#40k-lore-chat

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celest dome
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Doesn't make them fully immune to them though

tough haven
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In the farsight books the tau can still kill the khornate daemons with their guns, its just significantly harder

versed ledge
celest dome
tough haven
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farsight and brightsword is able to kill them in close combat far easier since daemons work on symbolism, and things like blades and mystic arts, are far more effective

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they say this is why big E incorporated melee fighting into human tactics so heavily

tough haven
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You fight them metaphysically far more than physically because of how the warp works with belief

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Generally speaking you have to fight fire with fire when it comes to daemons

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its hard to kill khorne daemons with anything but melee, tough to kill tzeench daemons with physical methods, and nurgle and slaneesh idk

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tzeenchian daemons will just fucking turn your bullets into bubbles and shit

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but psychic attacks seem to work well if you're skilled enough

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but that itself opens yourself up to a whole other can of worms

celest dome
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The best tool against Daemon is, and always will be knowledge, know the enemy, know it's weakness, and know your own hubris, and Daemon will never push you to your knees

tough haven
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blessed is the mind too small for doubt and all that

rose thorn
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Wrote an artifact for my space marine chapter

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Pledge of Cytax:

The official document of the Cytax system’s surrender to the Cytax Tyrants. It was Signed and sealed by the system’s governor minutes before his public execution. It is said that this artifact is protected by the souls of the two dead chapter masters who fought Cytax. Due to this superstition the First Captain of the chapter chooses to wear the document on their armor into battle. The Pledge of Cytax has yet to be damaged in battle.

rose thorn
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Nah that’s hsut what Necromunda is like lmao

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There are literal jungles of loose cables

storm jungle
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^

rose thorn
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My favorite is the oceans of sewer water

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There’s a town that sunk lie 5 times floating on the sewage lmao

dusk patrol
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Necromunda is a very wild setting

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With a lot of crazy shit

tough haven
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and?

rose thorn
rose thorn
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If I write an inquisitor I might do the minor ordos thanatos

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Who’s purpose is unknown

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Just going around ‘I am on inquisitor business’

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‘Oh what Ordo?’

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‘Thanatos’

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‘What do they do?’
‘None of your businessm

storm jungle
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Thats a pretty good running joke lmao

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Inquisitor homebrewing in general is really very fun too

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I should know I got 3 💀

crystal forum
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i couldn't tell

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so is a multi melta just two melta guns strapped together

arctic talon
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Instead of having 2 separate ones

storm jungle
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as the name implies its multiple meltas

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only the finest sci-fi naming schemes

rose thorn
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Lmao

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Melts, Multi melta, tri multi melta

storm jungle
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💀

rocky gale
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I wonder if in 40k they managed to invent silent microwaves

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So that a hungry individual in search of a late night snack need not wake the entire house

rose thorn
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I thought microwaves made sounds on purpose

rocky gale
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Then whoever decided that are a bunch of Bastards

young pecan
rocky gale
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I'd join the Tau for a silent microwave

young pecan
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The Greater Good demands naught interruption of the other dwellers' sleep yesgryn

rocky gale
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Allowing me to microwave my icecream in peace

thorn zenith
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Microwave your WHAT

rocky gale
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My ice cream

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So that it melts slightly

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and becomes the optimal soupy texture

crystal forum
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granny cream's hot butter ice cream

rocky gale
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The goal isn't to make it hot, ideally it'll still be cold, like a gazpacho

arctic talon
rose thorn
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Or forget

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Hour good

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Your food

rose thorn
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Is guilliman being trapped in his armor still cannon?

storm jungle
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Yeah it is

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gets brought up in the novels

rose thorn
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Side note

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Lion must fucking stank

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Like primach bullshit that lets him walk after a coma

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But he has NOT showered

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Lion smELl Johnson

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I apolfoize

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Wiat showers exist in 40k

storm jungle
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WHAT

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YOU ASSUMED IT DIDNT?

queen laurel
# rose thorn Wiat showers exist in 40k

if you're on the lower class of things getting yourself cleaned is probably a dream but if you're in the higher ranks basically every single necessity we can get today you can get

rose thorn
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I was like ‘oh yeah space European knights’

crystal forum
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fun fact people have always kept themselves clean

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more at eleven

rose thorn
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I’m just saying I never seen a water boiler- wit

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Wiat

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Nvm

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I’ve never seen soap in 40k

queen laurel
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they literally have a bath in the room

rose thorn
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But no soap

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Just a pool

queen laurel
rose thorn
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Except human rights

queen laurel
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The imperium can agree on that

wet sandal
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There's barely human rights in the real world regardless

plush mason
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sadly true

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kinda hard to make human rights important when all the nations tasked with enforcing them are massive violators

young pecan
unborn phoenix
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How long was sanguinis defending the eternity gate

dusk patrol
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Technically it was months since he was leading the defense on that end

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But for the famous final defense I think it was a day or two?

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Can’t remember if it’s specified in the novel the length

unborn phoenix
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So significant time to be I wouldn't say tired but more weary by the time he fights Horus probably making the fight more impressive

orchid lark
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Sanguinius And Jaghatai, aint gonna lie, those guys defended Terra tooth and nail.

dusk patrol
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His biggest issue was he got wounded bad by Angron and couldn’t recover

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It’s mentioned it likely would have never healed

orchid lark
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Dorn also, but he probably overstressed his mental strength moving shit around

dusk patrol
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And he would have never been the same if he had lived

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All the primarchs were stretching even their limits of not resting at all

orchid lark
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Cant have Sang super regenerate, he would be too OP

dusk patrol
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He does, all primarchs do, the issue was he got stabbed by the black blade through the chest

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Same reason the Khan almost died, they got hit by something even they struggle to heal from

orchid lark
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Also for a good portion of the defense he had like what, Kwisatz Haderach powers where he could see shit before it happened

unborn phoenix
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Sanguinis wounded still gave Horus a thrashing to the point he had to get juiced back up again

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And people why everyone loves him lol

dusk patrol
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He was never in any danger, he just wasn’t trying, but Sanguinius was aware he was never gonna win probably

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He just had to try regardless

unborn phoenix
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Buy time at least

orchid lark
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Yeah he wanted to fight against his assumed fate.
Thing was the Emperor wanted Sang to sit it out

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(Sorry for spoilers)

dusk patrol
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It’s the core difference between Curze and Sanguinius, Curze fights for his visions to come to pass because he needs them to, Sanguinius ties to defy them even though he knows they’re probably still gonna happen

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They’re very similar characters in a lot of ways just dark mirrored

unborn phoenix
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Another thing I found odd, I wonder if Horus figured chaos would kinda just let him have the spoils if he won

orchid lark
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There is accepting fate, but for Sang he wanted to Hope for better.

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Whats that thing Batman said to Owlman in the crisis movie?

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We both stared into the abyss, but you blinked.

unborn phoenix
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Batgoat is so cold

dusk patrol
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It’s also how Horus basically “wins” in the end and it was the Emperor endgame option

orchid lark
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I wonder what would have happened if Sang did accept the Emperors order to stay down and rest.

dusk patrol
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He basically gets Horus to realize he’s being used and let himself die

unborn phoenix
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I was more wondering how horus thought he could just rule like the emperor thinking everything is dandy while chaos laughs and plays him

orchid lark
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Would it be both Dorn and the Emperor dead on the Ship?

orchid lark
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Would Sang and Guilliman finally go toe to toe with horus on Terra

dusk patrol
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The Blood Angels falling to the Rage did a lot to save the final bastions of loyalists at the end

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It’s not clear if his survival would have made the emperor lose

orchid lark
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The Khan, Guilliman and Sang fighting with their last embers to take out Horus

dusk patrol
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Only the emperor was gonna take down Horus

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The Khan was out of action and would have died

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Guilliman would have never gotten to the surface

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Sanguinius probably would have been overwhelmed

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But we don’t know

unborn phoenix
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To be fair Horus had to make plans so that ultramarines and angels were far away when the fighting started

orchid lark
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Yeah

dusk patrol
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Since obviously it didn’t happen

orchid lark
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A lot of things to consider and knowing Black Library wouldve just gave us a bruh moment

unborn phoenix
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The angels based on pure skill probably and the marines on just overwhelming numbers

orchid lark
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“Uhhh, and the custodians opened up one of the dark vaults and sent a some macguffin monster and horus dies. The End?”

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Wouldve just tossed the book out the window

unborn phoenix
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The space wolves weren't at terra either were they?

orchid lark
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No they weren’t there either

dusk patrol
unborn phoenix
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Alpha legion BS right?

dusk patrol
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No Russ went after Horus

orchid lark
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Didnt Fenris get attacked?

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Wait how many times did Fenris get sieged

unborn phoenix
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By thousand sons but I thought that was before

dusk patrol
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With his legion, a lot died, he wounded Horus which led to the legions splitting but then they had to dip

orchid lark
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Yeah i cant rememver

dusk patrol
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Fenris has gotten attacked twice by the Tsons in 40k era

unborn phoenix
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Yeah he shanked Horus and they retreated out of the fight then Magnus attacks them like 5 times after the scouring

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Leman went on that "hunt" and left his legion to defend and what not I think

orchid lark
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Horus Heresy has its huh moments, but I aint gonna lie.
I love when legions constantly just fight again and again

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Its just slobber knocker after another

unborn phoenix
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One thing I have an issue with with the lore is like timeline events

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The way I've been learning the lore makes it seem like right as all the primarchs get found like a week later it's the heresey it's a bit confusing

orchid lark
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Its weird and they dont fucking say it, but from horus to alpharius, i think its like a century or two

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I think someone else here can pull the figures up

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And the heresy is like a century or less after the great crusade

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I’ll say this, im trying to remember how the rule books dates it.
It wont surprise me that the storybooks changed it all

unborn phoenix
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So between each primarch it's let's say a few years and then towards the heresey it's a hundred year gap

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But is the great crusade happening as he's finding them or after he finds them? It's confusing AF like I said making it seem it's happening the same week lol

orchid lark
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Give or take I cant confirm, because it could legitimately be anythinf

orchid lark
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I think, I could be wrong, Dorn was found at least 80 years before Sanguinius? Because Dorn was established and already respected, so before the trip to Terra, Dorn helped Sang with the protocol and etiquette

unborn phoenix
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So he starts the great crusade but already has alpharius on terra and only he knows, finds the other primarchs as he goes along? Once they're all gathered he takes a step back from the crusade. Fulgrim gets the blade at some point yada yadda horus gets shanked

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Am I in the right ballpark?

orchid lark
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Because we also need to understand that, the thousand sons went from 1k to about 10k in numbers

orchid lark
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Then the ullanor crusade happened

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Then thats when Emps was like good bye everyone, Horus is warmaster

unborn phoenix
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The big war with the orks happens before he finds the rest of the primarchs right? Cause that's when Horus is promoted

orchid lark
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When I say Primarchs went to terra, i dont mean at the same time, they had to go back to do some bureaucratic bullshit

unborn phoenix
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The council of nikea

orchid lark
unborn phoenix
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Ooh alright

orchid lark
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Nikaea also happens after ullanor

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But we also know

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By Ullanor, two legions are missing

unborn phoenix
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Ullanor crusade, I don't think anyone's covered that yet

orchid lark
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Fear To Tread opens with it

unborn phoenix
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I'm going off YouTubers since I don't have access to the books

orchid lark
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Fair enough

unborn phoenix
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Remembrancer and isyander and Koda are huge go to right now

orchid lark
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Let me double check the lexicanum about the timeline

unborn phoenix
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So after primarchs are gathered the Ork war happens 100 years out from the heresey and it lasts idk how long, enough for Horus to be promoted and emperor works on webway then Horus stabbed and Downfall begins

orchid lark
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About the years 29,550 the emperor works on the space marine projects

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In 792 of M.30 primarch project begins

unborn phoenix
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And around M35 is heresy?

orchid lark
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No no

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M35 is the year 34000

unborn phoenix
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Huh?

orchid lark
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Its 2024, we’re in the 3rd Millennium

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40k, is the 42nd millennium which is 41,120

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Wait let me double check

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Yeah

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Like how we say its the 21st century

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But its still under 2100

unborn phoenix
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This is fucking with my head

orchid lark
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Yeah…

unborn phoenix
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Just when I think I'm doing great I get a fat nah

orchid lark
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29,772 primarch project

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And they get scattered across the galaxy

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29,798 Great Crusade begins

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29,801, horus is found

unborn phoenix
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I guess when things happen around the primarchs it's kinda just like 10 minutes to them opposed to like 40 years

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Damn that's confusing

orchid lark
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29,981, Alpharius is found

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So just about 200 years was how long it took to find all primarchs

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180 years to be more precise

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30,000 ullanor crusade is done, and Emperor says bye bye and makes horus warmaster

dusk patrol
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Some primarchs didn’t arrive at their world until hundreds of years after others had been found

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Corax is an example

unborn phoenix
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I thought alpharius was already on Terra and emperor knew he was but told no one

dusk patrol
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They didn’t all pop out of the warp at the same time basically and were younger and had much less time to establish themselves

unborn phoenix
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Or was they omegon

dusk patrol
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Omegon wasn’t

queen laurel
dusk patrol
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I just take Head of the Hydra mostly at face value since otherwise it’s boring as fuck

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Technically you could say we don’t know if it’s accurate but

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Fuck that noise

unborn phoenix
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Didn't someone also so Horus was on his world long enough to be considered among its people and had to fake how they talk?

orchid lark
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30,004, was when horus got stabbed

dusk patrol
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Allegedly he was never on Cthonia

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But it’s not clear

orchid lark
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And the heresy officialy starys

dusk patrol
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He fakes the accent for example

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And there’s conflicting reports on them remembering him being there, he was also found almost immediately

orchid lark
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Literally 4 years after Ullanor, thats when shit hit the fan

dusk patrol
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Cthonia is very close to Terra

unborn phoenix
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Yeah that's what someone said Horus was basically found immediately

dusk patrol
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Iirc it was Horus, Russ, one of the missing primarchs, then Ferrus then Fulgrim I think?

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I’d have to check the one site

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Dorn was also early

pine wedge
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y'all think we're ever going to learn anything about the missing primarchs?

dusk patrol
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I doubt it

unborn phoenix
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Wasn't Lion found like 5th?

dusk patrol
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It’ll never be satisfying

orchid lark
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We only know “died out” and the other rebelled

pine wedge
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speaking of rebellion. is the horus heresy common knowledge in the imperium in 40k or are most citizens unaware of what happened?

dusk patrol
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He was pretty late

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Sorta

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Like in the middle

unborn phoenix
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I think the heresy is more ancient history

orchid lark
unborn phoenix
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A small group of current Marines even remember

dusk patrol
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All the loyalist primarchs are well known

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The traitors not

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Horus is known just as a traitor, the fact that there were nine traitor sons isn’t known

orchid lark
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Primarchs were the Premier Saints of the religion

dusk patrol
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All the primarchs have holidays named after them and stuff

orchid lark
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Of course now two of them are walking around

dusk patrol
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It varies how much they’re deified by populaces

pine wedge
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there's a voiceline from one of the rejects in darktide that says something like "apparently the emperor was betrayed by his own son. that must've hurt!" but said in a way that made it sound like it was new information to the reject in question that they'd only recently discovered, and evidently not in great detail

orchid lark
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I believe the Imperium at large only believes that only 9 primarchs existed

pine wedge
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obviously the darktide rejects talk about shit they shouldn't know anything about all the time

unborn phoenix
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To the imperium Guilliman returning is like Zeus actually being real to us probably

dusk patrol
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Yeah Horus is known

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The others not as much

orchid lark
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The traitor 9 arent known to them as primarchs

dusk patrol
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The Archtraitor

orchid lark
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Yeha

unborn phoenix
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I do hope we'll get more on ferrus, he was kinda there for five minutes then killed like a game of thrones character

orchid lark
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Its treat for us the players

dusk patrol
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But yeah the Heresy in general is known at a basic level

orchid lark
pine wedge
orchid lark
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In the books

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And thats it

pine wedge
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but makes sense

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the traitor legions don't have any successor chapters so that should be pretty easy to hide/forget over time

unborn phoenix
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The legion of the damned as their leader supposedly

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Thought it was just Dan theory

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Fan*

orchid lark
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But the Imperial Religion is pretty maleable to a degree, its not impossible some imperial citizens know of rhe evil primarchs

pine wedge
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ferrus manus as the leader of the legion of the damned? that's metal, I can get behind that

orchid lark
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But they just cant say their names

green loom
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The one that appears in the webway isn't him

orchid lark
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Because oooh evil

green loom
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It's also probably not the Legion

pine wedge
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haha get it. metal

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because his hands-- whatever nevermind

green loom
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People are just stupid and get confused when two things are described as vaguely similar

unborn phoenix
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There's art of the legion and the leader has a skull head if it's ferrus it makes sense since well his is gone lol

pine wedge
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ferrus as a sort of

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headless horseman primarch

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would be lit

green loom
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I don't think there's official art of those spirits on the webway lol

orchid lark
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Well his body got destroyed

dusk patrol
orchid lark
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So he cant be headless horseman

dusk patrol
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He just says he didn’t intend it to be that when he wrote it

pine wedge
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oh right fulgrim kept his head or something?

dusk patrol
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It’s left open

orchid lark
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Vulkan destroyed his body because the mechanicus tried making a frankenstein with the body

green loom
dusk patrol
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His skull was given to Horus

unborn phoenix
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There was a moment apparently when fulgrim brought Horus ferrus head and his reaction was like "dude wtf" lol

dusk patrol
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Eventually Dorn retrieved it and it was given to his legion

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It’s currently on Medusa

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Guilliman gave it to them as a thanks for accepting the codex or something

orchid lark
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Carried dead dad

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Saw dead brothers

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Had to haul dead brothers skull

dusk patrol
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He wasn’t having a good time

pine wedge
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inb4 the skull bursts into ghastly green flame and somewhere in the deep reaches of the warp, the blazing spirit of ferrus manus returns to lead the legion of the damned once more pogryn

unborn phoenix
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Dorns hand on display in a chapter fortress lol

dusk patrol
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Allegedly the spirit of Ferrus appeared on Medusa to his legion after Horus died

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And said he’d return

orchid lark
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Sanguinius coffin is awesome as fuck

unborn phoenix
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Where did dorn go anyway

pine wedge
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speaking of returning primarchs

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what's the whole corax situation? he's back as a sort of warp monster??

orchid lark
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A stasis locked coffin, in the middle of a metal lava sphere

unborn phoenix
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Corvus spawn camping lorgar

dusk patrol
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He’s just unlocked his warp ability

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And that was during the Scouring era

orchid lark
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Primarchs are warp forged, theyre never meant to be normal

dusk patrol
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Lorgar even says “it’s not a daemon”

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People just don’t read the story

pine wedge
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true, I didn't

orchid lark
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I solely believe primarchs were meant to have wings

pine wedge
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hence my question

unborn phoenix
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Not a daemon screwing up a demon prince is lovely

dusk patrol
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Not talking about you

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More others who say it on videos and shit

orchid lark
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Warp forged, must be daemons hurrr

dusk patrol
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All the stuff he does is basically just Raven Guard powers but stronger

orchid lark
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Like comment subscribe

dusk patrol
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And it’s been established all primarchs could unlock their potential if they wanted to

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Guilliman is pretty sure he can he just doesn’t want to

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There’s hints that Corax still visits Deliverance

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But it’s not clear

green loom
orchid lark
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All primarchs like Lion should have like an anti warp field

dusk patrol
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He’s never seen but obviously he can do that so

unborn phoenix
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It's believed all primarchs have some sort of like ascended ability but the traitors won't ever reach it since they gave in to chaos and the others still have the potential and corvus just kinda reached apotheosis

green loom
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It's not ascension or anything

unborn phoenix
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Idk if that's the correct word usage oh well it sounds cool like I know what I'm saying lol

green loom
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They are warpy by default

orchid lark
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Much like how the emperor can deal true death, so can the primarchs maybe

dusk patrol
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It’s just unlocking their natural potential

green loom
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They're all psykers to a degree

dusk patrol
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They’re inherently a perfect merge of physical bodies and raw warp power

orchid lark
dusk patrol
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They do some bullshit a lot

green loom
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But like, we're mostly aware lol

orchid lark
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Nah man the primarch project

unborn phoenix
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I said it was their natural potential

dusk patrol
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I think we’re all just agreeing lol

orchid lark
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They literally got made in tubes with some@paychic bullshit

green loom
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Basically

orchid lark
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Their genetic donors were PSYCHIC freaks

unborn phoenix
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Idk what the lion thing is idk if thats part of his potential or whatever

green loom
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Lion can teleport

pine wedge
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reading up on it a bit now and it seems like their physical bodies were just something that the emperor bound the warp-essence of the primarchs to, and corax managed to shed the limits of his physical body to embrace the pure warp within him?

dusk patrol
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They all can do some bullshit

dusk patrol
unborn phoenix
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Guilliman has the power of liberty tax and H&R block

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Haha

orchid lark
dusk patrol
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The main thing is they can all access that power inside them

orchid lark
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He instinctively had the ability to become anti warpy thingy

queen laurel
dusk patrol
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Even he did some wild stuff

orchid lark
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Angron naturally soothed and calmed people

dusk patrol
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Primarchs are just bullshit

orchid lark
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He had an actual aura

queen laurel
orchid lark
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Before the nails, his presence would calm the orphans to sleep

orchid lark
unborn phoenix
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Angron has the potential to be probably the best primarch but it was kinda robbed from him

dusk patrol
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Ferrus tanked direct hits from Titan and super heavy weapons on Istvaan V, Angron squated and held a war hound foot up, Vulkan sled pushed Baneblades around, Sanguinius can fly even though it makes no sense that his wings work, Dorn forces reality to calm around him during a huge warp event

queen laurel
unborn phoenix
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Peter turbos thing was like seeing into the warp and understanding how things work or whatever that is

dusk patrol
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They all cause things which cannot and should not be able to feel fear, feel fear

queen laurel
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He was genuinely in the making of a good person until you know it was robbed from him because the Galaxy is just that much of a bitch

pine wedge
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to be fair to angron, his current daemon prince form is no joke

orchid lark
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Khan genuinely moved so fast, he lived up to the name White Scar

unborn phoenix
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Id hate to be around Dorn and his inability to lie

queen laurel
orchid lark
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Custodes in 40k had to stop and stare at guilliman, they were bewildered that they were supposed to protect him

queen laurel
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Making a sword by beating the shit out of something is quite the power move

orchid lark
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When guilliman just did everything on his own

pine wedge
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mostly thinking about his ability to fly through the void unaided and tank lance shots from imperial battleships

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that was very gnarly

orchid lark
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Thats that Warp Juice babey

unborn phoenix
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Ferrus is also the one primarch to fight bare knuckle the emperor and not go down in one shot like leman

dusk patrol
pine wedge
#

did anything else come of that whole event? when khorne stood up from his throne for a moment and instantly corrupted a whole imperial crusade fleet thing including sororitas?

unborn phoenix
#

He cut the galaxy in half technically

dusk patrol
#

It corrupted the fleet but it hasnt really been advanced yet

queen laurel
#

really tells you how bonkers they are

orchid lark
dusk patrol
#

Tbh the idea of weakest primarch is a misnomer

#

He almost killed Angron after he had fought Lorgar

#

Alpharius almost kills Dorn

#

They’re all very capable of killing eachother

unborn phoenix
#

Lorgar and the alpharius omegon probably considered weakest

dusk patrol
#

Sometimes some are at a disadvantage but it’s never a set thing

#

Some are a bit better but all of them can kill eachother

dusk patrol
unborn phoenix
#

The alpha legion twin thing is weird even though you could mistake kurze and corvus as twins probably

dusk patrol
#

I believe it’s just one considering if they had to fight him how they would

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And he’s very doubtful they could

#

Which annoys him

orchid lark
dusk patrol
#

His primary thing is he doubts they would actually surprise him

#

He’s always like five steps ahead of everyone

unborn phoenix
#

They said moloch could probably fight a custodes but that's probably just hype right?

orchid lark
#

Could you fucking imagine being in the presence of something like that

dusk patrol
#

Regents Shadow showcases this well

orchid lark
#

Especially a custodes thinking that

unborn phoenix
#

No minotaurs chapter master

dusk patrol
#

Oh him

unborn phoenix
#

Space spartan lol

dusk patrol
#

The Shield Captain isn’t sure

#

We don’t get to see it though

orchid lark
#

Guilliman would pick up moloch and break his back

dusk patrol
#

But he’s uncertain if he could take him which is a big compliment

orchid lark
#

And ask whats for dinner

dusk patrol
#

From a Custodes Shield Captain

unborn phoenix
#

Id give tyberos a fair shake at a custodes but I wouldn't be surprised at a loss

dusk patrol
#

I wish Wraight had let them actually duel a bit so it wasn’t just talk

dusk patrol
#

He has one big thing he’s done

#

He’s cool but people way over place his ability based off almost no real feats

unborn phoenix
#

Wym over hyped he has like nothing on gim

dusk patrol
#

He’s not even that big, he’s a pretty average “big dude” CM

orchid lark
#

Also the idea chapter masters fight on their own

unborn phoenix
#

It's kinda annoying

orchid lark
#

Chapter Masters got gang shit

dusk patrol
#

My point is people often put him as like, this amazing fighter

#

When he’s not really done much impressive stuff

unborn phoenix
#

I mean he can slam a dreadnought fairly enough

pine wedge
orchid lark
#

Silas Alberec is hige

dusk patrol
#

He’s a head above his terminator guard

#

Which is tall

#

But he’s not that big

orchid lark
#

The guy with Ventris is huge too

dusk patrol
#

The art which floats around isn’t canon

orchid lark
#

The fat space wolf in the ragnar books too

pine wedge
dusk patrol
#

I love this art but he’s not this big

orchid lark
#

Huge Fat marines are common

#

Terminator makes space marine seem huge

pine wedge
unborn phoenix
#

You're just a hater I think

orchid lark
#

The lifesize statue GW had for a terminator was what 11ft tall?

unborn phoenix
#

Power fist, chain fist and power claws in one is the most metal shit

dusk patrol
#

I do wake up extra early to hate Tyberos overhype

#

He’s fun but

orchid lark
#

Space marines are around 8-9 ft tall?

dusk patrol
#

People over state his lore and abilities

#

He does have a great look though

unborn phoenix
#

You can say Dante over hype too

dusk patrol
dusk patrol
#

He has books where he does insanely impressive things

orchid lark
#

Silas Alberic from the Exorcists is what Ogryns were to humans

dusk patrol
#

This is fanart but it matches his description in books

unborn phoenix
#

The chapter is evidently more I won't say mutated but more changed than most and tend to be larger than most other Marines anyway

dusk patrol
#

He’s “fat” but it’s not fat

#

It’s muscle

green loom
#

Seydon from the Iron Snakes is a full meter taller than the average marine

#

So pretty fkn huge

dusk patrol
#

Seydon is just Abnett not knowing how height works tbh

#

He’s not that fucking big

green loom
#

True but still

unborn phoenix
#

Like Magnus being the tallest Primarch is cheating

orchid lark
#

4m is huge considered to 3m

queen laurel
dusk patrol
#

Abnett also made a guard dude in Gaunt’s Ghosts 9 feet tall

unborn phoenix
#

He does what his dad does and uses his magic to make him like overly huge

dusk patrol
green loom
#

He grew fat from strength

dusk patrol
#

His organs had a defect

pine wedge
dusk patrol
#

No

#

Different guy

orchid lark
#

Try again

#

Lmao

green loom
#

Average marines are strongmen, that dude is a sumo wrestler

dusk patrol
#

He says he’s 2 and a half meters tall

#

Sorry eight feet

#

And no this guy isn’t supposed to be a giant

orchid lark
#

Like a space marine

dusk patrol
#

He’s just like, a tall guardsman

orchid lark
dusk patrol
#

Abnett doesn’t know how meters work is my point

orchid lark
#

Fucking walking Cadian pylon

unborn phoenix
#

Was vulkan actually like 13ft or is someone lying

dusk patrol
#

It varies I think 14ft is possible

orchid lark
#

12 ft is definitely the average primarch height

dusk patrol
#

Hard to say though

#

Ferrus was the tallest naturally

orchid lark
#

14 was Morty no?

dusk patrol
#

Magnus was the cheatsy one

orchid lark
#

He was always described like lanky and tall

unborn phoenix
#

Vulkan by default tallest but Magnus makes himself larger

dusk patrol
#

He wasn’t

#

Ferrus was a head taller

unborn phoenix
#

Like the emperor does

orchid lark
#

Vulkan was one of the strongest

dusk patrol
#

Magnus was the tallest though

#

Because magic

#

Strongest was between Ferrus and Vulkan and it’s not clear really

unborn phoenix
#

Guilliman and lorgar are just medium height with Corvus a bit taller and kuze a bit taller than that

dusk patrol
#

Maybe Angron

orchid lark
#

Sang is the widest

dusk patrol
#

Mortarion was also extremely strong

#

Deceptively so

unborn phoenix
#

Sanguinis was stronger than angron

dusk patrol
#

Not in raw strength

unborn phoenix
#

Sanguinis knocked down a bigger titan while angron got crushed

dusk patrol
#

Sanguinius didn’t punch it down

#

He blew them up

#

Using his weapons

#

Angron squatted a Warhound stepping on him

#

Sanguinius was nuts though

unborn phoenix
#

It's a bit long and skewed but best I can dind

dusk patrol
#

So to be clear while that does seem to be fairly accurate

#

It is fan made

unborn phoenix
#

It's fairly accurate without being ridiculous

dusk patrol
#

It’s fairly close to what we know but it’s still ultimately fan made. But yeah it’s well done

unborn phoenix
#

Sanguinis gets like an extra foot because wings

dusk patrol
#

A lot of people don’t know Russ was one of the shortest

pine wedge
#

really funny that leman russ is an angry dwarf

dusk patrol
#

Basically yeah lol

unborn phoenix
#

I mean dwarf is loose term lol

celest dome
#

Magnus is cheating no ?

dusk patrol
#

He’s a lot shorter than Magnus

#

Yeah

#

But it’s how it do be

unborn phoenix
#

Dwarf for primarch standard but not people standard

pine wedge
#

magnus just does what the emperor does I assume?

#

to make himself look bigger

dusk patrol
#

Yeah biomancy

unborn phoenix
#

I always thought kurze and corvus were same height and size

dusk patrol
#

Tbh it’s murky with them

#

The middle ones we don’t know as much

unborn phoenix
#

They're basically tins

#

Twins

dusk patrol
#

We just know the tallest and shortest mostly

celest dome
#

Well not really Biomancy, just illusions, Biomancy as all other material change would still change how blanks see him

unborn phoenix
#

Peter turbo was always said to be big big compared to his legion

dusk patrol
#

Ferrus, Magnus, Vulkan, and Mortarion are specifically said to be tall

unborn phoenix
#

His armor added more size but even then he was still huge

dusk patrol
#

Alpharius/Omegon and Russ were a bit shorter

#

The rest it’s a bit murkier

unborn phoenix
#

I always thought Dorn would be way taller but he just seems to be average

pine wedge
unborn phoenix
#

I know but he's idk beefier?

dusk patrol
#

His armor is

unborn phoenix
#

You'd think angron would be larger too

dusk patrol
#

He always appeared the shortest cause he hunched

unborn phoenix
#

A lot of the primarchs armor are slim fitting like fulgrim and sanguinis or Khan

#

Angron has slim fitting armor too except that back piece and pauldrons

dusk patrol
#

Fulgrim, Curze, and Mortarion are noted to be thin or gaunt by primarch standards

unborn phoenix
#

I have like the best showing of corvus body as my phone background

#

I love I guess he's not overly huge

dusk patrol
#

Yeah he’s just average primarch build

unborn phoenix
#

Let's admire how beautiful this art is too btw lol

dusk patrol
#

Vulkan, Ferrus, Angron and Russ are examples of a bit beefier primarchs

#

Not that any of them are lacking in beef

#

And as mentioned Mortarion was always thinner and more gaunt

unborn phoenix
#

Some are better cut beef

dusk patrol
#

But Khan mentions when he blocks his hits it reminds him of Ferrus

unborn phoenix
#

With Magnus having as big muscle he has you'd think he'd be better at hand to hand but nope he's a mage

dusk patrol
#

Looks can be deceiving

dusk patrol
#

He still tears out one of his hearts

unborn phoenix
#

Yeah he pulled a game with Magnus too

#

Bane

dusk patrol
#

And Russ had doggy assist

old vine
#

Alpharius/Omegon are supposed to be the smallest of them all, right? Not thiner, but small

unborn phoenix
#

Yeah

dusk patrol
#

Absurdly big wolves

unborn phoenix
#

In the art dorn vs alpharius or omegon he's eye level with dorn

dusk patrol
#

The main thing is they often made themselves appear to be the same size as their Legonaires

#

But as soon as they turned it off it was obvious that they were primarchs

#

Their legion was also a bit taller on average apparently

unborn phoenix
old vine
#

They are deceivers, they can do that stuff

unborn phoenix
#

Here they're eye level

old vine
dusk patrol
#

It’s hard to say, the descriptions aren’t consistent but they’re not that much smaller if they are

#

People overstate how small they were, we mostly just see people seeing them with their “glamour” on

old vine
#

Yeah ofc, the height might differ in just a little bit

unborn phoenix
#

Magnus and vulkan

dusk patrol
#

Daemon princes don’t count tbh

unborn phoenix
#

Probably not accurate height comparison since that is deamon prince magnus

dusk patrol
#

Magnus could always make himself titan sized anyways

unborn phoenix
#

But I don't know if he's enhancing his height that much

old vine
#

Yup, not his original size

dusk patrol
#

Stupid cheaty nerd

old vine
unborn phoenix
#

He still got the brakes beaten by vulkan anyway I think

dusk patrol
#

Daemon princes are basically always described as way bigger than they were

#

Mortarion and Fulgrim are both a lot bigger in their new forms

#

Same with Angron

unborn phoenix
#

Angron probably being the biggest or second biggest

dusk patrol
#

He’s a beefy boy

unborn phoenix
#

Maybe the extra height is compensating for something lol

dusk patrol
#

Doesn’t compensate enough looking at his scoreboard

old vine
dusk patrol
old vine
#

Like, normal people, commanders, not astartes nor chaos

dusk patrol
#

Abnett doesn’t know how meters work

unborn phoenix
#

I use freedom units

dusk patrol
#

Legit it’s silly idk how he can’t realize it

#

He’s British he doesn’t even have the American excuse

#

Tbf though it was also early Abnett who did that stuff too

unborn phoenix
#

Lion isn't too tall either which is odd you'd think he'd be taller than at least Khan

old vine
dusk patrol
#

It wasn’t gaunt tbf it was one of the Volpone dudes

#

It’s so goofy though

#

He’s not even supposed to be like a giant

#

He’s just a tall dude

old vine
dusk patrol
#

Nah the dude under him

#

The one who wrestles with Corbec

old vine
#

Aaahh yeah

dusk patrol
#

He’s big but he’s not supposed to be like Bragg big

#

2 meters is probably reasonable ish

#

Big but not insanely big

old vine
#

Bragg is an ogryn according to Abnett lol

dusk patrol
#

He basically is

#

He’s Ghosts Harker

#

Harker is basically just a smart Ogryn, it’s hard to stress how insane carrying around a heavy bolter like he does is

#

Marines struggle with that

old vine
#

The size issues on Gaunt's fucked me up and I had to struggle not to think of Larkin as a tall af guy

unborn phoenix
#

It's weird GW doesn't go in detail for like heights and sizes if things

#

Especially titans

dusk patrol
#

They have more or less established heights now

#

But for awhile it was very inconsistent

shadow plover
#

Titans have pretty set in stone data in the Adeptus Titanicus game books

old vine
shadow plover
#

But before the current iteration of the game came out they were pretty inconsistent indeed

old vine
#

What's the real, average height of a Titan?

dusk patrol
#

Not as tall as you think

#

I don’t have to on me but it’s big but not that big

shadow plover
#

All the titans have a blueprint of them like this in the rule books

#

Better quality image

old vine
#

Ok, so big, but not a walking hive city

shadow plover
#

Oh no, never that big

unborn phoenix
#

I love the thought move of an imperator being bigger than a mountain lol

#

My love of big kaijus and robots lol

shadow plover
dusk patrol
#

Yeah I liked the BEEG goofy sizes but

#

It’s how it do be lol

shadow plover
dusk patrol
#

Still big though

old vine
#

Yup, pretty big

shadow plover
old vine
#

But not ridiculous, it is fair

shadow plover
#

Too bad Imperator doesn't have one of these

unborn phoenix
#

The warlords have that cool knight helmet look

#

And imperator have a damn church on their back

#

Just as a quick question off topic of titans are sisters of silence trained in a special way or enhanced other than just being blanks?

dusk patrol
#

They’re trained to focus their aura and use it

#

But no they’re not enhanced beyond that

#

They can make their swords ignite with a “blank” white fire for example

#

Among other things

unborn phoenix
#

Special enough to work along side custodes in the art

#

Why doesn't the emperor have a legit child the long way?

green loom
#

Too many variables?

unborn phoenix
#

I mean it would make a legit heir should anything happen

shadow plover
#

He probably felt icky about sex

unborn phoenix
#

Bruh I bet he packing a lemon Russ tank and he's gorgeous as hell why would he feel icky?

shadow plover
#

He's got that vibe

#

Probably asexual as well

unborn phoenix
#

Reproducing by budding or spores haha

shadow plover
#

Well he did make test tube babies instead

unborn phoenix
#

I don't want to say something to get a language warning lol

#

So guess he just had tubes of gene syrup sitting around?

celest dome
unborn phoenix
#

What

celest dome
#

Sensei, in 40k, those are the descendent of the Emperor

storm jungle
#

👑

unborn phoenix
#

Never heard of it before then again there's a lot I don't know

dusk patrol
#

Oh wait nvm someone mentioned them already

unborn phoenix
#

The king in yellow or whatever?

storm jungle
#

no thats a custodian

#

they just said Sensei above

dusk patrol
#

The King in Yellow is supposedly Valdor but yeah Sensei were this old plot of the emperors kids

unborn phoenix
#

I thought king in yellow was an HP Lovecraft thing

storm jungle
#

It is

dusk patrol
#

It is

storm jungle
#

Abnett is just unoriginal

#

and a hack

dusk patrol
#

40k is steeped in Lovecraft

storm jungle
#

40k is also an expert in stealing names from very popular copyright free media

#

the Chaos symbol is not even a warhammer thing

celest dome
unborn phoenix
dusk patrol
#

Dope fanart

#

He also did one of Horus and Sanguinius

unborn phoenix
#

Sanguinis is like this looks important lol

celest dome
#

Not Kentucky though, I like her fantasy books

storm jungle
#

shes great

dusk patrol
#

Which doesn’t work cause he’s using his spear which he didn’t have we know now

#

But it is still well done

unborn phoenix
#

The art where sanguinis is slipping and is going to impale Horus with the spear?

dusk patrol
unborn phoenix
#

Yeah that one

#

Metal as fuck

dusk patrol
#

Love the eyes

unborn phoenix
#

Like he's slipping into black rage

storm jungle
#

Hopefully we get some more art of Sanguinius getting the shit beaten out of him soon

dusk patrol
#

Also the lack of luster and stuff

unborn phoenix
#

A sanguinis hater? Didn't think that was possible

storm jungle
#

I dont like primarchs

dusk patrol
#

Dilara hates fun

unborn phoenix
#

Cringe

dusk patrol
#

It is known

storm jungle
#

so no

dusk patrol
#

Proof?

unborn phoenix
#

Peter turbo is a man baby

storm jungle
dusk patrol
#

Those sound like minor side characters for primarchs to stomp tbh

storm jungle
#

They do that enough ot themselves

celest dome
storm jungle
dusk patrol
#

But yeah I enjoy primarchs but there’s other stuff

#

Lots of stuff to enjoy in 40k

storm jungle
#

Primarchs have more or less bluntly poisoned the setting tbh

#

everywhere you go its just them

#

and ı say this as a 12 year long fan lol

celest dome
storm jungle
#

LOL

#

yeah if you want that go play the SM game

dusk patrol
#

I think the fanbase makes it about them I disagree that they really even show up that much, even in super recent lore

unborn phoenix
#

I feel tyranids are a cop out

celest dome
dusk patrol
#

At most we get “Guilliman told so and so to go do this” for most recent things

storm jungle
dusk patrol
#

Well most of the fanbase doesn’t read this stuff really

unborn phoenix
#

Regular space marines make more showing than the actual primarchs

#

Especially for ferrus

dusk patrol
#

And have shit takes on everything

storm jungle
#

And yet they are still everywhere

#

so it doesnt really matter

dusk patrol
#

It’s like Krieg memes and shit

storm jungle
#

Id go to a lore thread and rather not see a primarch question constantly

#

like lets see hm

#

heres one, lierally 2 posts down

#

lol

#

Aaaand another

dusk patrol
#

I agreed people hyperfocus on them but that’s just the fanbase being the fanbase, it’s full of dumbasses or whatever

storm jungle
#

Primarchs/Marines are basically the Jedi of the setting so that checks out

unborn phoenix
#

Kurze is an awful example to use

dusk patrol
#

It doesn’t mean the setting reflects that, arguably the setting rarely reflects what the fan base hyper focuses on

unborn phoenix
#

He's fucked in the head

dusk patrol
#

People talk about stuff like Clonegrim like they matter

storm jungle
#

All the Primarchs are tbh

#

they are literally genocidal warlords KEKW_ogryn

#

some just act cooler than others

#

so you just pick your coat of paint

unborn phoenix
#

Corvus set off one nuke

#

I wouldn't call him genocidal

storm jungle
#

Hes also suppose to be a liberator

#

yet serves a literal fascist war machine

#

hes definitely a hypocritical Captain Genocide lol

unborn phoenix
#

You hate just to hate cause it's cool

dusk patrol
#

They’re all quite genocidal

storm jungle
dusk patrol
#

Some more than others

storm jungle
#

I read 40 heresy books

#

I kinda know about this subject

chilly palm
#

Dilara jealous cause she aint a tall bio engineered demi god in armour fr fr fr

storm jungle
#

😔

dusk patrol
#

Got eat more chicken and broccoli smh

unborn phoenix
#

I'd kill to be a demingod in armor

storm jungle
#

this is what primarch brain rot looks like 💀

dusk patrol
#

It’s a power fantasy

storm jungle
#

Horus had the right idea

dusk patrol
#

It’s fun on a surface level

#

Same reason our dumbasses fantasize about fighting in World War II or some shit

unborn phoenix
#

I can say the same about tyranids

storm jungle
#

💀

storm jungle
#

They got their own fanbase like anyone

unborn phoenix
#

An unstoppable tide that evolves to every and consumed everything and it's hopeless

#

How is that fun

storm jungle
#

because space bugs are cool

#

lol

celest dome
#

As bad as being in 40k must be, and as bad as being a Psyker is, I think that's what I would prefer to be in said setting

dusk patrol
#

Its just what some people like

unborn phoenix
#

Exactly

chilly palm
#

Cause the bug goes

#

ROOOOAAARRRR

#

GRRAAHHHH

#

and thats dope as fuck

unborn phoenix
#

I like the space marines and the primarchs leave it be

#

Brain rot my ass

storm jungle
#

Probably because I don't get Tyranids shoved in my face constantly over the span of a decade in a long overrated book series.

#

But hey what do I know eh?

chilly palm
#

NOTHING

storm jungle
#

AUGHH-

dusk patrol
#

Tbf Nids do show up a lot

chilly palm
#

L bozo

celest dome
#

Liking SM isn't wrong, but trying to push SM everywhere is where it become wrong, ad became a sore spot for most of the community

storm jungle
#

^

#

You are allowed to talk about space marines/primarchs but dont make it seem like they are this integral part to the setting

chilly palm
#

No no no, it was the tau who ruined the setting guys!

storm jungle
#

AUHGHHH-

#

⚰️

green loom
#

It's like going into a star wars community and having mandalorians/clones shoved into everything

storm jungle
#

Mandalorians suck btw

dusk patrol
#

Just being real, space marines weren't made in absense of xenos books, same with models, they were made to pay for them. Authors have talked about how xenos books didn't sell, no one wanted to write them. Even the book series.

unborn phoenix
#

Mandalorian are just space cowboys

dusk patrol
#

Recently GW has made more of a push for certain factions.

chilly palm
#

The tau ah...ruined the setting because.....blue

dusk patrol
#

But marine models pay for everyone elses risks.

#

Its how it do be.

unborn phoenix
#

Tau space commies

storm jungle
green loom
#

It's not inherently a bad thing because it's profitable and lets other stuff happen that's otherwise too risky

#

But their fans are atrocious

storm jungle
#

^

#

lol

#

and do not hit me with the

#

"all 40k factions have bad fans" thing

#

I literally banned more dudes here who are literal fascists with space marine pfps than anyone else

#

well I say "I"

celest dome
#

I don't think I've seen any bad Eldar fan tbh

green loom
#

I mean they do but there's probably more toxic BT fans than toxic xenos fans in general

unborn phoenix
#

I like the chaos guys too except maybe grandfather cause well nasty

storm jungle
#

well I say "I" more like half the mod team

dusk patrol
#

I've run into plenty of insufferable fans from all factions in my time so I don't recall care either way, people who suck suck.

storm jungle
#

none of the other factions go about shit like genocide being good

#

or that fascism is necessary

#

I also say this as an old timer granny fan lol

dusk patrol
#

I'm not really interested in going down this dialogue tree again ngl, my point is that marine sell and ultimately are why we're getting all this other stuff now.

storm jungle
#

I mean okay so?

#

Them selling well is like saying rain is wet

chilly palm
#

so shut up!

storm jungle
#

we all know KEKW_ogryn

storm jungle
chilly palm
#

Stupid!

celest dome
unborn phoenix
#

The nekrons are cool too

storm jungle
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Ron with the Neck

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👔

unborn phoenix
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Weapons that destroy at the cellular level op AF though

chilly palm
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40k would be better if the humans all died already

storm jungle
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No thats real life

chilly palm
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so the KROOT can take over

storm jungle
chilly palm
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KROOT SWEEP BABBYYYY

unborn phoenix
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Bring back the krorks

chilly palm
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Nah Dilara FUCK you. Life would be worse without people

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cause then my homies wouldn't be around

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and I like those guys

storm jungle
unborn phoenix
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When humans hate humans the most in fiction

storm jungle
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"fiction"

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Haha

chilly palm
unborn phoenix
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The type of people to get a Superman logo tattoo on their face

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Could Warhammer fantasy take place on a 40k feudal world?

normal light
dusk patrol
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It could I guess but it doesn't.

normal light
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Magic systems are different

dusk patrol
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Its its own thing

green loom
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Oh we're going through the script again?

dusk patrol
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Yes

normal light
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Gods are different

dusk patrol
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We need a bot for these conversations

storm jungle
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It would also kinda remove the specialness of Warhammer Fantasy

unborn phoenix
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Script?

normal light
storm jungle
dusk patrol
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Too much

green loom
# unborn phoenix Script?

There's a very predictable "New person pattern" that I've only really noticed among new 40k fans specifically

unborn phoenix
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Oh idk

dusk patrol
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Its not a bad thing its just

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How it do be

green loom
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Yeah it just gets old a bit lmao

dusk patrol
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Actually no it is a bad thing, you should be ashamed

unborn phoenix
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I did only get into it late last year like middle last year

normal light
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Basically both Universes have their own sets of rules which don`t apply one to another

dusk patrol
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You bring dishonor on your house, your dojo, your cow

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Shame

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Shame

queen laurel
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yeah

dusk patrol
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Shame

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🔔

queen laurel
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it's absolutely quite ***** to make him work

green loom
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I'm fairly sure I could make a comprehensive FAQ that covers 90% of the convos here and it'd only be like 4 pages of "People are stupid"

unborn phoenix
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Calling me stupid cause I'm new?

dusk patrol
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"No kriegers don't use shovels as a melee weapon most of the time"

green loom
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No

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?

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I'm saying there's lots of misconceptions that are fed to new people because people are dumb and can't read

dusk patrol
normal light
storm jungle
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When you call tau communists it kinda shows.

unborn phoenix
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I didn't see any memes about it

green loom
queen laurel
# unborn phoenix Calling me stupid cause I'm new?

We are just saying that a lot of people that are quite dumb come here often thinking about stuff they know more about warhammer even though we have like a fan here who's been in this setting for like 12 ******* years

green loom
queen laurel
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Trust me you are doing pretty well compared to like 90% of *** **** insects we have encountered here

unborn phoenix
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Feel free to stop being a hateful ass dilara

dusk patrol
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There's just like, a lot of misinformation which gets peddled is the main thing.

normal light
queen laurel
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yeah

normal light
storm jungle
dusk patrol
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Krieg is an easy one to pick at.

unborn phoenix
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Before I got into 40k I never saw any memes only like fan animation stuff of kriegsmen

green loom
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It's majorly just casual imperium fans shitting on other factions with reductive nutshell descriptions

storm jungle
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Also that yeah

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not like anyone cares KEKW_ogryn

dusk patrol
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People don't read, its how it do be

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The Corax thing is a super easy litmus test

unborn phoenix
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I played vermintide 2 way back but had no clue what Warhammer was

green loom
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Sorry I forgot the two chaos fans who have unironic chaos shrines in their homes

storm jungle
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Based.

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Paganism 🙏

dusk patrol
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Community: "Corax is back as a daemon prince!"

Source: Logar said "Its not a daemon."

unborn phoenix
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Then I started watching lore vids from 40k theories

storm jungle
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You forgot to add the part that people think Lorgar is a useless pant-shitter whos deathly scared of Corax.

celest dome
normal light
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Or common misconception about Orkz that just thin stuff is working and it`s works

green loom
dusk patrol
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Or that Corax is somehow still going after him 10,000 years later.

storm jungle
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Something-something

queen laurel
storm jungle
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Rylanor

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Ancient of Memes

dusk patrol
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Oh yeah Orks gesalt field

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That one is by far

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The worst

unborn phoenix
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Then I went to wes hammer and major kill

storm jungle
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oof

queen laurel