40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

Also remember like

orks are EXTREMELY racist

[tough haven]

Fair enough

[storm jungle]

lmao

[dusk patrol]

Ghaz also like, understands the meta of how Orks work

He knows to fight strong enemies to grow but not take stupid fights

He doesn’t pursue any fight

[green loom]

He also literally plays with his food

[spring cairn]

modelled on the british to perfection

[dusk patrol]

Which is why he didn’t let Yarrick and Helbrecht catch him

[tough haven]

Yeah and thats what makes him an interesting character

and terrifying

an ork that has the capacity of metacognition

[crisp heath]

I just really like that Ghaz has depression

[dusk patrol]

He read the codex description

[crisp heath]

I like the idea that any ork who becomes smart also becomes miserable

[storm jungle]

no

[tough haven]

Yeah its also a good way to explain the ork psychic gestalt to people that think you can just do anything

[tough haven]

I mean, he still loves his holy mission

he's just capable of doubt and self sabotage

he just isnt as mindlessly gleeful as other orks

[dusk patrol]

I bet you he would suck at Helldivers 2 though

[spring cairn]

orks in hd2 next update

[crisp heath]

What the fuck is a helldiver 2

[green loom]

Squids are probably next

[spring cairn]

best game released this year i'd say

so far

[green loom]

It's so good the servers can't keep up

[spring cairn]

devs are being harrassed online because their backend wasn't designed to sustain 400k players

rip

https://tenor.com/view/dj-khaled-suffering-from-success-this-so-cute-what-a-lovely-morning-oh-ma-gad-gif-11233135040670052230

[arctic talon]

Mfw the game that had only 6k players peak now has almost 70x the player count

And the 400k is steam players only

[spring cairn]

i mean to be entirely fair

[arctic talon]

It’s prolly more like 100x their peak player count

Of the first game

[celest dome]

Helldiver 1 ?

[spring cairn]

this could've been anticipated

[arctic talon]

Logically speaking it’s insane the game exploded

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[spring cairn]

because they had TONS of pre-orders

[arctic talon]

Game peaked 6k on steam

[arctic talon]

Okay but I didn’t think they expected to have to scale it up this much

They’ve like

Shattered player counts lol

[spring cairn]

they just didn't know it would get this huge this fast i think

[green loom]

It's beating the most played games on steam

[celest dome]

I mean it's not that surprising, they went from a niche game play type to the biggest gameplay type

[green loom]

Destiny never hit this many concurrent players

[arctic talon]

They knew it was gona be bigger

[spring cairn]

not this fast

[arctic talon]

But I don’t think they expected it to be potentially 100x bigger

Like

400k is steam alone

[green loom]

No you don't get it lambda

[arctic talon]

There’s prolly more on PS5

[green loom]

It's one of the most played games currently

[spring cairn]

it like, peaked at 300k players and the day after peaked at 400k players

[arctic talon]

Like this is a nightmare scenario

For the devs lol

It’s both a nightmare and blessing

[tough haven]

This was the quote I was thinking of

[spring cairn]

sony isn't helping

[tough haven]

“I suppose it helped that Yarrick was a bit like an ork, although I doubt he ever thought of it like that. He even had a klaw just like Ghazghkull’s. And it was so big on that puny body of his that it should’ve toppled him right over. But it didn’t, ’cos he didn’t want it to. And that was more orky than the klaw itself.”

Of their perception of him

[spring cairn]

they made a free week end for playstaion players last week end

not very smart

[arctic talon]

Those poor devs

[tough haven]

Please owlcat, just let me have my blood axe ork companion

[spring cairn]

biggest issue with hd2 isn't even the busted backend anyway

it's the anti-cheat

but game so good everyone forgot

but i didn't

https://tenor.com/view/creepy-hamster-stare-watching-you-cute-gif-17721600

[pine wedge]

their launch numbers dont compare to how massively it blew up post-launch

they initially peaked at 60k concurrent

and then clips from the game went viral on social media

and they quadrupled that number within a week

[green loom]

And that's only on steam too lol

[pine wedge]

lol ye playstation is apparently another 300k concurrent

before they capped the servers anyway

[spring cairn]

sony's genius idea didn't help

[arctic talon]

The anti cheat sucks

[spring cairn]

(it was probably planned in advance but still)

[arctic talon]

It does nothing

[spring cairn]

it does something

[green loom]

Except spy on you lol

[spring cairn]

50% chance it bricks ur pc

[pine wedge]

such an aggressive anticheat in a pve game is funny to me anyway

darktide is just vibing without one and doing just fine

[arctic talon]

Yeah

It doesn’t even work either lol

[green loom]

I figure it has to do with the vanity galactic war stuff

Like other ships showing up above worlds

[arctic talon]

At least valorant’s anti cheat has the decency to shank cheaters

Mid game

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-birds-gif-12007401521632546156

If I roll double 6 I brick your pc - Arrowhead

[arctic talon]

Lol

I still think Darktide is very fun

Tbh

HD2 also has really bad balancing rn

At higher difficulties

[green loom]

Both games are fun

But Darktide is a 40k game

Thus subjected to the bitchiest fanbase in recent history

[arctic talon]

Lmao

Crafting still makes me want to die

In this game

[green loom]

Not sure how long they worked on HD2 either but HD1 released in 2015 so probably a while longer than Fatshark

[spring cairn]

hd2 got away because you can grind the prenium currency

that's literrally the only reason

if that was not the case

it would've been different

[pine wedge]

I read it took them 7 years

DT was developed in 3 years by comparison, and a large chunk of that was mid-covid

[arctic talon]

Literally harder to get samples then premium currency

[green loom]

Personally I'd strangle most of the loud VT2 vets I've met so this doesn't really change my views

[arctic talon]

Also the entire premium warbonds weapons selection sucks

Which is hilarious

[pine wedge]

banned for threatening violence

[green loom]

[pine wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/bane-no-banned-and-you-are-explode-gif-16047504

[green loom]

But really I found playing Vt2 miserable lol

[rocky gale]

The anticheat is aggressive because they're doing it like a shifting story, where player results guide what happens in game with Game Masters who change things depending on those results. So like the Defence of a world might be failing, but if the players overwhelmingly win counterattacks on another world that leads to the Defending world the GM's could rule that they've disrupted the supply lines for the invasion and the Defence succeeds. So they don't want the player stats to be messed with by cheaters.

[green loom]

Rush zealots were annoying but at least I could sorta deal with it unlike a funny slayer bardin who sprinted half the map while I got killed in the first encounter

[pine wedge]

makes sense, very cool. thanks for the explanation

[spring cairn]

i mean i know why they did it

[pine wedge]

the more I learn about HD2 the more I'm convinced to buy it lol

but I'll wait out the current server issues first

[spring cairn]

doesn't change the fact that it bricked some people's pc

[dusk patrol]

A lot

But tbh

They’re different games

[arctic talon]

^

[dusk patrol]

The main thing would be the hub stuff

[arctic talon]

They play very differently

[green loom]

What could minecraft learn from league of legends

[dusk patrol]

Like how crafting works and cosmetics and stuff

[arctic talon]

Give us reds fatshark

You can constantly upgrade the “hub” area in helldivers 2 for better stats on dtuff

[pine wedge]

hub/progression seems to be the big one. darktide would improve a lot by ditching or smoothing over the crafting bullshit and focusing on just unlocking new things for Fun(TM) instead of Retention(TM)

[spring cairn]

dt just needs more content

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[spring cairn]

and crafting changes

[arctic talon]

Give me reds fatshark

I don’t want to sit at brunt

Waiting

[pine wedge]

spamming 150 greys from a weapon in the hopes that 3 good bases will roll and hadron doesn't brick 1 of them is the COMPLETE ANTITHESIS to how the imperium treats its weapons in the lore

it's so karked

[dusk patrol]

Yeah my thing with DT is I don’t need the carrot of farming for better weapons

I played most of my time in VT with optimal reds

I just want the good shit so I can have fun with builds

[spring cairn]

sadly some people need a reward for everything they do in video games

[pine wedge]

my enjoyment of the game has gone UP since I finished crafting stuff on my 3 characters, and I am so apprehensive to go through that process again that my psyker languishes unfinished at lvl 22

[dusk patrol]

Granted the player base probably doesn’t reflect this idk but it’s my main issue

[arctic talon]

I just want good stats on the gear I’m using tbh

[dusk patrol]

And yeah leveling up 4 dudes

[arctic talon]

Once I get what’s “good”

[dusk patrol]

Fuck me

[arctic talon]

I’ll just keep on using it

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[spring cairn]

if you have lot's of mats at ur disposal do it

it's actually not that bad

[pine wedge]

not that many. 3mil dockets and 13k plasteel atm

[dusk patrol]

Helldivers once you get to level 20 with a few exceptions you’ll probably have damn near the best gear

[spring cairn]

i'm making a new vet and i know i'll manage his weapons fine since i have 50k plasteel

[pine wedge]

I still throw bases at hadron every so often just to see what happens

[dusk patrol]

Just a matter of upgrading your ship and getting some of the medal weapons

[arctic talon]

Helldivers issue is that 90% of the gear sucks lol

[pine wedge]

so my hoard isn't massive

[arctic talon]

Like

[dusk patrol]

Most of which aren’t even the best

[green loom]

Also

The armour

[arctic talon]

Or rather

[green loom]

Doesn't work

[arctic talon]

Most of the guns suck

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

The move speed bonus works lol

[dusk patrol]

They need to rebalance a lot of the guns

[arctic talon]

You literally just use the beaker or the slugger

[pine wedge]

I also blew through absolutely unhinged amounts of mats after the traitor curse patch

[arctic talon]

Or the smg

[spring cairn]

armor only affect speeds atm sadly

[arctic talon]

Literally nothing else

[pine wedge]

crafting the 10 new marks

lol

[dusk patrol]

There’s definitely a fair amount of issues but it mostly works so I’m happy

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[dusk patrol]

I just need my auto cannon anyways

[green loom]

Helldivers has amazing vibes but there's glaring balance issues and bugs

[arctic talon]

Meh

The balance issue I’m sure they’ll fix

Same with bugs

[green loom]

Yeah

[dusk patrol]

Well yeah there’s bugs

[arctic talon]

Lol

[dusk patrol]

You need something to shoot

Smh

[green loom]

Have you heard the

Automatons chanting

[arctic talon]

Yes

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/bug-bugs-dead-bug-starship-troopers-gif-18387462

[arctic talon]

The automatons just seem objectively evil lol

[spring cairn]

when you playtesting again

[arctic talon]

Unlike the cyborgs

[spring cairn]

fs hasn't let u in yet on their new stuff yet

[arctic talon]

In Helldivers 1

[pine wedge]

who says I haven't been playtesting already

[spring cairn]

you

you say it

[spare osprey]

True there

[pine wedge]

I don't

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/helldivers-epic-homies-gif-14260810489516145005

[spring cairn]

so you haven't

[arctic talon]

The illuminate will be funny

I have 0 clue

[pine wedge]

that's NDA lol

can't tell you either way

[arctic talon]

How they’ll translate to 3d

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/X5SriuojRA8?si=oVB6XKW-Zj9yIt66

[spring cairn]

They didn't mention me in the NDA

[dusk patrol]

Damn commies

[pine wedge]

they named you specifically

[spring cairn]

They know

[pine wedge]

"don't tell this lambdacore mfer anything"

[spring cairn]

automatons go hard

[arctic talon]

Automatons are fun to fight

Bugs boring

Also it’s so hard to stop a bug breach from occurring

[green loom]

I'm hearing stuff that they're probably still people

[arctic talon]

Compared to a bot drop

[pine wedge]

the automatons being much harder to fight than the bugs for narrative reasons, leading to memes of robot vietnam, is a masterstroke

imo

[arctic talon]

The cyborgs going full machine would be crazy

Because they didn’t mount skulls everywhere

[spring cairn]

they probably originate from people

[arctic talon]

Also it doesn’t look like the automatons take prisoners

The cyborgs did

[rose thorn]

Going to obliterate my self space marines are the hardest shit to write

[arctic talon]

Which is

[green loom]

The narrative is like

[arctic talon]

Really interesting

[green loom]

100 years in the future yeah?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[spring cairn]

yeah but remember

the cyborg's world is occupied

[arctic talon]

Wait is it?

[spring cairn]

by super earth

[pine wedge]

just make them nuanced and psychologically interesting depictions of transhumanist problems and pathologies no biggie ez clap

[arctic talon]

Oh it is in this game

Yeah you’re right

The automatons seem to be something new

[rose thorn]

I’m trying to make my own chapter and I’m like dying

[arctic talon]

Just very similar to the cyborgs

[spring cairn]

people have theorized, automatons are here to free their creators

[arctic talon]

That

[green loom]

Breakaway faction?

[pine wedge]

tell me about them

[arctic talon]

Would be interesting

[dusk patrol]

I’m here to free the automatons

[arctic talon]

Still doesn’t make sense why they uh

[dusk patrol]

From this plane of existence

[spring cairn]

they share the same insigna

[arctic talon]

Mount skulls everywhere

Lol

[rose thorn]

The gone through like 5 ideas and dropped them

[arctic talon]

It’s different isn’t it?

By a little bit

[spring cairn]

i don't think so

or very little

[rose thorn]

I only have a color scheme

[arctic talon]

BRB

[pine wedge]

what's your favorite legion

let's start there

[green loom]

Apparently sometimes you can find the automaton icon faded

[rose thorn]

Ultra marines

[green loom]

And the cyborg icon is below it

[pine wedge]

okay np we can work with that

do you prefer orthdox ultramarines or the ones that think outside of the box

[spring cairn]

i think it's probably the cyborg that ditched all their biological humanity

[pine wedge]

are you a titus or a leandros

[spring cairn]

prolly just that

[arctic talon]

Oh it is the same

The automaton one is just

Less angular

[pine wedge]

shut up we're talking 40k lore now. helldivers chat is now banned while we use this channel for its actual purpose

[rose thorn]

I like both tbh, I like the politics and the complete mental illness successors

[green loom]

Titus and Leandros are bad examples of ultramarines

[spring cairn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/802621720262606888.gif?v=1

[green loom]

They should both be shot

[arctic talon]

Drinking blood is pretty cool

[rose thorn]

Based af

Literally once I finish the first sentence

[pine wedge]

let's harken back to the roman empire proper and combine both. politics and bizarre religious rituals in one society

[rose thorn]

I can do everything else

Just the first sentence of my chapter is the hardest part

[spring cairn]

helldiver lore is like 40k's, because most newcomers who started with 2 don't understand super earth is evil

[storm jungle]

Late but basically nothing. Darktide is mostly a great game.

The issue is more towards Fatshark's complete lack of communication, crafting and some other stuff like cosmetics and so on.

[pine wedge]

what's the colour scheme?

[arctic talon]

Managed democracy, make the right choice

[green loom]

Breaking news
the average idiot is incredibly susceptible to propaganda(The game's marketing)

[rose thorn]

Pretty vanilla but pretty good

[pine wedge]

tasteful, I like it

[rose thorn]

My friend made it

[storm jungle]

DEMOCRACY!!!111!!

[arctic talon]

Tbh the bugs are like actually evil

But they’re animals so

Meh

[spring cairn]

,nope

[storm jungle]

I mean idk

[spring cairn]

they're sentient

according to lore

[arctic talon]

Oh

I forgor

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

Yeah nvm

[green loom]

Also

[storm jungle]

WHOOPS

[green loom]

Aren't the terminids the result of Super Earth testing as well

[arctic talon]

I feel bad for the illuminate

Lol

[rocky gale]

The bugs were like actively enslaved and genetically experimented on by Super Earth if I remember rightly

[arctic talon]

They got more dangerous because of modifications made

[spring cairn]

they just fester in some places because super earth tried to farm them

[dusk patrol]

I’d feel worse if they weren’t so fucking annoying to fight

Since they are

[arctic talon]

Mfw imagine going to a planet telling them we come in peace

[pine wedge]

makes me think of a roman frontier legion holding the line against barbarians at the edge of the empire. hadrian's wall type beat. ultramarine successor chapter at the very edge of the ultramar domain, holding some kind of tenuously defended frontier region of space?

[arctic talon]

And then the planet mugs you

And takes your stuff

[pine wedge]

a bulwark chapter?

[green loom]

Mine are called the Bulwark

[spring cairn]

(they decompose into oil)

[dusk patrol]

There’s a lot of chapters on the fringes and which were stationed near the eye

[green loom]

Not to be confused with the Great Bulwark from hit persistent war game Foxhole

[rocky gale]

What did you use to make this?

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/oil-gif-21278310

[dusk patrol]

Everyone does that smh

[rocky gale]

I always see people with these for their custom chapters and wondered if it's an App or something

[green loom]

I'll decompose you into oil

[pine wedge]

distance from ultramar can explain and idiosyncratic blend of devotion to the codex along with strange quirks and chapter rituals born from isolation and self-reliance

[rose thorn]

Maybe, I’m not a Roman nut but I do like the idea of a chapter who’s ultramar’s scouts

[spring cairn]

they do it very very fast

[rose thorn]

Yeeee

Not so it’s

[spring cairn]

like very

[rose thorn]

Not scouts*

[arctic talon]

Are the bugs all the same species?

[rose thorn]

I forgot what the custodies who travel the galaxy called them selves

[arctic talon]

They seem to have a lot of genetic variation

[rose thorn]

They had a name

[storm jungle]

Aquilan Shield

[pine wedge]

oh yeah the uhhhhh

them.

[rose thorn]

Thank you

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

But not terribly written

[spring cairn]

i guess they just live in colonnies and individuals hyper specialise

[arctic talon]

Are they badly written?

[rose thorn]

Okay more like annoyingly written

[green loom]

Anyone want to hear about my Italian Falschirmjager inspired regiment

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

[green loom]

What

[rocky gale]

Did the Italians have Falschirmjager?

[green loom]

No

[spring cairn]

don't ask old school steel legion players what symbols they painted on their tanks

[green loom]

Well they had paratroops

[arctic talon]

[pine wedge]

okay so we have a sorta frontier space ultramarines successor chapter that function as a scouting or first-line-of-defense force on the edge of the ultramar domain. next step is a name

[spring cairn]

the scouts

[rose thorn]

First watch? Ultra Watch? Eyes of Ultramar?

[storm jungle]

I do love how a lightning in a cog is also the symbol of the British Union of Fascists

[green loom]

You can have them be from an agri world
Where they use scythes
Like some Scythes of the Emperor

[storm jungle]

...

die

[green loom]

Okay okay I kid

[green loom]

First Watch sounds cool

[rose thorn]

To be completely fair, death watch used scythes pre hh

[spring cairn]

no no no no no, it just means they're motorised infantry and go lighting fast, surely

[rose thorn]

Hi mean

I@mean

Fuckinh

Death gaurd

Not death watch

[arctic talon]

The symbol for skitarii

[rocky gale]

Minor lore mistake, instant death penalty

[pine wedge]

The First Watch has a good ring to it, yeah

[green loom]

[rose thorn]

There’s a chapter called the Night Watch who patrol the eye of terror

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/a/a3/Legiones_Skitarii_Icon.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20150421231910

[storm jungle]

damn, how original

[rose thorn]

So it kinda matches the theme

[arctic talon]

Simplified version

[pine wedge]

chapter symbol could be a pair of eyes with a laurel wreath above them? like a very abstract / stylized depiction of the stern gaze of Guilliman

[wintry scarab]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95JVy76qKmg#

[green loom]

II simply want to use the moustaches

[rose thorn]

Ooo yeah

[spring cairn]

you can get away with using ranks from anywhere

most people will not recognize them

[pine wedge]

you could write a kinship between them and the Novamarines, who are also an Ultramarine successor chapter stationed far from Ultramar itself iirc

[green loom]

I want to use those and this vest the Italians had

Apparently it's called a "Samurai" vest or something

Issued to Submachinegunners

[spring cairn]

it holds magazines

it's a proto-tactical rig

[green loom]

Ye ik

It looks p cool

[pine wedge]

because it looks like old japanese armor maybe?

[spring cairn]

that wouldn't translate very well for holding laspacks

[dusk patrol]

It obviously worked out great for them

[green loom]

[rose thorn]

Omfg my chapter’s color scheme is a swap of the night watch

[green loom]

I could repurpose it as actual armour lol

[spring cairn]

oh

[rose thorn]

That’s pretty funny

[pine wedge]

tbf yours is like stone grey, not black

[spring cairn]

it would look cool i guess

[green loom]

But also I could make it work for laspacks

[spring cairn]

but not very functional

[green loom]

Like it's just the inspiration

Not 1 to 1

[spring cairn]

i like darktide's laspack tactical rig

the one for the cadian set

[green loom]

I'm not like some wehraboo krieg fan who'll just import the Wehrmacht into 40k

[rose thorn]

let me write a paragraoh

[green loom]

I wonder if I can make thin laspacks work

[arctic talon]

Prolly

[green loom]

Oh god

Oh god I found something awful

[wintry scarab]

I remember learning my chapter was basically a 1 to 1 with the iron snakes. Depressing. I remember thinking i was unique.

[plush mason]

ngl its impressive just how real that looks. like i can fully believe that is how they clean the vehicles in 40k

just some initiates of the admech with powerwashers and a few servetors to support them

[thick cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95JVy76qKmg

[plush mason]

they really did

[earnest snow]

Purge the unclean

Power wash the filth

[storm jungle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1198285352541098034/1209206928505311292/image.png_V29.gif

[green loom]

Dilara I found something horrible

[dusk patrol]

Please don’t post your face again

[storm jungle]

💀

DAMN

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/imsorry-ididnt-meanto-meantthat-happygilmore-gif-19733890

[green loom]

It'd hurt if I didn't hate myself anyway

[storm jungle]

God I hate Firecaste

[spring cairn]

Arkhan the black is a confederate

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wtf-oh-hell-nah-gif-4183712492046775434

[green loom]

This is a homebrew

[dusk patrol]

Not gonna touch that

[green loom]

The lore for it is a lot worse

[dusk patrol]

They’re real

Idk about the banner

[green loom]

Yeah ik

[dusk patrol]

But they are a real thing

[green loom]

But this is from a homebrew page

[storm jungle]

Yeah they are real

the banner is fanmade

but like lmao

[green loom]

Like I was looking up the actual one right

And saw this

In it read that

Quote

"The Union went too far"

[storm jungle]

💀

[rocky gale]

The banner is mentioned in the lexicanum but not depicted, although the person who made the fanon banner made it wrong.

[green loom]

[rocky gale]

I assume because they literally just colour swapped the Confederate flag and stuck a Skull over the middle which blocked three of the stars

Leaving 10 rather than the 7 that there should be

[rose thorn]

very very very first most basic sum up of my cahpter

The First watch was created after the tyrannic war; they patrol the very edges of the Ultramar domain and act as the first defenders of Mcragge. After the 13th crusade they believe the strongest way to defend Mcragge is to be on the offensive and half of the chapter left while the other half stayed to remain on the patrol.

idk if the entire chapter should leave or if hallf

maybe the whole chapter leaves their patrol

shiot this is hard

maybe just do liek 2 companies at a time

[crystal forum]

make the "leave" chapter be stuck on the other side of the great rift so you can do stories about both sides

[rose thorn]

actuallly thats really good idea

[crystal forum]

and like their goal is to reunite or something

[rose thorn]

YEee

which black crusade attacked mcragge again?

[green loom]

13th?

yeah 13th

[rose thorn]

damn

i jsut need a good reason for half the chapter to get stuck on teh other side of the great rift

[crystal forum]

do you? just invent a reason

there's so many reasons why a nomadic space marine chapter would be on the other side before the rift happened

maybe they were called by an inquisitor, maybe they were recovering a chapter artifact, maybe they were just there doing nothing

[celest dome]

Have 1 half of the chapter be the main Fleet, and the other be based on their homeworld

[rose thorn]

ey athats what i was thinking

it would be funny if most of the chapter went to help during the 13th crusade then accidentally got stuck on the optherisde

thent ehir home world gets detrosyed

Maybe not even destroyed just they don’t know if it’s okay

[dusky scroll]

If Emperor returns, will it destroy the charm of 40k's lore ?
I was told that some people didn't like the fact that 2 primarches returned and trying to fix things.

[storm jungle]

Not really when you look at it from the grander picture.

Imperial content/lore additions like this get disliked but people go straight back to buying products associated with it and so on.

The Emperor returning in the lore would prob annoy some people but if they made a good enough lore excuse people would go straight to just adoring the idea like with the Primarchs returning. Fans love their big dudes in armor.

[humble shoal]

only if it works out like the TTS

[bold wren]

The Emperor isn't dead he is just constantly resurrecting but stuck to the throne.

Being a perpetual he is constantly being revived but stuck to the throne.

So he is constantly dying but everytime he does the throne steals all his energy. So, yes he is a god Emperor. But more like Atlas.

[orchid lark]

Sounds nice

I wish to die over and over again

[dusky scroll]

@bold wren well, afaik he ain't much other than being a battery for the Astronomican and piss off the Big Blue Boy

[orchid lark]

That or he got punched by Giorno with Golden Experience Requiem

[bold wren]

Well to be honest the throne is more then a battery for the astronomican.

It's complicated stolen xenos tech.

[orchid lark]

Before the imperium gets the emperor back in any capacity, id like for Eldar and their phoenix to fully get refreshed with models

[bold wren]

The Eldar knows how to fix the throne but refuses.

We can hate xenos all we like but the Eldar know the tech the Imperium uses well.

Even better then humanity.

The Eldar can revive people without psykers.

The Emperor didn't hate xenos technology whatsoever, he didn't mind exploiting them.

What he did mind was being exploited by the xenos.

[storm jungle]

The Eldar literally got no idea.

[storm jungle]

And nobody exploited him, the hell

[bold wren]

Humanity was however

[storm jungle]

I mean no?

DAOT humanity waged small-wars with each other too

[bold wren]

I mean yes, but the hatred for xenos existed for this reason. It wasn't just racism. Everytime humanity had trusted xenos they got stabbed in the back.

[storm jungle]

They didnt.

[orchid lark]

The interex they got back stabbed by humans funnily enough

[storm jungle]

^

that line is literally straight from the Emperor and hes probably one of the biggest liars in the setting

[bold wren]

I mean some are benevolent like the Jokaero.

Jokaero are known to be efficient at things they do.

[storm jungle]

Yeah shame all the nice ones got murdered. Wonder who did that.

[orchid lark]

The only good@guys in 40k

My orangutans

[storm jungle]

Planets of the Ape gang rise up

[orchid lark]

Theyre actually just evolved malaysians

Its literally me in the future

[storm jungle]

[orchid lark]

Felinids are turkish people in the future

[bold wren]

Jokaero are cool xenos they could build better ships, and instantly wipe out humanity.

But they're benevolent so they don't.

[storm jungle]

They arent benevolent

they just dont give a shit

because again, orangutan

[bold wren]

They're definitely not planning to wipe out people. They just exist.

[orchid lark]

Like the Dark Eldar, they got blackhole bombs and shit

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats what "not giving a shit" is

monke

[bold wren]

The Eldar have that too.

I mean they have a damn ship that is made to crack worlds.

[storm jungle]

Who does

jokaero?

[orchid lark]

Dead Space

[bold wren]

The Black Fortress is Eldar tech.

[storm jungle]

Its more complicated than that

it has mixed origin

[orchid lark]

The Black Fortress Ishimura

[storm jungle]

💀

[bold wren]

I mean the Eldar take claim over other xenos tech.

Doesn't seem unlike them.

[storm jungle]

Thats because Blackstone Fortresses are ancient and around the era same as the Old Ones

[bold wren]

They're not humanity.

[storm jungle]

it isnt their tech

[bold wren]

They just adapted it.

[storm jungle]

The Imperium also did this by turning one into a naval base lol

but Eldar dont own the fortresses

[bold wren]

I do believe it's Necron tech.

[orchid lark]

It is Vauls tech assumedly, technically not an eldar

[storm jungle]

^

Its not clear

[humble shoal]

We don't even know if the black ships are old one tech right?

[storm jungle]

Black ships?

thats Imperial stuff

[humble shoal]

my bad

typing phone bad

black foretresses

[storm jungle]

[bold wren]

The fortress is that used to crack Cadia is xenos tech, but wasn't disclosed what xenos.

[humble shoal]

clearly they are ork teknology

[storm jungle]

The lexicanum says its by the Eldar but like their origin is so muddled its not clear.

Because the lore goes back n forth on it

because 40k 💀

[bold wren]

I mean humanity doesn't even know what the throne is.

That the Emperor sits on.

[humble shoal]

yeah I thought the throne was old ones stuff

[bold wren]

It's stolen relics.

[storm jungle]

Its a soup-piece

aka literally everything is in it

the latest books go over it

[bold wren]

For all they know it actually amplies the warp.

[humble shoal]

Can't wait for the old ones to return

[bold wren]

The Old One's aren't psychic as much as the Eldar despite creating them. Which is interesting.

[storm jungle]

[bold wren]

I mean they're more real space gods.

[queen laurel]

Motherfucker they are gods

[bold wren]

They don't need to be psychic.

[storm jungle]

Yeah we can do no assumption on the Old Ones they more or less got no lore.

[bold wren]

They have powers beyond that.

[humble shoal]

Yeah we only know they made the orks+eldar

[orchid lark]

Well they made the things that made the orks and eldar

[humble shoal]

and went to war with the necrons

[bold wren]

And all died

[orchid lark]

Necrons are alive, kinda

[humble shoal]

don't think we know that

[orchid lark]

My Zahndrek, he’s out there

[bold wren]

Not all dead it's not confirmed as it says some escaped.

But what happened after that we don't know.

[humble shoal]

yeah

old ones also definitely made the nids

[bold wren]

So they're just the flood.

I knew it.

[storm jungle]

[bold wren]

Literally the same thing happens in halo.

The forerunner and precursors.

[humble shoal]

I mean yeah

[storm jungle]

Thats basically because almost all sci-fi IPs got a precursor race

theres an entire trope page for it

[humble shoal]

yeah

[storm jungle]

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/Precursors

[bold wren]

Just vengeful gods that make some biological weapon or try to make a new form.

For themselves.

[storm jungle]

well thats just theorizing

[humble shoal]

yeah old ones are not confirmed creators of the nids

hence the strikethrough

but it makes sense

[bold wren]

The nids though cannot be bothered by chaos.

And nurgle hates even nids meaning they're not his creation or of chaos.

[storm jungle]

Who said they are

[queen laurel]

There is always that one race in sci-fi that is so good at tech they can rival gods but has fallen so far that they are basically just a myth in the modern times

[humble shoal]

well yeah, they are from outside the galaxy

[storm jungle]

^ lol

[humble shoal]

some dumb blueberry woke them up

[bold wren]

I was just adding onto my theory of why a chaos god would hate them, but they're gods.

[storm jungle]

I mean they hate them because they eat their worshippers

thats kind of it

[humble shoal]

^

yeah

also hive mind messes with the warp

aka food

[storm jungle]

Chaos gods are like... not unknowable eldritch beings, they got actual personalities lmao

[queen laurel]

Only khorne likes them because extra skull and blood

[humble shoal]

don't think khorne likes em tbh

he's an angry fellow

[bold wren]

Khorne don't care because any death gives him power.

[humble shoal]

false

[storm jungle]

You cant get death when the entire galax is eaten

[bold wren]

True they're just reformed.

[humble shoal]

victims of ork go to the gods of krumpin

[queen laurel]

Tyranids are extra skulls and blood so at least that's a positive in his department

[storm jungle]

Also this

[bold wren]

They're not dead just new forms for a biological mass.

[storm jungle]

thats... being dead

a bio-soup isnt being alive

[queen laurel]

Gork and Mork reincarnate orks to if they are particularly good at their

Job

[bold wren]

But their souls aren't going to chaos.

[humble shoal]

thing is if they effect the warp, they may cut khorne off from even his own cultists kills

[bold wren]

And souls are believed to make up an existence of those that are living.

And the warp what do you think it feeds on psychic energy which souls are important for.

[storm jungle]

[humble shoal]

would say the concept of a soul is rough in 40k

[bold wren]

Where do the souls go that the nids consume?

[humble shoal]

they don't

[storm jungle]

They basically just dissipate in the warp yeah

[bold wren]

I thought that was just the Drukhari

As their souls belong to Slaneesh

[humble shoal]

Also if we have demons of the emperor, then possibly kills in the name of the emperor may go to the warp entity known as the emperor.

[storm jungle]

All eldar souls go to slaanesh

[bold wren]

They go somewhere just not to a kind place.

[storm jungle]

also the Doom of Malantai exists

[queen laurel]

The only time a tyramid ever consumed something like a soul is that of eldar being the infamous story of the doom of malantai

[storm jungle]

its a zoanthrope that absorbed a craftworld's infinity circuit and got fat on all the eldar souls from it

[queen laurel]

God f****** dammit

[storm jungle]

lmao jinxed

[humble shoal]

Thing is for chaos you sorta gotta sign your soul away to get the god to take you.

[bold wren]

So the God Emperor?

[humble shoal]

hence why the primarchs got daemonified

[queen laurel]

I will buy vermintide just to queue snipe you as a slayer

[storm jungle]

The Emperor doesnt protect the souls of at least 95% of the Imperium's populace

you just go to the warp

[bold wren]

He isn't daemonic but he is definitely a broken man who is constantly reviving and dying. He isn't just a corpse god.

[humble shoal]

I figured there may be something there, not the real emperor

[storm jungle]

the Emperor has been showcased to only handpick specific people

[humble shoal]

but something pretending to be the emperor

[storm jungle]

Nah like

unless you are someone important like Celestine

[humble shoal]

IE man who sends legion ofn the damned

[storm jungle]

you just go to the Warp

like i said "handpicked"

otherwise uh, good luck lmao

[bold wren]

The Emperor cannot die he just is like Vulkan

[storm jungle]

yeah we know

you said it like 4 times already

[humble shoal]

but there is something in the warp, that chooses some people to join as essentially demons

[storm jungle]

thats the Emperor yeah

[humble shoal]

now is that the man on the throne, or some entity wholly of the warp

[storm jungle]

its him

stuff like the Sororitas book confirm it

[humble shoal]

you trust the sororitas

[bold wren]

Daemons, or something more complicated then that.

[storm jungle]

well more just uh

the books literally describe their souls going to him

at least the more devout ones

[bold wren]

Sororitas were picked by the Emperor kinda so yes.

[humble shoal]

like they are fanatics

[queen laurel]

Well at least they are honest about their job most of the time the inquisition on the other hand

[storm jungle]

Its not because of that

like i said above you get handpicked

not everyone goes to the Emperor

[queen laurel]

Give or take a few grenades

[storm jungle]

like a large majority of imperials/humans just go to the warp

[humble shoal]

you go to brawlhalla

[storm jungle]

and either get dissolved or ripped apart by demons

[bold wren]

Or you're a psyker being tortured and given to the Emperor.

As your soul is consumed.

[storm jungle]

yes

[humble shoal]

or you are a chaos cultist

[queen laurel]

Man my family starved to death and you're telling me there are demons in my death waiting for me with strap ons

[crystal forum]

is guilliman sloppy

[bold wren]

Psykers have no choice.

[storm jungle]

Water is also wet

[crystal forum]

hello

[humble shoal]

they don't deserve a choice

[storm jungle]

[bold wren]

Most of humanity has no choice. Only death.

[humble shoal]

they either get to be fed, or turned into daemonhosts

[storm jungle]

just like real life

just replace daemonhosts with uhh idk work managers

[rose thorn]

Most of 40k has no choice. Only death

[bold wren]

Until you get the Ad Mech who live beyond that.

[storm jungle]

they dont

lol

[humble shoal]

ad mech also eventually die

[storm jungle]

even the oldest techpriests die to random shit yeah

[bold wren]

If they do they're crazy and well.

[humble shoal]

necrons don't die though

they are gamers

[bold wren]

They do

[humble shoal]

they respawn

[crystal forum]

[rose thorn]

Mfs dying to the ducking clue

[storm jungle]

LOL

[rose thorn]

Flu*

[storm jungle]

its either that

or you pissed off a political rival

there goes your elevator 💀

[queen laurel]

The flesh the decays but so does steel corrode

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/fall-down-elevator-shoom-fast-gif-12384052

[bold wren]

Necrons do die just at a very slow rate.

[queen laurel]

You can only maintain a machine for so long

[rose thorn]

“You 10010110100 on the wrong street fool”

[bold wren]

Until they're self repairing machines.

[storm jungle]

necrons only perma-die when you destroy their dynasty's tomb-world

im not even gonna get into the technicalities of that

since Necron respawn tech works on Team Fortress 2 logic

[bold wren]

Well not exactly they cannot repair enough and lose some numbers. Even if you don't destroy that.

[storm jungle]

If the tomb world is gone they cant respawn anymore

[bold wren]

But it's not a very efficient process of killing them.

[storm jungle]

well yeah lol

[crystal forum]

can a leman russ kill a tomb

[storm jungle]

Explode.

https://tenor.com/view/cat-explosion-sad-explode-gif-15295996165959499721

[humble shoal]

issue is they are red team

[storm jungle]

also that lol

[humble shoal]

i mean yeah, you break lemon russ in half what do you have.... two lemon russes

[storm jungle]

My science teacher was onto something...

[crystal forum]

boo

[versed ledge]

So why is lorgar a bad guy?

A man rich in faith and piety, and solely yearns for the truth

Yet for some reason...turned rogue and chaos

[dusk patrol]

I feel like you have a serious literacy problem if you can’t tell why Lorgar is a bad guy

[undone zodiac]

He is bald

Thats why

[versed ledge]

For some reason bald guys tend to be the most evil of villains

[undone zodiac]

Male pattern baldness is a vicious thing

[tulip brook]

The guy is real life cult leader turned up to 11

Creating his own religion out of his delusions and going resentful and commiting atrocities as soon as his belief is questioned

[dusky scroll]

Do Necrons fight chaos? Or did they never encountered each other?

[tulip brook]

Yes, they were present in almost every recent major conflict. Afaik Pariah Nexus is now Vashtorr Mechanicus Necron three ways war

They're like nids against chaos

They have their defenses against corruption and most of their units having no autonomy works in their favor

Any corrupted grunt can be sent back to be reconstructed

[plush mason]

i wonder just how rare a rogue trader psyker is

[celest dome]

Seeing as Psyker is quite a rare mutation, and Rogue Trader aren't that common it should be very rare, but not impossible
Also the matter that RT Dinasties may thing it's too dangerous to have a Psyker as it's next head

[orchid lark]

not to mention if their kid survived meeting the emperor, thats a lot of money to bring them back and away from being used somewhere

[celest dome]

Not every Psyker meet the Emperor

[tulip brook]

A powerful noble family sends their freak son to fringes to become a rogue trader

Here you go

[green loom]

I mean

You can't just become a trader like that lol

A warrant is stupid valuable

[tulip brook]

They won't take him as heir but they're too powerful to just drop a possible heir so they get warrant of trade and send him to earn his place

[green loom]

Okay but you know that warrants of trade aren't just handed out

They'll maybe join the merchant fleet

[tulip brook]

A powerful terran noble family can get it easily

[green loom]

Provided the highlord they ask doesn't just wipe them out instead

[tulip brook]

They probably have enough resources to just sponsor one guy and his fleet

[green loom]

Not their call

[tulip brook]

It's not like a real political powerful position. They're literally sent to nowhere to earn their worth

The game overstates their value and power

[celest dome]

Afaik they are not that commonly given out

[tulip brook]

Definitely but we are discussing the possibility of a psyker trader

Which I blurted out a possible scenario

Afaik new warrant is as rare as a new sm chapter founding

[celest dome]

The easiest way would still be for a Psyker to be born in a RT dynasty

[tulip brook]

Isn't it the story of player's rival in the tutorial?

[green loom]

And yours

Sort of

If you pick sanctioned psyker

[orchid lark]

a warrant of trade is also a good sign not to mess with a person

a psyker noble child can be given it that way he has a perceived safety

its a unique idea that has a lot of play and give to it

[dusk patrol]

There’s no real reason one couldn’t be a RT

[thorn zenith]

Idira also enjoyed long protection of the previous and current rogue trader

[crystal forum]

it can also be a sign to mess with a person

what pirate wouldn't want to test their luck against a rich rogue trader

[rose thorn]

Outline of chapter history

The First Watch:

Farthest and usually act as First defenders of Mccrage
Home world got multched and feels bad man
went on the offense to try to protect mcragg from external threats
’where did half of the galaxy go-‘

Basically they are mostly stuck In the dark imperium with a small amount still orbiting mcragge

So 25% of the chapter is protecting Ultramar and 75% is trapped on the other side of the eye of terror with no support

Actually maybe not even

They are just trying to attack stuff that specifically threat mcragge

I should just focus on their personality and culture

Maybe instead

Hm

first and farthest defense of mcragge
orbits the edges of the ultramar domain
extremely isolated and developed poor mental health
paranoid
believe that the emperor is a god and Gulliman is a god
only recently went on the offense to attack threats before they reach mcragge
like mostly immediately got mulched

[crystal forum]

what do you mean by isolated

like the ones on the other side dont even talk to other imperial units?

are they that level of puritan

sounds more like a bunch of renegades

[viral halo]

Halfway through my morning coffee almost time to post in warhammer discords

[rose thorn]

Tbey use to mainly patrol the very edge of the Ultramar domain and only communicated when necessary but it did eventually form into a sort of religious thing

Maybe they were betrayed?

And grew paranoid because of that

[celest dome]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/02/20/apocrypha-necromunda-blood-ash-and-gunshine/

This month’s edition of Apocrypha Necromunda is entitled Blood, Ash, and Gunshine, and it’s all about heisting a sloshing vat of prized booze from the clutches of the Malstrain Genestealers of Hive Secundus. Here’s Necromunda Lead Owen with more info…
Genestealer booze

Genestealer booze

Genestealer booze

[queen laurel]

that sounds like it will taste lovely

[rose thorn]

You know what would be a good kitbahsung vibe for my chapter, Arctic research shit

Paranoid insomniac Arctic space marines

[rose thorn]

Also mixed with the arctic natives stuff,

[crystal forum]

what does arctic native mean

nobody lives in antarctica

[rose thorn]

I’m not sure what European term for them is but like

[celest dome]

Inuit ?

[rose thorn]

Yea

[celest dome]

Artic Natice -> Artica (North Pole)

[crystal forum]

i know what she meant

[celest dome]

No ?

[crystal forum]

im just grilling her

[rose thorn]

Obliterating you

[unborn juniper]

Quick question: what happened to Cadia?

[rose thorn]

[celest dome]

To shred you say ?
What about the Emperor

[unborn juniper]

But like who did it

[crystal forum]

if you want to know about inuits i could help. if you hadent noticed i worked up there last summer

[celest dome]

[river walrus]

Chaos

[rose thorn]

Chaos mainly, you could also blame necrons and dark eldar if you wanted to

[river walrus]

Cadia was...

[rose thorn]

But it was chaos

[unborn juniper]

Got it

[celest dome]

Wait how can you blame the Necron for Cadia

[river walrus]

Planet yes?

[celest dome]

Was

[rose thorn]

They set up the pylons so kinda

[unborn juniper]

Yes big guy it was

[rose thorn]

That’s like blaming the guy who held the door open for a bank robber

[celest dome]

The Pylons didn't cause Cadia to be destroyed

[rose thorn]

I know but it was the reason chai attacked it

Chaos

[storm jungle]

If it wasnt Cadia it was gonna be another planet that had massive pylons.

[rose thorn]

Fair

[storm jungle]

Yeah it makes no difference basically.

Black Legion and Co. were targetting any planet with them on it

[rose thorn]

The imperium probably would blame fucking anyone honestly

[storm jungle]

*Imperium fans

but yes lol

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[crystal forum]

damn and here i was about to pop off on inuit lore

[storm jungle]

Im reading the Fall of Cadia rn

and Creed is like

[rose thorn]

Based

[storm jungle]

drinking so much whiskey

and is utterly depressed and tired

lmao

[rose thorn]

It’s perfect

[storm jungle]

I 100% recommend a read

its very fun and super recent, literally came out like a few months ago

[crystal forum]

i stopped listening to it after i realized how much i dislike audiobooks

[storm jungle]

If it doesnt have a good narrator yeah you are up shit creek

I learned that the hard way 💀

[crystal forum]

narrator's fine it's just the format i cant stand

it was my first audiobook

[storm jungle]

Shame.

[crystal forum]

anyways so because i think this is an important thing to mention, inuits are a people, not a catch all term for people who live in the north

believe it or not, parts of nordic countries are higher in latitude than the lowest extents of the inuit territories

[storm jungle]

Shoulda told that to the 40k writers when they were making Dorn's homeworld.

"Inwit."

💀

[crystal forum]

i dont care about some old white ass writer's opinion on this subject dilara tbh

the average brit probably thinks these people are savages

[storm jungle]

I mean

have you seen what they did in warhammer fantasy

[crystal forum]

exactly

[storm jungle]

or like a good majority of early 40k

"Oops, all white people!"

I wouldnt bring it up but the fact that people still think black space marines arent a thing kind of goes to show the effect it had

or just black anyone honestly

[crystal forum]

so by starting off with the basics @rose thorn
if you're still listening

inuits were very nomadic and depended highly on fishing and hunting. they used dogs a LOT

you cannot do an inuit inspired chapter without canine elements seriously

[rose thorn]

Let me send my chapter lore

[crystal forum]

in fact they depended so much on dogs that uh the canadian government decided to cull them so they'd be deprived of food sources

i got to see some traditional style tools from the inuits in the village i was at. they used circular knives to cut fish and seals

[rose thorn]

It’s a light amount of inspiration

The First watch was created to patrol the very edges of the Ultramar domain and act as the first and farthest defenders of Mcragge. After the First Tyrannic War the chapter chose to go onto the offensive and attempt to strike down threats to the Ultramar before they even reached the domain. Due to their history of mass isolation their beliefs and traditions became a form of religion to the god emperor. They believe that all the primarchs are gods but worship Gulliman as the god of civilization, vengeance, and as of recent rebirth.

[crystal forum]

so what's the nordic inspiration supposed to be? their aesthetic?

if you want that you'll have to incorporate elements of fishing like harpoons

[dusk patrol]

Why?

Just do whatever you want it’s the future

[celest dome]

Jay being Jay

[crystal forum]

because she mentioned something specific

and im trying to help

because this is a topic im passionate about

[dusk patrol]

It can be as directly aligned with a real life thing or not, imo it’s better to merge multiple cultures and not directly just copy one

Feels more real. It’s already a stretch that in the far future anyone would give a shit about some minor civilization type on Terra which hasn’t existed for 30,000+ years and base their entire planetary culture around it

[crystal forum]

I don't see things that way. i try not to mix elements like that

[rose thorn]

Its generally just like mild elements, mainly is like arctic researcher stuff with a few religious hues and a huge theme on isolationism

They entered the galaxy fully and are trying to protect their home land

[crystal forum]

im warning you though if you do decide to take elements from american continent natives i will be disappointed if you dont put in the effort to distinguish between all the different cultures

[humble shoal]

isnt dorn from eskimo planet?

[crystal forum]

they're not called eskimos FYI

that's actually almost a slur

[celest dome]

Almost ? I was always told that it was a slur

[crystal forum]

I've never heard anybody use it IRL so i wouldn't even know for sure

it's just not what you call them

[rose thorn]

Jay what country are you from?

[crystal forum]

canada

[rose thorn]

Fair

I’m from Idaho now living in North Carolina it’s very hard to not say Indian

[crystal forum]

like i said, last summer i worked up north in a village that was inuit/cree

[rose thorn]

Based

The native Americans I met always said Indian and all of the marketing for smoke shops said Indian

[crystal forum]

the official canadian chart literally calls them indian so you're already doing better than my government by not calling them that

[rose thorn]

Lmao

I know there was a study that trh closer you live to a reserve the more likely you are to say Indian

[crystal forum]

up here we don't say native american though. in canada natives as a whole are referred to as "first nations"

[rose thorn]

That’s a baller name

[crystal forum]

except inuits dont technically count as first nations

i dont remember exactly why

[rose thorn]

When I was in Alaska my extremely rich racist neighbors said that so probably

[rose thorn]

They most likely came from what’s now Russia so maybe? But I’m not a archeologist

I was taught Inuits that immigrated to North America became the native Americans

[odd robin]

Yeah. There was ice bridge

[crystal forum]

no it's a legal thing not a racial one

[rose thorn]

Oh

[crystal forum]

first nations is a legal term

they have special rights

[odd robin]

Every nation is made up lulz

[rose thorn]

Fair point

[celest dome]

🇱🇺 No it's not /s

[rose thorn]

Oop

[crystal forum]

so yeah first nations are still fighting the government because of a lot of stuff

[rose thorn]

Shout out to duping radioactive material on Native American property, thanks US

[crystal forum]

i got to chill with a lawyer who pretty much got the cree a ton of leeway with their rights in like the 80's

[odd robin]

Should of invented more than pointy sticks lmao

[rose thorn]

That-

[crystal forum]

we got wasted on his wine and i dont remember that night much

[rose thorn]

Is mentally revealing

[rose thorn]

Based!!

[crystal forum]

legit the best summer i've ever had

[rose thorn]

I read up on Cree because I mained them in civ

Cringe I know

[crystal forum]

cree are pretty cool

very different from inuits of course

[rose thorn]

Yea

[crystal forum]

the village i was in was the upper limit of cree territory and lower limit of inuit

they shared it. i'm told it was a trading post between the two once

cree eat land animals like caribou and stuff. inuits eat a lot more fish and seals

and physically inuits are tiny even compared to cree

[storm jungle]

Care to elaborate on that?

[crystal forum]

you could also tell that cree had their shit together more so than inuits. their side of the village got paved roads that year

oh and a cool thing is cree houses are built like european ones but inuit houses are built on stilts

[rose thorn]

But yea im just gonna go very lite on the native theming for my chapter since I don’t wanna be like too space wolf/ space bears

[celest dome]

Do we him need to ?

[rose thorn]

But a space wolf adjacent chapter would be baller theming off Inuit

I’m just not the person

[storm jungle]

Its a very curious statement to make is all lol