40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

Shoota's hit harder then they have any right to lol

but its so cool

[queen laurel]

I mean i would be panicking too if the giant green mountain of muscles decided to shoot a green midget at me and that green midget got so brain damaged in his journey in another dimension that he would tear apart anything in front of him

[normal light]

mainly because of caliber I think

[arctic talon]

prolly

but Grot shoota's also hit super hard

[normal light]

cause like yeah

[arctic talon]

and Grot's aren't that strong physically

[normal light]

Hand Cannons

[arctic talon]

Ye

but my point more so is that their tech is like

very effective

[queen laurel]

The guns they are using our basically the ones humans uses to

[arctic talon]

like more then what it looks like

[arctic talon]

A normal auto gun is not S4

[normal light]

Also, almost everything is smooth bore

[queen laurel]

Yeah they trade off reliability for overwhelming power

[normal light]

S3, 24', 1 Attack

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/728174260878704643/1178364672756437022/salvatory_ogryn.gif

[normal light]

Straight up LASGUN

[queen laurel]

But like at higher levels some of the more fancy tech is more reliable than the imperium

[normal light]

There is no difference

[queen laurel]

Damn that is actually kind of funny

[arctic talon]

Ork tellyporta tech being the like

second/best warp based teleportation tech

is hilarious

[queen laurel]

Teleports a giant war machine on top of your fortress

They can literally just teleport their titans on the field which is

[normal light]

teleporting bomb squigs onto your ship

[queen laurel]

Like the best way of deploying a titan

[normal light]

and redeploying in case of need

[queen laurel]

They could literally just be an orbit and just pick out a random place in the planet to plop that down

[normal light]

like Imperial Fleet showed up in high?

TELEPORTS OUT

TELEPORTS INSIDE IMPERIAL FLEET FLAGSHIP

[arctic talon]

Best teleportation tech in the setting is Necron tech

but they're cheating

they don't dive through hell smh

[normal light]

They are not stagnating

that`s all

[queen laurel]

A group of flash gitz open firing would tear through an imperial knight within seconds

Yeah Orks are one of the things that you just don't want to fight in this setting if given the chance

[normal light]

sometimes I wonder why do even care to have Knights and Titans

[normal light]

it could be said about anything in this setting

even humans who will swarm you and poke you with bayonets to death

[queen laurel]

I mean yeah that is true but this is isn't really called diplomacy 40k

[normal light]

indeed

[tulip brook]

Rather than more "exotic" battlefields against xenos or demons most fights should be humans against each other

Same is true for orks vs orks

If unlucky, you get gsc or chaos cults, super unlucky eldar raids, other factions you are shit out of luck

[normal light]

I wonder how Chaos still has some forces to fight loyalist while they straight up wage World War inside Eye of Terror

[tulip brook]

My headcannon goes like: a noble gets to find Celestine fanfics and fall to slaanesh, starts hosting parties which they start summoning daemons and spiral out like that

Most of the time the cults in the realspace does their best with little help from warp

Little goes a long way with all your cultists having better reflexes than everyone on the planet

[celest dome]

They have the size to accomodate the small fights in real space

[normal light]

indeed

[raven stone]

Also time is meaningless in the Warp, so multiple copies of the same person/forces could exist at any given time…

[storm jungle]

Yeah but that isnt the case almost ever

the only time that trope has been used is in the Siege of Terra and thats just literally people being respawned to fight the loyalists

[queen laurel]

and an ork doing the time travel funny

[celest dome]

And the TSon Dusty

[storm jungle]

in that case they are basically piles of dust tbh

and its less resurrection and more uh

"lemme re-gather your entire being and stuff you into another suit"

Fnaf Moment

[queen laurel]

That's what she said
_ an incredibly ballsy DND Bard after trying to court the witch

[wet sandal]

if i had a nickel for every time that happens in elden ring, i'd have 2 nickels. which isn't a lot, but it's weird that it happens twice

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/nickel-spinning-spin-ni-animation-gif-22929500

[summer mural]

there arent enough ork characters

need more orks and less space marines

preferably orks that can also turn into bears

[queen laurel]

It's the same case with fantasy we have a few characters but they are pretty good

[summer mural]

fantasy has a nice group of ork characters

compared to 40k from what I can tell

[queen laurel]

I mean no surprise there but like come on 40K orks are pretty good too

[summer mural]

the fantasy orks have some decent variation among then, sure theres some same-ey ones

although i guess fantasy has a greater emphasis on gobbos too

[queen laurel]

yeah like the only thing that will come close to Skarsnik is currently the red gobbo

and that's it

[summer mural]

well skarsnik, grimgor and grom couldnt be more different as greenskins

even azhag gets the crown even though hes a good ol warboss

[queen laurel]

atleast aos gobbos are having fun

[summer mural]

mushrooms

twas nice of gw to make gobbos just drug addicts too

[queen laurel]

Funny you say that because they have something called Shroomancer

[summer mural]

ive never seen that

[queen laurel]

Shroomancers experience such vivid fungus-brew hallucinations that their magics spill out to animate the fungi around them and bring their visions to life. Thus they are surrounded at all times by comically animated swarms of ambulant fungi. They ride upon spore-belching bloatstools, which can release clouds of magical spores that engulf the enemy when stamped upon by the Shroomancer. They are surrounded at all times by flapping, bouncing and often gleefully burbling swarms of ambulant fungi. [5][7]

[summer mural]

is that aos?

[queen laurel]

yes

[summer mural]

ah

[queen laurel]

imagine being so high your main source of drugs becomes your own familiar

[summer mural]

https://tenor.com/view/high-home-alone-gif-13019295

aos did a good job with ork designs tbh

they threw in a lot of that 40k yellow too

[queen laurel]

yeah AOS goblins are with the trolls and they can even field the true troll king

[summer mural]

trolls, always fighting for another faction

[celest dome]

Can't that Troll even field 100% troll armies ?

[summer mural]

hopefully this one gets piss all over archaon this time

[celest dome]

Was the Slaanesh dude

Sigvald

[summer mural]

yeah

sigvald the magnificent

a true nuisance

[celest dome]

Don't remember what happen to Throt, did he die to Gotrek or something ?

[summer mural]

I dont remember either, dunno what happened to malus either, and malus was one of my fav characters

the writers admitted they straight up forgot about skarsnik

[queen laurel]

Trolls supported with goblins

[queen laurel]

I think Ghoritch turned him into a bloody paste

[summer mural]

someone did tell me malus gets taken over by tzarkan and just dies

[celest dome]

Malus Darkblade: killed by t'zarkan when he finally took power, but t'zarkan was than killed by tyrion using widowmaker

[queen laurel]

Throt the Unclean: allied with chaos and served as master mutator for a nurgle lord.

[celest dome]

skarsnik: last seen in the battle that killed belegar, games workshop never spoke of him again even though he was the incarnation of gork or mork

[summer mural]

[celest dome]

throgg: killed by nagash after refusing to serve

[summer mural]

et was a mess yeah

[celest dome]

Sniktch: killed by oxyotl while trying to kill mazdamundi
Nice, Dwarf 🤝 Lizardmen

[summer mural]

sniktch getting headshotted with a blowdart is pretty on point

[celest dome]

Fking deserved

[queen laurel]

To be fair both of them have less personality than a rock in the sidewalk so that is definitely true

[summer mural]

which lizardman has the most personality though

kroq gar?

[celest dome]

Lord Kroak

[queen laurel]

Kroq gar is at the bottom with Gor rok

[celest dome]

Not surprising coming from a Greenskin

[summer mural]

gor rok is an actual rock

[queen laurel]

Saurus are literally meant to be warriors and cold blooded killing machines

Nakai is also out

[celest dome]

Bok bok

[queen laurel]

He is a kroxigor

[summer mural]

oh i know who does

[queen laurel]

That's all i have to say really

[summer mural]

tiq taq to

ace pilot reptile himself

[queen laurel]

HOW ABOUT I'Z FEED YA TO GROM YA 'SPIKY RUNT

[summer mural]

tbh, its probably tehenhuain, he does have an actual personality

https://tenor.com/view/tehenhauin-on-ancient-stegadon-total-war-warhammer-cult-of-sotek-lizardmen-dinosaur-gif-19626627

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's really hard to find the personality for a race made literally to be cold blooded killers and servants

You would probably find more personality in the middle of a sidewalk from a random homeless guy

[celest dome]

Also the fact that they aren't often shown as the point of view,

[queen laurel]

I mean i guess it's the fact that how do you make something that is so alien and it's way of thinking seem human in its way of talking

The lizard man exclusively speak in their own language too

[summer mural]

how often did the lizards leave lustria on like a mission

oxyotl aside

[queen laurel]

Not much i think

Because they are so isolationist they would give the woodelves a run for their money

[summer mural]

wood elves are probably seething with jealousy at that forest

giant dinosaurs defend it way better than treemen, who knew

[celest dome]

They don't get out much. But there various Temple cities everywhere. Like in the Chaos Waste or on Albion

[queen laurel]

My guy Lustrian wildlife is absolutely fucked

[summer mural]

well yeah

its horrifying

[queen laurel]

The people willingly going there are absolutely brave and stupid

[summer mural]

well theres a lotta treasure in lustria

[queen laurel]

Yeah but is it really worth it to go to a continent where the indominus rex looks like a baby compared to the wildlife

[summer mural]

it is if you're a druchii

[queen laurel]

I guess the beastmaster needs his beasts

[summer mural]

mmm druchii probably cant wait to get pincushioned by a maneating plant

[celest dome]

Chaos Warrior vs Lizardmen tide/pay day

[summer mural]

apparently the high elves have the best navy in fantasy

but how do they fight black arks

[celest dome]

Dragon ship

[summer mural]

Dragonship is just a regular big ship though

black arks are actual floating citadels

[celest dome]

Forged in ancient days, long before the Sundering, Dragonblades are forged from truesilver, an adamant and steel alloy. Heated in the breath of the great Dragons, moulded by the mightiest spells of high mages, it may be the hardest substance in the world. They are adorned with potent runes inlaid from the elder days, and most men can be driven insane merely by looking at them.
Each of the twin prows of the Dragonship is set with a Dragonblade, forming a ram capable of slicing through another ship's hull like a knife through butter, shattering them completely. The Dragonship carries distance weapons as well, in the form of two Eagle Claw Bolt Throwers.

And also Merwyrm

[queen laurel]

Speaking of navy is the vampire coast any good at that department

I feel like they are getting absolutely slammed in their element here

[summer mural]

they dont have the numbers

and they fight each other a lot too

[celest dome]

Absolutely shit, they are for the most part just floating wrecks

[spring cairn]

also you get the impression it's a proper faction thx to total war

[celest dome]

There aren't that many Black Arks

[spring cairn]

but in lore it very much isn't

[celest dome]

Nah, Vampire Coast is held by them

As is the Galleon's Graveyard
Different faction but still

[summer mural]

they exist, but ca did invent most of the army roster, and they also straight up invented cylostra

[queen laurel]

You would think sea necromancers would hit hard in the sea but that's wrong apparently

[spring cairn]

they're just too small of a thing to have big impact

[celest dome]

Not that much iirc, though some are from old White Dwarf kitbash

[summer mural]

yeah, they dont have the numbers, only the named legendary vampirates have solid ships and abilities

and those are very very few

[spring cairn]

and it's still just

1 fleet

[celest dome]

There are about 5 Undead Pirate fleets iirc

More if you count the Tomb King ones

[spring cairn]

and they all have their own goals and leadership

[summer mural]

harkon is a cool individual character though

much more interesting than neferata and manny imo

[spring cairn]

only interesting pirates in fantasy are the dwarfen slayer pirates

[summer mural]

ew dwarves

[spring cairn]

picture it

naked dwarfs

pirates

[summer mural]

I dont think slayers would even count drowning at sea as an honorable death

[spring cairn]

i don't remember their lore

i just know they're a thing

[celest dome]

Dwarf navy use steam powered ships, there is that Pirate Slayer crew, but other than that there were mentions of Kraken Slayer

[queen laurel]

Luthor harkon in total warhammer straight up modified the largest type of cannon in the empire into an artillery

Helllhammers

If you want something really really dead

Shame the empire somehow can't get that but the vampire coast can

[celest dome]

They are just a pirate crew that formed from Slayers

[spring cairn]

but yeah regular dwarfen navy has Ironclads and these fuck hard

[celest dome]

The big Bess ?

[summer mural]

yeah the dwarves have steampunk ships

[celest dome]

The thing next to the ship is a Nautilus

Like what Hedda Bardinsdottir has/had

[queen laurel]

Yeah that unit that requires you to do a ritual to absolutely f*** the poor runt that you decided to aim it at

Incredibly fun that one

[spring cairn]

dwarfs once again being both incredibly ahead of everyone in term of tech and being even more culturally stagnant than any faction in warhammer

[queen laurel]

So you're telling me the vampire coast gets the largest cannon the empire has but the empire can't

[summer mural]

the empire is stagnant

they cant manufacture more than the 6 tanks they have, even though they straight up have those tanks

reverse engineering isnt a thing

[spring cairn]

writing is hard

[celest dome]

If the Empire had all the things that are mentioned in the lore, it would be a frankenstein of a monster faction

Flying Galleon, Puppet Giant, Blessed shield dropper statue, flying Magic towers...

[summer mural]

they do have mass produced hellstorms and hellblasters though

those are decent

[spring cairn]

please ca give the dwarfs flying battleships in the next dlc plzplz

[summer mural]

maybe

give them golems though

[celest dome]

I do hope they don't take Malakai as the LL

[queen laurel]

Aren't runic golems very hard to awaken

[summer mural]

also, give them a blunderbuss unit already

[spring cairn]

it's supposedly lost knowledge to the dwarfs

they forgot

[celest dome]

Yes
But the same apply to Living totems

[spring cairn]

grudgeraker

[celest dome]

They still know it, it's just that it cost the life of a Runelord each time

[summer mural]

yeah grudgerakers

[spring cairn]

fuck it give them the steam mini-gun too

they deserve it

[summer mural]

also, buff gotrek and felix

[queen laurel]

If the Orks can consistently keep their magic strong enough to hold together a rogue idol then i don't see why they can't just have multiple runic golems

In total war

[summer mural]

in the game they probably can get it as a unit

if ca decides to give them , you can justify it a number of ways, including just having a campaign about getting lost knowledge

plus you can limit it, even dread saurians are limited

as are some of the tomb kings constructs

[spring cairn]

rule of cool has priority in total war

[celest dome]

I'm quite fond of Shard Dragon tbh

[spring cairn]

cuz who's gonna cry over old lore the setting kicked the bucket

[storm jungle]

Who?

about uh

way too many people

[spring cairn]

make it as cool as possible

[queen laurel]

Enough people to make a new regiment for the imperium basically

[storm jungle]

^

their cries basically could fill a moat

[summer mural]

and give Kazador Dragonslayer a unique model

make the red duke playable

[queen laurel]

The lore runts are quite a warhammer faction let me tell you

[spring cairn]

i want every one-off mention of anything made into a recruitable unit

[celest dome]

Red Duke I feel like it's wasted dev time, would prefer to have Walash Harkon for the Blood Dragon LL

[summer mural]

fuck it , just give us Abhorash himself

[spring cairn]

also let CA make proper southern realm factions

let's get italian

[celest dome]

Abhorash but he is a LH that is available for Bretonnia or VC

[summer mural]

wh3 wishlist in the darktide lore channel

[spring cairn]

still, top of the wishlist isn't even new content

it's fixing the damn game, creative assembly

[celest dome]

[storm jungle]

good luck with that one

[spring cairn]

so sad the best warhammer title is being mismanaged to hell and back

[storm jungle]

its as good as it'll get

so its not that big of a deal, CA is just awful

they have also basically doomed themselves because nobody is gonna want a proper Total War game after this

[queen laurel]

Buying our products doesn't give you the right to talk about our decisions

Damn ca got that logic in them

[storm jungle]

I love how people are like

"We should do the same boycott to Fatshark"

💀

[celest dome]

The sad thing is that there aren't many rts that are good for Pre-WW1 combat

[spring cairn]

for total war people are rightfully angry and then you have whatever the fuck is going on with darktide

[storm jungle]

Darktide is fine

[summer mural]

wh3 will eventually be good, problem is ca does things at a glacial pace

[storm jungle]

lol

[green loom]

"dude they didn't pull a full week of all nighters during new years, what fake, greedy devs"

[spring cairn]

no i meant how people got anrgy over nothing

in dt's case

[storm jungle]

Nah like there was some rightful stuff to get angry about

BUT yeah it was extremely overblown

CA's case meanwhile is ACTIVELY insulting your fanbase and making the game just... oof

[spring cairn]

sure, but people were mostly frothing at the mouth because there was optional micros

[storm jungle]

Yep

like literally NOBODY

is forcing you to go hallowette

💀

[spring cairn]

like at launch, that was the main controversy

and you still have steam reviews on the store page complaining about that

[summer mural]

also, they did say that all non cosmetic dlc will be free right?

[spring cairn]

and how gaming has fallen

[storm jungle]

Yep

[summer mural]

thats pretty awesome tbh

[celest dome]

For Darktide ?

[green loom]

The story probably pays for it

[summer mural]

yeah for darktide

[green loom]

Because apparently DT cosmetics are pretty stupid lucrative for them

[summer mural]

imagine ca making all non cosmetic dlc free

[green loom]

40k fans are nothing if not whales

[spring cairn]

I'm happy about that

free gameplay content

[celest dome]

The only thing that we know are maps, modes and enemies being free
Weapons at the moment have been free
branchs/archetypes it's still unknown

[summer mural]

well, I hope they dont repeat winds of magic

please fs

PLEASE

[storm jungle]

Winds of Magic was disasterous

[queen laurel]

When the game you want to play is made by the people you don't want to support

[storm jungle]

[celest dome]

They've learnt their lesson with WoM
That's when they changed their dlc policy

[summer mural]

good

[storm jungle]

Yep.

[spring cairn]

don't take it for granted tho, they're very much capable of unlearning it

[queen laurel]

I miss the days when ca made the you get a free lc lord with the two legendary lords approach

[celest dome]

Though tbhn their dlc policy was good before too, better after, but still was not bad

[summer mural]

yeah

although to be fair, ca did did backpedal a lil bit and say they will add more stuff to the last wh3 dlc because it was shit, and they wont make thrones of decay as shit, its still ca , but its better than nothing

[celest dome]

LH are good...for races that are mostly finished
Not for factions that are completely lacking in the LL department

[celest dome]

Not LL though

[green loom]

Isn't their company disintegrating currently

[spring cairn]

any hope for a ca redemption arc is in the coming free content update for Shadow of change but don't get your hopes up

[summer mural]

yeah that

[celest dome]

Wasn't it already leaked ?

[spring cairn]

it's in a rough spot but hasn't reached that much of a breaking point yet

[queen laurel]

My hopes are already deeper than a skaven under city

[summer mural]

winds of shortchange and thrones of delay

[queen laurel]

Don't worry

[spring cairn]

there's unconfirmed rumors by dubious sources

[summer mural]

hopefully they actually revamp the empire in thrones of delay

since its focused on imps

[spring cairn]

only the dwarf thunderbage will save this game anyway

[summer mural]

instead of just adding 1 lord with 4 new units

[queen laurel]

Nah norsca

They are so forgotten the dirt under my boot is more memorable

[spring cairn]

deserved

[celest dome]

Throne of Decay won't have Norsca though

[queen laurel]

Fuck

[spring cairn]

shit stained raiders annoying ass

[celest dome]

Nurgle, Empire and Dwarf

[summer mural]

norsca might never get updated tbh

[celest dome]

Unless they shaft Nurgle and put Tamourkan in Norsca

[summer mural]

or maybe it will after many more updates

the only hope for norsca getting an update is that they eventually did make the wood elves and beastmen very good with a full rework

[queen laurel]

Norsca needs the beastmen and greenskin approach

Reworking them very very hard

[spring cairn]

man the empire in total war warhammer 3 rn is a thunderdome it's messier than lustria fr

[storm jungle]

just like real life europe

lore accurate

[spring cairn]

europe is perfect the way it is (after removing hungary)

[queen laurel]

*Be a green skin player

*Build a race track in the empire

*Get minus relationship with them

*Get good buffs for the pump wagon

*Profit

[celest dome]

'stare at the Chaos Dwarfs'

[summer mural]

lustria and nehekara dont even seem that messy, because you can deal with the shit there since the factions arent garbage

empire units are so bad early game for dealing with the thunderdome

how tf do you expect to me to burn down drychas forest with a bunch of swordsmen and spearmen

[spring cairn]

yeah, the average t2 saurus can shitstomp p much anything up to lategame

the secret with empire is that you need to spam ranged archers that cost jackshit earlygame

[queen laurel]

Then a super rich guy would just afford a line of temple guard and you chew through your infantry faster than a squig eats through chickens

The empire late game is carried by their artillery

[celest dome]

So, seeing as we're discussing TWW, what do yall think of "Eldyra"

[summer mural]

temple guard are objectively better of course, but they arent actually that much better than saurus with shields, and they are very overpriced , saurus will carry you forever

[queen laurel]

Having decent units to hold the frontline while getting pelted by rockets guns and tank cannons

[queen laurel]

I was just making a point but yeah saurus shields are very good

[summer mural]

also, unless they changed it, gor rok's saurus infantry is just way better than temple guard

[queen laurel]

My guy gets lord kroak turn one

Enough said

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/бальтазар-warhammer-gif-23779786

who needs units when you have magic

[summer mural]

but gelt barely has magic

[queen laurel]

I cast foot of gork

[summer mural]

gelt just has the best artillery buffs built into his baseline , and he also starts with a fortress

and gelt has the best memes

[spring cairn]

i cast golden hound and searing doom in the massed infantry blob graciously provided by the AI x 100

2000+ kills

[queen laurel]

Yeah then there's ikit

[summer mural]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wrRpdJqMC80

[queen laurel]

His weapon teams absolutely turning the battlefield into a wasteland

[summer mural]

you could drop ikit into 40k and never change a thing about him

https://tenor.com/view/ikit-claw-total-war-warhammer-clan-skryre-warhammer-fantasy-skaven-gif-25028356

[queen laurel]

https://tenor.com/view/wurrzag-total-war-warhammer-dancing-warhammer-fantasy-greenskin-gif-15577123

I cast foot of gork

Five times

[summer mural]

yeah but you have to ride a pig

[queen laurel]

So?

Boars are awesome

[summer mural]

kinda small

[spring cairn]

look at these creatures they have no flying mounts

[summer mural]

well they do have wyverns

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-laugh-tea-time-pepe-the-frog-crying-laughing-gif-15795660

for casters

[celest dome]

Cavern Wyverns would be fun to see

[summer mural]

the underway maps actually have some nice grimdark design aesthetically, the dawi ruin or a skaven factory underground is pretty nice to see

[spring cairn]

having a flying caster is extremely vital to perfom ultimate cheese tactics in legendary

[queen laurel]

Azhag has death magic and skull muncha

[summer mural]

azhag is a special snowflake

[green loom]

You know

[summer mural]

grom has the best mount

the true chariot lord

[green loom]

I wonder what happened to Broken Lance

[queen laurel]

Those wolves set power records

[green loom]

Or High Lords

Or Altar of Wrath

[spring cairn]

new dwarfen settlement maps are extremely good looking

[queen laurel]

Yeah the green skins have a flying lord can cast magic

[celest dome]

The what now ?

[queen laurel]

That is also pretty good in melee

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9hTVrma4v0&ab_channel=Warhammer

[summer mural]

but da biggest git doesnt need a mount

https://tenor.com/view/grimgor-ironhide-warhammer-total-war-warhammer-fantasy-greenskins-total-war-warhammer-gif-19342795

[celest dome]

Were they supposed to come out in 2023 ?

[queen laurel]

Shame that even though i love him he is pretty much just the least versatile

[green loom]

No idea lol

We haven't heard of them since

[queen laurel]

He is absolutely good at turning things into cheese of course

[summer mural]

hes v good at what he does though, yes

[queen laurel]

Yeah but now in warhammer 3 there are lords that can turn him into a cheesecake

skarbrand

I know you're somewhere

[summer mural]

its especially satisfying now to play as him and barrel down a mountain straight into all the chaos dwarves, fighting to end slavery and all that as da meanest, baddest, nastiest git

[spring cairn]

skarbrand also has way more mass so he can just walk thru units and ignore them

[queen laurel]

Yeah he would spearhead your frontline directly into your legendary lord

[summer mural]

valkia is also brutal

[spring cairn]

she's more annoying

because flying and smaller

[summer mural]

youd think valkia would be better at dueling, which shes pretty much the best at , but she can also just fly around and wipe out infantry very fast, she has some big animations

[spring cairn]

it's very easy to turn skarbrand or grimgor into shredded cheese by shooting them but valkia it's different

[summer mural]

also, unlike skarbrand, its harder to gun her down because shes small

[queen laurel]

Yeah khorne lords are no doubt the strongest melee monsters and lord killers around available

[spring cairn]

anything good in melee that's about the same size has infantry is annoying as hell

like the mall ninja rat

[queen laurel]

At least you have to cycle charge the guy because he has like very little armor

Valkia

[summer mural]

plus, valkia can also fly, so she can go wherever, you cant blob her down like sniktch

[queen laurel]

Plop her down somewhere and she will go to work

[spring cairn]

thx god the ai will just fly straight at you so at least you can shoot her when she does so

[queen laurel]

Yeah the lords going straight to you when you're playing lord killer lords is always a godsend

[summer mural]

norsca doesnt even have ai anymore

[green loom]

Ehehehehe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qHwM7GvMl4&ab_channel=Warhammer

[summer mural]

last time I played, marauder horsemen with axes charged me from the front

with full ammo

[spring cairn]

lore accurate

smartest chaos worshipper

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah this the announcement of the new ghaz model

[rose oak]

So was having a little thought about the best loyalist counterparts to chaos traitor legions, in terms of falling to chaos. Anyone got some bright ideas as some loyalist primachs that would make good replacements as traitors.

[crystal forum]

holy shit gazgul got a new model?

does this mean we're getting new ork books??

[summer mural]

lion?

russ

[rose oak]

But which ones for which gods.

[summer mural]

well russ for khorne

ig

[rose oak]

Only one I could easily come up with was russ for khorne.

[summer mural]

well, ig you could do vulkan for nurgle, hes got the green and the resilience down

also, I think there was some fanfic that had sanguinius for nurgle

[celest dome]

Tzeentch: Russ or Corax
Slaanesh: Lion or Khan
Khorne: Sanguinus or Dorn
Nurgle: Salamander or Iron Hand
Undivided: Ultramarine

[summer mural]

russ as a daemon primarch of tzeentch

I bet hes gonna continue to hate psykers too

[celest dome]

He isn't using Sorcery, only good old Rune Magic

[crystal forum]

iron hands have the whole flesh is weak thing

i can see that turning into an obsession with perfection

so slaanesh

plus ferrus was a good friend of fulgrim

[summer mural]

it should really be best potential

[celest dome]

Well not certain, Necromunda has Imperial Fist just yoinking some Gangers to be used for SM processing

[summer mural]

also I think the ages differ from chapter to chapter too

imperial fists running around on necromunda, avoiding all massive gang wars going around them, " Carry on, we are just looking for kids"

[celest dome]

Still think they should make an Imperial fist Dramatis Personae or something

Have his effect be that he sometime will capture an enemy alive to be sent for the SM recruits

[summer mural]

also

I get that gw doesnt want female space marines, but like

luther was too old to be a marine

so they just gave him bio enhancements

and called him a marine

[green loom]

He didn't go through the same process

[summer mural]

yes he didnt

but he did get to be called a marine

[green loom]

There's a LOT of marines who did the same

[summer mural]

indeed

[green loom]

A good chunk of prominent officers

But I figure the method is lost

[tulip brook]

Afaik the justification is success rate is really low with age

And ofc every revelant character succeeded

[summer mural]

well sure, but is it in lore than human females basically cant get enhanced at all

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-team-hahaha-gif-18072160

[summer mural]

because we have enhanced humans (but not to space marine degrees) men like luther becoming sm

[green loom]

When was Cavill brought up

But what does this have to do with the conversation

Who brought up retconning fem marines into 40k via the Amazon show that'll inevitably suck balls lol

[crystal forum]

some like luther became space marines as adults but it's very risky

honestly to me the whole space marine child soldiers was just a way for GW to market to teens or something

i dont see how it has any effect on lore

[summer mural]

they get hive gangers

fists do

unless they just get 14 year old hive gangers

also, I dont remember , but I dont think lysander was a kid when he got recruited

apart from the implantation of organs , the processes are so varied , they might as well vary the ages per chapter

[gray umbra]

Ferrus and fulgrim got along because they both aspired to be perfect iirc

Late to convo

[tulip brook]

every legion picks aspirants from gangers and it's ok, unless nightlords do that. it was their downfall

[wet sandal]

it depends on the chapter basically

[rocky gale]

Wow the new Balance Dataslate for 10th lets an Archon join a squad of Incubi, who knew that an Archon should be able to join the unit which is specifically supposed to be the Archons bodyguard.

[humble shoal]

Fairly certain they just look through the underhive for well fed kids (because the only way to be well fed in the underhive is to be hard af)

I figured that getting them during puberty increases success rate

[storm jungle]

It basically doesnt matter for the most part.

the irony of it is that you don't need the best of the best for recruits, hence why their blood game-esque recruitment stuff is suppose to be stupid

[tulip brook]

Let's give them a little blood and stick them into a coffin for a year. It builds character

[storm jungle]

This but me at high school

[versed ledge]

The....what?!

I swear there's always something crazy here to see

Ultramarine highschool...you know would make for an interesting dating simulator

[celest dome]

Game was released broken and GW have just been sitting on their hands doing nothing while Fat Shark damage the IP.
Lol

[versed ledge]

Play as a female student teacher whose main goal is to not only teach but fall for a few select ultramarine heroes routes

[storm jungle]

can I just expel them instead

[storm jungle]

[undone zodiac]

Last challenge is to pay taxes

[warm notch]

Got damn

A dating sim set there would still be sick

[celest dome]

And to think that those "rituals" are nothing more than barbaric superstitions

[storm jungle]

dont let reddit hear you say that lol

[warm notch]

So it’s implied that it doesn’t matter?

[storm jungle]

Its not implied

it literally doesnt matter lol

[warm notch]

That the space marine treatments will make super soldiers out of anybody?

[storm jungle]

you can do all this survival shit and still die during the surgery process

[warm notch]

Lmao

[storm jungle]

[warm notch]

I’m just in awe at the major themes of the imperium being almighty and eternal, yet always crumbling and decaying

They’re so fucking stupid

I love it

[storm jungle]

Yeah its why I hate questions of like

"Why is the Administratum so incompetent?"

BRO WHY THE FUCK DO YOU THINK

[versed ledge]

Holy shit, just why....

[storm jungle]

[warm notch]

“Why do they do X? Are they stupid?”
YES

[storm jungle]

YES LMAO

"Why do they servitorise these people just doing their job?"

Because life is unfair.

lol

[warm notch]

Oh btw Dilara how was rogue trader

[versed ledge]

I get training and washing out, but these Marines are just out for blood against these recruits

[thorn zenith]

Imperium is basically "people in charge are both unbelievably cruel and unbelievably stupid at the same time"

[versed ledge]

Fair enough

[storm jungle]

Yo just like real life

[warm notch]

God forbid men have hobbies

[storm jungle]

Its pretty fun would recommend it

kinda slow but one of the best 40k games ive played i think

i literally finished it on release in 2 weeks

I was kinda obsessed

[warm notch]

I’m still on a BG3 high

I might check it out when I’m done

[dusk patrol]

They’re not even that incompetent, people really don’t get how fucking big everything is and how well it’s running for how insane it is

It’s a miracle it does work

Like think of how often there’s minor fuck ups in our world which can be a pretty big deal

[celest dome]

"I lived through it so will you"
Basically

[warm notch]

It only “works” because of how many bodies they’re able to chuck into the half-literal meat grinder

[dusk patrol]

Now make that a million times bigger

[warm notch]

Despite, you know, everything being pretty much doomed to fail if one part of their massive system fails

[dusk patrol]

It works because people make it work, they don’t lack competence it’s just an impossible task

They mention most high lords burn out after a couple years cause how stressful and hard it is

It’s just insanely big

[warm notch]

They’re also very big on not changing anything at all

[versed ledge]

It's like they're training to be part of a special forces unit but 1000x harsher with little regard for safety or life

[warm notch]

So there’s absolutely no hope for things to get better

[celest dome]

Not surprising, have you seen State heads before and after their offices ?

[wintry scarab]

What qualifies a guardsman as a cadian? Do they just have to be born on cadia or join the regiment?

[warm notch]

They have to make it their entire personality

Wait are Cadiaboos a thing

[celest dome]

Be from a planet that was colonized by Cadian regiment basically, so grew up in the culture

[wintry scarab]

Are cadians the most common guardsmen or are they just the most popular one?

[warm notch]

They’re the loudest

[thorn zenith]

You also have low level administratum adepts canonically going insane from working

[dusk patrol]

Yeah that’s the most sinister thing about it, almost anyone it doesn’t matter if you wanna improve stuff or not

The Grand Master of Assassins supports Guilliman because he doesn’t believe he’ll maintain his ideals

[warm notch]

If you want a real answer, they’re just one of the more frequently mentioned regiments. Their w(hole) purpose was to defend an important piece of imperium territory

[dusk patrol]

They’re also very common

[celest dome]

They've colonized the most world

[dusk patrol]

They were a planet of billions

And they exported a lot of troops

[celest dome]

Way more than Krieg

[dusk patrol]

They were one of the gold standards for standard troops

Still are

[celest dome]

And without cheating

[versed ledge]

Makes you wonder why it's mostly Cadians that are seen in most active conflict zones

[dusk patrol]

There’s still a lot of them

[dusk patrol]

Authors like to use them tbh

[celest dome]

and survival of the fittest

[dusk patrol]

But they are common

[versed ledge]

Fair enough

[dusk patrol]

The regiments we know of in lore tend to be ones who export a lot of troops

Millions to billions

[thorn zenith]

Cadian pattern is also damn near synonymous to standard for guardsmen

[dusk patrol]

Not always obviously but

Often

[celest dome]

Tanith

[thorn zenith]

Even if they may not be specifically Cadian, their equipment patterns are

[versed ledge]

It's not even that protective tho...

[celest venture]

Is there lore behind the obedience helms? I want to know if they’re real or just a Darktide thing

[versed ledge]

Well it's good, but not that good

[storm jungle]

The what helms?

[celest venture]

The zealot one that covers the eyes and has the I on it

[rocky gale]

The robocop looking one

[thorn zenith]

The BDShelM?

[storm jungle]

Nah thats just a random cosmetic

[dusk patrol]

Thats an enforcer thing I think

[storm jungle]

but theres a lot of random clothing in 40k artwork that has the Inquisitorial ][ on it because it looks cool

helmets included

[dusk patrol]

I forget the description

[celest venture]

Oh cool ty

[dusk patrol]

The I is just for flavor yeah

[thorn zenith]

The name could also suggest some kind of penitence or torture device, and zealots are fuckass mad enough to wear them willingly

[dusk patrol]

I think it literally makes them blind

[celest venture]

Maybe it’s like a helmet that just delivers drugs directly to their brain to dope them up and make them unyielding seeing the tubes it has

[dusk patrol]

Which is a very Zealot thing

[thorn zenith]

Definitely fits the zealot type

[gray umbra]

I wonder if the imperium has alphabet singalongs

[crisp heath]

I think “lore” it’s a resource issue? Take this with a grain of salt though but I feel like supplying the guard who is billions strong with Astartes armor would be a supply issue

So ya their kit is not much different then mine was as far as PPE goes lol

Will protect you from conventional small arms uh but that’s about it

They do have superior weapons though so there is that

Making an assumption that a lasrifle is better than your standard infantry rifles of today

lol

[dusk patrol]

They already can’t supply most with carapace

Supplying billions to trillions with fucking power armor?

Hah

[crisp heath]

Ya agreed lol

[storm jungle]

Sisters of Battle moment

💀

[celest dome]

There are less Sisters than IG regiment

[dusk patrol]

I would be shocked if SoB are even a 1% the size of the guard

[storm jungle]

its still a fuck-ton

its very much a case of "because plot"

because 30k Imperium's industrial output literally armed entire armies with advanced armor

[celest dome]

It would not be economically viable

[storm jungle]

Its mostly just plot tbh

at least the excuses are viable for the most part

but power-armor still gets extremely mass-produced

[dusk patrol]

Mostly just the SA, who weren’t as big as the guard are now

[storm jungle]

Their numbers were still extremely high considering they were on a galactic jihad

again its just not viable when you wanna run a army as customizable as the guard so it makes sense at least

[crisp heath]

Ya of course like most fantasy there is probably because “plot” stuff

lol

[storm jungle]

^

either way like i said the excuse at least makes sense lol

[celest dome]

Were they the majority of the Great Crusade ? I think the Macharius Crusade was with normal Guardsmen

[storm jungle]

Mostly yeah

the actual guardsman regiments of that time were mostly after-thoughts

[dusk patrol]

The SA didn’t exist after the Heresy

We don’t know their fate ultimately but it seems likely most died

[storm jungle]

Im sure the Scouring will cover that in a throwaway line

they were basically forgotten by the time of the Siege so lol

[celest dome]

Gonna get the Skarsnik treatment

[dusk patrol]

They were always the elite of the IA and they were big but they’d also be the ones who saw the worst fighting

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[dusk patrol]

Hopefully their whole deal will get a bit more focus with campaign books in Heresy 2.0

[storm jungle]

yeah I got a huge SA fan who was extremely annoyed at that

[dusk patrol]

Since GW is pushing them so hard

Gib MaSade model

[celest dome]

Are there many "named" unit that we still have no idea what it look like ? I know of an Admech walker

[storm jungle]

There's a few

generic marine characters tend to hog most of the spotlight

but thats not exactly new so lol

[celest dome]

I was thinking more about formations and vehicles and less about named peoples

[storm jungle]

theres also a lot of those

for example Sisters of Silence got a ton of units

[dusk patrol]

Better quality

We’ll see if he gets focus again. He’s one of my favorite FW original characters.

[storm jungle]

same with vehicles

[storm jungle]

but they got like 3 fucking minis lol

[dusk patrol]

Fought as a no name soldier during reunification, rose through the ranks to become one of the highest ranking and most decorated leaders of the most elite group in the Imperial Army, retires, kids become Rogue Traders, Grand daughter is an admiral. Someone makes the mistake of killing her at Port Maw, he comes out of retirement with his old veteran SA regiment and starts taking it out on those damn fool traitors on his lawn.

And he does it in an exo suit because he’s too fucking old for this shit

[dusk patrol]

If you look at the portrait he’s not so unsubtly modeled after Eastwood

[crisp heath]

That’s true lol

[fervent heart]

So what lore weapons can we get and would you wanna see in darktide

I think chain halberds would be very interesting

[rocky gale]

A Transuranic Arquebus

[dusk patrol]

Tbh there’s not a ton of limits

With what we’ve been given

And it’s a game and FS can hand wave stuff

[rocky gale]

Imagine just pulling up and deploying this bad boy during a mission

[dusk patrol]

Meltas, grav guns are two id like to see

If we get an ad character there’s a lot that opens up

[fervent heart]

Isn't games workshop kinda keeping them on a short leash

[dusk patrol]

They have to approve stuff yes but

There’s already a lot of hand waving

Stuff like force weapons are not common at all

Same with power weapons and stuff, being the Inquisition lets us get a little crazier

Idk if they’d let that get to grav weapons or whatever but

It might

[celest dome]

Atm we couldn't realistically have those

[celest dome]

Grav would be upping the rarity of what we can get

[dusk patrol]

It would be a significant increase yeah

Imo it only makes sense if we get an Ad Mech dude

But I still want it

Same with maybe a Conversion Beamer

[storm jungle]

Basically absolutely everything that gets added to this game has to be approved by GW.

[dusk patrol]

There’s a lot of fun stuff they could do with it

[rocky gale]

Oh yea I know it's very improbable RN, but just the idea of having a 3 minute animation of pulling it out and setting up the bipod stand everytime you switched to your ranged weapon is hilarious to me

[celest dome]

If we don't change the rarity compared to what we currently have:
Ogryn: Heavy Bolter, Lascannon and Multilaser (Also Spudjacker)
Psyker: Biomantic Sword
Veteran: Hunting Lance/Spear
Zealot: Chain Flail

[dusk patrol]

Ad Mech character definitely adds a lot of potential for some wacky stuff

[storm jungle]

We will probably get one at some point

like

Grail Knight was fucking wild when it came out, people went nuts lol

[fervent heart]

I feel like I'd just want more melee weapons

[storm jungle]

I genuinely expect something just as wacky for a new character

the only issue is the voicework stuff is just so much fucking work

that and you'd need to make them fit in with the other reject banter

[fervent heart]

A polearm would be cool yea

[storm jungle]

💀

[celest dome]

But new branches 💀

[storm jungle]

💀

Yeah its why realistically prob never happening

would you wanna be the guy to sit down and go through like 50,000 dialogue options to make sure it all makes sense with a new character

id prob shoot myself

[celest dome]

Zealot Enforcer and Crusader side branches

[storm jungle]

yeah I feel like

MAYBE whenever Darktide 2 comes out in 5-6 years we'll prob get actual new character classes lol

and even thats massive copium

[celest dome]

There is no need for Darktide 2
There will be no Darktide 2

[storm jungle]

[rocky gale]

We live in a post new game era, no new games only permanently updated live service games.

[fervent heart]

DARKtide versus mode

[storm jungle]

Suicide Squad moment

love the meltdown over that rn

[fervent heart]

For real though I want new weapons sobbbb

[celest dome]

Yes but no, I do want them to make new tide game.
Just not related to Darktide in anyway

[fervent heart]

I'm tired of MARKS

Give me new weapons chunky shark

[gray umbra]

Op special and longsword heavy parry passive good lordy

[storm jungle]

That + everyone salting/malding that it makes no sense because Markus wasn't Bretonnian lmao

[gray umbra]

Longsword and shield had an insane gapclose spamming blockattack

[storm jungle]

and that was Warhammer FANTASY

if they do something like that in 40k it'll be even worse

[gray umbra]

I thought it was explained he had bretonnian ancestry or something

[storm jungle]

they did

[gray umbra]

Definitely shoehorned but it was badass

[storm jungle]

but warhammer fans

also yeah idk why people got so mad over it

unlike people like us

"Haha badass knight man sword go swoosh"

[dusk patrol]

The real travesty is the GK can throw bombs

Complete immersion breaking smh

[gray umbra]

Lady of the lake go brrrrr

[storm jungle]

uninstalling as we speak

[celest dome]

The only Prem career that I dislike the backstory for is the Necro

[dusk patrol]

Necro makes me sad

[gray umbra]

What even was the backstory for necro

[normal light]

Huh, what’s the topic?

[storm jungle]

Necro definitely works but yeah

its a shame Sienna isnt a good person anymore

[fervent heart]

Vermintide for some reason

[normal light]

👌

[celest dome]

Lore wise it work, it's just the narrative that got bruised

[dusk patrol]

She’s sharing a body with her evil twin

[gray umbra]

Oh

[dusk patrol]

Hopefully she stops that eventually

But when they killed her twin a part of her seems to have possessed Sienna

Which is concerning the rest of the party

[gray umbra]

https://youtu.be/kNNzVLfasjI?si=nck5Tu3OVgaIEHNy

This video encapsulates my knowledge of vermintide 2's plot

[celest dome]

The journal they did for the Necro was so bad

Like it's supposed to explain how they "accepted" her or something and it doesn't feel like that at all

[dusk patrol]

It’ll probably get resolved eventually

Later storyline

[celest dome]

I still stand that we'll see Hedda as a playable character in Dreadtide

And that there will be an ex-Grudgebringer in the new group

[storm jungle]

yeah im sure they'll explain it

because Vermintide 2 does a lot of lore telling

[brisk agate]

NOW TO BE FAIR, all the side careers aren't canon technically

[celest dome]

Only the VT1 and the Prem Career are iirc

[brisk agate]

Really? I thought even the premium careers weren't canon

Its just uh, alot of mental gymnastics to canonize necro sienna in my mind

[storm jungle]

Yeah no that applies to the launch careers

all the premium ones are canon, they have written entire journals about em

[brisk agate]

Woah

[celest dome]

And the order of appearance is canon to iirc (with the missions and all

[rocky gale]

You don't really need to do much to make it make sense tbh, in WH Fantasy basically anyone that's even slightly magically attuned can become a Necromancer

[dusk patrol]

The different careers are even canon

Cause chaos fuckery

[brisk agate]

Its just whew

Necromancy is preeeettyy evil

[rocky gale]

Compared to the moral goodness of Pyromancy

[gray umbra]

Winds of magic more like winds of my ass amirite

[rocky gale]

No

[storm jungle]

Winds of Magic more like Passing Wind

[crisp heath]

You know I’m a warhammer old world guy over 40K but I like Darktide better just cause I can make my own guy and don’t have to play the Uberseik 5. I’m sure people are divided on this, I’m a very rpg guy I like my character creators lol

[normal light]

Winds of Magic more like Chaos Essence

[normal light]

Character creators are interesting

[rocky gale]

Unless it is a very well developed character I will prefer playing my own custom character 95% of the time even if it's a blank slate with little actual development.

[crisp heath]

100% me too

I still like Vermintide don’t get me wrong, just a thing I prefer from Darktide

[gray umbra]

I too like to play dressup with my imaginary 40k hero

[rocky gale]

Now imagine a new Tide game in Old World where you make your own characters like Darktide and everyone is part of the Grudgebringers

[arctic talon]

You can use the wind of death without necromancy

[rocky gale]

Necromancy isn't actually tied to the Wind of Death, it's Dhar which is Dark Magic that draws from all of the Winds.

Also what does that have to do with what I said?

[arctic talon]

Idk

I think my brain is smoothing over

[rocky gale]

I understand

[rose thorn]

Kroot are the coolest species in 40k

[thorn zenith]

I am Kroot🌲

[soft thunder]

yall think this is a symbol for the Adeptus Astra Telepathica? If so, maybe this means Sefoni is a teacher of sorts for sanctioned psykers. Explains her preference of company, beyond the surface level, a little bit maybe.

[crystal forum]

i wish the guard allowed xenos so i didn't have to look at ugly blue aliens if i wanted variety

[storm jungle]

Xenos are better than just being reduced to boring Imperial slop

[storm jungle]

Also yes that is the Telepathica

And yeah Sefoni is a VERY high level psyker, the fact that she can do entire dream training-sessions when you wire yourself up to her says as much

[young pecan]

I was going to say I wonder why they have her just... sitting there instead of helping if she's a high level psyker but i guess guaranteed value vs. risk, yadda yadda

[storm jungle]

Yeah and the thing is we aren't exactly told what ELSE she does

so i doubt she just floats in that tank doing nothing but training courses

[young pecan]

That's fair

Hopefully we get Sefoni lore drop at some point

Also Sefoni mentioned, obligatory clip of her calling me a mean word

[thorn zenith]

Is Sefoni ever actually nice with any personality?

She wasnt nicr to my loner psyker

[young pecan]

I think they're all the same voicelines, unsure tho

[thorn zenith]

Thats a bit of a bummer

[brisk agate]

Nooo

[brisk agate]

They have different voicelines for psykers

They are listed on the wiki

[thorn zenith]

Ooh nice

[crystal forum]

imagine 40k if xenos were as important as the imperium in the narrative

not seeing ultramarines and girlyman on the cover of every edition

not having every major event be another damn crusade

[winter vessel]

They (GW) won’t listen

[crystal forum]

hopefully they get around to making eldar work with the imperium more so eldar lore doesnt stay stagnating

[queen laurel]

I understand the horde xenos not taking the spotlight because you know they're literally just hordes that don't have interesting narrative victories to get, but at least ork stories are fun to read

Tyranids

Ehhh

Give or take a few acid bombs

the event victory of the tyranids was definitely good though

[bold wren]

Alright taking my main chat conversation here.

Are chain weapons still technically power weapons, as they're mechanical powered tools.

[sacred ginkgo]

They are powered weapons but not power weapons

seeing as power weapons are a semi specific designation

[bold wren]

Chain Weapons is their category. Like Axes, or Eviscerators.

Eviscerators are two handed chain swords some of the strongest regarded weapons even used by space marines.

[sacred ginkgo]

I think power chain weapons do exist though

[bold wren]

Chain Fists

[sacred ginkgo]

Also fun stuff like power chainswords

[bold wren]

Imagine they give space marines Eviscerators with actual not crude energy fields.

And Eviscerators the Zealots used are a direct downgrade.

I mean to be honest space marines did have some cannons that could tear through buildings with sound even impenetrable forts.

The Ad Mech make some scary weapons that even make a leman russ look pathetic.

[sacred ginkgo]

They have whatever the writers think is cool and think they can get away with

[bold wren]

And the heresy age technology was just better and more destructive.

But after the Horus Heresy some technology just got wiped out.

[arctic talon]

They do not posses power fields

but some rare varients do

[bold wren]

They do but it's so miniscule.

[arctic talon]

Kharn has jurry rigged his chain axe to have one lol

[queen laurel]

No they are basically just overly hardcore chainsaws

[bold wren]

That it isn't regarded as one.

[arctic talon]

as do many world eaters that are still "sane"

[arctic talon]

the crab

[bold wren]

I mean many spaces marine do this even loyalist.

The Space Marines always stealing custodes weapons

[queen laurel]

The most popular chain weapon that has a power field would be the eviscerator

Since they are large enough to house one but it's still comparatively weak to an actual power field for a power weapon

It's just a very thin layer to enhance the already dangerous teeth of the damn thing

[bold wren]

But it's crude so it loses the ability to be called a power weapon.

[arctic talon]

tbf

Power Klaws are still power weapons

[bold wren]

Power Fists

Chain Fists.

Chain Fist is a modified power fist

So yes it's a chain and power weapon

Space Marines have the Ad Mech best tech, or especially tech marines.

Many patterns that aren't just given out.

[tough haven]

I wonder if you’re say a psyker in the imperial guard and you’re going up against tyranids or a daemonic incursion, what would the best tactic be? To try and use your psychic abilities to gain an upper hand and accept the consequences of that, or go without and functionally become a more vulnerable guardsman?

[arctic talon]

tbf the best admech equipment

is someones personal stuff or a gift

[arctic talon]

how big is the daemonic incursion

[bold wren]

No the Ad Mech has tanks and soldiers that aren't even used to assist the Imperium.

[arctic talon]

I know

[tough haven]

Let’s say like a localized breach in real space where daemons are out but not like an organized assault, like the veil is weakened by cult activity/summonings or something similar

[bold wren]

War Servitors

Just a psychopath servitor burning enemies alive.

[arctic talon]

For one, pull back as many people as possible to avoid getting exposed, bombard the shit out of the daemons

[bold wren]

Nothing could go wrong giving a servitor a flame thrower.

[arctic talon]

Kataphron servitors are funny

[tough haven]

What matters is that it’s a situation where psychic abilities are perilous but not exactly impossible, but not using psychic abilities could put you at a disadvantage

[arctic talon]

for psykers keep them back

until you have to

clean up duty for any daemons that survive the artillery

[bold wren]

You blast their brains out before anything happens.

[arctic talon]

use guardsmen to hold the line as is tradition

[tough haven]

Like if you’re fighting khornate daemons you’re just fucked as a psyker

[bold wren]

They can control a system negatively, and kill your world.

[tough haven]

Unless you’re somehow a superb swordsman

[sacred ginkgo]

Or you have a name

[arctic talon]

real

[sacred ginkgo]

then you're just fine

[bold wren]

One psyker that comes out as a high grade one suddenly loses their mind a world is exterminatus.

[arctic talon]

For a nid invasion just use psykers

if they explode,

they explode

You're in such a shit situation you have to use every tool

[sacred ginkgo]

just lead the daemons twoards the nids

[bold wren]

When the heretics have psykers on Vraks.

[arctic talon]

I was assuming it was 2 seperate invasions

but if both are invading yeah

let them fight lol

[bold wren]

Summoning daemons because they didn't keep them under check.

[tough haven]

Tzeench daemons could possibly be good candidates for using psychic powers against them, since physical weapons tend to kinda cease working as you’d expect against them

[bold wren]

As daemons can rise from bodies even in death

[arctic talon]

Fall of Shadowbrink is funny as shit

[tough haven]

Bullets turning into like leaves ir something

[arctic talon]

regarding Imperium VS. Daemons VS. Tyranids

The nids won

if you were wondering

[bold wren]

Greater daemons are terrifying as sometimes it's just a random body.

They pop from.

[arctic talon]

the daemons had a "heroic" last stand

[sacred ginkgo]

Can nids eat daemons?

[bold wren]

We burned every last daemon, and xenos.

[arctic talon]

No

[tough haven]

Nurgle daemons could also be a good target for psychic powers as long as you can muster the firepower to put them down for good

[arctic talon]

but the Daemons were fighting imperial forces

before a nid invasion hit

[bold wren]

The Salamanders burned all the heretics alive, and ate them didn't you know.

[arctic talon]

the daemons had effectively "won"

and it was one of those rare times its all 4 gods daemons getting together

[bold wren]

Salamanders burn everything that is a traitor or xenos.

[sacred ginkgo]

and then everybodies favorite apex space bugs showeed up

[bold wren]

And space marines can eat daemons.

[arctic talon]

Yeeeep

the nids made a beeline to finish off the imperials

because biomass

[tough haven]

I didn’t know if against daemons it would be better to do something like shield your comrades from warp effects/their minds from corruption vs using psychic abilities offensively

[arctic talon]

which pissed off the daemons

[bold wren]

Killing a daemon and eating it for breakfast.

[sacred ginkgo]

Thats a great way to get executed or corrupted

[arctic talon]

and then the nids turned on the daemons because they were the "bigger" issue

which lead to the Great unclean one dying lol

[winter vessel]

Normal person: “I had a good day” Keeper of secrets erupts from body

[arctic talon]

and then the Lord of Change escaped back into the warp

leaving just the Keeper of Secrets and Bloodthrister behind

[bold wren]

I mean to be honest guardsmen have amulets.

[arctic talon]

which is funny as shit

seeing as they would in theory absolutely hate each other

[tough haven]

But I imagine reaching into the warp in any way is dangerous regardless of application

[arctic talon]

but the Khornate and Slaanesh demons had their last stand against the nids lol

and got banished back to the warp

[tough haven]

I have to imagine those are just like comfort blankets vs actually functional wards

[tough haven]

Yeah but the daemons just kinda get mildly pissed off, not like they can’t come back

[winter vessel]

It’s like being on a football team and your benched

[arctic talon]

yeah

but its not like they got their revenge lol

[tough haven]

They could though, later, in a overly complicated plan

[arctic talon]

The same bloodthirster showed up in Warzone Octarius

funnily enough

[tough haven]

See actually the lord of change won because it’s definitely all part of the scheme

[arctic talon]

without his friends

he got bodied again

truly peak

[winter vessel]

“All part of my nefarious plans” twirls evil mustache

[arctic talon]

step 1: we attack the imperials, step 2: the nids invade, step 3: the great unclean one dies, step 4:I leave

[tough haven]

Step 5: this sets of a complex butterfly effect where a planetary governor trips and breaks his neck

Also, if you’re a unsanctioned psyker on some random imperial world that just found out about your abilities, what’s the best action for you to take, try to hide from the black ships and inquisition and pray your untamed abilities don’t take your life, soul, or all the way upwards to entire planets?(or maybe very unlikely get some sort of training or support from beyond the established authorities) Or be taken by the black ships, get consumed by the funny chair, or very rarely, survive all the training to become a sanctioned psyker and undergo the agony of soul binding?

[winter vessel]

Primaris Psykers are Sanctioned right?

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-people-funny-crabs-gif-7366499

[tough haven]

Yup, I’m not sure if they are soul bound in the same way, or if they are genetically designed that way though

[bold wren]

You mean Librarians?

[celest dome]

Yes

[celest dome]

Join a gang. And tbh being taken by rhe Black Ship isn't as bad as some other smaller organisations

[tough haven]

Yeah but like 90% of the time, you’re getting your soul sucked out to the throne if you get taken the inquisition

[winter vessel]

Psyker getting ready to do their duty for the god-Emperor:

[tough haven]

I imagine it’s not just poof and you die either, it’s most likely a horrible agonizing drawn out death as your very being is consumed into the psychic conglomerate and the torture might not even end after your body dies

[celest dome]

Depend on if you get found early or not

[tough haven]

How so?

[normal light]

https://tenor.com/view/crab-gif-23568931