40k-lore-chat

[dusk patrol]

You don’t instantly become sick

[tough haven]

wouldnt melee be like the worst way to fight them?

[dusk patrol]

Especially marines

[storm jungle]

thats just basic military stuff though, they still dont aimlessly charge in human waves

[dusk patrol]

It depends on if you can hang

[rocky gale]

Pity the poor blood angel who succumbs to the red thirst and tries to drink a plague marine

[dusk patrol]

Marines are obviously gonna do way better and can abuse DG being slower

[queen laurel]

The hardier people would hang in their a lot more

[dusk patrol]

It’s like anything else

[queen laurel]

But it's generally not a good idea

[storm jungle]

yeah we are basically talking about marines that stink so bad you can literally rot to death before you can even get near them at times.

[dusk patrol]

Not all Death Guard are that dangerous as others

[tough haven]

But isnt durability more of a downside since it just means youll suffer more

the deathguard are living examples of that

[storm jungle]

Nope

[dusk patrol]

What?

[queen laurel]

The average smell of a warhammer fan

[storm jungle]

The Death Guard are mostly immune

they welcome plagues, they dont feel pain from it

[dusk patrol]

Like once again you don’t just immediately get sick and start dying when fighting them

[queen laurel]

Death guard are basically numb to pain

Like you have to hit them really really really hard for them to feel it

[dusk patrol]

Especially marines

It takes a lot to get one really sick

[tough haven]

no but their origin story is that their legendary resilience was literally a downside

[crystal forum]

red army lost the most soldiers out of any country in WW2

[queen laurel]

What

[dusk patrol]

They were being kept alive by Nurgle

[crystal forum]

damn that transparent background sucks

[dusk patrol]

It didn’t matter

[tough haven]

When they became corrupted that is

[storm jungle]

Yeah and it wasnt entirely from human waves

[dusk patrol]

Mortarion tries to mercy kill his sons and they get brought back

[queen laurel]

Yeah legendary durability is not a downside

[storm jungle]

it was because Stalin and his generals were cunts lol

[queen laurel]

Nurgle was just a prick

[storm jungle]

during the siege of places like Stalingrad they literally made everyone fight

kids, women, men, elderly, etc

[dusk patrol]

Mortarion was able to handle the pain for eternity but he couldn’t watch his sons suffer for eternity too

So he gave in

He couldn’t mercy kill them

Or he would have literally just go around and killed everyone

[crystal forum]

it was still the way the red army fought. they did it because it worked. it's not some dumb thing like the movies show hundreds of men walking in open fields towards their death

[storm jungle]

It was not.

Bro do I like

[dusk patrol]

Read a book

[storm jungle]

gotta link actual historical documents

[dusk patrol]

Please

[storm jungle]

Yeah I dont want to be rude but the human wave shit was mainly for stalingrad, and even then it was almost ALWAYS civillians.

literal "who cares if we lose them" people

[dusk patrol]

I’m sure there was some charges and some of the fighting was fucking gnarly as hell in the buildings with hundreds of people dying for single rooms, but it wasn’t like human waves

[storm jungle]

^

[queen laurel]

Ohhh boy

[storm jungle]

The loss of life came more from the fact that Russia had bodies to throw at the grinder

and the fact that for a majority of the war they were on the defensive

[dusk patrol]

The Red Army was pretty fucked for a lot of reasons and was shit to be in but they weren’t stupid as hell

[storm jungle]

^

[queen laurel]

Krieg favorite precise infantry assault

[crystal forum]

what are we even talking about at this point what does human wave even mean

[storm jungle]

literally what it says

waves of humans

lol

[dusk patrol]

A wave of humans sent into enemy fire

[crystal forum]

because i just see us agreeing on shit

[dusk patrol]

[storm jungle]

Basically rewinding back

[dusk patrol]

Anyways

[crystal forum]

like a physical wave of humans

?

[storm jungle]

YES

💀

[crystal forum]

well fuck i didn't think you meant it literally

[queen laurel]

What did you think a wave of humans is?

[dusk patrol]

Valhallans in lore actually rarely lose full regiments is another thing

[crystal forum]

idk i thought it was a metaphor for just throwing bodies at a problem

[dusk patrol]

They have a continuous line from back right after the Scouring

So often kids sent to the front will be fighting with their uncles and grandfathers and aunts and so on

And they’ll be using a las rifle that’s been in their families for endless generations

[normal light]

To cut it simple Soviet Tactics involved mass artillery bombardment before the intial attack (if it was possible), than massive assault carried out by Tank Formation with Infantry mounted on them or following tanks.

[dusk patrol]

Actually wait I might be thinking of the Vostrayan Firstborn

[normal light]

But when there were no tanks and arty... Well.....

[crystal forum]

i think you are

[dusk patrol]

I always get them mixed up

[storm jungle]

To summarise:

Valhallans use "human wave" tactics because people assume that was how Russia fought in WW2, this was around the mid 2000's and stuff about the war still was surfacing slowly but not frequently enough. Their main inspiration as a regiment was mainly from the movie Enemy At The Gates, where this tactic was glorified to have happened constantly when that was never the case since in reality as me and Eternal said above it was simply just military officials throwing civillians in "normal" or "extreme" firefights as expendable bodies, not to just charge in waves which is stupid and what Valhallans do.

Commissar Chenkov's entire thing is also based on what happens in the movie where they gun down retreating soviets which only happened like... twice in the entire war I think? Otherwise it was just usual hangings or just people not bothering since nobody came back alive half the time since in reality this is a fast way to get fragged.

Anyway after a few years the movie got panned to death by historians for basically getting more or less a lot wrong about the Siege of Stalingrad, so we got more information on how soviets actually fought from other documents and such.

https://tenor.com/view/imostergolfra-gif-25274972

[crystal forum]

valhallan lore is their planet became a frozen world and they lived harsh underground lives

then orks attacked

now they hate orks

[storm jungle]

the Fire Nation yes

[queen laurel]

Holy s*** Dilara wall text

[storm jungle]

also what I wrote mostly lol

[queen laurel]

I must save it for the next argument

[storm jungle]

[normal light]

Yeah, like most NKVD Back Line work was like returning soldiers to the front

[storm jungle]

^

[crystal forum]

yeah the movie is stupid i dont disagree at all idk why we were even arguing

[normal light]

I am talking mainly about NKVD involved in backing Red Army forces

[storm jungle]

you started it nerd

time to get shot

[queen laurel]

Kill em boyz

[storm jungle]

Also yeah the NKVD were asshats

and thats putting it lightly lol

[normal light]

Because yeah, we don`t want to talk about NKVD doing their stuff outside this spectrum

[storm jungle]

the commissars in 40k are basically a REALLY exaggerated version of them

the actual jobs of commissars IRL was a lot more "boring"

[queen laurel]

Damn no wonder people aspire to be like them

[normal light]

The Great Famine slender

[storm jungle]

"Look guys Stalin may have starved billions but at least our agriculture is good now."

40k Moment

[crystal forum]

imagine going to war as a political officer

[normal light]

Nah you don`t see the point

He starved bilions to make food for factory workers

and then forced peasants to cooperate leaving them with no land

[crystal forum]

then again the red army was probably on the verge of taking power if stalin didn't make sure its officers were faithful servants to the party

[queen laurel]

You should have just turned the factory workers into food much more efficient

[storm jungle]

YEP. About as worse as old Adolf.

[normal light]

Funny things

[storm jungle]

it was VERY close

[normal light]

is that

Their economy was on verge of collapse and they had to invent some strict form of free market and private property back for couple of years

[queen laurel]

Shame Erika is related because i know i'm going to sound insane and probably get me banned but it sounds pretty f****** good

[crystal forum]

people in the first world dont understand how much power the military could flex on the government if it was unhappy. throughout history it was always a game of trying to please the military so they stayed loyal to you

[storm jungle]

Stalin actually almost assassinated the head of the army after the war

but guess what he was too popular and it would be too obvious

and lead to a coup lol

||so a coup happened after he died instead||

[normal light]

You hear about penal psychiatric healing (sorry for bad spelling)?

[storm jungle]

YEP

[queen laurel]

Dilara did the other wardens have a deal to not enter this realm?

[normal light]

GOOD OLD, If you don`t want to live under communism means you are insane

[crystal forum]

a coup in russia is like a normal occurence every 10 years

[queen laurel]

Hmm

Yeah

The current situation in that place is

Questionable

[rocky gale]

I forget that other places also have events called the great famine and was wondering how Stalin could be blamed for the Gorta Mór.

[normal light]

Whole government system of Russia is One power figure replacing another

[green loom]

This is a shadiversity moment

[crystal forum]

you can trace it back to even before tsars lols

[green loom]

Have any of you looked into his book

It's hilarious

[crystal forum]

i dont support misogynists

[normal light]

Well Evgeny wasn`t the smartest one

[normal light]

Mean?

[queen laurel]

Not want to read the book of Shativersity

[green loom]

So his book is called Shadow of the Conqueror

[normal light]

And like it`s not Soviets who invented them

this stuff was used during Tsar times

[green loom]

The Conqueror being the main character

[crystal forum]

he does whine about historical accuracy in a fantasy setting a lot

[green loom]

Who was fantasy super stalin who led a revolution that killed all the aristocrats, and then was responsible for the deaths of millions more

Also he's a pedophile and r*pist

[queen laurel]

Dude him complaining about chaiswords even though he literally didn't know it has monomolecular teeth

[normal light]

Beria and Stalin in one person?

[green loom]

Basically

[normal light]

💀

[green loom]

Except he's magic, a prodigy engineer, a prodigy swordsman

etc. etc.

[queen laurel]

Damn we are getting pretty philosophical in this one

[green loom]

Eventually someone rebels against him because hey, butchering families and SA leads to discontent

And he goes into exile

[queen laurel]

deep i like it

[crystal forum]

napoleon

[green loom]

So he sits as a hermit for like 20 years or something and eventually decides everything he did was unforgivable and he needs to jump off a cliff

(This doesn't stop him from actively justifying himself, he just really hates communists now)

[normal light]

Enoug of that polemic, you are officialy drafted to the 9th Valhallan Regiment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8fWp-i-BGA&t=6s&pp=ygUaZW5lbXkgYXQgdGhlIGdhdGVzIGFzc2F1bHQ%3D

[crystal forum]

does the book literally mention communism

[green loom]

Yes

[crystal forum]

in a fantasy setting

[green loom]

At one point later on he meets a bunch of activists and shouts "Wealth redistribution is theft" before chopping one's head off unprompted and then murdering the rest for good meassure

[normal light]

To tell the truth, I think German Stalingrad from 1993 is the best and accurate historical film you can get...

[green loom]

Mind you he's supposed to feel bad about being a genocidal monster

[dusk patrol]

What are we talking about

[green loom]

Shadiversity's horrible book

[crystal forum]

so is he supposed to be in the right here

is he some sort of meta antihero

[dusk patrol]

It’s probably just a shit book

[green loom]

Yes

That's Shad's intent

We're told for like 5 minutes that he feels bad about what he did and he sulks about it a little

But then justifies every horrible thing he did

Except when it's conveniently political stuff that shad doesn't like

Okay anyway he gets to this cliff right

And he jumps off

[grave sparrow]

Shad's the dude that does all the mediveal videos and stuff right?

[crystal forum]

does he die and go to heaven

[green loom]

And instead of dying he's returned to the prime of his body with the youthful face of a 17 year old

Also he's given magic religion super powers

[green loom]

No the vague "Light" blesses him and rejuvinates him

He can now judge the objective moral worth of someone and kills them because he deems every other person irredeemable

[grave sparrow]

wat

[green loom]

Yeah

[crystal forum]

https://youtube.com/shorts/bbncTYMgSaA?feature=shared

[green loom]

The book has this concept of everyone having some sort of "Light"

The more "Light" you have, the gooder you are

[normal light]

Fantastic book, show me the writer I will talk to him

[green loom]

Shad's character, despite being a serial r*pist and genocidal tyrant, supposedly has the brightest light

[crystal forum]

does he ever repent for his actions

[queen laurel]

The fuck

[green loom]

No, he justifies them and continues to butcher random homeless people

[normal light]

The book can be called The Shadow of Serial R*pist

[crystal forum]

how is this book written by a mormon

[green loom]

Apparently the Light is supposed to be some concept from Mormonism

And that's why he's so bent on him being "repentant"

[grave sparrow]

So like... is it actual hot garbage? It's got 4.6/5 stars. I'm assuming it has some stupid plot points but is well written?

[green loom]

Well most of those reviews aren't real

[crystal forum]

he has a lot of dumb fans

[green loom]

The AI shill uses bots and fans

Shocking

[queen laurel]

God fuck me

I did not expect him to write some of the dumbest literature i have ever heard in my life

[green loom]

Like any actual review in the comments will note that the main character is horrible lmao

[queen laurel]

I thought he was only stupid but god damn he is really really f****** stupid

[crystal forum]

try to find an AI supporter who isn't also a scumbag challenge

[green loom]

okay okay so

[grave sparrow]

Oh so it's like bad bad lol

[green loom]

He gets this youthful body back right

And he then pretends to be his own son

And the next while is just him being a ruthless vigilante butchering everyone he deems irredeemable

Convenient he doesn't count himself despite him doing everything everyone else did on a massive scale

Oh also one of the main characters is one of his SA victims

Since she was his concubine when she was 14 years old

[grave sparrow]

wat

[crystal forum]

max level victim blaming

[grave sparrow]

WAT

Holy shit yeah, Shad's neckbearded af lmao

[green loom]

I wasn't kidding when I said magic pedophile super stalin lol

[grave sparrow]

is he just poorly portraying grimderp in his setting?

[green loom]

And anyway he's not actually repentant for anything, the chars personality switches between being angry at people for calling him kid, justifying his actions, and acting like an edgy anime protag while he butchers hobos who are in dire straits because of him

[queen laurel]

HOLY SHIT BY GORK AND MORK'S ASS THAT IS ONE OF THE MOST F***** THINGS I EVER HEARD

[crystal forum]

and this guy critiques stuff for petty shit

[normal light]

Sounds reasonable, make people live in shit hole because you are d*mb f`ck and than kill them for this

[grave sparrow]

So is shad purposefully writing a dumb shitty character or is he just dumb

[green loom]

Also the end of the book has a ton of his victims go up(He SA'd hundreds of people, and is directly responible for like 28 million deaths)

[green loom]

I think it's a self insert

[normal light]

[crystal forum]

he also has dog shit world views if you find that surprising

[green loom]

The funniest part of the end is that

[queen laurel]

Ederius are you mentally all right my guy

How did you even get through the literature of that shit

It's fucking disgusting

[green loom]

The people who he violated and had kids are happy, and forgive him because they love their kids that he gave them

The ones that didn't have kids are portrayed as miserable hags

[queen laurel]

My god

[grave sparrow]

yeaaa, dude's always just seemedd a bit dstrange lol

[crystal forum]

honestly sounds like a typical mormon

[green loom]

I'm piecing together what I can find from a ton of reviews

The most consistent complaint is

"Holy fuck why is there so much r*pe"

Apparently it's prevalence borders on fetish territory

[grave sparrow]

Ohhh, yeah Mormons can definitely be weird af. At least the few I've met.

[green loom]

And it's handled with the tact and nuance of a black templars fan

With about as much research

[crystal forum]

they have very very weird views on the world

[grave sparrow]

... dude used peanut butter for lotion because his hands were getting dry

and it was like what the fuck are you doing

[queen laurel]

Jesus

[grave sparrow]

They also think their book is like irrefutable because of some text that loosely aligns with some other text from a different time period

like the book of giants or something like that

[crystal forum]

mormons almost had their own country even

crazy shit

42% of the population of utah are mormons

[winter vessel]

I knew an ex-Mormon from a bible group I was in.

[storm jungle]

Emperor is that you

[normal light]

No, there is no light in this channel, at least while the topic of this horrible book is here

[grave sparrow]

Wasn't there another really crappy fantasy book that came out recently from someone who should never write?

[wet sandal]

Do you have the slightest idea how little that narrows it down

[storm jungle]

clearly he means warhammer

[wet sandal]

I'm tempted to say that's still not by much

Well I suppose "recently" does it

[green loom]

@storm jungle

[storm jungle]

LMAO

yeah uh

[rocky gale]

I heard that Majorkill has deleted the video and is trying to downplay his accusations

[storm jungle]

He privated it but otherwise yep lol

instantly called out

[rocky gale]

Bravest GW loretuber

[alpine ingot]

I pay attention to the lore channel in the first time in forever and I read Shad has a story about faith magic pseudo stalin who has a 14 year old concubine and there is more loretuber drama...

[rocky gale]

Business as usual

[storm jungle]

worst part is this is too lore accurate

[dusk patrol]

I think it’s literally from the book

Paraphrased roughly but

[storm jungle]

Considering they literally went to COURT over this in the book i agree

[dusk patrol]

Curious when they’re gonna do a new Trayzn model

And what part he’s gonna take in this civil war

I do like the idea that Imotekh is actually winning partially because he’s playing politics and keeping to tradition while Szerakh is trying to cut through the red tape

[dusk patrol]

Idk why you’d ever think it’s a good idea to make that video

[storm jungle]

Ego pretty much.

[winter vessel]

It really was petty

[waxen wave]

Are jump pack Intercessors part of raven wing?

[young pecan]

Mind Over Matter is so so good on Cassia wtf

She becomes tankier than Abelard by just taking that

[arctic talon]

No, raven wing is for bikes, speeders and aircraft/smaller spacecraft

[crystal forum]

today was me trying to print a single tank while limping around the house because i pulled a leg muscle

it's too cold up here printing is so hard

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2P-WomB0CQ&t=0s

[crystal forum]

you know what's crazy

i spent so many years on the internet not knowing what 40k is

even though references are eveywhere

[plush mason]

if i hadnt seen DOW2 in a store way way back i would have been the same lol

[queen laurel]

My first ever contact for warhammer came from a computer shop dark crusade was the game and the first ever character i picked is none other Good old Gorgutz

[thorn zenith]

Gorgutz is Gorgoodz

[crisp heath]

So knight pilots

Are they just regular dudes?

Like if a marine catches one outside the suit are they getting their spine ripped out?

[young pecan]

This random, unemphasized steam is making me waste like three medikits because the entire party walked through it

And it is right next to something you need to click

Stellar level design

[celest dome]

Yes

[celest dome]

Probably. Though they have good personal weapons in lore

[tulip brook]

These guys are part of noble families in knight worlds. They may carry any personal augments a noble would carry and maybe a little more to help themselves with piloting and war effort but they aren't biologically enhanced supersoldier infantries

They can hold their own weight outside the knight with them being trained extensively, having fancy gear and combat experience but even a veteran guard can overwhelm them with them basically being out of their element

My first encounter with the setting is from my space marine fan roommate

I still think ultramarine is a stupid name, ultramar is worse. some jacked up armored group of 100 men being able to conquer a planet is not a fact I can get behind.

it clicked for me after I watched and read helsreach. these guys are sent to places where everything's going bad. a small number of them can change the tide of the battle but it's mostly fought with many forces together and these super soldiers aren't paragon of virtue most of them don't even have decent personalities

[thorn zenith]

i do have some suspicion that the guy who came up with the name was just going haha when he named them Ultramarines, and Ultramar is a later attempt at justifying such a name. And yes it does sound stupid

[tulip brook]

I think GW was originally way more wacky with the setting with them basically selling plastic toys for kids

grimdark worked and they are still going for fun and ridiculous most of the time but some fans take it way seriously

[thorn zenith]

true, true

the fans take it seriously and they had to keep up, ending up with grimderp for the sake of grimderp

[analog cloud]

People forget 40k was satire originally.

[green loom]

There's a lot of stuff like that

Like how the Charcharadons are a later change

And they were called Space sharks iirc

And just a lot of goofy name stuff

[crisp heath]

ah yes, the eldar named eldrad

[analog cloud]

The elder calling humans "mon'keigh" but it totally has nothing to do with monkeys trust me bro

Fundamentally a society where everyone is constantly in a high risk of death... Wouldn't last 10k years. It doesn't actually make any sense. But the vibes are immaculate.

[finite thistle]

it only lasts because the emprah wills it

[thorn zenith]

The emperor protects

[fierce pendant]

Still is in fact

[spark zenith]

I have a lore question, so being entombed in a dreadnaught is an honour for the most decorated space marines in the chapter/legion, what happens if the space marine in question is a junior space marine? Do they still get the dreadnaught treatment? Or is it chapter/legion specific?

Does the chapter master go “nah bro you aren’t getting put in a dreadnaught, we need it for a named, helmetless character”

[green loom]

They won't waste a dreadnought on Brother Petus who was inducted 3 years ago

Maybe if he does something heroic

But typically it's used as a way to preserve dudes important for counsel/cultural/history shit

[spark zenith]

I get 40k likes taking ideas from other works such as dune and robocop but stealing the idea of putting people into giant robotic suits from five nights at Freddie’s is a bit too far

[rocky gale]

Well atleast they didn’t steal ideas from …..Freddy Fazbear, because …..Freddy Fivebears was….

[crystal forum]

is the heavy stubber the only kind of stubber that exists

i havent seen any medium or light stubber

[spring cairn]

average scuffle in Wissenland

[queen laurel]

Ah the favorite neighbor of the empire, the Vampires that can tank artillery barrages just like it's breakfast

I swear the developers absolutely hated Karl Franz

The amount of crap he is surrounded by

[spring cairn]

even the t1 spearmen got 300 kills

[queen laurel]

I hate unbreakable armies

either you chew through their frontline or they win a war of attrition against you

[spring cairn]

it's usually fine, it's just that they have 4 full stacks

[queen laurel]

thank goodness orc infantry absolutely punches through them

[spring cairn]

1 vampire stack used by the ai is worth jackshit

[queen laurel]

yeah at least the AI is stupid in that department

but my god watching as my black orks take multiple damage because the enemy just refuses to quit it's both annoying and ******* frustrating, if I had an option to recruit Harry the hammer for an anti undead army I would

But I don't play chaos and I don't have three I only have two

[crystal forum]

i just found out that this is the vraks equivalent of a heavy weapons team

you must become the bipod

[spring cairn]

are these black citadel ?

[crystal forum]

are you talking to bulgur because i have no idea what that means

[queen laurel]

the models

[spring cairn]

no i forgot the name

[queen laurel]

Forge world?

[spring cairn]

it's citadel something

forge world yeah

citadel is the paint

[crystal forum]

i think you mixed up black library and citadel together lol

but yeah the model is forge world

[normal light]

Yes

It`s Vraks Traitor Militia

They are no longer available

[spring cairn]

i hate frog worl

[rocky gale]

You leave frog worl alone

[spring cairn]

i'll leave them alone when they stop discontinuing the hardest models ever made

[versed ledge]

Reunification wars terra is a nightmare

[rocky gale]

The frogs are innocent

[spring cairn]

nothing stays white forever

[crystal forum]

they slashed the entire guardsmen and associates range and left cadia only

[spring cairn]

@forgworld

https://tenor.com/view/cat-small-cat-tiny-cat-cats-cute-gif-26454510

[crystal forum]

there's a semi recent post on warhammer community that showcases some custom regiment kitbashes that people have made and what makes me want to cry is that literally all of them utilise cadian parts because that's the only shit you can buy now

[spring cairn]

the world will start to heal once we get vostroyans and valhallans in plastic

[crystal forum]

at least solar auxilia is getting some attention

[spring cairn]

they look extremely good

[crystal forum]

yeah the new units especially are awesome

[spring cairn]

can't wait for people to kitbash them into IG

[green loom]

Don't even need to kitbash lol

If the pricing is similar to Mk6/3 marines then it'll be a cheap way to collect guard

[crystal forum]

i'd go the other way around. you can basically throw all the discontinued guard and militia units together into the militia army for HH

[spring cairn]

they don't need that much of a touch-up to be guard but they have so many interesting bits

would be a shame not to mix them with stuff

[crystal forum]

what i really hope is for the new units like the heavy and light sentinels to have rules in 40k

probably wont happen though

[green loom]

They're probably going to be in Legends

[crisp heath]

Was there ever a blank on equal grounds with the emperor?

As the emperor is the apex of pysker might was there a blank on the reverse kinda deal

[spring cairn]

this is what happens when you leave 1 ruin

this guy crossed the sea just to sit his fat ass here

[celest dome]

Not that we know of

Think of Psychic presence like pressure. Blank being vacuum, less than normal atmosphere, with a hard limit, while normal human are at atmosphere while Psyker are at higher pressure, and don't have a max pressure rate

[queen laurel]

F*** ruins inhabited by skaven

You want to expand and suddenly there's just a group of rats on the middle of bloody nowhere somehow

[spring cairn]

yeah but skaven you'd expect them to settle in ruins

not these pagan larpers

fuck norscans

[queen laurel]

Norscans are just sad

The desperately need a rework but they are also one of the most annoying things to deal with because of how numerous they are

[spring cairn]

invading their shithole of a homeland is annoying as fuck

[queen laurel]

Chaos waste and frozen

[spring cairn]

everyone who hasn't a IQ below 10 starts to take attrition

[queen laurel]

At least when i'm playing green skins and i somehow on to get rid of them i can just hit raid camp stance

But when you're the other factions

Boy

Good luck if you don't have a movement gimmick

[crisp heath]

Lore accurate 🤓☝️

[storm jungle]

"I cant believe my army is taking attrition while literally travelling through a eldritch snowy wasteland"

https://tenor.com/view/lotr-whip-gif-20372828

[queen laurel]

Raiding camp stance is goated

[spring cairn]

i'll movement cheese them idc

too annoying

[storm jungle]

skill issue

[crisp heath]

It does give chaos players longer to fight the other chaos factions at least

The order tide is coming, are you prepared?

[spring cairn]

their infantry is shit and they smell, literally chaos from wish

[crisp heath]

“They do be fast though”

“Yeah dodge this bullet dork”

[queen laurel]

Yeah but are they fast enough to dodge goblins that decided to pledge their allegiance to the empire of the rising sun?

[crisp heath]

Me playing a fast flank based faction when I encounter a faster flank based faction (i will lose a 30000 gold investment in this army and hero’s)

Atleast mammoths and dragons fuck though

Undisputed heavyweight champ

[celest dome]

Where there's a whip...

[queen laurel]

Da Big'un would like a word

[crisp heath]

I think mammoths have a larger mass

Nope it’s the same

[spring cairn]

p sure a rogue idol will shit on a mammoth in melee

[crisp heath]

Orc power creep lol

[spring cairn]

not just orc

dlc

dlc powercrept

(but tbh a rogue idol should shit on a mammoth)

[crisp heath]

I will send more mammoths

[queen laurel]

Yeah both are classified as super heavy

[crisp heath]

There are always more mammoths

[queen laurel]

Ikit claws still being a skaven must have speaks truth of this

You can't play skaven without having him

His range potential that he just brings to the table is nuts

[crisp heath]

I’m more a dwarf fan, hope their next dlc is good

Chaos dwarfs just being better stat wise then dwarfs

Agony

[queen laurel]

Yeah they are not on the worst of positions but they need a bit of a boost

[queen laurel]

Bro the new mechanics introduced with them

They are practically the most devastating range army in the game

Blunderbusses dread mortars

[spring cairn]

empire, dwarfs, vampires, lot's of game 1 factions need attention

[queen laurel]

Yep

[crisp heath]

Also chaos dwarfs have monsters that cover up literally all the of the regular dwarfs weakness

[queen laurel]

They are dwarves but they don't have the weakness of dwarves but better

Units that are stronger at holding the frontlines

Better range artillary

That they can somehow attach to a a train to make it faster and give it extra melee

[crisp heath]

I think regular dwarfs have more leadership and defense

But chaos have offensive

[queen laurel]

And actual cavalry

[crisp heath]

Which is more important

[queen laurel]

Yeah but they still retain some of the toughness

An infernal Ironsworn can hold the line just as better as an iron breaker

Then you add the fact that the range units

[spring cairn]

they literally have the same leadership

[queen laurel]

Absolutely s*** on everything they decided to pick as the target

[spring cairn]

and 4 more melee defense

[queen laurel]

Even ikit will get a rundown for his money on the range game

[spring cairn]

comparing dwarf warriors and chaos dwarf warriors

[crisp heath]

Pain

[spring cairn]

so they are even better at tanking than regular dwarfs

and they have 8 more melee attack

holy shit

[queen laurel]

Like they can strap an iron demon to a dread quake mortar and have an artillery piece that is just as good in melee

[crisp heath]

Real statistical power creep

[queen laurel]

What the f*** is that

[spring cairn]

but tbh

a dwarf warrior is cheap

[queen laurel]

You're not supposed to be able to give artillery the ability to go to toe with a monster in melee

[spring cairn]

a chaos dwarf warrior is like 200 gold more

[crisp heath]

The ai don’t seem to care

[queen laurel]

Man the fact that they can just send their artillery as melee units is the fuckin worst

Artillery is not supposed to be that busted

[spring cairn]

ofc the ai doesn't care

[crisp heath]

God fighting chaos dwarfs as Boris is the worst

[spring cairn]

it doesn't interact with the economy like the player does

[crisp heath]

Boris is a beast but their units rip apart my bear cav

And kiselv units don’t compare to dwarfs

Haven’t used shadow of change so that might have changed

[queen laurel]

The ai sucks at using the the factions mechanics

Which is both a blessing and a curse

[crisp heath]

Dwarven airship for their dlc?

[spring cairn]

that's why they gave it ultra cheats

because it doesn't know how to use anything but sheer weight of numbers

i mean, it doesn't even know how to do that properly

it's just harder to beat when there's billions of them

[queen laurel]

Yeah the ai needs some serious work even on higher difficulty

[crisp heath]

Me watching the orc factions hit me with 4 full stack armies with full waaagh at turn 15

And god, vlad

Can’t keep a bat down

[queen laurel]

Yeah WAAAAAGGGHHH is absolutely fun when it's you who is on the wheel

But when you're on the receiving end of it

Not so much

[crisp heath]

I think my worst experience was when the slaughter orc raided my empire playthrough and wrecked the place all the way to altdorf and then attacked me and I barely held the line in the multiple sieges before they ran out of steam

Then the tzarina came through the stolen empire lands and conquered half of the empire

[queen laurel]

Azhag huh

[crisp heath]

And I couldn’t declare war on her and take it back without the world hating me

[queen laurel]

Yeah he is a pretty potent spell caster and a pretty good melee fighter too

[crisp heath]

He killed festus at least

I saw 3 armies just walk into his fort and next turn he was gone

[queen laurel]

Did you at least
Strike up a trading deal with them

[crisp heath]

Nah I made a new save, I wanted all of the empire

[queen laurel]

Yeah i would have done that as well

I would really like to play warhammer 3 but eh

I can't be arsed with the price and ca

[crisp heath]

Empire is more fun then I thought though with allies

[queen laurel]

It's basically a whole new hobby in of itself

[crisp heath]

Befriending the French, dwarfs, wood elves and Kislev then just go ham

The bretoian king was forever locked into sending meat to the grinder fighting belakor for like 40 turns

Was fun to watch

[queen laurel]

Yeah shame karl is basically surrounded in like every angle

So if you f*** up real bad you can get sent to the moon

[icy star]

What do you guys think about this gun? This is the Reaper autopistol

Suitable for the game?

[winter vessel]

I feel like the mag is kinda small

[queen laurel]

Ripper pistols use armor piercing toxic rounds

And our nurgle enemies inhale poison like it's cocaine

Venom won't do much against some of the enemies

[icy star]

Wow, you're right. May then make bleeding or heating stucks?

[queen laurel]

I guess you can have it as type of shredding Ammo because it can use a variety of rounds

But it is also quite an expensive weapon it would seem

Rogue traders in particular are very known to use this thing

Oh wait scratch the replace the ammo part

It's only designed to carry the very potent venom

[icy star]

Expensive? Isn't a bolter expensive?

[storm jungle]

Not really

[queen laurel]

Logistically they are pretty much everywhere and we are using a caliber that is weaker than the ones a space marines uses

[storm jungle]

^

[queen laurel]

So ours would be a lot cheaper

[icy star]

[queen laurel]

This pistol is specifically designed to carry a venom so potent it can kill an elephant in a single shot

It's so good that it's job that rogue traders and even Sly Marbo favors this weapon

So i don't think it will get into the game because it's basically a gimic weapon

Venom is not going to do much against the shit we fight on a regular basis

[icy star]

but it doesn’t have to be poison, you can put something like poison for Nurglitoa in there, for example “soap”

[celest dome]

Soap won't do anything to Nurglite

[crisp heath]

How do gray knight pyskers compare to thousand sons pyskers?

[icy star]

It's just an example

[versed ledge]

Bleach will

[queen laurel]

Ripper autopistols can only use the round their specifically made for

So it will have to be the venom

[versed ledge]

Nurgle worshippers hates bleach

They dirty that way

[celest dome]

Ripper Pistol and Neddle weapons basically aren't really used for main combat but rather Assassination and stuff

So sure it can work, but honestly why bother

[queen laurel]

Our main enemies are also nurgle worshippers

[icy star]

[versed ledge]

When will we ever fight Slaanesh worshippers

[queen laurel]

They would be very very resistant to toxins and chemicals

[versed ledge]

Or Tzeentch goons

[celest dome]

Sm2 will have tzeentch

[versed ledge]

Cool

So tentacles for the space marines then

[celest dome]

I do think that Darktide should expand toward the 3 other cults rather than GSC or another xenos

[icy star]

The game will then become too big

Or is it being saved for future parts

[winter vessel]

I wouldn’t mind a Blood cult that worships Khorne.

[icy star]

Can u handle a 100 rangers at once?

Ragers*

[winter vessel]

Ragers have never been that big of an issue for me. It’s just when I get a no special condition assignment that for some reason Wolfer decided to release his Crusher Platoon and you see 15 of em chase you down all at once.

[lusty fiber]

Guys this video had me SCREAMING

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTD6q962W8w

[winter vessel]

looks at said crackheads
Wolfer: “those guys are dorks.”
Zola: “yes, but they’re my dorks.”

[thick cedar]

Do Eldar psykers have the same random problems as human psykers?

or are they more stable overall

[celest dome]

Seeing as they want to keep games for more than 5+ years and want to have a live service approach, I think it's not to big tbj

[celest dome]

Stabler but still at threat of the dame things.
Better taught for the most part

[spring cairn]

longer lifespan helps a lot too

[thick cedar]

So I read up the lore on the warp and how it used to be much nicer a long long time ago. Would it ever be possible to "pacify" the warp and have it revert back to its docile state

[crisp heath]

You think the xcom aliens would fit into 40k?

[spring cairn]

It's possible

with the help of "mass genocide of all life"™️

take the necron pill

[plush mason]

most likely not, its like fixing the imperium sure it could happen but it is highly unlikely

and frankly its a lot easier to fix the imperium than it would be the warp i think

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/nope-nope-nope-nope-dont-like-that-nope-nope-nope-hell-no-gif-16008424102221617634

[thick cedar]

Well if everyone had your attitude maybe the warp would just give up

[storm jungle]

its basically like asking humanity IRL to stop fighting

[thick cedar]

we just need to release pokemon go again

[arctic talon]

more stable, but if they really decide to "go wild" with their powers they explode even harder then human ones

[thick cedar]

they explode even harder then human ones

Has a dark eldar ever had post nut clarity and go "this is fucked up"

[dense salmon]

Eldar have evolved further than humanity has. They are biologically more stable than human psykers

[storm jungle]

^

[dense salmon]

BUT yes, since they reach higher heights as a given they also have bigger booms

[storm jungle]

An eldar has never exploded from using too much psyker stuff

minus the Eye of Terror incident

[thick cedar]

Arnt eldar genetically engineered bythe old ones to use warp power too?

[storm jungle]

Yeah basically.

[storm jungle]

Also yes lots of times.

Dark Eldar don't have to be way they are, they can leave their life behind if they want to.

the issue is this is like telling a crack addict to stop using drugs 💀

[dense salmon]

I saw a video of a drug addict in LA thanking God for fentanyl because it stopped him from using meth 💀

[storm jungle]

But basically yeah just

"You can stop this any time."

"Yeah but I don't want to lol."

[thick cedar]

Is there a story like that in 40k?

would be interesting to see a dark eldar trying to have a new life

[storm jungle]

Yeah there is

[celest dome]

Ynnarie are in part that no ?

[storm jungle]

Yeah but this defection thing has always been a thing since the Path books.

The Ynnari thing is just a more Cola Reboot™️-esque idea wise

A Farseer or a powerful Eldar psyker can give you a soulstone of your own if you are a drukhari and save your soul but you gotta go through a mindbending vision-trip and accept/persevere through every evil decision or fucked up stuff you made in your previous life

If its too much you'll just have your heart stop and die

[thick cedar]

they should probably fix that

[arctic talon]

Again

Drug addiction

[storm jungle]

the Ynnari thing is basically the same

minus the risk of death lmao

[thick cedar]

oh they re-experience it all?

[arctic talon]

I wonder why vect doesn’t like them

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

Basically yeah.

its to make them more or less psychically "repent"

which in this case is the correct thing to do

because yeah they dont exactly start as good people lol

[crystal forum]

are there any guard regiments that are inspired by any historical period of the french military

[storm jungle]

no

[crystal forum]

weird

[storm jungle]

They used the more popular armies in real life already

so its pretty normal

[celest dome]

krieg

[crystal forum]

idk vostroyans arent modelled after any particularly popular IRL historical military

[storm jungle]

They are tho

💀

[crystal forum]

the kussaks or however you call them?

[storm jungle]

the fuck is a kussak

[crystal forum]

kossak

idk

[storm jungle]

Cossack*

[celest dome]

Aren't Ventrillian based on some old French uniform, Dragoon or something

[storm jungle]

Nah

just in name, thats it

[crystal forum]

you'd think napoleonic french would be at least some obscure regiment since that was literally the name of the military era

[storm jungle]

Or they just had too many regiments already that nobody was buying.

[crystal forum]

not models i mean

i'm talking about the shit ton of regiments that are only mentioned in lists

[storm jungle]

Nada.

[crystal forum]

what more can i expect from a british company

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

i found this pretty cool heavy weapons squad inspired by a french artillery cannon

i could probably fit it in with valhallans since IRL the russians definitely bought some french stuff

[celest dome]

Do the 2 counts ?
Napoleonic Dragoon (Example)
Ventrillian Noble
Pyran Dragoon

The Pyran Dragoons' distinctive look is based upon the elaborate uniforms worn by Great Britain's Life Guards, the senior regiment of the British Army. Just before the Restoration of King Charles II to the English and Scottish thrones in 1660, a Royal Mounted Bodyguard was formed in Holland from 80 Royalists who had gone into exile with Charles after the Battle of Worcester in 1651. Membership was originally restricted to the British gentry and nobility, and accordingly they had no non-commissioned officers; their corporals were commissioned, and ranked as lieutenants in the rest of the army. This state of affairs persisted until 1756.
Well, that's embarassing

[crystal forum]

idk im not that well versed in french military history but it can be hard to tell due to the fact that everybody copied the french in that era

well everybody copied eachother

like usual

americans copied the british so hard right after they got their independence

[storm jungle]

40k Guardsman designers try to be original challenge

[crystal forum]

wait i have a picture of tallarn desert raiders

[storm jungle]

ELIJAH WOOD NOOOO

https://tenor.com/view/stuff-of-dreams-elijah-wood-dreams-hot-ones-gif-22685837

[icy star]

https://tenor.com/view/necon-sip-gif-20028267

[crystal forum]

so heavy bolters are used by guardsmen right

they also have heavy stubbers and autocannons

i was trying to figure out why use the heavy bolter over these cheaper options and i think i have an answer

heavy bolters are essentially the same as modern day automatic grenade launchers

[celest dome]

Explosive rounds in lighter package iirc (Compared to Autocannon)

[crystal forum]

im guessing that bolters have less range than autocannons so the arc of the shell can be used against targets

so anyways why am i saying this

because when you make a grenade launcher automatic it becomes 10x more cool

also i have found really cool valhallan proxies that replace the heavy bolter with a maxim gun

i love how you can tell what's supposed to be a bolter by its muzzle

[storm jungle]

lmao literally a maxim gun

[balmy cliff]

I'm still kinda new to wh40k lore, what's the deal with people calling tzeentch "zeench" or "tits-nich?" I assume zeench is the right way to pronounce it, but I feel like other have a teson to pronounce his name the other way

[storm jungle]

Zinch/Zeench yeah

theres no reason to spell it any othe rway

[celest dome]

I don't think I've ever heard "tits-nich?"

[storm jungle]

thats a meme majorkill started awhile ago lol

[balmy cliff]

Oh

Seems pretty common so I didn't think it was him that started it but I guess he is pretty popular

[crystal forum]

with the tiktok crowd sure

imagine a commissar chasing after you on a sled

also

the names these proxy modellers come up with are an endless source of entertainment

i've seen leman russ being pronounced in several dozen forms so far

[arctic talon]

Lemon Russian Tank

Is my favorite stl name I’ve seen

[thick cedar]

40k Universe is big enough to have anything be plausable
You cant convince me there isnt some UwU Psyker-chan out there spouting memes and anime catchphrases as she explodes things with her mind

[drifting cloud]

I've been playing necromunda hired gun recently; and it made me develop a headcannon for the loose cannon veterans out there...that one day they decided to jump ship off the mourningstar and go to necromunda and become hired guns for the gangs.

[humble shoal]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r354drhgJjQ

[drifting cloud]

I just imagine after my guardsmen boi Hank; finally getting trust lv30 and clearance to the hangar bay, that he just hides away on a resupply vessel and just dips. He then spends the rest of his days as a gang leader on necromunda

[humble shoal]

he'd have to go pretty far to get to necromunda

necromunda is I think the middle of segmentum solar while tertium is on the outer edges of segmentum obscuris

[drifting cloud]

It is possible he could've made it. All he needs is a lucky warp jump, and to just keep himself sane during it.

[humble shoal]

fair

[drifting cloud]

In Hank's mind; he'd rather take the chances to get ass-fucked by daemons in the great void, than be forced to fight them on a doomed planet. Doesn't matter how important Tertium is; he's gonna be gone, fist chance he gets.

[storm jungle]

The creator is making non-40k stuff on his patreon since then too 💀

The wild guess a lot of people had is he basically did the work on 1-2 Astartes animations, gave them to GW, then just left.

because the sus thing is he was making SO MUCH more money than GW was ever going to give him when he got hired

the fact that its been radio-silent since then and how almost every WH+ show has sucked a ton kinda drives that point home

now hes just not doing 40k content at all anymore prob due to NDA

[green loom]

Tbch I think astartes 2 might just be taking forever to make?

[storm jungle]

I seriously doubt it

high budget GW animations tend to be short and this guy is way too talented.

[green loom]

Beyond it just taking a while by default they probably have to deal with company bs lel

On the topic of GW stuff that disappeared

Remember the night lords animation they teased

And the Imperial Knights one

[storm jungle]

Lmao hold on

I got a crossboard for that

[green loom]

And WH40K: The High Lords

[storm jungle]

the fact that almost all of these has been crap says a lot lol

[green loom]

Blacktalon was fine
I should probably try watching interrogator some day

Pariah nexus was great except the space marines

[crisp heath]

So how do primarchs function with necron beam weapons that just atomize you? Would a good hit just end them immediately or what?

Or is there some sort of tools that can prevent that aside from plot armor lol

[green loom]

It takes a bit for beam weapons to eat through thick armour

And flavour text generally doesn't translate to practical effectiveness

By practical I mean plot relevant effectiveness

[crisp heath]

Funky

[normal light]

Yeah, so they can melt a tank

But a plot relevant character, never

At least while they are still needed to progress the story

[rocky gale]

Main characters are protected by the power of friendship

[normal light]

And Plot

💀

Hate this stuff

[rocky gale]

I mean look at the trailer for 9th, a sister stops the necron beam from disintegrating her with prayer and faith

Just believe harder than the disintegration

[storm jungle]

Lost Legion got shafted hard by GW too

one of the members made a dummy account on reddit whistleblowing some stuff before deleting said account

YEP

[normal light]

I wonder why all those projects turn out not very good

[green loom]

Let's do positive stuff and recommend cool community artists

[normal light]

NO, THERE IS ONLY GRIMDERP

[normal light]

[crystal forum]

i think the most surprising thing in all this is that GW has a military expert on their team

[storm jungle]

And the fact that he basically understood nothing about military stuff and was more or less harrassing the team to change stuff for no reason

[queen laurel]

How did the warhammer fan get into the team bro

[crystal forum]

is there a lore factoid that prevents me from sticking an autocannon onto a leman russ as a pintle mount

[umbral nymph]

https://twitter.com/OwlcatGames/status/1753436354627658236

Owlcat Games (@OwlcatGames) on X

The undying classics reimagined. Thanks to Ian Russel, our dear Abelard, for the voice!

Twitter · Feb 2, 2024, 3:12 PM

If yall haven't seen it.
More reason to like Abelard

Giving Abelard a Leman Russ just seems overkill at this point. Hell probably take on some Chaos Titans and win

[queen laurel]

You can just say that that leman Russ came from like a very low resource and not so advanced forge world or something

You can basically mount any weapon on a lemon Russ as long as you adjust it on the right size

with some exception of course

[tough haven]

Forgot there’s not a meme channel here anymore

[crystal forum]

i think as an ork you can understand my desire to put as many large, loud and angry weapons on my tank

[queen laurel]

yes

[crystal forum]

that is why instead of mounting a puny heavy stubber i will put an autocannon

maybe two

or three

[tough haven]

Why stop there, more dakka

Put one of dem humie gargants’ big guns on there!

[green loom]

@storm jungle

Killl

[green loom]

Real

[pine wedge]

cool artwork though. hadn't seen that before

definitely a representation of the Revelation short story

[pastel fox]

Once again Lorgar was right

Will never understood why the Emperor blew up monarchia and then in golden armour with a legion of superwarriors at his beck and call said "lorgar I'm no god dummy lmao"

[shadow plover]

He told the truth and they hated him for it

[pastel fox]

Real

I love lorgar man I'm a bearer of the word man

In a perfect world I'd be the cultist that follows the dark apostle around carrying his grimoire for him

[storm jungle]

World Bearers my beloved

no wait- 💀

[fierce pendant]

dilara word bearers fan

could be worse

[queen laurel]

so Dilara

i have a question

[storm jungle]

yes

[queen laurel]

why the hell are dark elves in Order

[storm jungle]

because they hate chaos

and like real life alliances sometimes you gotta have awful people on your team

[fierce pendant]

yeah for example how mod team in DT discord needs to have Dilara as a warden

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/united-nation-peacekeepers-gif-26198368

[storm jungle]

AAAA

[queen laurel]

damn forced to play with the Knife Zealot

order got it rough

[storm jungle]

fr fr

they do nothing but spam bleed

[fierce pendant]

still better than all the old DE models in Cities of Sigmar

even if it's hilarious to see someone fielding executioners reinforced by fucking phoenix guard

[queen laurel]

Ohh yeah this is surprisingly fun to listen to

Shame it doesn't come in book form

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/gimli-legolas-lotr-side-by-side-gif-16885520

[dusk patrol]

Also Order needs somone to fill the "fucked up this week" quota and they were the best offer.

[green loom]

This isn't a shock

It's like how her favourite companion is Marazhai

(I have no source for this)

[fierce pendant]

no it's true

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Draws you as imperiumjack

[coarse pumice]

Lactose free latte? No, mon-keigh.

[storm jungle]

"Shit yourself."

[celest dome]

You once were a Vegon, now you will be gone

[dusk patrol]

I cast twist of fate

[queen laurel]

Domain Expansion: become a Grimdank member

[crystal forum]

do you think eldar have starbucks on their craftworld

[fierce pendant]

Biel-Tan basically uses starbuck's color scheme

they don't just have starbucks on their craftworlds. THEY ARE THE STARBUCKS

[shadow plover]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/859550877739647019/1182549459163422821/this-fucking-sucks-crying-girl.gif?ex=65851a01&is=6572a501&hm=b758f2c0553eba463b9ab049329c2a6c7bb8288a123df266da53dd87b1f1252d&

[storm jungle]

Eldar basically have everything on their craftworld.

Its a mix of a cruise ship + basically anything you could want in a utopian world-ship.

https://tenor.com/view/bing-gif-25601964

[solemn pivot]

I feel this belongs in lore https://youtu.be/HNEzD5n6SAs?si=yPobY7TDcSNtS-58

[queen laurel]

The imagery of a bone singer singing despacito to build a hot dog stand is hilarious

[winter vessel]

It’s not out of the realm of possibility for Big E to behold humanity’s intellect in any aspect, no matter how big or small, so yeah

[storm jungle]

Except for the fact that we got no evidence of Lemons being man-made.

so him being completely wrong fits to his character even more lol

🍋

[winter vessel]

Indeed. He probably brought up as another argument towards Uriah in the Last Church

[storm jungle]

Pretty fucked up.

[solemn pivot]

uh.. yah.. that. I just thought it was funny.

[crystal forum]

i feel like the emperor's voice sounds exactly like markiplier

in my brain that is

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-punch-murder-markipunch-doom-gif-22412827

[rocky gale]

Counterpoint, Emperor with XQC voice.

Makes the last church far more enjoyable

[queen laurel]

I thought he sounded like skarsnik

[storm jungle]

him constantly talking to "the chat" 💀

[queen laurel]

But then again that would be an insult to skarsnik

[humble shoal]

Emperor as moistkritical

Yeah jesus is a 0 on the moist meter.

[rose thorn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D98KdJtpiQ4

YES

YES

YES

[crystal forum]

"well slap my buttcheecks and call me nancy, is that a religion i see?"

[rose thorn]

i will be THE kroot player

[queen laurel]

Oh neat

Now do the trex

[storm jungle]

https://media1.tenor.com/m/l2PMW3oCsXMAAAAd/kroot.gif

me rn

[queen laurel]

God damn it I want a Knarloc

[humble shoal]

Cannibal space marines disapprove.

[crystal forum]

space russians have no opinion on this issue

[queen laurel]

DA BOYZ SAID "FOOD I'Z FOOD" AZ LONG AZ IT'Z EDIBLE

[versed ledge]

Woah a suppressed bolter?

[humble shoal]

Yeah and hungey marine.

[dusk patrol]

Stalker bolters

In that case a stalker pistol

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/5/57/SW_Scout2.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131001193036

It can fire normal bolt rounds but ideally you use stalker rounds which are just slugs basically

If you wanna be sneaky beaky

[rose thorn]

ME FR TOO

The only meat I eat is white meat, which I rarely do anyway

But I love cannibalism or meat obsessed factions

Kroot , flesh eaters, any cannibalistic space marine chapter

[gray umbra]

You ever play kenshi

[humble shoal]

One I posted was mortifactors chapter

[green loom]

Eating you

[pale onyx]

Hey guys where is Corax in the current setting?

[dusk patrol]

We don’t know

His last appearance was 10,000 years ago

There’s some hints he’s still visiting Deliverance and the Monestary but it’s not confirmed, and he’s never been spotted doing so if he does

[crystal forum]

he's playing poker with all the other missing primarchs

i really dont get what the point of discarding all the primarch was but then again i only started knowing about 40k during 8th edition

[storm jungle]

Their age was done and they had no reason to stick around, making them into a mythical status was for the better.

It makes a lot of sense in many aspects.

Now they are coming back tho because money lol

[normal light]

https://tenor.com/view/xrd-exrd-crypto-btc-eth-gif-23801255

[dusk patrol]

Because the setting was basically the same for like 40 years

It only changed and advanced super recently

The primarchs were background and history with some vague legends of some returning or some coming back when stuff got real but it was always one stroke from midnight for decades. Heresy series popped off and GW has started adding them back.

Although the daemon primarchs have mostly been back always or been there just without models and only a few were referenced much for big events

[storm jungle]

[normal light]

Spirit of Profits has entered the chat

[normal light]

Now, you must continue the cycle, for our corporate overlords

[dusk patrol]

Tbf Guilliman coming back was part of what saved the setting, in general the big push around that time was a huge turnaround for the franchise. There’s a reason they waited 40ish years and only did it when they needed a Hail Mary.

Shit was bad at the end of 7e I believe it was

[normal light]

But still Hive Fleet Leviathan is on its way

[dusk patrol]

I mean yeah they’re not gonna end the setting. Plus it never went away really.

[pastel fox]

beyond based

[dusk patrol]

Nids are never gonna win, they exist to be the faction whose a big scary mass everyone else can shoot a lot

[pastel fox]

guys nid primarch when 😏

[dusk patrol]

They basically got that with the new big boy

[young pecan]

Orks, necrons, imperium, and elves or whatever combining to shoot a big friendship beam at the tyranid fleet

[crystal forum]

i put my printer upstairs where it's only 3 degrees hotter and suddenly my prints are pixel perfect

i can finally finish my leman russ

only took me like 3 weeks

lighting a blunt to celebrate

[wintry scarab]

Are chain axes actually weapons that are used within the guard?

[dusk patrol]

We don’t see them typically but yes

Chain swords are much more common in depictions

Swords in general tend to suit normal humans better it seems

Chain axes for Space marines require a bit more finesse and strength to use I guess.

But guard chain axes do exist

[crystal forum]

chainsword have the whole regal cavalry look

which is why i think you mainly see officers use chainswords

axes have that brutal look

[wet sandal]

The chainaxe is an ork ahh weapon

[thick cedar]

Is there any lore or story of a psyker going mad because they keep scrying the future and keep trying to get the "perfect" outcome?

[storm jungle]

Because they look into the Warp.

You know, the dimension where literal daemons that wanna eat your soul live.

[thick cedar]

well yeah

but i mean

not necessarily from the demon stuff

but the obsession of the outcome

[storm jungle]

Have you watched any movie with that same premise.

[thick cedar]

sorta like the trope where a timer traveler keeps traveling back in time to fix something but becomes an endless loop

[storm jungle]

the future is fickle and imagine something going wrong every time you think its set right.

Repeat a thousand times, it will drive anyone insane

[crystal forum]

slaanesh

thrive for perfection

that's your best place to look for a story

[bold wren]

Perfection or Delusion?

[crystal forum]

perfection

an unattainable goal

[bold wren]

They seem delusional if they think they are perfect.

If everything was perfect it would be boring.

So no I do not want to achieve perfection.

[crystal forum]

that's not what i said. they strive for perfection to an extreme degree

[bold wren]

Perfectionists be like.

There is no perfection, the flaws of things is what makes them interesting. Hence why it's impossible.

[crystal forum]

who knew the literal chaos god slaanesh feeds on unhealthy desires

[signal ridge]

i have a question. is it possible for a member of one chapter or legion to join an entirely different chapter?

does this happen in the lore?

[bold wren]

Yes successor chapters exist.

[signal ridge]

no i mean like lets say a grey knight is saved by salamanders as a last standing member of a squad. and decide to join. is that a thing?

not like sub-chapters

[bold wren]

They were all broken up into smaller legions, after the Horus Heresy so yes.

[storm jungle]

So

[crystal forum]

grey knight? would have to be one hell of a reason

[signal ridge]

just an example

[bold wren]

But they're weapons, so repurposing space marines isn't a bad idea. Logistically it's more cost effective.

[celest dome]

There were the IF who had to be rebuilt with their successors

[signal ridge]

im talking like.. individual people. or just very few small groupings joining a larger scale chapter or legion. not forming an entire new successor chapter

[crystal forum]

yeah exchanges usually happen only in very dire circumstances

[storm jungle]

The only probable one is Successor Chapters offering their Marines to their parent Chapters sometimes for replenishment in an emergency.

Otherwise Chapters are too exotic/distinct culture wise to ever do such a thing, you'd basically be entirely an outcast and thats the last thing a Space Marine can put up with.

The most infamous example was the Lost Primarchs Legios being broken up and being added to the Ultramarines during 30k but this was EXTREMELY covered up, aside from that its never been a thing.

[crystal forum]

it would be like leaving your family for another one

[bold wren]

The Lamenters are a great example.

[storm jungle]

^

its literally incredibly alienating

you are not a part of their culture or homeworld at all

[crystal forum]

LOST PRIMARCH LORE

[signal ridge]

so what i am getting from this is that it is a thing. but its very rare and only happens under specific events or wierd circumstances

[storm jungle]

Yeah and has basically happened like once or twice in lore

[bold wren]

All Space Marines have different motives, and beliefs. So, their battle brothers of their legion are more similar to them.

[storm jungle]

Nope.

Chapters all got their own identity.

its a big part of what they are

[bold wren]

At least they have similarities of beliefs in their chapters.

[crystal forum]

under your example, no space marine would willingly want to abandon their chapter like that. especially a grey knight

[storm jungle]

its the same reason Primaris were so weird

they didnt want them because they arent a part of where their Chapter is from

[bold wren]

Not even the Blood Angels liked that.

[storm jungle]

one Black Templar crusade ended up murdering an entire continent of BT Primaris reinforcements

💀

[signal ridge]

what is a primaris marine in comprison to a none primaris?

[storm jungle]

Basically

imagine you got a family

[crystal forum]

marketing

[storm jungle]

and you get a new brother you never knew

[bold wren]

Sanguinis dying messed them up.

[storm jungle]

but hes still of your blood

yet you literally have never met him

[crystal forum]

tabletop wise they have more wounds

[storm jungle]

and hes suppose to be "better in every way"

[bold wren]

Long lost sibling you never seen.

[storm jungle]

thats what they see them as

[signal ridge]

but they arent different in power or size?

[signal ridge]

oh nvm lol

[storm jungle]

1-3+ extra organs

and like new gear

thats it lol

[crystal forum]

they're larger and have better equipment

[bold wren]

Yes they're stronger then normal.

[signal ridge]

so primaris are the bigger better improved ones?

[storm jungle]

Yep

literally