40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

^

[crystal forum]

huh

[storm jungle]

theres a reason almost 90% FW stuff doesnt show up in main 40k stuff

[rocky gale]

It might be more specialist, but the actual quality is awful

[crystal forum]

as somebody who's printed 1:1 stuff from GW and FW i think the latter has way more small details

like the malcador tank has so much stuff going on with it

[storm jungle]

Small details don't usually equate to being better though is the thing.

The entire point of most 40k stuff is to look basic but cool

[rocky gale]

You printing it and FW printing it are too different things

[crystal forum]

i thought painting small details was what hobbyists enjoyed. idk myself im terrible at the process

[crystal forum]

is there a bunch of a muck or something on FW resin?

because the models themselves are 1:1 scans

[rocky gale]

When you order FW you expect the pieces to either be formed wrong, misshapen or missing

[crystal forum]

wtf

[plush mason]

did GW start FW as a way to expand their line or was it an independent company they bought?

[crystal forum]

i do a better job at printing than FW???

[storm jungle]

Yes

remember that these are like a decade old brand

[plush mason]

does forgeworld still exist?

[crystal forum]

FW probably uses casts but i wouldn't expect that alone to be cause for such QC issues

maybe they just never change the molds because FW barely makes any sales lol

[plush mason]

can resin melt during shipping?

[crystal forum]

i dont think so

resin is very durable

[rocky gale]

Not Forge World resin

Like it won't straight up melt during shipping, but if you're dealing with swords or spears then odds are you're going to need to use a hairdryer to straighten them out because they will almost certainly arrive bent

[crystal forum]

bruh

no wonder GW hates 3d printing

[rocky gale]

They also have massive issues with flash that you need to cut and clean off and their build instructions are usually terrible

[crystal forum]

if a hobbyist in his basement can do a better job than your professional level factories then that's your fault GW

[storm jungle]

GW uses 3D printing sometimes too

mostly when its presentation stuff

[crystal forum]

i legit dont know why FW didnt just switch to 3d printing to lower prices

[storm jungle]

you answered your own question

"lower prices"

[crystal forum]

also probably old people in charge of the company

[storm jungle]

the downfall of most branches

"Why chart not go up."

[rocky gale]

GW's move instead of fixing the problems was to label all of their Forge World products as "Expert kits" because

"it's not the quality that's the problem, you just aren't good enough"

[crystal forum]

lol

i was wondering why an alpha leman russ was considered expert

[rocky gale]

Yea when they combined the websites every FW resin kit was labelled Expert, even shoulder pads

[crystal forum]

that's so funny

FW used to have a pretty cool portion of their website dedicated to building your titan

[rose thorn]

is that th eplanet that has been eating smaller planets and ripping toxic space fumes?

[crystal forum]

it's long gone even before the merge but it looked cool to see the wargear

do baneblades still come with personalized serial numbers?

[rocky gale]

Yea the websites used to be pretty great, I used to love using the website to look at all the paints, but now it's just a mess

[crystal forum]

it's still crazy to me that i can make a baneblade for less than 5$

and then i look at kitbashers making completely new models out of scraps

ok so from what i can tell the leman russ vanquisher was originally just on the mars alpha

the cannon only came when the plastic leman russ was remade for 5th edition

BUT

you could buy 2 types of vanquisher turrets for the old plastic leman russ

the stygies and the gryphonne

and i think these two were created for vraks

so that's why i thought mars alpha was from vraks. it all stems from me trying to understand the vanquisher

[rose thorn]

gonan try to write another space marine chapter, i was thinking a cult who belive the khan as a god of the hunt

just need a good name

[plush mason]

classic "blame the customer" response

[plush mason]

hunters of the Khan

[rose thorn]

they are gonna be a libators succesor

[rose thorn]

a bit generic

warhawks is already taken

OMG LIBATORS IS SOMOENE WHO LIBATIONS

LIBATIONS IS THE RITUALISTIC POURING

AHAHAHA\

[plush mason]

i thought libation was getting drunk at the bar?

[rose thorn]

its both

its just ritually pouring of a liquid, for libators its blood

[celest dome]

And for us it's alcohol

I prefer us

[rocky gale]

Found reference to the Vanquisher with both the Stygies and Gryphonne in the original Imperial Armour from 2000

[plush mason]

from the front the Russ's turret looks a lot more rounded

[crystal forum]

successors of an already obscure chapter?

[crystal forum]

i REALLY need warhammer+ to access white dwarf stuff damn

[rocky gale]

I'm just using google and checking with sources on Lexicanum

[crystal forum]

do the lexicanum sources provide images of the pages?

[rocky gale]

No, once I find the name of the books I'm then searched for them in pdf formats

[crystal forum]

wait you can do that?

[celest dome]

You weren't aware ? ☠️

[crystal forum]

I've been doing it wrong this entire time

[rose thorn]

Yes uwu

[rose thorn]

They black out the rules like a government document

[crystal forum]

yeah that's so fucking funny

like they expect us to buy 20 year old supplementary rules

[storm jungle]

You literally have to get an actual copy or pirate it yeah, all of the rules are removed.

[rose thorn]

For no reason????

[storm jungle]

^

[rocky gale]

For the biggest reason of all, 🤑 🤑 🤑

[crystal forum]

the rules arent even valid in 10th edition and they dont sell the older rule books so they're literally just doing this to be assholes

wonder who had this bright idea on the marketing team

[rose thorn]

But if you buy an old white dwarf it’s second hand

[tulip brook]

I'm late to fw resin convo but just simply can help but drop my two cents. yes resin can warp with heat during transport. a lot of fw stuff is made for order and has all the resin casting problems and cleaning / kitbashing / building resin is a nightmare because it's brittle and hard in the wrong way. in the perfect world, resin casting has crisp details and single casting is better than sprues

[rose thorn]

So they aren’t even making money lmao

[tulip brook]

I guess it's a good thing they merged both sites now

[rocky gale]

Yea but what if they want to one day sell the old rules as "Warhammer classic"

[rose thorn]

Tbh the merge helped new Necromunda people a lot

[crystal forum]

they're making money off of the like 80$ warhammer+ subscription but no it's all third hand market at this point

they would lose literally nothing from not blacking out the rules

but they still do it because they can

[rose thorn]

They only update warhammer plus like

Once a month for the white dwarves

[plush mason]

please no. there is way to much nostalgia farming as is

[crystal forum]

it's like those shitty calculators you used in highschool that the manufacturer put black epoxy over the microchip as if anybody wants to steal their shitty product

they just do it because they can

it's the little things with GW

dog shit company

[celest dome]

I had a Casio, they are great

[tulip brook]

I still have one working fine in a drawer

they made those to last back in the day

[celest dome]

I think mine is at my parent's house

Surely still work, one of my collegue has one at work

[rose thorn]

The Shikaris, a successor chapter of the Libators born from an internal religious group they chose to left and found a chapter on a planet that’s religious belief matched their own. The Shikaris believe the Khan was the Emperor’s god of the hunt and worship him through hunt and consumption of the Khan’s chosen prey.

The prey of course being any enemy of the emperor and khan

Perfect

And they are an ultra marine successor because reasons

[arctic talon]

https://twitter.com/ForwardLeaks/status/1750956574246384077

Forward (@ForwardLeaks) on X

#MWIII x Warhammer Servo Skull Finishing Move

from @r3al1tyuk

Twitter · Jan 26, 2024, 6:59 PM

Dear god

wait wrong server

[storm jungle]

LMAO

LETS GOOO

[arctic talon]

its super unfinished

but it looks like the servo skull stabs them???

[storm jungle]

I mean not surprising

[rose thorn]

this could either be the best crossover in 40k history or the literal worse lmao

[arctic talon]

40k fortnite

40k fortnite

40k fortnite

[storm jungle]

PLEASE

i love how people are like "wow this is cringe"

then you already got people in that post going

"OMG I MUST BUY THIS"

[arctic talon]

40k Fortnite is inevitble

It will occur

[rose thorn]

gw is really sticking thier fingers in stuff oustide of their usual market recently

[arctic talon]

Prolly trying to diversify income

because GW is like really

pigeonholed as a company

all their cash flow comes from plastic

[rose thorn]

i wonder how long until something takes a nose dive and they go back to theri usual stuff

[arctic talon]

as long as plastic sells well they'll experiment

imo

[winter vessel]

When it’s already too late

[rose thorn]

i know this isnt the first time they tried expanding like this

[arctic talon]

This is the first time they've done something so drastic

tbh

regarding external stuff

[rose thorn]

this far? yeah

[arctic talon]

yeah

past stuff was nothing compared to recent GW

[rose thorn]

a bunch of 40k games dropped in like 3rd or second edition

[arctic talon]

regarding them trying things

[winter vessel]

Finisher where you do a Psyker brain Blast

[arctic talon]

GW is a lot more open to messing around rn

shit like Necromunda being brought back is insane

[rose thorn]

fr

[winter vessel]

8 more months until Space Marine 2 is released.

[plush mason]

hopefully helldivers 2 will be able to strach the itch till then

[rose thorn]

probably when people outside of the 40k look about how horribly evil the setting is complain about something and it gets big

[arctic talon]

hopefully it'll be good

[rose thorn]

then they will go back to their hole

[arctic talon]

GW doesn't care

regarding the whole wide appeal thing

they generally are more concerned with slower expansion

[rose thorn]

but they will care when new investors pull out

[arctic talon]

They're a stable company

[rose thorn]

idk i doubt it will get really that big

[arctic talon]

they don't need more investors

[plush mason]

are they even publicly traded?

[winter vessel]

SM2 was supposed to be my biggest spend in December until I realized the date got pushed back

[arctic talon]

Partially

majority shares still private

[plush mason]

ok then they wont care that much

[arctic talon]

yeah

[rose thorn]

oh thats actually good

[arctic talon]

GW is like really insular as a company

its weird

not that its bad

[plush mason]

they are a holdout

which is good

[storm jungle]

Okay asked a deep 40k nerd friend about this

the answer I got off of them was a little "we don't want people to be confused by old rules' and a little 'basically when we've done an edition we want to move on and pretend it doesn't exist any more'

[arctic talon]

guh

[storm jungle]

the most GW thing ive read

literally just "Our customer base is too stupid."

[rose thorn]

lmao

[arctic talon]

I mean

no offense

but GW def looks at the uh

lowest common denominator

[rose thorn]

whats everyones thoughts on the new edition anyway? it seems alot cleaner than beginning of 10th

well as clean as an unfinished game can be

[arctic talon]

I think

it needs work

and they went too far in multiple places

and its poorly balanced

good "base" so to speak though

[rose thorn]

the more lore appeal on certain things like subfactions i like

the subfactions being built around ideas

im pretty sure you need certain models to run a subfaction though

[arctic talon]

Subfactions are dead

essentially

which is a good thing rules wise imo

[rose thorn]

fair

i love customization

but

its better balanced ig

[arctic talon]

I mean you didn't lose any customization regarding that

Detachments are just subfactions

the only dif is they aren't locked to a specific paint scheme/lore

[rose thorn]

i mean like, stacking warlord traits and artifacts and point cost buffs

[arctic talon]

Oh

yeah that

Point costs buffs were a thing only in some armies

[rose thorn]

[arctic talon]

I do miss stacking warlord traits + relics

enhancments are like WLT/Relics

but you can only take one per character

which is meh

[rose thorn]

Also rip spells

For literally no reason

[arctic talon]

Fun fact

Old world has a better version

of the 10e psyker system

So it seems GW realized they went too far lol

shame all of 10e is prolly gona be stuck with this stuff lol

strap in for 3 years of it

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[dusk patrol]

https://twitter.com/ForwardLeaks/status/1750956574246384077

Forward (@ForwardLeaks) on X

#MWIII x Warhammer Servo Skull Finishing Move

from @r3al1tyuk

Twitter · Jan 26, 2024, 6:59 PM

A-Train kills a heretic with a venerable servo skull, does the sign of the Aquila in respect

This is canon

[rose thorn]

Might change to just a white scar successor

White scar successors who believe the Khan is a hunting god

Created recently to patrol a back water area of the galaxy

Probably greeked themed ? Artemas and all

Or maybe I theme them around like royal hunters

Okay maybe a new idea for the chapter

Children of nobility from a planet that was saved by the khan and worship him as a god

Aka the worst chapter for the Khan

[crystal forum]

i forgot that most people here went to highschool in the early 2000's

everybody in my highschool had the same shitty calculator you buy at best buy

made by sharp

i used to take old ones and take them appart because that's what i did in class instead of listening

[celest dome]

Jokes on you, I was in in (I suppose, not sure of the equivalence) of it in the late 2010

[crystal forum]

a lot of people are angry because they now have to buy like 10 times the amount of models due to GW trying to balance by making units cheaper in points

10th to me feels so greedy

this is why they market to the competitive crowd more and more. they're the only people who will go out of their way to buy meta armies for way too much money

i need to stop thinking about GW this can't be healthy

[arctic talon]

Thats how its almost always been

GW only ever balances with points

that started changing this edition

and they've straight up modified datasheets

[crystal forum]

that too though

the fact that they keep changing stuff like it's an underdeveloped triple A video game still getting updates months after release

[rose thorn]

Hopefully admech gets like, a redo lmao

I wonder how i can represent my chapter ‘using an 14 to hunt ducks’ battle tactics

[storm jungle]

Spam those bikes thats how

[crystal forum]

what's your libator successor chapter going to be specialized in?

[rose thorn]

Probably just going white scar successor

[rose thorn]

And they will specialize in over killing a target (mainly monsters) anti material rifle on a giraffe style

Rich kids on a hunting trip

[rose thorn]

Good point, spoiled rich kids love thier expensive cars

[rocky gale]

In true White Scar fashion 18 Outriders and 6 ATVs

[rose thorn]

: obliterating a wild animal with explosive shells isn’t honorable is cheap and wasteful
: watch me use this rocket launcher on that deer

[crisp heath]

Besides sanguinus could any other primarchs have led the traitors if they fell to chaos

I’d think Fulgrim insane charisma would make him a pretty great rallying point for the legions but man his brothers do not get along with him despite this

[rose thorn]

“The blood of the hunting god flows through us. those who can not hunt, serve. Those who are hunted become served. Those who are served, feed the hunters.”

Battle cry of the Shikari chapter

Boom

Perfect

[crystal forum]

so a lot of melta guns?

or sniper bolters?

[rose thorn]

What ever i have at the moment

[crystal forum]

fulgrim has no charisma. even his own chapter doesn't listen to him anymore

he's like the worst primarch

[crystal forum]

do you have a printer

i could send you models if you need some

[rose thorn]

Can’t use it atm

I have a bunch of scans of primaris marines already don’t worry

[crystal forum]

aight cool

[crystal forum]

my print fails

btw on top is mars alpha leman russ vanquisher

bottom is gryphonne IV vanquisher

[soft thunder]

Is there an important heresy horus heresy book coming out tomorrow?

[crystal forum]

literally the last book of the series

[rocky gale]

So nothing important

[soft thunder]

no biggie

[green loom]

The malding over lady knights in bretonnia has finally started

Turns out they didn't start before because they don't keep up with updates

[queen laurel]

Dilara even said that she saw some complaints popping up

[green loom]

Yeah it's funny

[queen laurel]

and like what's the point of being angry about it, the thing they worship is literally called the lady of the lake, so a lady knight is very fitting

man people need to think some more

[plush mason]

thinking isnt something people are good at

[queen laurel]

maybe if they did we wouldn't have this conundrum but hey here we are we can't really do anything about it

[plush mason]

yup

[plush mason]

the question is. what kind of cheese was used in the bribe?

this is ofc just a question of how hard it is to bribe him

all cheese is an acceptable payment for a bribe just depends on one's willpower

[rose thorn]

Correct me if I’m wrong

[green loom]

Are you

[rose thorn]

I forgot

[warm tinsel]

Does anyone know what time end and the death releases

Nvm it’s out

[viral yacht]

how tf do you actually pronounce "Roboute Guilliman"?

[green loom]

Row-boo-tay
Ghillie-men

[viral yacht]

huh, so those voice lines that go "ghoulie-man" are wrong?

[toxic hedge]

rowboat girlyman

[green loom]

Yeah

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/02/07/is-it-ar-bites-or-ar-bee-tees-how-to-pronounce-the-trickiest-warhammer-words-according-to-the-experts/

[dusk patrol]

Tbh it’s been said both ways in audiobooks and stuff I don’t think it matters much

[rocky gale]

You can also ignore GW's official pronunciation guides, because they're wrong about quite a few of them

The way they pronounce Arbites is painful

Fans: Arguing about whether it's Ar-bite or Arb-i-tes

GW "It's Ar-beety"

Fans "No it isn't"

[crystal forum]

there's no fucking way i say half the names in 40k like GW does

kasrkin being "kazer kin"

no it's car skin

[storm jungle]

Kazerkin sounds way better

[storm jungle]

Genuinely hate the Arbeeteez people lmao

[queen laurel]

I pronounce it as arthritis

[brisk agate]

Hold on, how are they wrong about something they made up

[rocky gale]

Because I said so

[celest dome]

I just do the latin https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/arbiter but change the ending

[rose thorn]

In the year 2024, where is the emperor

[storm jungle]

probably working at an office job

[rose thorn]

‘Hey G. Emperor I need those papers done by 5’

[storm jungle]

on his off-time he runs the r/atheism subreddit

probably was a founder

[rose thorn]

LMAO

Emperor scrolling r/40k

‘Neat game, I might base my future soldiers off of it.’

[storm jungle]

its his beta idea of the Imperial Truth

[queen laurel]

How much you bet he's one of the people here who complains about the game

Like 24/7

[rose thorn]

He complains about Eldar exclusively

Imagine the emperor encountering the orks and eldar and having flash backs

To playing with his buddies in the basement

What army did the emperor have?

Custodies?

[storm jungle]

worse, more redditors

[rose thorn]

Oh goe

God

He has custom 3d head render prints for his leaders

[queen laurel]

"The Redditorian Guard" is what he calls them

[tulip brook]

Emps be like:"Neat tabletop game, there's no way my empire will end up like that. But I can copy it and call it regicide"

[rose thorn]

Emperor reads the final HH book ‘this is shit this would never happen in my empire’

[storm jungle]

[viral yacht]

guys it's finally real!

[storm jungle]

[viral yacht]

just to make this into an actual lore thing: what is plasteel explained to actually be in lore?

[queen laurel]

Literally just plastic steel

[viral yacht]

well then

not quite there yet then

it still tickled me i found a 3d printing filament named as such

GW be like:

[rose thorn]

Space marine armor isn’t made of metal and that annoys me severely

[celest dome]

Ceramite ?

[queen laurel]

Ceramite is not a metal apparently

Which is absolutely hilarious because

[rose thorn]

It’s described as a crystal that acts and looks like a metal

Because the elemental table was all used up

[celest dome]

It's Ceramics, like the name suggest

[queen laurel]

I mean I expected it to be metal because you know but I love that it's you know more similar to modeling ceramics like pots and stuff

A space marine armour has more similarity to a random vase of a plant than literal metal which is hilarious to me now

[green loom]

@storm jungle you've read fall of cadia right?

[celest dome]

RL armour for soldier is more often made of Ceramics

They can be quite durable, iirc some plane reactors are made of them

[storm jungle]

Yep

[green loom]

Do you recall any specifics of the Khorne dude ascending

[queen laurel]

True but considering how warhammer likes to be you know over the top i expected space marine armor to be some kind of overly tough metal that is like vibranium or something

[storm jungle]

Uhh not quite, what do you want to know

its a very basic ascension

[green loom]

The Kai's summary says his soul gets yoinked and thrown out

Wondering if that's actually how it goes

[storm jungle]

Ah not really as far as I can recall

its been awhile

[viral yacht]

ceramic kevlar DOES exist IRL tbf...

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/ceramics-gif-25586332

[queen laurel]

The urge to make a barbarian class in bg3 and just pick up a random item in the world to turn into a throne weapon is quite strong i have yet to find a vase that is strong enough to handle my strength but i shall find it one day

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah speaking of throwing something at my enemy

Dilara are the undead in aos interesting

[celest dome]

I find some interesting

[queen laurel]

I recently played luthor harkon of the black pearl in total warhammer 2

[celest dome]

I don't like the Ossiarch though

[queen laurel]

So i need to scratch that vampire coast itch

[celest dome]

Could I interest you in some Dreadfleet ?

[queen laurel]

You may

[celest dome]

Dreadfleet is a board game turned novel turned Dlc in TWW2. The next fantasy game from FS should be a tide game set around the novel/theatre of the Dreadfleet x Grand Alliance

[queen laurel]

so my options in aos have nothing vampire pirate

they were quite fun but oh well

[storm jungle]

vampire pirates exist

they just dont have too much lore

[queen laurel]

so they got the savage ork in 40K treatment

[storm jungle]

for now at least

[queen laurel]

Where the one in the past setting has more lore even though they're exactly the same

[celest dome]

I think the easiest you could do for Vampirate would be to take the fish elf and kitbash them with undead
And run them as fish elf

[queen laurel]

I'm not gonna make this into a model because I'm just asking if they exist in the setting

I wanna read something related about them but knowing that they don't have much lore now

Kinda threw me into the ******* building

[rose thorn]

Kitbash

We have a pirate ghost

And ogre

[queen laurel]

I wish i could but unfortunately i have very shaky hands and i don't have much talent in painting

I was just looking for things to read about so that i can make a character

[rose thorn]

Idk if I like my custom chapter mroe than the libators

They are so obscure that it doenst matter

[queen laurel]

I just made the warboss for my necromunda ork mercenary gang, had fun writing about him

[rose thorn]

Nice

[queen laurel]

I was planning to make a fleet leader for aos

But learning that vampire coasts are basically going to make me think for some more ideas

How do i make the ones i'm going to write about in aos interesting

[rose thorn]

I have a file of ideas for stls and stuff for proxies if you want me to dm it

A list of/9

[queen laurel]

Hmm, wouldn't hurt

[queen laurel]

Thanks in advance, gotta hit the sack soon i'll check it when i wake up

[rose thorn]

Oka :3

[crystal forum]

the wiki and the lexicanum disagree on the origin of navigators

also the navigator wiki page sucks ass

[storm jungle]

the most solid one is them basically being made during DAOT

aside from that yeah lol

[crystal forum]

it takes like 6 paragraphs for the wiki to say "we dont know"

[winter vessel]

The wiki method is basically those instances where you are making up more words to an essay to meet the minimum word count.

[storm jungle]

nah

more like literally copying someone elses homework and copy pasting it over hoping it makes sense lol

[crisp heath]

So I know any primarch wallops a custodes in a 1v1 but I’m wondering would a single custodes actually pose a threat to a primarch in a fight? Beyond just getting a lucky hit in

[storm jungle]

Depends on the Primarch and Custodian

if the custodians teamed up though they'd probably heavily injure one

[humble shoal]

named ones probably, constantin valdor for example

[plush mason]

being a named character in 40k is such a massive power buff kekw

[humble shoal]

Some random named worldeater ripping 5 custodes in half.

[rocky gale]

Trying to get all the penances/achievements with randoms is going to drive me to the brink

[plush mason]

yeah dont do that

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/780818860344344649/1200941570124419122/IMG_9775.png?ex=65c802fe&is=65b58dfe&hm=99434311285fb2c54e51e6eee4ff5e5bb1be99e999c32ea75e8f7bcad834d76b&

Oh my god fuck off with this nonsense

[rocky gale]

You just know that they pulled out a massive old Oxford thesaurus for that one

[storm jungle]

^

Abnett needs to get his head out of his ass lol

[rocky gale]

Researched for 3 months to find a more complicated way of saying blue

[storm jungle]

genuinely this lmao

has to be the most douchebag writing style ive seen

[crisp heath]

A true legend

[storm jungle]

of getting his head flushed in a toilet

[plush mason]

he is British. enough said :P

[rocky gale]

Oh god did he write his own Wiki page

"matriculated"

[storm jungle]

MATRICULATED?

just... say that you enrolled, what the fuck

[rocky gale]

Also what's up with "Abnett read English"

[storm jungle]

its the other way of saying it

[humble shoal]

hey all, what do you think maulers role in the 6th was, like for a group of guerillas "man with chain maul" seems to be a rough job

[storm jungle]

probably breaching/urban warfare specialists

[humble shoal]

well the 6th are in general urban warface specialists

how does a chainaxe breach?

[storm jungle]

Someone else does

then you send the Mauler in

what would you do if that guy was rushing at you IRL after your door explodes

[rocky gale]

I'd imagine the Crusher breaches and then Maulers clean up

[humble shoal]

pulling out my boltgun as the high lords intended

[hallow saddle]

its an oxford thing

[storm jungle]

Oxford should consider exploding

[hallow saddle]

he was there at the same time as stewart lee which is cool

[storm jungle]

googles

[hallow saddle]

just bri'ish things

[storm jungle]

the uh, comedian?

[hallow saddle]

yeah

[storm jungle]

Ah okay i see

honestly tho like

Abnett being from Oxford genuinely explains so much of the high-and-mighty style of his writing and using these stupid words

💀

[hallow saddle]

yep, lol

[storm jungle]

LMAO

I appreciate you not even denying it thank you

[hallow saddle]

well

i dont have a chip on my shoulder about it

hes just a clever guy

[storm jungle]

[humble shoal]

never read an abnett book

only the grey knights omnibus

[hallow saddle]

did you like the grey knights book?

[humble shoal]

yeah

[hallow saddle]

ive not read it

[humble shoal]

read it like a decade ago

and have reread it a couple of times

(was my introduction into 40k)

the first story is classic old lore stuff

[hallow saddle]

thats badass, i'd like to read about them

[humble shoal]

2 is interesting enough (has some mechanicus)

3 is a wild one

and makes alaric slightly different than the average grey knight

any other 40k books, have not read

[hallow saddle]

did you like the mechanicus?

[humble shoal]

the second one can drag

first/third are great stories

forget the actual names of the books because I have the omnibus which is all 3 books in one

[hallow saddle]

have you read the emperor's gift?

that's grey knights too, not read that either though

oh, did you read Daemon World by ben counter? looks like that's kind of related to the third grey knights book

[crisp heath]

Man, still no new TTS episodes. Any day now

Any…day now😔

Speaking of it though do you think this series had a good or bad impact on the community? It certainly introduced a lot of people to 40k it did for me but it’s not exactly entirely true to the lore and I believed a few things that weren’t true

[green loom]

Short term? Introduced a lot of people

Long term? Irreversible damage to the community meme ecosystem

The memes being thrown around now are the same ones as last year, which were the same ones as 5 years ago, which were the same ones in 2005

That last one is maybe exaggerating but the memes make stale mouldy bread look fresh

[crisp heath]

This is fair, however I will always believe in jojostodes

[green loom]

That's fair

[plush mason]

all i can say is. this is cope

[humble shoal]

you mean hunter the parenting

[plush mason]

lol

but yeah i dont think TTS is ever coming back

[storm jungle]

It will when Alfa wants or feels safe.

for now though I enjoy Hunter lol

[storm jungle]

ONLY thing ill say is Alfa and his team basically just write these jokes because on paper they are genuinely funny and entertaining especially as the writing of the series improved the longer it went.

The issue arises from the fact that a great majority of 40k users get their humor from grimdank and run these jokes absolutely into the ground.

[rose thorn]

Tbh I’d love a vespid killteam

Idk how balanced an all flying killteam@would be tho

[humble shoal]

indeed

[storm jungle]

We got mandrakes and night lords

we can literally get ANYTHING next

[rose thorn]

Lmao

Fair

[storm jungle]

yeah no im saying its entirely possible

[rose thorn]

What’s like the top 5 killteams that would he cool lore wise

Securitarii are up there for me

[plush mason]

the team already said they will not be touching TTS till they see concrete proof that GW wont go after fan made content and the content creators so thats what it all hinges on

[storm jungle]

pretty much ye

alfa makes his entire living off of youtube + his patreon

that and he has a kid/wife so i get his decision

[plush mason]

same

[storm jungle]

its very hard to say because KT so far has been just "hey what units can we use that would be cool"

[plush mason]

he also lives in Sweden which is in a bit of a tough spot economically afaik

[storm jungle]

yep

[rose thorn]

Maybe another 1k sons kill team, like artifact collectors or something

[plush mason]

i like that idea

[brisk vine]

Night Lords upgrade sprue my beloved

[dusk patrol]

Honestly ever since we got LoV skies been the limit and I haven't been disappointed.

Massive Kroot release which in effect makes them so you can play them as a separate army, multiple different aspect warrior re-release, Mandrakes, Night Lords, Old Worlds back, CM Punk is back with WWE.

There's nothing that can't happen.

https://tenor.com/view/key-and-peele-fly-gif-18805858

[spare osprey]

Fallen, Pelagers/Homo Sapien Oceanus, creations of bile.

Those are my top 3

[dusk patrol]

Crimson Guard, Mordians, Securartii or other weirder Skitartii would be cool too. Some kinda Inquisition force would be fun. Probably Iron Warriors after that.

[arctic talon]

Secutarii killteam so I can play secutarii in 40k again

[celest dome]

For me it would be:

• Admech either Skitarii Provost, Huscarl or Preatorian.
• Ork Red gobbo Committee
• Astra Psykana envoy forces
• Khornate Pit Fighter

[crystal forum]

assassinorum kill team

[dusk patrol]

So, one assassin

[dense mortar]

I just want everyone to put down there weapons, and love one another.

[surreal jay]

i learned about yarrick :]

pretty cool shit how the wah works

[green loom]

The wah

[storm jungle]

Wah-wah

[celest dome]

By the powah of Grey Skull

[tulip brook]

I just held back making a joke about effect pedal

[queen laurel]

wahluigi

[tulip brook]

yup pretty cool how waaagh works, seems like everyone has a different idea about it 😄

[green loom]

[storm jungle]

but basically the Waaagh field has a definite lore

people just learn everything from bad sources

lol

[queen laurel]

and people make assumptions about it because GW isn't also good at explaining it

[celest dome]

I think the issue is 2 fold. On 1 hand people love to exaggerated. And on the other a lot of people attribute to the waagh field what is most likely part of the genetic knowledge that orks can have

[queen laurel]

The WAAAAAGGGHHH is basically just like the warp as a plot device

Can get as fucky as it needs to be

Gets toned down when it doesn't need to be OP

[storm jungle]

it usually only gets crazy when theres way too many Weirdboyz and the like

[queen laurel]

They are the biggest provider of the energy, but you also need a lot of large orks

Because bigger orks provide stronger WAAAAGGGHH fields

[keen nova]

Are there Gucci auto guns? Like, holographic sights and magnifiers? Under barrel launchers and laser sights?

[queen laurel]

That's a thing

if normal basic guns can exist in this setting attachments are no biggie

[keen nova]

I know under barrels exist, at least for Elysians.

[queen laurel]

any gun on earth can exist in warhammer 40k, if i this universe allows you to somehow shoot gravity out of a gun I wouldn't see why you couldn't have some extra attachments on a funny auto gun on some backwater planet

[keen nova]

Grenade launcher cool c:

[queen laurel]

yes it is

[keen nova]

Thunk!

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/incel-wojak-meme-anime-glasses-gif-21218188

[green loom]

"Woman in my game
Must be woke"

that guy probably

[spring cairn]

embrace the superiority of Nippon

[near glade]

Funny cause that’s not even true. A lot of Japanese games have political commentary

[celest dome]

Oh it was Vivid

How surprising

[tulip brook]

But are they brain dead takes?

There's no winning against that comment. He'll just spin it as when japan does, they do it right

[storm jungle]

I guess they never played Metal Gear

[celest dome]

I think the take of "Japanese games don't have a political message" is the same as "Old games/show/comics don't have a political message"
It's just come from the person not having the general knowledge to pick it up
Even if sometime it's very obvious

[storm jungle]

Theres definitely ones that dont have it but the biggest titles tend to have a lot of it.

[celest dome]

Same as Western game, but dumb luck wouldn't be enough to say that they never played one without it

[queen laurel]

I forgot fantasy had its own RTS too

[celest dome]

Fantasy has quite a few rts

Total War

Shadow of the Horned Rat and Dark Omen

Manowar i think

Was Mordheim turn based ? Can't remember

[queen laurel]

Yeah I think I'm going to try this mark of chaos stuff

[queen laurel]

I think mark of chaos resembles the most memorable rts around the 2000s right

You know like generals and the world of warcraft stuff like that

[celest dome]

Kinda like Battle for Middle Earth

[queen laurel]

Well I want to scratch that warhammer fantasy itch somehow so hey might as well try this

[celest dome]

BfME was great. So if its like that it's good

[green loom]

I too love apolitical games like metal gear rising revengeance

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/senator-armstrong-armstrong-metal-gear-rising-mgr-speech-bubble-gif-25397532

[undone wedge]

Yeah politics are cringe. Praised be the God Emperor!

[rocky gale]

The opposite end of "everything has political themes you just didn't notice" is the Christian theming and symbolism in Evangelion where everyone initially thinks it has incredibly deep meaning behind it meanwhile the creator is just like "Oh it doesn't mean anything, I know nothing about Christianity, I just added that because I thought it looked cool"

[storm jungle]

pretty much

[rocky gale]

Ushoran is finally releasing!!!!

[storm jungle]

dark souls time!

[rocky gale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/28/sunday-preview-rotting-pennants-fly-high-for-the-flesh-eater-courts/

[queen laurel]

He is *** **** massive

[storm jungle]

still probably one of THE best warhammer models ever

[queen laurel]

he looks like the final form of a person coming out of their cave

Truly a horrifying and fitting sight

[storm jungle]

fr fr

[rocky gale]

I see only our fair and noble king, blessing us with his resplendent regal countenance.

[celest dome]

Still gonna lose against a SM Sergeant in the model of the year

[storm jungle]

People like generic stuff more than having actual taste so yep

[queen laurel]

It be just like this for real

[storm jungle]

[shadow plover]

Harbinger of Decay not being in the top 3 last year was actually criminal

[storm jungle]

like i said people got no taste lol

a fucking generic primarch model always gets a spot

[queen laurel]

They do have taste, a taste for shit

[shadow plover]

I do think Lion is a great model but not the best nor should it be in the top 3 last year

[celest dome]

I think a way to make it much more fair would be if the list to vote actually had pictures of the models, like I googled quite a few of them but not all

[shadow plover]

and in general any voting system where the public gets to vote which is 'best' it always ends up being a popularity contest rather than if the subject is actually the best in whatever category you are voting in

see steam awards for example

[queen laurel]

What i have right now is a picture of art or what is considered as art

People are just f****** dumb

[shadow plover]

that's not quite accurate comparison tbh

that piece is literally called Comedian

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comedian_(artwork)

[queen laurel]

I'm pretty sure at least this thing got eaten

So that's a plus

[plush mason]

that game was fun

up till i got to the 2nd mission in the dark elf campaign

[plush mason]

wasnt it made specifically to mock modern art?

[shadow plover]

in a sense

[plush mason]

also i love that the wiki says "appears as" when it is quite literally a banana ducktaped to a wall

[green loom]

https://kingmong.artstation.com/

Wow this dude

Talk about a portfolio lol

[storm jungle]

Jesus lmao

[celest dome]

oh damn, he did those too

[surreal mason]

https://vxtwitter.com/KingIcespike/status/1751466233403170963?t=fU3ZVdeeNBUI88E7GP35BQ&s=19

[spare osprey]

most beautiful thing i've ever seen

[humble shoal]

fake news, horus was stabbed by the poop knife

[fervent folio]

Lore question. Does the inquisition have command over the adeptus astartes ? Or can someone otherwise validly explain to me why in the "Milky way sweep" video, the imperial fist space marines are marching in a parade for what I understand to be an inquisitor ?

Dont space marines have better things to do than march in a fuckin parade for an inquisitor ?

[rocky gale]

They can make "requests" but not directly order them around

But if it is a specifically stern "request" the Astartes can face repercussions for refusing.

Also that Parade is from a fan animation, not from GW so it's not necessarily Canon compliant.

But Fascistic Militarist societies do like having big parades, so it's not that unusual.

[storm jungle]

^

All of the above

[fervent folio]

Hmm

Okay, yeah, that paints a clearer picture

Thanks

[rocky gale]

Plus if I remember right it's a Lord Inquisitor so more important than a regular Inquisitor and the parade in on Terra itself, so it's probably quite a big deal.

[storm jungle]

its a canon character as well, Inquisitor Coteaz Torqumada

[green loom]

They're probably just in the same parade

Placed in the same place of honour

For spectacle

[dusk patrol]

We have multiple examples of them doing parades after big victories, it just depends.

The marines are gonna be there by choice, an Inquisitor could request them or whatever but depending on their authority they might be ignored or a frivolous request might come back to bite them. The Imperium is a feudal state with a shitton of factions, even if you have the authority on paper it doesn't mean you can always exercise it, or that you should.

Tl;dr politics

Some chapters would definitely never do a fucking parade though.

[storm jungle]

yeah i think the parade in the Lord Inquisitor was just the animator wanting to go all in for a spectacle

because the moment you think about it too much it looks really "um"

down to like a few fucking dreadnaughts of all things taking part in it

[dusk patrol]

You can probably handwave it as maybe some massive campaign just got finished, idk. But yeah it looks cool is more the thing.

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/imperial-parade-warhammer40k-imperial-guard-space-marines-dreadnought-gif-22382055

And I mean it does.

He did nail the movement.

Kinda bugs me they're out of step, I feel like IF would be in perfect march sync, but whatever.

Probaby looked weird to animate it.

[storm jungle]

yeah if you look at stuff like Chinese parades it looks too alien lol

https://tenor.com/view/march-military-endless-unison-troops-gif-4820381

https://tenor.com/view/war-march-ready-for-battle-gif-11983531

actual clones

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/korea-utara-korut-north-korea-gerak-jalan-parade-gif-12455767

I love the NK skipping

Its so goofy

[storm jungle]

Hold on

[dusk patrol]

There's a video with music which is hilarious

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/Rsz-_fgWspo?t=15

[dusk patrol]

Jeez those bayonets pointed out like that while marching. I guess its good they probably overpractice.

[fervent folio]

truuuuuu. Doubtful the astartes would wake a dreadnaught for THAT

XD

I hadnt even considered that

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

I was resisting making the joke but

its sad that this is prob the most lore accurate 40k-esque march one lol

One mistake

Gets executed

Also all the Generals have a hundred medals/accolades for wars they ABSOLUTELY took part in

[dusk patrol]

Its telling when even 40k parades are generally depicted as being a little more reasonable

[storm jungle]

Yeah they have grandeur which helps

[dusk patrol]

There's definitely someone in NK who would have been a really bomb musical theatre major

[humble shoal]

The space wolves would murder you if they heard that question. In comparison the red hunters are basically the inquisitions hunting dogs.

[bold wren]

Are we even the guard or a penal legion like the chemdogs?

[fervent folio]

In Darktide ? We're part of an inquisitorial penal legion

[bold wren]

So we are just disposable but kept alive being an unofficial warband?

[fervent folio]

How far along are you with the story and do you want spoilers

[bold wren]

Because usually how penal legions are viewed as if you even act up a little you get shot.

I have completed it, but we proved ourselves as not being being a traitor.

Still doesn't add up to penal legions.

[fervent folio]

Exactly. You start off as part of a penal legion. But after you've proven yourself useful to the inquisitor you become an inquisitorial adept in the end

[bold wren]

I mean we're not just criminals like the chemdogs we have veterans, and zealots.

[fervent folio]

So no longer penal legion and instead representing the full fury and authority of the inquisition

[bold wren]

Chemdogs are just cannon fodder.

And probably did way worse then what we did.

[fervent folio]

At least if I understood correctly

[fervent folio]

Ye, thats not us though. By the end of the starting quest we became part of the inquisition

I mean, since we're just adepts I would figure we're still pretty disposable

But at least we're a cut above the penal legions

[bold wren]

Ah it's because the Arbites are involved with chemdogs.

Arbites isn't exactly involved.

In this whole situation too.

[fervent folio]

U probably are a bit better informed than me on this. Whats your take ?

[storm jungle]

Take on what

[fervent folio]

see above conversation

[bold wren]

Inquisitors have more say then Arbites?

[fervent folio]

Definetly lol

[bold wren]

I would say that's why we haven't been executed.

Also because they were running low on assets to use people dying left and right.

[fervent folio]

Basically what our current role on the inquisition vessel is. My thoughts are, if I understood correctly, that we started off as penal legionaires, but since we proved useful were accepted into the inqusition as adepts

[storm jungle]

Basically we are at the bottom of the hierarchy and basically henchmen for Grendyl or in this case Rannick, but the latest carnival maps have basically been proving that we have mostly more or less have become an elite kill-team since this entire situation on Atoma has been a perfect meat-grinder for Grendyl to both get competent agents and also get the job done.

[bold wren]

Then again chemdogs aren't tied to the inquisitors. They're just penal legion.

[storm jungle]

Because if you listen to the conversations on the ship between the voxes they comment that they are still taking casulties on a high rate from other penal troops.

Most don't even rise up to our current status as an acoylte

[fervent folio]

Ye

Basically we're so good, we made a name for ourselves.

[bold wren]

So the Imperium doesn't care about your past more then where your loyalties lie?

And if you aren't a heretic.

[green loom]

We're mostly low level criminals, save for the psykers

[bold wren]

Because xenos some have special privileges like the Jokaero

[green loom]

So they don't really give a crap

It's also very likely Grendyl is a radical

[bold wren]

He doesn't seen like a Puritan.

Many inquisitors probably hate Grendyl considering how radicals are viewed.

[fervent folio]

So far we know very little about grendyl

[bold wren]

But knowing Puritans they are very specific and by the books.

Radicals do not care.

[rose thorn]

oh yeah valentimes dayis coming uo

i spelt it wrong

bu t hwo cares

[green loom]

My favourite day of doing nothing

[dusk patrol]

The Inquisition isn’t one thing

Some Inquisitors would never want “scum” in their retinue

Some wouldn’t care if you’re a blatant heretic if you can get them what you want

[storm jungle]

Class racism my beloved

[thick cedar]

How do Servo skulls work? Is there grey matter within a servo skull?

[dusk patrol]

It’s generally all mechanical with the skull as the housing unit

It’s not a servitor typically

Has a cogitator and what not within

A lot of times people will use a mentor or someone else they cared about who died for them as a way to honor them.

[storm jungle]

Basically they are like roombas

https://tenor.com/view/roomba-roombas-roomba-party-gif-18291345

with a bit of personality as a treat on the rare occassion as Reward said lol

[queen laurel]

and some of those funny roombas have weapons

[storm jungle]

[thick cedar]

So little to no brain?

[dusk patrol]

None that I’m aware of

Although they are often quirky….

[queen laurel]

it's basically just a drone using a skull as a place to put the components in

[thick cedar]

I always thought full AI was banned. Or am I misunderstanding it

[dusk patrol]

There’s one the Deathwatch has made from a brother who was an extremely good tracker which is very effective at that job for example still.

[dusk patrol]

It’s complicated but it depends

[queen laurel]

it's really ******* complicated

[dusk patrol]

What we consider AI isn’t what the Imperium does often

[thick cedar]

huh

[dusk patrol]

And there’s just grey areas

[queen laurel]

Yeah sometimes the ai straight up just a spirit

[dusk patrol]

Machine spirits vs AI

[queen laurel]

Machine spirits and all that

If the machine developed its own way of thinking and sentient it's a machine spirit basically

but if it's purposely made to have its own way of thinking it's AI

[storm jungle]

Basically as long as the machine isn't SELF-AWARE its fine

[queen laurel]

that's how the imperium sees it i think

[storm jungle]

it should not have a consciousness

[queen laurel]

yeah but if it's a revered machine spirit then suddenly it's fine

[storm jungle]

if a machine can think or feel for itself thats bad

[sacred ginkgo]

Or everybody is just kind of fine with it because a rogue trader owns it or something

[thick cedar]

didnt know servo skulls were so nuanced

i can see why hadron screams at us to not lose hers

[queen laurel]

Most of the time they are just skull drones basically but there are times where they can show more features than others basically

[dusk patrol]

Servo skulls require effort and time to replace.

Convicts don’t

[winter vessel]

It’d be funny if she actually had names for em. “Do not lose, Jimmy!”

[bold wren]

Did the necrons destroy heaven?

I mean they fought the war in heaven.

[dusk patrol]

I think you know the answer to that

[green loom]

I wish the necrons destroyed me

[cerulean jetty]

https://youtu.be/NO5EkU0Qk9A?si=gb5ICmv8UsFSj57b

I feel this must be a hymn of the machine cult to recount the age of technology and the long night that followed

[bold wren]

Filthy heretic.

[fervent heart]

you know out of context this was really entertaining to read

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/is-this-a-joke-poor-rich-dont-understand-horrible-histories-gif-16131375

[wintry scarab]

What's the least popular loyalist chapter? Iron hands?

[storm jungle]

Pretty much.

they DO have fans but they suffer from the fact that they are so "eh okay" that if you removed them from the setting virtually almost nothing would be affected

[rocky gale]

Ironically the Iron Hands would probably be more popular/interesting if they were completely wiped out at Istvaan V

[storm jungle]

LMAO

WOW

[queen laurel]

For being basically one of the most technologically armed space marines around they are more boring than the adeptus mechanicus

Hell the red riding hoods have more personality than them at times

[summer mural]

they have fun recruitment

[rocky gale]

Like if the entire Legion fought to the last man at the feet of their dead Primarch then atleast they'd have fanboys splurging over their "Heroic Last Stand".

[summer mural]

wanna be an iron hands? TIME TO GET OUR HANDS CHOPPED OFF

[coarse pumice]

I wouldn’t be surprised that the reason they have any popularity at all is they have had some powerful rules in past editions

[storm jungle]

I would not be surprised

[summer mural]

iron warriors are more pleasing aesthetically

[storm jungle]

^

[summer mural]

they walk around in giant barrels

iron hands are just marines with a cybernetic limb here and there

[shadow plover]

I know a good few people with prosthetics that are quite fond of Iron Hands

[summer mural]

oh thats actually good to hear

I bet they love the skywalker men

[storm jungle]

[summer mural]

[queen laurel]

Perturabo does have pretty cool armor

[summer mural]

its a big barrel

like the ones they age alcohol in, except its silver

and it does look nice yes

[rocky gale]

I like that when they told Pert that he needed to select an Honourguard from his own warriors he was just like "No, these guys are all useless" and then just built some cool robots to be his Honourguard

[summer mural]

the abbess sanctorum has nice wargear too

she has two cyclone launchers on her shoulders I think

and everything above her head and shoulders looks like a cathedral silhouette

[queen laurel]

In my knowledge chaos iron hands don't have access to this right

[dusk patrol]

Iron Hands are fine people just don’t read any of their lore.

[rocky gale]

No they're just in HH

[queen laurel]

Oh thank god

[dusk patrol]

There’s not much to read but people still don’t

[storm jungle]

This is pretty much the case.

[dusk patrol]

The Iron Circle probably exists in 40k but we haven’t seen it yet

It wasn’t referenced in the one short we see Perturabo in

[rocky gale]

They'll release alongside Daemon Primarch Perturabo

[dusk patrol]

Some chapter you’re never heard of.

For first founding Raven Guard, Iron Hands, or Imperial Fists

[queen laurel]

Funny that the adeptus mechanicus probably has more emotion than your average 9 to 5 worker

[dusk patrol]

For 40k

[storm jungle]

nah people love Raven Guard

[dusk patrol]

30k it’s Raven Guard, Iron Hands

[storm jungle]

and Fists are everywhere

[dusk patrol]

Raven Guard are by far one of the least played and least represented

[queen laurel]

Also i'm pretty sure imperial fist contribute to iron hands popularity because of the memes right where they hate each other because one is a siege specialist and the other is a building specialist

[dusk patrol]

Also have the least books or lore of almost any chapter

[dusk patrol]

That’s Iron Warriors

[queen laurel]

What's the difference

I don't read space marines a lot

[storm jungle]

one has hazard stripes

[dusk patrol]

Iron Warriors are chaos

Siege boys

[storm jungle]

the other is yellow

thats about it

[dusk patrol]

Iron Hands are loyalist, massed vehicle warfare boys

[queen laurel]

Cut me some slack of both of them have iron in front of their names

[celest dome]

If anything I think in the loyalist, the top 3 most popular have always been Ultramarine, Space Wolf and Imperial Fist

[storm jungle]

Iron Warriors are the cooler ones, thats all you need to know

[dusk patrol]

Iron Hands lost their dad, Iron Warriors wish they lost theirs

[queen laurel]

All right i will keep that in mind

[dusk patrol]

Iron Hands have plenty of fine lore people just don’t read, it depends on what you like but it’s the same as people not knowing that sallies are mostly assholes and literally have a whole caste system on the planet which they take into the chapter and are racist against each other for being from the wrong group

[queen laurel]

I mean do you blame me they have the same color as an apartment building that has been left in Detroit to rot

[dusk patrol]

95% of the fanbase gets their lore from memes

TTS didn’t have a focus on the Iron Hands so kids don’t know about them

[storm jungle]

No they weren't even popular before then either

you are just biased because you are an IH fan which is fine

but like its the reality of it

[dusk patrol]

My point is people come in and say they’re boring and what not and they don’t know shit about them

Which is fine but like, people got strong opinions about something they don’t know anything about

They’ve never been the most popular or gotten focus but the focus other chapters get is largely memes by the fanbase which aren’t even accurate a lot of times.

EC suffer from the same issue funnily enough.

There’s a lot of very unique things about the different factions and legions but people just go with the meme answers.

[fierce pendant]

That’s not really gonna change it also doesn’t help every free way of promoting 40k starts and ends with meme videos.

[dusk patrol]

I get that but I can still push back on people shitting on factions they don’t know about

Fairly rightfully if I started shitting on Tau or Eldar or whoever people would push back and do, I’m just doing the same for one I enjoy which people often shit on without knowing much about it beyond maybe one or two lore excerpts and that they’re not the most popular.

[coarse pumice]

IH were one of the original chapters

Funny how many ended up as blood angel successors

[dusk patrol]

Tbf almost all the loyalists were in the original

They established the rest very fast too

It’s kinda wild to read back through the earliest lore and see how much was already in the setting

[coarse pumice]

Almost everything in 40K was cemented by the end of 1st edition

[dusk patrol]

And how there’s a lot which hasn’t changed that dramatically in some ways.

Obviously scope and some things have but like, the whole marine process and organs they had down super super early on

[coarse pumice]

These were the lot in the rule book, with the others coming later as a mention

I think Space Crusade or one of the other board games introduced Imperial Fists as they needed a yellow option

[dusk patrol]

I’ll always love the heresy exists because they needed to cut costs on making chaos titans

[coarse pumice]

(Almost all 40K decisions have an origin like that, to try and get some market or fit a product they need to make)

[dusk patrol]

They couldn’t afford to make another whole faction

So just made “bad guy faction” version for the same faction

[crystal forum]

if it works it works

[dusk patrol]

Very similar to Lucas making “the Clone Wars” a throwaway line

[crystal forum]

disney and lucas himself capitalizing off of every single word used in the original trilogy will never not be funny to me

[dusk patrol]

Iirc he had a completely different idea of what that would be back then too

I do think his take is mostly very original

Compared to what theories were

[crystal forum]

the prequels were good fan service

[dusk patrol]

Lots of good ideas and visuals

Terrible dialogue

[crystal forum]

and terrible story imo

[dusk patrol]

Eh the story is fine

Just needs better writing for the characters dialogue

Some stuff shifted around

[crystal forum]

then the sequels decided to have the worst of the prequels except without the fan service or respect

say what you want about george lucas but at least he cared about fans

[dusk patrol]

Idk why they thought shifting directors every other movie was a good idea

[crystal forum]

isn't that how the original trilogy worked?

[storm jungle]

Damned I missed a lot

[storm jungle]

also Horus Heresy moment

[crystal forum]

yeah no i just checked george lucas didnt direct 5 and 6

[rocky gale]

The Original Trilogy was basically a group effort that's why it worked, but by the time of the Prequels Lucas had basically convinced everyone it was a one man show, so the Prequels were just him and his work suffers when he doesn't have someone to polish off the rough edges.

[storm jungle]

^

[crystal forum]

i heard that that's a major reason why the original trilogy didn't feel so same-y

[storm jungle]

people also give WAY too much credit to Lucas

[summer mural]

then theres the new trilogy

[storm jungle]

theres a reason Empire Strikes Back is probably one of the greatest films ever made lmao

[crystal forum]

the reason the sequels suck is because disney decided to hire the worst possible directors

[summer mural]

well they also approved some really bizarre scripts

[crystal forum]

not bad directors but ones that are not fit for such movies

[storm jungle]

As long as you get a good director you can make any movie work

just look at James Gunn's Suicide Squad

HE MADE POLKA-DOT MAN WORK

HOW DO YOU DO THAT

[dusk patrol]

Tbh the sequel would have been fine if they just committed to something

[summer mural]

like, who read the script for ep8 and thought , yeah, this is awesome

[rocky gale]

And although George Lucas directed New Hope it was only any good because of Marcia Lucas saving it during the edit.

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

Instead they changed the entire course every other movie

[summer mural]

they didnt just change course,they fully went back on what they were doing

[storm jungle]

its the same way 40k works, nostalgia-bait your fans and they'll wojak point and buy everything

[crystal forum]

that's the thing too, directors without supervision sometimes dont know how to limit themselves

the original star wars had small budgets

[dusk patrol]

Prequels had a lot of isssues but the world building and ideas were solid, episode 8….idk what the fuck Rian was doing

[summer mural]

I will say, I have thoroughly enjoyed mandalorian

[dusk patrol]

I still can’t fathom they didn’t have an outline

They literally had no plan

[storm jungle]

did you guys like the part in the Horus Heresy where the Emperor is about to strike down Horus

then Ollanious Pious tackles him

[summer mural]

lol

[storm jungle]

and says you should not kill horus

and use the power of love

[crystal forum]

this is stars wars chat

[storm jungle]

yeah thats what Rose did to Finn

[dusk patrol]

Fuck I hate the sequels

[summer mural]

also, emprah beating horus by basically having a dagger given to him by grammaticus and then stabbing him

[dusk patrol]

What a waste of a great cast

[storm jungle]

this is my main point of hate

you are NEVER gonna have the original cast back anymore

Ford is a cunt

[crystal forum]

don't you guys love how the emperor is alive again but also has a massive fleet of star destroyers

[storm jungle]

Hamill is just done

Carrie is unfortunately gone

etc

[summer mural]

cant blame hamill tbh, he tried

[storm jungle]

bro

[summer mural]

he tried so hard

[storm jungle]

the amount of times he tried to warn us

[dusk patrol]

Literally everyone tried

[storm jungle]

[rocky gale]

I love that the comics/books have tried to make it all make sense after the fact, but if anything it makes less sense now

[dusk patrol]

The whole cast was great

They just didn’t even make a basic outline for the movies like

wtf

How

[storm jungle]

^

[summer mural]

https://tenor.com/view/luke-skywalker-luke-green-milk-star-wars-luke-green-milk-gif-20963512

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

And then they just hand everything to Rian cause he’s a nice guy I guess?

Like what the fuck I want his Rizz