#40k-lore-chat

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arctic talon
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How many problems did she make for herself

storm jungle
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Honestly hard to say, she really did cause the end of the world through a butterfly effect

arctic talon
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She did

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What she did in the past led to the end times

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What she’s done in AoS

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Is going to lead to slaanesh breaking out

storm jungle
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YEP

arctic talon
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Thanks

storm jungle
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I really do like how she learned basically nothing 💀

arctic talon
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Morathi

green loom
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I see this as an absolute win

arctic talon
storm jungle
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💀

dusk patrol
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It’s funny cause sex

queen laurel
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Morathi figuratively and metaphorically fucked the world over

storm jungle
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I mean it is

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because Morathi is literally a slut

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lmao

dusk patrol
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Reee

storm jungle
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hehehe

queen laurel
celest dome
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If we go by their last career being cannon, which they iirc are
Then she would wake in AoS as part of the Sylvaneth i think

dusk patrol
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Morathi you ignorant sluut

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Hah

arctic talon
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I’m not sure how she expected that one to go

celest dome
storm jungle
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LOL

queen laurel
arctic talon
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Lol

storm jungle
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Nagash is the type to go

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"Bitch I'm not into women. IM INTO POWER."

arctic talon
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I think it’s funny how soulblight in AoS are like

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2 dif factions fused together

queen laurel
arctic talon
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Or rather GW went out of their way

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To give the deathrattle skeletons lore

green loom
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I wonder what the hells up with that one city of the free dead

arctic talon
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Nagash is prolly trying to enslave/slaughter them

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Most of the independent deathrattle skeleton nations are still loyal to nagash

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I do think it’s funny how the necroquake ended up spawning so many random undead

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And a lot of them are just chill

storm jungle
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Yeah it makes sense to a degree because uh

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necromancy was a HUGE subcast of shit in WHF

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to the point that it can legit get confusing lol

arctic talon
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Necromancy is so bloated in whf

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But it’s cool so

queen laurel
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oh wait

arctic talon
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La cretura

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I love how it’s lore is that the bonereapers were inspired

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By the skaven lol

storm jungle
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They are really cool

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the asian lockstep aesthetic is also just

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👌

arctic talon
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Bonestodes

storm jungle
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YES lmao

green loom
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You were inspired by the skaven

storm jungle
arctic talon
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Death and taxes

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They’re both

rocky gale
arctic talon
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Yep

rocky gale
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Honestly in the Drukhari subreddit nowadays I see more people making Archons from Soulblight vamps than I do the actual Archon model that GW sells

storm jungle
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they got the segmented armor aesthetic yep

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also its because that model is

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TRASH

rocky gale
storm jungle
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YEET

rocky gale
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Like just buy this set and you've got 4 new Drukhari models.

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That's two Archons, a Succubus and a Haemonculi right there (with some headswaps)

queen laurel
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with a bit of magic brutes be pretty good Mega Nobz

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just seeing this model really tells you how beast man got shit on

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this guy getting into destruction is still one of the greatest mysteries of all time

arctic talon
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Beastmen players literally getting cucked by GW

storm jungle
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LOL

arctic talon
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I can’t wait for Maliketh/Malerion

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To cause the uh

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Shadowquake

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Ulguquake?

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Idfk

storm jungle
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I do love how uh

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he officially got renamed to Malerion in WHF lol

celest dome
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Isn't it cause Malekith is a name owned by Marvel or something ?

storm jungle
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Yep he came first

celest dome
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Tbh I think it should be Shadowshriek

rocky gale
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I'll take two Shadowshakes to go, with extra edge

orchid lark
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Imma bout to malequake right now

arctic talon
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GW have been teasing malerion for ages

celest dome
orchid lark
queen laurel
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Like this guy looks way too perfect to not belong in beastmen

rocky gale
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My Drukhari arrived miyanohyperahhhh

storm jungle
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Cue stepping on lego

rocky gale
storm jungle
queen laurel
rocky gale
pine wedge
rocky gale
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It's important to stay in character

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To create Drukhari, one must understand the Drukhari.

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The realisation has just hit me, I will now have to work the GW's flying stands. What have I done.

storm jungle
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lmaoooo

green loom
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Wonder what the Broken Lance OST will be like

storm jungle
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generic intense music

celest dome
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I mean if they reuse the model of the Chaos Ogryn, maybe they'll do the same with the music 🤷

storm jungle
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LMAO

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200 DAYS?

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I DONT KNOW IF ILL EVEN LIVE THAT LONG

tulip brook
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If it doesn't get another delay 😈

storm jungle
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lmao

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considering how little we've seen of the game and the studio advertised wouldnt surprise me lol

green loom
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I want them phobos armours

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Though I'm half expecting multiplayer customization will be kinda like halo with it's rigs

wintry scarab
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I have a feeling that space marine 2 is going to be a disaster.

storm jungle
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I’ll say just pretty visuals but mediocre

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The marketing more or less showed nothing lol

celest dome
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It's the basic shooting rpg game

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Nothing really experimental/new

queen laurel
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it's a space marine killing a tyranid over and over again

median stag
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I want to know everything

median stag
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Slightly new

green loom
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What's everything

orchid lark
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the sum total of all things

wintry scarab
# storm jungle The marketing more or less showed nothing lol

Tbf there is a reviewer i watch that got to play it and he said it was really fun. Im really worried about the store though. I really hope i can recreate my homebrew with like a custom logo and stuff. Something tells me we are going to get a fortnite store. Just like some other warhammer game i like.

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I hope that them coming out and saying there is a "season pass" means that we pay for that and nothing else.

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I miss the days of being able to unlock everything without having to buy another games worth in the process

celest dome
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Is nothing part of everything ?

rocky gale
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I decided to start by describing the exact specifications of every individual grain of sand in the universe.

bold wren
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The nids are just canon to the Ultra Marines constantly trying to take their world.

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But I want to fight actual bio-forms that are cool. And it isn't just space marines there is guardsmen.

median stag
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it would take a 1400 word essay to explain everything

median stag
pale onyx
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I like how most of the church of the god emperor "holy texts" comes from a schitzo dreadnought who was in isolation for thousands of years.

queen laurel
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this one is a lot more compact

crystal forum
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ruins the mood imo. luetin does it a lot more theatrically

queen laurel
median stag
queen laurel
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You have the time to listen for him good

median stag
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I'll watch both 🗿

queen laurel
median stag
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Not a BS yes

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YES 🗿🤌🏻😈

queen laurel
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i suggest you watch this one after you finish both of the videos

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This one talks about every faction

median stag
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Saved 👌🏻

median stag
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I'm dead serious about it too

queen laurel
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Yeah enjoy

median stag
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Thank you thank you, after finally getting into Warhammer the past 2 days. I need all knowledge 💯

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Literally I feel 15 years late lol

crystal forum
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more like 40

queen laurel
queen laurel
crystal forum
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you cannot accomplish such a task

median stag
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Have not picked an Army YET

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Nor do I have the money to buy the table figures,
....yet lol

queen laurel
median stag
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But it will happen as my future hobby

crystal forum
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leman russ wins

queen laurel
crystal forum
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i will at least die with dignity in my LEMAN RUSS

thorn zenith
crystal forum
thorn zenith
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Fair point

tough haven
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Alright guys, I’m sitting with a patient in the ED at work so I’ve got 4 hours minimum to kill, anyone got a good topic?

median stag
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E

gray umbra
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Disclose patient info pls

tough haven
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Just kidding, I enjoy having a job and not going to prison

crystal forum
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is there somebody dying beside you

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let's talk about how hospitals would work in 40k

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the average lifespan for even a low level civilian is like 90 years in the imperium because of tech so does this mean healthcare is a thing

orchid lark
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average lifespan has lessened because of the Noctis Aeterna

crystal forum
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what's the noctis aeterna

orchid lark
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the period of time when the Great Rift first appeared and made the imperium suffer the blackout

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life after it, which is after the formation of the great rift, has been worse

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hence the Indomitus Crusade

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god knows what shit is like on Imperium Nihilus

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there was a time where you could legit say living in 40k would be okay for a human

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now theres no guarantee lmao

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the most "peaceful" world you could get is what

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the new Hub Fortress worlds that Guilliman demanded to be made?

gray umbra
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How much is a rejuvenat treatment in USD

rose thorn
orchid lark
gray umbra
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With or without insurance

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Would i get a better deal if i went to the eu

orchid lark
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you need the honeymoon stitch huh?

gray umbra
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I want to be pretty like cain

tough haven
crystal forum
queen laurel
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But jesus christ he is so out of place in destruction

rose thorn
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He was hinted in the lore for a while

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Like being the main reason dragons got mulched

crystal forum
rose thorn
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Being the biggest guy who ate the most stone fits destruction

crystal forum
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then again dark imperium is a such a generic name

queen laurel
rose thorn
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He mainly fills an important role of matching belakor and Nagash

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For universal alliance models

queen laurel
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A giant centaur thing would fit in with the beast man

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Lorwise yeah he is perfect in destruction designwise he is a bit off in that part

rose thorn
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Beast man wouldn’t work with him at all tbh, beastmen are like natural appearance of chaos

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They don’t wear ordainments and armor because it’s man made

queen laurel
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You release a giant cool centaur

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And it does not go to the beast faction

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My god

rose thorn
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They got big Ws in the underworld book

rose thorn
queen laurel
tough haven
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But I can more or less be on my phone

rose thorn
queen laurel
rose thorn
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Old world they tried to make them interesting by making them cringe and edgy

rose thorn
tough haven
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I like abhumans more than most of the imperium

queen laurel
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Battle tome

tough haven
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Give me more ratling and ogryn books please

rose thorn
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I have the flesh eater courts one

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And it’s such a fun read

queen laurel
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Considering that they're the best sources of lore for a faction

rose thorn
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Or how people try to capture beastmen and then it ends horribly

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I’m not gonna get beastmen until next edition

queen laurel
crystal forum
queen laurel
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They forge armor around their body by punching the metal around it

rose thorn
queen laurel
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And

rose thorn
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Also their wahhh energy makes sense

queen laurel
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These guys are even more dangerous than a black orc

crystal forum
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a book about a semi smart ogryn would be great tho

tough haven
rose thorn
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They can channel it each clan

tough haven
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But I love my little guys, literally and figurative little

rose thorn
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Iron jaws basically cause them selves to be stronger as well as their armor to literally become denser

tough haven
rose thorn
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And the paint on their armor changes their armors properties

tough haven
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Solid abhuman series

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Hoping for more

crystal forum
tough haven
rose thorn
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The bone splittaz cause nature to fucking go insane

queen laurel
# rose thorn They can channel it each clan

Yeah krule boyz literally use it to change the world around them into a swamp

Bone Splitterz using the energy can devour a monster and gets its power

And iron jawz literally become hulking masses of flesh and iron by abusing and then taking in the energy

queen laurel
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It's such a creative way of showing how destructive The WAAAAAGGGHHH is

rose thorn
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I’m waiting for the bone splitterz line refresh

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But I currently am working on my krule boyz army

queen laurel
tough haven
queen laurel
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A bit of redo would serve them well

tough haven
storm jungle
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Christ thats some writing lol

rose thorn
crystal forum
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actually makes me uncomfortable lol

queen laurel
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@rose thorn my favorite lore bit explaining what it's like to enter a magical duel against a weirdnob shaman

tough haven
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“This one’s nice.’ Clodde peered up at the huge painting of a void war. At least the big lad’s mood had brightened. ‘Whoever done it had a good eye for composition. Notice the interplay of light and shadow, how these lance batteries colour the whole scene in gold and black, evoking both the euphoria and the melancholy what comes from blowing stuff to bits with a massive great gun.”

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An ogryn with the ability to be philosophical, but still equally enjoys bashing things to bits is a scary concept

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His implant only works some of the time though, so he just gets random bouts of scholarly reflection

tough haven
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It’s even funnier because he constantly talks about how stupid he is since it’s drilled into you as a abhuman

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“They think we’re all bloody stupid, Clodde. Rats, ogs, ­afriels, glanders, gromes, stunts, ferals. The humes think we’re as daft as each other. No offence, lad.’
‘None taken, mate. My monumental stupidity is a plainly objective fact.”

queen laurel
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I have to read it after reading that

tough haven
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Baggit and clodde

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First book is a audiobook only though

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Called Dredge runners

rocky gale
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"My monumental stupidity is a plainly objective fact."

Literally me

tough haven
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Second one is called the Wraithbone Phoenix and is the better of the two imo

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They’re both recent so I’m hoping for more

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“Clodde looked bemused. ‘Ogryns tend to live mercifully free of the burden of long-term memories,’ he said. ‘Our prodigious stupidity enables us to apprehend little beyond the constancy of the moment.”

queen laurel
tough haven
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I wanna play my next rpg character like this one, but I like the idea of doing a simple but kind loyal ogryn

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Modeled after bodyguard/brawler

crystal forum
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it's really hard to make a dumb strong character not be generic

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but there's a lot of room for depth

tough haven
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Or at least fun

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I’m not counting bully

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Because he’s perfectly generic, and I’m fine with that

tough haven
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It’s fantasy setting so it’s an Ogre instead, but I’m just stealing from 40K lol

tough haven
queen laurel
rose thorn
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what rpg book had that custom space marine chatper creator

tough haven
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It’s gonna be a experimental magical device that just pretty much doesn’t work most of the time

queen laurel
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since it's going to be fantasy

tough haven
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Can’t be worked on extensively or removed without killing him

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Usually there’s some level of magical devices artificer style

tough haven
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Maybe it can be shrapnel from a battle

tough haven
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“Presence and absence,’ Clodde said
‘Presence and what?’
‘Knowing how to overcome the presence of an obstacle by exploiting what is absent. It is a principle Baggit has clearly internalised. I ’ave extensive theories, though every time I try and share them with him, he tells me to put a sock in it.”

tough haven
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Love it

tough haven
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I’m really just changing the name and tweaking some things to fit better

rocky gale
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If I remember correctly there's an Ogre NPC in the Descent into Avernus adventure module who became a scholar after eating a gnome that was wearing a headband of Intellect.

rocky gale
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I don't think so

queen laurel
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and he has this

rocky gale
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No not from Baldurs Gate 3

queen laurel
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i guess they just had similar names

crystal forum
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mister crump

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get down president lump

rocky gale
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The one from Descent into Avernus is called Little One

queen laurel
rocky gale
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and he's like an actual scholar

queen laurel
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Or he just straight up digested the magic and became smart

rocky gale
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He was filled with guilt, named himself Little One in honour of the halfling he'd eaten and became a pacifist, dedicating himself to knowledge to atone for his prior actions.

queen laurel
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Like it's inside of him

rocky gale
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Oh no according to the Wiki he just wore it after eating the Halfling

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I must have misremembered him eating it

queen laurel
rocky gale
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Descent into Avernus is a Baldurs Gate story and takes place like a couple months before BG3

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So probably

gray umbra
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Ogryn with 17 int

rose thorn
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Cemetery space marines?

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Fuck it

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My chapter will be cemetery marines

pale onyx
rose thorn
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As in they protect cemeteries and are generally kinda grim

pale onyx
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ain't no cemeterie that space marines would protect. unless its strageticlly advantage or a saints grave. Unless you count the golden throne as a grave, as it kinda is

rocky gale
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Space Marines would protect any cemetery the author decides they would

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Goals and beliefs vary from chapter to chapter

pale onyx
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Authors gotta stay faithful to the lore tho

celest dome
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A Shrine World that is protected by a SM Chapter wouldn't be weird by any margin

queen laurel
pale onyx
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that's true

rose thorn
pale onyx
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but like civillian grave yards? Morally they wouldn't. even salamanders I'd imagine

queen laurel
pale onyx
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even nobles

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just saints

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true true

rose thorn
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Maybe originally created to combat undead they began sticking to cemetery planets and grew their culture around it

pale onyx
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or protecting space marine graves, that makes sense

rose thorn
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Or enough rich people asked for it

pale onyx
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there is no undead in 40k except nurgles rot right?

rose thorn
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But the warp it self is souls

pale onyx
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did not know titsnitch had demons

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i mean undead

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sorry im tird

rose thorn
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The thousand sons love their undead

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Ghosts mainly

pale onyx
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well all chaos factions use souls which can appear asspectors and what not right

rose thorn
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Yea, also eldar use alot of undead

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And necrons are

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Well

pale onyx
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wait eldar? id expect it fro mdark eldar

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unless u mean spirit stones

tough haven
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Wraithkin

rocky gale
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Eldar literally use ghosts to power/operate things

rocky gale
storm jungle
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Eldar can call the spirits of their dead if they are compliant to fight with them through wraith constructs.

rose thorn
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Or sometimes if the battle is on the craft world than the literal ghosts form

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Or just to vibe

river walrus
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Ulgo used to go inside heretic ship. To clear it out. Not remmember job name

young pecan
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So how come both wood elves in Fantasy and Aeldar in 40K talk about Morai-heg? The deity is about the same thing in both universes so is Fantasy just a planet or are* the universes only connected by warp if at all?

celest dome
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The Elven gods are in both setting, but they are separate, just like how the Chaos gods are in both setting but aren't linked

young pecan
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It's weird because other entities like Ku'gath Plaguefather, which is just a greater daemon rather than a deity, is in both settings as well

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But maybe same god = same daemons

celest dome
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Same deamon but not linked

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The settings used to be linked, but that has since been retconned

young pecan
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Would've been cooler if it stayed that way, even if just by silly Tzeentch or extremely convoluted warp hijinx

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Because he's literally the same exact dude in both settings, just doing different things

storm jungle
# young pecan So how come both wood elves in Fantasy and Aeldar in 40K talk about Morai-heg? T...

The deities were first used in Warhammer Fantasy since it was the richer setting of the two, they just carried it over because may as well + lazy. A great chunk of the Elven deities are not in 40k though since they only got like 5 named ones, with the only original one being Cegorach.

For the daemons being re-used thing its simply so demon players dont have to re-buy an entire range to play in either 40k or Fantasy.

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And again ironically the special daemon characters got more lore and shit to do in WHF, where in 40k they are very much another lazy copy-paste job.

young pecan
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I like the idea of greater daemons/favorites like Ku'gath being sent or going to crucial places

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A shame

storm jungle
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They got different lore so yeah.

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40k ones are lazier.

young pecan
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Appreciate clearing it up, that's a bummer

storm jungle
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Its better tbh.

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Connected universes makes the stakes in Fantasy more lame.

young pecan
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Hm, that is true

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I figured Fantasy was just in its own corner of the universe, far far away from everything that could reach it even via navigator travel

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I saw it mentioned the other day but can't find it looking it up, what is current fantasy lore, AoS and all that? Was end times already recovered from and things are different now?

celest dome
arctic talon
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The current lore is GW fleshing out the past of fantasy

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Specifically the age of 3 emperors

celest dome
arctic talon
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Yeah

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Warhammer fantasy was at that right before midnight state

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For a while

young pecan
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So Age of Sigmar is during End Times/right after

arctic talon
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Way after

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Like thousands of years later

young pecan
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Ohh gotcha

arctic talon
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Like the planet fantasy took place on

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Quite literally blew up

young pecan
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Oh damn LMAO

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Fantasy lore is weird

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And also sad, Skaven winning is not Skaven-pilled

arctic talon
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The only 2 species that really survived intact

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were like

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Lizardmen and Skaven

young pecan
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Lizardmen only survived cuz they went to space KEKW_ogryn

arctic talon
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There was a massive paradigm shift for pretty much everyone else

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yeah

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and the Skaven survived bcs GHR saved them

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And turned skaven blight into its own little

young pecan
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So Skaven just hanging out on the floating rocks left

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GHR?

arctic talon
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pocket realm

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Great horned rat

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The Skaven's god

young pecan
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Oh

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Yes him

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Forget he exists

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Good for the lizardmen

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Wish the slann didn't get nerfed by writers just so Skaven could win but it's fitting that the best race got to escape 🫡

arctic talon
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But AoS has a system more so where

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instead of a single planet

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there's multiple realms that are a finite space

celest dome
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Everyone got nerfed to have Skaven win stuff

arctic talon
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Excluding the realm of chaos

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Which is weird

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yeah the Endtimes was basically Skaven like

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extreme favortism

celest dome
rose thorn
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Ooo we talking about AOS!!!

celest dome
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Need some good AoS video game Guarded

arctic talon
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Someday

rose thorn
young pecan
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Need a good retcon of End Times to come out already

celest dome
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Not really

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AoS is quite good

young pecan
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Scrap everything yesgryn

arctic talon
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they're never gona retcon endtimes

young pecan
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Make AoS still happen somehow

arctic talon
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Unless they want to make a timeline split

green loom
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I mean it's still eons after fantasy

arctic talon
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but GW has shown 0 interest

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In retconning endtimes

green loom
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But either way we've got Old World now

celest dome
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Retconning ET would bring what ?

green loom
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SO

young pecan
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Which is understandable

arctic talon
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I'd rather GW keep endtimes but rewite it

young pecan
arctic talon
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Since there's a lot of badly written stuff in it

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ET fundamentally is fine

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tbh

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Its the execution that sucks

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so hard

young pecan
#

End Times is a good concept

celest dome
#

Forgetting the Avatar of Mork 💀

young pecan
#

I don't think good guys should win all the time

#

But at least make it make sense

arctic talon
rose thorn
#

AoS is basically an apocalypse setting, 90% of humans are in fact chaos

arctic talon
#

AoS is post post apocalypse

#

and then another apocalypse happened

celest dome
celest dome
arctic talon
#

Skaven knife vs mastercrafted dwarf armor

rose thorn
#

You got the rat apocalyps, chaos apocalypse, the ork apocalypse, the chaos apocalypse again

young pecan
#

Even as someone who barely knows anything about the lore except what I gathered from playing Total Warhammer 3, I just kept seeing things when I was reading End Times stuff that made no sense

arctic talon
#

Mfw Nagash almost wiped out all of life in AoS

#

The skaven foiled him again

celest dome
#

I'll be honest, disreguard all lore about ET Skaven and read the rest and it's not bad. The bad things are 90% of the time about Skaven

young pecan
#

Never ask a Skaven how he was born, worst mistake of my life

arctic talon
celest dome
#

Except the part where Queek get killed by strangulation

rose thorn
#

OH YEAF

arctic talon
#

Also queek getting strangled went hard

rose thorn
arctic talon
#

lol

#

Necroquake

#

was meant to kill everything

celest dome
#

Soon Malequake uwugryn

arctic talon
#

The Skaven just made it a huge winds of death explosion instead

rose thorn
#

Only killed like a third

arctic talon
#

And yeah killed like a third of all life

crisp heath
#

The fact that they just called it the "necroquake" goes hard

rose thorn
#

He’s trying to build a necropolis

#

His words

#

Idk what the fuck he plans after he builds that

arctic talon
#

Eternal dominion?

#

idk

celest dome
#

Nagash should have anything he plans ruined
He plan on having a nice breakfast
Steal his orange juice
He plans on taking a walk
Put some pebbles in his shoes

arctic talon
#

Nagash deserves everything unfortunate that happens to him

storm jungle
#

Nagash is a simple villain

#

he just wants to take over the world(s)

#

its why hes great

#

hes just a piece of shit

celest dome
#

Unashamedly vilainous, doesn't try to explain his villeny like some of the other do

arctic talon
#

Actually I wonder couldn't Skaven just launch one of their Doomsphere or doomrockets

#

via Gnawhole

#

assuming they don't kill themselves with said plan

rose thorn
#

They literally physically have to dig the distance

arctic talon
#

Well

#

Guess that makes using them as a method to launch explosives less appealing

rose thorn
#

But they are very effective

arctic talon
#

Well yeah

rose thorn
#

It drained one of shyish’s entire oceans

arctic talon
#

And all the undead in it

rose thorn
#

And the idoneth deep kin too

#

In it

snow cradle
#

So I’m relatively new to the Deep Rock Galactic scene but I’ve heard passing mention that Gw referenced them at some point during the release of Votann? Is this true?

rose thorn
#

Yea

#

The deep rock kin band

storm jungle
#

I don't think GW even knows DRG exists

snow cradle
#

Well it’s hard to avoid deep rock ngl. Easy to find people chanting Rock and Stone everywhere.

storm jungle
#

I mean unless you are into the gaming scene no

snow cradle
#

Huh, I guess it could have been the other way around. Idk.

storm jungle
#

Most people in GW are miniature dudes that don't care about games that much, minis are where their interest begin and end usually.

snow cradle
#

It would be cool if there was a small lore nod to it though

#

Ah well

#

I’ll have to keep digging then

#

No pun intended

arctic talon
#

Which was most likely a refrence

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Aside from that the votaan were in development most likely before drg came out

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Or around the same time

snow cradle
#

Well deep rock is 6 years old

arctic talon
#

Yeah

arctic talon
#

The leagues of votaan are an entire new range

arctic talon
#

From a design perspective they’re pretty visually distinct

snow cradle
#

Been in it since 4th edition

arctic talon
#

Beyond just both being dwarves in space

#

GW is like faster now for concept -> release

#

But they’re still pretty slow

storm jungle
#

that and like

#

DRG doesnt exactly do anything original

#

so any points that crossover is just because the tropes are so much on the surface

arctic talon
#

Neat

#

The leagues as a subversion to the usual dwarf elf relationship like the craftworld eldar lol

storm jungle
#

okay but like

#

"rock and stone" has been a saying for awhile even before deep rock

#

lmao

arctic talon
#

Has it?

storm jungle
#

Yep

#

down to even being said in LOTR

arctic talon
#

Neat

rose thorn
#

No in the votaan codex there’s a blurb of a unit of votaan called the deep rock being attacked by nids

#

Oh it isn’t reply

storm jungle
rose thorn
#

It didnt*

storm jungle
#

show pics

rose thorn
#

I’ll have to fucking pull it up

storm jungle
rose thorn
#

It’s literally 2 sentences

#

The deep rock kindred

#

Page 16 of trh codex

crystal forum
#

you gotta be shitting me

#

they actually snuck that in there

arctic talon
#

Not nids

rose thorn
#

My bad

storm jungle
#

Oh my god

#

maybe there is hope

arctic talon
storm jungle
rose thorn
#

To be fair this is the same company that made an entire model line that’s just a predator rip off

storm jungle
#

lmao true

wintry scarab
#

Is vermintide set in aos or fantasy?

green loom
#

Fantasy

#

Right during the end times

wintry scarab
#

Yeah, alright. Thats what i assumed. Wanted to be sure.

green loom
#

Reason you don't see any response to the big chaos presence is because the entire Reikland army is off in the north dying

gray umbra
#

Malekith was the true phoenix king all along xd

storm jungle
#

💀

snow cradle
green loom
#

I don't know how anyone was surprised
Everyone knows a real king will sleep with his own mother

#

True royalty right there

rocky gale
#

That's my King yesgryn

storm jungle
#

my brain is so rotten from 40k I read that as Sigismund

#

(I know its an IRL name but still)

dusk patrol
orchid lark
#

Sanguinius during Ullanor

#

Sigismund Freud be like
“I dont love my father and his anger at me has not affected me at all.”

rocky gale
storm jungle
median stag
#

Dam I can't send a ss of the 5 videos saved on my YouTube lol

dusk patrol
#

Sadly you can only do Emperor of Humankind

#

Hammer of Dawn is one thats very appropriate I've seen people do to, considering what the ship does.

orchid lark
#

I’m not gonna watch it lmao

#

Finished Cixin Lius Remembrance of Earths Past series and uh

#

Ill not be watching that netflix show either

#

Mostly I dont want to be sadge and have the existential dread about it

young pecan
#

ATL was perfect as is imo, everything had meaning and was executed well. What little I've heard about the adaptation shows they're gutting some of that

orchid lark
#

Its Joever for them

#

But they’re probably gonna post about how well its doing saying shit like millions are watching it, because they put it at the top of their page so itll autoplay or something

crisp heath
#

So if you have strong enough will do you become immune to diseases in 40k?

#

Since nurgles rot seems just as mental as it is physical

orchid lark
#

Typhus once made a plague that is Soundborne

#

As in it was music that infected

#

Theres always a way for Nurgle to get you

#

Corrosives are also in Nurgles domain

#

Since Iron Warriors lost to Death Guard due to literal rusting

plush mason
#

he also made one that targeted an Inquisitor, it infected the world she and a fallen commissar where exiled too but their pride made them immune

#

so he had to break their pride to get them to succumb

median stag
arctic talon
#

The imperium does infighting a good bit

#

But like Chaos is like

#

as the name implies chaotic

#

Legions themselves have infighting, Warbands infight, ect.

median stag
tulip brook
#

Every faction has infighting

#

First of all to justify tabletop mirror matches

#

Chaos has it so much, when they gather forces it's a major event

#

Marines kill each other for funsies in the same warband

orchid lark
#

The only way to be a chaos terminator

#

Is to kill the previous chaos terminator

undone zodiac
#

Only unfeasible ones are craftworld vs craftworld or tyranid mirrors

green loom
#

Tyranid mirror aren't unfeasible tbh

undone zodiac
#

It does sound bit strange

#

Hivemind decides to beat itself across the ass

orchid lark
#

Biomass is Biomass

#

If a splinter fleet is lacking

#

Its all food

undone zodiac
#

Id honestly belive its not fighting the other one to get it

#

Other just submits

green loom
#

Nah, they fight

#

Stronger one gets the biomass

undone zodiac
#

Is there even lore of it

#

I dont genuinely know

#

It just sounds very untyranid

shadow plover
#

Isn't there a hive fleet which specifically specializes in fighting weaker Tyranid hive fleets

#

Hydra?

undone zodiac
#

I think it was not fighting but collecting possible genetic material from the defeated hive fleets

unkempt dove
#

i heard something about when different fleets make contact, they will fight and through it further evolve, and since its still nids winning in the end no biomass is lost

#

and in the end you just end up with a combined larger fleet that's improved

#

but this seems to contradict how like different fleets seem to coordinate

shadow plover
#

Winner is stronger and thus getting even stronger with the excess biomass math 101

unkempt dove
#

like Leviathan leaving behind undigested planets for kronos to replenish its forces

#

but maybe its a unique reliationship for kronos

shadow plover
#

Instances like that are probably because the hive mind needs both specialisations and will keep both in as good as possible state

arctic talon
#

Beil’tan are violently xenophobic

#

Lugnath really doesn’t like anyone who vaguely associates with drukhari harlequins excluded

coarse pumice
arctic talon
#

“They’re one of the good ones” - Craftworld Beil’tan

#

Prolly one of the most inexplicable friendships

undone zodiac
#

Theres other ways to negotiate than fight
Biel-tan :

proven needle
#

Not that I demand realism from the 40k universe, but the biomass thing really irks me. If tyranids consume one hundred 'gants, you can at most create maybe sixty new 'gants from that. So tyranids infighting should actually be hugely wasteful. And I doubt the hive mind learns new tricks by fighting itself that would justify the waste.

shadow plover
#

It's not purely just raw material that is transferred, but knowledge as well

#

The other hive has encountered different things and thus consumed different things so it has more information available to it than the other hive alone would

orchid lark
#

100 gants, for 60 smarter ones

#

Ill take that deal

storm jungle
#

Yeah its not that unfeasible.

#

Especially since the Tyranids share a collective mindset

storm jungle
# arctic talon Beil’tan are violently xenophobic

Okay but like the thing is they aren't xenophobic to other Eldar. Theres a reason a craftworld attacking another craftworld has basically happened amost never in the lore because even the most strict ones are not hostile to other eldar.

#

They are definitely the only faction you REALLY need to stretch for an explanation on why they are fighting lul

queen laurel
storm jungle
#

Yeah its mostly due to the fact that they are one of the few factions that will actually try to talk things out first lol

queen laurel
#

Or any faction

orchid lark
#

Eldars truly are the good guys

storm jungle
#

Anyway unrelated

#

heres what good guys look like

celest dome
queen laurel
# storm jungle

Time to post this in a sub reddit and have the post titles this is one of the reasons why the imperium is not a good guy to collect anger for the blood god

orchid lark
storm jungle
#

Very based I know

orchid lark
#

I wish I could get judged and killed

storm jungle
queen laurel
orchid lark
#

I’ll immediately go to a ganger and ask if they were born ugly or a mutant straight up

green loom
#

With their logic, the entire chapter must be corrupt smarf

dusk patrol
#

The real crime is the color scheme

storm jungle
#

I mean

#

its Dark Angels

#

do you expect any taste from the Weed Chapter

dusk patrol
#

Dark Angels mostly look fine, that shit though.

#

It’s very “we featured a dudes hombrew and they will never appear again”

storm jungle
dusk patrol
#

I almost respect the penitent blades dude for being willing to submit that shit

#

Jfc

#

Fucking rainbow sherbet chapter

#

The rest are mostly fine though

storm jungle
#

They are pretty run of the mill yeah

dusk patrol
#

I like the Wardens and Absolvers schemes

#

Although like fuck at least draw him with a cowl

#

I get they have a basic template they use but come on

green loom
#

Draw him with cow

coarse pumice
#

Prime Absolvers logo SussyStomper

storm jungle
#

BRUH

green loom
#

Bit of an oxymoron there

dusk patrol
#

Well the “ “ is kinda hard to say

#

Or arguably easy to say I guess

green loom
#

Azrael should've chopped the CM's head off for suggesting it

orchid lark
#

I see nothing but peak from those 6 chapters

dusk patrol
tulip brook
#

He didn't read more than first 2 letters

#

"Un" is enough for his approval

orchid lark
#

Its pronounced “you-na-med”

tulip brook
#

Can't be bothered with remembering names, all of them are unforgiven

pine wedge
shadow plover
#

I wish the DA successors had better colour schemes, wanting to do a DA army but none of the chapter colours really hit it for me

spring cairn
rocky gale
#

I've watched the first 3 episodes it's not terrible so far, better than the movie and there's changes some good, some bad and some that are kinda worrying.

proven needle
orchid lark
shadow plover
#

not really a fan of metallic colours for marines

#

or they can look nice but painting them is a bore

crystal forum
#

how do tau lasguns work

green loom
#

Like Lasguns

crystal forum
#

i mean pulse rifles

#

are they like wayyy better than lasguns

coarse pumice
#

Magic

storm jungle
rose thorn
#

Girl crush frfr

crystal forum
#

so do tau work like guardsmen where they get like hundreds of people with pulse rifles to shoot stuff

queen laurel
rose thorn
queen laurel
rose thorn
queen laurel
rose thorn
#

shame it’s only really a pet unit

#

But AOS is all about pet units

queen laurel
crystal forum
#

damn reading about tau i never thought about how they probably view humanity as humans view the eldar

rose thorn
#

I have no doubt people lose Prussian vampires

#

Love*

queen laurel
rose thorn
#

All of soulblight really does

queen laurel
rose thorn
#

Or was it blood

queen laurel
rose thorn
#

Oh fr

storm jungle
#

it gives a pretty good breakdown

#

they more or less fight very much like modern armies for the most part

crystal forum
#

yeah im reading it

#

actually i'm switching to the old one hundred now

#

because that's really cool lore

#

weak and female

#

i find the wording funny

#

i wonder what the oldest imperial regiment is

rose thorn
queen laurel
#

i literally know nothing else about all of the other factions

rose thorn
#

tbh dewath ius probably mt favorite alliance

#

death

queen laurel
#

i like destroying stuff with as much violence as possible

#

they also find the perfect blend for my liking of models brutal and also hilarious

rose thorn
#

its one of teh ebst factions in underworlds, the best allies in warcry, and contains half of the fun in aos

#

its so gereat

#

it is like THE gloom spite model

storm jungle
queen laurel
rose thorn
#

also i have never seen a sons of behemoth army tbh

crystal forum
#

so tau don't have psykers

#

or navigators

#

so what do they do with human psykers

queen laurel
#

you can feel the limited number of them but each one hits like a truck getting propelled by a rocket

crystal forum
#

and why dont tau try to capture human astropaths

storm jungle
#

They got no need for astropaths

#

they just communicate long-range like

#

you know

#

normal people

#

lmao

#

You should remember that literally every shit the Imperium does is archaic or unnecessarily goofy/grimdark

queen laurel
#

and find uses for it

storm jungle
#

Bruh moment

storm jungle
# crystal forum so what do they do with human psykers

I can't actually recall anything beyond Crisis of Faith talking about human psykers (they're used as advisors in psychic/Warp related matters, along with the other psy-sensitive species of the Greater Good). In terms of general policy and dealing with the far more potent/destructive nature of human psykers, though, I don't think much if anything has been written. It's just kinda handwaved, they do study some at blacksites too but thats about it.

versed ledge
#

A question about the daemonculaba, are the gestation subjects lobotomized or still cognitively active?

#

Reason for question

queen laurel
#

umm well

#

shit

versed ledge
#

Because reality is taking some notes

crystal forum
#

seems like a pretty important aspect of 40k that's just ignored

#

in beginning to see why some people think tau don't belong in 40k

#

it's like they have a bunch of special lore conditions that simplify them

storm jungle
crystal forum
#

it's a bad take but i get where it's coming from

storm jungle
#

Its really not that important of a thing so i dont see it myself.

#

Tau basically got nothing to do with psyker stuff.

#

so i dont exactly blame the authors for not exploring it lol

crystal forum
#

the psyker stuff in 40k is like one of the main things that keeps the setting tied to fantasy

storm jungle
#

Not really

#

Psychic stuff is in lots of sci-fi media

crystal forum
#

that's true

storm jungle
#

what keeps 40k fantasy is orks, elves, daemons and other stuff

#

also religious stuff i guess lol

arctic talon
#

Tbf the magic system of 40k is like

#

A full blown magic system

#

Unlike some other settings that try to explain it away

crystal forum
#

i don't agree. these races are so used in media that they could be anything from fantasy to modern day realism

#

you could have dwarves just walking around being normal

storm jungle
#

What other setting has space orks

crystal forum
#

the magic is what gives it a fantasy element imo

arctic talon
storm jungle
#

yeah magic has nothing to do with 40k being fantasy

#

it has so many fantasy elements that isnt just that

arctic talon
#

Starfinder? Vaguely?

storm jungle
arctic talon
#

But that’s fantasy in space

crystal forum
#

orks are so specific to 40k though

storm jungle
#

I mean they are literally orcs

#

green skinned, long ears, barbarians, etc

#

lol

arctic talon
storm jungle
#

they arent orks

#

they are MONKE

crystal forum
#

they act nothing like the fantasy orcs i can think of

storm jungle
#

how

queen laurel
crystal forum
#

the whole tech thing and waaag

arctic talon
storm jungle
#

I mean so? They literally act like orks

arctic talon
#

And they act like archetypical orks

queen laurel
storm jungle
#

roaming band of barbarians that want to kill/destroy

#

thats like THE epitome of orks

queen laurel
storm jungle
#

and what tolkien made them as

crystal forum
#

i thought orcs in fantasy are usually servient creatures to magic people

storm jungle
#

No???

arctic talon
#

Not really?

crystal forum
#

what am i thinking of then

queen laurel
#

Most of the times it's the World of Warcraft approach

crystal forum
#

the guys in lord of the rings

#

what are they

queen laurel
#

Barbarians that crush anything in their path

queen laurel
#

Twisted into a ugly image by magic to serve the armies of the dark Lord

crystal forum
#

ah ok

storm jungle
#

The way orks got made in LOTR is also pretty fucked lol

queen laurel
#

we're talking the basic green muscular orcs

storm jungle
#

also yeah that

#

other fantasy IPs in general very much generalized orks, elves and dwarves

#

and took more or less bulletpoints from tolkien wholesale

#

"Uhh warlike species, elegant species, digging species, got it"

crystal forum
#

just seems wrong to me to define fantasy by these races

#

like what is chinese fantasy like if there's no elves or orks

arctic talon
#

There’s fantasy settings without them

#

It’s just for western fantasy

versed ledge
arctic talon
#

Those 3 are like usually around

storm jungle
arctic talon
#

With few exceptions

storm jungle
#

lol

versed ledge
#

Because humanity fits all of the above

queen laurel
storm jungle
#

During 40k's birthplace which is Rogue Trader had all 3 of these races along with daemons, 40k was referred to as "fantasy in space" because of it.

#

Psychic stuff was almost non-existent at this stage

#

its really not that deep

storm jungle
#

nah

#

other people do it too

#

easier spelling

crystal forum
#

suuuure

queen laurel
storm jungle
#

how about you uh you know

crystal forum
#

i think that's what makes 40k special in a way. it's still space fantasy

#

space marines are still knights in armour

queen laurel
storm jungle
#

40k basically has stolen something from every genre, thats what makes it special

#

its a kitchen sink setting

#

lol

arctic talon
#

And it’s a good kitchen sink

queen laurel
arctic talon
#

Unlike some other kitchen sink settings that have died as they lived

#

Forgotten

queen laurel
#

Sometimes they leave it to rot

green loom
arctic talon
#

Lol

green loom
#

See: every genius who writes "Emporer"

queen laurel
storm jungle
#

Emparor

arctic talon
#

Emprah

storm jungle
#

Necrons are a good example of this

queen laurel
#

to be fair Ork has that charm that is more easier say and even love compared to Orc

storm jungle
#

they got revamped 3 times across 3 decades before landing where they are now

queen laurel
#

I don't know there's just something very fun about changing the C to K

storm jungle
#

if they didnt they'd have been some random robot race nobody cares about

storm jungle
#

we use "c" as "k" in many works

queen laurel
storm jungle
green loom
storm jungle
#

Nah

#

like "Ironic" in turkish is literally "İronik" lol

green loom
#

I'm making a joke that you'd equate Serbs to orks

storm jungle
#

SHUT UP

green loom
crystal forum
#

it's funny how tolken made stuff like elves and dwarves a mainstay in the western world when it's such a localized british thing

storm jungle
#

They are from european folklore/myth mostly.

crystal forum
#

mostly celtic no?

storm jungle
#

Ehhhh kinda but not also no

#

His inspiration sphere is mostly around europe/england/nordic

#

Its important to remember he was literally doing this as a fun hobby/creating for the sake of creating

#

so the stuff he got inspired by is a long list

queen laurel
crystal forum
#

still it's just something that came from an english language approach

#

and it's weird how it probably doesn't translate well to languages that are super different from western ones

storm jungle
#

Well yeah because hes british

#

lmao

storm jungle
#

^

#

he also actively argued with british langauge-people for half the shit he was writing too.

#

him fighting for "dwarves" to be a word is one example

crystal forum
#

that's what i mean. he redefined english and those aspects are lost in translation

queen laurel
#

Orks having derogative speaking and being based on the british always fills me with joy

storm jungle
#

i read the books in turkish, it all comes across well

crystal forum
#

what i'm trying to say is it's like reading poetry in a native language vs a translation

storm jungle
#

You can say that about any literature though.

crystal forum
#

i think it's very prominent in tolkien's work

storm jungle
#

If you translate a 40k book into Turkish for example a lot of stuff also can get lost.

#

especially with so much made up words

crystal forum
#

GW literally doesn't even bother translating some stuff it's funny

#

some names are unpronounceable in french and they just leave it as is

storm jungle
#

Its the trouble i faced making the turkish subs for the darktide trailer lol

#

I asked one of the devs here and they allowed it KEKW_ogryn

queen laurel
storm jungle
#

^

crystal forum
#

honestly i think it's because GW's doesnt want to spend the time to copyright words in other languages

#

i have no idea how they even sell their stuff in my province

storm jungle
#

as long as you keep the word in its original written format you keep its copyright i think

#

theres no point in translating shit like "Administratum"

crystal forum
#

our language laws are so strict that KFC the restaurant had to create a french way of saying the name even though it does this literally nowhere else

arctic talon
#

Guh

crystal forum
#

it's quite funny seeing large companies forced to give a slight shit