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fathom egret
Angron is roughly a a foot and a few inch's taller
crystal forum
isn't angron constantly used
crisp heath
Jobber
storm jungle
then yes
fathom egret
kind of his brand
crisp heath
Magnus being the strongest magic creature ever at the moment
Can snap his fingers and invert people
Never uses his powers
shell mason
sup lore chat
fathom egret
heyoo
crisp heath
Malcador can throw planets into the warp what the hell is Magnus holding back for?!
crystal forum
who would win, demon with two sword or psyker primarch who can kill everything
wait no angron isnt demon
he's even worse
storm jungle
Malcador can throw planets into the warp what the hell is Magnus holding back fo...
He signed a contract with GW
hes gotta throw the fight
shell mason
who would win, demon with two sword or psyker primarch who can kill everything
None khorne all the way
crystal forum
khorne so generic you can't tell them apart from chaos individed
storm jungle
more like
Khorne so generic you cannot tell him from any red skinned demon in fiction
shell mason
khorne so generic you can't tell them apart from chaos individed
Oh please next your gonna say Slannesh is the greatest chaos god in the great game
crisp heath
“Cmon fellas why don’t we have a slanesh based demon game yet?”
celest dome
Khorne so generic you cannot tell him from any red skinned demon in fiction
Can't say it's wrong, don't like it but...
fathom egret
“Cmon fellas why don’t we have a slanesh based demon game yet?”
Not very marketable
storm jungle
It literally has nothing to do with censors
its just that shes boring
same with khorne
storm jungle
shell mason
shes right
crystal forum
tzeentch would be fun if it was used more
shell mason
tzeentch would be fun if it was used more
We got the bolt gun game
fathom egret
Tzeench is far harder to fully understand
crystal forum
GW constantly underusing psykers
fathom egret
Nurgle is simple like khorne but more interesting over all
crisp heath
I expected you would expect this so I planned around your plan
storm jungle
I expected you would expect this so I planned around your plan
Me @ my math teacher when I fail the test
shell mason
But for a horde based game like DT would have be more fitting with Khorne
crystal forum
nurgle characters are so funny i love the way they talk
celest dome
GW constantly underusing psykers
GW underusing everything in favour of SM 
shell mason
fathom egret
crisp heath
The more I hate space Marines
crystal forum
find a chapter you enjoy
fathom egret
I like them they are my main army but they are overused
crystal forum
there's like a million
fathom egret
find a chapter you enjoy
Or make your own
crisp heath
They’ve fought in way worse battles and have way better gear
shell mason
Or a Army or regiment like the Guard, Kriegsman, Catachans
crystal forum
there's nothing i enjoy more than reading a story where eldar get curb stomped by space marines
crisp heath
But a chapter of space marines got a CRAFTWORLD by the balls to the point they had to beg the SM to stop
Awful
fathom egret
I guess I just dont like the eldar that much never really bothered me
crystal forum
because it's like ballerinas being punched in the face by bodybuilders
fathom egret
Its funny
crystal forum
fuck eldar i hate em
crisp heath
The wood elf eldar are kinda sick
shell mason
their literal space elves
crystal forum
yeah and elves suck
fathom egret
Space elves but no space dwarves, how can I keep on going 😔
Votan
crystal forum
there's quite literally space dwarves
crisp heath
Wha
fathom egret
Wha
leagues of votann
they need some more models and the balance patch's hit them hard but there models are so damn cool
little lore atm tho
crystal forum
bit annoying that their stuff is just different looking imperial tech
fathom egret
Hopefully as they get flushed out they get more of an identity
crisp heath
Me when diggy diggy hole
crystal forum
also recently they had a 
moment when some ironkin turned to chaos
fathom egret
Chorfs
storm jungle
there's nothing i enjoy more than reading a story where eldar get curb stomped b...
Why did the Space Marine not side-dodge
is he stupid
crystal forum
proof that space marine helmets are only worn by expendable characters
crisp heath
Why don’t space marines wear shield generators like dark tide bosses do
storm jungle
Are they stupid???
hallow plover
Why don’t space marines wear shield generators like dark tide bosses do<:KEKW_og...
that's terminators gimmicks
storm jungle
We need more dreadnaughts, why dont Chapters kill their marines more
are they disabled?
hallow plover
are they dumb
actually they are :^)
storm jungle
actually they are :^)
hallow plover
Space marine's common sense is almost equivalent to ogryns
crisp heath
Oh yeah I heard some thing about imperial knight there was like one unique one above all others
Way bigger, faster, stronger with more weapons and tools
And it just, died
Was killed
Biggest, coolest weapon ever to just get jobbered
What’s up with that?
crisp heath
Possibly
crisp heath
Found it c-
Fuck
Yeah those are the ones
Super cool pacific rim type beat
Bodied
Shame
storm jungle
Yeah and its from a REALLY fucking old book
crisp heath
Retcon time
storm jungle
From the dark ages of 2006!
hallow plover
shudders
crisp heath
Here’s a fun one, do we have any lore about pre ai rebellion humanity and its interaction with the eye of terror?
Them looking into the history of the pylons on Cadia would be cool history stuff too
split dome
bet, thanks
split dome
all g, was reading a book where necrons and chaos cultists were in the same sentence and the question came up
arctic talon
Necron weapons are prolly one of the most unusable by normal humans
Because they’re all heavy as shit
rocky gale
Damn this is what the old Archon model used to look like, the newer one is such a downgrade.
arctic talon
Damn this is what the old Archon model used to look like, the newer one is such ...
The new archon model also just sucks bcs he’s very hard to repose lol
No helmet as well
crystal forum
Here’s a fun one, do we have any lore about pre ai rebellion humanity and its in...
the warp was a lot calmer so humanity as a whole had less knowledge about all that stuff
crystal forum
What do chaos cultists think of xeno-tech?
dark mechanicus loves xeno tech and everything the imperium hates
storm jungle
Literally the worst pose imaginable
You and pretty much everyone agrees
its such a meh model
rocky gale
I hate this dumb looking thing with a passion
When I get my hands on it I'm going to attempt serious surgery to fix this hideous thing
storm jungle
god speed trooper
arctic talon
When I get my hands on it I'm going to attempt serious surgery to fix this hideo...
If you fix the head you’ve already helped it
rocky gale
I'm thinking headswap and a repose to stop that dreadful crossed arm nonsense, but I'll need to wait until I get my hands on the pieces before I know how much work it will be.
I've always disliked it, but now that I know that it replaced a genuinely great looking model I am filled with rage.
viral halo
I hate this dumb looking thing with a passion
Swap the head with an incubi helmet and use a weapon off a diff sprue and you’re good to go
rocky gale
Hopefully
viral halo
The old one is much better
arctic talon
They might do a drukhari update soon
My evidence is that it came to me in a dream
But they’re one of few factions in the game that still has a ton of resin kits
And stuff that’s usable but not buyable year round
rocky gale
I too have dreamed
viral halo
They might do a drukhari update soon
Oh that's just NOT happening
we're getting mandrakes and that's it
viral halo
So much of the shit is not even fucking SOLD
rocky gale
and the fact their codex has not been announced yet on the roadmap gives me hope that they're holding off on it so that it's a big refresh
viral halo
court of the archon not being sold is insane
they got a refresh in 2011, I doubt they're doing anything but adding the kill team mandrakes
The sad reality is they don't sell
rocky gale
Perhaps they will be the third redacted Codex for Summer alongside the Sororitas and Genestealers
arctic talon
they got a refresh in 2011, I doubt they're doing anything but adding the kill t...
2011 is 13 years ago now
They’re getting an update soon imo
rocky gale
Drukhari and Sororitas are an age old release combo for GW
arctic talon
And GW has shown they don’t want to let model ranges rot nowadays
viral halo
They use Kill Team to piece meal replace old kits
dusk patrol
Stuff takes time
arctic talon
Drukhari are prolly getting one
viral halo
Eldar still have a lot of finecast aspect warriors
rocky gale
Oh shit I'd forgot about the Mandrake announcement
dusk patrol
They’ve shown a clear commitment to slowly but surely update everything
arctic talon
^
viral halo
They’ve shown a clear commitment to slowly but surely update everything
Most things have moulds/models developed years in advance- takes FOREVER to get shit moving and only when sales encourage it also
rocky gale
They seem kind of an odd choice for Killteam though tbh
arctic talon
Not really
rocky gale
Usually Killteam models are more unique
viral halo
I'm just glad they gave DE something new
rocky gale
Hey that's two Killteams for DE now, what with Hand of the Archon and Mandrakes
arctic talon
They’re like the last faction GW has to really “kill” the resin monster
arctic talon
Hey that's two Killteams for DE now, what with Hand of the Archon and Mandrakes
And guard has 2 killteams as well
viral halo
Hey that's two Killteams for DE now, what with Hand of the Archon and Mandrakes
HOTA is just an upgrade sprue tbf
viral halo
Guard are also a top selling faction
arctic talon
Nids, DG screaming in agony
crystal forum
GW about to add a valhallan kill team as well ong
arctic talon
I still think drukhari are getting a range refresh soon
At least in the next 2 years
It’s inevitable
viral halo
There's not much left to refresh aside from COTA
arctic talon
There's not much left to refresh aside from COTA
The haemonculi flesh thingy
I forgot it’s name
Is still resin
rocky gale
Grotesques
viral halo
The talos?
arctic talon
Same with a lot of the creatures for the beast master
viral halo
I totally forgot about the beastmaster LMAO
So much of their shit has been gone for so long now
arctic talon
Yeah
rocky gale
Grotesques, Beastmaster, the Beasts, HOTA and a couple other are all still resin or not sold anymore despite still being in the codex
dusk patrol
Most things have moulds/models developed years in advance- takes FOREVER to get ...
Yeah iirc minimum it takes 2-3 years for a model to go from concept to production
viral halo
need a new asdrubael vect kit
dusk patrol
And it can be much longer
viral halo
And it can be much longer
New huron being rumored for years 
rocky gale
My delusions tell me that Drukhari are the redacted 3rd codex for Summer 2024
dusk patrol
viral halo
Whatever happened to the Ynnari
arctic talon
Also odds are they were prolly gona be a unified eldar faction
storm jungle
We got like... what 3 big events now?
arctic talon
If GW went through with a reboot
arctic talon
Which imo they were planning at some point
Ynnari would have been like
Cities of sigmar
But for eldar
arctic talon
I never said it was a good one
crystal forum
kill him
storm jungle
arctic talon
rocky gale
I like my organs and bones the way they are
Your bones, hand them over
shrewd depot
If GW went through with a reboot
How in the world are you gonna reboot 40k
Where would you even begin
storm jungle
Its not as hard as it looks lol
shrewd depot
Surely you'd just start with, 'and then the Emperor was born...'
storm jungle
Literally just revamp the lore + write a good enough excuse for stuff
then sprinkle in some space marines
and your playerbase will come right back in
shrewd depot
So by 'reboot' you mean dumb down to the most basic level
And honestly that does seem likely
shrewd depot
'Nerdy' hobbies have been on the rise for years, and 40k is kinda outdated in a lot of aspects.
So streamlining the story for the modern audience is probably what GW are gonna do
storm jungle
40k has been around as long as it has because it adapts.
Primaris was a huge thing a lot of people hated yet here we are where people still buy that slop constantly.
Its just about presentation and fancy marine models
shrewd depot
Primaris haters can go eat it. We ended some actually proportioned marines
storm jungle
They are still pretty bad and the aesthetic is poop
And that would be just you. People hated AoS and still do yet its making a shit ton of money, is easily accessible and and the models are awesome
shrewd depot
It'd add a 3rd faction to the 'hardcore vets vs Surface lore shitters' discourse
storm jungle
people really forget how much of the playerbase does not care about the lore
and is only here for the tabletop
its a massive percentage
shrewd depot
and is only here for the tabletop
Brother I can assure you the number of people who are into 40k for the tabletop is a lot lower than you think
crystal forum
they could have upscaled marines without phasing them out
storm jungle
Brother I can assure you the number of people who are into 40k for the tabletop ...
Its really not.
where do you think 40k makes its money
shrewd depot
they could have upscaled marines without phasing them out
What, exactly, is the difference between Primaris phasing out regular marines and like, Mark V phasing out Mark IV armour
We've done this multiple times with Marines in the past already
storm jungle
I mean we got no idea how they'd do it
people get upset and always go back to buying GW products
nobody at large really cares as long as the game is playable and the models are good
crystal forum
What, exactly, is the difference between Primaris phasing out regular marines an...
it's horus heresy so i dont give a shit
shrewd depot
it's horus heresy so i dont give a shit
So because you were apart of the fandom during the Primaris roll out all the other types of marine that have been phased out over the years don't exist?
crystal forum
no shit. there's just like 4 models left to buy
storm jungle
tragic
shrewd depot
I mean Beakies disappeared back in the 90s lmao
crystal forum
nobody forced them to stop playing
storm jungle
Ehhhh kinda but not really
beakies have been around for awhile
their numbers just increased recently
dusk patrol
They’re adding back in old Mks as options, there’s functionally not gonna be a difference
shrewd depot
What a bunch of captains get the beaks now or something?
dusk patrol
They’ll keep adding more and more options for conversions of older stuff
dusk patrol
What a bunch of captains get the beaks now or something?
Primaris beakie options have been a thing for years now
crystal forum
more expensive plastic
storm jungle
Beakies never went away
shrewd depot
Primaris beakie options have been a thing for years now
I honestly haven't seen any lmao. Is that just people not building them?
dusk patrol
I guess
I’ve seen a fair amount
People tended to do them sparingly in 40k except if they were doing RG
In lore they never went away
shrewd depot
A beak on Primaris armour has to look weird
crystal forum
i hate the primaris helmet SO FUCKING MUCH
dusk patrol
MkX can easily be made to work with older patterns
And we see a lot of primarizes characters still have their older gear
shrewd depot
i hate the primaris helmet SO FUCKING MUCH
It's just the Mark V grill helmet
dusk patrol
Just made to fit them with some MkX options
crystal forum
does this in any way change my issue
storm jungle
When you present them with the old gear it makes people wojak point and buy them so its a good tactic
dusk patrol
Helbrecht is a good example of updating his old gear
shrewd depot
does this in any way change my issue
Iunno you're the one whose upset the old marines, with the mark V grill helms, are disappearing
dusk patrol
Basically all the Dark Angel updates have been the same
crystal forum
Iunno you're the one whose upset the old marines, with the mark V grill helms, a...
when did i say that???
dusk patrol
Azrael is basically the same model just bigger and with different mag placement
shrewd depot
they could have upscaled marines without phasing them out
?
dusk patrol
They basically did just upscale a lot of them frankly
dusk patrol
They’re adding in old options back
storm jungle
shrewd depot
Mark V is the grill helmet right?
crystal forum
even if it's just a bootleg darth vader
dusk patrol
It’s very easy to convert them
There’s a ton of options
This has been a thing for years
But I digress
rocky gale
Personally I always hated the Beakie helmets and the MK7 helmets, the MK10's are much nicer.
crystal forum
this is mark 7 https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/dark-heresy-rp/images/8/8e/Imperial_Paladins_Marine.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150621210924
dusk patrol
This dialogue tree is
shrewd depot
Right that's what I meant
shrewd depot
Riiight, Mark 5 is the studs
dusk patrol
Mk V was technically an amalgamation
shrewd depot
They need to come out with studded Primaris
dusk patrol
But it’s generally shown as that
rocky gale
Beakie helmets always just remind me of the dog face helms from the middle ages, hideous things
shrewd depot
Correct
dusk patrol
It was just patch worked armor made from a bunch of different sets
shrewd depot
Space Marines are, fact, heavily based of crusader knights and their armour
crystal forum
man i wish mark 2 armour was a thing
dusk patrol
Due to the heresy causing shortages
dusk patrol
man i wish mark 2 armour was a thing
Probably will be again soon with heresy
storm jungle
Space Marines are, fact, heavily based of crusader knights and their armour
"heavily" more like "loosely"
shrewd depot
Iron Warriors rock the Mk 2 still right?
crystal forum
mark 3 is still my favorite but mark 2 looks even more brutal
shrewd depot
Death Guard do I know that
crystal forum
if only the mark 3 helmet didn't look like the grill of a choochoo train
storm jungle
Chaos Marines entirely use any 30k gear
crystal forum
thomas the tank engine looking ass
storm jungle
just looking more demonic
so its literally just "whatever the artist/modeller feels at the time"
shrewd depot
Which is why I've always preferred Chaos lmao
I remember when I first started drawing 40k my friend would give me such shit for any little inaccuracy on a loyalist
Second I went Chaos he stopped that shit
crystal forum
you're boring
shrewd depot
Eeeeh
storm jungle
eat me nerd
shrewd depot
Black Templar, Crimson Fists, the gold ones
Blood Angels are iconic but they're still basic af
Smurfs are smurfs
crystal forum
this is why i fight in the real man's army
crystal forum
im debating what tank i should print next
malcador, macharius, bayblade, destroyer, chimera
crystal forum
i literally just printed one and you fucking know it
rocky gale
Who doesn't need another Leman Rus
crystal forum
THATS NOT A TANK
shrewd depot
I've always liked plasma baneblades
40k has the best plasma weapon design, show me otherwise
crystal forum
no im talking about the tank
i bet you havent heard of it
it's such a weird addition to astra militarum
shrewd depot
Wait they came out with a 'Rogal Dorn' tank?
rocky gale
Yes
rocky gale
rocky gale
It's the one in the middle
shrewd depot
I've seen WORSE designs in 40k, but yeah thats pretty awful
dusk patrol
Oh it’s fine smh
shrewd depot
Why on earth would you have an 'inbetweeny' tank
rocky gale
Yea there's nothing wrong with it
crystal forum
they realized that nobody wants to use baneblades because they're 250$ gimmick vehicles so they made something between it and leman russ
dusk patrol
If you don’t like Guard tanks I get why you wouldn’t like it but like
It’s a guard tank
shrewd depot
The entire point of the Russ is that it can do anything
shrewd depot
they realized that nobody wants to use baneblades because they're 250$ gimmick v...
Ok but they just upscaled a Russ and gave it a shit turret
dusk patrol
Because there’s a gap between super heavies and the Russ
crystal forum
do you not even see the two hull meltas and the hull minigun
shrewd depot
Russ has 2 sponsons, body gun, turret and gunner on top
dusk patrol
It has a lot of extra guns
shrewd depot
Ok so its has 2 extra body guns and 1 turret gun
crystal forum
plus 4 sponsons plus main cannon plus coax plus pintle
shrewd depot
Where are you getting these 2 extra sponsons from?
crystal forum
look it up
shrewd depot
These in blue are shared between Dorn and Russ
Leaving just the extra turret gun and the two body guns as extras
Which, imo, is not enough for a whole ass new class of tank
I've seen Russ's with more guns than this
crystal forum
oh i was thinking of the two ones you forgot to circle
shrewd depot
Oh the lower down ones?
shrewd depot
Yeh those aren't standard to normal Russ's, so I didn't circle them
rocky gale
At the end of the day you're overthinking it, it's a cool looking tank.
shrewd depot
Its really not
Russ's are cool because them combine Metal Slug, which is just a treasure trove of amazing vehical designs, and early WW1 tanks
Its a unique look.
crystal forum
idk how many weapons you think the russ can have with official rules
storm jungle
At the end of the day you're overthinking it, it's a cool looking tank.
Dont argue with tank nerds, just leave it be
shrewd depot
That thing looks.... Lumpy? I wanna say lumpy
Like things are just growing out of its frame, rather than having any logical sense to it
shrewd depot
Honestly facts
If they went full on with the stupidness I'd probably love it
40k swings from 'grimdark hardcore realism and grit' to 'flamethrower guitars'
Having any design exist in the middle of those two extremes dooms it to mediocrity
rocky gale
I'll doom you to mediocrity
crystal forum
that's exactly what it is too
it has no lore at all
no idea where it came from either
it's just a tabletop toy
shrewd depot
There are like, 30 different Russ patterns with dual turrets
Baneblades too
Give me a fucking dual barreled Earthshaker
Or whatever the artiliery piece is called
crystal forum
basilisk
crystal forum
the comp cringe player's arsenal
shrewd depot
I've always been partial to ranged combat
shrewd depot
Oh this thing
crystal forum
yes
shrewd depot
This Starwars Snailtank thing
shrewd depot
It looks designed for Death Guard
shrewd depot
He's kinda not wrong
crystal forum
it literally is
shrewd depot
Just reverse the turret and its basically the same thing lmao
Actually nah
Those are the same tracks
crystal forum
that's what im saying
fuck it i guess im printing a rogal dorn
i dont want to spend 50$ in resin printing a bayblade
shrewd depot
Ok so its either the same set of tracks with a different door on the side, or they used the same model BUT decided to remodel that door for some reason
The doors are the only thing different between the two
crystal forum
look at the exhaust
shrewd depot
Oooh you know what that'll be? The door is probably a separate piece. So when they upscaled the tracks for the other model, they just didn't do it for the door
crystal forum
what i want one day
is the armageddon basilisk
it looks like a modern mobile artillery vehicle
crystal forum
i fucking love these obscure variants that forge world used to make
shrewd depot
You could easily buy a Ferdinand kit off ebay and paint it to be 40k
crystal forum
it's a basilisk
crystal forum
it's more obvious with the door open
shrewd depot
I mean yeah, thats what most self propelled guns are like internally
crystal forum
yeah and that's cool
shrewd depot
crystal forum
and why would i buy i kit i can just print it
thorn zenith
Them germans knew how to make cool stuff for sure
crystal forum
i just finished printing a really hard to find model of a leman russ
thorn zenith
Single handedly set the bar for the whole "badass evil regime" archtype
storm jungle
Them germans knew how to make cool stuff for sure
Their secret is they all look good but function like shit
industrial gap moment
crystal forum
also progress report i added sponsons
shrewd depot
Their secret is they all look good but function like shit
What about the famous German engineering
Yknow, the same engineering that sunk half a million into the V2 program
thorn zenith
Their secret is they all look good but function like shit
Hey, even if you lose at least you still look absolutely ballers
crystal forum
little did he know that's what they wanted him to think
shrewd depot
If you wanna see WW2 Germain design at is peak
Look no further than this fucking beast
The single coolest looking aircraft ever made, change my mind
thorn zenith
little did he know that's what they wanted him to think
Im aware, could still appreciate the cool factor when you see it tho
shrewd depot
I will say, 40k's design language falls apart whenever you get to its 'in atmosphere' aircraft
Literal bricks with wings
rocky gale
If you wanna see WW2 Germain design at is peak
I think you mean the Landkreuzer P.1000 Ratte, a 1000 ton super tank
thorn zenith
Unlike the modern era where everything is kinda samey design
shrewd depot
See the thing about that one is even Hitler knew it was a joke
crystal forum
the tank we have literally no primary source on and was "discovered" during the era where people in germany were faking nazi documents to sell them to dumb westerners
shrewd depot
Like even he knew that fucking monstrosity was not viable in any way
storm jungle
the tank we have literally no primary source on and was "discovered" during the ...
You say this like half the legit wonder weapons werent goofy ass shit either
shrewd depot
I mean when an R&D department is given a lot of money and told, 'build something to win the war' not every idea is going to be fully documented
storm jungle
Who died and made you the WW2 expert
shrewd depot
Its how desperate dictators work tho
storm jungle
storm jungle
Its how desperate dictators work tho
Also this lol
People do dumb shit in desperate situations
crystal forum
it's also just not how engineering works like this isn't even history at this points???
shrewd depot
What I'm saying is ideas will be proposed, like 'Hey what if we made a 100ton tank?' and they're scribbled down somewhere and then prompty forgotten because they're dogshit ideas
storm jungle
^
crystal forum
"let's spend manhours and money to develop something without writing any of it down"
shrewd depot
Then some moron 20 years later finds the scribbles and thinks 'Oh shit, they must've really thought about this!'
storm jungle
Like, 21st century weapon makers have done even goofier documented weapon ideas.
I dont know why you think this is dumb lmao
also its a fucking nazi weapon, who cares
shrewd depot
"let's spend manhours and money to develop something without writing any of it d...
See a lot of R&D is prototyping
If a prototype doesn't work, most of the time you just redesign it from the ground up
crystal forum
uh huh
shrewd depot
Shred the old shit because it didn't work and move on
crystal forum
without documenting anything
shrewd depot
I mean why would you
crystal forum
not writing down why it didnt work
shrewd depot
Its war time, you have spies in your ranks
dusk patrol
You’re acting like they made a ton of these or any at all, generally they had an idea and went over the math of doing it
And were like, uh no
thorn zenith
Yea information warfare was a thing even back then, propagandas n such
shrewd depot
Why would you leave classified documents that aren't going to be turned into full weapons laying around?
crystal forum
even written down things on paper are even more documented than the ratte
it's literally a made up idea post war
rocky gale
Maybe, but it's funny
shrewd depot
Honestly the thing that makes me believe in the Ratte is its name
thorn zenith
And people were far less well informed than the current times
shrewd depot
Thats some German level humour if I ever saw it
crystal forum
and seeing everybody quote eachother is funny
shrewd depot
Like how they named their smallest tank, 'The Goliath'
crystal forum
like "here's what this tank would look like if it existed"
mf's acting like we found the megalodon teeth and have a size aproximation
shrewd depot
Brother
If you ever doubt the limits of human stupidity in times of crysis
Look no further than the Russians
Now like the Ratte, this was a purely experimental prototype
But they still fucking made one
crystal forum
this thing was actually built though
shrewd depot
And by God, was it AWFUL
So yeh
We can fairly safetly assume if the Ratte WAS a real idea, it wouldn't have been made for many reasons
The Tsar Tank probably being one of them
Also, Germany was losing the war, massively in decline of resources and basically giving their soldiers WW1 issue gear when the Ratte was designed
So they simply couldn't build it for real at the time
crystal forum
again, it flat out wasn't
shrewd depot
When I was doing minor research on the Ratte, that was the argument for why it was never built
Germany simply didn't have the resources spare to waste on it
crystal forum
try to find a primary source on it
you can't find one
i have no fucking clue where this thing even originated from
crystal forum
yes the wikipedia page is even funnier
gray umbra
is m-lok heretical in 40k
crystal forum
all of these guys are quoting eachother
at least the sources i checked
i honestly just got bored and stopped trying
shrewd depot
So from a basic reading
It seeeeems the Ratte was initially proposed but then changed into the Maus line
Which were made
crystal forum
look at anything post WW2 in germany and you'll find a SHIT TON of fake documents made by germans who needed some money
crystal forum
not to mention one of the sources literally says the sketch is probably bullshit
crystal forum
Valkyries remain the only decent aerial design
wait i have one
a really funny proxy
crystal forum
it looks cool
shrewd depot
Give it literally any other nose and I'm with you
storm jungle
it looks cool
crystal forum
i genuinely think it does
shrewd depot
Truly tho
rocky gale
I'm a fan of the Imperial Pod Racer plane
shrewd depot
Its like someone tried to design a loyalist plague drone
storm jungle
shrewd depot
I will admit
The fucking tank turret on a plane is a mood
I don't know what it fucking shoots with that thing
I've never seen any media actually fire it
That'd equally awful and brilliant
shrewd depot
IL2 Stormavik looking ass
crystal forum
god did not want soviets to have this much power
rocky gale
The Stormhawk and the Dark Talon aren't bad Space Marine flyers
crystal forum
what's with the upside down rudder
crystal forum
also it's not even the right way
shrewd depot
Extendo legs?
gray umbra
its like a fish
shrewd depot
Ah
rocky gale
and the Corvus Blackstar is kinda cool
shrewd depot
Precisely what the SM needed
See 40k's designs rule when it's a logical or 'realistic' design with religious symbols added after the fact. Like someone actually just bolted a cross to their wing yknow?
storm jungle
Literally the only realistic plane designs are the Eldar and Orks
one is just MiGs
the other is just VTOLs
rocky gale
Now if you want some good flyers
shrewd depot
and the Corvus Blackstar is kinda cool
This thing has specific armour plates for it's crosses
rocky gale
Voidraven Bomber and Razorwing Jet
gray umbra
smooth
gray umbra
whats the long thin piece for
shrewd depot
What the piece that connects the front wings to the tail?
gray umbra
shrewd depot
Honest to God it looks Ai generated with how out of place it looks
How are the Tau, the singular most high tech race in 40k, gonna need some pre-WW1 biplane tech to make their wings stable
shrewd depot
Objectly false but aight
storm jungle
imperial fighters stand no chance against tau/eldar craft
shrewd depot
Aight
storm jungle
Its their nose
shrewd depot
For real?
storm jungle
its a nostril yeah
storm jungle
My face when people just want humans with different skin color as aliens ala Star Trek
rocky gale
When the Gue'vesa asks "What that forehead do?" and you have to hit them with the greater good stare.
crystal forum
My face when people just want humans with different skin color as aliens ala Sta...
because some shows actually care about content over visuals. not talking about modern star trek tho
arctic talon
And then they just slaughter everything they run into
storm jungle
because some shows actually care about content over visuals. not talking about m...
And it suffers because of it because it looks lazy af
Star Trek literally only did that because budget lol
so not really a good excuse either way
crystal forum
"suffers"
shrewd depot
My face when people just want humans with different skin color as aliens ala Sta...
Tl;dr Tau biological design doesn't work with their lore.
So Tau are supposedly physically weak and slow right? Yet they have digigrade legs with hoofs and a singular wide opening nostril placed in the centre of their head. These are adaptations, evolutionary wise, for fucking speed. These guys are built like bipedal horses, with a fucking jet intake for air. Realistically, these guys should be fucking booking it with some insane top speeds, like 40+ mph
storm jungle
That too lol
but basically people just dont appreciate creativity half the time
"this alien looks weird"
ok genius lmao
crystal forum
the no nose thing annoys me sometimes
arctic talon
When it comes to cqb
shrewd depot
The no nose thing works IF its supposed to be for increased air intake
storm jungle
the no nose thing annoys me sometimes
Appreciate some alien designs that dont look like humans then lmao
crystal forum
im sorry but humans are biologically hardwired to find noseless faces funny
shrewd depot
As if they're a prey species designed to run away from things
storm jungle
Tl;dr Tau biological design doesn't work with their lore.
So Tau are supposedly...
Also id say dont think too hard on it
arctic talon
Previous editions had tau with shit initiative and WS
arctic talon
To represent how they’re like
storm jungle
basic biology
shrewd depot
See but like
arctic talon
If they were physically weak they’d be S2
shrewd depot
Tau work as none-melee aliens. Their biology is adapted for running away from things, not fighting them
arctic talon
Not S3 imo
shrewd depot
However the actual writers just give real shit reasoning for why they're bad in melee, rather than just using the artist's depiction
crystal forum
this is what tau look like
storm jungle
However the actual writers just give real shit reasoning for why they're bad in ...
40k writing in a nutshell btw
arctic talon
Lol
storm jungle
Tau hoove designs also change like 1000 times in artwork lol
arctic talon
Orks just had green blood before tbf
storm jungle
It was settled on red finally
arctic talon
“It looks better”
storm jungle
^
storm jungle
artistic presentation is more important
rocky gale
The answer is simple, Khorne uses his Warp powers to make all blood red because it's his favourite colour
arctic talon
Okay but Nids don’t have red blood
rocky gale
They aren't from this Galaxy
arctic talon
The blood color changes based on what type of nid
Okay well those ones do
But nids having technicolor blood is fun
arctic talon
I think?
storm jungle
it was red
arctic talon
Most common colors are red/purple
shrewd depot
In Retribution?
arctic talon
Sometimes green
rose thorn
i like necorns getting a W in the new campaign
shrewd depot
most people find blood gross
I remember a long ass time ago I watched a let's play on the OG space marine, and the guy doing the video was an avid table top player on his channel. But like, the guy could not continue the game because of the gore.
And apparently even the table top's level of 'gore' is a little much for him
So like
Yeah, there are people out there who are very turned off to blood and gore in general. Which to me, when they're trying to get into 40k of all things, is just kinda hilarious
crystal forum
i straight up can't even get the headspace
i have 0 reaction, involuntary or otherwise to blood
shrewd depot
So like, certain types of blood get me. Like blood from nails or teeth, that shit makes my skin crawl
But a torso getting blown open? Nothing.
crystal forum
i get gore
blood i dont
there's only 2 types of human liquids that disgust me
smegma
because the word gives me ear cancer
rocky gale
That ain't a fluid
shrewd depot
Annnd this is the point of the conversation where I dip
crystal forum
it's human bodily fluid
gray umbra
what's the other
crystal forum
no this is smegma chat now
crystal forum
what's the other
the obsolete medical idea of the 4 humours include black bile
i dont fucking know what black bile is
but i dont want to find out
storm jungle
Black Bile, called melancholy based on its Greek and Latin origin, represents cold and dry mentality and correlates with the natural element Earth. According to Humorism, the Black Bile humor definition is the liquid of the body responsible for depression, stomach issues, and other heavy, bodily ailments.
rocky gale
So that's whats causing it
crystal forum
i hate the human body so much
crystal forum
the fact that we're hard wired to hate half the stuff our body does
rocky gale
i have 0 reaction, involuntary or otherwise to blood
Never understood the squeamishness around blood, when I was a kid I'd get nosebleeds atleast once a week so it was just normal, I remember the first time I got one in class and the entire class started freaking out while I was just dealing with it like business as usual. The teacher even called my mum into school and said I needed to be tested for mental problems because I wasn't bothered by it.
crystal forum
what the fuck
i shredded my arm through a broken window as a kid and was bleeding everywhere but teachers thought i was faking it because i didnt care
storm jungle
dont forget that if you also dont sleep you slowly go insane
which is a pretty fucked up thing to think about the more you dwell on it
rocky gale
How long have you been awake?
crystal forum
i keep thinking about how instead of trying to find a way to be immortal we should find a way to never sleep so we can pretty much add a quarter more lived time in our lives
storm jungle
storm jungle
i keep thinking about how instead of trying to find a way to be immortal we shou...
this post was made by the vampire gang
gray umbra
do you think chaos champions get a comfy night of sleep some times
u know like abaddon the despoiler snuggling up next to his horus plushie
rocky gale
If I had to be a Chaos Champion I'd join Slaanesh and snooze excessively
storm jungle
and he complains and almost chokes on a thick maggot thats been resting inside his throat
crystal forum
bro if i was with slaanesh i'd just have sex idk why it has to be so complicated
crystal forum
no?
crystal forum
you dont know me enough
storm jungle
its not about knowing you
crystal forum
nono
storm jungle
her corruption causes you to seek more and more excess
crystal forum
oh no no
crystal forum
no you dont get it
storm jungle
like knowing you
your slaanesh arc is prob wanting to turn yourself into a leman russ
rocky gale
Sounds boring
crystal forum
idk why it always has to move on to pain
storm jungle
Jay
you keep this shit up
and im gonna slice you open and climb inside you and use you as my skin puppet
crystal forum
see this is why i dont like slaanesh
storm jungle
LMAO
im sorry but its literally what she does
its not about sex
damn coomer
smh
crystal forum
nugle is where it's at
literally just sleep forever and he'd be happy
find a hive city, sleep somewhere and let all your body plagues kill everything
rocky gale
Got to say, Nurgle is probably my least favourite
storm jungle
is it because hes disgusting
rocky gale
He's disgusting on the inside
storm jungle
hes literally me
rocky gale
Hey as far as I know you're not keeping an Eldar goddess captive and subjecting her to constant torture.
arctic talon
rocky gale
So you're atleast one rung above
crystal forum
eldar deserve it
rose thorn
i like all the gods evenly tbh, but in aos they get alot more screen time than 40k
also is 40k's chaos corruption a physcial thing or a mental thing im so fucking tired of 40k actingl ike its the cold
in aos, first its mental liek you agree to chaos or you do shit in chaos name then you get physical effects after
but in 40k its like 'yea the root of corruption is in you but if we mind wipe you it will go away'
crystal forum
it's annoyingly vague yeah
some people just mind resist chaos while others become infected like it's a mind virus
gray umbra
why does that poxwalker have sphincters for eyes
unborn phoenix
What type of gears do sister's of silence use
shrewd depot
Got to say, Nurgle is probably my least favourite
The thing about Nurgle is no matter how gross you are, he'll always love you like a grandfather
I find it adorable that, on some level, Chaos marines really do just want love
They're roided up kids smashing windows and looking to their dads for approval
thorn zenith
Without the catch of disease and stuff, Nurgle is unironically the most wholesome being in the setting
orchid lark
What type of gears do sister's of silence use
Selenite Power Armour
Like Custodes, they have in house manufacturers on Terra
They use bolters too
But their training and conditioning makes them more deadlier than a sister of battle
And because of their very nature
unborn phoenix
I could tell
orchid lark
Even deadly to space marines
unborn phoenix
Working with custodes and in charge of black ships to take psykers to be drained for the throne
orchid lark
Some are still Imperial Truthers
But some have moved to the Creed
Because to better fit in society (that dislikes them) or out of loneliness and seperation from terra
They still use the good ole bolters and shtuff
But they’re more known for those greatswords of theirs
unborn phoenix
All of their art I've seen they're always holding it
I'm guessing they're not flushed out or shown off enough for people to get full length lore videos
queen laurel
I'm guessing they're not flushed out or shown off enough for people to get full ...
they are used sparingly because they are a walking plot armor device, they have been a key on multiple major conflicts though
during the war of the beast i think their blank powers were used to kill the beasts
unborn phoenix
Like When leman fought Magnus?
It's a shame they're not in the light more I love their designs
queen laurel
It's a shame they're not in the light more I love their designs
if it's an incredibly major conflict they have a pretty decent chance of showing up, but most of the times the custodes out muscle the problem if you truly need elites
unborn phoenix
They would keep the cooler units that just so happen to be fairly op in the background
lunar harness
sisters of silence are pretty cool, but i don't really understand why they are all female
blanks are rare as hell, why should you exclude male blanks?
also its weird to me that they are in the custodes army (though in HH they follow around custodes a lot) and not agents of the imperium
unborn phoenix
I mean I'm asking cause there's little on them that I have access too. Maybe female blanks are more special? Idk
Aren't the male ones in that assassin order?
queen laurel
Aren't the male ones in that assassin order?
yes male blanks can get three things, they can end up in the assassin order or serve another imperial figure or to be used for the unfortunate breeding program
unborn phoenix
Kinda guessed
queen laurel
Kinda guessed
oh yeah there is one more actually, while i am not the most knowledgeable, one of the most well known if a male blank is lucky is operating a psi-titan
unborn phoenix
The psi titans definitely uniquely deadly I've heard
queen laurel
The psi titans definitely uniquely deadly I've heard
the weapon systems of these things are powered by enslaved psykers and with blanks as the pilots they can control the output
unborn phoenix
That's fucked
queen laurel
That's fucked
Lovely to be a space mage in warhammer ain't it
unborn phoenix
No thanks
The one time I wouldn't mind being just a normal dude
Kind wouldn't mind a feudal world just kinda not away of the galaxy as a whole lol
fallow marten
also its weird to me that they are in the custodes army (though in HH they follo...
They are agents of the Imperium, they were kinda just their own thing and after the Heresy died out with just a few stragglers keeping up the order. G-man got the gang back together though so now we get more silent sister action
lunar harness
You misunderstand me. Agents of the Imperium is a faction in 10th edition.
lunar harness
They are agents of the Imperium, they were kinda just their own thing and after ...
The sisters datacards are in the Custodes index.
lunar harness
I feel like lore wise they should be under the Agents index.
So you can take them in a guard army or space marine army.
They are specialists that could support anyone.
fallow marten
I mean them and the Custodes are talons of the emperor
So I kinda get it
But it would be cool to be agents
lunar harness
from the wiki (I've only seen them in horus heresy books, and I've never read a custodes index)
Along with the Legio Custodes, the Sisters of Silence had the right and duty to walk freely within the inner sanctum of the Imperial Vaults deep beneath the Imperial Palace, the sovereign and sole domain of the Emperor and His household at the behest and license of the Master of Mankind. Following the end of the Horus Heresy, Mankind became superstitious and fearful of the unknown, and the Silent Sisterhood was cast out by a distrustful Imperium.
So I guess they are kind of paired.
i thought they lived on earths moon though and were separate
they gather all the psykers that get fed to the emperor right?
fallow marten
Yea their main function for the past 10k years has been crewing the black ships
Wasn't till g-man hopped back that they got to get into some good combat
tulip brook
They were attached to gman's elite forces as psychic ward along with banana boys
They don't sound as bitter as custodes tho, they're happy to help
dusk patrol
They’re extremely bitter, they were super undermanned for millennia
And basically forgotten
orchid lark
Also because of their nature