40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

mark is one of those actors who looks nothing like their younger self

[dusk patrol]

Just hand a multi billion dollar franchise to me with no supervision I guess

Cause I’m nice

[summer mural]

apparently the idea jj wanted to follow up on with ep7 was to make kylo progressively more darkside-ey and never wanted him to be 'redeemed'

[storm jungle]

the fact that he was voicing the joker around the time of Empire/New Hope is crazy

doesnt even sound like him lmao

[dusk patrol]

And made like two good movies prior

[dusk patrol]

Eight was bad too but

They should have just gone with it

[shadow plover]

However bad the new trilogy was at least The Last Jedi looked amazing

[dusk patrol]

They did the worst possible thing

[storm jungle]

no

[crystal forum]

he has crazy voice range

[dusk patrol]

They just tried to undo the last movie each movie

It was so weird

I still can’t believe it happened

[rocky gale]

Like the big question for all the Star Destroyers under the planet was "How did Palpatine manage to build these with no resources without anyone noticing?"

And then the comics explained it with "He actually built them before fall of the Empire and Vader went there and saw them all" like that makes even less sense.

[summer mural]

yeah, like ep7 was clearly setting up characters in a certain path, and as retro and reused that would have been, they should have just stuck with it instead of making 8 about reversing 7 and then 9 about reversing 8

[storm jungle]

THIS IS SUCH A FUCKING MESS

[dusk patrol]

Jfc

[storm jungle]

that shit is up there with Guilliman somewhow hiding an entire astartes Chapter under fucking mars

[dusk patrol]

This shit

[summer mural]

ah

[dusk patrol]

Dear god

[summer mural]

that

[queen laurel]

this right here is peak fictional character laugh

[rocky gale]

Ah yes the map dagger

[summer mural]

at least mando gave me tasteful luke fanservice

https://tenor.com/view/luke-skywalker-green-lightsaber-mandalorian-jedi-luke-gif-19627631

[shadow plover]

It would've been better without it

just let us have star wars without skywalkers please

[summer mural]

I dunno if it wouldve been better, it was certainly fine without it

[storm jungle]

I said it once ill say it again

Jedi are like Space Marines

a story is great without them

the moment they show up you just dont care

[shadow plover]

or rather let us have star wars without the show/movie going hey you remember THIS

[queen laurel]

why do you think boba fett was so fun until luke show up

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/atst-rogue-one-star-wars-star-wars-gif-25085798

https://tenor.com/view/lightsaber-mike-stoklasa-half-in-the-bag-red-letter-media-rogue-one-gif-15394841

[dusk patrol]

Oh shut up that was cool

[shadow plover]

it is why Andor is the best star wars in decades

[storm jungle]

^

[summer mural]

just optimize jedi survivor for pc, and make more andor and rogue one stuff

[storm jungle]

Andor being the most footnote character in the entire setting yet having the best show is poetic justice at its finest

[shadow plover]

Mando was great for almost a full season

[summer mural]

also, stellan skarsgard was such an absolute gem in andor

idgaf about andor himself, just show me LUTHEN

[storm jungle]

Andor is good.

https://tenor.com/view/andor-kino-loy-there-is-one-way-out-andy-serkis-one-way-out-gif-27095101

[summer mural]

oh that prison thing was amazing

[storm jungle]

I dont think ive ever teared up as much as when they are about to escape

[summer mural]

I was not expecting that

[storm jungle]

and he just goes "I can't swim..."

💀

[summer mural]

classic andy serkis

[storm jungle]

Andy is a legend

[summer mural]

" APES TOGETHER STRONG"

[shadow plover]

https://tenor.com/view/drowning-gif-5250486

[summer mural]

" I cant...swim"

[storm jungle]

god

[summer mural]

" my precious"

[storm jungle]

the delivery of that, fuck

nothing beats mass-prison escapes ever

[summer mural]

40k has the best prisons tbh, isnt there that one prisoner the deathwatch hold thats invisible and they cant ever detect it, so they just keep going into an empty prison cell to bait it

and it never works

[rocky gale]

I love Rogue One because when every other show is going "Hey here's the same old thing you know" Rogue One was just throwing in new designs, like here's a Tanktrooper, here's a Shoretrooper, here's a Deathtrooper, heres a Tie Reaper, here's a Tie Striker

and they're some of the coolest designs we've seen.

[summer mural]

whats a tie reaper

[rocky gale]

It's an attack lander

[summer mural]

oh I never noticed thats actually a tie model

im noticing it now

[dusk patrol]

Fun fact, TIE fighters are produced on a planet called TIEland

I made that up, but it sounds like it could be true doesn’t it?

[summer mural]

about as true as tyranids being named so because they devoured tyran first

[shadow plover]

it would be more believable if the name were Tie not TIE

[dusk patrol]

Oh yeah that was the issue

[rocky gale]

Actually they're manufactured by the Sienar Fleet Systems which while headquartered on the planet Lianna was founded on and has most of their production on Corulag. 🤓

[storm jungle]

GET OUT

[rocky gale]

I wish I could get the information out, but it's stuck

[storm jungle]

[rocky gale]

No room for useful information, it's all Star Wars lore

Lianna was also where the Firebird Society was founded, an all female Pro Imperial paramilitary organisation which would assassinate misogynistic officers and promote the military careers of fellow women.

[summer mural]

imagine if they just ate ultramar first, then wed have ultranids everywhere

[dusk patrol]

Well they did try

[shadow plover]

they should be called Squatids...

[dusk patrol]

No

[summer mural]

so

terra's probably a necron tombworld amirite

[shadow plover]

unlikely

[storm jungle]

Squat-tits?????

https://tenor.com/view/rock-and-stone-deep-rock-galactic-gif-25114877

[shadow plover]

[dusk patrol]

No

Mars probably was

Or had some Necron stuff

[summer mural]

was there no zombie plague before typhus

[storm jungle]

What

[summer mural]

did typhus invent the plague that makes folks undead

[shadow plover]

no

[summer mural]

did it have like, a first sighting event

[shadow plover]

it's mostly just a common effect of nurgle corruption

earliest the humanity encountered it was probably just before the heresy when the Sons of Horus went to meet an old friend to a moon

[summer mural]

It is? I thought it was a specific event that happened at some point when folks start getting back up to attack

[storm jungle]

The walking pox's big intro into 40k was around the mid 2000's when zombie stuff was the entire rage in fiction and every universe was doing their own take on it for a buck, its the general origin point of it in 40k before GW took and expanded on it properly with poxwalkers, notice how in this official artwork they just look like generic zombies lol

[summer mural]

I see

[storm jungle]

so it was chasing a fad that ended up sticking around and given its 40k flair

[shadow plover]

there were also undead models for Rogue Trader iirc

[storm jungle]

I just noticed the gasmak has a maggot protruding out of it HUERGH-

[storm jungle]

Also yeah the RPGs were its rough introduction at the time

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/mtv-LQTemMk?si=r36uhcheqPoWBd4U @storm jungle lore chat

[shadow plover]

poxwalker origins???

[storm jungle]

NOOOOO

[wintry scarab]

Did christianity exist in warhammer at some point?

[rocky gale]

Yes

In general 40k is implied to be the future of our world so most things that exist in our timeline (unless stated otherwise) can be assumed to have existed in their timeline, it's just not going to be mentioned much because it's ancient history that isn't super relevant to any of the story, but in 30k there was the Catheric faith which is believed to be a derivation of Catholicism.

[gray umbra]

Did tiktok cause the age of strife

[arctic talon]

That’s actually the plague of unbelief, not walking pox 🤓

[celest dome]

Once again AoS has a great sculpt

[arctic talon]

AoS stays winning

The kroot guy is cool as well ig

[celest dome]

Compared to the 40k one

[arctic talon]

But the AoS free guild commander

Blows them out the water

[celest dome]

It's not bad, but Crow Knight is just superb

[winter vessel]

I’d say what caused the Horus Heresy was the war master, after he got stabbed by the Anathame blade, saw a vision where him and his brothers would suffer from balding.

[celest dome]

And it has a lot of kitbash potential

[arctic talon]

Wonder what city he’s supposed to represent

Since it can’t be hammerhal Ashqa

[celest dome]

Probably the leftmost one

Can't find the name though

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

I think it’s Lethis?

[celest dome]

Lethis, or the Raven City, is a City of Sigmar that was built on the shores of Lake Lethis within the underworld of Stygxx in the Realm of Shyish.
Would make sense

The Free City of Lethis goes against typical Azyrite tradition and fields only a singular Freeguild, the Blackshore Guard, though they are comparable to several minor guilds in size. They are known for their uniforms which are comprised of black greatcoats and silver breastplates, they also carry many charms dedicated to Morrda that ward against the undead

[arctic talon]

Building a city inside of Shyish is crazy 💀

[celest dome]

I'd love to see good concept game for AoS

[queen laurel]

an an actual rts with base building would be fun

[celest dome]

Yeah, not the rubbish they tried with Realm of ruin

Some good old golden age rts

[queen laurel]

Yeah now that I play mark of chaos they borrowed a good chunk of elements from that game

but realms of ruin definitely you know ruined their game

The story isn't even that bad it's actually one of the strong points of the game

[celest dome]

I think the game had great potential, it just had the glaring issue from the design point

[queen laurel]

Making it a semi RTS was definitely a fail

Like come on I want to build a building I want to watch a weak goblin hit a spot 20 times to make a barracks

[rocky gale]

I want this model so badly, shame it's event exclusive

[celest dome]

Same

[rocky gale]

Pretty sure I'd have to go to a different country just to attend a Warhammer event

[young pecan]

Are there psykers who can force people succumb to chaos/warp on purpose?

I know strong psykers make people bug out by their presence alone but I mean intentionally

[celest dome]

Like mutate ?

[young pecan]

Maybe? I guess succumbing to a god or even warp in general

Like bending their will

[celest dome]

You can channel raw warp to mutate people and basically make them into Warp Spawns for example

[storm jungle]

Yeah they can.

basically every magic trick in fiction is in the book

[celest dome]

Oh that too, telepathy discipline has a couple

[young pecan]

Oo sick

I guess that would make sense, in-game psykers (at least one personality) regularly admits to mind reading

Don't see why control can't be there too

[celest dome]

I could see them do a telepathy heavy branch, with Dominate being the blitz or ability letting the Psyker convert some enemies

[young pecan]

Converting a crusher and watching him overhead-pancake like 30 infested

[rocky gale]

There's an example of a Psyker/Chaos Sorcerer using the forced mutation on someone in Plague Song.

[summer mural]

there arent enough bears in 40k

[celest dome]

Better to convert the Gunners tbh

[young pecan]

Kislevite spotted

[summer mural]

we have werewolves and vampires, where are the marines that transform into bears

theres even the marines with draconic mutations sprouting out of their limbs

BEARS

[celest dome]

Werebear are less common in fiction

[gray umbra]

Theres a mission dt where you have to shut down a transmission because it just subconsciously converts people to chaos

[summer mural]

https://tenor.com/view/werebear-gif-27638795

well yes

but bears!

even space sharks have a literal shark aesthetic going on

[gray umbra]

Werecantelope

[celest dome]

TW3 Norsca doesn't have Bearstruck

[summer mural]

norsca barely exists in tw3

most neglected by far, unless I straight up forgot some

[young pecan]

Thankfully, I hate some of their units 😌

[summer mural]

werekin are cool

[young pecan]

Not nearly as bad as Tzeentch though

[summer mural]

the rest is very meh, especially since now theres a million other chaos factions

[young pecan]

Fuck Kairos and his pinks/blues

[summer mural]

that all use marauders

[young pecan]

So obnoxious

[celest dome]

I still hate how CA is treating the Monogod. They could have done so much better on the post release treatment

[summer mural]

rip nurgle

[young pecan]

If you want fast results, I suppose, but a consistent bodyguard is def crusher because I imagine like no enemies could do damage to it

[summer mural]

crusher wont be able to keep up with you though

mind control all the bombers

one fire nade is probably worth more than 2 gunners

[young pecan]

Good flank guard plus when fighting starts, he'll have time to catch up methinks

[celest dome]

I think they would have to have some sort of decay, or at the very least have it be temporary

And no Specials prob

[summer mural]

mind control would be kinda sus as a mechanic though, since youd probably be giving up a way to delete hvts off the map so you could use mind control instead

necromancy on the other hand

[celest dome]

Necromancy isn't a thing in 40k for Psyker i think
Best way would be reusing the Necro's mechanic on a Tech Adept with Servitors

Tbh for the Psyker I want to see a new branch that is based on Biomancy and temporal power
Statis Shell and Warp Speed

[summer mural]

temporal powers would be nice

imagine if you had an aura that sped up time for you and your team, or slowed it down for enemies

[celest dome]

Slowed enemies would would be less jarring for the other players

[summer mural]

so you have stuff like faster movement/firing speed/reload/attck speed etc in one go for like xyz time

or in a chosen radius

[celest dome]

Warp Speed as some lightning clad leap ability

[summer mural]

also a force pull kinda thing wouldnt be so bad either

just pull a ranged enemy to you

like a sniper or a gunner

[crystal forum]

i regularly forget that this server is darktide

[young pecan]

True, I would hope you could get some non-disabler specials though

A sniper that hunted elites and other specials would be so cool but maybe busted

Probably would be best to keep it at controlling elites

Controlling a burster would be cool, but do they count as specialists or just infested?

[celest dome]

specialist

[young pecan]

Shame

[celest dome]

Infested is just an armour type

[young pecan]

Psykhanium bursters when

[celest dome]

Huh, I never noticed that they were missing

[young pecan]

Me neither until today

[summer mural]

we dont have bursters in the psykhanium?

[young pecan]

Naur

[summer mural]

I never noticed either

some things are too traumatic to be simulated

[young pecan]

Hitting poxburster BPs >>>>

[summer mural]

its for the better 🙏

well

generally not worth shooting em anyway

unless you just dont have a choice

melee push back dodge works quite well

[young pecan]

I shoot them when the director does that silly little thing where it perfectly spaces two of them to where the other will explode you via chain detonation after you push the first one

[summer mural]

plus, most folks seem to do that now anyway, so you risk blowing up your teammate because you were gunning down a burster and didnt notice your teammate was running to it to push it back

[crystal forum]

im reading this old valhallan book and this is the first time i see the terms "plasfibre" and "thermoplas" used

it's apparently what the valhallan greatcoat is made from

i dont really get why "plas" is used

you'd think it would be "synthfibre" and "thermofiber"

[arctic talon]

Plas as in plastic maybe? Idfk

But you’re correct on it being weird

[crystal forum]

plasfibre could literally be nylon or something because plastic and a fiber

but i thought "plas" meant the material property

like plasteel being steel or another metal with extra sci fi plasticity

not it literally being plastic

[storm jungle]

sounds sci-fi enough

yeet

thats how the authors think, dont dwell on it lmao

[crystal forum]

nah nah it just annoys me a bit

it doesnt follow the standard of these 40k terms

this is a part of sci fi that's rarely mentioned though

people love talking about how realistic sci fi physics are but rarely the chemistry

[storm jungle]

bro

the standard 40k terms are literally just as stupid

I got an entire lexicon of them

[crystal forum]

they follow a pattern though

[storm jungle]

they really dont

• Necessarium: Toilet
• Penetentium: Penitentiary
• Repulsor rail-links
• Serf-Warrens
• Underfactorums
• Giga-factorums
• Macro-refineries
• Scrambled Embriyoks (Scrambled Eggs)
• Meatslabs (food)
• Nutribars (food)
• Nutrient-boost (food)
• Caffeine-slug (food)
• Vitgruel (vitamin gruel)
• Feeder-station

this is just the tip of the iceberg

[crystal forum]

i want to try vitgruel

it sounds good

[storm jungle]

basically its all made up

dont think about it

[crystal forum]

but i meant the materials

like plasteel, rockrete

wait is it rocrete

what else uh

i think ferrocrete

[queen laurel]

Imagine hearing someone say

I will make you caffeine slug so vile you wish you had drank water from the Necessarium

[crystal forum]

which is like a magical combination of iron and concrete

[storm jungle]

its basically a caffeine-pill

[celest dome]

Aren't Nutribar something in RL though ?

[storm jungle]

which is ew

[storm jungle]

yeah but its not exactly a copyrightable term

nutrient + bar

[crystal forum]

would it be iron with the properties of concrete or concrete with the flexibility of iron

[queen laurel]

I bet a single bite is equivalent to like 50 monster cans

[celest dome]

Isn't it just reinforced concrete ?

[crystal forum]

no it's a magical sci fi material

[storm jungle]

so literally reinforced concrete

[crystal forum]

no no you dont understand, that would be too complicated to read for the average 40k fan

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

also yeah according to the wiki it's a combination of metal alloys, ceramics and rock (!?)

you know, just rock

so i guess it's like reinforced concrete except it doesnt need rebar

dont quote me on this i failed highschool chemistry and never retook it

[storm jungle]

I failed a lot of things in high school yet graduated from one of the best universities in Turkey

dont worry about it, school is pointless and useless

[queen laurel]

Sometimes the school ain't Schooling

[storm jungle]

"Preparing you for life"

Yeah sure

[queen laurel]

Which makes me want to grab a concrete rebar and beat up a random pedestrian

[crystal forum]

preparing you to be broke

[queen laurel]

I am severely stupid which is true

But like come on

School is very rarely fun at all

[crystal forum]

the only thing i have experience with that can be applicable to 40k is lasers. but any level of knowledge about them makes you realize how pointless it is to argue about their realism

[celest dome]

I quite liked it when I wasn't in secondary and didn't have literatures and stuff

[queen laurel]

Everytime i hear someone talk about realism in 40k i pop a nerve but i can repair it with super glue most of the time

[celest dome]

I don't exactly know the name of my cursus, it's not University, but I don't think it's trade school

[queen laurel]

My brother in christ in this setting gravity can be harnessed into a gun why the hell are you talking about physics and god damn super matter or some shit

[crystal forum]

it's fun to realize the amount of crazy sci fi shit the setting requires but yeah it's also why arguing about laser recoil is pointless

[queen laurel]

It's fun but sometimes people just blow it out of proportion to the point that i will not hesitate to grab a nearby wrench and cripple a homeless guy out of anger

I have seen some people straight up pull the dumbest arguments because of trying to bring in realism to the equation

[crystal forum]

like sure you can measure the force a certain power of light can produce but you're already going with the idea that such a laser can be portable by a guardsman

[celest dome]

Found it, Tertiary college

[crystal forum]

meanwhile guns have recoil. who cares about the realism when gun recoil looks so right?

i watched a video the other day that helped me rationalize it. people want authenticity, not realism

but they expect authenticity to be tied to real life, not the constraints of the setting

people who want realism in 40k are just applying their own idea of what the setting should be. they expect realism to be the gold standard

but if you know anything about the history of art itself you'd know that this idea was proven to be bullshit like 200 years ago when art colleges stopped having a monopoly on what's "good"

[gray umbra]

Those same people probably think tarkov is realistic

Meanwhile this scav i shot in the ass usain bolts out of the room the moment i shot him

[unreal shore]

heya,question on the darktide-lore side of things.
why dont they just execute the player? i mean especially on psychers that picked disobedience or wrong belief would probably executed since unlike ogryns psychers have (most likely) to hang onto those beliefes and keep being a heretic

[queen laurel]

Well we are useful and well you know we don't have a lot of replaceable fodder

[storm jungle]

They are useful.

[spring cairn]

well, they were awaiting execution on the Tancred Bastion basically

[unreal shore]

my tinfoil hat theory is is that the inquisitor is a agent of chaos just wasting imperial ressources and feeding souls to nurgle

[spring cairn]

but since you prove yourself useful during the incident

you get a pass

[storm jungle]

no

[celest dome]

The Tancred Bastion was on the way to the sector's Penal system, Psyker were to be put on special quarter, supposedly to be given to the Black Ships

[unreal shore]

yeah but your character keeps saying stuff like ,,worship me" or mocking ,,for the emperor" amd they can hear the vox sooo...eeeh?

[storm jungle]

Its whatever

and thats just Loner

its not like he isnt wrong

[queen laurel]

Yeah he is nuts he is talking to outside forces

( us )

[storm jungle]

^

[celest dome]

It's the Inquisition, if there is one organisation that isn't supposed to see the Emperor as a god and stuff
It's them

[unreal shore]

but wouldnt the common soldiers or just squadmates (especially zealot) kill you for these heretical comments?

[storm jungle]

They put up with it because they are teammates

and you got a mission to do

[queen laurel]

Friendly fire isn't really useful

Executing your teammate while in the middle of a horde eating you isn't really the smartest of ideas

[celest dome]

They wouldn't be allowed to

[spring cairn]

going against the will of an Inquisitor would be even more heretical

in the mind of such zealots

[unreal shore]

ooh

thought it was just see heretic -> shoot heretic no further authority required

[storm jungle]

Just like IRL it isnt that simple so no

[queen laurel]

Yeah just because you saw a black man near a robbery doesn't mean you are allowed to shoot him immediately that just means it's racist

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[queen laurel]

You have to investigate and understand

[storm jungle]

too close

[crystal forum]

the intro of the game explains this, when selecting the type of crime you commited it says how each one can be a tiny offense taken out of proportion by a superior

and after saving the lady in the intro you manage to show how useful you are

all the cutscenes from around level 1 to 25 you're constantly being treated like expendable trash

[hallow plover]

because we are

[crystal forum]

yes

just slightly too useful to be executed

[storm jungle]

basically IRL

[crystal forum]

sedition is the funniest one because it could be caused by something as simple as saying your boss is an asshole

[winter vessel]

I already knew the mole was sus when her garbs for being imprisoned was the “Misplaced Faith” color

[storm jungle]

@soft thunder Was looking at the strung up corpses of the trailer crew again and this popped up, I know you like small details so heres your squad name for them lol

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/195404877688602624/1201638104793096344/IMG_9566.png?ex=65ca8bb1&is=65b816b1&hm=c6a6c162e9cc2ef085c0f3bb598cd1f158d83b4ae47bb1a45eb37830a43ba2bb&

Tau empires calmest kroot

[young pecan]

Good attention to detail there

[young pecan]

Loner psyker, affectionately named "Spleen", on his way to mock the emperor in the middle of three fanatic zealots:

[crystal forum]

sanctioned psykers have already been closer to the emperor than any zealot will ever come in their life so they have that going for them

[young pecan]

I love the theory that "Beloved" is a shard of the emperor's psychic presence/mind/whatever

To my knowledge the motivations seem to line up, though I only started paying attention to that personality recently

[crystal forum]

honestly when it comes to the warp, does it really matter?

i've read too many stories where the voice ends up being some tzeench demon

and it could very well be another chaos god trying to fuck with nurgle for the hell of it

[young pecan]

If that's the case, it'd almost def be Tzeentch given how much they hate each other

And the nature of the "Beloved" as well

[crystal forum]

exactly. you can never tell with the warp

[unreal shore]

btw why dont they just exterminatus that planet? its all corrupted beyond saving

is there like an ingame explanation?

[crystal forum]

it's not corrupted beyond saving. that's why we're saving it

[storm jungle]

It makes important resources

and yeah you dont just exterminatus planets randomly

it is the absolute LAST resort

[crystal forum]

the whole chaos uprising only recently started by the start of the game

[unreal shore]

i mean a virus bomb to get rid of the atmosphere still leaves the ressources in the planet intact soooooo

[arctic talon]

The planet is still “clean enough”

[storm jungle]

Then you kill the population who are important slave labor and workers

[arctic talon]

You’re still burning all the infrastructure to ash

[storm jungle]

^

[crystal forum]

somebody who hasn't read the first horus heresy books

[arctic talon]

After a virus bomb the sludge + gas is ignited

Generally speaking

[unreal shore]

books expensive, youtube channels make due

[crystal forum]

the author goes into a lot of detail with the virus bombing

basically everything is gone

[unreal shore]

how does a virus get to iron or copper ore IN the planet,viruses only harm ogranic matter as far as i last checked

[storm jungle]

Bro you are literally chemical warfare'ing an entire planet

💀

[arctic talon]

They set everything on fire

After it

So like

[crystal forum]

the planet's resources arent just its minerals

[arctic talon]

^

[unreal shore]

istvaan 3 was also virus bombed multiple times and theres still ruins and metal left

[crystal forum]

how will you mine those minerals with all your dump trucks melted

[storm jungle]

half of it is sludge

[crystal forum]

it was only once no?

[unreal shore]

idk i remember it being ,,virus bombs" but idk

[crystal forum]

the only things that survived were the bunkers and very deep tunnels

[arctic talon]

It only got virus bombed once yeah

[crystal forum]

but again a hive world's resources are its manpower and factories

[arctic talon]

But it was multiple bombs

If it got virus bombed multiple times

They would have fire bombed it twice as well lol

[storm jungle]

yeah but Angron had to go down

[crystal forum]

my favorite part of that book is when the main character (i think saul?) finds the world eaters and they've built barricades made of dead bodies because the entire hive was mind controlled to swarm them

the idea of a dead body fort like they're kids on sleepover

[storm jungle]

Saul Goodman?

[unreal shore]

saul guiliman

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/3d-saul-saul-goodman-adamghik-gif-23876766

[crystal forum]

saul tarvitz i think

the emperor's children dude

[arctic talon]

The perfect body shape for a support structure

[young pecan]

I still think the emperor shard theory is the most interesting and maybe even fitting way to view that psyker personality, wouldn't bet all of my money on it but would definitely bet most of it though

[storm jungle]

yeah because people forget the Beloved makes active suggestions that help the team

like telling the psyker to put up shields, which direction to go, what to do etc

most of the time hes a willing participant lmao

[crystal forum]

no offense but everyone will always try to say everything is the emperor

[storm jungle]

I mean this one makes the most sense

lol

its a lot more probable than "omg genestealers"

[crystal forum]

most fan theories i see is people saying "but what if emperor"

[storm jungle]

This has more merit than those is the thing

[crystal forum]

yeah and i recently read a book where the voice in the head was actually a tzeench greater demon

[unreal shore]

in my headcanon its the psychers own transcended soul guiding back his normal soul since theres no time in the warp

[crystal forum]

the whole soul drinkers thing

bless their souls

[storm jungle]

and theres also many other examples in-universe of the Emperor actually speaking/guiding people

about as many evidences to go against it as theres ones to support it

[winter vessel]

you ever look at someone and wonder what is going on inside their head? my Psyker: "MY BELOVED!"

[crystal forum]

i prefer the one where the emperor doesnt suddenly have interest in a random loser with psyker powers

[unreal shore]

and its just the emperor on a beach in a bikini

[storm jungle]

Its official lore so

[crystal forum]

by who GW or fatshark

[storm jungle]

Both tbh

this game had 7 black library writers work on it

• Abnett

its about as solid as you can get

[crystal forum]

wait really?

[storm jungle]

Yeah they are in the credits

[crystal forum]

shit well if abnett says so i guess

[storm jungle]

as said by Fatshark this game has 50,000+ voicelines for everyone

you need a really big fucking team for that

[crystal forum]

i bet half of those are pain grunts

[young pecan]

Not to mention that psyker personality, as well as sometimes seemingly Beloved, are on the more empathetic side, even if sarcastic at times

[storm jungle]

^

He never shows outright evilness unless its killing chaos forces

[unreal shore]

poor programmers who had to sort all of that,may the omnisiah bless them

[crystal forum]

neither did the soul drinkers

wait is ben counter in the credits

that would be funny

[storm jungle]

The daemon in that book is still very obvious in its intent

the Space Marines are just stupid

💀

[winter vessel]

for clarification's sake. How F***ed up does our situation have to be that Ordo Malleus would have to step in. Planet wide?

[crystal forum]

NO

[storm jungle]

Hereticus*

[crystal forum]

do NOT

[storm jungle]

and its not planet-wide

[unreal shore]

when are they not?

[crystal forum]

slander the soul drinkers

[thorn zenith]

Lmao have you ever been in a full sibling games, probably the most wholesome interactions next to ogryn pals matches

[storm jungle]

^

and the VAs confirmed uh

[young pecan]

Dude

[storm jungle]

theres even voicelines if you got 4 characters with the same personality

[winter vessel]

i thought they were both independent

[young pecan]

Best interaction in the fucking game goes to enforcer psyker and (I think) brawler ogryn, talking about hope

Such a banger

[thorn zenith]

Man thats rare as hell but i wanna see that

[unreal shore]

anything the loner psycher says is just based,anyoy the zealot with heresy

[crystal forum]

you're asking the wrong question. the correct way to ask is "how close does an inquisitor have to be to a planet and how busy are they for the planet to get help"

[storm jungle]

the only Inquisitorial forces on Atoma are Hereticus, Malleus only steps in when its a literal daemonic invasion, the situation on Atoma currently is mostly entirely spearheaded by human forces.

We handle special ops stuff, the main forces doing the fighting are the Moebian regiments we see at the beginning of levels and other intros.

[crystal forum]

planets fall to chaos all the time

[storm jungle]

same as how when we leave they come to take over and secure locations

also Inquisitor Ordos cant be everywhere

even Grendyl himself isnt present or on-site lol

[crystal forum]

like eisenhorn's first inquisitorial accomplishment is only a result of him being stuck on a planet because of a storm

[thorn zenith]

The whole "heretical but technically never wrong" is half the reason i picked loner, other half is female loner sounds good

[storm jungle]

Loner is also the only character in the game calling out everyone's hypocrisy

the Imperium included lol

[crystal forum]

i like all the vets because none of them care at all

[storm jungle]

They do

[unreal shore]

yeah and its silly,same with the schizo voices laughter lines if you use your F ability

[thorn zenith]

The thing is i think the loner subscribes to the old imperial truth lmao

[storm jungle]

only Professional doesnt

yeah he does lmao

he says the Emperor never wanted to be a god

[thorn zenith]

TINY MINDS!!!

[storm jungle]

HOW he knows that i still got no idea

[crystal forum]

oh lol i guess i only notice my own character's voice lines then

[storm jungle]

but a writer put that in there

[unreal shore]

no i think he subscribes to majorkill and bases half his knowledge on that and the other on the voices

[storm jungle]

the Cutthroat Cadian basically blames the Imperium for abandoning Cadia to its fate. Loose Cannon constantly mentions deserting and also doesnt believe in the Emperor fully either

[crystal forum]

i chose professional specifically so he gives a shit but the the only thing professional about him is calling out random military designations

[thorn zenith]

Wild af

[winter vessel]

oh yeah that part ik, the ass crack called the Great Rift makes travel even more dangerous than it already has. But now I understand that its only in the case of extreme Daemon Invasions.

[storm jungle]

Pretty much yeah

Malleus' main focus is almost entirely daemons

Hereticus is EVERYONE

(minus aliens)

[crystal forum]

yeah malleus probably only care when an active demon is involved

and then they'd purge all the witnesses

[winter vessel]

looks at grey knights

[thorn zenith]

I do like to think that Loner and Seer are the big E's homeboys, as explicitly as the shard of his soul can make

[unreal shore]

would be cool if we get to escort a grey night,i mean our characters are allready marked for death so not like they need to worry about censoring that

[crystal forum]

why would a grey knight need an escort of losers

[thick cedar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4EQtHcJftE

horus renounced the chaos gods

loyalistchads stay winning

[crystal forum]

we already know

[unreal shore]

so he doesent need to waste time killing the swarm sillies

[thorn zenith]

We also have canonically busted up multiple daemons such as the hosts, spawns, BoNs, and plague ogryns

[storm jungle]

He didnt renounce them

he literally begged for their power after he realised he got tricked

then he was like "NOOO WHY"

[winter vessel]

I thought it'd be cooler if we had to escort a tank or smth in a segment of a mission, breach like a fortress.

[storm jungle]

We aren't marked for death.

We are official Hereticus acolyte-agents.

[crystal forum]

a single grey night is still like 100 times more powerful than us

they're like super space marines

but not custodes level

[winter vessel]

whose power scale in books and lore make no freaking sense

[storm jungle]

Eh

[crystal forum]

nah i dont mean that way

[storm jungle]

GK are mostly normal power-level wise

their power level is pretty clear too

[crystal forum]

they have the combat abilities AND the psychic powers

and the super good gear

[arctic talon]

A squad of GK would prolly be able to power through everything we deal with in game

Except for the beast

[crystal forum]

kaldor drago could purge the entire chaos infestation by looking at it sternly

[storm jungle]

if by looking you mean using his mary sue powers, yes

[winter vessel]

meanwhile, the Exorcists took the "was it really necessary" but hardcore route of becoming invulnerable to daemonic possession.

[crystal forum]

truly the best character

[storm jungle]

🙏

[thorn zenith]

To be fair, the 4 of us could almost or are able to take on a normal space marine, if ingame power level is canon

[storm jungle]

We use a lot of heavy Inquisition-approved gear

so basically yeah

Ogryns can literally also tear open tanks

And Psykers can just kill Marines by throwing rocks at them fast lol

[thorn zenith]

We got plasmagun, kraks nades, thunder hammers, psychic powers, and OGRYNS⁉️

[arctic talon]

You forgot the powersword

[thorn zenith]

Yes that too

[winter vessel]

as Captain Wolfer is witnessing how 3 battalions worth of traitor guard are getting their asses whooped by four individuals "Oh man...I shared a cellblock with these loons."

[thorn zenith]

It does help that i have the kooky personalities for each classes except ogryn

So the moebian 6th are getting their asses handed to them by some actual goons

[crystal forum]

a single space marine would definitely struggle to kill what we regularly kill

but we're 4 people

with ogryns

[thorn zenith]

Yea, and we regularly mess up almost a thousand people

[thick cedar]

Nurgle followers are the embodiment of "Born to shit, forced to wipe"

[young pecan]

I keep flip-flopping how I feel about this because of how many arguments I've seen for both sides, but I think my final conclusion is that it is.. probably? Possible for four DT rejects to equal the power of a space marine and maybe even beat a plague marine

[storm jungle]

Space Marines are not invincible and traitor guard can definitely take them on, the Moebians especially.

Will they lose a lot of guys though? Yes

[young pecan]

People make the argument of marines being able to focus on the only things able to hurt them and how surprisingly agile they are when they want to be, but a singular crusher can at least relatively challenge a marine in melee and we obliterate those constantly

[storm jungle]

Also that yeah, and people dont like seeing Space Marines lose in anything ever.

its like Batman fans

and about as worse

[young pecan]

One prime reject would likely lose but would go out with a fight, four rejects win methinks

I hate Batman

[raven stone]

I would recommend using Owlcat’s Rogue Trader as a measure of how Marines actually measure to normal human combatants.

[young pecan]

Lemme not open that can of worms actually

[storm jungle]

[raven stone]

Read: it…isn’t pretty if you aren’t ready.

[young pecan]

Because I will rant

[young pecan]

Haven't gotten far in the game but looking forward to

[raven stone]

Oh trust me the ||first Chaos marine you fight has a Heavy Bolter…||

[storm jungle]

Yeah but you kick his ass.

His minions are more difficult than he is

[young pecan]

..ermm shatman has a contingency plan for like,, everything ever (But he STILL can not fathom the trolley problem somehow)

[storm jungle]

Something-something prep time

[raven stone]

I mean, it is a bit lucky based, but…
||if you starting positions and RNG hates you, Aurora’s Heavy Bolter barrage just…melts you.||

[storm jungle]

yeah because that fight is just terrible

and like, way too un-tested

theres a difference between a Fight and just Abuse Busted Gun Until I Win

[raven stone]

Although it should be mentioned in that game you get a 6:1 advantage every time you fight against them…

1:1? A normal human needs to be really, really, really lucky

(And in that 6:1 you have a mixture of different weapons, expertise and psychic support.)

[gray umbra]

You dont need anything but abelard

Endure

Abelard screams

[raven stone]

Yes but how many Abelards are there in the entirety of the Imperium 🤣

[gray umbra]

Only one that matters..

Honestly i think the act 3 boss is bullshit

[winter vessel]

Abelard…smack his nuts

[gray umbra]

Or was it act 4

The one thats an officer but one taps your team for no reason

I spent that fight luring her into a kill zone down the stairs and even then i had a lot of downs

[rocky gale]

I remember fighting against a CSM in a game of the RT TTRPG once, it was multiple rounds of the entire party effectively throwing wet paper towels at him while he casually walked around pummelling everyone into the ground until the Psyker managed to crush him like a tin can.

[storm jungle]

Absolute 40k Moment

[raven stone]

Lucky that CSM didn’t have psy power themselves

[rocky gale]

It was a very tense moment because I was a secret Psyker so it was a case of let my team die or reveal myself when there were people present who would execute me for doing so, before that point I'd been sneakily using my powers to shield them so they weren't straight up exploding into mist with every hit, but things were getting too dire.

[gray umbra]

Sounds like a 40k moment to me

[raven stone]

Very 40k high stakes indeed

[thorn zenith]

Abelard be eating exterminatus and still fine

[gray umbra]

I think the moment i broke the game was the moment i got abelard an auto striking power sword

Enemies literally killing themselves trying to hit him

Arch militant argenta? Bleh 2000 dmg heinrix? Meh

Just abelard

And that damn smile

[wintry scarab]

You know how Titus has chains around his wrist similar to the black templars in space marine 2. How come that is?

[gray umbra]

He was taken in by the inquisition after beating neroth under suspicion of heresy

Might be penance or simply because they look grimdank

Also leandros is a bitch

[raven stone]

I like running a Sniper RT
With Cassia as “spotter”

Actual sniping team with Navigator spotter lol

Especially with Held in My Gaze.

[gray umbra]

Assassin fortress world sniper isnt bad at all

[raven stone]

Especially with Crime Lord, ye

[gray umbra]

I went dual pistols soldier and now im doing a pyro biomancer heretic psyker

[crisp heath]

It's heraldry used by the penitent deathwatch, marines who work for the inquisition to atone for a crime

The chains mean he served in the deathwatch while he was under investigation after being arrested at the end of SM1

[wintry scarab]

Oh, right. I feel like ive seen that before but i just forgot about the deathwatch. Thanks

[raven stone]

Nice…next build I want to try is Hive Wolrd Naval Officer, Officer archetype.
That fellowship stacking lol.

[gray umbra]

I hear master tactician can get nasty if done right

[raven stone]

TBH almost all the builds can become broken one way or another, which…you know, credits to the devs.

[gray umbra]

Yeah but its harder for things to shine when you have argenta

[raven stone]

Argenta kinda locks you into Iconoclast/Dogmatic.
But yes. Give her that Blessed Boltshell casing, and watch her work wonders

[gray umbra]

Basically carries the game for you

[thorn zenith]

My Argenta indeed carried the game for me. Her and Abelard

The man draws fire and eats melee unit for breakfast while she goes around murdering other people

[gray umbra]

I would use ulfar more if he didnt get stuck on all the god damn terrain

[thorn zenith]

I got RT, Jae, and Cassia officering her up the wazoo

[raven stone]

I use Heinrix/Abelard dual tank. Two bros just soak up frontal assaults like an actual fortress.
Argenta/Pascal for mid field firepower.
Cassia/Sniper RT for back line.

[gray umbra]

I ended up with abelard, argenta, pasqal, cassia, me and i think idira

Everyone became a buff bitch for me and argenta

[raven stone]

(Also: just give Argenta a pair of Bolt Pistols, and the gloves that use Ballistic Skills for parrying. That is a far better Close Quarters option for her above anything else.)

[gray umbra]

Which is sad because occasionally pasqal would do something cool

[thorn zenith]

Pasqal was my prime buff and heavy melee man, only in late game was he transitioning into plasmaboy

[gray umbra]

I ran upgraded shuriken pistol and neural flayer for a while

[thorn zenith]

I didnt build Heinrix right in my first run so dude was near useless

[gray umbra]

And then i got the anti vehicle revolver

God damn that revolver was insane

[raven stone]

The funny thing with Pasqal is that he doesn’t need THAT much investment to be a plasma boy even. Just one or two of his advancements already make a huge difference for him.
Then you just spam Plasma AOE attacks lol.

Even that sub-optimal use, he shines.

[thorn zenith]

I hae Yrliet as my sniper and Cassia as close ranger officer to back up Abelard and Argenta. My RT was full officer with sniper and dual pistols

And the last spot is mostly Idira

[raven stone]

Cassia is also easily broken, weirdly enough.
Just take all the Navigator Passives…

And she can dodge…most of everything.

[young pecan]

On the topic of Rogue Trader, is picking one of the preset characters the intended experience? Or is it kinda like picking one of the companion origins in Baldur's Gate 3 (except you don't meet said presets)?

I'm still early game so I'm wondering if I should restart to make my own dooder

[raven stone]

I don’t have anything against the presets inherently, but they are probably not as optimised as they could be.

[thorn zenith]

Yeah, the best thing is probably preset visuals and customized crunch

[raven stone]

There are at least 2 cases in OC generation where your dude/dudette matches the portrait exactly if you choose correctly lol.

[crystal forum]

as somebody who did the fight on the hardest difficulty i agree

that fight is BULLSHIT

[thorn zenith]

You can also get your cuztomized portrait if you commission or are good enough lmao

[thorn zenith]

Bruh first time i fought him i felt like that heavy bolter was shooting forever

[crystal forum]

idk if they fixed it but rogue trader on hardest difficulty is incredibly poorly balanced

[raven stone]

Even on Daring (no special modifiers) I am now biased towards a Sniper RT just to deal with that one asshole heretic sniper lol.

[crystal forum]

dont forget that prior to that point you have to go through tons of intense heretics WITHOUT BEING ABLE TO HEAL WOUNDS

i had to beat that fight with 3 wounds on everybody

worst fucking part of the game

genuinely bad

[thorn zenith]

That mofo also KICKS you, i was srrounding him with the boys and that plan flew out the window

[raven stone]

In most of the previous fights I literally just had most of the teams camp behind cover and try to snipe all enemies lol. Or hold choke points.

And don’t forget the damned flamer spam or the random 10% Chaos Spawns in the fights leading to the Space Port…

[rose thorn]

Is there any other groups similar to the deathwatch?

Like same concept

[crystal forum]

the fight before is like 4 snipers instantly killing half your team

rogue trader relies way too much on the player save scumming it's seriously a flaw

[thorn zenith]

My second run had me decide to grab toybox and throw the notion of proper playthrough out the window because ive already finished it once

[raven stone]

If by concept you mean “under Inquisition control”, it be the Chamber Militants…Sisters of Battle for Ordo Hereticus, Grey Knights for Ordo Malleus.

If you mean “mixed loyalists marines working together”…somewhat rare, unless battlefield circumstances demanded it out of emergencies.

[crystal forum]

i cant even bother finishing the game it took me like 100 hours to get past chapter 1 already

then it feels same-y after the first chapter and i got bored fast

[raven stone]

I still haven’t truly finished my first playthrough because I keep waffling on my conviction choices lol (I know I want an iconoclast/dogmatic mix but then getting the numbers right is just…bleh.)

[rose thorn]

Mixed loyalists, I know of the Uhh, I forgot what them called them selves but it was the emperors spears, black Templars, and celestial lions working together

[gray umbra]

the space combat is nice

if i only did it once

[crystal forum]

the space combat on hard is straight up impossible

[gray umbra]

afterwards its like "ok here we go again"

[crystal forum]

like no joke you cannot win

[raven stone]

Space Combat is, for me…really “eeeehhhh.”
On Daring, it’s…how do I put this.
how about you warn me, game, if you are going to throw me against a CRUISER

[crystal forum]

i think the space combat is really what killed it for me. i had to go around 10 systems finding a fight i could win and i received nothing

[raven stone]

Also why can’t I get a Cruiser lol

[crystal forum]

funny enough the cruiser was the easiest fight for me

because it's only 1 enemy

[raven stone]

As far as I got into Space Combat, I met 2.
One is the Chaos one on a system.
The other is an Imperial Cruiser if you get a random attack from Winterscale on your colony and you respond by going into battle personally.

[raven stone]

Yea, mixed Loyalist Marine operations outside of Deathwatch tends towards Chapter Master agreements for a temporary period, least they are accused of legion building.

[crystal forum]

how are you even supposed to upgrade your ship to fight harder battles if you cant win any battles in the first place

[gray umbra]

the first chaos ship fight you encounter is a real fuck you moment and you were definitely not meant to do it early

im waiting for the auto win crusade mod equivalent to come out(if someone is actually working on it)

because yeah you could just not do crusade but then you lose out on content

[raven stone]

Agreed, though the helmsman warning a bit would be nice - on the map before you start the battle, it just looks like another encounter to farm.

A warning like that Dark Eldar filled system would be nice.

[rose thorn]

I don’t like my custom chapter why the fuck is writing space marines so hard

[thorn zenith]

The escort ship you get for space combat is also useless

[rocky gale]

There's situations like that where multiple Chapters will group together to protect a specific region usually around their Chapter Worlds, but don't think there's many named examples:

Like the Astral Claws, Charnel Guard, Lamenters and Mantis Warriors joining together to be the Maelstrom Warders

Emperors Spears, Celestial Lions and Star Scorpions form the Adeptus Vaelarii

Angels Numinous, Red Seraphs and Charnal Guard forming the Triarchy

and then like 20 chapters that made up the Astartes Praeses

[crystal forum]

it's not you're just overcomplicating things

[thorn zenith]

Only good for soaking up damage for a few turns and die

[gray umbra]

literally cannon fodder

[crystal forum]

there's very few rules a space marine chapter has to follow

GW made it on purpose so a child could create one

[gray umbra]

be cool and dont be codex compliant

[raven stone]

I…sincerely suspect you really were meant to ignore space combat for the most part (beyond that one tutorial), then you build up your colony on Dragonus, get the escort

THEN you start farming to upgrade your ship.

[rose thorn]

I look at so many tutorials and videoes then make it and the next day I hate it lmao

[raven stone]

(Since some Dragonus projects just outright gives Navy Rep)

[gray umbra]

maybe you just have adhd

lord knows i do

[thorn zenith]

True, its almost like the game intends you to go Foulstone > Janus > Dragonus before going anywhere else

Especially the right side systems

[rose thorn]

Idk ;~; I wrote a whole dnd world and wrote a city of sigmar and a storm host for said city and it was fun

[rocky gale]

Hey it might be easy to write, but it's hard to write well

[rose thorn]

Space marines are a pain in the ass

[crystal forum]

you can create more than one chapter. make a core that you're satisfied with and go with it

[raven stone]

But on whining about Rogue Trader and space.
What I truly find a bit more atrocious, is the fact that the random warp events damage your ship as well…
(1) You will not have enough Nav points to make all routes Green.
(2) Your ship will take damage even with yellow routes if something happens.

…

There is a fixed number of encounters on the map.

I am not going to be able to always get enough scraps to both upgrade and repair my ship!

[gray umbra]

i had a phase like that but i always ended up getting bored and chasing the next big thing

now i do it for a job and i am the most unproductive productive person on my team

[coarse pumice]

the random events can make you gain nav points

theoretically you could farm them

[gray umbra]

i cheap out and make routes yellow

[rose thorn]

It’s not even that space marines have either it’s already been done or it’s so gimmicky it is doenst feel right

[thorn zenith]

I spent all my nave points making greens on "primary" routes

[gray umbra]

you take like maybe 1 hull damage, have a warp encounter battle or just flavor text of people screaming

if you get a bad roll

[rose thorn]

My stormhost are the howling blades, they see them selves as the law enforcers of sigmar’s word and I fell in love with them

They have reason motivation

[gray umbra]

space marines are pretty gimmicky

[raven stone]

I am eventually planning to just make the Quest routes/Colony Routes Green, and possibly yellow or keep as is for everything else.

[rose thorn]

And conflict

[gray umbra]

founding chapter, some stupidly specific genetic flaw and then some weird focus you fixate on

then you flesh it out

[rose thorn]

[raven stone]

Worst comes to worst, abuse the oldest trope there is.

Your chapter ar Alpha Legion loyalists.

And they stole geneseeds from everyone else.

[rose thorn]

[gray umbra]

my favorite is angry marines

their flaw? ANGRy

[crystal forum]

just make a guard regiment

[gray umbra]

their strength?

ANGRY

[crystal forum]

guard regiments are better

space marines are stinky

[gray umbra]

not world eaters but imperial fists founding chapter

[thorn zenith]

I managed to make a circle through right side systems and primary routes to each corners, then i had no points left for act 5 and it because a real slog

[crystal forum]

im currently in my valhallan phase but my guard commander will still be originally from my first custom regiment

because you can mix things together

[gray umbra]

imperial guard is probably much better

but even then sometimes they just fall into stereotypes

[crystal forum]

because IT'S YOUR OWN RULES

[crystal forum]

yeah that's because there's only like 6 big ones

[raven stone]

The really weird thing is that when you hop from Janus to Dragonus initially, it looks like a long way, but once you get to Dragonus, there is an excessively economical shortcut back down to the trio of systems near the Inqusition Shipwreck.
But.
If you explore the trio of systems near the Inquisition Shipwreck first, you can’t actually access Dragonus from down there at all…

[thorn zenith]

I wanna make a mixed regiment but i aint got nothing

[crystal forum]

what do you mean by nothing

material wise or creative wise

[gray umbra]

vitrian dragoons have the coolest aesthetic imo

[crystal forum]

i like scrappy

[thorn zenith]

Neither

No models, no momey, no skills and no motivation

Zilch

[rose thorn]

Guards are so much better to write

[crystal forum]

my custom regiment is just an excuse for me to print all sorts of random equipment because their origin is on an ancient armoury planet where everyone makes a living by looting ancient vaults

[gray umbra]

do they live on the borderlands

[raven stone]

I am so tempted to use the Old World release to make a Feudal Guard regiment…
Bretonnian Knights as Roguh Riders.
Empire/Cathay infantrymen as mixed regiment Guardsmen.

[gray umbra]

their general is named handsome jack

[crystal forum]

no it's a desert planet and i will ignore your joke

[gray umbra]

lol

[crystal forum]

but the desert is made of gold

but the gold is worthless

a bit of irony there

[gray umbra]

worthless because there is literally no economy there

or because its just pyrite

[crystal forum]

no because there's already gold everywhere and the real value is in all the ancient armouries

[gray umbra]

do they trade in archetotech

or bullets

or both

[crystal forum]

whatever they can find

[gray umbra]

yeah i dig it

[crystal forum]

but they keep the good stuff

[gray umbra]

how does that translate to their integration with the imperium or are they so distant that they're basically just left to their own devices

[crystal forum]

so they have an abnormally high amount of baneblades and shit

[crystal forum]

nobody cares about them basically. mechanicus wont mine the world for the gold because it's ruled by techno warlords that will shoot them for being on their turf

as long as they produce guardsmen everything is good

[gray umbra]

curious how the command structure and logistics work out

i imagine the more distinguished you are better wargear you get

low rank and file get shitty autoguns

absolute killer mechanized forces

[crystal forum]

yeah you're getting it

everything has some gold dust on it too

like sand

[gray umbra]

they're the real golden boys

[crystal forum]

ye

took me so little time to create this regiment idk why people overcomplicate things

[rocky gale]

Because the creative process can be complicated and inspiration doesn't necessarily strike easily everytime.

[crystal forum]

ok granted i did smoke a shit ton of weed when i came up with this stuff

that might have helped

hardest part for me though is sticking with a single idea

i have ADHD too and i get the draw to changing ideas

[thorn zenith]

I saw an idea on facebook about someone making a rag tag mixed regiments of survivors from something and that idea stuck with me since

[crystal forum]

scrappy regiments are great

all the well known regiments are super disciplined or proud

super fancy coats or standardized armor

[thorn zenith]

If i can make one then i will make one like that, probably with a rogue trader or something as hero unit

[crystal forum]

but i'll shoot myself in the head if i have to create a regiment as generic looking as cadians

[crystal forum]

if you want to get it on tabletop i REALLY recommend looking into HH militia rules

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/04/j2TwD3c2AB8oLsVW.pdf

[arctic talon]

Reason why I love the Chem dogs

[crystal forum]

these rules are so fucking good

[arctic talon]

Bunch of assholes from a shithole of a prison world that are just as good as some of the most prestigious guard regiments

[crystal forum]

yeah penal world regiments are underrated

you see them mentioned a lot in lore but rarely represented

[arctic talon]

I just love the Chem Dogs tbh

they really give off that vibe

[crystal forum]

i actually dont know much about them

arent the last chancers chem dogs?

[arctic talon]

No

The Savlar Chem Dogs were originally a penal regiment but they prooved so effective that they ended up becoming an actual regiment

With the threat being that you break any laws you'll end up back on Savlar

which is an absolute shithole of a world

But they're allowed to "acquire" things from the battlefield within reason

which leads to a lot of strange equipment turning up

[crystal forum]

that's awesome

[arctic talon]

The Chem Dogs part of the name comes from their heavy use of combat stimulants

Which is "liquid" courage

Comissars usually don't have to shoot them

because Retreating means they won't get a chance to search for loot afterwards

[crystal forum]

who's more loyal:
1 teenager with a gas mask
1 former convict on combat drugs

[arctic talon]

also they look great

[crystal forum]

they look like steel legion

[arctic talon]

they def got the same coat setup going on

they also volunteered for clearing out the underhives of Orks during the third war of armegeddon bcs they wanted to look for archeotech

lol

They're also noted as stealing everything that wasn't nailed down

while down there as well

[crystal forum]

i like the idea of regiments being very good at something

except cadians who are apparently good at everything

[arctic talon]

The Chem dogs also have an armored regiment

that has a Cadian Leman Russ Executioner as its command vehicle lol

[crystal forum]

mmmh

i wonder how that got there

[arctic talon]

Their general thing seems to be close quarters combat and shock and awe

[crystal forum]

yeah

[arctic talon]

Since they're a bunched of methed up prisoners

[crystal forum]

is there a main regiment that's focused on tanks?

krieg right?

[rocky gale]

They have tanks but they're not focused on them

[arctic talon]

Don't think so?

Steel legion sorta but not really

Talleran also sorta but not really

[rocky gale]

Tallarn and Steel Legion are pretty armoured focused

[crystal forum]

huh

[gray umbra]

i think they have different regiments focusing on armour

like within a planet

or i thought that's how it worked

[rocky gale]

Yea most regiments have some form of armoured regiments

[crystal forum]

yeah every regiment has armoured divisions

(especially cadians who have everything)

[gray umbra]

i know there's some regiments that are only infantry

but not sure if there's any that's only mechanized armor

[crystal forum]

that would be sorta what valhallans have going on

[arctic talon]

There are

But I don’t think they have much lore

There’s one that was mentioned as being at the Fall of Cadia

Iirc

[crystal forum]

if we're talking infantry focused valhallans are a big one

i think krieg? but krieg seems to be like cadia and have everything

[arctic talon]

Krieg are def similar yeah

The big thing Cadia lacks is cavalry lol

[gray umbra]

i was thinking more like tanith with how little there were

[arctic talon]

Tanith are exclusively infantry

[gray umbra]

and the fact their planet was lost on day 1

[arctic talon]

Are they not

[gray umbra]

yeah

[crystal forum]

tanith arent really a guard regiment like the rest

they're like special forces

[gray umbra]

that's true

i think outside of some books, i dont think there's a lot of content dedicated to armored divisions

outside of being a prop for some reason or another

[crystal forum]

yeah it's sad

[gray umbra]

it makes sense considering the setting but yeah

[crystal forum]

the space marine effect and its consequences

[gray umbra]

40k is very big on the human/space marine being badass

pulling themselves up by their bootstraps and yadda yadda

[crystal forum]

yeah

just sucks since it would be very cool to have a book where a tank crew goes across campaigns doing shit

[arctic talon]

there's a few tank focused guard books

I'll send the names later

I'm working om smthing rn

Gunheads, steel treads, the Baneblade and shadowsword books

[crystal forum]

interesting

i like these obscure guard books

im reading ice warriors rn

[thorn zenith]

Arent Armageddon Steel Warriors supposed tobbe tank focused?

[rocky gale]

Not tanks specifically, just armoured vehicles in general

[rose thorn]

what do you think the chances of him having rules be

is it gonna be another uh

commemorative space marine

[arctic talon]

He's just gona be the basic HQ

kroot have

[rose thorn]

the war shaper or flesh shaper

flesh shaper? wait thats nto right

just shaper

[arctic talon]

Just the shaper

Prolly

Idk

We’ll see

But I doubt he’ll have unique rules

[rose thorn]

the other aos model is a proxy for a model within the company unit

aka my favorite

unit in cities of sigmar

[hallow plover]

Are plasma weapons coils always a tone of blue? I'll soon have to paint a few for my army and I was wondering about the "canon" colors

[sacred ginkgo]

CSM have red orange ones but other than that I have no idea

[crystal forum]

i want to paint them green myself. im pretty sure you can paint them the colour you want without breaking any lore rules

there's nothing in lore that specifically states it has to be blue

in this image it's green

[hallow plover]

I'm having a hard time deciding which color to paint mine (death guard army)

I'm not sure if a blue coil would fit well with a classic DG color scheme

[sacred ginkgo]

The orange red CSM have occasionally contrasts well

Source: I also paint death guard

[versed ledge]

You guys ever wonder if any actual guardsmen bayonet charge a tyranid, Ork, or a daemon?

Like what goes in their head for them to do something so awesome yet so incredibly stupid

[sacred ginkgo]

Would you rather probably die to the 8 foot apex predator or definitely die to the angry commissar

[young pecan]

How does the paper seal thing not disintegrate after two shots max

[crystal forum]

it's not paper

believe it or not, it's actually made from real accordion

oh you mean the purity seal

well it's made from magic because space marines carry them to battle and they somehow dont break

[arctic talon]

lore wise they do break iirc

[versed ledge]

Either way, it's gonna be quick and terrifying

[sacred ginkgo]

but one grants a .01% chance of surviving

and you even get to be honored after death

[thorn zenith]

i found that unlikely lmao

[sacred ginkgo]

Not individually

They'll eventually put up a statue for your regiment somewhere

[crystal forum]

lore wise cadia broke

check mate cadia fan

[arctic talon]

lol

[winter vessel]

lore wise, cadians are overrated

[green loom]

Underrated if anything

Fandom's got this weird stigma against poster boys

[winter vessel]

I don't hate them, I just wish the IG widespread would get more acknowledgement. but I love how each regiment from different planets think themselves superior than the other.

[bold wren]

I should just talk here.

The real reason the Necrons want things to be left alone so the c'tan don't come back?

Especially on worlds with shattered pieces of the c'tan, as even shattered c'tan are still dangerous.

[sacred ginkgo]

Unless you get the local named sister of battle to demolish it in like 1 minute and 16 magazines

[winter vessel]

Everyone else: "its too dangerous/impossible!" The SOB: "not for me...I have a name..."

[sacred ginkgo]

That is basically any faction ever

[winter vessel]

don't forget faces. because who cares about head protection in 40k.

[crisp heath]

It’s a 40K fluff thing. An actual bayonet charge or even melee for that matter in a war being fought with las rifles, automatic fire and high explosives should be an incredibly rare occasion.

But I guess you are fighting giant monsters and demons stuff some of who are highly resistant right

lol

[queen laurel]

It's even more limited with that you should only really bet your bayonet charge something that is like a human because it works with them, the imperium fights chaos and literally this image right here is the reason why bayonet charges in warhammer is stupid

if you're brave enough to bayonet charge that don't worry I will gather all the money I have to afford your funeral

[crisp heath]

Ya, I’d try to pound that dude in the dirt from 23 clicks out with max artillery and hope to everything we nailed him. CAS 9 lines you name it find that dude and obliterate him miles before he’s in small arms range. Lmao

[winter vessel]

“Yup that’s me, you probably wonder how I got here”

[crisp heath]

I’m smooshed in the block to the left already

Emporer protects right

lol

[winter vessel]

When he feels like it

Meanwhile Mountain Berry Blast on the right looks like he’s sleeping

[crisp heath]

He even got the Astartes over there

Ya it’s over

[crisp heath]

Haha ya

Save a las round for yourself

lol

[winter vessel]

It wasn’t his turn to take off his helmet that day. Had he did, he probably would’ve lived.

[crisp heath]

Probably haha

[gusty mulch]

Are these the Teuton regiment?

[green loom]

Fancy painting

[young pecan]

There was a conversation about "Beloved" being a shard of Big E's psychic presence earlier today and I just overheard this voiceline last match. Did he use xenos tech?

[celest dome]

Yes

And Chaos stuff too

The golden Throne is eldar tech. At least part is

[arctic talon]

he had a fuck ton of it, hell Mortarion's pistol that Big E gifted him was xenos tech

[thorn zenith]

So the emperor did not ban xenotech

[queen laurel]

I mean why would you if you found technology from another species that is way better than yours why wouldn't you use it

It's just the imperial emperor worship that forbade people from using it because it's apparently tainted by xenos or some ****

[arctic talon]

The mechanicum is the one who banned it yeah

but they also just straight up used it sometimes lol

[queen laurel]

I bet they are jealous because it's better

i mean that automata that they made that is supposed to be superior got obliterated by a trash can on legs

[thorn zenith]

Yea having monopoly on tech is their whole shtick, without that the imperium wouldnt be respecting it

[arctic talon]

Tbf said trash can on legs tears apart Necron tech lol

[queen laurel]

The tech priest looking at the trashcan that has an army worth of weapons attached to it tear apart their automatas

[arctic talon]

honestly I love how horrifyingly effective ork weapons are lol