40k-lore-chat

[rose thorn]

but its prime for a insane tear mod tbnhj

[queen laurel]

Yeah people just need to figure out how to implement stuff like new units in and we're golden

But that's going to take a while

[rose thorn]

tier*

[queen laurel]

I'm playing titanium wars for dawn of war right now and it's pretty good

Certainly a lot better than unification

[rose thorn]

what happened to that hype af dawn of war mod that turend compelte cringe

[queen laurel]

Oh buddy

Before it became cringe it already was

Anime girls were basically in the mod day one

[crisp heath]

LETS FUCNING GOOOOO

[queen laurel]

And the propaganda like commercials

Are Basically the trailers

[rose thorn]

[queen laurel]

Which is a shame because the game adds a lot of stuff

[rose thorn]

i ahte the warhamemr ocmmunity

[arctic talon]

What is this 40k mobile game I keep getting ads for

Why are plague marines so clean

[queen laurel]

Show me

[arctic talon]

It looks so weird

[rose thorn]

theres like 3

[queen laurel]

I am an expert unfortunately

[rose thorn]

also combat cards isnt bad its just a bottom up card game

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/tacticus/images/b/be/307643260_1425657937922851_6102874177809807333_n.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20220921191210

This game

I found it’s name

[rose thorn]

its pretty good

[queen laurel]

Oh tacticus

Yeah that's one of the more common popular ones

wes has a lot of commercials related to that game

[rose thorn]

i emnan

moer like its fine

[arctic talon]

Okay but why is the death guard so clean

It makes me feel uncomfortable

[queen laurel]

It's based on the model

[rose thorn]

because they dont want to add too muc detail

[queen laurel]

But yeah the models are a lot dirtier

[arctic talon]

That makes sense

[queen laurel]

Yeah they remove details to make it easier for themselves for example

The war boss has this focus and has less bulky armor

[arctic talon]

Neat but also

It’s so smooth

[queen laurel]

Which makes him look like a hunched potato

Now that i look at it more

[queen laurel]

Creed looks like he got smashed by a thunder hammer by getting hit in his head

[arctic talon]

Bros got that box head

[fossil bloom]

Is gora is whatever the planet is called cannon still?

[rose thorn]

jsut like the real model

[queen laurel]

Yeah they basically follow the models as much as possible

[celest dome]

Gora ? Doesn't ring a bell

[fossil bloom]

An ork mek empire? That basically had plasma Weaponry that was the greatest humanity ever seen (Including DaoT

It had an ork meklord that was uh twice the empy's height

[queen laurel]

The only thing that comes close to my memory is the attack moon used by the beast made by Orkimedes

But that was just an attack moon that can eat planets and grow bigger

[fossil bloom]

Ork scrapworld called gorra?

Gorro*

[queen laurel]

Oh here

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gorro

[fossil bloom]

Is it still canon?

[queen laurel]

I mean it was literally taken by horus and the emperor

And they are still canon

So yeah it's pretty much still canon

[storm jungle]

Bro...

that aint Ursarkar Creed, thats Ursarkar Doctrine 💀

[celest dome]

you vs the guy she tells you not to worry about

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[rose thorn]

5’12 vs 6’00

Hey what codex is next to release again?

After tau

Oh orks custodies csm and tau this spring with da

[arctic talon]

We don’t know

It’s gona be one of Those 3

[rose thorn]

https://preview.redd.it/world-championships-preview-new-codex-roadmap-v0-50p3t065511c1.png?auto=webp&s=3c3a53582d527bb2f45062c88bc31fd04a5049ae

Probably either custodies or orks after tau

[arctic talon]

Its CSM Orks or Custodes

There's no info on whos next since we haven't seen any minis

the moment we see an Ork/CSM/Custodes mini high chance they're next

[rose thorn]

Custodies is getting a mini and so is orks

[arctic talon]

every faction is getting a mini this edition

they haven't shown it off yet

therfore we don't know whos next yet since whoever gets it previewed first

is gona get it first

[rocky gale]

Can't wait for Sororitas Summer

[rose thorn]

HYPE AF FOR THE CHILDREN OF THE STARS GSC WOOOO

[rocky gale]

With how good the new Skysplinter detachment is for Drukhari, I'm actually really excited to see the other new ones for other factions

[arctic talon]

That isn't a preview

just a little teaser

if they show off the whole thing then yeah

Custodes next

[rose thorn]

My guess is chapters late in the edition will get stuff like that until their release

I mean

Factions

Fuck

[arctic talon]

tbh would suck to be stuck on a single detachment

for a long time

[rose thorn]

Yea

Hey guard how was 9th?

[arctic talon]

They were decently strong at the end of it

[rose thorn]

Yea

[arctic talon]

once they got their codex

before that they were uh

decent

Problem is Guard has a lot of people who bring very fluffy lists to tournaments so uh

the win rate looked horrendus unless you sorted by people who were bringing like

actual lists looking to win it

aka 200 conscript + stormlord/Artillery/ect.

[rose thorn]

thanks AOS for not being the worst

[arctic talon]

Kruleboyz

[rose thorn]

AOS isn’t balanced but it’s not horribly repetitive

[rose thorn]

Yea.

[arctic talon]

40k isn't that repetive either meta wise

imo

Regarding whats good

[rose thorn]

I mean internal balance of a faction

[arctic talon]

oh

well yeah

they have a much easier time

[rocky gale]

I've heard the Sisters Winrates are also very skewed right now, in that they apparently now have the highest winrate, but that's only because so few people are playing them in Tournaments that the only people sticking to them are the hardcore experts who refuse to give up.

[arctic talon]

since most factions in AoS are like way smaller

[arctic talon]

Admech with a 60% winrate across 4 players

[rose thorn]

Not really, AOS typically have 2 types of units in each box separate or same warscroll so there’s like alot more options per unit then you would think

[arctic talon]

Its still

way smaller then most 40k factions

[rose thorn]

EhhhHhh

[arctic talon]

regarding unit count

[rose thorn]

Depends

[arctic talon]

this isn't an opinion thing its literally true most AoS factions are smaller

regarding total unit choice

not that its bad

imo its better lol

[rose thorn]

Like who are you comparing to?

[arctic talon]

Depends?

idk

some AoS factions have more units

some have less

The AoS factions with more units are generally helped by recycling from WHF

But stuff like Sob have more units then Idoneth but thats unfair

seeing as Idoneth only got a single wave of releases

[rose thorn]

Aos has been replacing a lot of thier old units but like we would have to compare equivalents

Plus a lot of AOS tombs have 2 or 3 factions in it

[arctic talon]

Tomes? yeah

[rose thorn]

Not counting soup factions

[arctic talon]

but I'm still saying that like

there's a lot of AoS factions that are like

small

[rose thorn]

Like?

[arctic talon]

Idoneth/Sylvaneth/Daughters of Khaine

[rose thorn]

Sylvaneth have a lot

Bigger then some 40k factions

[arctic talon]

Actually Sylvaneth do

I forgot lol

but also fyreslayers are like

lol

[rose thorn]

So do daughters

[arctic talon]

and a lot of it is reused from WHF for daughters isn't it?

[rose thorn]

Fyre slayers do have less but that’s because they are olayed weird

[rose thorn]

Meh?

[arctic talon]

idk

it doesn't matter

AoS still has a much easier time balancing then 40k

[rose thorn]

It’s mostly the tail end of fantasy and new stuff

[arctic talon]

since war gear isn't a thing

as well

Dif equipment is assigned to dif units

generally

[rose thorn]

Sorta?

Like you usually get 2 unit choices for units

[arctic talon]

nothing in AoS has the wargear clusterfuck list like 40k

is more so my point

Where you have like

2 choices at least for the sgt.

and like 4 special weapon options

[rose thorn]

AOS you usually get 1 unique weapon, one buffed guy who can give commands, and 2 guys with utility items in each unit for batteline

[arctic talon]

From a balancing perspective AoS is much more reasonable to balance then 40k because you have more tools to tune

[rose thorn]

40k used a calculator for 2 codexes

In 9th

[arctic talon]

Yeah

aos is a lot easier to balance

is my point

[rose thorn]

40k is just not the best at balancing

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

its got way more knobs to turn

thats why its harder to balance

[rose thorn]

I mean so so,

[arctic talon]

not really?

I feel like its one of those things thats just true

Its much faster and easier for me to listbuild in AoS

Since there's less to worry about indivudally

[rose thorn]

Both are trying to balance different things I guess?

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah?

[rose thorn]

AOS is mainly melee

[arctic talon]

thats my point

this whole time

that AoS has an easier time balancing bcs there's less variables

[rose thorn]

40k and AOS really have about the same amount of content they just prioritize different things

[arctic talon]

Like for bonereapers I don't need to worry about dif weapons for my Immortis guard

Like my immortis are just

there

same with deathriders like

I just pick one melee for all of em

[rose thorn]

One of the big problems is 40k is in a new edition and reset everything

[arctic talon]

That wasn't the case before

tbf

And also 8e -> 9e didn't reset anything

[rose thorn]

Yea

[arctic talon]

9e -> 10e did because GW

was weird

[rose thorn]

I hope 4th is a soft one reset like 8>9

[arctic talon]

for AoS

it prolly will be

actually wait

oh no

the magic system

its jover for it lol

considering not even Old world kept it

[rose thorn]

The winds bullshit?

Winds was ass

[arctic talon]

just rolling to cast and stuff

its just gona become normal attacks

or buffs

[rose thorn]

I doubt AOS will do that

[arctic talon]

that you can pick from a list

I mean

they did it to WHF

[rose thorn]

Since spells are like a key part of the game

[arctic talon]

and spells were like

pretty important in that as well

[rose thorn]

Considering endless spells I doubt we will have magic guns like 40k

[arctic talon]

hopefully

I don't like old world/40k's current one

at all lol

[rose thorn]

Plus AOS spells are on an individual basis

Oretty sure old world is a faction wide basis

Like for spell rolls

I need to paint my 4 fuckinh AOS armies

Also I hope that duck is a new cities model

Goose

[analog cloud]

I love her

[rose thorn]

AHAHAHAAHAHAJ

hey y’all

So

I’m 90% sure that box in the cover isn’t

Anything yet

That has been revealed

Accidental leak?

[rocky gale]

Yea Raven Guard don't have a Combat Patrol currently

Although I doubt that the picture is going to be their patrol since it's just 10 Phobos marines

It's possible they just took a random picture of some Raven Guard models that was in the GW database and used it

[young pecan]

Her and the Skitarii were probably my favorite characters tbh

Thank you for reminding me that I need to start a new Mechanicus run and finish it

[rose thorn]

They usually just terribly crop the pictures of combat patrols for the combat cards combat patrols

Like the world eaters one is missing half of the box in the picture

Also they only use pre existing pictures of models for the cards

And im@90% sure we don’t have official models of Raven gaurd supressors

[arctic talon]

It got revealed in a white dwarf

A while ago

[rose thorn]

Oh

[rocky gale]

Ah that's why, the webpage doesn't actually mention Raven Guard, so when I was looking for it nothing was coming up

[arctic talon]

No official box iirc

Yet at least

[rocky gale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/02/take-vanguard-space-marines-on-combat-patrol-in-white-dwarf-issue-496/

The Community page says basically to just buy the bits individually

Well it says to buy the Vanguard Strike Force and a Librarian and throw the Eliminators from the Strike Force into the bin

[arctic talon]

Keep them for later

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/dumpster-man-throw-out-trash-gif-14761446

[young pecan]

I like when the others dismiss the crazy religious one

[fossil bloom]

Crazy religious one is only ever used if you need to progress some more tbf

[arctic talon]

The crazy religous one has some decent points at times

but he's like

a fucking dumbass

[green loom]

Annoying

[arctic talon]

Scaveola is also an idiot

she's stupid in a different way

[fossil bloom]

Heretek vs Idiot priest

Idk what is worse

[arctic talon]

She isn't a full blown Heretek

tbf

She's absolutely a Xenarite

[fossil bloom]

Tbf she wants to keep a ||necron tomb alive.||

[arctic talon]

of a very extreme level

[fossil bloom]

Which is HERESY

[arctic talon]

Spoiler mark that

btw

the guy is playing through for the first time

but Scaveola is very stupid

[fossil bloom]

Scaveola is worse then mr horn

[arctic talon]

in terms of what they end up doing?

yeah

I agree

[fossil bloom]

Mr horn atleast was useful

[arctic talon]

Videx not knowing what Men of Iron were

is also funny

[fossil bloom]

And might be throwing ||fisticuffs with a psuedo-primarch within 3 months||

Men of iron are scary

They create null zones

Shivers

[young pecan]

Wish Rogue Trader amped up the difficulty like Mechanicus did

[fossil bloom]

Both are terrible in power scaling.

[arctic talon]

Mechanicus has a super fucked diffculty curve

It falls off a cliff late game

but its brutal early game

[fossil bloom]

Difficulty slide.

[young pecan]

For me it was the other way around

Probably still in the mid game

[arctic talon]

Heretek also has like

an absurd early game

Do not belive the games lies

that mission is not easy

[fossil bloom]

Rouge trader- ||Fighting necron tomb worlds with 5 dudes||
Mechanicus || One ark mechanicum solo's a tomb world when a gauss flayer one shots skitari and techpriests||

[arctic talon]

Tbh the power scaling of most 40k games is also fucked

[young pecan]

With Rogue Trader, it is getting a little more difficult as I'm getting ||Yrliet||, but not a single combat encounter has had me anywhere near almost losing

[fossil bloom]

You kind sir

[arctic talon]

officer shatters the action economy of the game

[fossil bloom]

Officer shatters everything

[arctic talon]

there's like 2 fights that stand out in my head in Rogue trader

the uh Comorragh one with them

[fossil bloom]

The only hard act is act 3

Everything else is easy as soon as you give argenta a heavy bolter

[arctic talon]

and the space hulk fight

[fossil bloom]

And she starts shooting 37 times a turn

[young pecan]

Scariest moment was ||The corrupted Mechanicus voidship with a forgedaemon at the end of it||, but even then only Pasqal went unconscious

[fossil bloom]

Whats your team.

[young pecan]

So far only one person goes unconscious in any tough fight

I have myself as a biomancer officer (now master strategist [the one that makes zones]), Cassia as the officer upgrade that lets her enhance her next attack, Argenta, Pasqal, Yrliet, and Abelard

[fossil bloom]

Okay so. you should not be letting anyone drop

[young pecan]

All are spec'd pretty wisely I would say, so maybe that's why I'm having an easy time

[fossil bloom]

Yrliet can one shot

Argenta can burst fire

No one should die

[young pecan]

I never do except in that one fight

[fossil bloom]

Given yrliet can do upwards of 10k damage

One shot

[young pecan]

And that was because he had a feature I did not know of where he burst AoE/ when it's not his turn

[fossil bloom]

Argenta can unload 3000 30 damage bolts into someone

[young pecan]

I don't misplay much, but on the occasion that I do my characters are built to work

[fossil bloom]

Simply put

VoC argenta turn 0

BRING IT DOWN

[young pecan]

Exactly

[fossil bloom]

Burst single shot

[young pecan]

Every single time

[fossil bloom]

BRING IT DOWN

Burst single shot

[young pecan]

I have talents set up so that she gets her wildfire reduced by the time that it's her turn

[fossil bloom]

So uh

Listen

2 officers

[young pecan]

3 versatility stacks before it's her actual turn

[fossil bloom]

Can have argenta

With 6 versatility stacks

[young pecan]

Minimum

[fossil bloom]

Before the fight even starts

Want to know how/why

Talent that gives officer turn at start of fight, BiD +2 versatlity so far. Second officer repeats. She starts with 2 stacks.

6 stacks

then officers turn

10+ stacks

Wildfire is free

1000 balistic skill

Open fire

Miss 0 shots

[young pecan]

Pretty much my start of every fight there, except I never gave Cassia the talent to get a free officer turn at start

But that works fine with me, everything else she's been given keeps her the MVP

[fossil bloom]

RESPEC

NOW

[young pecan]

Nahh, don't need

[fossil bloom]

You do need it

You want to 0 turn it

Do you have the talent for argenta that means 3 stacks of versality makes versatility cheaper by 1?

[young pecan]

Yeah

That's a given

[fossil bloom]

By the time the battle starts

She can gain 2 stacks of versality a turn

[young pecan]

I personally don't see the need, I don't want it to be drawn out and even more cheese

[fossil bloom]

Maybe 3

[young pecan]

I like giving other characters the spotlight in their own ways as well

[fossil bloom]

Just wait until we KILL A GOD DAMNED ||CTAN SHARD|| OF THE ||VOID DRAGON|| ON OUR OWN WITH NO HELP THAT LISTENS TO AN ||INQUISITOR||

[young pecan]

I will not spoil myself but I am happy for you

[fossil bloom]

Best of luck actually getting to the final act

[storm jungle]

Basically like most religious people IRL.

[young pecan]

You being such an openly based mod is one of the reasons I love this channel so much

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Im just being honest and hoping I sound based tbh so thanks

[green loom]

Lore chat is why I tolerate the disc

Dilara shenanigans are a solid 50% of my entertainment

Also
Starsector is funny

Some raving madman officer in the secret police of one of the nations yoinked me to the side to try and hire me to carry out his terrorist plot

He was promptly shot in the head by his boss who barged in mid meeting
Who decided to hire me to carry out his terrorist plot

[storm jungle]

Most 40k sentence ive read in awhile

[rose thorn]

Dilara based af mod

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Have you found Lobter yet

[green loom]

Yes

Lober is life

[rose thorn]

What’s star sector?

[green loom]

Ever play mount and blade?

[rose thorn]

OH THAT STAR SECTOR

[green loom]

Yee

[rose thorn]

I played the demo it very fun

I’m not putting my debt card in that website tho

[arctic talon]

Lol

It’s safe

It’s incredibly sussy I know

[crystal forum]

you dont even have to buy it

[arctic talon]

But everyone I know who’s bought it along with me haven’t

[crystal forum]

just get somebody's key

[arctic talon]

Has their cards get scammed

[crystal forum]

did an update drop

woah holy shit it did

[rose thorn]

?

[green loom]

I've been selling lobers for hours

[crystal forum]

welp guess this is my life for the next 2 weeks

[rose thorn]

O

[green loom]

And I still haven't found either a Condor OR a Heron

I mean I've found black market condors but I haven't even seen a Heron yet

[rose thorn]

I wonder how does the imperium back up their money?

Like I know there’s plenty of currencies

[arctic talon]

Depends sector to sector

I’d assume

[crystal forum]

@green loom how long have you been playing your campaign

[rose thorn]

Im@pretty sure thrones and credits are the most common

[arctic talon]

Guarantee of food might be one

Like

[green loom]

Dozen hours maybe

[arctic talon]

If you have thrones

You’ll be able to get food

Somehow somewhere

[rose thorn]

Yeha but food in 40k?

[arctic talon]

Still important

[green loom]

I've found heaps of gigantic ships but not a single Heron

[arctic talon]

Hell even fancier food

Or food with more nutrition

[rose thorn]

I’m 90% sure in necromunda they back credits with water

[green loom]

Also random pirates keep stealing me new ships

[arctic talon]

Prolly

[rose thorn]

A flat rate for water I mean

[arctic talon]

Clean water expensive

What even backs caps on the east coast in fallout

It’s water on the west coast

So it’s logical they’re valuable as currency

Actually in 40k on hive worlds in general money is prolly backed by clean water

[rose thorn]

Clean?

You mean drinkable lmao

[arctic talon]

Lol

That’s more accurate

[crystal forum]

what's the name of your org

[arctic talon]

I’d assume on death worlds it’s backed by similar like

[green loom]

My what

[arctic talon]

Things

On a forgeworld the tech priest says it’s valuable and if you disagree you get killed

Not like tech priests are doing transactions with cash anyways with each other

Actually wait @rose thorn what if the money in 40k is backed by the fact it’s made out of precious metal lol

[fossil bloom]

Is there a book which involves the farsight enclaves? After farsight dips?

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah, I forgot thrones are 100% made of gold

[arctic talon]

That brings up what other stuff is made out of

Credits I can’t see being 100% gold

ESP the necromunda bones

[rose thorn]

I’m pretty sure a planet’s coins were made of uh, ceramite

But when it joins the imperium the planet became a mining planet lol

I think it was a gaurd regiment

[robust zephyr]

Has it ever been explained what the conversion rate for teeth is for orks? Like are ONLY ork teeth valuable to them? Or is any tooth valuable to them? Is it the race that determines the value? The size? Is a hive tyrant tooth the same value as a grot tooth?

I MUST KNOW

[humble shoal]

Fairly certain value depends on size of waagh, general supply of teef of a specific type etc

[storm jungle]

Its only ork teeth. Prices likely vary by supply and demand. (and since they are orks, the ability to loot items from other orks)

The ork economy works since different teeth have different value and they also decay to help control inflation, which means that it depends on the climate

[humble shoal]

Ok but hear me out, tyranid teef

Could be beeg

[storm jungle]

Has to be ork teeth, otherwise they'll accuse you of being non-orky

[humble shoal]

Fair

But them grots

Shady non orky like might try

[storm jungle]

for a blunt comparison, this is like walking into a U.S shop and asking the shopkeeper to accept japanese yen as money

if an ork is dumb enough tho they might not notice so lol

[humble shoal]

Real question is the catechan knife seniority rankings.

[arctic talon]

Iirc no

[analog cloud]

best ending is following her inquiry to the full conclusion. Big issue with the Imperium generally is its inability to adapt and learn. She's precisely the kind of heretic that is needed.

she's also a bastard, but not giving a fuck about the "abhor the xenos" thing is solving the Imperium's main issue (that they're theocratic fascists slowly crumbling under the weight of dogma, superstition, and ignorance)

yes I was an edgy atheist in high school, how did you know?

[crystal forum]

the highest point in my highschool life was telling my christian class teacher than i refused to watch the christian movie

[queen laurel]

Bro is among us shaped

[rose thorn]

omfg i jsut realized the phone num,bers by some ppls user naems is their invite code

im so dumb

[humble shoal]

piss em off by calling Jesus Oily Josh (accurate name btw)

[rose thorn]

who are th ebiggest pitfall 40k tubers

example uh, dwanehamemer or who ever took a dunk in fucking nike slime for 40k

[queen laurel]

Wes would be the slime man https://youtu.be/A7oK0pSWpag?si=n9fDh-QRDcY_cHNY

more specifically it's apparently called Grunge

[rose thorn]

this feels so fucking fake

[queen laurel]

It's real and he got people to help him do it

[rose thorn]

thef unniest part is the game pass symbol

its barely mroe noticible then the dark tide game

the entire fucking image also breaks the what s it called, rules of framing?

[queen laurel]

Didn't notice that because I just came for the funny humans getting thrown into the slime

[rose thorn]

okay im ghoing over it

i mean

[crystal forum]

rule of thirds?

[rose thorn]

im exaduarating

i feel like the game you are advertising should not be in section 4 that you look at usaully

[crystal forum]

go home you're drunk

[rose thorn]

im not im tired doign hoem owrk

and i cant spell

[crisp heath]

I am drunk, who wants to talk about Malice

I just got done with a malice deep dive

nevermind too drunk good night

[rose thorn]

whats malice?

[queen laurel]

supposed 5th chaos god

[rose thorn]

oH

[queen laurel]

This Runt

[rose thorn]

oh the most like

[queen laurel]

But he is basically been forgotten he is canon

[rose thorn]

overrated scrapepd thing

i jsut dont liek malice

but i dont mind ppl who do

[queen laurel]

He is basically been reduced to canon plot device that will be used in the future if he is lucky

[rose thorn]

he has a neat csm warband

and like, a cult in old world

[queen laurel]

Old world is Malal

[rose thorn]

same thing

[queen laurel]

by function yes but by rights

not much

[rose thorn]

lmao

[thick ember]

Which is better Malal or malice?

[crisp heath]

malice, almost no lore so I can project whatever I want on him

Malal got a whole comic book, fuck that "hard canon" noise

[rose thorn]

Based

[arctic talon]

Malice is less large as a god but better written imo

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/6_xDdai86d8?si=ztg1dHgO7qRKEAsY

Dawn of war is a good example

If either forces don't really disagree with each other they just kill each other

Imperial guard literally went up against the blood Ravens

in Dark crusade and soul storm

it need a very polished cover system though because literally every one uses range as the bulk of their Power

[thick ember]

Say… about the whole seer whatnot

And his beloved.

Who here thinks it’s the compassionate shards of the actual emperor of mankind, or the tts version, or tzeentch…?

[queen laurel]

It's either the actual shards of the emperor or just a very good pretending demon

[grave widget]

his beloved tells him to kill a lot

i doubt its compassion thats compelling this beloved

[queen laurel]

trust me it's very easy to turn everyone against each other in warhammer

You can easily ******** your reasons very very well

Let's just say this sister of battle has deemed this imperial guard regiment in this sector not worthy

But the imperial guard says ******** and they said they will stay

civil war happens

The only ones like you really and I mean really have to stretch reasons for fighting each other is Eldar and Tau

[fossil bloom]

Eldar see tau do some shit that end up with craftworld death. Done for you!

[arctic talon]

Craftworld vs craftworld is the most absurd one

But also like

Doesn’t matter

Total war games for warhammer fantasy let you do some goofy stuff

[celest dome]

Empire vs Empire is also something that doesn't really happen much in lore. Its still a sandbox game so it's fine if they fight

[arctic talon]

If we get total war 40k

I’m gona try to ally any eldar faction with chaos and any imperial faction with chaos

Or orks with literally anyone

[queen laurel]

Chaos Watching Orks trade weapons and resources with the imperium combining their forces into a gigantic Titan assisted assault

[arctic talon]

Lmao

I hope we get allied recruitment

I wana mix orks and eldar

War in heaven lookin ass army

[celest dome]

You all are forgetting something else

[arctic talon]

Temu war in heaven army

[arctic talon]

Nids?

[celest dome]

Tyranid

[arctic talon]

Ngl nids are like

Weird

[celest dome]

Tyranid diplomacy

[arctic talon]

Would they even have diplomacy

I hope they will

Even if diplomacy kinda sucks

It’s fun

[celest dome]

TWwarhammer doesn't have a race that don't

[arctic talon]

That’s also bcs the fantasy races are like

[queen laurel]

having Imperial Guard as vassals and forcing them to be the gretchen even though the slugga boyz can tank will be hilarious

[arctic talon]

All open to talking at least sometimes

[queen laurel]

They could go to chaos route and you know only have nice relationships with other tyranids

[arctic talon]

I don’t think nids can even talk

[arctic talon]

I mean you can have decent relations with non chaos as chaos in tww

[queen laurel]

they can try making a bioform specialize in talking

[arctic talon]

It’s just a pain in the ass

[queen laurel]

Have a gene stealer represent them

[arctic talon]

And like near impossible

Oh you know what

[queen laurel]

Make him do the talking

[arctic talon]

Yeah that’s smart

[queen laurel]

yeah zoats used to do the talking just make it the job of the gene stealers

[fossil bloom]

If you made a stick look enough like a bazooka. And loaded it with what looks like a rocket. Would an ork be able to shoot it?

[celest dome]

No

[queen laurel]

No ork powers act like duct tape to the universe, an ork can fire a broken bazooka because Waaaggh makes it fire by fixing it but he can only fire the few times before it actually becomes unfirable, if it was a stick and just a rock no it will not work

[celest dome]

Waaagh Wd40

[queen laurel]

Basically they need a believable enough medium to work off of

Red paint giving speed for example

[celest dome]

Still think that TW40k is an idea that isn't as perfect as some people seem to think

I would prefer they do a custom setting based on the world's mythos. Like having Zeus fight against Odin and Amaterasu

[arctic talon]

I want a new medieval

Or shogun

[celest dome]

Tbh I don't get interested in historical games anymore

[arctic talon]

Fair

[fossil bloom]

Not perfect. However I can make plausible reasons for every fightm

Ork vs whatever. It works.
Imperium vs whatever it works
Tau vs tau. Farsight enclaves vs tau empire
Eldar vs eldar. Shenanigans to distract mon-keigh.
Necron vs whatever. Get off my lawn!

[green loom]

The motive isn't the issue

Everyone fights everyone

Making the game not horrible poop shit is the hard part

But 40k fans are immune to good concepts

So this doesn't jive

[celest dome]

40k fans also often have flawed idea of what a good concept is, or lack knowledge of what achieveable scope is

The number of times I've seen people mention Battlefield 40k with the idea of having every faction in the game

[queen laurel]

That is a fun idea until you have to watch as you unload 5 magazines worth of your bullets into that necron immortal and it shoots your tank and destroys it with a single shot

[bold wren]

What do you think of Chaos Gate

It was released 5 days ago?

[celest dome]

Also the matter that weapons are shared, as in there isn't faction restricted weapons except in specific mode, at least in most Battlefields

[green loom]

It was released like 2 years ago, I think it just got ported to console

[bold wren]

Is it any good?

[green loom]

40k XCOM

[bold wren]

So, yes it's good.

The mods on x-com go crazy.

[green loom]

Bit...janky
In the cutscene/story department

But from what I know it's fine

[bold wren]

Janky doesn't bother me

European games are known to be janky.

Can't complain when tomb raider is clunky too.

If anything the clunkiness might make some people nostalgic.

I mean is it better then battle sector?

[green loom]

Is warcraft better than Wolfenstein?

Different games

Can't really say which is better

[bold wren]

I mean battle sector is a strategy game.

[queen laurel]

yeah and dawn of war is also a strategy game

total war is also a strategy game

but they're completely different in the way they play

[bold wren]

Battle Sector ain't bad

It's difficult to get the hang of.

But it seems pretty decent.

I mean that's the point of strategy games actually thinking about actions before wasting resources.

[green loom]

Anyway it should be good enough

Like you usually don't see complaints about it

[bold wren]

People only complaining about controls haven't played retro games.

On console of course the controls would be weird.

It's a keyboard and mouse game ported.

Strategy games do better on pc simply from how easy clicking on your units is.

Using a joystick to steer over towards a enemy on a strategy game hurts.

Where are the dying guardsmen.

I want to see commisars having their heads ripped off by a chaos space marine.

Hope they're don't get eaten by a world eater.

Macragge is always getting attacked by Tyranids. When will it end.

Like how many times have the Ultra Marines wiped those literal roaches out.

Even when they die it's like they always come back, how do they do it.

[celest dome]

Scope wise it's much better than trying to do all of the lore

[bold wren]

I mean to be honest the guard is more common.

So no the space marines wouldn't be involved.

Unless it's actually needed.

But the guard is competent enough to kill the right people, and killteams are usually pretty experienced soldiers.

Or criminals who are hardened to the point that even a heretic probably would be scared.

Space Marines are special forces yeah, but the people doing the majority of the fighting isn't them.

A experienced soldier is valuable for future soldiers, and training them to be a sufficient enough fighting force. I mean sure they cannot handle chaos space marines, but they're not expected to.

[green loom]

Guard are Omni present but there's more games about marines because they're more popular

Most fans don't get this but the lore doesn't actually matter, and just because it'd "make sense in lore", doesn't mean it'll hold any weight in marketing/design

[bold wren]

I don't mean makes sense in lore just make a battle field campaign and people will eat it up.

I mean am I wrong?

People love that shit.

[green loom]

You aren't really but why do that when you can make more marine content that a few thousand people will autobuy

I mean obviously non marine games sometimes do really well like darktide

[dusk patrol]

I mean also, just because in lore most engagements are probably normal humans vs humans or orks doesn't mean we need to always see that.

You're getting a highlight reel theoretically.

[unborn phoenix]

Would an imperator beat Godzilla

[slow roost]

So I expect to be excited via bolt pistol for asking this

But what’s the deal with the 2nd and 11th primarchs?

Who were they and why were they expunged

[unborn phoenix]

Horus almost got unmade for bringing it up

[slow roost]

Yuh

But you see

I’m goated

So I’ll be good

But seriously what’s the deal with these forgotten primarchs?

[unborn phoenix]

Based on firepower?

Or who can absorb blows better

Mhm

I want to see Captain America attempt to fight a space marine

[storm jungle]

Godzilla has survived literal nukes

[celest dome]

Nothing is known pretty much

[storm jungle]

and is way more mobile than a titan

And he pushes the Imperator once and its game over

[celest dome]

And has his radiation breath attack

[storm jungle]

also like

he has fought and defeated Mecha-godzilla

which is like

a titan on steroids

regular imperial titans more or less got no chance

their biggest weakness is size and mobility

[bold wren]

Godzilla went to hell once.

[storm jungle]

Godzilla is too OP in general

[celest dome]

Godzilla can sin

[bold wren]

Usually when you go to hell you don't come back.

No Godzilla killed Satan himself

The true prophet of God.

Godzilla himself

[storm jungle]

Godzilla is also like very bad to compare to stuff

he has had many itterations

from being a dinky lizard to literally destroying a planet

so

[bold wren]

Mothra was powerful once

In every other edition not so much.

I mean it's a moth what more can you expect

[unborn phoenix]

I was just asking a question damn

[storm jungle]

I mean we are answering it

[tulip brook]

power comparison between universes don't really work but god damn it'll be a great story imperial forces battling a lizard capable of chewing multiple titans

[unborn phoenix]

I mean you jumped in saying it's a terrible comparison

[storm jungle]

Because comparing other universes to 40k is a can of worms

[unborn phoenix]

Can I be happy picturing captain America being shredded by a space marine?

[queen laurel]

can i also add that godzilla has a version that can literally destroy the world because of overheating and exploding

that's one of the lesser strong ones

[unborn phoenix]

I was mainly referring to legendary's version

[bold wren]

I would want a one off Godzilla story.

It has happened in DC comics.

It would be pretty interesting

[unborn phoenix]

I mean the justice league is currently fighting him

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/vh7RjES2BUY?si=Dk29j01tHPK41CnY legendary godzilla's atomic breath on full blast reached the earth of the core

[bold wren]

Thing about Godzilla he comes in many shapes and sizes.

So who knows which version you might get.

He ain't the king of monsters for no reason.

[storm jungle]

Godzilla is way too much of a varied character to be compared to them mostly.

And imperial titans are over wanked as FUCK

[unborn phoenix]

Godzilla earth was biggest version

Four times the size of a titan most likely

[bold wren]

2015 Godzilla was theorized to keep expanding

So there is more forms and that is probably the most grotesque version of him.

The actual Japanese film and not the American one.

[unborn phoenix]

You mean shin Godzilla

[bold wren]

Yeah

[unborn phoenix]

A very crazy version but awesome

[bold wren]

That Godzilla is powerful but people actually had logic in that movie.

[storm jungle]

Shin Godzilla is probably one of the most creative versions of the character in general.

the fact that he was also slowly becoming a multiple hivemind was lmao

[queen laurel]

182 feet average imperial Titan vs 390 feet legendary Godzilla

[unborn phoenix]

The frozen arms was crazy

[queen laurel]

I don't care how strong a void shield is that thing is going to collapse to an atomic breath

[unborn phoenix]

Like it was forming a colony like mold

[bold wren]

Well Godzilla has a tail whip

[queen laurel]

You're the one who said Godzilla can't break the shield

[bold wren]

And well you see the power that puts out

[unborn phoenix]

That versions atomic breath and the lights from the spine and tail were so cool

[storm jungle]

"Imperial titans are too OP"

One ork with a bike jumping into one's cockpit

[bold wren]

To be honest Godzilla doesn't need his atomic breath to crush things. He is bigger then probably a titan.

[storm jungle]

[unborn phoenix]

Need to know where I can watch it

[queen laurel]

99,634 tons is the weight legendary Godzilla

[bold wren]

Titans are giant but not that giant

[unborn phoenix]

You'd need that father of the titans maybe

The AI one

[queen laurel]

Yeah literally the entire reason why Titans are very hard to take down is because of the shield you get past that and you can bring that thing down

[bold wren]

They're all technically AI

[unborn phoenix]

It started off 40k then went to Godzilla

[bold wren]

I mean. Even when the pilot dies there has been some stories that are questionable if they should be allowed to exist

Despite they defended mars loyally.

[unborn phoenix]

People compared titans against Jaegers

[bold wren]

I mean titans are basically just huge mechs

[unborn phoenix]

Jaegers can move but defense and offense wise would be gunned down before they got close

[bold wren]

It isn't hard to see why.

[queen laurel]

Jaegers would lose to a titan

[storm jungle]

Unless its a smart jaeger pilot. It very much depends.

[queen laurel]

They are designed to primarily combat kaiju

[storm jungle]

Titans' biggest weakness is mobility

its why they need escorts

[bold wren]

All jaegers are built differently

[storm jungle]

alone they pretty much always get bodied

or wittled down through attrition

its the entire reason why they need escorts

[bold wren]

I mean didn't we see jaegers fight?

[unborn phoenix]

Knights would be a better fight since they're known to move like an actual person

[storm jungle]

Knights would get bodied is the thing lol

[queen laurel]

Yes but jaeger weapons most times are designed to prevent kaiju bleeding

[storm jungle]

literally all it takes is a jaeger punching through the cockpit

[queen laurel]

They cauterize wounds stuff like that

[storm jungle]

and its pretty much game over

[queen laurel]

They very rarely use lethal destructive weapons because they try to also minimize damage

[bold wren]

Aren't Titans venerable at the legs?

I mean I am just curious.

[queen laurel]

Yes but you have to get through the shields

[bold wren]

Or you trip them.

I mean

[storm jungle]

the exodite shows this off

an eldar titan literally runs up to a warlord

slices its legs

boom, its over lol

[bold wren]

I was reminded of that Star Wars scene

With the AT-AT

[unborn phoenix]

At at suck tho

[bold wren]

Not really

[queen laurel]

Hell an ork gargant which is inferior in mobility and shielding tech can literally just overpower the titans in terms of raw fire power

[bold wren]

Higher up harder to get the pilot.

I guess

Until your legs are vulnerable and a wire trips you

They have tough shields too as described

But if you have legs for stability a huge weak spot despite shields.

[storm jungle]

AT-ATs are pretty much a vehicle the Imperium would make

[unborn phoenix]

A Jedi or sith with enough experience can launch themselves to the cockpit and do the job

[storm jungle]

entirely impractical

but looks cool

lol

[unborn phoenix]

And destructive

[bold wren]

Not even Jedi

Just a good pilot

They're very vulnerable to hit and run tactics

[unborn phoenix]

At at more scare tactic than anything

We've had star wars conversations before and you always give the nuh uh attitude it's annoying

[bold wren]

That's all it ever has been fear by the tarkin doctrine

[unborn phoenix]

Grand Moff tarkin was a military genius

[bold wren]

Idiot you mean.

[queen laurel]

@storm jungle Will always be hilarious to me that Ork Titans are more realistic and practical than that of the imperium's

[bold wren]

He is the reason the Empire is hated and the reason behind the rebellion getting more members.

[unborn phoenix]

I bet Dr.doom could fix the golden throne

[bold wren]

I mean even the Eldar cannot

They themselves barely understand it despite it is xenos tech.

[bold wren]

Ork meks shouldn't be underestimated.

They know their shit.

Mekboyz

[rocky gale]

I now fully understand the hate for GW's flight stands, they're not just awful they're inconsistently awful.

The first one could be totally fine and then the second one could disintegrate if it felt a soft breeze

[fossil bloom]

I hate flight stands. They just make the model bigger

[rocky gale]

They're a cool idea, they just suck

Like if they worked they'd be great

I also hate the build instructions for the Drukhari Reavers because the pieces are numbered on the sprue, but not in the build instructions.

[tough haven]

Literally, on an intuitive level

Meme template material

[queen laurel]

My God the proportions are really off

[green loom]

Not official yet

I think

[queen laurel]

yeah but even removing the juggernaut it's still off

the proportions I understand needed to be slimmed down a little bit for it to fit in the game but it just doesn't feel right

No one wants imperial guard people want the Super soldiers

They all so you know just have the problem of looking like you're generic foot soldier in a sci-fi

Space marines are so recognizable that even if someone is not a warhammer 40K fan if they see one they would go

"hey it's a space marine from 40K"

It's like someone who doesn't know about Pokémon knowing Pikachu

[tulip brook]

they have the same problem as pokemon too

everybody knows pikachu and a few popular ones but only fans know the real good ones

space marine, ultramarines, or different colored ultramarines...

[celest dome]

For Pokemon it's less of an issue because it's not like Pikachu is getting a disproportionate attention compared to the other

[rose thorn]

as an ultramarine fan, its fineeee, we mainly get books and art primarily, id rather have a bunch of okay books then a few terrible books like salamadners

or a single great book like

uh

raven guard

[arctic talon]

Raven guard have like

A 3 or 4 books

And all of them are good

[rose thorn]

corvus is good

i really liked corvus

i men

corax

nto corvus

also it proves gulliman is infact a gamer

[rocky gale]

Same person

[rose thorn]

corvus is a hsort story impretty sure

[arctic talon]

Gulliman is racist?

[rose thorn]

corax is the book

[rocky gale]

Ohhh

[rose thorn]

hes just roman and has like a 12 kd ratio

[arctic talon]

Lol

[rose thorn]

he cranks 90s in the simualtion chamber

[rotund fog]

The whole 40k Universe is

[young pecan]

I think there was a quote when he was talking about an Aeldar alliance where he was just like "Don't worry, we're still going to exterminate them, just not yet"

[arctic talon]

Yeah

I was just making a dumb joke

[young pecan]

Not allowed

[arctic talon]

[wintry scarab]

Wait wtf, is this real?

or a mod or something?

[celest dome]

Leaked CoD promotion

[wintry scarab]

oh, thats kinda cool i guess.

[storm jungle]

It's fake. Your mind made it up.

https://tenor.com/view/matrix-the-matrix-has-you-gif-8222043

[rocky gale]

https://tenor.com/view/bill-and-teds-excellent-adventure-ted-keanu-reeves-shocked-surprised-gif-4420106

[rose thorn]

My ass trying to figure out what faction CoD was

[arctic talon]

Cities of Digmar

[rose thorn]

Cisters of dattle

[rocky gale]

The Cult of Dorn, brand new faction of Imperial Fist auxiliary units.

[bold wren]

Well to be honest not all guard regiments are so basic. I enjoy a space marine, but like there is many like Cadians, and Krieg.

Those are only two but there is several the backbone of the Imperium is underestimated apparently.

Killteams are usually talented individuals that are found reliable, and are sent in. Space Marines aren't all they're are made out to be. Sure whilst powerful they're ultimately weapons, like anyone else.

[arctic talon]

Okay but thats like

because you know 40k

the average person doesn't know what 40k is really besides Marines

[bold wren]

I mean most of the Imperium is propaganda.

[fossil bloom]

I hate powerscaling issues.

[arctic talon]

okay but this is in the context of literal CoD cosmetics

they're gona pick whats recognizable

[bold wren]

I feel you don't understand how scary a several men with lasguns are.

[arctic talon]

????

[fossil bloom]

Sometimes you have a terminator getting shot up by a bolt pistol. Other times they tank an entire assault company of bolt pistol rounds.

[bold wren]

They even scared spacemarines.

[arctic talon]

My brother in christ the context to that whole thing was about CoD cosmetics

not like

actual 40k

[young pecan]

I mean, it does a little bit but def not like space marines do

[arctic talon]

also I just noticed your pfp with the 13% ironhelm lmao

[bold wren]

I was responding to a past message with reply. Because I fell asleep.

[rocky gale]

We're talking about literal regular people in the real world, not what people in 40k would think

[arctic talon]

40k doesn't care about powerscaling 99% of the time

[young pecan]

I just rolled a 10% damage the other day, I gotta update the pfp

[arctic talon]

lmao

I'm hunting for the white whale 0%

on a weapon

[bold wren]

40k table top is definitely about power scaling.

It seems like all people talk about are the codexs.

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah its a game

people gona talk about whats good

[fossil bloom]

But in lore?

[arctic talon]

Doesn't help that codex's have less lore in 10e then ever before

which is a shame

[bold wren]

Laziness it appears

[arctic talon]

In lore powerscaling doesn't matter its usually a "within reason" thing

[fossil bloom]

Nah we have power swords that bounce off a rusty knife when a power sword cleaved terminator armor in half

[arctic talon]

if it was laziness they could just reuse lore

its more so making books smaller

for reasons

[bold wren]

I mean adding less and less is probably to simply it.

[arctic talon]

tbh

[bold wren]

If anything.

[arctic talon]

its not like 10e codex's are thinner then 9e or 8e ones

by a good margin lol

[bold wren]

I mean that's good yes?

We have the books for lore.

[arctic talon]

Nah

Codex's and rule books have had a ton of foundational lore

historically

most of the core lore of 40k was in codex's/rulebooks

now its in the core rulebook/crusade books

which is fine

The Crusade books/campaign books seem to be GW's replacement for Codex lore

[bold wren]

Just makes me use audiobooks.

[arctic talon]

I mean

they won't

A lot of core lore is gona stay in rulebooks bcs thats just what GW does

stuff like Crusade: Pariah Nexus

[bold wren]

Kinda sucky.

[arctic talon]

not really

I prefer the dry analytical stuff

being in rulebooks

[bold wren]

I would prefer my purchase be all together. Just honestly.

[arctic talon]

people would not want to read the crusade or core rule book lore

as an aaudiobook

is more so my point

its very dry

and mostly like

[young pecan]

Love the setting and the video games about it but I can say with near confidence that I will never get into or understand the tabletop

[arctic talon]

Tabletop is pretty easy

as far as tabletop wargames go

[bold wren]

Tabletop is just rules and basically DnD

[rose thorn]

Yea it’s just stuff to remember

[arctic talon]

Not even close to DnD

[fossil bloom]

Tabletop is just wallet crushing

[rose thorn]

What

[bold wren]

Expect you are not writing the Experience

[arctic talon]

The game plays nothing like DnD

[young pecan]

Painting minis sounds cool to get good at

They can be sick decorations

[bold wren]

More then making minis.

And painting them.

[arctic talon]

Tbf

you can write narrative stuff

[young pecan]

Oh I mean just doing that by itself sounds fun too

[arctic talon]

for your own games

narrative games are fun

Crusade also gives an outline to write narrative stuff within one of the active warzones in 40k

same with Warzone books

[bold wren]

I mean I would like to see a Orks vs Tau.

[arctic talon]

I mean that did happen

in Arks of Omen

[rose thorn]

Every faction fights every other

[arctic talon]

Arks of Omen Farsight was like

99% Tau vs Orks

and then Daemons at the very end

[bold wren]

Expect the Necrons for the most part they do not fight because war.

[arctic talon]

Arks of Omen had pretty boring matchups ironically

mostly Imperium vs Chaos

but the whole thing was a Chaos focused campaign

[bold wren]

The Necrons just seem like they want to conquer but are more like leave my tomb.

[arctic talon]

Necrons absolutely do get into wars depending on the dynasty

the galaxy is rightfully theirs

[bold wren]

And then fight you for being on your tomb world. At least usually

[arctic talon]

in the necrons eyes

[bold wren]

I mean some Necrons would rather just be dead.

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

Thats whats fun about them as a faction

lots of variety

[bold wren]

Orks too

The lots of Klans.

[arctic talon]

Tbh every faction

has a lot of variety