40k-lore-chat

[rose thorn]

Yeee,

Which one of you is the gw spy please steal this idea

[queen laurel]

going back to kit bashing, I've seen some of the coolest things because of that

Some of the coolest kit bashes I've seen in the Internet

[rose thorn]

What I see is people buy a kit and then a side of boyz and slap left over weapons on the boyz

So you can baiscally double any unit

[queen laurel]

My favorite though would be this

a Kraken eater mega Gargant absolutely going to town on a Kharibdyss

[summer mural]

whats an assault bolter

did cawl really just make a handheld heavy bolter

[queen laurel]

It's basically a ******* storm bolter

[summer mural]

storm bolters are usually mounted

[queen laurel]

Or you know held by terminators

[summer mural]

assault bolter sounds like a better weapon in every way

[queen laurel]

Particularly ballsy humans

[summer mural]

I mean, they are usually mounted, but of course, even yarrick has a handheld storm bolter

[summer mural]

dont terminators have them wrist mounted

[queen laurel]

they hold them

But it really doesn't matter because Yarrick one handed one

As long as you have the brute strength and the ballsiness you can hold one

[summer mural]

yeah, as I mentioned

primaris weapons are cooler looking

the bolt rifle seems like it should be standardized over the bolter

[crystal forum]

i disagree

i like the bolter and not for nostalgia's sake

[hallow plover]

You can't improve upon divine perfection

[crystal forum]

the bolter is distinct. its stubbiness goes along with the entire idea of a space marine imo

something small yet incredibly powerful

primaris bolt carbines and bolt rifles make space marines look too normal. they shouldn't look like a conventional fighting force

[tulip brook]

they are still stubby and bigger than lasrifles 🤷

iirc primaris bolt pistol is roughly the same size as bolter

[spring cairn]

I swear I killed a dreg bruiser and as he died he whispered "worth it"

I'm not going insane

[storm jungle]

They do say some shit like

"TAKE ME NURGLE"

or just thanking him

[potent karma]

I find it sometimes ironic that the Black Templars hate the Inquisition...

[storm jungle]

they hate them because nobody likes feds

[versed ledge]

What's recoil and weight

[summer mural]

they hate them because the black templars arent really the listening type

they're pretty damn decent at killing though

especially good at killing primaris marines

[arctic talon]

💀

[versed ledge]

So a bunch of angsty and angry spessh mahreens sent the Imperium to the mess it is today. Would the Imperium be better off without the Marines?

[spring cairn]

everyone hates when people poke around in your buisness, especially when you know you're not doing very nice things

[rocky gale]

Wouldn't really be an Imperium without Space Marines

So yea things would probably be better

[summer mural]

well

great crusade wouldnt have really happened without dem marines

[spring cairn]

It's not space marines you need to remove from the equation it's Jhon Emperor himself

[storm jungle]

It would have honestly.

the original planet was to have custodians be as generals leading massive armies

marines just do planetary genocide faster lol

[spring cairn]

Marine-less alt 40k were the Solar Auxilia does everything, just a dream alas

[summer mural]

well sure, but like, if I was emprah at that time and I was making custodes, Im definitely making marines too

also, what exactly is the solar auxilia

are they just guardsmen who defend the solar segmentum

[rocky gale]

They were the OG Guard

[spring cairn]

Guard precursor

with better gear

[celest dome]

Lord Solar Macharius led a host that was mostly devoid of SM iirc

[summer mural]

are they tempestus scion levels of hoomie elite

[versed ledge]

True, but you got a bunch normal yahoos who ferried these canned jarheads through space, also maintain their no doubt priceless equipment

[spring cairn]

not really elite like scions just very well equipped compared to 40k guardsmen

[summer mural]

nothing in the imperium would happen without those yahoos, in any era

[spring cairn]

maybe as well equipped as scions if not more

[versed ledge]

Are they better than the current disposal shirt wearing bullet sponges?

[spring cairn]

they had acess to volkite weaponry

and lot's of cool stuff

you've already seen artwork of them I think there's like 2

[versed ledge]

Wait for real?

[spring cairn]

basically this

they look like people wearing diving suits

from the 1800

[celest dome]

Solar Auxilia were designed from a time that Mankind had no SM, those were their anwser's to the darkness of the galaxy

[summer mural]

apparently their officers and elites had archaeotech pistols

[rocky gale]

The damn Solar Auxilia Sentinel always makes me smile

It's just a goofy little guy

[spring cairn]

a goofy little guy with MLM's and a gatling lascanon or mulitlas i assume

[summer mural]

are solar auxilia still around

[spring cairn]

no

[summer mural]

sadge

lucifer blacks are still around

working as part time custodes

[rocky gale]

Yoooo Corpse Grinder Cult are getting new models, including some vehicles apparently

[celest dome]

They were mostly re-orginised as IG, but they still for the most part just protect the Solax system, unless commanded by Custodes on exactions strikes

[spring cairn]

do we have minis for them

[celest dome]

No

[spring cairn]

i HATE gw

[celest dome]

When the question about a cool unit is "does it have a model" the 1st question to ask is whether they are SM

[spring cairn]

IG weapon teams have models

[summer mural]

thats because they use sm weapons

[spring cairn]

and they are the coolest units in 40k

[arctic talon]

The old 100 in general are cool but they never got minis lol

Because lore wise they haven’t left terra since the heresy

[green loom]

They deployed on terra recently too right?

And got torn to pieces

[normal light]

By whom?

[green loom]

Take your pick

[arctic talon]

They got slaughtered fighting back the khornate invasion yeah

They did great

[normal light]

Chaos?

[arctic talon]

As far as guard regiments would do

Regarding 8 of khornes strongest blood thirsters showing up

With a massive fucking army

[green loom]

Did they fight the stealer cults?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[normal light]

huh?

[arctic talon]

That’s what they’re currently involved in

[normal light]

We are talking about Custodes

or whom?

[arctic talon]

The old 100

[green loom]

The 100 guard regiments who guard the palace

[arctic talon]

Aka the unification war regiments

[normal light]

oh

[arctic talon]

Who now have the honor of guarding the palace

[normal light]

those ones

[spring cairn]

you reckon they still have the old Solar Auxilia gear

[green loom]

No because they aren't Solar Auxilia

[celest dome]

Wasn't their gear described to be like better Scion stuff ?

[spring cairn]

you don't have to be part of something to posses it's equipment

[dusk patrol]

As we’ve seen of the regiments which protect the palace they don’t seem to have gear like that

It’s not really specified but there’s no mention of power armor or anything like that

Probably carapace

Maybe hellguns

[storm jungle]

They are basically just "there" yeah

literally barely any lore lmao

[rose thorn]

Did- gulliman get taller?

[storm jungle]

The models just got better

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[storm jungle]

also man i forgot how generic the 30k guilliman model is HOLY shit

[celest dome]

If you told me it was just a "named SM" i would believe it

[rose thorn]

HH gulliman would be PERFECT for a primaris ultra marine character conversion

[storm jungle]

^

both of these statements are true lmao

its way too generic

[rose thorn]

Perfect Carto Sacarious

I spelt it very wrong

[storm jungle]

close enough

[celest dome]

Cato Sicarius, iirc

My ex loved that character, it's not my fault

[rose thorn]

Cat os car lust

I need to read an hh ultra marine book, since I’ll have a lot of ultra marine left overs and gulliman I might just make them

Plus it will annoy my partner (/lovingly)

Her favorite is the iron warriors

Oh they they wear the eagle anyway it’s perfect

If I scrape off the skull then bam

Note I’m doing the libators chapter who are a gulliman cult but I said that enough

[rose thorn]

Just started know no fear, the confusion on the word bearers new color scheme is so fuckinh funny

And he just immediately decides the most optimal way to kill him

[storm jungle]

Lmao great book choice

as much as I shit on 30k, Know No Fear is a fucking MASTERPIECE

one of the best amidst a pile of junk

[rose thorn]

Thank you 40k discord

[storm jungle]

[rose thorn]

ULTRA MARINES HAVE VIKINGS?!

[rocky gale]

Na it's more Roman stuff

[rose thorn]

Cool model tho

[rocky gale]

Their axes are supposed to be represent the Fasces, which were a Roman symbol of authority and governance etc. is also the origin for the term Fascism.

[rose thorn]

That’s extremely funny

[rocky gale]

And the Suzerain in their name means like "Feudal overlord"

and yee cool models, just wish it wasn't FW

[rose thorn]

balls of Anadmanite is officially said in a warhammer book

I spelt it wrong but wha ever

[brisk vine]

Adamantine?

[rose thorn]

Yea

Hh ultra marines are great lmao

They treat being a space marine like an office job and expect to retire

[snow fern]

It's sad really, 30k marines actually expected to have a life beyond war

Like before his fall Fulgrim taught his marines art and music

[rose thorn]

Hey uh, there’s ultra marine traitor rules, idk if every legion has loyal and traitor stuff but I was wondering what would the traitor rules be referring to?

For ultra marine specifically

[green loom]

Everyone in 30k has traitor rules afaik

[rose thorn]

Oh okay

Pride’s Dark Power is a baller rule name btw

I know of traitor Raven gaurd and white scars

With in hh

Da is an obv

[potent karma]

What if Sly Marbo is actually a Custodian?

[storm jungle]

What if I shoot you with my nerf gun

[inland sigil]

[rose thorn]

Omfg, I read through Goon hammers overlook of the hh libras

Alpha legion only had 1 Allegiance locked warlord trait

And it’s fucking loyaltist only

That’s so dumb it’s perfect

Also ultramarines and imperial fists traitor traits are basically internal disagreements, ultramarines are like ‘my command greater than yours fuck off’ and the imperial fists being so stubborn they refuse to cooperate

Leading to infighting

The white scar one is cool because it’s in a book

It’s literally called ‘the forgotten legion’

And lore wise you bring a mix of white scars and sons of horus

[arctic talon]

Alpha legion has a very cool liber

[wicked lion]

aight REAL quick

movies marvel gets bodied by 40k
comics marvel dumpsters 40k

agreed?

same thing with dc

[grave sparrow]

I feel like once you throw superman in the mix shit'll get fucky.

Like I doubt psykers can really do much to him. They'd have to find kryptonite. Dude could just single handedly kill entire fleets by himself too.

[wicked lion]

even comics superman is noteably not great against magic

like it doesmt KILL him

[grave sparrow]

I think once he realizes that "oh, if they know where I'm at I could be effected"

and then he just lives in the sun for a week, goes mach jesus, and just flies through planets destroying them at the cyclic rate

[wicked lion]

but being profiicient and powerful with magic multiplies your chances of beating superman by about x3

[queen laurel]

with comic marvel you need to limit what they can bring to allow 40k to win

because

[wicked lion]

yeah thats what im saying

[queen laurel]

shit get's wild

[wicked lion]

marvel and dc comics are DUMB

the powerscaling is WILD

way dumber than 40k

but MOVIE dc and marvel?

meh

[green loom]

Power scaling is made up

Anything can kill anything

[rose thorn]

what does being a conspiracy theorist in 40k look liek

[green loom]

Ever see a shallow grave

[crystal forum]

the average cultist thinks that knowing what chaos is means they have some sort of secret knowledge that the average imperial stan doesn't know about. They act like they're free but they're still being controlled by whatever dark god they turned to

[rose thorn]

hey, some of them get picked up inquistiors

[green loom]

Ok but actually

[crystal forum]

this is literally an IRL conspiracy theorist

[green loom]

So imagine a conspiracy theorist irl right

But the "evil insidious other" is a normal thought

[rose thorn]

lma o

[crystal forum]

go look at any online group of conspiracy theorists. they all have that smug attitude that 40k cultists do

the idea of "i know the truth while you don't"

[arctic talon]

LOL

[sacred ginkgo]

Coincedence?

I think not, all consipiracy theorists are actually followers of the Ruinous Powers and should be purged with fire and sword

[plush mason]

lol

[summer mural]

wait

the tau empire is smaller than ultramar?

[shell barn]

So. Why would someone turn to Nurgle in most cases compared to others? I don’t entirely get it

[radiant lance]

Yeah the Tau are tiny

[radiant lance]

Nurgle is actually really wholesome to their followers and are really familial. Nurgle also embodies strength through surviving through challenges

Which is why nurgle followers are tanky as shit

If actual space cancer AIDS isn't going to kill you, nothing will

Also, nurgle represents two things:
Decay
and regrowth

[tulip brook]

Getting infected, apathy, depression, already being sick and living in horrible environments and just seeking relief...

[radiant lance]

If you think everything is decayed already to ruin, all you can do now is regrow

[sacred ginkgo]

Because the extreme pain and dysfunction caused by disease is so great that you reach out to anything that you can find and find Him

and he takes all of that away

[tulip brook]

He offers community and longevity in places you will live a short miserable and lonely life

[radiant lance]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/15ic0p1/multiple_sources_the_nature_of_the_chaos_gods/

Life springs from rot. Untold numbers of bacteria, viruses, insects and other carrion-feeders thrive on the decay of the living. From the wake of every plague rise new generations, pox-scarred perhaps, but also stronger than those that came before. Regeneration comes from decay, just as hope is born of despair, the greatest inspiration coming in the darkest moments; in times of crisis, mortals are truly tested and driven to excel.

The citizens of the Imperium know full well that their lives will one day end, and that many of their number will live with disease or other torments in the meantime, yet they drive this knowledge deep into the corners of their minds and bury it with ceaseless activity. Nurgle is partially embodied by that knowledge and the unconscious response to it. He is the hidden fear of disease and decay, the gnawing fact of mortality, and the power of defiance that it generates.```

Chaos gods embody both negative and positive traits

[sacred ginkgo]

After tortuing you a bit

[tulip brook]

That comes with the territory. All chaos gods are super evil and just deceiving followers for their means

[sacred ginkgo]

Yep

Won't stop me from collecting Death Guard though

[tulip brook]

It's basically trading short term suffering for eternal torture you won't feel it much

[sacred ginkgo]

Chaos fuckery!

WHOOOO

[tulip brook]

DG has the best line of minis from already good csm line

[sacred ginkgo]

It started with somebody getting my Typhus so I just said F it

[radiant lance]

Nurgle is despair/companionship for the record for actually serious discussion

The chaos gods are dual faceted

[sacred ginkgo]

They are

but

also super evil anyway

[radiant lance]

Probably a result of the grimdark setting tbh filling the warp with negative energy

The greater God is actually benevolent

[sacred ginkgo]

I know there is an explanation somewhere

[radiant lance]

There's just not a lot of positive emotions in this shithole

[tulip brook]

Forget duality and nuance in the setting. Everything is evil and chaos is big baddies. Their benevolent nature is just there to explain how they can gain followers

[radiant lance]

ok

[sacred ginkgo]

and its usually straight up lying or indirect consequences

we can't have nice things in the 42nd

[tulip brook]

It doesn't make much sense explaining how nurgle has so much following with saying it is god of death and decay but it is compelling when its followers are always happy and leaning on sharing the gifts

[sacred ginkgo]

"On Nurglemas we give the gift of Space AIDS to all the galaxy"

[versed ledge]

Do you guys think chaos factions have their own medical units?

[tulip brook]

Yes they have

Plague surgeon for dg, actual apothecaries for generic csm

[shadow plover]

https://vxtwitter.com/OculusImperia/status/1747314197719859350?t=MuydnDao8Kwsvs-Nj3bA6Q&s=19

Bless Oculus

[shell barn]

40k is just so fucked the other side is more apparent

So basically. I dunno how to word this proper. But Nurgle is for people who kind of give up?

[sacred ginkgo]

I almost feel like this is satire

They want the exact opposite of what the emperor is supposed and perfectly described what he is

Then I remember that this is the 40k community

And get really sad

[young pecan]

Rogue Trader ||Are there any alchemy experiments that yield anything other than the Anti-venom? Tried some combinations but not all of them, seems like that's it though||

[tulip brook]

Books: tyrant, manipulative, cold...
Community: Praise the god emperor!
It's as if the parody is becoming the reality

[sacred ginkgo]

Maybe there is actual chaos corruption in them or something, goodness know how much daemonic knowledge there is in them

[wet sandal]

The male urge to cut your guts open seven times while screaming "SEVEN! SEVEN!"

[wet sandal]

I have a mild cold but I'm sure that's not related

[storm jungle]

The chaos gods dont have positive traits.

thats just people coping and twisting information

[celest dome]

They did have some lore about that but it's not part of the current lore

[storm jungle]

^

the current codex outright says they are all evil lol

[celest dome]

What is evil though 🤷

[storm jungle]

skinning babies and killing innocent people

this isn't a philosophically deep subject

[celest dome]

Good to know

[storm jungle]

[rocky gale]

It's not evil if god says it's okay, so if the Gods tell you to do it then it can't be evil

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Looking at more people saying "the gods are good"

"I checked many sources older than me..... and made for Warhammer fantasy"

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

[green loom]

Even in fantasy where the "good" sides are real.... I mean

Just look at chaos factions lol????

[storm jungle]

gotta cope somehow

dont know why you cant be like actual based chaos fans who accept they are evil lmao

[celest dome]

My head cannon put them as themselves aren't bound by good and evil, like the Fey in old tales, but from our point of view, they are only evil

[queen laurel]

i swear to god i hear the chaos gods having positive traits again I will make morathi's way of sex life seems sane

How many ******* times is it for people to learn that the chaos gods in any way is not justifiable

[normal light]

Misinformation, I think

or just cope

[queen laurel]

I swear people will justify khorne's actions even though he has a champion called Karka the orphan decapitator

[celest dome]

Hey some people try to justify that the Imperium is right

[normal light]

yeah, but Imperium at least has image like "We are trying to be civil"

[summer mural]

nah

tau empire has a better image tbh

[normal light]

Chaos straight up says you either do bad thigns or yrah

slave pits and any other horrible stuff

[queen laurel]

man

what is wrong with people

[celest dome]

Everything ?

[normal light]

you mean?

[queen laurel]

and every passing day i have the urge to scream and beg God to burn down the world in a sea of fire

this planet is doing ain't no way we can salvage this shit

[celest dome]

There is little point to fatalism, there are still small lights in the darkness of the universe, you just have to look at them

[normal light]

they are not small, you just tend to ignore them

[queen laurel]

hard to look for light when people immediately throw shit at my eyes you know

People will be people unfortunately

[celest dome]

If you take a look at history, and though we are currently in a mounting turmoil, it's still one of the better ones

[normal light]

we eventually would have gotten in such turmoil, because history repeats itself

[earnest snow]

But but khorne embodies the warrior's honor!

[celest dome]

Just like Slaanesh embody love

[earnest snow]

Yes.

[radiant lance]

Just lots of it

[earnest snow]

It's just chaos be like: "that's crazy guys but you been bad so we are bad."

And well

Here we are

The actions of our consequences

[radiant lance]

I just thought that there was some positive traits of the chaos gods are severely overshadowed with their negative traits

Nurgle does promote companionship

"papa nurgle loves you" and all thet

[earnest snow]

That is true because we been bad so they're bad. Bad to the bone kinda bad

So bad you can't undo it and gotta seal it away

GW might pull a metaphor outta that ig

[radiant lance]

And great unclean ones yelling words of praise and encouragement to their underlings

[earnest snow]

Nurglings farting should be encouraged

[radiant lance]

I'm not saying that "wow the chaos gods are great;" I'm just saying that an initial good intention paves the road to hell

[earnest snow]

Well

The universe tried then it failed

And continued to fail

...repeatedly by every sentient species >.>

[radiant lance]

Grimdark future where everything is shit and edgy. I'm just curious what the chaos gods would be like without all the negative emotions everywhere

Or if they would exist

[earnest snow]

Be very different

Slaanesh wouldn't have caused the eye of terror

Cadia would still be standing

Abandon would have a good hairstyle

A lotta neat things ig

[radiant lance]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/lt3l4n/chaos_gods_positive_emotions/#:~:text=When the topic of the,and Slannesh is self-improvement.

Khorne does not exist because people worship it as a god of blood and war; Khorne exists because sentient creatures feel anger and rage, and want to destroy and kill and see their enemies broken.
I think trying to see your enemy lose isn't exactly inherently evil if you yourself believe to be good. It's just that taking it to extremes, which chaos is a caricature of, is the massive issue as the chaos gods make you a slave to your emotions

[earnest snow]

It's true the warp is a reflection of the universe as a whole both past and present (future is as well but that's time shenanigans)

[radiant lance]

I mean there is hope exhibited by species and whatnot, and it flows somewhere in the warp

[earnest snow]

Worship helps but it starts from what we do

And who we are etc etc

Ideally it flows to non chaos entities that GW ignores

[radiant lance]

The greater good is a good example, but that's particularly a focused collective belief

And not just a really abstract vague emotion like "hope"

[earnest snow]

The greater good is sadly corrupted by the ethereals and their lovely manipulations. There is hope in the farsight enclaves at least

Them being the tau but not manipulated

[spring cairn]

Being under Etheral control is still better than p much anything you'll get in 40k

[versed ledge]

Yes, I wholly agree

For the Tau'va and the Ethereals

[earnest snow]

Nah man.

Gotta live it on some obscure feudal world

Be ignorant of everything and be confused when weird looking humans come down from the heavens because your lord committed treason against God himself

[rocky gale]

Now here's the dream:

Be born on Imperial World,
Doctors realise one foot is slightly larger than the other at birth,
Be thrown into the Incinerator.

[tulip brook]

Come on, they're not that cruel. They won't throw you to incinerator just because you have a short leg. They will throw you because you can't reach your production quota

[warm notch]

Be born with an extra finger

Into the baby crusher machine you go

[storm jungle]

Its like real life

[queen laurel]

let me just buy the candle to get used to the smell real quick

[storm jungle]

[rocky gale]

Bro "The scent of Expansion"

[spring cairn]

Look up tau inflation to learn more

[storm jungle]

no just look up "inflation"

[rocky gale]

It just makes me think about the people who're apparently able to smell when someone gets an erection

[warm notch]

Excuse me what

[queen laurel]

homies I'm going to add that to the great book of out of pockets for that one

[rocky gale]

The mind works in mysterious ways

[celest dome]

I won't be tricked into learning financial skills

[radiant lance]

Usually when I do, I don't get anything interesting

Just economics or some shit

Don't look up "tau flavor,"

[warm notch]

The Emperor of Mankind actually has 621 sons. To learn more, look up “e621”

[versed ledge]

My boy decides to drop a nuke and chat just ups and runs

[rocky gale]

Monosodium glutamate?

[warm notch]

e621.net*

[rocky gale]

[versed ledge]

I heard every Slaanesh worshippers follows a 34th rule in their text. Search up rule34 Slaanesh to learn more

[shell mason]

Lock this guy up

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-strangle-strangler-green-screen-jerma985-gif-19817690

[storm jungle]

They warned you.

[brisk agate]

Like the whole progress at any cost is a pretty terrible mentality

[storm jungle]

I mean 40k has a very simple message

Dont be a racist fascist.

its not a hard thing to like... adhere to

[gleaming mantle]

I thought the message was to bolter pauldron your bolter?

With successively larger bolters?

[spring cairn]

The message is that if you wear gold you're in charge

[storm jungle]

No thats been the rule SINCE mankind started

[crisp heath]

I mean if that's the only message you get anywhere, you desperatly need help not being a racist facist apparently.

[storm jungle]

Its a pretty easy thing to do.

The Imperium is bad.

[crisp heath]

Everybody bad

There's no good

[storm jungle]

GW has made two statements on the matter.

[crisp heath]

That's the point

[storm jungle]

the Imperium is terrible

it should not be aspired to

[crisp heath]

Again, everything is terrible.

That's the point

It's Grimdark.

[brisk agate]

No the point is not to be that

[storm jungle]

Yes. And yet your defense of the Imperium goes against pretty much what every author in the setting has established

[gleaming mantle]

I actually thought the voxmeat cake were pretty nice...

[brisk agate]

The setting is grim dark but thr stories we focus on are hero's fighting against evils

[crisp heath]

I mean it technically is but you're not going to prevent it by just doing the same thing and switching the side which you're arguing on.

[storm jungle]

What side?

Im just telling the facts the company that made the setting said.

[brisk agate]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

My defense of the Imperium is that conquering assholes actually have an upside.

[storm jungle]

It doesn't.

Imperialism is bad.

[brisk agate]

There is no upside

[storm jungle]

^

You expect people that you conquer to be grateful to you?

[crisp heath]

Yeah see y'all are blind

[gleaming mantle]

The upside is the millions of humans who die so that you can keep Kergus, the planet you conquered from another human nation

[brisk agate]

The 40th mellenium is literally the dark age for mankind

[gleaming mantle]

By sending billions of humans through the warp

[crisp heath]

You're litterally telling me imperialism is bad on technology brought to you by imperialism.

[storm jungle]

I mean no?

Electricity wasnt invented by imperialism

nor food

[brisk agate]

I mean they both can be bad

[crisp heath]

When did I say food or electricity?

I meant computers.

[brisk agate]

Progress made by imperialism is still terrible

[crisp heath]

Like c'mon man

[brisk agate]

Computers weren't made by imperialism

[crisp heath]

What do you mean both?

What both?

[brisk agate]

Progress by imperialism is bad

It harms

[crisp heath]

No but a significant amount of the technology that goes into computers was made by imperialistic countries

Yeah no shit it harms

Unfortunately that's a flip of the world that can't be taken back.

We'll never see what cool shit the wiped out cultures could've invented.

Instead we're stuck with like 90% of the planet having a history associated by Euro expansionist.

But at the end of the day.

[storm jungle]

And thats by Imperialism is bad.

[crisp heath]

The distribution of medicine and food

[storm jungle]

You are literally defeating your own topic right now.

[crisp heath]

Imperialism makes that more possible.

[storm jungle]

ıt really doesn't.

[brisk agate]

I mean like

[crisp heath]

Yeah culture sucks but at least the things you need to survive are made easier with roads.

[near wasp]

Why is it always some arguement here

[crisp heath]

And trains.

[brisk agate]

Roads

Were made before

Like foot paths

Commonly walked by people

[gleaming mantle]

Gork or Mork?

[brisk agate]

Would later become "roads"

Because it was a commonly traveled area

[spring cairn]

Gorkamorka

[brisk agate]

Imperialism has nothing to do with that

[gleaming mantle]

DIGGANOBZ

[crisp heath]

Oh yeah you're right let me go outside and drive on the foot path to work.

[storm jungle]

Either way IRL politics like this really have no place here so unless you want to switch to 40k you can probably stop there.

[spring cairn]

We don't talk about them no more

[brisk agate]

Wait wait

[crisp heath]

In the city that would've somehow developed through tribal society.

[gleaming mantle]

😢 i will always remember you, digganobz

[brisk agate]

You know cars are a byproduct of capitalism, we have no walkable cities because of lobbyists

[near wasp]

There walkible if your brave

[spring cairn]

mmmh seems like an NA skill issue

[gleaming mantle]

what is going on i thought we were discussing if the imperium was a naughty boy or not

[storm jungle]

Beats me tbh. I gave my warning.

[crisp heath]

I mean shit man I live in a city, it's perfectly walkable.

[brisk agate]

This is in stark contract to places like in Europe that didn't have these lobbying bodies so you can walk in a city without needing to have a car to actually function

[vale onyx]

dude wtf is your mission the mods asked you several times to not glorify that shit and stop several times. think what you want but this is the wrong server for it

[brisk agate]

This is getting weird

[crisp heath]

I feel like I'm arguing with people who have no concept of reality.

And it really sucks :/

[pine wedge]

Same

[crisp heath]

You're among them my guy

[brisk agate]

????

[grave sparrow]

[gleaming mantle]

yeah i blame cegorach, my dude is great at making you coocoo banbans

[brisk agate]

[crisp heath]

Thinking technology magically spawned into existence.

[vale onyx]

you really lost a sense of reality

[summer mural]

[brisk agate]

Oh my goddd

Nooo

[pine wedge]

Among us?

[storm jungle]

Why are you people like this

[near wasp]

Sus

[brisk agate]

Please bionic

You'll be alright

[storm jungle]

My response to this information:

[jagged citrus]

imperiums greatest warrior

[brisk agate]

https://tenor.com/view/kiera-katsura-beestation-ss13-kiera-katsura-gif-25417004

[crisp heath]

The thing that bothers me is you guys don't have a sizeable expectation of reality either :/

[gleaming mantle]

can we get back on topic senore

[brisk agate]

No I know

What you mean

[near wasp]

Me and you are gonna throw hands

[crisp heath]

Just a lot of pacifist who thinks the worlds will just congeal into some perfect form.

[summer mural]

r u ok

[brisk agate]

The progress we made is on the bones of a million people that had lived here in the past

[storm jungle]

Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

[pine wedge]

Will you do the honours? @storm jungle

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/expiration-date-i-didnt-say-that-medic-i-didnt-zay-zat-gif-26267722

[storm jungle]

Of course 👍

[vale onyx]

[storm jungle]

What a fucking nutjob LMAO

[grave sparrow]

I love doomers

[pine wedge]

I love it when they go mask off. They can never help themselves

[brisk agate]

That aint doomer mentality

[grave sparrow]

Is it not? I thought that was pretty textbook doomer lol

[storm jungle]

I lost it at him calling us "pacifists", sorry we dont approve of societal massacres i guess 💀

[rocky gale]

Been a while since I've seen the classic "You hate capitalism yet have a phone" argument but in a sligthly different format

[storm jungle]

this is like those people who say Rome made everything

[spring cairn]

World sucks because people got brainwashed into thinking nothing can change

like that dimwit

[storm jungle]

^

The world has more to it than just wallowing in misery

life sucks sure but it can be better

[pine wedge]

It's white man's burden, bringing enlightenment to savages stuff, just worded slightly less explicitly

Anyway show's over, back to regularly scheduled programming folks

[grave sparrow]

I mean once you get off the news and some certain cesspool social media platforms, about 90% of the percieved problems in life vanish pretty quick lol

[spring cairn]

Let's discuss why the Imperium is actually good

[versed elbow]

who would win Gork or Mork?

[gleaming mantle]

corpse starch

no further argument needed, corpse starch has all the nutrients you need

namely none: praise the emperor

[spring cairn]

true

faith is the only sustenance

if the God emperor of mankind isn't a god, then why can The Zealot Darktide™️ literally pray the enemies of the Imperium away ?

[pine wedge]

@storm jungle first thing I see when I open twitter rn

[storm jungle]

lmfao

christ

[pine wedge]

Goddamn algorithm is getting too good

[gleaming mantle]

i believe it is the warp overtaking me, it is a good pain

[spring cairn]

If a Kroot eats a preacher will he defect to the Ecclesiarchy ?

[pine wedge]

I would pay to read that book

[spring cairn]

and if yes, would you listen to his sermons

[gleaming mantle]

yes

[rocky gale]

My issue with the Imperium is the whole "Suffering brings salvation" thing because it makes me think that their socks are probably deliberately made out of itchy or scratchy materials to make them purposefully uncomfortable and I can't be dealing with that nonsense.

[near wasp]

You have to pay to read most books

[summer mural]

also, if tyranids eat all the blood angels, are they gonna get visions of sanguinius getting beaten to death with horus's giant power club

[pine wedge]

But you see. I don't buy, or read, most books

[spring cairn]

Loose cannon complains that his uniform itches in-game and cutthroat replies that it's a good thing because it'll keep him alert

of course it's not to be taken literally

but it's 40k so you could also take it literally

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/what-do-you-mean-by-that-druski-gif-20560325

[pine wedge]

I mean what it says on the tin

[gleaming mantle]

there's a tin?
rations?

[near wasp]

Hmmmm rations

[rocky gale]

Yea the whole deliberately uncomfortable clothes thing with itching etc was a thing for certain Christian denominations historically it was called a Cilice, so it makes sense it would be a thing in the Imperium

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/wtf-is-this-thomasvanhaecht-vubdiscord-walking-in-on-the-wrong-thing-walking-in-gif-21572821

Crap I missed the fun part

[warm notch]

Same

The best part about the Imperium is how they make an orphan crushing machine and kill everyone who questions why there’s an orphan crushing machine in the first place

They’re the good guys I swear

[snow fern]

The imperium sure does love its planetary scale orphan crushers.

[crystal forum]

the orphan crusher is objectively necessary because an in-universe character said so

[snow fern]

As the emperor commands

[gleaming mantle]

Do you really think they'd do that? Just lie and say something is necessary when it isn't?

Do you think people would do that?!?

[snow fern]

Would people lie to the detriment of trillions? No. Never…

[gleaming mantle]

This must be what that strange old beaky guy was talkin' about when he told me that 'change was needed' and 'fate is weaved' and what not.

[crystal forum]

your fever dream guy talks to you? mine just burps in my face and says i should eat more garbage

[gleaming mantle]

well do you?

tis rude to be ignoring your imaginary friend

[near wasp]

Mine just tells me to keep my collection of skulls polished

[gleaming mantle]

collection of skulls? why, that sounds highly pious to the imperial creed

must be the emperor himself speaking to you

[snow fern]

What’s that theory that a bunch of imperial iconography was imprinted into human minds by chaos? Such as the two headed eagle being Kairos, or the obsession with skulls being Khorne

[storm jungle]

Basically what it says on the title. It has no prescedent. Its just ironic.

[snow fern]

Unintentional irony is very funny

[near wasp]

Apparently big e loves irony so its probably intentional

[snow fern]

Big E really is a clown, and we’re stuck in his circus

[grave sparrow]

Isn't a 2 headed bird just a common symbol for various things?

Like the aquila's is something about blind/forgetting the past and looking towards the future

vs Kairos who had some fuckery done to him, and might* have something to do with the irony of matching the aquilla

[storm jungle]

Yeah it is.

Kairos just carries the classic theme of "two headed creature that lies and tells the truth"

i first learned the concept from Samurai Jack for example

[summer mural]

isnt the doubleheadedness of the aquila supposed to represent how the imperium basically consists of both the admech and hoomies as the foundations

[grave sparrow]

wasn't that something that tzeentch did to him too though? Like Kairos originally only had one head I thought

[twilit musk]

major kill isnt the lore writer for gw 🤔

[summer mural]

I think tzeentch memed him by giving him the gift of basically knowing all of the past, which one head can see, and the future, which the other head can see

neither can see the present

[storm jungle]

It's inconsistent.

[grave sparrow]

Sounds very tzeentchy lol

[storm jungle]

Its either "looking into the past and the future" or what you said loll

[snow fern]

Tzeentch chucked kairos into the magic time well, and that’s how he gained the 2nd head

[grave sparrow]

I don't think the aquilla has anything to do with the admech though, the admech isn't really part of the imperium as much as a sovereign ally

[summer mural]

I dunno, Im pretty sure the treaty of mars was foundational to the imperium

[snow fern]

Only cause big e didn’t think he had the resources to force subjugation on Mars

[grave sparrow]

Oh yeah, it 100% is, but they're still 2 separate factions.

Without the admech the imperium would be big donezo.

But I also think without the Imperium the admech probably couldn't stand up against the bulwark of all the hostile entities of the setting

[crisp heath]

Adeptus Mechanicus became part of the imperium fully after the heresy

That's why they're an Adeptus instead of the Mechanicum

[snow fern]

Right they’re separate because the admech is the rare exception to big e using overwhelming violence to solve all issues

They’re apart of the imperium, but they’re largely autonomous

[grave sparrow]

Ah, yeah. Wasn't the 2 head aquilla adopted before the admech was more integrated though?

[summer mural]

well more than invading them, its more impressive they are literally the one faction in all the galaxy the big e is okay with not having to engage with the imperial truth

[grave sparrow]

Well, nvm again, I looked it up and yeah, looks like you were right about it also having symbolism of the unification of Terra and Mars

[summer mural]

I was referring to the mechanicus , not the adeptus

so the cult of the machine basically

as for the symbol, iirc the double headed eagle was adopted during the start of the great crusade

[brisk agate]

Well don't forget sometimes he has a third head for giggles
Its not all that deep, tzeetch is about messing with his followers

[grave sparrow]

that's just what Tzeentch wants you to think!

It helps with his plots and schemes... and schemes and plots!

[storm jungle]

Its inconsistent like I said.

[snow fern]

The well of time is infact infinitely deep

[storm jungle]

Theres also the reason that one eagle head looks to the past and one to the future.

its up to interpretation basically

the admech dont have much to do with it

[grave sparrow]

but the Lexicanum says it does 😦

[storm jungle]

YEAH FROM AN OLD ASS SOURCE

👩‍🦽

[snow fern]

Warhammer is a lot of cliches. That part isn’t super deep

[grave sparrow]

YOU SAID THE LEXICANUM WAS GOOOOOOD D:<

[storm jungle]

IT MOSTLY IS

I DIDNT SAY IT WAS PERFECT

[summer mural]

classic ordo hereticus backtracking

[grave sparrow]

I dunnnnooo, you were preachin for the Lexicanum pretty hard before

and I apparently made the mistake of believing you

[snow fern]

I can’t believe we were betrayed like this

[grave sparrow]

The Lexicanum was supposed to be the chosen one of quickly getting accurate lore information!

[summer mural]

yeah but

did you know the Vulkan Mega Bolter fires 300 ROUNDS PER SECOND?!

[grave sparrow]

Das fast. That's like... stupidly fast

[shadow plover]

everytime I step outside I miss a masks off moment in this chat, very annoying

[grave sparrow]

Like an A-10's gau-8 shoots like at most, 70 rounds per second and that's fast

But the vulkan does have like... 2 sets of rotary cannons so... I mean... 150 rpm per is... feasible to comprehend I guess

gonna blow through your ammo in like 2 seconds of sustained fire lol

[rocky gale]

At 300 rounds a second I'd imagine the Stormlord is just 95% ammo storage

[gray umbra]

Lexicanum is like wikipedia

You just need to verify the source

Peer review that shit

Like when teachers tell u not to use wikipedia as a source so you copy paste from wikipedia and then list their sources as your source

[versed ledge]

I love how we even got a peer review system for lore

[winter vessel]

Geez this thing would annihilate infantry

[versed ledge]

I mean in all honesty, what's the purpose of that pattern of baneblade?

[grave sparrow]

I don't think there's even a rotating turret for the main gun on that thing, you'd have to rotate the entire tank lol

[grave sparrow]

to look cool and be functionally stoopid

[versed ledge]

Fair enough

The sentinel, chimera, and taurox, are the only functional military vehicles

[winter vessel]

Tank just starts doing donuts surrounded by Xenos and heretic soldiers “WOOOOOO blegh”-the crew

[rocky gale]

It's got 2 heavy stubbers, 2 lascannons, a twin heavy bolter, 2 twin heavy flamers and a Vulcan Mega Bolter, with options for 2 additional lascannons and either 2 twin heavy bolters or 2 twin heavy flamers

Plus it can act as a transport for 40 Guardsmen

[grave sparrow]

so it's probably like a breaching APC more than anything? Just bum rush in with stupid amounts of firepower, offload infantry?

[rocky gale]

Yea basically heavily armoured APC with tons of anti personnel weaponry

[versed ledge]

Huh, if that's the case then this baneblade pattern is useful

Transport a whole platoon

[grave sparrow]

get like a whole row of those things breaching your frontline, make sure you brought your heretical brown pants lol

[versed ledge]

Until heretic air support comes in

For some odd reason heretics are well financed and supplied

[grave sparrow]

chaos gods are their sugar daddies

[versed ledge]

Lmao, explains why we got a bunch half wits wasting ammo as if they got an infinite supply of it

Do you guys think they got their own medical Corp? Who stitches up wounded heretics?

[grave sparrow]

Ya know, I think logistics get overlooked a lot. Like Vraks was 17 years and somehow the heretics managed to be self-sustaining ammo, food, and water wise?

[snow fern]

You’re talking about logistics in a warhammer setting. The answer is probably don’t think about it too hard

[grave sparrow]

jinx?

kinda?

[gray umbra]

Probably, heretics usually get depicted as dying in droves

They just spontaneously generate more numbers as the situation demands

[grave sparrow]

I'll just chalk it up and say "chaos portals stuff in"

boom, logistical oversights solved

[snow fern]

Probably a lot of cannibalism

[rose thorn]

Hey if you are looking for a copy of the salvation box in the US it’s still available in the Walmart online store

[grave sparrow]

Actually that brings up an interesting point... how long is cannibalism stable for? Like imagining their food rations are easily gone within the first year, could a population sustain for 16 years on cannibalism? How many people would need to be consumed?

[green loom]

Nah

They just had enough stocks

It was a massive storage facility

[brisk agate]

Well likr it's that whole thing of turned guard regiment turning, since

They sometimes already have control of the factories

Alot of these turned traitor legions control planets or at least hive cities and thats alot of influence

[tulip brook]

they are supposed to be scraping for resources compared to imperium

so many books talking about how they salvage used gear and how their gear only works because of warp powers

[grave sparrow]

I'm sure it varies quite a bit, chaos forces have got to be a lot less standardized

[grave sparrow]

Yeah, that'd be GW's easy way out to explain it lol.

But I doubt they'd have enough food stored to sustain billions of people for nearly 2 decades. Storing that much food just wouldn't make sense.

Then again... it's GW... and numbers get weird

[green loom]

it had a population of 8 million

[brisk agate]

You always have food if you have corpse starch

[green loom]

Assuming a good chunk died, and they rationed or something similar, they could probably pull through with the supplies there

[grave sparrow]

Ohh yeah I keep thinking it was a hive world. Fortress world actually makes more sense

[versed ledge]

Now that begs the question, does life actually improves under renegade control?

[crystal forum]

if all they have available is human meat they wouldn't last more than a couple of years at most

[versed ledge]

I personally don't mind handing atoma to the enemy if quality of life improves greatly

We all saw how the average factory worker lives, and what they eat

[crystal forum]

eating only meat wouldn't give you all the micronutrients you need to survive

your teeth would fall out from lack of vitamin C alone

[versed ledge]

Carnivore Bros be disagreeing with that with missing teeth

[crystal forum]

all those people take vitamin supplements

[grave sparrow]

I think they still take supplements.

[crystal forum]

humans are omnivores

[grave sparrow]

I wonder how bad scurvy is in the 40th millenium lol

[crystal forum]

im sure they inject some cheap vitamin sources in even the shittiest food source

[grave sparrow]

Yea, plus i wouldn't be surprised if their food was genetically modified to the point of being an abomination with an insane amount of essential nutrients.

Like I doubt what they call corn and wheat and whatnot looks/is remotely similiar to what we currently know

[crystal forum]

true

[grave sparrow]

Gonna backtrack, I bet there's a calculation for how unsustainable cannibalism is lol.

Like if a human is 125,000 calories on average, maybe round down to 100,000 for malnurishment, and we'll say... the average person is getting 1.2k calories daily in the Imperium.

One person could feed 83 people for a day.

and... now I dunno where to go from here because I forgot how to do extended math problems. I think it'd be something like subtract X from population at a ratio of 1 to 83 until it equals 0?

and if Vraks had a population of 8million, drop... say... 50% for the purging of loyalists and other deaths, give them a final population of 4 million to start with

[brisk agate]

I don't think so

It uh

Like considering all the follies of the imperium and upper management in hive worlds

Certainly would rather be with the imperium than a traitor legion control

I imagine they try to subjugate you so you can fight any possible invasion or die

And chaos influence is gonna be pretty terrible

[grave sparrow]

I feel like once a planet goes under renegade control it'd be fucked just because it'd be out of the logistical network

[brisk agate]

Yeah

[grave sparrow]

"Everyone, you're free from Imperial tyranny!"

"yaayyy! Can we have more food?"

"uh... shit"

[brisk agate]

Usually when renegades or traitor legions take over a planet they cerrttainly aren't trying to make it better

Gonna make it worse for Chaos™️

[grave sparrow]

That also begs a question. Like yeah, the Imperium has a ton of corruption, but is the shit way of life the vast majority of the people face a necessary evil?

Like the galaxy is in constant war, diplomacy with most xeno races would likely just be exploited by the xenos

Can the Imperium afford to try to make the quality of life better? Is it possible?

[brisk agate]

I don't think so, lore wise iirc the imperium is in a state of decline

There's just too many people, and too many worlds to take care of

[grave sparrow]

And half the galaxy is cut off from the great rift so shit's gotta be desperate

[brisk agate]

With a nasty beucratic system i don't think it's possible in the current state

Yerep

[grave sparrow]

But even if they used a different system of governance, would it be sustainable?

Like I think the only option would be artifical intelligence for the laboring, but considering how AI rebelled, is that even a safe option?

[brisk agate]

Nope, and I mean there are speculation how the admech are worshipping an AI in the center of Mars but

The imperium wouldn't risk it

[grave sparrow]

I thought the void dragon was a Ca'tan

[brisk agate]

Oh no it's just a theory I have lmao

[grave sparrow]

Fair lol

[brisk agate]

Its that infinite struggle that the imperium makes alot of exceptions, even if they knew the admech were worshipping an AI, they'd brush it past

I mean, the ideal way is

We let the admech turn everyone in a hive city a servitor

[grave sparrow]

If people don't have free will, there is no suffering!

[brisk agate]

😌

[arctic talon]

Lol

[rocky gale]

I once started a revolution on a Feudal world during a game of Rogue Trader and by started a revolution I mean that I held the peasants at gunpoint and forced them to tear apart the King with their bare hands. Good times.

[rose thorn]

I love the ultramarines, they went from my third least favorite to my favorite legion

[arctic talon]

Did you read Know no Fear?

[rose thorn]

I’m reading it right now

Best way to explain why I live them

Math/bureaucracy > war

[snow fern]

logistics is a bit more involved than just math, but yah, logistics is king

[radiant lance]

It's amazing how the Emperor just made a primarch whose superpower is just logistics

[celest dome]

Like Guilliman ?

[radiant lance]

Yes

His superpower is logistics

Not flight like Sanguinis, or becoming incorporeal like Corvus

Logistics

[versed ledge]

Logistics make or break nations after all

[radiant lance]

It's amazingly useful but kinda hilarious

[versed ledge]

What more an army of angry tin cans with daddy issues

Especially an army of shirt wearing, flashlight wielding, meat shields

[radiant lance]

"this guy literally can't die. ooo I should give this guy amazing psyker powers. Hm this one? Planning things or something idc"

[near wasp]

Exactly why i like them

[crystal forum]

that's the thing about heretics though, they can survive off of wood chips and concrete dust if they have to. Chaos gives some small perks to even the lowest followers

they'll eventually starve but they can last a lot longer than loyalists

[young pecan]

I mean, with how many mechanicus members there are who TRULY believe in big O, I'm surprised there isn't a little bit of a warp interference that makes him exist in some degree of the way they think

Idk how allat stuff works tho

[versed ledge]

In speaking of mechanicus, what's the difference between loyalist and traitor mechanicus when they have the same MO and level of inhuman cruelty?

[normal light]

Indeed they give their “blessings” to the lowest cultists to at least give those some motivation to die for The Dark Gods

Because like it’s an entity that gave you for example pain tolerance and it’s promises more if you do what it tells you to do

[brisk agate]

I feel on reading the wiki for a whole... 2 seconds
It seems like the Dark Admech want to combine technology with earp power, swearing fealty to chaos gods

[normal light]

Not all Dark Mechs are Chaos

[brisk agate]

So its like a bastardization of pure untainted technology that the admech want, a melding of the flesh into steel

[normal light]

Some are just renegades

[brisk agate]

Yeah but, the formation of the dark admech was heretical in nature

They're just heretical filth none the less

[normal light]

Loyal filth

[brisk agate]

[normal light]

💀

[versed ledge]

Y'know, I like that idea

[storm jungle]

Literally just more outwardly evil

and got spikes/more mutations, thats it lmao

[rose thorn]

Podcast doing episode about leman Russ

My brain will hemorrhage if I hear wolf again

But I like this podcast so I’ll support them

Burn

[storm jungle]

Ah yes.

INGLISH

[rose thorn]

I love when fallout does that shit

Also

[rose thorn]

CITADEL LIKE RHE PAINT

[storm jungle]

LMAO STOP

[rose thorn]

PAINT

LIBRARY LIKE BLACK LIBRARY

wolf like space wolves

40k has so much potential for those shitty memes

[storm jungle]

Lmfao christ

[rose thorn]

If ultra appears in my college math class I’ll foam at the mouth trying to not make a face

Thank fuck I’m not taking a Latin class my ass would not be able to keep a straight face

I forgot what founding was the ultima founding

Was that the uh

[rocky gale]

Ultima Founding was the Primaris one

[rose thorn]

Oh oka

What founding was like right after hh

[rocky gale]

Second founding

[storm jungle]

very original name we know

also uh

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Founding

[rose thorn]

Thank you

I know alot of characters were given their own chapters

I might make my hh ultramarines character be the one given the libators

[rose thorn]

Just be like

‘Praetor what ever was given the honor of founding the libators chapter’

And then it went very down hill from there

Considering the libators are a gulliman blood cult

Maybe not idk

[rose thorn]

gulliman seeing the random chapter he gave a captain become a blood cult for the emperor and himself

[plush mason]

dont the space wolves have thier own name for themselves?

[green loom]

The Vlka Fenryka

Or the Rout

[plush mason]

what does the first one mean?

[green loom]

I forget exactly but probably "People of Fenris"

[dusk widget]

Nah, Wolves of Fenris.

[green loom]

Close enough

[plush mason]

i wonder if any of the other chapters have special names for themselves

[celest dome]

Sons of Ghorgon iirc for Irin Hand

[crystal zealot]

Isn't a daemon suppose to be a good spirit? as opposed to a "demon" ?

If yes then why is it called Daemonhost and not demonhost?

Or is that completely irrelevant

[sacred ginkgo]

Daemon looks cooler than Demon

also latin

and how well they can butcher it

[crystal zealot]

like short for daemonium?

thought it was greek related not latin xd

[tulip brook]

It's just 40k butchering ancient languages. Don't think too much about it

[green loom]

In 40k daemons are demons

They're very evil and horrible

[tulip brook]

Except kugath

He's sweet

[queen laurel]

mate i don't think making a disease potent enough to melt an entire city and turn it into a pile of writhing sludge and flesh

as sweet

[tulip brook]

He's obelix of 40k falling into cauldron as a nurgling and growing great unclean one size. Since then he was trying to atone for the fact that he ate the most potent disease of grandfather and trying to replicate it while being super sad

The guy is the only one being cautious in plague wars and nobody listened. He even hates combat

[pale onyx]

Ku'gath is a real one. And nurgle is the best chaos god. it's a shame in total war warhamemr 3 they are not fun to play as

[summer mural]

Kugath is super strong though

In wh3

Even if the faction ain't so

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-freeman-stare-american-psycho-half-life-stare-half-life-half-life-alyx-gif-26690081

the what

[storm jungle]

Now I know that sounds bad-

[spring cairn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_khWy7GAcQ

deathwatch ost

[gray umbra]

Ok guys i know we discussed alot about the imperium being the good guys but

What if

Chaos were the good guys??

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/no-let-me-think-nope-no-way-hmm-no-gif-22904160

[plush mason]

there are no good guys in 40k

that has been reiterated on so many times its not even a dead horse at this point lol

[gray umbra]

Oh i know

Okay but

[plush mason]

i figured just didnt want someone to think you wherent joking and start down that rabbithole again

[gray umbra]

Captain wolfer said and i quote

People of Tertium, hear me. We are the Moebian Sixth, returned and redeemed.

Redeemed

What does he mean by that??

[plush mason]

just typical cultest stuff

he traded one evil for another

and so he sees himself as "redeemed"

[spring cairn]

still would've been better for everyone if he stuck to his original evil

[gray umbra]

What does rinda mean when she says "there's no flavour without sport?"

Does that mean she likes me

[spring cairn]

she eats sport

all of them

[plush mason]

yeah she is refuring to us as prey

[gray umbra]

Damn that makes me pretty squishy ngl

[plush mason]

and it was in response to her brother saying "you always play with your food"

[storm jungle]

Sounding like every revolutionary basically

the Moebians also truly believe they are freeing the people lmao

[queen laurel]

Yeah he sounded like just every single person that comes here in lore chat and rants

[spring cairn]

the poxwalkers-ified population has never been looking more free

[queen laurel]

Absolutely hilarious

[spring cairn]

look at them running everywhere

[gray umbra]

Man those guys running around in underwear and bath robes are living their best life

[spring cairn]

too bad they don't get to control their own body

[gray umbra]

Me on a lazy day

[storm jungle]

servitors moment

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/trollge-troll-the-day-of-reckoning-gif-19655212

[plush mason]

imagine being made into a door-opener

[spring cairn]

Imagine if the guy next to you coughs on you and you ge "locked-in"

[plush mason]

like unironically the people that dont pass inspection and get thrown in the meat grinders at the servitor production camp/factory are the lucky ones

[green loom]

If the imperium aren't the good guys, are they the good gals?

[plush mason]

lmao

[gray umbra]

Imperium are the good guys because space marines = men and emperor is a man and the imperium of mankind is called of mankind instead of woman kind so good guys

[spring cairn]

The sororitas are good

[gray umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/mind-blown-shocked-ashtonished-astounded-explosion-gif-4927161

[spring cairn]

they even let kids participate in genocide

[gray umbra]

Argenta would make a fantastic orphanage matron

Cmon kids lets go burn some heretics with holy promethium

You see that alien, hes the guy who killed your parents

Here is a lasgun

[green loom]

I think gate of bones has a thing where sororitas are letting a bunch of kids burn heretics

[spring cairn]

that's what I had in mind

[gray umbra]

I figured that would be typical during any hive city witch hunt anyway

[spring cairn]

they make them carry gasoline to fuel the pyres I think

[storm jungle]

yeah I said that here awhile ago

its hilarious lol

[vale fjord]

So what is this "By the five!" the loner pysker is referencing

[celest dome]

We don't really know, some think it's related to Necromunda (Hive Quintus) but it would surprising to say the least;
Personally I think it's about the 4 Chaos Gods + the Emperor

[radiant lance]

They're talking about a hive five 🙂

✋

[vale fjord]

Yea well

The loner is not interested in worshipping the chaos gods

(Ignoring the loner calling Big E "corpse god" out loud)

[gray umbra]

Loner is just a silly little guy

[radiant lance]

Wow is no one going to finish my high five?

[gray umbra]

✋

[radiant lance]

🙏

[spare osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/sīkais-sikais-minecraft-armalv-im-doing-my-part-too-gif-17537900

[radiant lance]

Is gate of bones from like the 90s?

They had their super edgy moments during then

Like the grey knights needing to cover themselves in sororitas blood

[crystal forum]

is 40k edgy

[radiant lance]

Like the grey knights are incorruptible, and they're just writing this and breaking precious lore for extra edge

Not as much anymore, but the 90s were wild

That's when the super edgy shit like the daemoncabus or whatever it's called were made

[crystal forum]

2000's had the HH though and that has a lot of edge too

[radiant lance]

Yeah it was just that time period

[storm jungle]

It came out like 2 years ago

[radiant lance]

Rogue trader (the actual first edition thing and not the game) was more silly, and then they had their edgy period, and they're just back to silly now

[storm jungle]

Daemonşişkebab

[radiant lance]

Oh. This is just a weird blip of edgy

[storm jungle]

I mean no?

religious fanatics are being religious fanatics

[radiant lance]

Matt Damoncubecap

[storm jungle]

it perfectly fits

[storm jungle]

Okay so

there was this one HH book where you got a character named Damon

a Daemon sees him, learns his name, smiles and goes

"Damon...Daemon...heh."

end me

[crystal forum]

feels a lot more "serious" now

[queen laurel]

Painlessly or being sent to chaos levels?

[radiant lance]

A bit more serious since they moved away from the "all hope is lost, and we're just dying" sort of storytelling especially with the rise of Primarchs again, and the plot is actually moving forward

[crystal forum]

i feel like GW intentionally makes people want to root for the imperium because that makes them buy more space marines

[storm jungle]

Yeah no thats literally it.

[crystal forum]

when i read old lore it's a lot more obvious that no side is good

[radiant lance]

Primaris marines 100% exist only because they wanted everyone to have to rebuy all their space marines

[storm jungle]

the Imperium is still written as an awful society, its more the fans that just want to push the image of them being the "only hope" forward.

also marketing needs to be more positive because when your clientbase also includes kids it makes selling marines to them easier

[crystal forum]

is it the fans or GW though

[storm jungle]

Both.

ive been a fan for 12 years, its the case

[crystal forum]

ah

[storm jungle]

GW tho if i had to pick is the bigger instigator

they gotta market this to people, you cant exactly alienate your audience

[radiant lance]

Robot Gellymen at least is trying to actually make citizen lives better.
"Why is this planet a shithole when you can make it better?"
"It makes the men tougher for recruitment"
"Fucking stop, assholes"

[storm jungle]

Yeah but he also isn't.

[crystal forum]

i dont like that he's "good" though

[tulip brook]

Perspective thing. They write about how awful it is and then the characters talk about hope and nobility and stuff

[storm jungle]

Its offset by Gman not being able to do all these things

[radiant lance]

He's only a single man

[storm jungle]

people assume hes gonna save the Imperium when thats basically impossible

Its less that

more that the people are just too far gone

[tulip brook]

Fans ignore the subtext and cling on characters

[storm jungle]

even if the Emperor himself rose and said hes not a god there would be entire secession wars and crisis' all about it

[radiant lance]

He's the start of a new chapter in the Imperium's life rather than the Mary Sue who's going to snap his fingers and fix everything

[crystal forum]

the consequences of marvel on the human race

[storm jungle]

Yeah and he's not doing a great job still.

[radiant lance]

Really, until Papi Emps comes back, the imperium is sorta fucked

[storm jungle]

the Imperium has no "life"

I mean even if Big E came back it wont matter

like I said you cant salvage the Imperium lol

[queen laurel]

If you mean sacrificing yourself for an empire that won't even acknowledge your existence as a life then yeah they have

[storm jungle]

Also that lmao