40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

yeah

also Bile calls it a failure

but Bile is also a dick

[frank valve]

and an EC

[winter vessel]

I gotta feel bad for that 1 Unfleshed reminds me “of mice and men”.

[arctic talon]

The Emperors children would be really dangerous

[frank valve]

THE EMPEROR LOVES ME

[arctic talon]

if they had an attention span

longer then 30 minutes

[tulip brook]

Honsou Ventris rivalry is like perty dorn lite

[arctic talon]

even funnier is how Fulgrim doesn't even bother commanding the EC lol

[frank valve]

and didn't constantly fuck off to go torture civilians?

[arctic talon]

depends but yeah

close enough lol

or just think "this is boring"

and leave

[frank valve]

Siege of the imperial palace? Nah, there are civilians to torture

[arctic talon]

tbh Omegon is still a ???

about his status lol

he's probably alive

maybe

[frank valve]

I have my doubts about either A/O being dead

[arctic talon]

Alpharius is confirmed dead

[frank valve]

like the alpha legions whole schtick is they all look the same

[arctic talon]

Omegon is alive

as far as we know

[tulip brook]

A is dead as dead can be

[arctic talon]

yeah

Omegon is still alive and kicking

but he seems to not care about the state of the AL

[tulip brook]

AL even got psychic backlash when alpharius got chopped

[frank valve]

Are there any further developments with the lion and the fallen?

[arctic talon]

Lion has started forgiving some of the Fallen

that he finds worthy of being forgiven

if they aren't forgiven he hands them over to the Interrogator chaplains to uh

do their thing

[frank valve]

The ones that simply went renegade rather than traitor

[arctic talon]

yeah

or the ones who went traitor but regret it and didn't drink the chaos kool-aid

[winter vessel]

“Asmodai…do the thing”

[arctic talon]

I love how Asomdai is arguably shit at his job

Hes only gotten 2 confessions ever

he usually just fucking kills them

[winter vessel]

I consider that progress

[frank valve]

Didn't their fortress get attacked in the arks of omen?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

but they survived

because Belakor

[frank valve]

If they were innocent they wouldn't have died

[arctic talon]

lol

Belakor literally just uh

[frank valve]

did belakor things

[arctic talon]

Shanked Vashtor in the back

yeah

[frank valve]

I love Belakor, the true embodiment of chaos.

[winter vessel]

He went “HAH NERD!” shamk

[arctic talon]

Belakor causing a Chaos Daemon civil war mid invasion of The Rock

is hilarious

[winter vessel]

I’ll probably catch heat for this. But I like Farsight’s story in Arks of Omen

[arctic talon]

nah

thats reasonable lol

[tulip brook]

Single chapter gets invaded by not one but two chaos demigods and survives... because of it

[arctic talon]

mfw your enemies bailed you out

[tulip brook]

They traded their chapter monastery teleport engine with chapter forest teleport

[arctic talon]

do you think Lion just

gathers them all up in a circle

before teleporting them lol

[tulip brook]

Isn't that what he did in his book?

[frank valve]

Gather round, children, we're going on a walk through the spooky warp woods

[tulip brook]

Bros let's go to forest

[winter vessel]

It’s like one of those kindergarten lines you have to perform while holding a flag “Single file please”

[arctic talon]

lol

[tulip brook]

Hold hands of each other don't get lost

[winter vessel]

“Okay we’re here eh-….where’s jimmy?”

[frank valve]

I think we can all agree that its heartwarming that once robot gorillaman woke up and looked at the imperium immediately got hit with the depresso

Fuck the smurfs, and fuck the codex

[tulip brook]

He got so salty he even bitched about imperium's state to mortarion

[arctic talon]

tbh the codex is like fine

[tulip brook]

As if he cares

[arctic talon]

from a fundamental standpoint

[frank valve]

The codex is dumb

[arctic talon]

he wants to kill himself for a variety of other reasons tbh

[frank valve]

The codex is the reason we have the marine malevolent

[arctic talon]

Marines malevolent are funny

[tulip brook]

Gorillaman wrote neocodex after he woke up

[arctic talon]

tbh Lion chilled out

after his Coma

[frank valve]

He got a much needed nap

he wasn't actually genocidal, he was just cranky

[winter vessel]

This honestly

[frank valve]

I hope they bring back Khan soon

[arctic talon]

They want to contrast his past self with his present one prolly

[tulip brook]

GW don't seem to rock the boat too much. No chill Lion would mean BT levels weaponized autism DA

Declaring war against ecclesiarchy, going out against guilliman for his populist approach

Now he's like, ok idgaf about how you do things. I can just protect you from stuff

Dante is still in charge too

[frank valve]

Ok, big question.

Do you think Vulkan is actually dead?

[celest dome]

No

Cause he would sell very easily

[tulip brook]

Even the dead ones aren't dead because toys

[frank valve]

Ferrus is definitely very dead

Unless they pull some shenanigans and "HE WAS LEADING THE LEGION OF THE DAMNED ALL ALONG"

[tulip brook]

Yeah he might be the last candidate to revive

[frank valve]

Ababyddon is the new horus

[tulip brook]

Baddie even gets flak for looking like horus

[frank valve]

and sanguinius being dead is too important to the lore of the blood angels and successor chapters

[tulip brook]

Meta momento

[tulip brook]

If they decide to retire dante, mephiston, sanguinor models...

[winter vessel]

Dante: "please just let me die..." The universe: "MMMM...nah"

[tulip brook]

I think Dante as lamenters personified. He's not that powerful himself. He gets seriously wounded in every encounter yet he punches way above his grade and gets the shit done

[winter vessel]

I put the humanity scale of Lamenters to be on par with the Salamanders. Our checkered shoulder poor punching bags, despite everything being thrown at them, still remain loyal

[sacred ginkgo]

Most humanitarian chapter

Look inside

Flame and Melta weapons

[tulip brook]

They also believe in burning themselves for cleaning so yeah

[winter vessel]

they probably host the best BBQ's in the Imperium

[tulip brook]

In a sense, they are offering the same mercy and purification to the enemies

Very wholesome very passionate

[sacred ginkgo]

I was about to say burning to death and mercy shouldn’t go in the same sentence and then I remembered it was 40k

[winter vessel]

Compared to most fates in 40k? The Salamanders battle doctrine of "BURN THEM!...with kindness❤️ " really is on the merciful side of things.

[rigid dune]

Is there any book/story that is told from the tyranids perspektive?

[toxic hedge]

damn I just looked up burning of prospero and russ is a scumbag

[summer mural]

eh

russ got tricked by horus

russ is mostly a hypocrite

[toxic hedge]

guy had no proof thousand sons were guilty like magnus, decides to bombard prospero from orbit and wipes out continent worth of cities and wild life then when the capital survived cause the thousand sons rush to activate the shield he and valdor now declares them guilty

[summer mural]

horus intercepted russ and told him the emprah wanted the thousand sons dead instead of being brought back to terra

so russ was happy to comply

[toxic hedge]

yeah yeah everyone knows the basic

im talking about the details afterwards

the magnus and diplomacy shit is okay sure, deceived but he still sends out message demanding surrender but tzeentch intervened so there’s that, but the fact that he force thousand sons to defend themselves, which isnt even shooting at the fleet btw, just shielding the capital from bombardment and condemn them after is just guilty

[summer mural]

but yes, he did enjoy killing them and razing prospero a tad..too much

[toxic hedge]

point is, thousand sons and prospero civs weren’t guilty of magnus’ doing, he could’ve sent a strike team marching right at magnus’ library then if faced resistance, shoot after

[summer mural]

and yes, the thousand sons marines themselves got done extremely dirty, they even made planets prosperous, obeyed their primarch and then magnus abandoned them to mope in his tower while they had no clue what was going as the space wolves went after them

[toxic hedge]

he shoot at civs first, then get pissed they defended themselves

among all loyalist primarchs who’s somewhat concerned with the innocents russ at prospero is the worst

[summer mural]

the space wolves get better after the heresy tbh

mostly because russ fucked off and grimnar is a chad

[toxic hedge]

russ is a grand tard in prospero, for someone who the book constantly reminds us is smart

[summer mural]

during the heresy they kinda take their role as the emperors executioners a bit too seriously

and russ is hotheaded at the best of times

[toxic hedge]

thing is custodes were also with russ, like captain valdor was there too

they also swallowed the dumbfuck pill apparently, letting russ fire on innocent civ

[summer mural]

well I expect the custodes to kill civilians more than space marines generally

I wouldnt be surprised if valdor decided to nuke fenris to the ground immediately afterward if the emperor told him russ was a traitor

[celest dome]

I think you'd be surprised to what the Imperium take as acceptable collateral damage

[toxic hedge]

thing is valdor is a bot who’s meant to only obey big E and he couldnt even do the bot things right

big E says magnus alive, all cost, the fact that he let russ kill magnus means he failed the order given to him

[summer mural]

yeah killing civilians during the course of the imperiums battle happens a lot, there are entire chapters who have protecting innocents as one of their defining features because it really is more uncommon than youd expect

[toxic hedge]

that doesnt matter so much if they got proof prospero were guilty and it’s collateral dmg

dont you see how they force them into defending themselves and then say they’re guilty is the scummy part?

[summer mural]

well they had proof, the issue was the scale of the punishment

which initially was bring em back to terra, and then horus lied and made it yeah no just kill them

and russ of course, hates magnus and the psykers anyway

so he was happy to oblige

[toxic hedge]

only proof they had is magnus broke E’s project, far as the imperium’s concerned there’s no visible violation of nikea from prospero

you should go watch occulus imperia vid on burning of prospero for the actual details lmao

[summer mural]

that is the proof

which horus then decreed must be death

which everyone believed

[toxic hedge]

horus suggested, not decreed, otherwise that’s violating and trying to override big E’s censor degree

and again, valdor is there, and he doesnt believe that

[summer mural]

not to mention, I dunno if magnus would have surrendered anyway

he was moping grandly in his tower, accepting death because he assumed the emperor ordered it as a reasonable punishment

[toxic hedge]

ofc you dont know since you didnt read it

[celest dome]

Horus was the Warmaster, his order were just as good as the Emp's

[toxic hedge]

book says as much about magnus’ drive in disabling defences and stopping his sons from mounting defenses, cause he want the wolves to take it as a sign they’re surrendering and not to shoot

magnus’ intent to surrender is not open to question, if he receives the decree he would surrender

[queen laurel]

nope, since tyranids don't have the ability to narrate their stories or you know talk you can only really see the invasion on the perspective of the people about to be eaten

I'm pretty sure there is no book that is told in their perspective if there is then I don't know about it

[storm jungle]

https://bolterandchainsword.com/topic/379879-the-end-and-the-death-part-i-ii-iii/page/42/#comment-6017532

Looks like the Death and the End Part 3 got released early in Canada so if anyone wants to read some spoilers here it is.

Lmfao christ

KEK

yeah uh this seems aggressively okay

nothing big revelations wise, important characters that werent obviously gonna make it into 40k die, Big E kills Horus, most of the original plotpoints are here, pretty meh

[green loom]

Is there a spoiler thread somewhere

[storm jungle]

Yeah in the link

it should jump you to where the guy posted his thing

[green loom]

That's the big ending?

https://tenor.com/view/birthday-day-let-down-sad-bad-day-celebrate-gif-6086793

[uncut dagger]

quick question: if a person who is infected is important enough, would the emperium try to cure/ lobotomize them(with nurgle plague)?

[spring cairn]

I think they would just die

[uncut dagger]

fair.

[storm jungle]

You gotta admit

||Loken getting backstabbed by Erebus out of nowhere was funny||

[green loom]

Yes

[storm jungle]

I legit wheezed

like ????

[green loom]

Fucking

[storm jungle]

Also Abaddon just letting him live because he has plot armor

[green loom]

Clown shoes ass book

[storm jungle]

^

[green loom]

I'm not too miffed by that, it's imo consistent with how he interacts with Siggy later on

[storm jungle]

Yeah I don't care too much either

its just funny

[green loom]

But like

Lmao

[rocky gale]

Maybe Abaddon is just a chill guy

[green loom]

"Well how does he get there?"
"He walks through a door"

Though ||Horus just throwing that shit off|| is just

Huh

Pretty cheap way to nuke him tbh but I do like him just

Being able to do that

[storm jungle]

okay ngl i dont care for spoilers anymore fuck it

Horus begging for Big E to kill him is just lame

[green loom]

[storm jungle]

💀

also Fo's stupid superweapon plot going nowhere

[shadow plover]

cmon really

[green loom]

Like I said

[shadow plover]

it's not even out yet

[storm jungle]

Its literally nothing good

and like anything big either

Horus and Big E fight and he kills him is not exactly a new plotpoint either

[shadow plover]

I still don't want to know anything about it before listening it myself

same thing with movies I want to see, won't watch trailers or anything

just spoil whatever you discuss about it

[storm jungle]

Im gonna kill you

[shadow plover]

[rocky gale]

Even if it's disappointing, people should be able to experience the disappointment for themselves

[storm jungle]

Never.

I'm the De-Spoiler for a reason

but fiiiiiiine

[shadow plover]

thanks

[queen laurel]

and so the day it happened when the loremaster finally decided to snap

it was a glorious day

remembered by many

[celest dome]

Not the 1st time GW/BL really end up missing the cues of good literature and going for bad ones

[rocky gale]

[storm jungle]

[umbral nymph]

safest day in catachan

[rose thorn]

||pls tell me it says who died that made big E pulverize horus||

[storm jungle]

Read up here

[green loom]

||He just does it, guy is fully emotionless during this ||

[rose thorn]

Imma be real I have I clue how to navigate this website

I might just have brain damage

[storm jungle]

Thats how it is with most shitty forum sites lol

[rose thorn]

||HUH?!||

[green loom]

Ruh

[storm jungle]

lemme just copy paste spoilers

[rose thorn]

thank you my brain can not comprehend this website

[storm jungle]

its a dumb one so

[rose thorn]

||FUCKING JOHN?!?||

[storm jungle]

absolute clownshow

[rose thorn]

||beating scalpers by writing HH fan fiction||

[storm jungle]

lmaooo

[queen laurel]

I'm going to be honest my good friend whatever fanfiction you write would probably be better than the whole of Horus heresy entirely

[rocky gale]

You say that, but fans wrote the Dornian Heresy and it's somehow worse.

[celest dome]

I'm fairly certain that the Dornian Heresy was written by Perty's fan

[umbral nymph]

Thats how Loken goes? Really?

[queen laurel]

Yeah but i do not care about the Dornian heresy and i actually forgot about the Dornian heresy until you reminded me of its existence just now

[storm jungle]

||Eresus really just pulled an amongus on him||

https://tenor.com/view/among-us-kill-gif-19198366

[rocky gale]

Unlikely in it Pert just dies in the battle of the Eternity Gate, it's not even noted who killed him, he just died during the battle.

[queen laurel]

Erebus being born and suddenly having smoke with everything breathing is the greatest thing of all time

[storm jungle]

yeah I never hated Erebus hes hilarious

like hes not a character to me

hes a cartoon

its so good

[celest dome]

Wait so he take Sanguinus' place ?

[queen laurel]

Yeah he's like old chaos from fantasy that has like no redeeming qualities that push them forward he literally just wants more power and more control

FUCK IT WE BALL

[green loom]

Pert being hyper competent is common memelore

[queen laurel]

Erebus when he literally gets more power

[rocky gale]

Na it's weird, in it Dorn still built the Palace and basically traps the Emperor inside it, so the Loyalists are trying to siege it to free him, while the traitors are protecting it to keep them out so Pert is trying to breach the gate and Sang is holding it, like in regular HH.

Think it's more likely that Dornian Heresy was written by Ultramarine fanboys, because they don't become Loyalist or Traitor, Ultramar becomes an independent Empire that becomes hyper technologically advanced and tolerant while the Imperium regresses.

[green loom]

Pretty based

[celest dome]

The only alternate heresy spin that I saw and liked was one where the Perpetuals all went against the Emperor, each creating their own factions

[rocky gale]

I'll never get over their handling of Sanguinius, their method of turning him traitor was to basically just make him a different person who isn't Sanguinius

[celest dome]

Basically what happen to Horus

[rocky gale]

Like he's raised by different people and is a horrific mutant instead of an angel, like at that point it's not the same character, so why even bother with the whole what if scenario?

No I don't mean he gets corrupted to become different, he's just a different person altogether throughout the story

[celest dome]

Most alternate heresy are like that, or have the divergence happen with the character changing personality

Scratch that, most fanfictions are like taht

[rose thorn]

I don’t know why they replaced all xenos with primarchs, but besides that the kitbash potential is cool

Death guard eldar is extremely funny though

[rocky gale]

I can never forgive them for making Sanguinius fall to Nurgle

Disgusting

[rose thorn]

To be fair, in HH a blood angel Character was possessed by a nurgle demon

[rocky gale]

Sure but HH also had a plot where there was an attempt to corrupt the entire Blood Angel Chapter and Sanguinius to Khorne, if you want to have an alternate timeline where he falls, just make that plot succeed. It's simple, all you have to do is remove the one Blood Angel character who stopped it.

[rose thorn]

Khorne blood Angels would have been kinda blatantly obvious tbh, khorne space wolves is literally perfect

Personally I think Slaanesh blood angels would have been better

Instead of

[rocky gale]

I agree Slaanesh would be the better option, I'm just saying that there's easier ways to make him fall to Chaos than completely rewritting his character from conception to make it happen in a way that still doesn't make sense.

[rose thorn]

No one I think?

[celest dome]

Tzeentch Space wolves is great

[rocky gale]

Tzeentch Space Wolves would be great

Bird Wolves

[rose thorn]

They are already tzeentch’s favorite legion

[celest dome]

Slaanesh honestly feel like the best way to make it work is either the White Scars, the Iron Fist, or the Ultramarine

[rose thorn]

WHITE SCARS OH YEAH

Slaanesh white scars is so fuckinh cool

But I would have preferred if they just fucked off

But it’s so awesome

[celest dome]

Nurgle White Scars or Salamanders

[rocky gale]

I think White Scar's as Undivided feels better.

[rose thorn]

I don’t like ultra marines joining Tau- or taking over or what ever

Iron hands being necrons is pretty funny

Correct me if I’m wrong but the loyalist legions in dh are like, not interesting?

[rocky gale]

Like the Scars have that aspect of Chogorian Mysticism, which in a "What If" scenario could fill the position of the Word Bearers in HH.

[tough haven]

How it feels to take your computer (cogitator) to be fixed

https://youtu.be/ZLsX9WUdYnU?si=BP19g_yAPFptXut2

https://youtu.be/Ub3CEu7kArQ?si=DGKsWFfgu6gAQSyW

This is one of my favorite 40K memes, pretty much sums up machine spirits

[versed ledge]

do GSCs get their new members like this?

[arctic talon]

Pretty much, or they keep it even more insular

Also sometimes they have a front

As just a normal rebellion

Or other sorts of organized groups

[crystal forum]

fucking erebus? are you kidding me?

[storm jungle]

Its funny

[crystal forum]

no no

you know what i hate about writers

when they feel obligated to kill characters when their plot arcs are over

[storm jungle]

lmao yep

[crystal forum]

just throwing away loken into the trash can because he's no longer got any plot relevance

[storm jungle]

also speaking of

https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3494493&pagenumber=1089&perpage=40#post537315580

more detailed spoiler summary

[crystal forum]

i have no idea how to navigate that ancient website

[storm jungle]

You scroll down

and find this CIA text

[crystal forum]

MK ultra

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

there's too much shit going on in these books

[storm jungle]

literally a 14 year old's fanfic

[plush mason]

the fact the courts full on called them out on that was so funny. "documents shouldnt look like barcodes"

[storm jungle]

lmfao

[crystal forum]

even in the abridged version like half the shit can be cut out

[storm jungle]

500 pages dude

your average 40k book is like 200

[crystal forum]

so dumb

[plush mason]

thats a lot of fluff

and i image almost as much filler as the average american food product kekw

[crisp heath]

The custodes guardian spears

Are they actually spears or are they glaives

And they really don’t seem so horribly difficult designs to build why doesn’t the imperium make more of them?

[storm jungle]

because they are master-crafted + made for the custodes

you can copy the design its just that theres no point in it

[plush mason]

due to the way they are used and the shape of the blade they are glaives

tho many have a halberd like spike coming out of the top of the bolter

[green loom]

Oh bruh

The knots

Isn't that a fucking plot point from uhh

Tenet

[tough haven]

It’s so good though

Orks took a while to learn to write

Btw I know where to find Gav and Bob, but didn’t people write more stories as spin offs of that story? And are they any good?

[storm jungle]

@soft thunder question has anyone on the Darktide wiki bothered making a page for the retinue members of Grendyl who sometimes get added through cosmetic item backgrounds?

[wanton stag]

Quick question, on death guards recruiting more plague marines. Do they just have spare mk3 armors lying around to give to their new guys? Because their armor is much different compared to the regular chaos space marine with their armor trims

[gray umbra]

stop asking logical questions

[arctic talon]

They probably make their own stuff

the death guard are very functional still

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

as an actual unified faction

[storm jungle]

the Plague Planet also like

literally has an active recruitment pool

and factories

[arctic talon]

also not all plague marine look the same way

as the minis

There's some that are pretty much just really fucked up MK7 marines

[storm jungle]

^

[wanton stag]

gotcha

[storm jungle]

on the covers of Lord of Silence you can even see a Plague Marine with firstborn armor

[plush mason]

was there ever a stated reason for the little balls on some of the SM armor?

[green loom]

Also the nurgle/warp taint might straight up warp the armour into different shape

[arctic talon]

Its field repairs

[gray umbra]

they're bolts

[arctic talon]

or faster repairs

[storm jungle]

Also deflect solid rounds without allowing them penetration so are usually useful against other space marines.

[green loom]

Think of it like stone shattering and you bolt it together

With some on the edge of both cracks

It holds the armour together basically

As I understand anyway

[plush mason]

makes since because iirc they started showing up during the heresy

[storm jungle]

yep its a mark from that era

also yeah basically what Ed said

[plush mason]

didnt horus fuck over the loyalist logistics before the heresy started? made sure his forces got most of the new stuff

[storm jungle]

Yeah its the excuse used to like

explain all the new armor marks and how traitors get some of the more specific ones you see on modern Chaos marines

[plush mason]

got it

[storm jungle]

or why they get all the powerpacks that have the extended thrusters lol

its flimsy but mostly works

[plush mason]

he was the top dude at the time

only big e could have overruled him on stuff like that and he was busy back on terra

[plush mason]

did they remake the armor to be fat?

[storm jungle]

No thats uh

their guts swelling and literally denting it

lmao

[plush mason]

so their guts swelled so much it literally dented ballistic ceramic

[storm jungle]

That + the warp actively mutates CSM armor

like actively accomodating and fusing to your skin or making demonic appendages

[plush mason]

yeah if it can mutate void ships ceramite would be no different

[storm jungle]

Yep pretty much

[plush mason]

whats the name of Nurgle's champion?

[arctic talon]

Typhus the Traveller

or just Typhus

[storm jungle]

very original we know

a name literally SO on the nose they had to rename him in 30k

[gray umbra]

Typhon

[storm jungle]

👆

this is the equilavent of being named Evan then renaming yourself to Ebola

[gray umbra]

Very creative gw

[storm jungle]

hey if it works it works

these guys are basically cartoon villains

[gray umbra]

Oh yeah i love it

[storm jungle]

like its not as badass as Shockwave, Starscream or Megatron but ill take it lol

[plush mason]

GW is British and i know better than to expect creativity from that nation lol

[storm jungle]

[gray umbra]

Its about what i expect from the writers of a factions called blood angels and space wolves lo l olol

[plush mason]

ok so im reading Typhus' lexicon page and it sounds like the dude was made of pure adamentium before he became nurgle's chosen champion

[storm jungle]

hes also like a hybrid

half alien half human

[plush mason]

well the overlords might have been mutants

[storm jungle]

Nah they are aliens.

Its outright said by them in the novel

but like its such a small part of his character so its not that important

[plush mason]

ah the lexicanum page said it was unknow if they where xenos or mutant humans

[storm jungle]

Yeah its just not told outright but they basically are aliens

and uh

typhus' background changes like 3 times across the heresy, if you scroll below they even address it lmao

[plush mason]

ok. i have seen a few references to Khorne daemons having dog-heads in some text. but i have never actually seen that in mini or artwork

is there a reason for that?

[green loom]

Khorne fans are furries

I kid
I'm not sure why there's a relation

Though a lot of Khorne fans I know are furries

[plush mason]

iirc Khorne himself is said to have the head of a hound

[storm jungle]

I think its because you just associate hounds a lot with war/violent stuff or just mauling people

[green loom]

He's called the hound by the norscans if memory serves

[plush mason]

ye

[green loom]

And he has doggo units

[storm jungle]

Yep that too

its generally just Hounds being associated with war

[plush mason]

"cry havoc and let slip the dogs of war"

[green loom]

They, as the kids say, got dat dawg in em

[storm jungle]

but basically yeah thats the case

though its not used a lot as an animal motif for Khorne

[plush mason]

but like. why in all the art and minis do none of them aside the actual hound units have anything remotely like a dog head

[storm jungle]

Narrative =/= mini or art disconnection

its the same as how in Gotrek and Felix the beastmen they fight have so many animal forms/heads aside from bulls or cattle animals but they are never showcased in minis

[plush mason]

true

this is what promted me to ask btw

[storm jungle]

yeah thats just for flair

same as how Tzeentch has crows and Nurgle has flies etc

[green loom]

And frogs

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah lmao

[green loom]

And most notably me

[storm jungle]

[plush mason]

damnit. the lexicanum didnt have anything on what the nemesis wurm actually does

[arctic talon]

it turned the fabricator general of metalica into some flesh abomination

So it seems to rapidly mutate the person it infects

[plush mason]

its clear from what info the page did have and the short story Weshammer did a video on recently that Typhus loves to make viruses and sicknesses that are highly personal to the intended targets

[gray umbra]

Theres a lot of leeway to be creative in 40k narratively but very hard to portray in visual media

[soft thunder]

kind of, I could do something like that

might else well just put it on grendyl's page or something, seems bout right

[soft thunder]

Almost everyone of the bundles are members of the warband, not all state it directly, but it's implied for all of them , I assume, I'd have to check them.

[soft thunder]

only like 12-15 of the bundle descriptions (that I've found and added) really mention grendyl etc at all

I thought there'd be like 25 like that, guess not.

[frosty kiln]

Question for the lore nuts here. Is there any particular guardsman character that you feel like is either underrated or overrated?

Personally. I miss Sgt Merrick from Dawn of War.

[storm jungle]

Yeah I just took a look, its a mix between 3 things

• Actually part of Grendyl's retinue
• Just happened to be on Tertium, not a part of the retinue
• Completely unrelated, just has a random backstory blurb

[green loom]

Clears throat
JANTINE MENTIONED
GG REFERENCE

[umbral nymph]

Erebus channelling his inner raven guard for a momment

[gray umbra]

Maxim Sorel from ciaphas cain is kind of based

Only reason he died was for the plot

During a internal conflict while the valhallans are quarelling over their regiments merging, the dude just decides to stab some naval security guy to death for no reason

And handled genestealers and tau no problem

Absolute chad

[surreal nest]

Anybody familiar with white scar markings?

[celest dome]

Somewhat

[surreal nest]

Do you know if there's like a chart or something because for the longest time I just assumed they were scribbles

its gonna be really embarassing if i just paint random markings on each marine

[celest dome]

This ?

[surreal nest]

YES

Yipppe!!

Tyvm!

[versed ledge]

That armor looks protective as all hell

Flak armor ain't that bad, but how can a bolter round penetrate it?

Also how can an Eldar shurikens round penetrate it?

My estimate that thing should exceed level IV protection

[storm jungle]

One is literally an explosive red-bull can sized shell

the other is a alien material and also monomolecular, aka very sharp and penetrative lol

[coarse pumice]

Those can sling a lot of material very fast

[storm jungle]

Yeah its like asking "how can a 50. cal penetrate a helmet"

[queen laurel]

by our standards is good but you only have to look at 40K to realize that it's basically garbage

[rocky gale]

Guardsman armour is somewhat effective against small arms fire from stub and las weapons, but bolters are just beyond that.

[normal light]

It has a lot of velocity

[rocky gale]

Being shot by a Bolter is more like being shot by a tank than a regular gun

[normal light]

To be correct autocannon

[queen laurel]

hell it can literally be just mounted into a stand and it would serve you well

Or if you're a giga Chad human you can wield a heavy bolter

[normal light]

Well some HMG are capable of being shot for hand (only Kord as I reckon)

But like in 2 round bursts with 0 accuracy

[versed ledge]

Fair enough, add jet fuel and ability to detonate on impact after penetration too

[normal light]

And also yeah, 40K humans are probably spiced by stims and enchantments

[coarse pumice]

Bolters are kind of like small grenade launchers

[versed ledge]

Wonder if our guys in DT are juiced up on stims

[coarse pumice]

I don’t know if they’re style gyrojets though

[versed ledge]

Pretty sure the zealot is on something

[normal light]

My Zealot, 100%

[celest dome]

We do get battle stim but we also have normal stims too

[rocky gale]

My Zealot is 100% natty, no juice, just faith.

and blood, delicious delicious blood

[coarse pumice]

Who’s Natty?

[rocky gale]

It's gym bro slang for "Natural" meaning no steroids

[normal light]

Probably boosted up by Khorne

[queen laurel]

my ogryn is probably dead because he has ingested enough stims to OD a space marine

[normal light]

Tox-Ogryn moment

[thick cedar]

Are psyker powers genetic? Like if 2 average psykers had a child would that child be a psyker?

I know Navigators have selective breeding

But i always wondered if that was an exception or the rule

[versed ledge]

Reminds me of cassia all of sudden

[celest dome]

Not entirely, there are case of Psyker and Blank being born to normal people, or to Psyker/Blank
But it's not the majority

[queen laurel]

mostly but you can be very creative with your applications say use biomancy to forcefully move a flesh covered metal body

[storm jungle]

Being a psyker is about the "luck" of the draw and a lot to do with your soul

[versed ledge]

The only time I wish there was an option to send a security team to wherever she was holding that stupid ritual

[storm jungle]

its rleated to the warp, not scientific at all

or genetic

[thick cedar]

So its pure RNG

[normal light]

Also there are some drugs which can give you temporary psychic powers

[storm jungle]

Yep lol

[normal light]

but yeah

Probably Chaos related

and you may die horrible death because you can`t truly control your "new" abilities in such case

[thick cedar]

So thats where Todd got the idea to make Jet give Mama Murphy psychic powers

[queen laurel]

You can literally overload and explode or you can die the fun part and become a literal portal forcefully being twisted and ripped apart as demons use it to have a vacation in the mortal realm

i would take the former if i were you because it's rather quite quick

[normal light]

My beloved portable Warp Rifts

[queen laurel]

Or if you want you can be fed to the emperor as a late night snack

[normal light]

Maybe

[normal light]

But still

so you probably already getting tainted after use

[rocky gale]

I remember in the FFG Star Wars rpg there was a drug called Booster Blue which was basically just a specific brand of spray paint that you could huff to sped up your reaction times and it made you better at piloting.

[plush mason]

so how do you think Brunt became the warband quartermaster?

because an Ogryn quartermaster just seems strange to me

[crisp heath]

He’s a savant

Blessed with skills despite appearances

And rannick makes use of peoples skills despite how they appear. Example being us rejects

[plush mason]

makes sense

[crystal forum]

every time you get information about an older imperial vehicle you almost always see it mentioned that it's still in use in very small numbers

like the malcador

but you can never find them in 40k stories grrr

im still really interested in the idea of a tank that was made during the great crusades still being used without anyone realizing its age

[arctic talon]

It’s poor engine isn’t maintained so well anymore

The answer as to why they aren’t in 40k stories

Is bcs forgeworld

[crystal forum]

yeah i was about to mention that aspect

[arctic talon]

Which is a shame but also

[crystal forum]

most times old equipment is used is after it's taken out of long term storage or something

[arctic talon]

I’m glad the forgeworld and GW teams

Stopped having a dick measuring contest

[crystal forum]

you know what really interests me though

the macharius

forge world made it for the siege of vraks

but it's supposed to be a cheaper replacement for the baneblade

[arctic talon]

It’s “worse” then the baneblade lore wise iirc

[crystal forum]

so the model can't be reused in solar auxilia due to timeline issues and GW probably doesnt want to add rules to another baneblade

[arctic talon]

But lore wise it’s made by forgeworlds

Who can’t afford the baneblade stc

Or don’t have it

[crystal forum]

it's going to be stuck in limbo isn't it

[arctic talon]

Prolly not

It’s got 40k rules

Which are like

Decent iirc

[crystal forum]

you'd think that would make them way more common

[arctic talon]

Tbh it’s because the regiments on the tabletop are like

The best of the best

[crystal forum]

true true

[arctic talon]

But if you want to make your own like more badly supplied or worse regiment

Macharius very fluffy

[crystal forum]

I've wanted to make that for months if you havent noticed

[arctic talon]

Lol

[crystal forum]

a shitty backworld regiment

i'm still trying to print my "chimera" leman russ that's a mix of krieg/mars alpha hull with the discontinued gryphonne IV turret

idk why im so obsessed with only using 1:1 authentic GW models but i think it makes it so much cooler

i just wish there was more lore for astra militarum vehicle variants

oh fuck wait actually i had something for the chimera

[plush mason]

isnt forgeworld a subsidiary of GW?

[arctic talon]

Yes

But they had separate modeling teams

And painting teams

The lore teams were the only shared thing

[plush mason]

why?

[arctic talon]

Idk

[crystal forum]

WHEELED CHIMERA

[arctic talon]

But it was very weird

And FW was super aggressive

About their minis

Originally

[plush mason]

thats just a striker lol

[queen laurel]

Ohh yeah I remember forge world is the one that had the rogue idol

[arctic talon]

Also FW has a very different painting style

From eavy metal

And it really shows

[plush mason]

are those voidsmen?

[arctic talon]

They’re Solar auxilia from the heresy

[plush mason]

ah

what are those guns they have?

plasma of some kind?

[arctic talon]

Volkite

Those are their specialist squad for uh

Killing marines

[plush mason]

ah

[arctic talon]

But the Solar auxilia were originally a Saturn “regiment”

That served as an elite force for the imperial army

[plush mason]

what happened to all the Volkite weapons anyway?

[arctic talon]

Too few to spread out

They’re still made

Just only really used by the admech in any real number

[celest dome]

Was it Phosphex where they lost the tech and killed the Inventor with it ?

[queen laurel]

Are these the guys that charonites worked with?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But the Solar auxilia are interesting

Their “culture” spread really far during the heresy

And then completely collapsed back to just Saturn

[plush mason]

thats the ones that covers the target in white phosphorus right?

[arctic talon]

Yeah and the gun is a holy relic

[arctic talon]

That’s phosphor which is a phosphex replacment

Phosphex is like if Napalm was corrosive and tracked down targets

And couldn’t be put out

[plush mason]

well white phosphorus is the same way

[arctic talon]

Lol true

[celest dome]

Phosphex is like Napalm if Napalm wanted youdead and had the means to do so

[arctic talon]

But the auxilia probably exists in some form still

On Saturn

Doubt they ever really leave though

[crystal forum]

*stryker

it's a last name

so yeah wheeled chimera. i think that would fit a snow theme very well

soft wheels are very good for snow

[celest dome]

Weren't they reformed into the Old 100

[plush mason]

also i noticed those wheeled chimera only had 6 wheels after i said that kek

[arctic talon]

Old 100 are only regiments who came from terra

The Solar auxilia had its roots in the Saturians

Before the culture spread out

[plush mason]

so the Saturians still exist in 40k? thats impressive

[arctic talon]

They survived the heresy

[crystal forum]

the fun thing about the chimera is it looks like every first generation IFV that has ever existed

[arctic talon]

And they’re still an independentish shipbuilding and industrial base

[plush mason]

classic 40k

and yeah the tracked chimera is literally just the old soviet IFV

[arctic talon]

The plastic Solar auxilia minis ironically might be one of the cheapest ways to build a guard army

[crystal forum]

if only modern GW understood that astra militarum shouldnt be pure WW2

[arctic talon]

I mean we got krieg stuff

And the rough riders again

[plush mason]

they arent. they are a mix of ww1 ww2 and cold war

[arctic talon]

This next wave of guard releases is most likely krieg related

Bcs of the rumor engine

[crystal forum]

there's very little cold war elements in the major astra militarum regiments

[plush mason]

still expect to see a hussar version of them at some point if that doesnt already exist lol

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Guard def leans way more into WW1/2

Except for catachans

Who are just Rambo

[plush mason]

aka Nam

which is cold war

and as i said the chimera is a cold war classic

[crystal forum]

like the chimera is straight up early cold war which i find really cool

[queen laurel]

i want models for Athonian Tunnel rats as a kill team

[arctic talon]

4th guard killteam

💀

[crystal forum]

GW "recently" added the rogal dorn which is so WW2 that it hurts

[normal light]

WE NEED MORE

MORE GUARDSMAN

RENEGADE GUARD

[arctic talon]

Nids, death guard, world eaters and custodes crying in a corner lol

[normal light]

Not Chaos one

[arctic talon]

For killteam

[plush mason]

does Krieg use undermining tactics?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[celest dome]

I just want a new Admech kill team

[arctic talon]

That’s what the engineers are trained to do

[normal light]

all Siege regiments do that

[crystal forum]

like literally?

because they dig tunnels

[arctic talon]

I want the dkok engineer shotgun

The revolver shotgun

[plush mason]

yes. as in tunneling under enemy lines and planting giant ass bombs under them

[arctic talon]

Yes

[crystal forum]

figuratively, they're the gas mask regiment. guess what their favorite weapon is

[celest dome]

There is even a vehicle for it

[arctic talon]

Rifle

[plush mason]

their lasguns

[crystal forum]

gas gas gas

[arctic talon]

Lol

Also dkok engineers have a gun that sends a charge that digs towards the enemy

And then digs up and explodes lol

[plush mason]

its pure cool factor and shoulnt work. which is what makes it perfect

[arctic talon]

Mole launchers funny as shit

[celest dome]

Hades breaching Drill

[arctic talon]

Looks like a grenade launcher vaguely lol

[celest dome]

Wait those are Mole launcher ?

[arctic talon]

No

[celest dome]

I though they wer shotguns

[arctic talon]

Those are shotguns

This is the mole launcher

[plush mason]

unironically i can see the DKOK using a giant TBM on some fronts

[celest dome]

Revolving rifles did exist

[plush mason]

and they sucked

[rose thorn]

im a sucker for revolver rifles

my faovrite gimmick is 'oka but what if pistol big'

[celest dome]

They did suck during the time where Revolver were king, when cased ammo were rife they weren't bad

[arctic talon]

Warframe has a really fucked up looking revolver rifle lol

Look at this abomination

It’s hilarious

[queen laurel]

I almost thought that is a double barrel shotgun

[arctic talon]

It’s got that vibe

[plush mason]

the revolver rifle had massive problems chief among them the tendance to bleed gun powder between the cylinder chambers which often lead to all of the rounds going off once one round was fired

[arctic talon]

Mmmm shrapnel

[plush mason]

add that to the fact it had less rounds and lower rate of fire than the leaver action rifle that came out just a little bit later and the gun became a deadend

[crystal forum]

is there a regiment that has modern gear

[plush mason]

is that whole thing in the middle the cylinder?

[crystal forum]

like i know kasrkin have that gulf war vibe but they're an exception to cadians

[arctic talon]

Yes the whole thing in the middle spins

This is the place where the bullets go in

I love how weird and fucked up warframes guns are

[crystal forum]

elysians feel more modern than cadians but i still feel like they're designed around WW2 paratroopers

[celest dome]

The Harakoni Warhawks?

[arctic talon]

Harkoni warhawks had a gulf war look

In the like small bits of art

[plush mason]

2 million years in the future means DE can go all out on the crazy

[arctic talon]

Also the whole style over substance stuff

The orokin had going on lol

[plush mason]

ye

[queen laurel]

Some of them are straight up out of mega man

A gun that shoots black holes a gun that shoots leaves

Absolutely hilarious

[plush mason]

nothing like inlaying your bones with gold to show how rich you are

[crystal forum]

huh

[arctic talon]

Continuity lore is creepy lol

DE really cooked with it

The whole orokin kidnapping children thing to sell to each other

[crystal forum]

yeah

[celest dome]

I feel like there was one based on the French foreign legion but I forgot their name

[plush mason]

they still exist irl btw

[celest dome]

The French Foreing legion ?

[plush mason]

yup

[celest dome]

Obv

[crystal forum]

yeah

[celest dome]

It's why I mentioned them when speaking about modern troops

[plush mason]

wouldnt they just use standard NATO equipment?

honestly tho the problem with "modern" in a wargame like 40k is the closest you are gona find is gulf war

[plush mason]

and largely first at that

[crystal forum]

depends what you consider modern

[warm notch]

Zola was spared? It’s so Joever

[crystal forum]

i'm thinking of slapping some ERA on a wheeled chimera and that alone would make it look like any number of modern IFV's used by countries with small military budgets

that's the great thing about modern shit, you can mix so much stuff together

that's what i'm going to do for my valhallan chimeras

[plush mason]

que the ERA meme dudes

[crystal forum]

dont even get me started on that

nothing makes me act up quite like seing antiquated combat equipment being updated with modern technology

[plush mason]

that unironically makes up a big part of of a lot of modern miltiaries

hell even America's

because why make something completely new when its easier faster and cheaper to just update what you have?

[crystal forum]

america is almost the only exception

[plush mason]

i would kill for something like this for the IG vehicles

[crystal forum]

compared to other countries america loves to throw away old stuff

especially when you consider the size of their military

[plush mason]

we still have a lot of old stuff and the navy loves to mothball ships on the off chance they might be needed at some point

[arctic talon]

MIC Moment

[crystal forum]

ships are a bit different. i think the USN doesnt sell them anymore because they're so incredibly high tech sometimes

but like after WW2 a shit ton of ships were scrapped

[plush mason]

yeah because they wherent worth the cost to mothball

[crystal forum]

and USN ships are constantly evolving

the cost of making new supercarriers alone is like several country's military budgets combined

[plush mason]

yeah

the Ford class cost a shit ton

and took forever to finish but thats normal when you are using all new tech

[crystal forum]

that and mismanagement

[plush mason]

ye

[summer mural]

does terra no longer have oceans

[crystal forum]

nope

[plush mason]

nope

[crystal forum]

that's explicitly stated

[plush mason]

they boiled away long ago

before the unification wars even

Terra looked like Mad Max's world for a long time

techno-barbarians racing across the sands of a dying world fighting over what little scrap they could find

[crystal forum]

btw

the stygian version of the vanquisher leman russ is funny

[plush mason]

why?

[crystal forum]

this is how two forge worlds achieve better penetration with their vanquisher

the stygies version is literally just APFSDS

which implies that normal leman russes just shoot solid shot shells lol

[plush mason]

i wouldnt doubt it

[wet sandal]

No it doesn't

I mean it doesnt imply that, not that it doesn't do that

[crystal forum]

if APFSDS is considered superior for anti tank than the normal battle cannon then i dont see why not

[wet sandal]

We can guess that it doesn't shoot subcaliber / DS shells normally, but it could shoot cumulative shells for example

[crystal forum]

it's just funny because it's not like it's super advanced technology

[plush mason]

ye thats a core part of 40k stuff

most of the tech isnt that advanced hell some of it is even behind what we have rn

mixed in with some super high tech shit like gravity guns

[crystal forum]

leman russes do have advanced tech though. that's what i find funny, like it's a WW2 tank adapted to the 40th millenium

[plush mason]

ofc

as i said its all mixed

[crystal forum]

like plasteel is still supposed to be this incredibly advanced material that we have no equivalent

[plush mason]

ye

[crystal forum]

it's what i love about the astra militarum

GW had to go and make primaris marines more techy which sucks

grav tanks and shit

[crystal forum]

oh and it's not shown in the screenshot but the shell is literally described as having a discarding sabot

[rose thorn]

shit i might get Morvenn Vahl, her book comes with terot cards

[winter vessel]

Ah yes. Morvenn “Fuck Politics, going Crusading” Vahl

[rose thorn]

i like her in a very gay way

[storm jungle]

big lady

[winter vessel]

I respect her moxie. And having her being from my 2nd favorite order of Sororitas is a bonus.

[rose thorn]

shit you cant spam named sisters naymore can you

i was planning on just getting all the sisters character and hero hammer the shit out of sisters

[plush mason]

based motto

[amber ravine]

HI ALL ! I got a question for the lore keeper. I was watching the intro of the game today and something pop in my head when they closed the windows and prepared to get in warp mode.

If they use gellard shield to protect from most of the warp when going in. Why cant they build a gellard weapon or some dyson sphere aparatus (think alot of ship going around a planet to spread the field). so they inhibit the warp from getting stronger while they fight it planet side? I know for planet deemn not critical they go EXETERMINATUS DECREE and glass the world and its ok. but when they want to save the world, would it not be feseble to make wish bersion of black obelisk in a sens? thank you in advance. I want to know whats the lore reason keeping them to do that plz.

[rocky gale]

A Gellar field works by projecting a bubble of realspace around the ship to protect it inside the Warp, projecting a bubble of realspace around something in realspace probably wouldn't do much

[winter vessel]

And if that shit were to fail mid travel in the warp, the game would be over before we’d even get to Atoma Prime.

[rocky gale]

It basically comes down to there are different rules in the Warp and in Realspace and Daemons can only get into Realspace under certain circumstances, so when travelling through the Warp they project Realspace around themselves so the Daemons can't get in. But if you're in Realspace and the Daemons have already managed to make their way in then the Gellar field doesn't do much to stop them

It's like a torch, it's useful at nighttime because it lights up the darkness, but if you're standing outside during the day even if it's a bit cloudy it's not very useful.

[tulip brook]

they don't really know how it works, they just don't think about improving and finding new applications of tech. they are just glad it's there and it's working, most of the time

[rocky gale]

As for the Black Obelisks, the Imperium doesn't really know how they work and I think they only recently learned that they repelled the Warp during the 13th Black Crusade

[tulip brook]

that's true for all kinds of tech in 40k, it is maintained in complicated chants oils and stuff and they don't fuck with it

they found out about blackstones because abaddon was targetting them iirc

[plush mason]

iirc isnt it do with the blackstone that they are made of? the metal can be made to ether attract or repell the warp

[blazing temple]

Yeah but its not simple, its tied to Necron tech which is hilariously more advanced than what the "Tech"priests have access to.

[plush mason]

ye

[blazing temple]

I had a thought. What if the age of strife is a lie? What if the Men of Iron had figured out the danger of the warp and were trying to purge humanity of psychic potential entirely. Obviously Big E couldn't not allow this since once everyone else was gone they'd come for him. He sets off a vicious civil war against the Men of Iron purely to preserve himself and wrecks humanity. We know that the Necrons manage FTL travel and things like time and physics manipulation without souls so there is no reason for the empire to continue to use warp travel with the Men of Iron.

The theory could also work with it being chaos that orchestrated the war, having humanity as a food source is in chaos best interest after all

[rose thorn]

Only part I like about leman Russ is that he sided with Lorgar and helped Magnus convince the emperor to not wipe out the word bearers

Bullshit E let space wolves have religion but not word bearers but what ever

[fervent folio]

Didn't leman russ come to fight magnus on his homeworld though ?

[rose thorn]

Leman said the only thing he and Magnus have in common is their respect for lorgar

[thick cedar]

I always wondered, is Savant still technically insane? Or is their personality meant to fulfill the "Sanctioned Psyker" fantasy?

[soft thunder]

You could spin it in a way that made it convincing the Savant was insane, but I think they are the 'sanctioned psyker' fantasy

[celest dome]

What make you say that tehy are insane ?

[storm jungle]

They are very much sane.

[thick cedar]

I just assumed every psyker had some level of insanity

[storm jungle]

Seer is the only nutcase

Loner and Savant are pretty mid

[rocky gale]

I can never remember which is which, what's the one that sounds like Tali?

[celest dome]

Savant is the former Enforcer, the French accent on the woman

[rocky gale]

Loner is the one I'm thinking of

[storm jungle]

Oh my god you are right

she does have that wonky nerdy accent

[rocky gale]

Indeed, it's why I picked Loner voice, it was between her and the Frenchie, Tali always wins

[storm jungle]

🙏

[rose thorn]

trying not to go insane listening to the second space wolf episode of this podcast

Bjorn is the only bearable character lmao

[storm jungle]

more like wolfable character

[crisp heath]

What did they mean by this

[storm jungle]

(:

[rose thorn]

Fun fact, in Necromunda there is a specific situation you can play where you apply with another gang of the same alignment (except outcast can do who ever and palatine they have their own rules they need to follow I believe) and their fore genestaler cults can ally with chaos cults

I’m just stuck thinking about the genestealer cult and chaos cult barely being able to cooperate

‘Xenos’
‘Heretic’

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[rose thorn]

Also have you read genestealer cult’s rule names? They are so fucking great

Here comes the hour here comes the hero’ is a favorite

[rose thorn]

I wonder, what are some planets near baal that weren’t completely devastated, there’s. A genestealer cult near ultramar that worships old one eye and hates the ultramarines

I wonder if baal could have an equivalent

[versed ledge]

Meeeooow

😺

[crystal forum]

cat activities

my print failed

i have a crooked leman russ now

my tank barrel has issues

[rose thorn]

perfect for terrain on a model tbh

Also guess whos writing a paper on board games!!!

[thorn zenith]

True, pair that with a fucked up Leman chassis

[crystal forum]

now you have to learn about 40k tabletop

[rose thorn]

its about if external locust of control people enjoy luck more than internal locus of control in boardgames

[crystal forum]

i have no idea what these words mean

[rose thorn]

Locus of control is a physiological theory, the idea is that internal believes your own actions affect the world while external believes the world affects your own actions

My paper is a fictional proposal for an experiment to test this

[stiff crest]

make an ork tank out of it

big finkin'

[wintry scarab]

Anyone else feel like the argument of "space marines not wearing helmets doesn't make sense" is dumb? they give up all tactical camo just to represent their founding, use swords just to look the enemy in the eyes when they kill them and things along those lines. Exposing your most vulnerable spot is just a way of saying "try and kill me bitch" right? And that makes perfect sense in that context.

[celest dome]

Plenty of words to say it doesn't make sense

[queen laurel]

OK no plot armor who would survive a sniper rifle designed to put down a space marine directly aimed at their skull?

The one with the helmet or the one with the helmet?

[celest dome]

If a Sniper rifle is designed to put down SM then in most case it's made with the helmet in question, so both would have very slim chances of survival (But Helmet still would offer some protection)

Also helmets are more tailored for shrapnel

[queen laurel]

It still doesn't change the fact that wearing no helmet is not a good idea you may as well have it on because yes even though it might Pierce it at least it would at least somewhat cushion the blow

and hey a helmet has like very useful heads up display

tracking and stuff

Not wearing it and handicapping yourself with that disadvantage of not having information on the go is kind of dumb

[rocky gale]

and Space Marines are never dumb

[queen laurel]

well

that is quite debatable

[crystal forum]

tbh

power armour does very little to augment the already really powerful astartes

[storm jungle]

It does a lot

[crystal forum]

nah

[storm jungle]

yah

a naked astartes is mostly useless lol

[crystal forum]

compared to what? a chaos demon?

[storm jungle]

thats like saying whats a hazmat suit when you get nuked

[crystal forum]

they're still superhumans

[storm jungle]

yeah and being naked does jackshit

If the power-armor did "very little" it wouldn't have so many marks and upgrades

[crystal forum]

sorry i was going to say the armour doesnt do much to augmente their senses

like yeah it's armour

[storm jungle]

[crystal forum]

but i read so many times about how a main character's helmet does jack shit to filter toxins and stuff

and how their sense of smell is just linked to the helmet because it's so sensitive already

[storm jungle]

Space Marine equipment/armor is as strong and weak as the plot requires.

[crystal forum]

probably just writers trying to justify the character not having a helmet but i think it's ok

what's funny is when they assume we know they dont have a helmet

[tulip brook]

I'm confused, almost every time I read about it they spend considerable time explaining how armor augments them and how it is sealed against the flavor of that combat

[storm jungle]

like i said

strong/weak as the plot requires

[crystal forum]

that's odd. i remember distinctively in the first horus heresy books that the helmets links to an astarte's senses

and a couple of mentions here and there in other books

[storm jungle]

Inconsistency.

thats kinda normal

[crystal forum]

but space marine armour is incredibly inconsistent

yeah

[storm jungle]

yeah dont think on it too much lmao

[crystal forum]

it's bound to happen when there's like 400 space marine books

[rocky gale]

It's also the nature of plots that things rarely get brought up unless they're relevant and things are most likely to be relevant when they're exciting so you will have more story examples of them failing because that's a development that adds more tension as opposed to "everything worked fine and no one got hurt because the filtration system worked perfectly"

[storm jungle]

^

for example Scion sergeant berets were always just berets

now the latest kill-team says they are flak-proof

lmao

[rocky gale]

So it's less "They never do anything" and more "The story only talks about them when they fail"

[storm jungle]

that and just adding bullshit features as they go along

like how Marines can eat someones brain to learn info

[crystal forum]

eating a body to see its memories

[storm jungle]

yet they almost NEVER do this ability

until the plot requires it

[rocky gale]

Is there ever any book where the Space Marines actually shoot acid from their mouths, because I know that's a thing that they can apparently do, I've just never seen it.

[crystal forum]

i have said this before but this is worth re mentioning again: soul drinkers are supposed to have a higher ability to see memories from eating bodies and ben counter only uses this once

[storm jungle]

Yup lol

[storm jungle]

They do use this ability but your complaint shows literally how rare it is lol

the acid spit + brain eating is a very OP ability

shame all Marines got alzhiemers

[tulip brook]

Csm does it all the time and make fun of sm for not using a perfectly legit weapon

[crystal forum]

an ability they have that i often see mentioned is their implant that filters toxins

[storm jungle]

yeah thats more the author poking fun at it

[queen laurel]

The space wolves literally developed an alcohol strong enough to kill a human just to bypass that

Just to get themselves drunk

[tulip brook]

I read a few times about how ridiculous it is and sm refuses to use it even if they are capable.

So I think it's just narrative perspective

[crystal forum]

is there anything stronger than 100% ethanol

[tulip brook]

Well the point is getting drunk

[crystal forum]

i drank 95% scientific grade ethanol once

[tulip brook]

They use space drugs to get space drunk

[crystal forum]

imagine vodka except painful

that's the experience

[tulip brook]

Tasteless and more alcohol, legit comparison

[crystal forum]

well it literally has no taste

no smell either

but dont smell it

you'll fry your sense of smell

i couldn't smell for a month

[chrome tendon]

I just read the part of "Dark Imperium book" when the Emperor talks with Guilliman...
...Man, it was like a knife into my heart.

[wet sandal]

They add a poison made from a fenrisian herb that shuts down the organ that prevents drunkenness

[crystal forum]

that's genius actually holy shit

an author actually explaining how something works in the astartes anatomy

[wet sandal]

it was either william king or lee lightner

deathworlds be like: our plants give astartes temporary organ failure

catachan be like: our plants give astartes permanent organ failure (by eating them )

[rigid dune]

Why does all the enemy captains have swedish names? Is that lore accurate or is it just a "lol swedish devs" things?

[crystal forum]

probably the latter

[storm jungle]

• Sounds cool
• Fatshark is Swedish

[celest dome]

They do ?

[storm jungle]

Yeah its majorily swedish

[celest dome]

Never noticed

[storm jungle]

most swedish names are extremely fantasy-esque so thats prob why

ala Magnus

lol

[fierce pendant]

beware traitor captain Knut Jerker

[rocky gale]

The 2nd Primarch finally revealed

[storm jungle]