40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

did you see the add on content

[celest dome]

Not sure

[crystal forum]

i would legit buy the game on sale just for the add ons

[celest dome]

Noted

[crystal forum]

if there's one thing capcom does very well it's making a game replayable

[rose thorn]

Wasting ink in the imperium is a crime apparently?

[storm jungle]

Ink?

oh wasting it LMAO

[rocky gale]

Damn, that's a tough thing to check with google, all the results are trying to sell inks and paints

[storm jungle]

Its that + they prefer using ink/animal hide even synthetic ones to store information

since its safer than digital means like computers

[rose thorn]

The guy with bad hand writing about to become a servitor for his crimes against ink:

[storm jungle]

😔

[rose thorn]

Aka me

Imagine become a servitor for chewing on your pen

[normal light]

Wait, no I don’t want to

Sorry for spending that ink, but I didn’t know it was so valuable

[regal grail]

41st millennium equivalent of getting pumped full of adderall for not being able to sit still in 3rd grade

[brisk agate]

Imagine becoming a Eversor assassin because you chewed your pen

[tough haven]

And look where that got them

[crystal forum]

a lot of money

while stripping away the creators from their work

we'll never get a conclusion to the franchise but hey flashy graphics

the lead writer of 3 said in an interview that the plans for dead space 4 would have been for isaac to go around space in a ship doing stuff because earth is dead

every now and then i revisit dead space 1 to notice all the details and quirks

god it's just such a good game

[storm jungle]

A pretty successful remake + even more interest in a franchise thats been dead for years.

[tough haven]

Oh I forgot about the remake of one

[storm jungle]

The amount of moaning around "its gonna be so bad" aged pretty badly so 💀

[crystal forum]

nobody moaned about it

[tough haven]

My brain was stuck on 3 as the last one

[storm jungle]

A lot of people did

literally the whole internet

[crystal forum]

nobody gave a shit about dead space after 3

i dont look at twitter

[storm jungle]

They have

[tough haven]

What is it with 3rd games and being awful

[storm jungle]

like you know

all the dead space fans

[crystal forum]

there were very few of them

[storm jungle]

Too big for their own good and studio interference or too broad of a vision

[tough haven]

Do they use lose the last semblances of their souls?

[crystal forum]

because again, the franchise died with a wimper

[storm jungle]

And the remake breathed new life into it

while the O.G creators of dead space went to make callisto protocol

and uh

we all know how that ended

[tough haven]

But I for one love the dead space universe and would gladly see it come back

[storm jungle]

Same.

[crystal forum]

the third game was changed a lot by EA because they expected it to not make much money which it did

[storm jungle]

The aesthetic of DS is so good

literally just industrial brutalism + ribs

[tough haven]

Got rid of what made dead space good

[storm jungle]

Its literally just

Dead Space 1 but awful

[crystal forum]

schofield didn't do shit for dead space

[tough haven]

When will companies learn, once something becomes popular, don’t completely fucking rework it, tweak and improve systems as needed, add new systems that compliment existing ones, but don’t reinvent the wheel

[crystal forum]

that's the same kind of marketing as left 4 dead creators being involved in back 4 blood

it's complete horseshit

[tough haven]

Just let the studios do what they’ve been doing without excessive oversight

[storm jungle]

Thats easier said than done.

You will get noticed eventually

[tough haven]

Yeah I know, but if their overarching companies let game studios make they’re own decisions

[storm jungle]

Theres a difference between the main guy behind the game and just "heres random studio workers from L4D1, a game we didnt even help that much in making"

so lol

[crystal forum]

he was not "the main guy"

[tough haven]

There’s few times that come to mind where a company reaching in and altering a bunch of shit that people enjoyed was a good idea

[storm jungle]

EA has been doing that to murder studios for years now

and has gotten away with it every time

it doesnt matter unfortunately

[rocky gale]

His wiki page says he's the creator of Dead Space

[storm jungle]

Apparently not lol

[crystal forum]

damn that's nice but does it say what he did?

[tough haven]

I’m not sure what went wrong with back for blood and Callisto because ideologically I’m all for makers of abandoned franchises recovering them in a new form

[storm jungle]

also the executive producer, you can find interviews from back in the day of him talking about almost half the aspects of the DS1 in some videos

[tough haven]

Is it to intentionally murder the studio?

[storm jungle]

Yes lmao

EA is literally evil

[crystal forum]

schofield took all the credit for his writers

[tough haven]

Cause wouldn’t they stand to gain more money otherwise?

[storm jungle]

Business people arent smart

unfortunately

[tough haven]

You don’t have to tell me that, it just seems financially irresponsible

[crystal forum]

project directors tend to receive a lot of unearned fame

[tough haven]

Like if you’re gonna be an evil megacorp at least be a rich evil megacorp

[storm jungle]

Back 4 Blood actively advertised itself as a L4D killer and paid the price by having nothing L4D did.

Callisto is just meanwhile a bad game that tries to seem like DS1 but is just a worse version of it.

Its not too complex of a subject for the most part

[crystal forum]

not to mention glen didnt do shit for dead space 2 which is wack

[tough haven]

If you have to market your game as the “X killer” then it’s not gonna kill it

[storm jungle]

Also the fact that a game from 2009 just being better than yours and not having the guts to accept that was a bit

Crowbarcat made a great video on it

[tough haven]

Just make your game better, and then let that speak for itself

[crystal forum]

if you want an example of a project lead who deserves fame look at tim cain

[tough haven]

Simplicity and nostalgia almost always win out

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/EdRLNUGmFC8

[crystal forum]

example of how dumb the internet can be

[tough haven]

I wonder why exactly Callisto is a bad game, I can feel it, but can’t articulate it

[storm jungle]

Its just not a good game

Like, the gameplay is bad, the characters are bad, the story is bad, etc

theres videos that go into it in detail, but thats the gist of it

[crystal forum]

damn if glen made dead space on his own then surely it must have been good

anyways nobody's calling dead space remake bad

[storm jungle]

People have.

[crystal forum]

the dead space fans are long gone

[storm jungle]

They arent?

[rocky gale]

There's plenty of Dead Space fans

[storm jungle]

yeah what are these claims lol

[crystal forum]

the amount of people it brought to the franchise vastly outnumber the original people

[storm jungle]

Okay so?

Dead Space fans are still around

[crystal forum]

could you let me talk

[storm jungle]

???

[rocky gale]

[crystal forum]

twitter and its consquences

[storm jungle]

Its not twitter, christ lol

its the general public perception, dead space fans got defensive because a remake can be just awful most of the time.

[tough haven]

Im not surprised the remake did well

[storm jungle]

There was literally nitpicks over half the things showcased by the demos and such, and people were worried since DS1 is just perfect

[tough haven]

Ds1 was always good and it’s not hard to just… not fuck it up

[rose thorn]

Time to write characters for my chapter

[crystal forum]

I've been in several dead space groups ever since 2 came out. i saw them die myself. this is a straight up fact that barely anybody cared about the franchise anymore after 8 years

[tough haven]

But they even managed to improve it

[storm jungle]

They did the right thing when doing it

AKA literally change almost nothing, improve on stuff the original game didnt do well (aka just basic gameplay quirks etc), flesh out the story just slightly, and thats kind of it.

[tough haven]

Unlike many remakes

[storm jungle]

Basically that yeah

[rose thorn]

Probably will do my chapter champion first since they are the like icon of the chapter

[tough haven]

They always do too little or way too much

[storm jungle]

remakes are not hard to make when you actually care about the product

Yeah like

Compare the DS1 remake to the RE4 one lol

[rose thorn]

Oh we talking about remakes?

[crystal forum]

DS1 is definitely not perfect

it stinks of late 2000's high budget slop

[rose thorn]

Didn’t people complain about graffiti that was literally in the first game

[storm jungle]

I wouldnt really call it "slop"

it was pretty good even for the time

[storm jungle]

YUP

[tough haven]

Whoah, so your telling, when you actually care about your product as a piece of art and give it a soul, it does better?!?!? Crazy foreign concept for game companies

[storm jungle]

also dont forget the gender neutral bathrooms lol

like WHO GIVES A SHIT

[crystal forum]

it defined itself by its jumpscares which have gotten pretty dated at this point

[storm jungle]

Nah

[rose thorn]

Reminds me about people complaining that the alien movies were edited to be feminist

[storm jungle]

the jumpscares in the game are done well and deserve the buildup

its not overdone like most horror games

[crystal forum]

every time you turn around and see an enemy it's LOUD NOISE

[tough haven]

True

[storm jungle]

Damn

its like Necromorphs are literally violent flesh monsters or something

💀

[tough haven]

The constant vent grade smacking the ground when it climbs through it does get old

[rose thorn]

Idk much about dead space tbh but I love the art style

[storm jungle]

Its artstyle is very good

[rose thorn]

I’m a sucker for non organic stuff looking organic

[storm jungle]

and pretty unique to the setting surprisingly

[crystal forum]

back in the day jumpscares were like 90% of horror games which god damn got old for me

[tough haven]

I like it’s style and it’s lore in universe

[rose thorn]

I can’t remember his name but the art designer of alien

[tough haven]

Part of why I like 40ks warp

[storm jungle]

Geiger?

[rose thorn]

Yea

His shit is nutty

[storm jungle]

I mean he basically inspired the entire tyranid range

so lol

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[crystal forum]

the thing with xbox 360 era graphics is they had a chunky look because of graphical constraints

[rose thorn]

I need nids but I’m too poor

[storm jungle]

💀

[crystal forum]

i really like that chunky look

like gears of war

[tough haven]

Props though for keeping the vent scares a bit less predictable, you can’t always see one and think “one’s gonna come out of that”

[rocky gale]

The best time to collect Nids was after the Leviathan box came out and all the Space Marine chuds were selling off the Tyranids that came in the box for dirt cheap

[rose thorn]

They still are lmao

[storm jungle]

LOL

[crystal forum]

the best part of dead space is how it gets to the fucking point and there's very little dialogue

[storm jungle]

Space Marines getting fucked and Nids getting the first release spot was glorious honestly.

ESPECIALLY as the Nid players won the campaign with much more shitty stats.

no idea how they did it

[tough haven]

So true

It’s just all content

[crystal forum]

i miss that era of games so fucking much

[tough haven]

No huge build up for very little payoff

[crystal forum]

wdym there's a huge payoff

[rocky gale]

and like 300 points less in models as well if I remember right.

[crystal forum]

the ending is the best ending ever

[rose thorn]

I would write nids but I would need to decide what bug to paint them as

[tough haven]

Don’t get me wrong, I love character building and dialogue, but it doesn’t need fucktons of cutscenes

[crystal forum]

no sappy story, just boom done

[tough haven]

Nonono

[rose thorn]

I’m becoming an entomologist in college so I know that I will go insane

[storm jungle]

the Primaris the Nid players were going against were like super busted iirc

it was like fighting in a rigged boxing match

[tough haven]

I mean in games with a ton of nothing happening with lots of build up, and then the reveal sucking

[crystal forum]

yep modern gaming

comic book movies and their consequences

[rocky gale]

The Balistus Dread wasn't fantastic at first it got buffed later into being good, but the Infernus and Terminators were pretty good.

[tough haven]

Like if I wanna replay a game, don’t make there so much unnecessary narrative stuff where I stop wanting to replay the game because I simply don’t want to sit through it again

[rose thorn]

Idk what gimmick is give my nids either

[storm jungle]

Nids are pretty hard in that regard

[tough haven]

Shapeshifting? Idk what nid gimmicks have been done before

I don’t do nids much

[crystal forum]

wolfenstein new colossus making you watch the entry cutscene every time you die on the hardest difficulty

[rose thorn]

Nids take colors amazingly but fuck they are hard to write

[tough haven]

But I like massive overrarching horror threats

[rose thorn]

I need to coop with my friend with their chapter

[tough haven]

Like dead space

[crystal forum]

prey is a good game. i just need to say that

[tough haven]

Shit like this

[rose thorn]

Write out stuff at the same time*

[storm jungle]

Wolfenstein is literally a story heavy game

[tough haven]

Such a good game, but a lot of stuff at the beginning to get through

[storm jungle]

so bad example

[tough haven]

Fair

[rose thorn]

Also prey was extremely story heavy game, both prey

Well extremely as in

[crystal forum]

wasnt the original prey dog shit

[rose thorn]

Pretty

[rose thorn]

No it’s heat

Great+

[tough haven]

I wanna replay RT but there’s so much stuff to get through at the beginning

[storm jungle]

Just skip every dialogue

it kinda speeds it up

kinda

[tough haven]

Yeah but I can tolerate it as it gets to the point faster

[rose thorn]

And was only slightly racist compared to other games with Native American characters

[queen laurel]

yeah and the dark eldar area is still shit

[crystal forum]

fallout new vegas actually giving a shit about native american history

and making it cool

[young pecan]

Mfw the four second long bar that I need to hold enter to skip the cutscene for someone slowly walking towards me changes almost nothing because the animation is almost done anyway

[rose thorn]

Shame no one picked up on the great khans not being bandits

Like

NCR ball suckers are so annoying about the khans

[young pecan]

Joshua, put a cap in General Gobbledigook here

[crystal forum]

but fallout bethesda big guns go bang bang

[tough haven]

Surprised no one modded that out

Like in Skyrim

[queen laurel]

yeah but it's also a game that being racist allows you to deal extra damage

[crystal forum]

big guns? bang bang? wow!

[rose thorn]

To be fair that’s pretty fallout

[queen laurel]

therefore it is good

[tough haven]

Just letting you pick from a bunch of options so you can still have the story impacts from the opening

[rose thorn]

Also being an anarchist makes you deal more damage against capitalists

[queen laurel]

i mean literally being bisexual also allows you to deal extra damage so funny

[crystal forum]

it also lets you be bisexual in 2010

[rose thorn]

Pan sexual gaming

[tough haven]

Realistic

[crystal forum]

wanna know an actually fun fact

[storm jungle]

Being a discord mod?

[queen laurel]

breaking news a bisexual racist anarchist somehow makes the wasteland visibly better

[crystal forum]

tim cain, the original creator of fallout, is gay

so take that normies

[rose thorn]

Ceasers legion getting fuckinh destroyed

Also I like how all factions are pretty fucking shitty in the end of things

[crystal forum]

he also has a youtube channel where he talks about game design

[young pecan]

It feels like this sentence implies bisexuality to be an evil quality

[storm jungle]

New Vegas stays winning

[gray umbra]

Man/woman with severe brain damage takes over robots and rules over las vegas

[storm jungle]

A man chooses

something-something

golf club

[gray umbra]

Plasmids

[storm jungle]

[tough haven]

I mean, grimdark is grimdark

[young pecan]

Independent ending is by far the best if courier is high intelligence and a good person

[queen laurel]

decided to take things into my own hand hands most of the time because yes man is yes man https://youtu.be/iwBatWhmLAU?si=VETUpaJHSBxBDl4m

[crystal forum]

https://www.youtube.com/@CainOnGames
i know none of you care but i think his advice is pretty good

[storm jungle]

NCR is the one I dont mind much because its pretty much your basic human society (with all the awful things in it)

the Legion are just space marine fans

[rose thorn]

Remember, sexual assault doenst make your setting deep and grim

[gray umbra]

Woman with brain damage tracks down man who shot her, sleeps with him instead

[young pecan]

Say it louder for the Goblin Slayer fans in the back

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/benny-fallout-fallout-new-vegas-what-in-the-goddamn-confusion-gif-24924085

[rose thorn]

This was targeted at several things

[young pecan]

(I can't believe I used to be one of them)

[queen laurel]

i will tear down the NCR and get turned into a terrorist if it means i can shoot general oliver in the mouth

[tough haven]

Anyone mind if I spiral off into talking about a game that I enjoy but for all intents and purposes should be really dogshit (and I guess arguably is)

[gray umbra]

I think we do that in general

[tough haven]

Absolutely has nothing to do with the topic or this server or channel

[storm jungle]

give it here

[rose thorn]

I sided with Mr house first time, I think he is the best for the wasteland but only his wasteland

[tough haven]

Just wanted to get consent before infodumping lol

[young pecan]

Zealot chat talked about nothing bu Baldur's Gate 3 when it came out for like a month

Go for it

[rose thorn]

Also like 3 caps for a gallon of water? Fuck yeah

[rocky gale]

Siding with Caesars Legion as a woman is always funny

"I won you New Vegas, can I have rights now?"

"We made a coin with your face on it"

[queen laurel]

he doesn't care it's just that his plans coincidentally affected the wasteland in a positive way

[tough haven]

alright, gimme a bit, I'll sporadically post it as I get to loading screens/parts I can type safely

[queen laurel]

he literally kicked out the kings

if you don't prove them to be loyal to him

[rose thorn]

Yeha but basically anyone that doesn’t work for him gets obliterated

[young pecan]

Same thing as siding with Stormcloaks as a dark elf in Skyrim, they're literally like "Wait wha- I mean, uh.. yeah... sign here and here"

[storm jungle]

Caesar also gave us the best retort to any question someone can ask and you can use against them:

"It's Hegelian dialectics. Not personal animosity."

Gives you just enough window to leave them confused in a "wtf" state as you walk away like an NPC

[rose thorn]

It’s a fair, but not humane society

[rose thorn]

LmaO

[queen laurel]

just like in real life

[rose thorn]

Real life isn’t fair lol

[queen laurel]

it is most of the time

[arctic talon]

The NCR’s biggest sin as a faction is being an inefficient bureaucracy

Which is

Not the worst

[storm jungle]

yeah but they got cool outfits

so that makes them morally correct

[queen laurel]

No because they employ the use of taxes and killing everyone that disagree with them

[rose thorn]

Also lone some road’s entire point is that all the factions are Terrible and will fail due to the greatest sin of man

[young pecan]

So-called "independent free thinkers" when cooler ranger suit

[rose thorn]

CAPITALISM

[arctic talon]

The legion and House also have taxes

The taxes argument is goofy

[queen laurel]

the legion is the worst, i cannot believe people will agree to a faction that treats women worse than a warhammer fan ( being sarcastic i 100% believe they do )

[arctic talon]

Legion is fun to be comically evil

Tbh

[queen laurel]

ohh yeah if you want to feel truly evil

[arctic talon]

But the thing feels like it’s gona implode at the drop of a dime

[queen laurel]

That's your shot

[rose thorn]

I’ve met more NCR fascists than CL tbh

[young pecan]

Oh god this conversation reminded me of how in like every Youtube comment section of FNV videos there are people unironically, GENUINELY bootlicking the Legion and how it would be a perfect society

[arctic talon]

Lmao

[rocky gale]

Legion is fun for Rome LARP, but yea they suck. Were probably the faction that were hit the worst by all the cut content

[arctic talon]

I would have liked to see the original intact story for FNV

Since there was also gona be a followers of the apocalypse ending

[storm jungle]

Your average Legion fan is about as brainless as Imperium apologists.

[rose thorn]

Their point’s are completely undone by their entire thing, they are the easiest to shut down in any argument about the NV politics

[tough haven]

Alright so I'm gonna start off with a disclaimer, this game is on roblox, but I like its lore and worldbuilding, and if roblox coding skills werent exclusive to the platform, I think the team could have made it into a decent game on a more legitimate platform

[queen laurel]

they give warhammer fans a run for their money

[storm jungle]

[gray umbra]

ngl - i dont like the legion because they dont wear pants

🙂

[arctic talon]

I personally don’t see much upside for legion runs aside from Roman LARP/being evil

[rocky gale]

To be a true Legion fan is to accept that Caesar has less Int than a Molerat

[rose thorn]

I like their design, it’s neat

[plush mason]

the NCR's whole identity is "rebuild America of old"

[tough haven]

I love how people that vouch for those societies would 100% be the first to die

[rose thorn]

They are really fun in wasteland warfare

[arctic talon]

Snuffles is a genius

[gray umbra]

vulpes inculta monologuing about legion stuff at nipton

"haha this guy doesnt wear pant"

[queen laurel]

post apocalyptic Romans are quite the drip I will admit

[arctic talon]

I’ve never played it before

[rose thorn]

You trade your ability to use drugs and power armor for insane melee

[arctic talon]

I shot him in my first play through

[rose thorn]

And drugs are really good in wasteland warfare

Especially in battle mode

In settlement mode they are a bit worse

[arctic talon]

I also shot the guy bragging about the lottery win

[queen laurel]

I mean in fallout my character pumps enough drugs into them that they turn into a wrecking machine then yeah I believe that

[arctic talon]

I am

Not sure what I was doing that play though ngl

[queen laurel]

Yeah that guy was quite off the rails because he survived the worst lottery in the planet that time

[rose thorn]

I wish the powder gangers had more like

[queen laurel]

Lucky him but unluckier for him I was around

[rose thorn]

Anything

They are kinda pointless and die in every ending

[arctic talon]

Woe of cut content

[gray umbra]

a lot of the raider gangs had a lot of cut content symptoms

[queen laurel]

you can convince the ones in the vault to surrender

But the ones in the prison

ehI don't know

I always kill them

[arctic talon]

Kind of funny that the West coast BHOS mostly going “native” is like never brought up

[rose thorn]

They get attacked by the NCR in every ending and baiscally disburse

Maybe if you side with ceaser they don’t die? I don’t temper

Remember

[queen laurel]

The ones in the vault can be convinced to surrender

But after that not much you can do

[arctic talon]

I think they die still via the legion

[rose thorn]

I think they get sieged by the legion instead

Lol

[queen laurel]

The legions were going to stab the khan

What do you think they will do on a group of gangs that use a few explosives?

probably a lot worse

[rose thorn]

I do everything in my power to make the khans and coa make their Idaho empire

(I’m from Idaho I’d love fallout Idaho)

[arctic talon]

Yeah they crucify the gangers who don’t run away

[queen laurel]

yeah the khan's are incredibly tough

surviving multiple massacres against them

earned my respect enough to let them leave

[rose thorn]

Actually they are separate, after fallout 2 the khans became a bunch of different tribes

The great khans, the khans, and one mroe in lore

I can’t remember

I wanna say bloody khans?

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/szcaq2GdOAs?si=YfRAqDM72lzl43Ur I don't know much about fallout 2 but this one I know much

[bold wren]

Fallout?

[rose thorn]

Fr

[arctic talon]

I love the Enclave infiltration

It’s also the fastest way to get power armor

Iirc

[queen laurel]

Probably the best one you can get to the enclave having the best ones I recall

because you know enclave

[arctic talon]

Yeah

It’s very good and it’s pretty fast to get lol

[rose thorn]

In a much worse topic

Fallout 4 factions

[arctic talon]

💀

[tough haven]

@storm jungle Anyways, the game is called Deepwoken and its kind of a souls-like game in a vague sense (and because a lot of the ideas are borrowed from souls games) and a decent fighting game with enough pve to supplement it. The very basic lore is Humans fucked around and found out with magic too much and it woke up some rather malevolent gods, now the oceans are rising and everyone is fucked, and you're kinda just a guy in the universe, doing whatever you feel like. I will say one of the main things I dont like about game is a ton of anime references unsubtly jammed all over the place

[rose thorn]

All 4 factions are terrible lmao

[queen laurel]

My God

[bold wren]

Do you think the Imperium would kill Guilliman for trying to use science, and logic to advance. Because that was the belief of the Emperor?

[queen laurel]

Even the basic choice of your own faction is bad

[rose thorn]

I did institute first run

[tough haven]

Most people dont know that

[queen laurel]

Preston Garvey I will shove A 10 ton truck up your mouth

If you do not shut up about another settlement needing my protection after I installed 500 robots in there with enough firepower to destroy Canada

[bold wren]

Yeah the Emperor preferred science and logic. He hated religion. He sounds a lot like Stalin.

[storm jungle]

God games leaning into anime-esque stuff also always turns me off 💀

https://tenor.com/view/roblox-gpo-anime-grand-piece-online-anime-sad-gif-9932777048220077200

[tough haven]

Its mostly a symptom of the playerbase, and allowing community suggested content

[bold wren]

40k nids leaning into anime designs are so gross.

[arctic talon]

People in the imperium already want to kill him

[rose thorn]

I can’t play games with anime art style it hurts my life

[tough haven]

but overall its tolerable and you can avoid a lot of it

[rose thorn]

Like

[arctic talon]

Wait what

Huh

[tough haven]

its not anime style

[storm jungle]

Yeah i agree

[tough haven]

but theres a lot of stuff thats essentially "added because its from an anime and the move looks cool" with little regard for balance

[bold wren]

It's just a specific design choice the newer nids doesn't feel like insectoid.

[storm jungle]

Its not anime

💀

[bold wren]

Maybe that is it

[rose thorn]

Show nids yku mean?

[bold wren]

Someone got to into Gundam

[rose thorn]

I can grab my book of insects and point out what insects they are

[arctic talon]

The new pyrovore is way more insectoid

[bold wren]

But that isn't anime

[arctic talon]

Then The old one

[storm jungle]

Its basically like Metal Gear but MGS does weeb shit actually right

[rocky gale]

The anime style proxies you can find for models on Etsy has always been a bit Sus for me

[queen laurel]

I do get where you're coming from but counterpoint it's not enough and death leaper looks sick

[tough haven]

More to come when I get the chance

[rose thorn]

Gimme an hour and I can use my bug dictionary to point out every insect part in this

[arctic talon]

Counter point

[bold wren]

Looks more like a arachnid mixture.

[queen laurel]

counterpoint i do not give a shit

[rose thorn]

I know that’s official but that looks like photoshop

[arctic talon]

[queen laurel]

Can always just screw around in my mind to change it into the old one that is like more gorilla

[arctic talon]

I believe the gun is blue tacked on

[bold wren]

I thought they were supposed to be scary grim dark they just look so.

[arctic talon]

It’s a much more flush fit when I’ve seen it in person

Ngl the nids have never looked scary in their minis

Their art is terrifying

[bold wren]

I don't know it feels off and I don't know how to explain it.

[arctic talon]

But the minis are

Just cool looking imo

Or intimidating

Not very terrifying

[queen laurel]

Jonathan Joe bugman looking like he's trying to scare a trick or treater in Halloween

[tough haven]

Very true

[bold wren]

Is it the color or just the how the minis are designed.

[arctic talon]

Color/saturation

[bold wren]

Makes the nids look more goofy.

[arctic talon]

GW always prefers bright colors on minis

Which is logical

They pop better

[rocky gale]

Never forget how unnecessarily sensual they made the Neurolictor

[bold wren]

If you use the right dark colors they will pop.

[queen laurel]

the art

the fucking art

[bold wren]

But in insects bright colors means dangerous

So nids being bright colors isn't too off.

[arctic talon]

They still use vibrant dark colors

I should have used vibrant instead of bright

but GW likes stuff colorful

hell they used to be even more colorful till the shift around 6e

[bold wren]

3rd and 4th edition just seems beloved by many.

[storm jungle]

also Miniatures =/= Artwork

[bold wren]

What is it about those editions.

[arctic talon]

Old

Also are the "establishment" of modern 40k

in terms of tone and aesthetic

[bold wren]

I mean they could make some of those themes more full circle.

[rose thorn]

I love the neuro modes so much

[arctic talon]

I mean

40k rn is like

very visually grim

[rose thorn]

They are probably my favorite of the nid Line

[arctic talon]

9e and 10e

[bold wren]

But writing seems goofy and so over the top it's just dark humor at that point

[arctic talon]

I mean

thats always

been 40k

its less goofy now

[bold wren]

Goofy was fun

Not everything has to be serious and orks are such cannon fodder sometimes that it does become funny.

It's like grunts from halo you love them, but they get their asses kicked so much.

[storm jungle]

40K is always goofy and violent

[arctic talon]

^

[storm jungle]

that has never changed, like at all lol

[arctic talon]

Its still goofy now

just less like

loud I guess?

idk

[queen laurel]

as an advent reader of brutal cunning

i can say 100% that it is the most goofiest things that I have read about in my life

[arctic talon]

40k leans a lot more heavily on Dark Humor now

[bold wren]

Goofy until they make a heart stopping story.

[rocky gale]

Not every story has to be goofy

[storm jungle]

^

Im not here for a circus

[arctic talon]

^

[storm jungle]

i want seriousness too

[arctic talon]

40k has hit a good mix

tbh

[bold wren]

40k stories that break your heart in two and make you cry your eyes out.

[storm jungle]

Yes

we like those here

also no offense but at worst you can tear up

if you actually cry that much from a 40k story uh 💀

[bold wren]

I mean the emotional stories of human suffering make the story.

[storm jungle]

I mean

most of them are fascists and deserve it

[bold wren]

Suffering of the characters makes you empathize with them.

[storm jungle]

sorry lmao

[bold wren]

The leaders, but it isn't that simple.

[storm jungle]

Not really

[arctic talon]

ngl watcher in the rain made me laugh

[storm jungle]

the people of the Imperium can be awful too

[arctic talon]

that shit was funny as hell

[storm jungle]

The cannibal ending twist is hilarious

[bold wren]

That's like saying German military, and SS are the same.

[storm jungle]

...

you do realise the german army like

did a ton of fucked up shit right

and its all documented

[bold wren]

No they're different

[queen laurel]

Yeah Speaking of stories Dil pickle, is guy Haley a good author to read ?

[storm jungle]

Im too lazy to explain what "Clean Wehrmacht" thing is so ill pass.

[rocky gale]

No Clean Wehrmacht, that's propaganda

[arctic talon]

uhhhhhhh yesnt

[bold wren]

Unless you mean poland.

[arctic talon]

Haley is

inconsistent

But Prophets of WAAAGH is good

[queen laurel]

OK so Ork Writing

[bold wren]

Prussian are pretty bad, but they inspired many modern things such as the school system America has.

[queen laurel]

hmm

[bold wren]

So, uh.

[arctic talon]

He's simultaneously written a few of my favorite books in 40k

and like

several I would toss into a fire

[bold wren]

Poland has a right to be defensive Russia, Prussia, and later on Germany just invaded.

Like I would be pissed too.

[storm jungle]

Fascists are bad.

end of story

[arctic talon]

but Haley writes a lot

[rocky gale]

Why are you talking about Poland?

[arctic talon]

of books

Prophet of the Waagh good iirc

[bold wren]

Well yeah no duh, but human condition isn't as simple they're bad end of story.

In a story you write about why they are like that you actually make people hate them. Other then they're fascist.

Fascism is bad, but why is this character bad, why do they do what they do.

[storm jungle]

Except the Imperium is 95% bad.

this has been beaten over the head of users for 30 years

Imperial Guard partake in atrocities and genocides constantly

lol

[bold wren]

They're soldiers with no choice sometimes, and forced into this. By extensive propaganda, empathize with what happened to them but their actions not so much.

I feel for what happened to them, but actions not so much.

Soldiers don't do awful things because they're bad, maybe being at gun point by the Imperium. Fear making people obedient.

[storm jungle]

I won't empathise with fascists.

so no lol

I care more about the few guardsman characters that actually got some morality

[flat parcel]

Isn't the whole point of 40k that, basically everyone in it is awful xD

[storm jungle]

YEP

literally just accept that everyone is evil

thats the fun part lmao

[young pecan]

Except for T'au

[arctic talon]

The Tau are still evil

[young pecan]

They try so very hard to stand out

Are they?

[storm jungle]

You never get this weird morality shit with chaos fans, they are like "Nah man I just like burning planets."

[storm jungle]

Yeah but not majorily.

[queen laurel]

Ork fans too

[young pecan]

What's their brand of evil?

[storm jungle]

They use subtle means of evil.

[queen laurel]

We like them because they are goofy not because they are morally good

[tough haven]

Like they know its bad, but just dont care

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

Violent imperialism, Stratified society

[storm jungle]

its the same reason people like Decepticons

[tough haven]

Theyre just my silly little green goobers having the time of their lives

[bold wren]

But your views on evil are so black and white. They bore me.

[arctic talon]

Like "Join the greater good" isn't an option

you will join

[storm jungle]

🪞

[flat parcel]

I typically find fascists try and justify the Imperium in some moral way to make them feel more justified for their IRL convinctions

[arctic talon]

your choice is wether they make you join

or they kill you

[young pecan]

Ork fans 🤝 Skaven fans
"They're just silly guys"

[dusk patrol]

They’re both pretty fucked tbh

They are fun though

[bold wren]

Orks are evil but they're just the strongest lead.

[storm jungle]

This is an actual thing yeah. I've been a fan of 40k for 12 years now, the amount of sexist, fascist and racist parts of the fandom ive seen is scarily big in some cases.

People have gotten upset over the cover of Avenging Son having a black Ultramarine

💀

[bold wren]

The Salamanders exist?

They're black

[dusk patrol]

But outside of their pov everyone is very much fucked as hell

[queen laurel]

skaven and orks have more in common than the actual orcs in fantasy

[storm jungle]

They arent black

lol

[queen laurel]

it's actually god damn hilarious

[young pecan]

Tbf, if I was trying to be moral in 40k, I would get pretty fucking sick of doing it the nice way too

[flat parcel]

The nature of the universe means yeah, the Imperium's harsh tactics are a, debatably effective way of keeping the chaos gods from devouring all of it, but morally, its still awful and everyone that partakes in it is still awful

[dusk patrol]

Their homeworld causes their geneseed to darken their skin

[young pecan]

How so? I thought they were like same thing

[storm jungle]

They got charcoal skin from magma exposure and the geneseed yeah, Salamanders in media have shown them with various ethnicities.

[bold wren]

Looking at depictions of Vulkan

[storm jungle]

Hes just a bald guy

[bold wren]

They're several

[tough haven]

@storm jungle Anyways back to infodumping, the games combat is fairly good, I'll try to find a comprehensible clip of it, but what I like best about the game is the music, like this stuff could be in an actual game

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLGt9OOZXqp2JI1vE3olIgOUO-E3PREqRv&si=w58NHg02VNpWLacK

[queen laurel]

Both of them use unreliable tech
everyone mimics the way they speak because it is funny
and of course while orks are more loyal they will not hesitate to clobbered their own boss to become higher on the food chain

[bold wren]

But in fanart he is depicted as a black man.

[storm jungle]

Oh god wait I THINK I know this

[bold wren]

Not charcoal

[queen laurel]

Orcs in fantasy are your generic green brutes that only have the appearance to match

[tough haven]

One of my favorites in the game in band form

https://youtu.be/I6rD5jW1qv0?si=6Ut2r3-CIfF3LrbG

[storm jungle]

Because fans are stupid

[tough haven]

fr?

[dusk patrol]

But yeah marines have always been able to be any race, some geneseeds would influence that but it varies how much marines look like their primarch

[queen laurel]

To add to this they are literally born to a planet where the radiation turns your skin into that it's not their ethnicity

[storm jungle]

^

[bold wren]

Almost like it's melanin

[dusk patrol]

He’s got coal black skin and red eyes

[storm jungle]

Its not lol

[bold wren]

So it's just like Kratos

[storm jungle]

💀

[tough haven]

This doesnt sound like you know it in a good way lol

[dusk patrol]

It’s similar to how Raven Guard are pale despite their initial look

[storm jungle]

I've seen parts of it

[bold wren]

With his skin that is covered in ashes.

Like patched to his skin.

At least originally

[tough haven]

Which parts, if I dare ask?

[storm jungle]

Mostly just the stuff you mentioned

i completely erased them from my memory, now its coming back 💀

[bold wren]

He's not a black man he is a gray man.

Own ethnicity of humans existing in 40k doesn't sound surprising.

[tough haven]

💀

Tbh its not that bad for 5$

[bold wren]

Being more then the initial real life ones.

[storm jungle]

lol true but still

[bold wren]

I mean magnus is red

[dusk patrol]

That’s cause he’s a dork

Imagine cosplaying as grimdark Clifford by choice smh

[tough haven]

its a simple fighting game I can play to feel like I'm good at fighting games without actually having to learn a fighting game

[rose thorn]

Roll 20 is using baulders gate 3 to advertise dnd

[bold wren]

Imagine looking like a huge rash

[rose thorn]

It hurts my soul

[bold wren]

That's what magnus looks like

[tough haven]

Imagine not being able to stand on your own

[rocky gale]

Did Magnus gain the tusk nipples after he became a Daemon Primarch or did he always have them?

[bold wren]

I think he always had those

[rose thorn]

I doubt there are many baulders gate players who don’t know what dnd is

[young pecan]

How is this bad? Baldur's Gate 3 is D&D but visualised and with pre-set options

[dusk patrol]

It’s on his armor

[bold wren]

Yeah he has

[queen laurel]

man i feel sorry for the guy who's going berserker on tabletop only to find out that the class is dog shit compared to the one in the game

[rocky gale]

So he makes the conscious decision to have tusk nipples?

[queen laurel]

tabletop berserker is shit

[storm jungle]

I mean it does look cool

[bold wren]

This is him pre-heresy I do believe

[storm jungle]

just uh

dotn try to hug him

[dusk patrol]

It’s part of his armor design yes

[tough haven]

I have seen people show up to the dnd group im in like "I've played baldurs gate but I have never played or heard of dnd"

[rose thorn]

A; they play completely differently, B; I doubt anyone who plays baulders gate doesn’t know what dnd is nor is a dnd player

[bold wren]

Magnus is the most powerful in the Black Legion

[dusk patrol]

That art in particular doesn’t do him any favors

[rocky gale]

His Heresy model does't have them 🤔

[bold wren]

At least his former legion

[dusk patrol]

He’s not in the BL

[storm jungle]

💀 💀 💀 💀

[young pecan]

Remembered exhaustion mechanic exists, day ruined

[bold wren]

I mean one of his former psykers is

But they split apart

[rose thorn]

Tbh I only see people use 40k version of primarchs for HH

I forgot magnus had a model in Hah

[bold wren]

Anyone can join the black legion

It's not special It's a anyone group.

[storm jungle]

its like a discord group

[queen laurel]

yeah at least with the berserker in BG3 you only get frenzied strain which you only get if you make a bonus attack

[storm jungle]

Abaddon is the admin

[bold wren]

Why It's so dangerous you never know what you gonna get

[queen laurel]

most times you will only use the bonus attack as a way to finish off the target

[dusk patrol]

He’s also not in it still

No daemon primarch has joined the BL

[bold wren]

One of his psykers is

[dusk patrol]

They work with them

Yes

Several Tsons are

With some Rubrics

[bold wren]

They're broken

They throw entire ships into planets

[storm jungle]

Yesn't.

[bold wren]

And drag them across the warp

[storm jungle]

TSons have been trying to unify under Magnus after his big skype-call summonings

[bold wren]

Psykers are just broken like that.

[storm jungle]

but you also got people like Ahriman

[bold wren]

I mean they're thousand sons

[storm jungle]

whos perma-banned

[dusk patrol]

No one is as big a fan of Khayon as Khayon is

[bold wren]

Everyone hates the Emperors Children

Because they're not warriors

[storm jungle]

More just they are generic goons

they got no representation

[dusk patrol]

They have plenty of very effective fighters

[bold wren]

Black Legion is just the most organized

[dusk patrol]

They’re just not shown a lot and they tend to be more in it for the thrill

[storm jungle]

I just hope their fucking codex + range update finally brings some attention back to them.

[bold wren]

They want to fight

[storm jungle]

Im legit gonna kill myself

if i hear ANOTHER

"Omg lucius so cringe heuheuheu"

like yes we get it

[bold wren]

Got a forge world named after him

[storm jungle]

more just Lucius is a very generic name

[bold wren]

That is powered by a star

The Imperium loves depleting stars of energy

Better nuclear reactors I guess.

A huge ball of energy

[dusk patrol]

Well it was kinda there

But yeah we tend to see EC duelists who are in it for the thrill

[bold wren]

Abbadon viewed them as disgraceful even for a chaos war lord.

That says a lot about them.

[rocky gale]

We seem to be getting a lot more references to Eidolon, so I wouldn't be surprised if he gets a model when the EC codex comes out

[bold wren]

Abbadon wasn't about pleasure I guess.

But destruction and power.

Seems like your casual sith lord who is more calculated evil, then just for the fun of it.

The worst insidious evil calculated evil.

[dusk patrol]

Abbadon only cares what he can use

[bold wren]

And he cannot abuse them so they're disgraceful?

[dusk patrol]

He can’t use them because their goals don’t match his

They don’t often care about conquest or the long war

They’re in it for different reasons

[bold wren]

Emperors Children are more in it for pointless pleasures.

[dusk patrol]

Abaddon considers a lot of people shit or disgraceful because they won’t beat to his drum

Basically my point is, who gives a fuck about Abaddon opinion

[bold wren]

But he still views the the Emperors light with reverence despite hating the Imperium that he built

Or at least his father Horus.

He shares similar views to his father.

I mean even as a heretic he still views the Emperors light with caution, or respect I cannot tell.

Astronomican has a light through the warp that can be viewed.

So, he still respects that but definitely still his enemy

[young pecan]

AND it's only a stacking negative during that frenzy, AND it doesn't fuck up literally the entire rest of your character outside of combat 😭 They should change tabletop to that, it feels more right

[queen laurel]

yeah and most of the time i'm not going to get frenzied strain because I will be throwing the nearest thing at the enemy like a cracked out quarterback

[young pecan]

Throwing the nearest enemy at the enemy*

Love throwing shit in general in that game

Be war cleric, throw explosive barrel, use war cleric charge to throw something else, "something else" meaning a bomb

[queen laurel]

Tavern brawler plus a few gear, and i can throw the legendary Trident with enough force to make God blush

[tough haven]

I wanna play as an ogre in tabletop and do this

just fucking throw the nearest thing into the nearest thing I dont like with as much force as you do in darktide

[rose thorn]

i know im forgettiing tsomething important to wrtie about my chpater

oh why they exist

something something mass rebellions

something something too far to get actual usupport

someting something military dictatorship to supress

oh and their geneflaw

and a fucking colorscheme

[rose thorn]

Created early in the Ultima founding the Cytax Tyrants were created to suppress mass rebellion and return order starting in the Cytax system. In the beginning the chapter used peace and diplomacy while they began drawing from the children of the upper class. Until the Betrayal of Cytax II which wiped out the chapter master at the time and most of the founding members. The next chapter master in line immediately led the Massacre of Cytax II which finally brought the planet to knee at the cost of the new chapter master’s life. What remained of the leading members of the chapter selected the current chapter master Cassemus Cytax due to being the only child of the Imperial Governor of the Cytax System in hope to lower tensions between the chapter and the system.

Early in Cassemus Cytax’s leadership he was quick to understand the failures of his predecessors, humans can not be trusted with power or freedom and must instead serve the angels of the emperor. The chapter announced the official take over of the system’s governance and any resistance will be punished with the fury of the Emperor. Soon the Second and Final Massacre of Cytax II began and left the planet uninhabitable for any life.

new lore

[queen laurel]

salamanders just felt something wrong in there gut suddenly

like a group of space marines were doing the no good way

[rose thorn]

My partner says they just sound like Nazis I just want asshole dictatorship marines not Nazis

[regal grail]

unfortunately my friend nazis are the poster boys of asshole dictatorships lmao

especially with that bit about genocides

[rose thorn]

I’ll change it to slaughter

[rose thorn]

damn Nazis ruining my home brew lore, I just want to be prime antagonist marines who can attack other chapters or imperial forces with out being weird lore wise

Canned it to massacre

Changed*

[regal grail]

Nazis ruining 40k is basically a hallmark of the setting lmao

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[queen laurel]

honestly it's not the worst because a lot of canon chapters can match the amount of slaughter your homebrew or even outright surpass it

looking at you marines malevolent and minotaurs

[rose thorn]

The black Templars

The red hunters partook in a few massacres

Like, they Called a genocide

In their lore

[normal light]

Yeah, but don’t get to exited

Because, well, chaos corruption

[rose thorn]

Lmao

How do I rewrite this with out ruining the identity of the chapter

[queen laurel]

no live up to it, why not just become tyrants because that's what you want them to be?

[rose thorn]

They are tyrants

[queen laurel]

exactly Exactly

[rose thorn]

I don’t like the marines malevant because they don’t do anything with their cruelty, and I don’t like the black templars and Minotaurs for other reason

I just wanna be teh bad guy

In a campaign

[queen laurel]

Yeah I mean I think your chapter is probably one of the few space marines I would kick in the balls by reinforcing my leg with a power field

you did a good job at making them evil

[rose thorn]

Thank you

[normal light]

Convert to Chaos

[rose thorn]

Then they will be a red corsiars rip off

Also I have a better idea for my chaos warband

[orchid lark]

same way the Volponnian Blue Bloods are hoighty toight assholes in the imperial guard.

or the Brotherhood of Steel is with non members

[normal light]

Brotherhood of Steel is meme

[orchid lark]

The Tyrants are harsh and cruel because they can back that up.
They know their place and they know their importance.

[normal light]

because of how many times their sub factions twisted their original ideology

[crystal forum]

it's a meme because BoS was never supposed to be the main faction of the series

there's only so many stories you can do with tech loving medieval larpers

[green loom]

Wazzat?

You want more brotherhood?

[crystal forum]

let's make an entire amazon series about them

isn't it ironic though that the best game in the franchise has the least amount of interactions with the BoS

[green loom]

Which one's that

[crystal forum]

do i really have to say it

[green loom]

It's either the first two or new vegas

[crystal forum]

it's new vegas

as much as i love the first two, new vegas outdid them

[versed ledge]

So how do genestealers....reproduce.... with members of other species during their infiltration missions

[green loom]

I think the first one gives the kiss to a few people and they reproduce from there

[queen laurel]

i separate the non 3D fallouts from the 3D ones

Out of the 3D fallout the best no doubt new Vegas

[crystal forum]

that's valid

[queen laurel]

But for 2D I don't know

[crystal forum]

they're hard to compare

[versed ledge]

So straight up aliens level of horror fornication

[crystal forum]

it's pretty interesting how at the time the logical transition for fallout was for it to become an FPS

now we separate turn based games from FPS's

[storm jungle]

Genestealers stab you with their tongue from anywhere and you get the virus

from there you cna infect people through any means, but for creating Generations you gotta reproduce with other infected cult members

this isnt done forcefully obviously since everyone is in on it but not that explored because is basically just sex stuff lol

[crystal forum]

H.R geiger trying not to add sex themes (he cannot resist)

[storm jungle]

It makes for good visuals can't blame the guy

[viral halo]

Genestealers hitting people with the tyranussy

[storm jungle]

LOL

STOP

[crystal forum]

dogehammer just posted a sneak peak at his next video and there's soul drinkers

i cannot wait for the emperor's chosen people to get the spotlight

[versed ledge]

So a living and violent, STD

[storm jungle]

Literally yes

[lunar harness]

genestealers roofie people

thats not okay

STOP GENESTEALERS

[spring cairn]

damn I thought helldiver's world had a little bit more lore going ngl

kinda let down

(completely unrelated)

[storm jungle]

I mean

its basically modelling itself after Starship Troopers with simple to learn gameplay

not much to prob need to implement beyond that

[spring cairn]

Yeah i know, but you can't give me the hardest looking robot faction ever and have 0 background for them

the bugs whatever, but the automatons, there's higher intelligence at play

[storm jungle]

Keep playing the game and grinding that XP nerd

🫵

[spring cairn]

Joke's on you

I do not own the game anymore

It would not stop crashing

[storm jungle]

LOL

[green loom]

That probably has to do

With the fucking

Nightmare anti cheat

[storm jungle]

The devs got a lot of good grace so not like it matters

any criticism for the game is basically moot

[green loom]

Btw if you installed it then enjoy

[spring cairn]

all they did was add an uninstaller so it goes away when you uninstall the game

imagine

prior to that

it would not

[spring cairn]

i mean tbh

i think it's the 8th time I've heard that for a game

I played Valorant with my friends so

just add it to the pile

[green loom]

I mean at that point yeah

I want to play it but I don't think it'd be a good idea for me to let something like that on muh PC

[storm jungle]

We had one user here who almost got their PC nuked because of it

so maybe hold off for now

[green loom]

Yeah considering

Where I am

And what I've downloaded

[shadow plover]

But I need the explosions

[arctic talon]

Helldivers 2 on its way to brick your pc

[crystal forum]

i dont know anything about helldivers but if there's premium currency to advance XP and stuff then that's probably why devs dont want people cheating to get higher levels

[storm jungle]

Its not about that

its the cheat engine they use being dogshit

lmao

[crystal forum]

yes that's what im talking about. i only see devs of these sorts of games caring about cheaters when money is involved

[storm jungle]

Pretty much.

[green loom]

Assumption from what I can tell is that it might've been cheap

[crystal forum]

anticheats are rarely cheap from what i know

it's a service you're paying for

[green loom]

YEah but they can be cheaper than other anti cheats

[queen laurel]

Imagine using a cheat engine that takes up so much space that it literally obliterates your PC more than high end games

[versed ledge]

How the hell did micro transaction became a thing?

[green loom]

Cosmetics

Mostly I thin

[queen laurel]

Horse

[green loom]

Weren't they in the last game too?

[crystal forum]

i talked about this yesterday with dead space. it started with DLC's

[versed ledge]

Behold
Chest

[crystal forum]

remember the time when people were mad about DLC's

i miss when that was the worst

now you're straight up buying unfinished games at launch

[queen laurel]

And now people are both mad for an unfinished game and DLCs

[versed ledge]

Yet for some reason, there's people who in earnest enjoy spending cash to play a game that's unfinished and owned

[crystal forum]

it's actually genius how these companies managed to turn their playerbases into free play testers while paying extra for pre access

[shadow plover]

games have always been released unfinished, people just forget about them

[versed ledge]

Genius yet so scummy

[crystal forum]

that is untrue

there was a time when games couldn't be updated after release on CD's

[versed ledge]

Which is kind of funny that we're complaining about it on a tubby shark owned server

[shadow plover]

yes and the games that were released unfinished stayed that way, thus people not liking them, the game not being bought much and then forgetting about them

[crystal forum]

bad games have always existed yes. what is your point

[arctic talon]

Blame valve for the lootbox tide

[crystal forum]

the entire industry has shifted to this model

[arctic talon]

Unleashed upon us

They proved you could get away with lootboxes in a full priced game

[shadow plover]

my point that games didn't just suddenly start releasing unfinished after the after release updates became more common

[crystal forum]

it became much more common, especially for triple A games which believe it or not were once considered the high standard

now i expect more from indie games because they actually deliver

it is funny though that valve can be praised for groundbreaking achievements in the gaming industry and also blamed for a lot of terrible practises considered common now

oh and mobile games

[arctic talon]

Tbh their big thing was just lootboxes

[rose thorn]

ayo what did i miss

[arctic talon]

The discussion on helldivers 2’s anti cheat

[rose thorn]

oh

i didnt even know what hell divers is

[arctic talon]

It’s a fun indie twin stick shooter

[queen laurel]

it was related to the anticheat for helldivers then it it veered into this conversation

[arctic talon]

It got a sequal

[rose thorn]

o

[arctic talon]

Which is a third person shooter

And much higher budget

It also has a dogshit anti cheat

The game seems fun from what I’ve seen

But like mmmmm Kernal level anti cheat

[rose thorn]

EW

ew

[arctic talon]

I already have one on my computer I don’t really want another lol

[rose thorn]

so do i

[arctic talon]

But Nguard sucks ass

[rose thorn]

curse of playing league

[arctic talon]

Lol

At least vanguard anti cheat works

[rose thorn]

true

[arctic talon]

I’ve already seen videos of people hacking

In helldivers 2 without being banned lol

But I still think it’s funny valve introduced lootboxes to the industry as something viable

Thank god no one had the thought of also making you buy the “unlock” method for the lootbox along with the box lol

[gray umbra]

You mean league and keys

[queen laurel]

Imagine your game requiring an anti cheat that is only located on a NASA computer only for it to still be beaten by some random dude in a basement

[arctic talon]

I forgot hextech keys existed ngl 💀

Being not toxic showers you in them lol

[gray umbra]

Lol

[arctic talon]

Also leagues lootboxes suck ass anyways

[green loom]

I spent money on a single thing in league

And that was Beemo(with pink chroma)

[arctic talon]

And you can’t buy more then 100$ worth a day if you for some reason wanted to buy them

Still an absurd ammount

To spend

On a shit system

[green loom]

And that point can't you just

Buy the skin

[arctic talon]

Yeah

There’s like 0 point to the lootboxes in league

Actually I guess there is 1 point

[green loom]

Most of them aren't even like

[arctic talon]

It’s free shit

[green loom]

That expensive

[arctic talon]

Since you get chests for doing well

[arctic talon]

Most expensive skin in league is 45$ iirc

Nvm it’s 35$

I would still never pay that much for a skin

But it has a new animation rig + voicelines + sound effects + something extra

So like

Lmao

More worth it then Overwatch skins

I still hate lootboxes

Except for the fact that Overwatch 1’s lootboxes are infinitely better then whatever they’re doing now lol

[storm jungle]

Team Fortress 2 was prob one of the biggest reasons behind it

CSGO also has a genius model where they sell you eyesore skins lol

a system so good they literally implemented it into TF2

[queen laurel]

I still blame it on the horse armor