40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

Which is intentional

[storm jungle]

Its also literally left to you the player to make up stuff if you get bored with them.

[bold wren]

Maybe expect the votann because they haven't been explored much.

[arctic talon]

Votann got a decent bit

with their first codex

not nearly enough but enough to be somewhat interesting

[bold wren]

I mean their use of AI is interesting and their own machine god.

I mean a literal AI.

[arctic talon]

*gods

there's multiple votann

heh

[storm jungle]

That is indeed the lore.

[rocky gale]

One could say there is a league of them

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/740382637914324992/1210495448217944185/Makoto_Reload_opening.gif

[bold wren]

That all have different goals but ultimately reach the same one money.

[storm jungle]

Not really

thats really simplifying them

[arctic talon]

the Leagues are much less money focused they're more so resource hoarders

[bold wren]

I mean I just know they traded tech with the tau, and got some crazy modular tech.

[arctic talon]

They want to hoard resources

is the big thing

[storm jungle]

They literally just came out bruh

give it time lol

[arctic talon]

Sorta like a doomsday prepper

from what we've seen

maybe GW will change that

but meh I think it works fine

[bold wren]

They're not prepared for the end but for some faction to attack.

[storm jungle]

We dont know that

you are making assumptions again

[arctic talon]

we don't even know why they hoard so much

I'd assume its because the galatic core sucks

but its never explictly stated why they're so resource hungry

[bold wren]

I mean they appear very progressive in technology at least. Resource hungry so much they love trade.

[fossil bloom]

They just have men of iron and STC's that the ad mech have dreams about

[rocky gale]

Speaking of Votann, friend of mine collects them and we're planning on having a game in a couple of weeks, will be my first time actually playing 40k on the Tabletop.

[fossil bloom]

Take out any vehicle first. Especially railguns one.

(They can guarantee 5 space marines dead a shot)

[rocky gale]

I'm not sure what his list is yet, don't think he has any Sagitaurs, but he does have atleast one Hekaton.

[fossil bloom]

Atleast you can't get squad wiped one shot then atleast.

[spring cairn]

votanns are cool, i wish they were real

[pale onyx]

So in terms of tactics is the imperial guard the skaven of 40k? Sending in more soldiers until the enemy runs out of bullets or the artillery finishes then

Them

[humble shoal]

varies by guard regiment tbh

[storm jungle]

^

Guard use actual tactics

the human wave shit is played up for memes/presentation

[humble shoal]

catechan/tanith do the guerilla

cadians/steel legion do combined arms

krieg does ww1 style trench warfare

deagons do napoleonic tactics

[crisp heath]

Mordians do interpretive dance

[humble shoal]

yeah

mordians look pretty

(fatshark give mordian guard)

[storm jungle]

Hmmmm

[crisp heath]

I like the Mordian aesthetic, very clean and proper and a lot of times the guy in the pretty uniform is pretty badly mutilated. Looks cool.

hate everything I've ever read about them tho

[humble shoal]

i prefer the red crayon

[storm jungle]

[humble shoal]

you mean they are police brutality made manifest?

[crisp heath]

My friend that is every Imperial faction

I just like the image of a typical 40k battlefield, everything is covered in rust and diesel, people are charging blindly at each other, everyone is screaming, and then these guys come out in their neatly pressed uniform and in perfect formation to catch a choppa with their teeth

[storm jungle]

They'd die if they did that

[humble shoal]

well no, mordians are literally cops

[crisp heath]

Yes that's the point

[storm jungle]

no

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah

[humble shoal]

high lords guvnor decided that not enough civvies were killed by the police

[crisp heath]

Aren't they selected specifically from the riot squads because Mordian is rioting planetwide at all times

[humble shoal]

Nah they are the police force in general

then a chaos incursion happend

they told the demons they were going 90 in a 30

and impounded the csm's ships

so when the fog lifted the amdinistratum decided they would make good guard

[green loom]

You are what you eat

[pale onyx]

If you are what you eat then my client is a innocent man your honor

[young pecan]

Since Nurgle corruption/disease is willpower based, does that mean someone could facetank a great unclean one ass blast if they were mentally built different enough

Out of pocket question but must be asked

[green loom]

It's not just willpower based, that has it's own category of nurglite diseases to compliment the rest

[bold wren]

Remember to shower to keep nurgle away.

And wear your rosary, or protective charm.

Only sheer faith and absolute will power can fight chaos. They might kill you, but you didn't fall into temptation.

Will Power and some Ammo.

[storm jungle]

Lmao

"You might have gotten eaten alive by Angron and died a slow awful death. But hey at least you still believed in Big E."

[young pecan]

Ahh thanks mate

I am glad to know then that there is no way a poor guardsman has suffered that fate and survived

[bold wren]

Sounds accurate

I mean the Imperium seems to like dying for the Emperor.

[storm jungle]

Thats one way of putting it

[young pecan]

Do you think it would be scarier to big E if he was conscious this whole time and saw all that was happening, or if he woke up and had to learn what his empire turned into?

I'm thinking the first one

[storm jungle]

Thats already the canon one so yes

[young pecan]

Oh really? That's very, very sad

[storm jungle]

I mean hes a tyrannical warlord wizard

he got what was coming to him

[young pecan]

I don't know a lot about how he acted when he was a not-corpse, but my limited knowledge points to him being kinda based and well-meaning

How was he a warlord/what bad things did he do?

I know he's a tyrant because he didn't want to take the democratic approach to getting the right things done 10,000 years slower tho

[queen laurel]

his son constructed temples in multiple planets to worship him

What did he do instead did he tell his son that this is wrong and that he should stop and that he appreciates what he is trying to do but it is wrong

or he made his son watch as he blows up the planets which had all of the temples built in

[young pecan]

LOL

Based but def too black-and-white about it

Fair point

[queen laurel]

Here's another one

Your son is leading a rebellion after getting absolutely railed by the planet that you're going to recruit into the imperium

Would you A save him and the rebellion members so that you can show to him that you're a good guy

or B just forcefully take your son and make him watch as those people he led to a rebellion for a better future get slaughtered

[young pecan]

No wonder Horus Heresy happened

He's not a great dad

I guess vat babies don't really give you the same paternal instincts, do they

[tough haven]

I think a lot of people would want imp guard

[queen laurel]

i'm talking From an outsiders perspective

Which is a more recognizable warhammer 40k component

To someone who doesn't know about it

The almighty angels of the emperor

Or joe the guardsman that got shot in the leg and got ripped apart by an ork

[tough haven]

I think guardsmen portray the setting better tbh

[queen laurel]

Portray the setting yes but bringing the money for call of duty?

The armored angels are better for that

[tough haven]

Maybe both?

Space marines could be a special streak or something

That way you get the contrast

Of just how strong they are in comparison

[queen laurel]

There are not boring imperial god designs most definitely but those are sometimes even more obscured compared to say cadians krieg and catachan

And those guards men are very basic in terms of looks

[tough haven]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

Literally the space marines that you are seeing right now are two of the most popular being blood angels and ultra marines

[tough haven]

I think there can be a good balance of the two options

I’m sure you could have lots of customization options

[bold wren]

Cadians and Krieg are not basic looking.

Compared to actual regular guardsmen gear.

[celest dome]

Regular guard gear is very close to Cadian stuff

[bold wren]

Catachan definitely isn't basic looking.

[celest dome]

You said Cadian

[bold wren]

I mean in design anyways they're nowhere close to the basic design. But Cadians definitely I guess.

[rocky gale]

Catachan are incredibly basic/generic, they're just the dudes from 80s action movies like Rambo and Predator.

[queen laurel]

Literally Catachan drip

[rocky gale]

Like I love this guy, but he's literally just Dillon from Predator

[storm jungle]

They are literally army dudes in green pants, a tank top and a red bandana.

That is basic lol

[rocky gale]

Hmm, seems GW is actually releasing newly designed models for Old World now.

Sure would be a shame if you used them as Steelhelms for AoS instead

[spring cairn]

these look p good

[queen laurel]

I love the look of Black orcs but those old models look pretty shit

[rocky gale]

They actually do and it makes me more annoyed about most of the other releases being so old

These ones prove that they could have recreated the old models with new designs keeping the same style and they would look so much better, they were just too lazy.

[storm jungle]

They look so bad lol

[spring cairn]

still waiting on the old world kislev minis

[storm jungle]

didnt GW say Kislev and Cathay are not getting anything

[spring cairn]

i thought that was the whole point of old world

[rocky gale]

Yea they said they don't plan on doing anything for Kislev or Cathay in a Community post about TW:Warhammer 3

[storm jungle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/783213820544811018/1210346863740325910/GG9YwHxWIAAkK9n.jpg?ex=65ea3a5b&is=65d7c55b&hm=354a71a9038112cf886e87b72f906d6e17096505c6c13f7500c20c9aa7e84d4e&=&format=webp&width=705&height=158

lolololol

[spring cairn]

old world L

[storm jungle]

Old World has been getting L's since the day it got announced

[spring cairn]

goated concept but 0 efforts from gw

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/373256424068874260/1211385321338576917/image0.jpg?ex=65ee017f&is=65db8c7f&hm=0c6405f065c644e172928c5f2fcb2b886c3ca7b43f0fc84f8c9c2bdc8dddfead&

the fact that

people actually still buy these models is sad tbh

talk about being desperate, christ

[rocky gale]

The point of Old World was to sell 40 year old plastic to boomers and nostalgia addicts for ridiculous prices

[storm jungle]

^

And its working

so I cant even fault GW for milking these people lol

[rocky gale]

They've started forming their own communities and outright banning anyone who points out how bad some of the models are and then pulling the "If you don't like them then just admit you're not a real fan"

[storm jungle]

I was resisting saying this is pathetic but uhhh

[queen laurel]

Why waste your money on the old black orc models when you can get an Orruk Ard'Boy

[orchid lark]

I want to be milked

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/ironman-tony-stark-forge-gif-10677756

seems like i'm going to have to make those 2024 standards empire state troops models myself

[queen laurel]

Adam i swear to god i will dehydrate you

[storm jungle]

You're legit better off doing that lol

[orchid lark]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-cat-gif-16979609991790321940

[orchid lark]

Black Rage.gif

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Lemon zero jump scare

[storm jungle]

BRUH

[queen laurel]

The fuck

[rocky gale]

Seeing the coke label in yellow makes me uncomfortable

[bold wren]

Lemon doesn't sound bad but diet lemon?

Diet Soda tastes so bad.

Just drink actual Soda at that point.

[rocky gale]

Coke zero is different to diet coke, diet coke does taste weird but coke zero is fine

and Pepsi Max is great

[bold wren]

Dr. Pepper Zero and Diet both suck.

I cannot drink them.

It's just honestly not worth buying the zero or diet.

[rocky gale]

Although you said Soda which makes me think you're American, so although they use the same name you probably have completely different products ingredients wise to what we have.

[bold wren]

At that point just buy the actual Soda.

Well we use a whole ton of artificial sugar.

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/teSkSB1vX7g?t=14

[rocky gale]

Because different food quality laws

[bold wren]

We allow bacteria in our food

It's why American KFC chicken is banned.

In many other countries and they make their own recipe.

I don't like kfc anyways it's kinda gross.

[rocky gale]

I think that's the case for pretty much every American fast food chain, they have to change their recipes in order to operate in Europe

[bold wren]

I mean to be honest it probably tastes better.

And not as artificial.

Water is just better anyways though in most cases.

[rocky gale]

and when they don't change their recipes it causes some funny things like in Ireland the bread that Subway uses is not legally classified as bread because it has too much sugar, it's actually a cake.

[bold wren]

I mean I wouldn't even consider it a cake.

I call it a artery stopper.

[rocky gale]

To be classified as bread it can't have more than a 2% sugar content and it's got like 10%, so legally it's cake.

[bold wren]

I guess

It's not a cake but definitely a confectionery

[orchid lark]

is that lemon coke and ZERO sugar?

thats some good stuff there

[green loom]

Yeah

[green loom]

Ok this isn't that bad

[pine wedge]

Very cool

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/8bq0yn?fbclid=IwAR10DD6_x4X7bddqeh2PXBE0oQKlb9do2N0bCyL9Z8UfO8r3Xc3oBkV42bM

[storm jungle]

The art is great but as much as he goes into a text-wall of "how to showcase the emperor" he pretty much looks about the same as any other artwork but his head is just glowing.

[pine wedge]

reading is for nerds

[storm jungle]

[pine wedge]

I just like the way he depicted big E's changing appearance

[storm jungle]

the whatCU

[rocky gale]

I assume the Warhammer Cinematic Universe

[storm jungle]

god

I really hope it flops honestly

the amount of overhype around it has gotten so tiring lmao

[rocky gale]

I dislike this trend of adding "Cinematic universe" to everything, it just sounds dumb

[crisp heath]

I want one really good TV show and maybe a movie followed by about a dozen Madame Webs that gives warhammer a pop culture reputation of being total and absolute garbage

[queen laurel]

Dilara always wishing for something warhammer related that has even the slightest amount of hype flopping harder than godzilla after using up his radiation

[rocky gale]

Like "The Marvel Cinematic Universe" Bro just say Marvel movies.

[celest dome]

Ah the nuclear solution to bringing warhammer back to being the worst thing around

[celest dome]

I see quite a few people saying MCU

though

[storm jungle]

[rocky gale]

Yea that's the one which popularised it, it's still dumb

[queen laurel]

finest quality of yours i think besides the barrel war crimes

[storm jungle]

Dark Universe anyone?

[celest dome]

World of Darkness ?

[pine wedge]

Helldivers Elysian Drop Troops preparing to fight a Automaton Hulk Chaos Dreadnought

[celest dome]

Warhammer Video stuff

For Max ogryn brain

[tough haven]

Ok but I’d love an Elysian drop troops game

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/xzfwtVswxK8?si=x3ltH_wmythwme3J they got a world renowned entomologist to talk about the bugs

The bug propaganda goes crazy on this one

[tough haven]

I can only call it a “cinematic universe” if it has several series/universes interacting in one setting

So technically I can call marcel movies an MCU ig

[tough haven]

For or against?

[crisp heath]

Do you think they'll make Heldane a character in something

Oh God we both thought of the horse man

Heldane is like an abusive father in the sense that I feel some kind of deep, buried affectation for him based purely off familiarity, but every thought of him fills me with a mix of complicated emotions, none of which are good

Because he turned himself into a horse

[storm jungle]

If it helps almost basically every cinematic universe that isnt Marvel has failed miserably.

the Marvel slop is also way past its heyday since Endgame

[rocky gale]

I'm not even sure what the last Marvel movie I saw was, it seems like nowadays it's just a cycle of "Marvel is dead" and "We're so back" with every new release

[queen laurel]

Endgame was the end of an era

After that everything that released was definitely

a lot more dead than uncle ben after he got shot

[storm jungle]

lol

too soon lmao

[queen laurel]

Spiderman suffering is a common enough occurrence that it's not too soon it's how fast are you going to crack the joke

[rocky gale]

It's pretty based that the Spiderverse movie just straight up said that if Spiderman doesn't suffer then reality will explode.

[crisp heath]

Comic accurate

There's a reason Moon Knight considers him a friend, and it's not a good one lmao

[young pecan]

Instead of shawty, would Nurgle cultists call their partner sharty

[storm jungle]

no

[rocky gale]

There's only one Sharty

[young pecan]

But-...okay

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

There are two types of people when it comes to her I can fix her and I can make her so much worse

[arctic talon]

What worshiping a god that wants to kill reality does to a mf’er

[rocky gale]

TBF that's true of every companion in the game

[arctic talon]

People acting like ascending astarion into a vampire is good goes crazy

[queen laurel]

Except Karlach

And halsin minsc, Jaheira

[arctic talon]

Karlach has very few issues

[queen laurel]

she is the personification of chaotic good

[arctic talon]

Tbh minthra is like

Incredibly well adjusted

By drow standards

[green loom]

That might be due to the whole absolutism thing really beating her down

[queen laurel]

yep suprised I didn't get poisoned immediately

[queen laurel]

While her way of thinking is not really in line with mine most of the time I do feel sorry for being absolutely turned into a tool

pun intended for that

[arctic talon]

Lol

[rocky gale]

Karlachs issue isn't really "I can fix her" and "I can make her worse", it's more "I can fix her" or ||"I can let her die"|| or "I can fix her ||By turning her into a mindflayer||"

[arctic talon]

You can kill someone’s soul

By turning them into a mind flayer

[green loom]

Can you even fix karlach

[arctic talon]

Not really?

[rocky gale]

You can fix her enough

That she then fixes herself

[arctic talon]

You can help her get over emotional stuff

And yeah

That

[queen laurel]

when you get her to return to avernus she says she found a forge that you can maybe used to finally calm down her engine maybe get a better model

[arctic talon]

||she pretty much has to go back to the nine hells regardless||

The party failed in descent to avernus smh

Seeing as zariel is still in charge lol

[tulip brook]

she gets a nice vacation around her hometown before she gets back to hell

[green loom]

Ascending gale is worth it to see him piss off Zariel

[queen laurel]

<@&735928989146939404>

[tulip brook]

nice vacation I mean alien invasion

[queen laurel]

he becomes even more unbearable though

[arctic talon]

Tbh Zariel is like arguably untouchable lol

Seeing as Asmodeus would get angry if someone started messing with the first layer

[green loom]

I like Pathfinder hell

[queen laurel]

Me literally strolling into the House of Raphael and absolutely roasting him alive

[arctic talon]

Asmodeus?

Or Zariel

Both of them would prolly be fine with it lol

[queen laurel]

hey wolf is the Tav Mind flayer special

[green loom]

Oh wait I'm thinking of Raphael being told to fuck off lol

[arctic talon]

They’re just a mind flayer as far as we know

Soul getting “destroyed” and all

[queen laurel]

Yeah but in the final battle not only do you retain your skills of your previous class but you also recognize the people you made friends with

i mean it is from a specialized tadpole

[arctic talon]

Yeah mindflayers do retain those things

[queen laurel]

In the astral plane

[arctic talon]

Tbh it’s not really clear

What happens

[green loom]

The issue with swapping is that it's a drastic swap in emotions and mind set

[arctic talon]

But it seems normal enough

[rocky gale]

Shame we didn't actually encounter Zariel in BG3, the amount of simping would be phenomenal.

[arctic talon]

Mindflayers still have all the past memories of the person

They used to be

[arctic talon]

Tbh how would we even see her in person

She’s either killing demons or sitting in her fortress

[green loom]

I like that pathfinder hellspawn are just

Lawyers

[arctic talon]

That’s how dnd hell works

There’s a lot of lawyers

And contracts

Devils are lawful evil

Demons are chaotic evil

They don’t get along

[queen laurel]

i mean you literally consume this

So I guess your transformation having a bit of quirks isn't really surprising

[arctic talon]

Devils are a necessary evil in dnd tbh

Mostly since they stop all of reality from fucking exploding via demons

[rocky gale]

We see Vlaakith and Myrkul, a quick hello to Zariel wouldn't be that surprising considering atleast two of the companions stories are linked to her in some way.

[arctic talon]

That’s true

[queen laurel]

and if you're using the durge Bhaal even performs lobotomy for free

if you refuse him

[celest dome]

Is Zariel on the same level as Raphael ? Or much more powerful ?

[arctic talon]

More powerful

She’s an archdevil

[queen laurel]

She rules an entire layer of hell

[green loom]

Hubba hubba

[arctic talon]

Surrounded by an army

If you fight her as intended she’s meant to be a party killer

[green loom]

I do love my girlbosses

[queen laurel]

Ohh yeah wolf what do you think of this hilarious guy

[arctic talon]

The one time she’s been put in a campaign was descent to avernus where you’re fighting her to convince her to remember her memories

[arctic talon]

I love withers

[rocky gale]

Raphael is just a powerful Cambion, Zariel is an Angel who became an Archdevil.

[celest dome]

Wither is so funny

[arctic talon]

also you have a fancy sword

[queen laurel]

yep probably also Jergal

[arctic talon]

That makes Zariel like

Not be able to heal every single turn

[celest dome]

Probably is downplaying it

[arctic talon]

Tbh I do wonder why they chose to not have descent to avernus succeed

Canonically

[queen laurel]

Considering that he basically casts true resurrection like it's a walk in the park

he probably is the avatar of Jergal

no he is

[rocky gale]

TBF in Descent into Avernus if you managed to survive long enough to actually face Zariel you're probably strong/lucky enough to survive her.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Also the fact that redeeming her is based on a charisma check

You can get all the way there

And still fail

[rocky gale]

It is an unreasonably hard adventure module

[arctic talon]

Yeah

It’s very cool

But horrid game design

If you play it as intended

[queen laurel]

One of the few times I will tie up a bard to a stick and make him do the talking

[celest dome]

Did your character identify the statue in the Chapel wou find him in ?

[arctic talon]

Zariel also having like 3 different stat blocks is funny

[rocky gale]

Like the portion where you're driving through the desert in Hell as like lvl6 characters and if the driver fails something like a DC18 check then the entire party takes like 100 damage each

[arctic talon]

Each being painful in a different way from the other

[arctic talon]

Yeah that goes crazy

[queen laurel]

my oath of vengeance paladin sense something unnatural within him

[rocky gale]

Or the part for like lvl 4 adventurers where there's a laser which instantly disintegrates anyone it touches that has less than 100 HP.

[arctic talon]

I do think Zariel as intended would be an absolutely absurd boss fight

And would be funny as shit to see in BG3

Even if it’s comically unfair

[queen laurel]

I really wanted this one to be a summon or a pet but shame basilisks aren't in the game

[arctic talon]

Descent to avernus feels like it’s an old dnd adventure module meant to kill people tbh

Not like tomb

But more like 3e or 2e stuff

[rocky gale]

Oh yea, like there's a good chance that the party won't survive the very first encounter in the game

[celest dome]

Descent to Avernus as a post ||EB||Dlc

[arctic talon]

Tomb of annihilation is such a stupid/funny adventure

[queen laurel]

You ****** your DM enough he's going to throw a third edition 3 headed version of this that has force breath and has wings

[arctic talon]

I would never do that to my players

They’re good

I haven’t been a player in a campaign for a while ngl

[crisp heath]

Honestly that's something I dislike about 5e

Level 18+ players could conceivably kill a tarrasque

Frankly, a good build and party can do it pretty easily

[arctic talon]

5e’s curve is fucked tbh

[crisp heath]

If you run high level campaigns it's hard to find a monster that's like "do NOT fight this thing no matter what you do"

[arctic talon]

Homebrew some abomination to throw at your party

[young pecan]

Tarrasque is just, lure it into an acid-trapped pit

[arctic talon]

Is the only real answer

Dnd 5e is pretty badly balanced at high levels which sucks

[rocky gale]

Lvl 1-4 can be a death run, but once your party get to lvl 5 then they're going to survive unless something goes massively wrong.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Or the DM decides to throw dangerous things

Regularly

[crisp heath]

I ran a level 15 game once and I took an ancient red dragon, buffed it to hell with a list of 5th level spells it could cast at will specifically because I did not want them to fight it

They were supposed to aid an evacuation

[arctic talon]

They killed it

[crisp heath]

Party said "oh cool, final boss" and proceeded to bully god dragon

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Dragons can be killed by like

A level 12 party in 5e

Maybe lower

[rocky gale]

The trick if you want to have a God/unkillable character is don't give them stats.

[arctic talon]

But I threw a dracolich at my party as intended and they beat it’s ass

Lol

[crisp heath]

At least Tuckers Kobolds still wipes parties

[arctic talon]

They were level 12

And they killed a dracolich

Now granted 2 people in my party like minmaxing

But still lol

[crisp heath]

Minmaxing? You mean surviving?

[young pecan]

I'm glad we're talking about D&D because I've had a very specific gripe on my chest

[arctic talon]

Lol

Tbh I could have made the encounter harder

[queen laurel]

and the characters were supposed to reach level 20?

[arctic talon]

But I didn’t want a tpk

[arctic talon]

No

Realistically no

[queen laurel]

No wonder campaigns bare minimum end at like level 13

[arctic talon]

Most campaigns don’t go to 20

[young pecan]

Why tf do clerics and druids/rangers, who are supposed to be the most knowledgable classes about religion and nature respectively, have worse bonuses for those things than a regular wizard who's lived in a tower his whole life

[crisp heath]

My friends know that if i put kuo-toa in the game, someone is going to die, no matter what level they are or what they do, so it always turns into "I don't have to be stronger than the monsters, I just need to be stronger than you"

[rocky gale]

Like in Dark Heresy the section that talks about making an Inquisitor is all to do with lore and personality there's nothing to do with stats or builds or abilities, because Inquisitors don't need stats, because if you're ever fighting the Inquisitor you've already lost. The Inquisitor just wins because they are the plot device.

[young pecan]

Int is a dumpstat in almost any build for those classes so like

[arctic talon]

Int sort of just sucks as a stat same with strength

Which is

Kind of shit

[young pecan]

druid who mistakes an owlbear egg for a robin egg

[queen laurel]

or if your friends get lucky, they make the kuo-toa worship the party as avatars of gods giving them bonuses and powers

[crisp heath]

Because they're divine casters, they understand these things intuitively but may not be "book smart" or "knowledgeable" about them

[rocky gale]

Because Wizards get everything because they're the favourite child

[young pecan]

I think those classes should just get a specific passive where they use their wisdom mod for those skills instead if that clas is their highest level (for multiclassing)

[queen laurel]

Thank goodness in BG3 playing as a berserker barbarian doesn't make me want to tear my skin off

exhaustion can go **** itself

[arctic talon]

Literally false

Cleric is the best class

And it’s not even close

[rocky gale]

Genuinely look at the Wizard subclasses, they have one that lets them do everything

[crisp heath]

Wizards actually study religion and nature and can recite a field guide by heart. A druid, on the other hand, knows what common poisons smell like because they eat weird shit in the woods all the time.

[crisp heath]

As intended tbh

[arctic talon]

Cleric is by far the strongest class

Imo

They can do everything

[rocky gale]

and if you look at the UA subclasses it's even worse

[young pecan]

True, don't give clerics that passive

[crisp heath]

Clerics are strongest, wizards are most versatile, druids are consistent.

[young pecan]

Druids and rangers doe

[arctic talon]

There’s a reason I ban peace cleric

At my table

Always

That shit literally breaks the game

[queen laurel]

healing damage

hell they can hit enough force if they choose the path of war

[crisp heath]

Death Clerics are good fun if you want necromantic shenanigans and don't mind tracking a ton of pets

[queen laurel]

They are literally so versatile it's ******* hilarious

[arctic talon]

Healing in combat sucks in 5e anyways

Lol

[young pecan]

Okay but a 20th level druid and ranger who spend their entire lives out in the wilderness, experiencing everything about it, know less by default than a 1st level wizard who just reads tomes

Wut

[arctic talon]

Just heal when they’re downed

[queen laurel]

shame tabletop monk sucks

[arctic talon]

Ki

💀

[young pecan]

Pathfinder is better in some ways about rulesets

[arctic talon]

Pathfinder is like

Objectively the better system imo

[crisp heath]

We have a tool for that, it's called "Can I roll insight instead since I probably have first hand experience of this thing already?"

[arctic talon]

In terms of flexability

[rocky gale]

Like Wizard literally has a Subclass that has abilities which is basically "Lets Wizard do metamagic, but without costing any limited resources"

[young pecan]

That's def reaching close to homebrew, as understandable as it is

Insight is for knowing something's behavior

[queen laurel]

I'm glad at least monk got overhauled

[young pecan]

Just let them use the gat damn wisdom mod so that proficiencies in that thing actually matter rather than being +1 versus -1 💀

[queen laurel]

but i'm not gonna play DND because i don't have access to it

[rocky gale]

What'd you mean?

[queen laurel]

I can't really buy this stuff for it and well i don't have friends

[rocky gale]

There's websites that have literally everything to do with 5e for free

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/transcend-gif-22175938

pirating

[rocky gale]

and you can play online

There's looking for group sites

[young pecan]

(Joke)

[arctic talon]

@queen laurel check your dms later today

I’ll send some stuff

[queen laurel]

oh shit

[queen laurel]

can you tell me the name of the website

[young pecan]

I have like 4 official books and a book of companions from a YouTuber I watch

But I never play D&D

It is so sad

[queen laurel]

maybe i can drag my 3 idiotic musketeers for friends along for this one

[arctic talon]

I’ll do it in like 3 or 4 hours I have a lot of lectures today

[queen laurel]

any time

[rocky gale]

I gave him some links

[arctic talon]

Ah

That works

[rocky gale]

Feel free to provide your own

[queen laurel]

I will probably unfortunately forget these because I have the brain of a croatoa that got dominated by a mind flayer but @arctic talon @rocky gale thank you

[green loom]

You have the brain of a Croatia?

[queen laurel]

Kuo toa

Fishman

i'm just too lazy to correct myself

[green loom]

Are they edible

[celest dome]

Yes

[queen laurel]

I mean they are fish but they do have the same psychic powers as orks

funnily enough

[celest dome]

Iirc there is some module where you're supposed to get Kuo Toa rations.

It's not precisely whether it's descriptive or possessive iirc

[rocky gale]

Ah yes the Kuo-Toa who were driven insane and gained psychic powers due to their enslavement by the Illithids, not to be confused with the Gith who were driven insane and gained psychic powers due to their enslavement by the Illithids, also not to be confused with the Duergar who were driven and insane and gained psychic powers after being enslaved by the Illithids and additionally not to be confused with the Derro who were driven insane and gained psychic powers after being enslaved by the Illithids.

[storm jungle]

Not satire btw.

At least according to the fanbase

[spring cairn]

I mean, from what I can see

it's like 70% know it is and 30% are clueless

[storm jungle]

Its unfortunately a larger percentage on the clueless department.

But still its funny so

[spring cairn]

there's also a thing i didn't screenshot wich is a tablet next to a corpse of this game's equivalent of the imperial guard which reads something like : if you die holding the line, we might grant ur family class C citizenship

[storm jungle]

Its mostly an after-effect comparison of them saying since Starship troopers is also not satire (which it literally is) this game isn't either.

The movie has really blown up in popularity due to the game so all sorts of morons are coming in with that opinion.

[storm jungle]

My favorite has to be the trailer where they get a IRL insect-scientist and play terminid pictures behind him without telling him to use for propaganda

he notices and objects and they drag him off screen

💀

[spring cairn]

there's also a loading tip that's like, the automatons have an inbuilt protocol that makes them susceptible to suppression

[queen laurel]

not just any other Entomologist that's Dr. George McGavin https://youtu.be/xzfwtVswxK8?si=2ytLqBAgXyU_hDlZ

[spring cairn]

the absolutely non sentient robots

[queen laurel]

they got a world renowned insect scientist for this shit

[storm jungle]

lmao yep

[storm jungle]

Also yep

[spring cairn]

that are 100% susceptible to suppression

[rocky gale]

Most people haven't even noticed that your character is technically the ship, not the Helldivers

[spring cairn]

they just fear death because why not

[storm jungle]

Also you can talk with the cap wearing engineer on the ship

whos like

INCREDIBLY fucking naive

"The automatons got red eyes just like recording cameras. That means they must be using human technology!"

me: what in the fu-

[celest dome]

In fairness is he wrong ?

[storm jungle]

[spring cairn]

she mentions that if she finishes her service she'll be granted privileges like, being allowed to buy a class-c pet for her children, like a hamster or a goldfish

[storm jungle]

god

[queen laurel]

yeah it's basically starship troopers

They downplay the enemies very very much but under the lies and propaganda these are the greatest killing machines you can meet

[storm jungle]

its so fucking funny

[celest dome]

What, the Automaton used to be human/cyborg no ?

[spring cairn]

i don't think

they were made by the cyborg that is true

[storm jungle]

Yeah the actual autos are robots i think

[celest dome]

Like I haven't played HD1 in ages but the Cyborg used to be a human faction iirc

[storm jungle]

their leaders are borgs

[spring cairn]

they are self-replicating sentient robots

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[spring cairn]

created by the cyborgs to help them fight super earth

[queen laurel]

oh boy

I wonder how many settings had that and went absolutely wrong

[rocky gale]

Like everytime your Helldiver dies, you're replaced with a new one, but most people think you're just being cloned or revived or something, when really the Helldivers are just expendable shmucks and it's a completely new person everytime you call one in. Only the ship matters.

[queen laurel]

yep basically star troopers

[celest dome]

Once human, these terrorists have broken away from the peaceful ways of Super Earth and are fixed on mass destruction, devastation, and ruination. Utilizing inferior technology they have become obsessed with the manipulation of their bodies and constantly seek to pervert the skin with machines that according to them, gives them a higher meaning in life.
Does lend to the Automaton "using human technology"

[queen laurel]

You're expendable

If you're lucky you get to command the squad

[spring cairn]

i mean they do because they are humans

[arctic talon]

Automatons are confirmed to be the children of the cyborgs

They were a contengincy plan

[spring cairn]

it's just that the automatons aren't directly descendent of the cyborgs

[arctic talon]

Yeah

The cyborgs made the automatons at some point

except the cyborgs are busy being enslaved

On their homeworld

[celest dome]

Enslaved ?

[spring cairn]

super earth ran over their homeworld in game 1

[arctic talon]

Sorry paying repetitions

For their totally real terrorist attacks on super earth

[spring cairn]

they are now all being "rehabilitated"

in the mines

[celest dome]

Damn

[arctic talon]

The automatons do seem more brutal then the cyborgs

Since uh

[celest dome]

Hope the Automatons manage to save them and liberate them back

[arctic talon]

They don’t take prisoners

Lol

[celest dome]

Are all the Cyborg in the mines or only those on their home world

[storm jungle]

Yeah uh

at the enrance to their camps

[arctic talon]

On their homeworld mines

[storm jungle]

theres literal human heads on pikes

[arctic talon]

Yeah the automatons I don’t feel too bad killing

[rocky gale]

Good thing neither do we

[arctic talon]

Cyborgs I did feel for a little lol

Except for the dogs

Fuck those dogs

[celest dome]

And I suppose all 3 Homeworld of the enemies were taken over ?

[arctic talon]

The bugs were being farmed yeah

Till they uh broke free

Illuminate it’s not clear

Is it?

[spring cairn]

illuminate soons, with their wmd the bastards

[rocky gale]

Yea there's a space for them to appear in the South of the map

[spring cairn]

there's a very brief news report on the television in ur ship that mentions illuminate sightings

but nothing else yet

[arctic talon]

Cyborgs and illuminate weren’t evil tbh

[rocky gale]

There's also one that mentions Illuminate possibly being responsible for the bugs breaking free

[spring cairn]

ofc not

[arctic talon]

Bugs are

I’m not sure

But I don’t mind killing them

[celest dome]

Bugs are evil ?

[spring cairn]

bugs are allegedly sentient too

[arctic talon]

Bugs are probably evil?

[queen laurel]

Tyranids i guess

[spring cairn]

and they're being farmed by SE

[arctic talon]

They’re sentient creatures is the thing

But they seem to just want to kill all humans so

I’d assume that includes the cyborgs as well

[spring cairn]

i mean if you get treated like a cow and manage to break out

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Automatons are def much more evil then the cyborgs tbh

Which is a choice

[spring cairn]

just made to fight

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Illuminate are gona be funny once they’re added

I wonder how many different species the bugs are actually made up of

Since they seem to have multiple like

Very different ones

[queen laurel]

Don't know much about helldivers lore but I love the bugs

( democracy and freedom are a lie you are nothing more than slaves )

[arctic talon]

I want a codex

Like in 1

I want lore on what I’m killing

[spring cairn]

the technician is the best character

[rocky gale]

You want to vote? sounds like something a Socialist Automaton would want.

[dusk patrol]

This really manages my democracy

[storm jungle]

Im very glad democrats aren't like this IRL.

[dusk patrol]

Stop it you

[dusk patrol]

I also want special stuff explained

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[dusk patrol]

Like I think I’ve figured out how enemies call in reinforcements now but fuck if it’s not told at all

[arctic talon]

Only small bots can call in reinforcments

Any bug can call them in but small ones tend to do it

There’s also a special robot variant that calls in reinforcements faster

[green loom]

Target the Commissar

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah speaking of

first match in Malevon Asscreek

we won + destroyed every outpost, fuck this map lol

the bots can have it

[green loom]

What settings are you running on

[storm jungle]

Everything is Medium/Low

like some other game the optimisation for this game is dogshit

lmao

[green loom]

[storm jungle]

also

[green loom]

I'm busy playing funny space game

Praise Ludd!

[storm jungle]

Went to the subreddit for the first time and half of it is

• Why is this subreddit so toxic
• This shop is so good bro! (people complaining about fomo in the comments)

Wow, its like looking in a mirror

[green loom]

The discord is apparently chud central

Anyway here's some emotional support mozzarella

[storm jungle]

AAAA

[green loom]

It's not that scary

You should see the pizza I make normally

[shadow plover]

love to fight the automatons

[storm jungle]

Automatons are "POV: You are fighting Tau/Necrons" simulator

my buddy got blown up by a tower-turret and we've never seen one until before 💀

[dusk patrol]

Also totally not Dreadnoughts

[storm jungle]

yeah the hulks are legit egregious from how ripped off they are lol

like its LITERALLY a fucking primaris dread

[dusk patrol]

I’ll try to find it

There’s an image from the companies earlier game

Which is literally just a fantasy looking space marine

[storm jungle]

Yeah im assuming like

[dusk patrol]

They’re pretty open with their influences

[storm jungle]

the artist just saw it and plopped it in the game

[dusk patrol]

Terminids

[storm jungle]

because the only influences they admitted to is uh

Terminator and Starship

[storm jungle]

also its not like "nids" in Tyranids is creative either

Arachnids anyone

[dusk patrol]

The Illuminarium whatever dudes are pretty much a Protoss/Eldar deal

[storm jungle]

ALSO to be fair

Advanced Smooth-curved Precursor Race is not original either

Death.

[rose thorn]

Nid is shorten for nizdo which means nest, arachnid directly translates to spider nest which is pretty funny

I don’t think tyranids even nest actyalkt1

Do hive ships count as nests

[storm jungle]

Kinda but like yeah it was literally just:

"Tyr and Nids sound cool, lets name them Tyranids."

lmao

[rose thorn]

Lmao

I don’t think that any of 40k’s faction names are unqiue

Eldar is something I’m pretty aure

[dusk patrol]

Idk they’re fairly unique, it’s not all well done but they work as far as sci fi goes. Nids are pretty influential to the whole “mass waves of bug aliens” thing in general.

[rose thorn]

Names I mean

Space marines being the most over used scifi thing ever

[dusk patrol]

Even that is pretty well done I think tbh

[arctic talon]

oh god he's a luddite now kill him

[dusk patrol]

Space Marines weren’t exactly a common term before 40k

40k ripped some tropes but they also made it their own thing a lot

[green loom]

Kid named Prometheus bomb

[gray umbra]

The litany of litany's litanies

[rose thorn]

Im gonna disagree but im almost to work so I can’t pull up sources

[dusk patrol]

They existed

But it’s not like it’s a bad term or whatever

It’s just a descriptor more than anything

Starship Troopers isn’t exactly an inspired name but it still works

The fact that 40k has kinda taken the space marine moniker for itself is a good indicator, obviously anyone can use it ultimately but still

[storm jungle]

Eldar is straight up stolen from LOTR

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[storm jungle]

Also pretty much this yeah

40k names are not creative

they are suppose to be shit that sounds cool on toys

the SCARY NECRONS

the BRAVE IMPERIAL GUARD

the MIGHTY SPACE MARINES

lol

[rose thorn]

It’s not a bad thing tbh

[storm jungle]

yeah its not

im just saying its not creative

theres no need to praise GW's "ingenuity"

"We got orcs but its spelt with a K"

[green loom]

The Eldar

[rose thorn]

Tau is a Chinese word im pretty sure

Or some language

[storm jungle]

its Greek but it has ties in Asia yeah

[green loom]

Those Turks have such a unique alphabet

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

Also another point

Tyranids are not influential at all. They literally stole basically every single bug race trope and made it into a kitchen bio-sink.

Hiveminds, special bugs, psychic fuckery, big bugs leading little bugs, etc

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-launch-attack-cat-attack-cat-launch-cat-jumps-up-cat-zooms-up-gif-12722471127212312858

[dusk patrol]

Everything about Star Wars basically is stolen from earlier things, Lucas has talked about this. Same with a lot of stuff from things like Bladerunners. It doesn’t mean they didn’t influence a lot of later works and didn’t inspire stuff themselves.

Same as how the Zerg influenced stuff later despite being very obviously influenced by the Nids

[plush mason]

omg same. ofc i was the one to eat the tank round, quite literally in fact

titanium-alloy helmets dont do much against a plasma round the size of one's head

[dusk patrol]

Games a bitch until you get to level 20

Especially with bots

[coarse pumice]

Tyranids used to be more 'alien' than bugs

the bugs thing really came in during 3rd edition

before they were fleshy xenomorphs

[dusk patrol]

The railgun, energy field and rail cannon help a lot

[coarse pumice]

with somewhat more 'human' weirdly distorted faces

[storm jungle]

Yeah but 40k is a lot more egregious about it. Comparing it to another IP doesn't stop it from the fact that the creativity is not there to begin with.

The fact that GW tried shit like copyrighting the term space marine and losing a court case over it is the nail in that coffin lol

[storm jungle]

They still are tbh.

their big mid 2000's re-design leaned a lot into the xenomorph stuff

[coarse pumice]

yeah, there was a step back though they did retain more chitinous plates though

[storm jungle]

the bulbous head is the only remaining iconic design i think

[storm jungle]

[young pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/silly-gagged-stan-twitter-twitter-gif-gif-7603835994469049930

[fossil bloom]

I hate how I can't play hell diveers

[bold wren]

The real reason I don't want an assassin in darktide because they might cannibalize me.

Why are Space Marines allowed to eat people but death cults are shunned by the Ecclesiarch?

And people think the world eaters are bad everyone is eating another human.

Then again many worlds don't follow what the Ecclesiarch or Imperium Creed says. As so many are so isolated.

[storm jungle]

They arent allowed, they keep it a secret, otherwise they'd get purged lol

and the brain eating/memory gain shit is seen as a necessity since its like one bite

[bold wren]

I mean death cults are important though for assassins.

[storm jungle]

They arent

Death Cults are just nutjobs you can get for your retinue

its people that love stabbing other people while wearing latex

[bold wren]

Inquisitors don't care if they kill people. They're going to get executed regardless.

[storm jungle]

Who

[bold wren]

I mean radicals are controversial at best, so someone might be pissed at that.

[storm jungle]

The hell are you talking about

[bold wren]

I mean even using exterminatus is controversial in the Imperium.

Which is surprising, but not really it's less about the people and more about the factories and tech.

[storm jungle]

The fuck does exterminatus have to do with cannibalism

lol

[bold wren]

I mean I don't know how death cults are allowed to exist, despite they're basically heretics.

Maybe because corpse starch is processed.

[storm jungle]

Because the Imperium is massive and you cant police planets numbering in trillions

as long as you adhere to the Imperial Creed and dont act too chaos'y nobody cares

[bold wren]

I mean not even that eating raw flesh and processed food are very different.

[storm jungle]

Its different

one is human meat lol

[bold wren]

One is cooked and processed with other ingredients

[storm jungle]

Yes and one is human meat

and its not always cooked

its just nutrient-slop

[bold wren]

So the Imperium doesn't care unless they're a puritan.

[storm jungle]

The Imperium doesnt care about a lot of things.

they are pretty cartoonishly evil

[bold wren]

Most aren't Puritans and just want to live.

[storm jungle]

Who

[bold wren]

Or are extreme to survive.

[storm jungle]

Inquisitors?

[bold wren]

I mean I doubt inquisitors care sometimes, as long they're not heretics.

[storm jungle]

Radical/Puritan are inquisitorial terms.

who are you even talking about

[bold wren]

In general

[storm jungle]

Yeah not the same thing

[bold wren]

Most people in the Imperium do not care unless you are a inquisitor and most don't care about Imperium Creed.

[storm jungle]

They do care

almost 95% of the population does

you do realise these people are religiously indoctrinated from birth most of the time right

[bold wren]

I mean food is food I guess.

Nobody cares as long it tastes good.

[storm jungle]

They eat so they dont starve

they dont exactly get much choice in most imperial societies

[bold wren]

Anything tastes good when you hungry.

I mean Imperium Creed is popular but the Ecclesiarch is isolated in comparison.

[storm jungle]

Its the main religion of the Imperium

they are both the same thing

its not isolated

[bold wren]

I mean to have a main stream military the only thing they do not have. Sisters exist but compared to the rest of the Imperium.

[storm jungle]

Sisters are still a very formidable force.

They are not as numerous as the Guard but they are countless number of convents in the galaxy with Sororitas.

[bold wren]

I mean and they're only merely grunts.

Which is surprising seeing how fierce they are.

I mean they're not the Militarum so also that.

Even Repentia get eviscerators.

[storm jungle]

They arent "grunts".

Where did you get that from

You do realise like, they can launch literal Holy Wars right

or Crusades of faith with countless Sisters in them

[bold wren]

I mean in their ranks sisters are low ranks, but I guess it doesn't matter in the Ecclesiarch.

Nonetheless.

Unless sister isn't a rank and more something you are being of the sororitas.

[storm jungle]

Its a rank.

Sororitas are very elite fighters too

are you thinking they just get given power-armor and bolters, meltas and other stuff because they are expected to charge a gunline and die for no reason

[bold wren]

Sororitas is the whole organization.

Adepta Sororitas Sisters are only one branch including actual missionaries, and doctors.

[storm jungle]

and their main fighting contingent is also referred to as "Sororitas" on multiple occassions. So no, it makes no difference to differentiate them.

[bold wren]

Expect it does.

[storm jungle]

It doesn't.

The U.S Army has medics, engineers and so on too

yet its still referred to as the army

what are you even getting at

💀

[bold wren]

Hospitaller aren't the same thing.

They're Adepta Sororitas

There is a reason they have Ordos.

And Orders.

The military goes into branches, so no.

That's just incorrect.

[storm jungle]

Its not.

I read the codex so

lol

Anyway, they are all sororitas.

you are a sister no matter what branch you are in

[bold wren]

Like how all navy, army, marines are all military but are not the same thing.

[storm jungle]

Except that you know

the Sororitas doesnt have that diversity

[bold wren]

They do, but not to the extent of branches.

[storm jungle]

All members of the sororitas orders are expected to take into combat when war calls, thats why you can field them in the tabletop.

So yeah, they are all sisters.

[bold wren]

So it's not just a rank then.

But all members but also a rank.

Though hospitaller aren't fighting they're healers, and interrogators.

[storm jungle]

Its a rank and a title.

[storm jungle]

They can fight.

You can literally field them in the tabletop

lol

[bold wren]

Just become one fights doesn't make them a warrior.

[storm jungle]

It does.

They are trained in combat.

they arent wet nurses lol

[green loom]

They're all scary

[storm jungle]

IM GOING INSANE

LMAO

[green loom]

What

[storm jungle]

scroll up

[green loom]

The Sororitas are specifically a professional standing army

Layered under a good bit of legal bs

Ecclesiarchy "grunts" are pilgrim hordes that flood every holy site

[storm jungle]

I tried to explain that for the last 30 minutes

kept jumping subjects like 5 times lol

[green loom]

I mean, the thing that makes them a warrior is probably the bit where they go through the same training process the other sisters go through + medical training

Marine apothecaries mainly deal with injured marines
But they're still marines
And they can still rip you in half with their bare hands or blow your head off from a mile away

Same goes for the hospitallers

Except with a more sister appropriate comparison

[bold wren]

I mean combat medics first job isn't even fighting but keeping people alive

I don't doubt they cannot fight and kill someone. But that doesn't make it their first purpose.

But that's usually self defense.

They usually prove themselves under fire, and less then combat. They're not wet nurses.

[storm jungle]

Thats what I fucking said lol

also your entire argument was a battle sister is not a "sororitas"

so i dont even know what the fuck this chat is at this point 💀

[bold wren]

No it wasn't

[unkempt dove]

all battle sisters are adeptus sororitas but not all sororitas are battle sisters

[orchid lark]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-cat-gif-16979609991790321940

[burnt plover]

something something real sororitas were the friends we made along the way something

[storm jungle]

AURGHHH-

[bold wren]

Why do deathcults remind me of the Drukhari?

All I see is lewd murderers in stilettos.

Looks close enough to me to be heretics.

Maybe not the same.

But the hoods and everything looks very heretical to me.

[storm jungle]

Because the only connections you make are agile people with knives

[storm jungle]

Its just grimdark/gothic fashion

[analog cloud]

me when the xenos have cool guns

[storm jungle]

She's so dreamy

[crisp heath]

yeah I'd let her have my pancreas if she needed it for unspecified "research"

[rose thorn]

ayo the nemesis destroyers/nemesis of the ultramirens are pretty cool

how many companies in HH get their own cool colorschemes during HH

the 22nd said fuck it

and piant their armor black

[crisp heath]

So pyskers can practice and increase their psychic capabilities and focus them. Do blanks have any way to hone their powers? I’m not sure how you can train not having a soul even more then you already do

[rose thorn]

ues actually, both through tech and being trained by other blanks I.E sisters of scilence

[crisp heath]

What does that training consist of?

Like you can keep doing pysker stuff to exercise it like a muscle

[rose thorn]

i imagine its jlike reverse psyekr training

[crisp heath]

How do you train your soul? Or lack thereof

[queen laurel]

Never really elaborated on, but it can be in just like sisters of silence or the assassin temple honing it in some way

the training is probably related to your mental strength

and other aspects

[bright garden]

You can kind of flex your muscle/blank aura (control it's size) of particularly stronger blanks, this is noted in the watchers of the throne books, talking about the sisters of silence

In the shortstory, the voice, the blanks (sisters of silence again) kind of have a soul, it's just like an anti soul or a soul wrapped in a black hole kinda analogy

[unkempt dove]

blanks are said to lack a soul, but i think its just a figure of speech. clearly they have something that blots out psychic powers and whatnot, otherwise if lacking a soul is the only prerequisite for being a blank, then psykers should be foaming at the mouth at the mere sight of a rock.

[orchid lark]

Its a -1 to 1 issue, not 0 to 1 issue is how i think about it.
They have souls, its just not like ours.

[dusky scroll]

I never read any Warhammer 40k book before. All of what I know comes from Youtube videos, games, browsing through wikis, and asking questions to you guys.
I want to start with one. Can I start with something from Necromunda? Or do I need to start with Main 40k universe?

[queen laurel]

pick what you want

If you pick a 40K book you would get the perspective of the universe more to a character's point of view

You pick necromunda it will only be set in well necromunda

but necromunda is like the most fleshed out planet 40K more so than Terra

[dusky scroll]

Any recommendation on which ones are the most beginner friendly?

[queen laurel]

40K because it mostly doesn't throw you things that are only native to necromunda and you see more of other planets I think

I'm not too deep into necromunda is the thing but taking what i know

Would say you go deeper into 40K then if you're comfortable enough go to necromunda

[dusky scroll]

Oops! Didn't notice there's a text channel for books right next to here, should I have asked there instead?

[queen laurel]

Not really a problem if you asked here but yeah the book club would help you more in this type of thing

In their pins they even have beginner friendly 40K books

You could look for the ones you like there

[dusky scroll]

Ok thanks

[bright garden]

I violently disagree with Gaunt's Ghosts as a starting point

[shadow plover]

The first half of Gaunt's books suffer from being a tad bit old so not everything makes sense in modern context but they're still pretty easily digestible for beginners

[fossil bloom]

Ciaphas cain works rather well.

Amberley's footnotes help with understanding

[young pecan]

The Belisarius Cawl book seemed pretty easy as a first read

[bright garden]

I thoroughly enjoyed Ciaphas Cain when first starting out

Gaunt's Ghost's massive ass cast makes it a difficult recommendation

Beliarius is a decent starting point too

[tulip brook]

Eisenhorn, gaunt, cain... But you can just read what's interesting to you and slowly get introduced to other things

Asking for blueberries content and feeling like you need to read an army guy fighting tau isn't a good place to be

Infinite and divine is a great introduction for the whole setting too

[rocky gale]

As with anything Warhammer be it books, games or collecting minis, the best place to start is with whatever interests you most.

[unkempt dove]

i started reading 40k books at a weird spot, my friend one day just gave me Warriors of Ultramar and told me to read it, so i was like whatever i'mma read it

he could've given me Nightbringer, which was the first book in that trilogy but nah, he gave me Warriors of Ultramar...

he did later buy me the omnibus

anyway space marine battle books are all kinda pulpy and easy to get into i guess

[spring cairn]

ggrrr i hate shaky cams

stop shaking

[storm jungle]

[nocturne crest]

Does the Nemesis SM chapter have any of their own books?

[rocky gale]

Looks like they're mentioned in a couple of books

[wintry scarab]

Are space marine visors actually glowing? Or are they sometimes glowing and sometimes "off" dependion on what function they are currently using?

Some of the voice acting in that anim is pretty impressive. Funny how embarrassing it must be to have fans crank out animations that are better than some of the official ones.

cough cough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT7vob0CHK0

[shadow plover]

well the official ones are mostly just by fans who were hired

[wintry scarab]

Yeah, but wouldnt that mean they get a budget? Especially if its going on the warhammer netflix?

[shadow plover]

and the Scorch one is mostly just reused arma animations so ehh not really comparable imo

well budget sure but the experience and knowhow doesn't just magically get better once you have a payslip

and wouldn't be surprised if the animators now have less time to work with their animations now that they have to work within regulations and not sweatshopping a passion project at home

[storm jungle]

GW also only puts efforts/money into animations that matter, like the Edition trailers we got so far.

[wintry scarab]

Idk, i always thought that if you were to get hired by a massive company, you would get some training. I just think its unacceptable how low some of the quality official warhammer stuff is. It wouldnt be bad if they put it on their youtube, but the fact that they have an entire subscription behind it, at least to me, seems a bit scummy.

[storm jungle]

Yeah but GW is not that massive

they are a miniature company, most people and them too dont really care

they make a ton of cash either way

[shadow plover]

being hired by GW to do animations is like getting hired by your local super market to do animations for them

[storm jungle]

^

Just a lot more legally strict lol

also "seems a bit scummy" is putting it lightly for GW, its their entire thing

[shadow plover]

and shit like Astartes took Syama more than two years to produce, and I swear to god he did not only work 40 hours a week on it so I am in no way surprised it has taken this long for Astartes 2 have any news about it

[storm jungle]

Also he made way more money than what GW was giving him

[shadow plover]

and Astartes was 15 minutes

[storm jungle]

Yep