebrew idea: Imperial Fist chapter that started from a House Goliath Ganger that did not get the complete upgrades and had to go about without it, and now made a whole Chapter where they use half SM geneseeds and half Goliath gene techs

[crisp heath]

I do want to make a super cheesy, Dr. Who themed time travelling chaos wulfen named Badulf now

[nocturne crest]

But I don't remember Vulfbad's gang having any Wulfen in it.

[storm jungle]

his nemesis can be a daemon named Bagoul

https://tenor.com/view/sinister-baghuul-bagul-baghul-mr-boogie-gif-19005376

[dusk patrol]

Same people who think all Sallies are nice dudes who hug kids and are chill and all Ultras are by the book soldiers

[green loom]

Gabagoul

[storm jungle]

no no

Badabing Babadook

[green loom]

Ahem
"Cato is like, the most ultramarine, ultramarine"

I HATE AR

[storm jungle]

Ultramarine Fans: Oh wow so many Successors to choose from!

Chaos Marine Fans: Oh wow so many Chapters to steal geneseed from!

[crisp heath]

I'm so happy Cato has PTSD now

[storm jungle]

[rocky gale]

Badwolf mentioned, Doctor Who hours engaged

[dusk patrol]

Like you can just look at Blood Angels successors, and how vastly different they are at dealing with the exact same issues

[storm jungle]

its fucking hilarious in their case to be fair

[arctic talon]

Also one of them thought they were ultramarine sucessors for like

[storm jungle]

Dante is just "WHY THE FUCK CANT YOU GUYS JUST BE NORMAL"

[arctic talon]

90% of their existance

[nocturne crest]

https://tenor.com/view/doctorwho-daleks-dalekemperor-blasphemy-gif-20852123

[dusk patrol]

Or Ultramarines where you have Mortifactors and Spears of the Emperor as the same geneseed as Genesis and Novamarines

[arctic talon]

the only reason they found out was by random chance when they ran into the blood angels and their sucessors on Armageddon

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/dr-who-doctor-who-tv-tv-shows-stare-gif-18824354

[crisp heath]

Emperor's Spears mentioned, Tea's neurons stimulated, beginning nerd lust

[dusk patrol]

No

[arctic talon]

What’s the ultramarine sucessor chapter that drinks blood

I forgot

[nocturne crest]

Libators?

[arctic talon]

Yeah them

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/that70s-show-red-foreman-hose-gif-14950325

[arctic talon]

Geneseed == personality is the most boring argument in the world tbh

And I hate it

[crisp heath]

I'm actually looking for a good Space Wolf mini to turn into a Emperor's Spears druid but they'll all be so much work T-T

I like the rune priest but I'm pretty sure he isn't plastic

[green loom]

Have you considered Ragnar

[nocturne crest]

https://tenor.com/view/wild-blue-yonder-doctor-who-wild-blue-yonder-doctor-who-14th-doctor-david-tennant-gif-5908838246978695178

[dusk patrol]

I was gonna say there’s a few which would be pretty simple conversions I feel like

Tbh

It’s mostly just the fur coats lol

[green loom]

Yep

[crisp heath]

he wasn't really what I was looking for, I want something that comes with a lot of dangly bits out the box, like talismans and stuff

[dusk patrol]

Just get gud with green stuff

[crisp heath]

hence I liked the rune priest but yeah

[nocturne crest]

I was wondering earlier about whether to do a tierlist on which SM chapters that deserve a book based on them solely.

[green loom]

Most of the main ones have at least a novel lol

[dusk patrol]

It’s not about deserves

[arctic talon]

That would be painful

[dusk patrol]

It’s just if an author wants to make a decent book

[crisp heath]

honestly I think most chapters have at least one good book in them with the right author and right genre

[green loom]

There are so many marine books

[dusk patrol]

There’s a ton of obscure chapters which got a book or got focus and look bad or good based off how well the author did

Lots of shorts and stuff too

[green loom]

I'd make a joke about charcharadons fans wanting books

[nocturne crest]

Red Talons need some love.

[dusk patrol]

I guess, idk if they’d be done well

[crisp heath]

The carcharodons books were great if you're a Night Lords fan

[dusk patrol]

Their whole thing is they’re bloodthirsty and violent Iron Hands

[green loom]

I want a marines malevolent book

[dusk patrol]

I’d like a MM appearance not done by Kyme

[nocturne crest]

I agree.

[dusk patrol]

His take on them is so boring

[crisp heath]

I'd honestly like a Rainbow Warriors book, unless they do "11th legion" bait

[green loom]

Kyme moment

[arctic talon]

Kyme ruining 2 chapters at once

(It’s so peak)

[green loom]

I'm lucky in that his Cato books are apparently not actually awful l

[dusk patrol]

“Oh wow it’s a Kyme book with a MM character, I’m sure this will be fun. Annnnd he just teamkilled a bunch of people for no reason then died.”

[arctic talon]

Rainbow warriors have like 0 lore so would be fun to have a book with them

[dusk patrol]

Deepest and most interesting Kyme writing

[green loom]

So true oomfie

[dusk patrol]

Their main hurdle is you have to call them something other than rainbow warriors

[crisp heath]

Their lore is literally "we have no idea who these people are"

[dusk patrol]

At the end of the day some chapter names are too dumb

Theres a reason Space Sharks and Wolves don’t tend to use that name lol

[crisp heath]

I'd like if they took all the secrecy and [redacted] and made them another recon/intelligence based chapter

I just like spy novels tho so ymmv

[arctic talon]

Astra Carcharadon

Or whatever

[dusk patrol]

The Rout

The Wolves

[green loom]

Charcharadons Astra DN

[arctic talon]

Did you read assasinorum kingmaker

I will shill it to you

[crisp heath]

Not yet! It's on my list

[arctic talon]

Pog

[dusk patrol]

Vyka Fenriaia or whatever

[green loom]

List? Watchlist?

[crisp heath]

I just got down to reading The Infinite and the Divine and it's been talked about so much that entire chapters are already things I've heard/read before rip

[green loom]

Hamwarmer moment

[nocturne crest]

Nemesis chapter book would be cool

[crisp heath]

I want more Cain novels where he interacts with major characters for one reason and one reason only

Snark battle between Trazyn and Inquisitor Vail

[nocturne crest]

Add some silver skulls to the book and it would be golden.

[green loom]

Patiently waiting for the official celefax honeymoon novel

[crisp heath]

Everyone was mean to Greyfax and now GW doesn't want to write her

I don't think she's been in anything (except maybe game book blurbs?) since Our Martyred Lady

[nocturne crest]

Trazyn calling a Silver Skulls SM brother

[crisp heath]

"People only know who you are because of me"
"Who the hell are you"

[dusk patrol]

I’ve always wanted a Deathwatch killteam short of marines from the war crime chapters

A Red Talon, Flesh Tearer, Mortifactor, Nemesis, Star Phantom, Marine Malevolent

[nocturne crest]

Also, is that Death Watch marine from the Astral Claws still around?

[dusk patrol]

Killteam “Acceptable Casualties”

[dusk patrol]

We don’t know

Probably not

[crisp heath]

Imagine the meme material of the Inquisition dropping a Deathwatch squad of Marines Malevolent, Flesh Tearers, and Mortifactors on an exodite world

[dusk patrol]

Any Astral Claws in the DW likely got killed or became Blackshields

The one dude whose in the FFG books prior to the Claws turning was very much a loyal Astral Claw

He has the same traits of being an Astartes Supremacist

[crisp heath]

We really need more straight comedy books and shorts but GW and Black Library are afraid of fun

[dusk patrol]

Tbh there’s plenty of comedy in a lot of books

It’s a balance

[crisp heath]

Imagine, if you will, a Plague Marine trying to infiltrate a loyalist chapter. Never takes off his armor, everyone admires his dedication and refuses to comment on the body odor it causes. You ask him a question, he responds by vomiting through his helmet's grille.

Celestine novel where she tours every planet in a sector wide warzone. On every planet she has an ex girlfriend she must avoid

[dusk patrol]

[crisp heath]

I don't want a balance, I want cheap gags to the point it becomes annoying

[dusk patrol]

Everyday I am glad more and more GW doesn’t listen to fans

[crisp heath]

I want terrible books that make me smile

I've read too much that's worth the paper it's printed on

[dusk patrol]

Just have Chat GPT write you some

[crisp heath]

No, I need the satisfaction of knowing a human being mistakenly believed they were providing something of value to the world

Make the horse heresy canon

[dusk patrol]

[nocturne crest]

There better not be a SM chapter called Hands in it.

[crisp heath]

Wait

Inquisitor heldane turned to chaos

The horse heresy happened

nevermind apparently I misremembered, he wasn't chaos, just a villain

[wintry scarab]

What is this marine?

[rocky gale]

A Chapter Ancient

Give me a second and I'll find which variant specifically

He's a Bladeguard Ancient that was availible in the Indomitus boxset

He is unfortunately currently only available from GW in the Honoured of the Chapter box, although you can probably get him individually from resellers

In lore he's basically what he looks like, an elite veteran who has earned the right to carry the banner of his chapter into battle.

[wintry scarab]

Why is he unarmed? Or does he have a sidearm where we cant see?

[rocky gale]

Sidearm in a back holster

and I believe he can also bonk people with the banner

But his role is mostly to inspire the troops, lead a charge or act as a rallying point

A respectable bonking stick

[dusk patrol]

Also they’re posing, and it’s a game how he is there isn’t necessarily how he would be in combat. Beyond using the banner as a weapon he would probably bring other weapons too

[rocky gale]

Yea tbh it doesn't really make sense that he doesn't have a sword, like a regular Chapter Ancient can have either a Bolt Rifle or a Power Sword, while the Bladeguard Ancient has neither and must make do with only a pistol

Like why would a Bladeguard Ancient not have a blade

[storm jungle]

No you guys dont get it

All banner bearers pose and stand still

[rose thorn]

What if the banner was a bunch of swords

[storm jungle]

no

[rose thorn]

but what if the banner of swords were attached to swords and swords

whats that ancient ass book the gw paint team made where they made up a shit laod of random space marine chatper paint schemes

[crisp heath]

It is absolutely the most 40k shit to have a standard bearer strike a cool pose and stand perfectly still in a highly visible position

[rose thorn]

lmao

there was a book i cant remember what its called

im digging throufh all the 'heres 200 space marien chatpers' books i can find

THIS IS JUST LIKE 50 PAGES OF RANDOM CHAPTERS

WHY WOULD YOU DO THIS

there is NO LORE

this is a bunch of chapters they made

for this book

[crisp heath]

I'm guessing Red Wolves were SW successors? Was that ever a thing that was possible before the primaris?

[rose thorn]

yea space wolves didnt liek it

im pretty sure tehri second sucessor turned chaos

[queen laurel]

It's definitely a test to see if they can make a new space marine chapter that the fans will love

Or you know they just want to give space marines more attention than they already have because they sure as shit needed it

[rose thorn]

remember this ancient piece of shit

hes scratching his tummy :(

[crisp heath]

No it's the sweaty nerd equivalent of those inspo guides fashionista divorced moms love

[rose thorn]

lmaO

[crisp heath]

My god look on the cranium on that lad

[rose thorn]

the intern can NOT draw

[crisp heath]

Did they make these in MS paint

[crisp heath]

I'm going to tell people "old 40k art was the coolest thing ever made" and send them these

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[crisp heath]

Oh I mean the termie isn't terrible

[orchid lark]

Its like old Neopets

It has a charm to them all

[crisp heath]

his bolter is weirdly concave

[queen laurel]

my god this Motha fucka so bald it can literally shine in drawing

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[crisp heath]

Remember, it's canon to neopets lore that the reason the site underwent a massive update that changed a lot of code and features was because the original staff murdered each other and the company experienced a hostile takeover

[rose thorn]

ist so funny because sometstuff you can tell is importated from like irl drawings

then you get

shogun

[crisp heath]

They reduced a shotgun down to it's bare essentials, and then left it half-racked for some reason

true artists

how do you think you hold that

hang on we're going back up for a sec

[crisp heath]

I swear to god

For a half second

I thought this man had a chastity belt

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[crisp heath]

"Brother, you do not understand, I must use this device to (ostensibly) keep myself pure in the eyes of our Emperor!"

[rose thorn]

gw use to name their painting sections in white dwarves colors of war

but THATS ALREADY A THING GW

THERES LUIKE 30 MODEL PAINTING BOOKS NAMED COLOURS OF WAR

[rose thorn]

bROTHER! I MIGHT AVOID THE HOMO EROTIC IMPULSE

[rose thorn]

found it!

its how to paitn space marines

excuse me?

NO WAY

[crisp heath]

is

is the urban camoflage supposed to look like little buildings

Also what in a tundra is bright red. Take your time

Oh, apparently there are red grasses in a lot of tundras. I forgive it.

[rose thorn]

im torturing my military nut friend

with tehse camo

[crisp heath]

New question

Why would you make specialized camo to fight tyranids

[rose thorn]

I DONT KNOW

[crisp heath]

Did you send him the space sharks camo

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/a/a5/Space_Sharks_Camo_Variant.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20210929183459

[rose thorn]

omg thats amaizng

[crisp heath]

I love that Carcharodons are supposed to be this edgy, mysterious, and brutal chapter, but they have an alternate color scheme that looks like someone tried to paint a taxi while drunk

[rose thorn]

TALK ABUOT A GLOW UP GOD DAMN

i dont think this is true...

[crisp heath]

Oh, speaking of, portugeuse image incoming

[rose thorn]

the destroyers are a loyalist chapter

[rose thorn]

?

[crisp heath]

https://i.pinimg.com/564x/46/d1/36/46d136064035bd8df46e0c0e5cb1a8eb.jpg

[crisp heath]

That is spanish, do not correct me

Anyway, I found out the story behind why that bolter is so... unuseable

It's Azrael's bolter

And in Azrael's old mini, it had a notch there, because Azrael carries it under his shoulder

[rose thorn]

OKAY SO

THAT BOLTER IS A SIDE LOADER

[crisp heath]

as in, it's a whole, normal bolter, he's just holding it weird

[rose thorn]

I RESEARCHED TI AND EVERYTHIGN

[crisp heath]

The artist just copied the piece of the mini exactly

[queen laurel]

So they didn't even bother to fix the shape of it?

Like they didn't even try to straighten out the mag

[rose thorn]

IT IS A FUCKING SIDE LAODER

THAT JUST AN EXTRA MAG ON THE BACK

[queen laurel]

Ohh thank goodness that fixes the eyes a bit

But why didn't they display it with the side mag

[rose thorn]

ive seen the old model irl

it has the isde laoder too

[crisp heath]

Second mini

[rose thorn]

ive seen the back of teh old mini its a side loader

[queen laurel]

oh 2

[rose thorn]

unless the store modded it on tehre

[crisp heath]

I think we're both right, it does have a side loader, but the art is based off misinterpreting the mini

[rose thorn]

yea 100%

[queen laurel]

i'm going to be honest 100% i would go with the side loader

[rose thorn]

wait we cant cuss anymore?

[queen laurel]

Fuck

[rose thorn]

fucking

auto bot blocked my message

;~;

[queen laurel]

Mother Fucker

[rose thorn]

only i cant cuss smg

[crisp heath]

You probably used a combination of words that implied something sexual instead of just cussing

[rose thorn]

smh

[crisp heath]

happened to me a few times

[rose thorn]

Oh

[queen laurel]

Type appetite

[rose thorn]

appetite

[queen laurel]

ok

seems the bot as usual is being a fuck

The bot would cancel that out because it could literally spell tit

[rose thorn]

damn

[spare osprey]

it's a redesign completely

honestly, I'm still a fan of the art design

still a bullpup, and it's actually physically possible for the bullets to get from one point to another

[queen laurel]

yeah i just wish that this didn't exist and it went to a chiropractor for a flattening

[bright garden]

What in the unholy omnissiah

[spare osprey]

yeah

[bright garden]

Executing eye bleach protocols

[orchid lark]

The artist who did that took the model design literally

And not realise it was like that because of modeling issues

If you look at the old azrael model, the gun is clipping into his pauldrons

[orchid lark]

The gun in this is closer to the Umbra Ferrox Pattern Bolters and not the Godwyn Bolters

Classic design that Umbra pattern

[tulip brook]

Hot plasma coils right below gas chamber?

I don't even care bullpup design is just an afterthought to place a magazine

[undone zodiac]

I do like the dumb look

[tulip brook]

Side mag makes it look even dumber imo

[burnt maple]

Azrael's bolter, hue.

[tulip brook]

They should've worked out artwork design

[orchid lark]

They should just never stopped doing side by side weapons

Instead of making up and down combos

Terminators still use combi weapons that are side by side (loyalists use Storm Bolters, but some do carry bolter combi something)

A fatter gun as opposed to weird tall gun

[spring cairn]

could the railcannon strike stratagem one shot horus

[storm jungle]

Nope.

He's literally an avatar of the chaos gods, he'd probably one shot that cruiser out of orbit lol

[orchid lark]

Terminator armour weird tough

Oh yeah that too

[spring cairn]

i think it would be easy to target him and his dumb shining dome

just shoot that blinding light done there

[orchid lark]

Are Primarch Terminator armour, Terminator Armours or Terminator - Like

Did the Mechanicum just have like oh yeah we got massive suits of armour

[storm jungle]

Its a lot more custom made and special

[orchid lark]

Dont know what radioactive environments DAoT humans were soing

[storm jungle]

its either master-crafted or some sort of terminator armor

[rocky gale]

I know that Pert designed his own custom Terminator Armour

[orchid lark]

Yeah i figured

[storm jungle]

Yeeee

only like 1-3 of them are actual termie armor and even then its super-customized

[orchid lark]

Like the materials for a primarch terminator armour had to like match a massive knight or something

[storm jungle]

like by the end of the Heresy it doesnt even matter if Horus is wearing armor since he becomes a mini-god lol

[orchid lark]

Thats a lot of like specific materials

“We could repair the nuclear generators and water pumps….but Ferrus made an order for an armour.”

[storm jungle]

Me but replace "armor" with "videogames"

[orchid lark]

NEET

[queen laurel]

Shit the gun on the thing literally shoots plasma bulltets that uses the target's biomass as a fuel to burn said target into a smoking pile of ash

[rocky gale]

He's just such a cool dude

[queen laurel]

that thing would have been very useful against those tyranids

[orchid lark]

“We could solve imperial wide hunger problems if we use these specific light super tough alloys.”
“Yeah Sorry Sanguinius needs them all for his armours”

[rocky gale]

He needs more gold

https://tenor.com/view/golden-boi-gold-f3v3r-gif-25055048

[storm jungle]

I'm glad people aren't like this IRL

[rose thorn]

To be fair it’s pretty terrible

[storm jungle]

Yeah its still bad lmao

[queen laurel]

hey Dilara I'm gonna hold you at gunpoint again to ask a question, Psyker Powers can take any form yes

can take any form yes

you Could electrocute someone or enhance your physical strength yes

[celest dome]

Yes

Biomancy

For both

Bio-lightning and Hammerhand/Steel Arm being basic examples

[queen laurel]

And if you have enough potent power you can augment your body to basically punch with enough force to match someone with a power fist yes

theoretically speaking

[celest dome]

Yes

[queen laurel]

besides the emperor and the primemarchs who was the strongest Psyker the imperium has

[celest dome]

Between the 2 the Emp

But there might be other as high

[spring cairn]

Malcador probably

[rocky gale]

Not counting Primarchs or the Temperor probably one of the Perpetuals like Malcador or one of the Chief Librarians like Mephiston

[spring cairn]

my psyker oc i just made up is also at emperor level of psychic ability

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/neuJS2_WPYI?si=qbOLYwprZVj-2ew5 because I want to recreate this as a character in 40k

[rocky gale]

Or if you're looking for more obscure characters there's Ax’senaea, who casually absorbed three Keepers of Secrets, then when she tried to absorb a fourth Slaanesh made her a Daemon Prince so that she'd stop.

[queen laurel]

oh yeah her

Ego so massive it impressed a God

[rocky gale]

"Please stop eating all my Daemons, please I'll give you powers if you stop"

and the guy who taught her the technique to summon Daemons only did so because he thought it would either kill or possess her and instead she just slurped it down and said "Waiter, more Daemons please"

[green loom]

Literally me

[rose thorn]

I love listening to Legio Symphica and then getting a fucking Burger King ad right after

The two literal most opposites genres of music

Imagine being an imperial church then hearing ‘whopper whopper’

Grox whopper

[queen laurel]

i would go up to a space marine and tell him i like to worship chaos

[storm jungle]

As the others have said, yes.

and psyker powers are literally "whatever the author wants" half the time.

High level psykers can just do basically anything ala Ahriman and so on.

[rose thorn]

There’s different categories of psykers ie pyromancer biomancer religion technomancy (some how)

Some pryomancer’s spells are completely different from others

From colors to smell to type of fire

[river walrus]

Ulgo think bodyguard ogryn is smart Ogryn

[queen laurel]

A Boxing Psyker is gonna be in the makings yes

[river walrus]

Like lil uns are

[rose thorn]

Biomancer

[queen laurel]

yep

[rose thorn]

Necromunda?

I was planning to do the same for a GSC orlock gang

[storm jungle]

Psykers never get explored enough so this is a good idea

[rose thorn]

I can send my build when I get a chance

[queen laurel]

@storm jungle video basically represents my idea

[queen laurel]

yeah i was gonna write this guy who is like a bouncer and bodyguard who it's notorious for just beating people with no weapons in just his hands

i could also go as like a personal bodyguard for a rogue trader

[rose thorn]

Based

Mine is a Kamen rider reference

[tough haven]

Holy shit, they said the line

‘This arakhia is a fell creature. Not just brutal, but swift and cunning.”

Brutal kunnin’ baybee!

[queen laurel]

Is this Da Big Dakka

[tough haven]

Yeah

So far excellent book

[storm jungle]

Finished it yesterday, hated it lmao

Good for orks but the dark eldar are shown as so incompetent in it that it was legit insulting.

[tough haven]

Oh darn

[storm jungle]

Like

[tough haven]

Yeah but thats what happens when a book is written about a faction

That faction wins

[storm jungle]

not really a spoiler but Ufthak literally gets shot by an ossification pistol (it makes you grow your bones and jut them out of you and explode and its basically an instant death sentence)

[tough haven]

And it’s often stupid how they do

[storm jungle]

And he gets fixed because the painboy hits him with a syringe

and instead it adds to his intelligence and size

lol

[tough haven]

I’m kind of used to that kinda shit happening to factions I like lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah same lmao

I wont have bad blood over it but it was annoying

[rocky gale]

Tabletop accurate tbf, Drukhari are currently the worst performing faction in the game.

[storm jungle]

AAA-

I think my problem is Ufthak is a really big Mary Sue

he basically has zero issues or conflict/obstacles across the two books

[tough haven]

The orkish tactic of “fuck it, we ball” wins again

[tough haven]

Kinda true

[storm jungle]

Yeah its because Brooks said hes literally his OC so lol

[tough haven]

I just like Orky characters not completely averse to finkin

But yeah he doesn’t have really any conflicts or anything like Ghaz does

[rocky gale]

Yea was just about to say, pretty sure he's said in interviews that Ufthawk was his Ork OC before he even started writing for BL

[storm jungle]

Yeah but xenos book so ill take it

[tough haven]

But I mean, I suppose Ghaz is unique in that regard

[storm jungle]

I think the only thing id shit on this book is the chapters with Nizwik the grot, they are so fucking boring lmao

i skipped all of them

[tough haven]

So true , I’ll take anything at this point

It’s readable

[queen laurel]

There are two ways to make an ork character make them killing machines that spout goofy stuff or as terrifying warlords that will literally break the entire world with just a shout

[rocky gale]

So he's basically just writing canon fanfiction

[storm jungle]

This yeah

[tough haven]

I mean, I think he’s done that

[storm jungle]

Thats basically my sole criticism with the book

[tough haven]

Isn’t that kinda almost of the books though

[queen laurel]

i mean at least he's honest that he's saying that his OC is the main character

[tough haven]

Whatever faction is the main character gets fucking crazy plot armor

[storm jungle]

Kind of, most books have pre-existing special characters

Ufthak's problem is he faces no opposition

hes never in any danger

[tough haven]

It’s only different because other factions have enough special characters to use

Orks don’t have that

[storm jungle]

He literalyl gets attacked by a pack of Mandrakes alone and his tactic is "hit them with a hammer"

[queen laurel]

Brutal cunning the closest he fought was the high-ranking mechanicus

Princess saved him in that duel

Badrukk was doing fine against the guy

[tough haven]

Without spoiling it, it does in this one too

[queen laurel]

Princess is basically his Jurgen

He does all the heavy lifting but round thing comes in clutch when needed

[storm jungle]

Ufthak ends up in like 4-5 scenarios where he should have died but doesn't lmao

the Mandrake attack was legit pushing it but the Ossificator pistol shot annoyed me.

[tough haven]

I do agree though, I thought this was gonna be a story of him being brought to the lowest he’s been in the fighting pits of Comorragh and then rising up, a changed Ork

[storm jungle]

^

IT WAS LITERALLY MARKETED AS THAT

[tough haven]

So that’s a little annoying

[storm jungle]

Yeah the arena segment lasts like 2 chapters hope you like that lmao

[tough haven]

But as I said, I’ll take fucking anything for more orks

[queen laurel]

Ulfthak on his training arc to challenge that demon that he killed on the first book

That is what it's looking like to me to be honest

[tough haven]

To a certain extent orks are kinda like this in general to be honest

Weirdly overpowered for no good reason, because cool and/or funny shit

And that’s why I love em

[storm jungle]

Yeah unfortunately anything that happens in this book gets a pass because "lol ork"

[queen laurel]

Yeah orks suffer the same problem as Skaven

[tough haven]

If you want lore accuracy they’re all over the place, but that’s just warhammer

[tough haven]

True

[queen laurel]

Could make them completely useless

[tough haven]

But at least it’s entertaining

Somewhat

[queen laurel]

or they literally turn an entire city to ash with a single flick of a weapon

[tough haven]

So tabletop accurate

It’s just gambling

[queen laurel]

yeah writing wise they are not the most flexible when it comes to characteristics

They are just designed in really one way

Fun

[rocky gale]

See this is why I like Book of Martyrs, because although it's a Sisters book all of the Short stories cover every faction involved pretty fairly, the one with the Tyranids in it is like 95% the Tyranids constantly outsmarting the Sisters and then the short story with the Tau shows them as competent and diplomatic while attempting to be reasonable and only failing because they're trying to reason with an insane zealot.

[tough haven]

And I love it

[queen laurel]

They are hilarious and horrifying at the same time

[tough haven]

It’d be different if it was a faction that’s trying to be serious

At least Orks acknowledge that it’s dumb from the get go

[queen laurel]

Yeah it works at two ways it can be hilarious or it can be serious there's no in between when it comes to orks

On the point of view of orks they are just lads having fun

[tough haven]

All by one author though

That’s part of the issue

[queen laurel]

The point of view of the enemy they are barbaric fools that would turn anyone into nothing more than a splashed paste

[tough haven]

Which leads most to underestimate them

[queen laurel]

Underestimating orks is a fast route to the grave

[tough haven]

I’ll admit I like the concept of orks having failings, like self doubt in Ghaz’s case, but I get that orks don’t generally tend to have those, or at least live long enough to discover them

[queen laurel]

The thing with ghaz iz

He's a Messiah

literally a prophet of the gods

[tough haven]

Yeah I get that it’s extraordinary

[queen laurel]

He disappoints he could be kicked so far into the sky he would be nothing more than a block in the stars

Having expectations placed upon you is not a good way to improve your mental health

Most orks just look for fight

fight

rince repeat until you are the greatest

[tough haven]

Yeah it’s not normal for them to have specific long term goals to fail at

[storm jungle]

I think another thing that annoyed me

"Orks dont feel fear"

cue every time they run away because their boss gets killed

lol

[queen laurel]

OK that is false

They have incredibly high morale sure but you can break it

That's like one of the ways few imperial characters win against them

[tough haven]

And the druk would know that

[queen laurel]

Target the big ones first

[rocky gale]

It's three shorts stories each with their own author and the author who wrote the short story of the Sisters vs Tau mostly writes Tau books, so that's why it's equally flattering to both sides.

[storm jungle]

Yeah its more battlefield shock more than "OH GOD I WANT MY MOMMY"

[tough haven]

Yeah, I doubt Mike brooks writes drukari often if at all so I get it

But I like his writing otherwise

[queen laurel]

Yeah fear is a very very useful weapon and making orks retreat more than anything is one of the few ways people defeat them because on all out war it's going to drain you of your supplies against them

[tulip brook]

Space marines know no fear either 🗿

[tough haven]

Maybe that’s what they mean?

[storm jungle]

Yeah its more that in this book its said constantly

[tough haven]

Like a cognizant fear

That’s near impossible to get out of them cause they just don’t care lol

[queen laurel]

An ork would look at the warp storm and say that's hilarious

[tough haven]

Or know

[queen laurel]

So I do see why they don't have the normal way of fear

They won't be scared by a random ghost popping up if anything they would punch the ghost and continue on moving

[tough haven]

But they can be demoralized

[tough haven]

That’s actually a line with the mandrakes

Something along the lines of, any intelligent race would freeze and be killed by shadows coming out of the ground

But an Ork just punches it

[storm jungle]

^

He just bonks them lol

[tough haven]

Hm, how do you write an ork character with flaws?

[tulip brook]

With their potential for violence, they'd fight the things they fear harder ig

[tough haven]

Ufthak I guess is obsessive and can hold grudges so there might be something there

[storm jungle]

Basically having them lose or be pushed down the pecking order etc

Orks live in a violent society, you can make a lot from that

[tough haven]

But that never once is problematic which is disappointing

[storm jungle]

Ufthak is just a genius for no reason

[tough haven]

Like you said

[storm jungle]

Yeah literally lmao

[tough haven]

He has flaws, but they just don’t matter

[tulip brook]

Emphasize on their clan quirks?

[tough haven]

Also true

[green loom]

Make them an ork

[tough haven]

They make it out like it’s the natural progression of becoming a warboss which is odd

[green loom]

Same deal as Human folly

[queen laurel]

yeah they occupy the same space as skaven, most of the time they are just killing machines with no quirks and are pretty good at doing what they do but if you get one with interesting things to get attached to they're immediately becoming a hit to the fans

[green loom]

I think it might have to do with reincarnation being a straight up thing with Orks

[tough haven]

I mean he’s kinda like mekboy a bit

[tough haven]

Possibly

[tough haven]

I mean there’s plenty of human characters like that

Just “is a savant at thing because why not”

But I always write my characters with flaws, the more debilitating the better, with limits ofc, I’m not always the best at conveying those flaws but eh. I like to write characters like Darkest Dungeon heroes

[queen laurel]

my ork Characters are bland but the thing with orks is that even if they are quite bland it works

i think the reason why being bland works with orks most of the time is they are just genuinely hilarious

[tough haven]

And I like it

They have a schtick and it works

[queen laurel]

You could do very interesting things with them most definitely

[tough haven]

I don’t write orks though mostly cause I don’t write 40K characters yet

[queen laurel]

But their gimmick of hilarious brutes that talk funny

they do pretty well

[tough haven]

It’s kinda omnipresent though, even if you add a little spice or a quirk, they can always fall back on that

[queen laurel]

yeah Ghaz is basically the only exception to this rule most of the time with how smart he is

[tough haven]

True

But even then he’s got some funny moments

[queen laurel]

yep

[tough haven]

I just wish we had more consistent names characters with orks

Besides Ghaz and the guys in Ghaz’s gang

Like we have named characters but little on them besides badrukk

[queen laurel]

ork names are rather quite simply gutteral and sound like someone getting punched in the gut

[tough haven]

But I guess that’s kinda the point

[queen laurel]

Like Krakka Toof

[tough haven]

Is that they’re nameless warlords that come and go

[tough haven]

Even still, that’s interesting

[queen laurel]

Or Bolt Brain

[tough haven]

I meant named characters

Autocorrect fucked me

The names are perfect

[queen laurel]

well there's Ulfthak

[tough haven]

Yeah now

[queen laurel]

but there is also Gorgutz

[tough haven]

I liked his stuff because I thought he just was the epitome of orkish dumb luck

Like killing a titan by teleporting through its shields

Or even killing that daemon engine

But if it’s gonna keep being this consistent with no downsides or character development it might get boring

[queen laurel]

he definitely is

[tough haven]

The point of dumb luck is that it’s not consistent or expected

[queen laurel]

yeah you can only really do so much to characterize an ork

[tough haven]

I mean yeah but at least have him fall every once and a while so when he gets back up it’s even more Orky

[queen laurel]

making an ork both interesting and Hilarious is quite a feat

[tough haven]

But I admit there’s a bit of a box that’s hard to get out of

[queen laurel]

Gorgutz did that well in Dawn of war

[tough haven]

Either we just gotta accept that he’s a goofy character

[tough haven]

True

I gotta look at his character again

The only thing I will say is orkish dumb luck shouldn’t break the existing rules too much, like the ossification gun stunt otherwise it feeds into the “orks are reality benders” schtick that I hate

[queen laurel]

yeah

That is the unfortunate nature of it

[tough haven]

There’s actually a good quote in this on what the psychic gestalt thing is like in the book

Except I can’t find it

Ofc

[queen laurel]

If he was wearing blue I would believe the dumb luck more but he is using yellow so

does not help

like if you're going to have a dumb luck ork

may as well use the blue

[tough haven]

He’s gotta be boomy

With yellow

[tough haven]

I actually rarely see this trope

[queen laurel]

yeah that's why he's using a shock rifle

[queen laurel]

yeah an ork who survives only through dumb luck would be hilarious if executed correctly and using blue because he's a deathskull would make logical sense because well you know blue is lucky

[tough haven]

Is the pain boy fixing his bones growing out of control within reason within orkish luck?

Considering he’s not blue

[queen laurel]

Pain boyz are fucking ridiculous

in considering they are actually quite good at their job

it's not going to be a surprise that they would pull it off

[tough haven]

So it’s not that crazy all things considered

Well hold on; lemme read it and make sure first

[queen laurel]

an ork dok quite literally became a warboss because he kept taking a little bit off the top he says basically taking the pieces of his warboss for himself to make himself grow bigger

[tough haven]

Yeah but that’s just orks being essentially mr potato heads with their physiology

[queen laurel]

yeah that's the point their Physiology

It's so completely different than the rest of the species in the Galaxy that their doctors who work extensively on that Physiology would know how to make it work the best

It's very easy to heal when you can literally just pick up the head of the decapitated ork and attach it to the body as long as it's still fresh

[tough haven]

Ok I read it and it seems a bit more reasonable

He got stuck with some sort of sharp implement with a poison, not hit with a beam

And then shortly after gets knocked out with some darts, so I guess orkish physiology it selectively resilient

[tough haven]

Found at least one of the quotes

“with an approach to technology which appeared to consist largely of deciding that they were going to achieve the desired result and daring the universe to prove them wrong.”

[storm jungle]

POV: You're the engineers/architects in Dubai

[tough haven]

Electro steroids it was

So it’s not the ossification weapons

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

They have slave labour to help on costs

Sorry I mean immigrant workers who get their visa’s stolen

[queen laurel]

This is not CA wolf

you can say slaves don't worry

[arctic talon]

No I’m using an excuse they use

They say they’re just immigrant workers

Except they don’t have their visa’s

Or get paid that much money

Or are allowed to leave

[tough haven]

“See, da more we fight, da bigger we get.’ It tapped itself on the chest with one massive finger. ‘Da bigger we get, da smarter we get.’ It tapped itself on the side of the head. ‘An’ da smarter we get, da better we get at fightin’.” Chat, is this true?

[arctic talon]

Orks do get smarter as they get bigger generally

[tough haven]

“You know the worst part of being a Slave? That you don’t get to do what you want or leave”

[arctic talon]

Lol

[queen laurel]

They also produce stronger WAAAAAAAGGGGGH fields when they are bigger

[tough haven]

“That’s the only part of being a slave!”

[arctic talon]

Do not ask the US government what the freed slaves did when they colonized Lybia

💀

[storm jungle]

I always think of Dubai when people say "Paradise worlds would be great to live in"

[tough haven]

Ok so ufthak being smart isn’t just out of nowhere

[arctic talon]

Holy shit you’re right lol

[storm jungle]

Literally lol

[tough haven]

Only if you’re rich

[arctic talon]

Ufthak is also decently smart already I’d assume

He just got smarter faster then he got bigger

[tough haven]

Otherwise someone’s gotta be working to make it a paradise

[queen laurel]

No the most successful orks are incredibly smart

Ghaz

Gorgutz

Badrukk

[arctic talon]

Ghaz was smart enough to krump anyone bigger then him

[queen laurel]

and many more

[arctic talon]

And big enough to krump anyone smarter then him

[tough haven]

@storm jungle

‘Weren’t dis smart before,’ Ufthak said. ‘I woz gettin’ dere, but I weren’t dis smart. Den dat git stabbed me wiv da grow-juice, an’ when I woke up everyfing was smaller’n wot it woz, an’ me brain woz bigger.’

I guess this is why he’s so smart?

Doesn’t quite make sense but alright

[arctic talon]

If leviathan gets black library book of the year I’m killing myself

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

[storm jungle]

Probably one of the most boring books I read lol

but nah its gonna be End and the Shit

[queen laurel]

ah yes the mid in the mid

[rocky gale]

Which part though

People might end up splitting their votes between all three and accidentally let a good book win

[spring cairn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiUMMWrl1qE

I'm officially crippled

[rocky gale]

Being maimed proves you've survived engagement with the enemy Diver, which is highly suspicious behaviour if you ask me. Report to your Democracy Officer for questioning.

[spring cairn]

lost the arm on mantes to the 12th rocket devastator that spawned behind me

[arctic talon]

Rocket devestators headshotting and one shotting you is so funny tbh

Even with the explosive resistance armor

[rocky gale]

Sure armours still haven't been fixed so they don't work properly

[arctic talon]

The explosive resistance on the armor works

[rocky gale]

Yea but the rest of the defensive stats don't work properly I think

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[rocky gale]

"Xurzuli herself had only taken on a female form in the last few decades since ascending to the rank of Succubus"

[crisp heath]

I still don't know what a helldiver is

[arctic talon]

Elite shock troops of super earth

(They still have like a 18% survival rate lmao)

[rocky gale]

Not really that elite tbh, you saw the training course, that's all you get before you're thrown into combat

[green loom]

Does this imply

[rocky gale]

Trans Drukhari

[arctic talon]

More elite then the SEAF

Is more so my point lol

[arctic talon]

Tbh wouldn’t be hard for a haemonculi to perform that surgery

[green loom]

Still pretty based

[arctic talon]

Mhm

[rocky gale]

Indeed

[storm jungle]

I asked Mike Brooks on twitter

[green loom]

Oh sweet dilara post

[storm jungle]

he basically said "Im not even implying. She's trans."

lmao

[green loom]

Omega based

[storm jungle]

Basically saying Eldar dont care about gender roles as we do, which makes sense. Their society is very open and accepting.

[spring cairn]

sci-fi's most expendable elite drop troops

I imagine the life of a regular SEAF trooper is even cheaper than the ammo they fire

[green loom]

Brooks continues to be the biggest BL Chad

[queen laurel]

What i like about him is he is very very openly honest with his work

You even said it yourself best because he literally admit it that his character is his oc that he's just doing for fun at this point

[dusk patrol]

Now if only his dialogue didn’t suck

He does write good action scenes though

But jfc I can’t sit through his attempts at having people communicate

[storm jungle]

Yeah uh

its even worse in this book lol

[crisp heath]

I mean it's been canon for a while that some Howling Banshees are "male" but are considered women while they're on the Path

Trans Eldar are old

[storm jungle]

It has never been outright said

so no

it hasnt

[dusk patrol]

Those aren’t trans necessarily

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

They’re just wearing the uniform

[storm jungle]

This bluntly basically clears it up

And yeah what Eternal said

its less "you turn into a woman"

more just you can take woman/male-centric roles as the opposite gender since they dont care

with the succubus bit its more different

[dusk patrol]

But yeah as much as he seems like a nice guy I feel like I’m taking crazy pills whenever I read Mike Brooks praise

He’s not the worst and his Ork stuff is fine

But dear god he can’t write people

[queen laurel]

As he writes Orks most of the time i just turn off my brain and turn it into dumb entertainment mode

[dusk patrol]

Yeah he’s best at them

[crisp heath]

OK hot take time. I didn't like the orks in Brutal Kunnin.

I was there for the admech

[queen laurel]

Yahi probably is the ork guy

[dusk patrol]

He’s also really bad at the “Antagonist is dumb as fuck so my OC can win” thing

[queen laurel]

Yeah but hey he admits it at least

[dusk patrol]

I don’t really care tbh

It’s lazy

So much better when people are competent

[queen laurel]

Honesty is quite rare nowadays so i take it with a bit more nuance

[crisp heath]

Nate Crowley is the guy for every xenos, as long as you want them treated more seriously

We need another Nate Crowley xenos book

[tough haven]

They’ve literally made drukari humans, transitioning someone is probably as easy as breathing

[dusk patrol]

Crowley is great

[queen laurel]

Yeah his Ghaz book is a good balance of making orks still hilarious but also very horrifying

[dusk patrol]

Him and Rath are two of my favorite newer authors

[crisp heath]

Da biggest, da smartest, da depressedest

[tough haven]

That’s why he’s my favorite

[storm jungle]

Haemonculi in the past have made Dark Eldar they have have the biology/metabolism of a human as punishment.

Haemonculi basically work on the logic of "can do anything flesh-craft related as logn as the plot allows it"

[dusk patrol]

Also to be clear I’m fine if antagonists or whatever make mistakes but the point is if your OC is only winning because you the author wrote the antagonist to be stupid as fuck for no real reason or a bad one then it doesn’t make them look good

[tough haven]

And Nate is my second favorite

[queen laurel]

Ah yeah the sad reality of having expectations place upon a prophet isn't it

[dusk patrol]

Word Bearers trilogy is imo a great example of both sides being competent and it feels better because of that

No one sucks in that or is dumber than they should be they just get outplayed

[tough haven]

Drukari are tabletop accurate in the book

[dusk patrol]

Or are out of their element

[tough haven]

Also they just wholly underestimate orks

“They won’t find a way to teleport out of where we locked them even though they did it twice already”

“They did it again”

Also drukari being drukari and doing things out of spite

[crisp heath]

If you want complete wackiness, read "The Heretic Saint". She parries a punch from a chaos possessed fortress the size of a titan and the villain is defeated because he ||was secretly atheist||

[dusk patrol]

The whole “Oh boy someone underestimates Orks and it beats them” thing is really boring as a trope at this point

It doesn’t even make much sense in universe

[crisp heath]

Someone accurately estimates the orks, gets eaten anyway

[dusk patrol]

Literally every book with Orks someone goes on about “You shouldn’t underestimate Orks cause it’s bad”

[queen laurel]

I mean to be honest every faction at one point got the treatment Mike does to orks

Especially if it's a chaos book or a space marine book

[tough haven]

Like a succubus letting ufthak out of his cell to fight, after one of them literally had him tell them that if he doesn’t fight he’ll wither and suffer in great deals, and says “hey don’t let that Ork out”

Just to spite that particular archon

And because “it’ll fight good in the arena”

It got out and killed them all

[crisp heath]

I still want an actual tyranid horror novel. Like, a small group of survivors getting picked off one by one as their ship itself is slowly digested, trying to find an escape shuttle small enough to escape without drawing attention from the swarm.

[tough haven]

So true

[crisp heath]

Stalked by a lictor the whole time

[tough haven]

Me too

I’d like an asymmetrical horror game like that

[queen laurel]

It would be fun if it was the death leaper tho

[tough haven]

For imp guard it’s a horror game

For the nid players it’s a fun time

[queen laurel]

Continue his already funny games of breaking people's mind

[crisp heath]

Nah, I'd prefer if it's just a "normal" splinter fleet

Tyranids are already scary

[tough haven]

I was looking forward to see psychological torture of an Ork would look, but they were dumb and didn’t do that

[rocky gale]

Literally The Martyrdom of Sister Ishani

[tough haven]

Deldar are really arrogant though

[crisp heath]

Going on the list

Many thanks

[queen laurel]

I mean the guy already got a sick design so i thought may as well have them appear some more not just in a one-off story

[tough haven]

This isn’t a thing in this book, they all just think “yeah they’re dumb”

And the deldar seem really lazy

[dusk patrol]

And that’s dumb

[tough haven]

In this book at least

They just want the problem to go away lol

[dusk patrol]

Arrogance I get but it just feels silly when it happens every time

[tough haven]

And it kinda does

[dusk patrol]

And those books suck which is my point, it doesn’t do Orks any favors

It’s bad, unsatisfying and lazy when authors have their OC win because the enemy are just stupid as fuck

[tough haven]

The orks just decide “these gitz won’t give us a proper scrap, let’s steal they’re tech and leave”

[tough haven]

I like brutal kunnin because the admech were kinda competent

[dusk patrol]

It’s way more satisfying and fun when both sides are competent and capable and the win feels earned and cool

[tough haven]

I was rooting for em even though I like orks better

[dusk patrol]

I strongly disagreed, they’re a punchline most of the book