40k-lore-chat

[coarse pumice]

That’s thematic for the concept of the game

[crystal forum]

god i wish conscrits were still a thing

[storm jungle]

and in real life you can train your whole life to be a SAS commando and you will die if you slip and break your neck on a rock during a mission or just be a WW2 vet and die before you set foot on a beach.

War is random and cruel.

Marines are not invincinble

[viral yacht]

i think it's more to do with marines being built like literal tanks

[spring cairn]

the funniest idea is Marines dying because their transport blew up

[storm jungle]

I mean it doesnt matter

literally half the stuff in 40k can kill them

[storm jungle]

that happens in Pariah Nexus lol

[crystal forum]

you'd think the power armour they wear into battle would be a little more useful though. like imagine how terrifying a naked space marine would be

[storm jungle]

like i said above, it serves its function, the weapons other factions use are just as lethal

you can make this argument IRL

[viral yacht]

that seems more realistic than a lasgun shot tbf

[storm jungle]

"Why wear armor if i just die from a headshot"

lmao

[green loom]

Honestly their chances are probably better out of armour

[crystal forum]

because modern helmets can literally save you from a headshot

[spring cairn]

Like they rolled up all this way in their whatever their fuck to show off their sick skill and reflexes and just get blown up by a Leman Russ before disembarking

[storm jungle]

So can 40k ones

uniforms are uniforms

[queen laurel]

Yeah I do believe that because hey orks have the looney tunes ass shooters

[viral yacht]

this also reminds me: are they still screwing lamenters over in the lore?

[queen laurel]

Every enemy in the setting is unpredictable

[storm jungle]

They aren't, Lamenters havent been touched for lore since the Primaris were announced.

also because its funny

lol

[viral yacht]

[storm jungle]

[spring cairn]

tbh I'm pretty sure a marine can get insta killed by getting shot in the neck joint by a lasgun

maybe not insta

but it'll tear thru

[viral yacht]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pr1Ip9aaHIA

[storm jungle]

Nah lasguns need more work

but they can die from them yeah

[viral yacht]

makes you wonder why they usually seem to walk around without their fraggin helmets on

[spring cairn]

don't they kill a csm in a gaunt's book by shooting one in the joints or something

[crystal forum]

im just saying it's funny how many things they're able to do yet they rarely use them

[storm jungle]

welcome to 40k

[green loom]

There's a fist character in the Siege of Terra books that dies to a single autogun bullet

[storm jungle]

its the rule this setting is built on lol

[storm jungle]

OH YEHA I FORGOT ABOUT THAT

LMAO

[arctic talon]

A real skill issue from him ngl

[storm jungle]

Fucking moron

[arctic talon]

Didn't it go through his visor + eye into his brain lol

[spring cairn]

that's pure plot armor main character moment yes

[green loom]

Yes

[arctic talon]

Thats a real skill issue

[viral yacht]

well, that makes me think a CSM boss encounter in darktide could be more likely now

[storm jungle]

its been always probable

we got tons of equipment that call kill CSM

lmao

[spring cairn]

i mean, we have bolters and plasma guns, a psyker and an ogryn

i say easy

[crystal forum]

and they say they're the emperor's angels 🙄

[storm jungle]

its like

its propaganda or something

[arctic talon]

every class has something that can kill a CSM

lol

[viral yacht]

yea, plasma guns, even smol human sized ones are hella powerful aren't they?

[coarse pumice]

The Ogryn is way stronger than a space marine

[arctic talon]

the ogryn themselves

can kill a space marine

assuming the marine is dumb enough to get in a fistfight lol

[storm jungle]

its basically a miniature sun burst

also yeah like

we got excerpts of an ogryn breaking the neck of a chaos marine terminator

lol

[arctic talon]

all the power weapons, all the force weapons, psyker weapons, plasma guns, ogryn fists

[spring cairn]

triple death krark grenade barage

[viral yacht]

ogryn strong

[coarse pumice]

No power fists though

[spring cairn]

power fist with bolt pistol for vet soon

[viral yacht]

can ogryns get power fists?

[storm jungle]

yes

[crystal forum]

the horror

[crystal forum]

watch him rip open a tank with his hands

[viral yacht]

that... is awesome

[spring cairn]

don't ask gen chat if the rejects can take on a csm tho

they'll tell you all space marines are immortal 1 man armies

[crystal forum]

if they can take on a beast of nurgle they can take on a single chaos space marine

[coarse pumice]

CSM are equivalent to Chaos Warriors who you take out constantly in Vermintide

[viral yacht]

get our ogryns power fist melees so we can finally complete our heavy weapons guy build

[coarse pumice]

Though the Vermintide chars are pretty much hero character grade

[viral yacht]

MY FISTS, THEY ARE MADE OF STEEL

[arctic talon]

CSM > chaos warriors generally tbh

in terms of rarity

[crystal forum]

rejects might not be in a special cool ultra faction but they're still good

[storm jungle]

we are basically a kill-team

[crystal forum]

you dont need to be a big guy in power armour to be a threat

[storm jungle]

so its in the middle

[viral yacht]

I'd imagine an ogryn power fist would function like an ogryn version of a thunder hammer

[spring cairn]

they're represented in Total war warhammer as hero characters in the Ubersreik settlement so it's canon

[crystal forum]

lots of inquisitors get by without that shit

[storm jungle]

I mean it always was cannon

you murder your way through so much skaven and so many spots, its great

[crystal forum]

that's why i love inquisitors they're just so fucking normal

[viral yacht]

define "normal"

[coarse pumice]

Chaos Warriors used to be terrifying, though it’s sort of a name change since Chosen have the role 3rd ed chaos warriors had, and chaos marauders used to be armoured guys, and chaos thugs are gone but we’re what marauders take up now

[crystal forum]

idk they're not part of an elite fighting force or anything. most low level inquisitors are just dudes with a badge and a lot of training

they're regular humans

[spring cairn]

with acess to very good gear

[crystal forum]

not even

[spring cairn]

they are inquisitors

[crystal forum]

low level ones have barely anything

yeah maybe a custom made sidearm and some gadgets

[spring cairn]

they still have acess to good stuff

[storm jungle]

its a case of "it depends"

[coarse pumice]

Funny thing is, in 2nd edition only, Inquisitors had higher stats than Chapter Masters and Abaddon etc

[storm jungle]

but as Lambda says most inquisitors are pretty well prepped and equipped

the most "low" level you can get is people like Eisenhorn

[crystal forum]

yeah i was thinking of him

[spring cairn]

They have a retinue most of the time also

[coarse pumice]

Which wasn’t the case in 1st and later editions

[viral yacht]

the "good stuff" in question

[spring cairn]

have you heard the sound that gun made when he shot it

and rannick isn't even an inquisitor

[crystal forum]

or of the inquisitor in the soul drinker books who's also very fresh and only has a couple of gadgets and an autopistol with a handful of extremely powerful rounds

[surreal nest]

Did you want him to use a fucking nuke

[spring cairn]

the gun sounds like a nuke

[viral yacht]

well now that you mention it...

[spring cairn]

like seriously go watch the cutscene

it slaps harder than the in-game bolter

[surreal nest]

He's unceremoniously executing somebody 😭

[storm jungle]

if we go by the traitor servitor

you can assume that he actually shot not to kill either

which is even funnier

[arctic talon]

Rannick has a fancy ass archeotech pistol

[viral yacht]

i did, it kinda just sounds like a slowed down version of the revolver we already have

[spring cairn]

the thing has tier 5 hand-cannon and surgical 6 as blessings

[arctic talon]

that thing wasn't a normal pistol tbh

[viral yacht]

so that's why he was aiming for a bit before shooting

[arctic talon]

thing fired out something weird

that blew up lol

[crystal forum]

somebody needs to make a list of all the cracked one off weapons in the books and games

[arctic talon]

after penatration

[arctic talon]

Codex adeptus mechanicus

lul

[spring cairn]

It's a revolver with bolter rounds even better

[viral yacht]

a bolt... revolver?

[arctic talon]

Well those exist

[storm jungle]

thats actually a thing

yep

[viral yacht]

that small tho?

[arctic talon]

The Leagues of Votann have them

[crystal forum]

nah nah i mean the ones that are only mentioned in like a single story

[arctic talon]

Yeah

they have a lot of random ass one off weapons lol

some with rules

[storm jungle]

someones overcompensating

[viral yacht]

the explosion in question

not quite as powerful as a bolter round, woulda not left enough to make a servitor out of

[crystal forum]

this inquisitor in the soul drinker books had bullets for an autopistol that could navigate to the target no matter what's in their path and then hit the target multiple times by flying around them

[storm jungle]

bro

THATS LITERALLY A SMART PISTOL

[crystal forum]

that's the kind of shit im talking about

[viral yacht]

bruh

[crystal forum]

nah it's specific bullets. the autopistol was generic

i looked them up they're not normal

[spring cairn]

ah yes, the bullshets

[crystal forum]

they're called executioner rounds

[storm jungle]

to be fair thats also how the smart-pistol functions in titanfall iirc

https://i.imgur.com/0kyPz4A.gif

sick shit

[arctic talon]

The smart pistol doesn't use generic bullets

it has special ones 🤓

[crystal forum]

he had only a handful of them so he couldnt just blast everybody

[storm jungle]

yep its why its so rare

since pilots are like space marine-tier rare

lol

[storm jungle]

my man is resourceful

[spring cairn]

in Cyberpunk you find those things in dumpsters

[crystal forum]

mind you the bullets would penetrate a target multiple times

[storm jungle]

to be fair with cyberpunk it also makes sense

technology is so advanced some of this is considered "mundane"

[spring cairn]

yeah

[crystal forum]

he has a really badass moment where he starts quoting the inqusitorial oath or something and blasts an eldrich being in the head while it's distracted by the main character

[spring cairn]

so sad the game watered the crazy shit down a bit

[arctic talon]

there's a lot of irony in its development cycle

being a cyberpunk game

having horrific crunch

[spring cairn]

cyberpunk is the dystopia we're heading towards be careful

[crystal forum]

he also fights through a mechanicus data center that's so cold that when his tempestus scion allies get shot in their space suits their blood instantly turned to crystals

mechanicus shit is so wild in the books

i fucking love how insane their stuff is

[arctic talon]

admech equipment is very esoteric and weird

[crystal forum]

i really dont get the old western look they have on tabletop though

that's not at all how i imagine them

[arctic talon]

Its martian styled skitarii specifically

regarding the weird rifles

[crystal forum]

tabletop only has martians right?

[arctic talon]

no

[carmine maple]

the box art guys tend to be martian red

but you can swap it up and have your guys be from a range of forge worlds

[crystal forum]

can you have different looking guns

[carmine maple]

Not sure if they do the upgrade sets for mechanicus at the mo

[arctic talon]

they don't

[carmine maple]

or if that's just the space marines/guard that get full on different sets for different units

[green loom]

They only do them for marines more or less

[arctic talon]

I'll explain why they look that way

in a sec

[carmine maple]

a sec

too late

[rose thorn]

2 questions

[crystal forum]

2 answers

[arctic talon]

I'm in the middle of something

okay done

[arctic talon]

Regarding this the Skitarii are in the style of martian skitarii specifically, aka the really old ones that during the heresy didn't leave mars

They do have different guns

[crystal forum]

so the western guns are old school?

[arctic talon]

they're old yes

but they're incredibly dangerous

[rose thorn]

a: my freind is making a chaos warband so imma make a custom chapter, my idea is a back water planet taht was saved by the khan pre hh. So they believed he was a god of the hunt and for some reason a chapter was built there. How insane can i get before it starts raising eyebrows

[arctic talon]

galvanic rifles can fire fully automatic

[carmine maple]

the terrifying new reality post fall of cadia where the lore has actually moved on and I am no longer in the loop with 15 year old lore from my teen years

[crystal forum]

are you telling me that pre imperium humanity was like firefly

[rose thorn]

the chapter will be a white scars successor for obvious reasons

[arctic talon]

Maybe lol

[carmine maple]

Pre-Imperium humanity is very vague

We know it was some form of federation

[arctic talon]

but galvanic rifles literally make your fucking neurons explode on impact lol

[carmine maple]

But not that it was necessarily 'good'

[arctic talon]

and burn out all your like

internal body electricity

[carmine maple]

Probably better than the Imperium

[arctic talon]

assuming its a good direct hit

[storm jungle]

Marines can kinda do most ritualistic shit down to eating people but the sus stuff is basically things you'd also raise a brow IRL regarding cult-like behavior lol

so use that

[carmine maple]

but they came up with a lot of stuff that non-psychopathic people would not come up with

[arctic talon]

also they have tiny servitor brains in them made out of something

not clear what

but the skitarii can "adjust" the flight path of the bullet slightly

[green loom]

The same thing Kharns baby skulls are made of

[arctic talon]

LOL

[crystal forum]

i just dont like the aesthetic

[carmine maple]

Kharn puts his skulls in the washing machine on high until they shrink

[arctic talon]

yeah thats fair

[storm jungle]

There was no federation.

Basically humanity was incredibly spread out and advanced, everyone was in their own corners of the galaxy being decadent with technology and genetic science, doing stuff like reshaping entire planets or creating worlds that were basically just archaic theme-parks like Fenris.

They were extremely irresponsible and kinda had a fall any advanced society does when it veers into this kind of unchecked progression.

[rose thorn]

cannibalism, hunter mind set, eat what you kill, obsession with speed.

[crystal forum]

when i think mechanicus i think crazy high tech that barely makes sense

not space cowboys

[storm jungle]

yeah but admech dont use advanced tech

hence the da vinci planes

[rose thorn]

counter argument why not both

[storm jungle]

and the blunderbusses

[rose thorn]

what was that movie with teh steam punk spider

[arctic talon]

I'm killing you with rocks 🪨

[rose thorn]

and the betl gun

[storm jungle]

Wild Wild West

[crystal forum]

GW could have AT LEAST given them cowboy hats

[storm jungle]

absolute classic lmao

[rose thorn]

YEA

[arctic talon]

Also not the entire admech range has the wild west look

tbf

[carmine maple]

on wild west

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/wild-wild-west-sunset-ride-off-the-end-spider-gif-22383228

this is the shit admech would use

[crystal forum]

bad movie

[carmine maple]

Iirc there was some DAOT gun that was a revolver that erased people from time

or something

[storm jungle]

its great shut up

[rose thorn]

not enough pollution

[storm jungle]

time and their existence as a memory

shit is fucked up

[arctic talon]

like this shit def doesn't look like the wild west lol

[carmine maple]

and the guy who found it fired it at random ass gangers

[rose thorn]

if we are talking about cowboys

[storm jungle]

I love the kitty-like balls on the claws

[arctic talon]

neither do these lol

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Murder mittens

[storm jungle]

fr fr

[storm jungle]

but also yeah like

[carmine maple]

[storm jungle]

admech are a mix of steampunk and 60's sci-fi

[arctic talon]

the admech range really doesn't have like

a unified aesthetic

[rose thorn]

[arctic talon]

which is fine tbh

[rose thorn]

shes so pretty

[carmine maple]

afaik currently admech is currently suffering under GW's terrible lash

[crystal forum]

the whole ornate shit annoys me

[arctic talon]

fucking tall boy

Who has pnumatic legs

because uh

idk

I'm annoyed he doesn't have reverse jointed legs

[carmine maple]

some DAOT guy experimented with it one time

and it became a religious thing

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

the actual Dishonored tallboy is so much fucking better

[carmine maple]

is what I assume all the time

[rose thorn]

technically steam punk is cowboy, and alot of cowboy stuff is in ww1 stuff

[arctic talon]

its pretty miserable to play them rn lol

weakest codex by far

[rose thorn]

my favorite admech model

[crystal forum]

what does this even mean

[carmine maple]

I'm out of touch with the suffering

I know no admech players

[rose thorn]

they are probably THE 3d print army atm due to how they are priced

[arctic talon]

the only thing thats super wild west is these 2 tbh

[storm jungle]

also like

those arent even horses

[arctic talon]

fucking Honse

[storm jungle]

they are massive cyber-dogs

[arctic talon]

yeah

also fun fact abusing said dog is subject for execution lol

[rose thorn]

like the most iconic wild west stuff isnt much different from ww1 stuf

[storm jungle]

i forgot how they butchered the name "cerberus" to make them trademarkable tho and im lazy so idgaf

[arctic talon]

Serberys

very original

[storm jungle]

GOD

[rose thorn]

OMG I DITN REALIZE

[arctic talon]

Sulphurhounds are the funny one

fucking flamethrower dog

Literally

[storm jungle]

absolute meme

[arctic talon]

the Wulfenstien Panzerhound

[storm jungle]

love it

[arctic talon]

lol

[storm jungle]

to be fair

the panzerhund fits right into 40k lol

and is like

[rose thorn]

I THOUGH IT WAS BASED OFF SAAILSBURY

[storm jungle]

fucking scary

[arctic talon]

oh it absolutely does

[rose thorn]

SAILSBURY

[arctic talon]

the way it moves around

[rose thorn]

LIKE TEH FUCKING GOOD

FOOD*

[arctic talon]

in the opening of the first game is horrifying lol

[storm jungle]

YEP

[rose thorn]

'hey why are these cowboys named after a steak?;

[storm jungle]

https://i.gifer.com/origin/e0/e0cb34d327a5f748d79bff55582e3377.gif

it also has the mind of a dog

"Yo doggie, catch this you dumb fuck"

https://i.gifer.com/21vs.gif

[crystal forum]

@rose thorn look i found cowboys in world war 1

[arctic talon]

the guns

[rose thorn]

horses revovler s

[arctic talon]

is what they mean

I'd assume

[rose thorn]

uh

trains

[crystal forum]

that's literally what i meant

[arctic talon]

oh

my b

[crystal forum]

look at the guns

winchester 1895's

[rose thorn]

imma be real i know nothing about guns

oh neat

[crystal forum]

literal cowboy guns

lever action

they were sold to russians

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[storm jungle]

yeah same

literally just

long stick

that fires fast-metal

[rose thorn]

note for dnd idea, russian wild west

[arctic talon]

The fact this is fucking killteam art is never not funny to me

[storm jungle]

man

as much as I love this artist

Lewis Jones gross as fuck artstyle has spoiled me

[rose thorn]

this is amazing except fo rthe fact the colors and framing keep making me look at the builidngs

[crystal forum]

just to be sure

[arctic talon]

Oh my god lol

I didn't notice that

[crystal forum]

see? lever

[rose thorn]

iwhat forge world is that supposed to be? i mpretty sure thats paulper princes gsc

[arctic talon]

Stygies VIII

red armor + black robes

[rose thorn]

oh

god i hate the gsc colors dont match their banners at all

[arctic talon]

this wasn't on the planet Stygies VIII

but some other factory world under their control

[rose thorn]

THIS ANNOYS ME SO MUCH AAA

[storm jungle]

lmaooo

[rose thorn]

the sigil isnt even the same fucking color

besides this an dthe 4 armed emperor they are the only ones that barely match their banners

[arctic talon]

I do like how GW chose some non standard schemes for some armies

for their killteam "mascot"

I.E Stygies VIII, Tsarakura, Pauper princes

ect.

[rose thorn]

i swear to god teh art team and model painting team were not on teh same planet

[rose thorn]

to be fair pauper princes are cool

[arctic talon]

they are

[rose thorn]

also they are important now

[arctic talon]

bcs then you get art like this

[rose thorn]

yee eits baller

[storm jungle]

I still cannot believe this is Lewis Jones

[rose thorn]

im having a stroke what are some cool under rated sub factions

[storm jungle]

you bet your ass they told him to hold back since this was prob one of his first pieces

[arctic talon]

Its so clean its kind of cursed

[storm jungle]

YEAH

[arctic talon]

compared to his like actual art style

[storm jungle]

Like the only way you can tell its his

is the messy af servo-skull

[crystal forum]

most guard regiments you havent heard of

[storm jungle]

Im betting he was just employed at the time lol

[arctic talon]

and then he dropped this shit for admech lol

[rose thorn]

oh horse boys

[storm jungle]

Yeah its just nuts

[rose thorn]

OPMG TATS TAHTE SAME GUY

[storm jungle]

YES

LMAO

[rose thorn]

THATS THE SAME FUCKING GUY?!?

[storm jungle]

i keep a collection, its him

[arctic talon]

They really let him use his like actual art style

starting the SoB codex

[storm jungle]

^

he went nuts from there

like DAMN dude

[arctic talon]

which is where this shit came from

[storm jungle]

Also this

And the canoness artwork too iirc same with the hospitaller

[rose thorn]

i can imagine a 2 year old crying seeing this

[arctic talon]

prolly one of the most chaotic pieces of like codex art ever made for the guard lol

[storm jungle]

one of my favorites

actual legion of monsters fighting orks

[arctic talon]

There's an Ork boy being shanked to death by a jungle fighter lol

[storm jungle]

have you seen like

the more HD version of this

its crazy

[rose thorn]

THAT POOR TREE

[crystal forum]

i always thought this art looked like those guardsmen might be a little GSC infected

[storm jungle]

nah

[arctic talon]

They got that tinge to their skin lol

[storm jungle]

they are just proper 40k human

[crystal forum]

why is their skin purple

[arctic talon]

but aside from that they look normal imo

[storm jungle]

it isnt

they are just pale

[crystal forum]

no it's purple

[arctic talon]

nah their skin is def a little purplish

imo

[crystal forum]

dont gaslight me

[arctic talon]

its from the lighting

[storm jungle]

humans in 40k dont look normal

ugly ass

[rose thorn]

my favorite part is just how much pain feels channeled inthis

[crystal forum]

i dare you to find a single astra militarum art that doesn't kick ass

[arctic talon]

Also funnily enough lewis jones doesn't actually use the codex death guard scheme in his official art lol

THEY'RE WHITE

[storm jungle]

Also speaking of GSC

[storm jungle]

heres his sketch of one too

[arctic talon]

Which is super fucking rare

Lewis jones likes drawing ugly people

tbh

[rose thorn]

best part is besides teh forehead its just a dude in 40k

[storm jungle]

I THINK the thing with those was he was fully allowed to improv

[arctic talon]

or just generally less attractive stuff

which I like tbh

[storm jungle]

also same

[arctic talon]

its a contrast to some of the other art

[storm jungle]

people need to be reminded not everyone looks like super models

lmao

RADIO HEAAAAD

[rose thorn]

i think its usppoed to be the rotworm brotherhood?

[arctic talon]

wtf is that

[crystal forum]

artists when GW doesn't force them to adhere to the corporate branding

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

It probably is?

I love this GSC art tbh

[storm jungle]

I love how fucking disgusting it is

[arctic talon]

GW's finally giving its codex artists more freedom and the results are great

[storm jungle]

you can see a genestealer child on the right

[rose thorn]

this nis literallymy favorite part in 40k besides some knights art

for very bias reasons

[storm jungle]

god its so bad

i love it

[rose thorn]

is there a way i can pull up his art profile

[crystal forum]

really cool how it's a literal wave of GSC

[rose thorn]

i think he might have done some aos stuff

[storm jungle]

He doesnt post most of his stuff online, you gotta hunt it down

[rose thorn]

ffs

[storm jungle]

yeah lmao

[rose thorn]

whats his name?

[storm jungle]

Lewis Jones

be sure to add "40k" to it

[rose thorn]

OH YEAH

i forgot world eaters were a faction

[storm jungle]

angron on the left

[rose thorn]

OMG HE IS

[storm jungle]

this is what apocalyptic art is lol

[rose thorn]

hai :3

[arctic talon]

he made this for uh something

[storm jungle]

yeah its non-40k

[crystal forum]

watch somebody complain about the art not being realistic

[arctic talon]

he seemed to embrace the grungier art style like

post 2016

[storm jungle]

I actually used that artwork for a 40k character I was making through so thats funny lol

[arctic talon]

this was his earlier like fan art of 40k stuff

[storm jungle]

OOF

the style difference is nuts

[rose thorn]

this is called 'death of a space marine'

[storm jungle]

what a dumbass

I love it lol

[arctic talon]

What wearing no helmet

does to a mf'er

[storm jungle]

absolutely owned

[rose thorn]

the killteam experience lmao

[arctic talon]

Mf'er failed the charge

[rose thorn]

im 90% sure thjis is the only piece of art fot he uh

[arctic talon]

what a fool

[rose thorn]

whats it called

castellen guard?

the chatper with 2 lines of lore made to protect the eye of terror

[storm jungle]

LMAO it might be

google time

[arctic talon]

oh the uh

yeah

[storm jungle]

ah fuck it cant find it

[arctic talon]

Castellans of the rift

I only know this

bcs a friend

has an entire fucking army of them lol

[storm jungle]

YEP you are right

its them

literally exact same scheme

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[crystal forum]

pistachio armour

[arctic talon]

they had an army of renown lol

[rose thorn]

im 90% sure they had white dwarf rules let me check

[arctic talon]

they did

[rose thorn]

LET CHECK WHAT THEY WERE

taking bets taking bets

[storm jungle]

Lmaooo they got a reddit thread

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer40k/comments/10kye2k/which_chapter_is_this/

"what chapter is this"

[crystal forum]

where do you find these sheets

[storm jungle]

Google

first result i got

[rose thorn]

if teh fucking website can laod

[crystal forum]

i cant find it for soul drinkers

[rose thorn]

huh

[crystal forum]

the pistachio guys have rules but not soul drinkers

[storm jungle]

remember not every chapter has this

[storm jungle]

Soul Drinkers are also like

NICHE of NICHE

[rose thorn]

i wasnt expecting them to be melee

[crystal forum]

and not the fucking pistachios??

[storm jungle]

THEY LITERALLY HAVE 1 ARTWORK

also the thing i posted is from a white dwarf article

its not exactly celebrity status

[crystal forum]

soul drinkers have a ton of artwork

[rose thorn]

didnt soul dirnkers have 8the dition rules

[crystal forum]

like a weird amount

[storm jungle]

IM SAYING THE CASTELLANS DINGUS

[plush mason]

almost as ugly as me irl

[storm jungle]

mood ngl

[crystal forum]

they fight the griffons

idk who these guys even are

their quirk is they like to write things down

[storm jungle]

you describe 95% of space marine chapters

[rose thorn]

ph the tome keepers

or wajt ever they were aclled

[crystal forum]

i love when stories act like a space marine chapter being brutal and efficient is unique to a chapter

[rose thorn]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Tome_Keepers

[crystal forum]

nah something griffon

[rose thorn]

oH

Thte uh

[crystal forum]

howling griffon?

[rose thorn]

uh

yeah

the diet balck templars

[crystal forum]

idk but their quirk sucks

[rose thorn]

they are knights

but ultra marines

pretty kek and depressed

[carmine maple]

howling griffons have like an accursed paint scheme

yellow

the cursed colour

and its quartered against red

[rose thorn]

i love these metnally ill marines

im porbs gonan make a kiltelam of them

[crystal forum]

damn they're even uglier than i imagined

[rose thorn]

they do blood sacrificed to guilliman and think the codex astarties ia holy text

they are probably my favorite chapter

[crystal forum]

they keep going on about oaths and shit in the book

[rose thorn]

no they will just cut your veins in teh name of gulliman

[crystal forum]

oh i thought you meant the griffons

[rose thorn]

oh whoops

i thought youwere talking abotu the libators

ill make a klillteam of them and if i love them still i might say fuck it and amke a chapter of them

[crystal forum]

wait who in the imperium gives a shit that they kill their prisoners

[plush mason]

like. why does Guilliman tolerate them?

[crystal forum]

is there any more wacky chapters

[rose thorn]

they follwo teh codex astarties to a fuckjing t

[crystal forum]

i'd look through the wiki list but it would take me days

[rose thorn]

define wacky

[crystal forum]

quirky

[rose thorn]

i already did that uwu

like in a good way or bad way

[crystal forum]

idk in any way

[rose thorn]

(pls send me to therapy)

a personal favorite are the uhh

let me get the list

[crystal forum]

ok i'll click on a random space marine chapter on the list

flesh eaters

[rose thorn]

oh yeah you will never guess their thing

[carmine maple]

YELLOW RED ARRRRRR

[crystal forum]

i'll let you guess what they do

(they eat flesh)

[rose thorn]

i wonde rif they are good friends witht eh dragon spears

they eat their own dead in a feast

[crystal forum]

quite quirky

ill find another

[rose thorn]

relictors are neat

[crystal forum]

actually ill say the name and you tell me if you know them

[rose thorn]

oka

[crystal forum]

fire angels

[rose thorn]

oh they are the fuckin red guys

i dont think they have much lore

werent they imperial fist or ultra marine successor?

yea uyltra marines

WHEN TEH FUCK WERE THEY IN THE BADAB WAR

[crystal forum]

not even red

[rose thorn]

theres some

i got them mixed up witht he uh

fire osmething

THE ANGELS OF FIRE

IS WHO I GOT THEM MXIED UPW TIH

[crystal forum]

fool

[rose thorn]

ahaahahaha

[crystal forum]

ok next up

[crisp heath]

So you know of any occupations that would fit?

[crystal forum]

brazen minotaurs

[humble shoal]

wdym?

[rose thorn]

arent those litearlly jsut teh minotaurs?

[humble shoal]

arent there 2 minotaur chapters

[crystal forum]

no

they're gold

[crisp heath]

I'm down for changing his appearance somewhat for moving him in uni, his eyes are my in sticking point that have to stay the same

[crystal forum]

can you imagine that shit

[rose thorn]

AHAHAHA

THEY ARE FROM TAURON

HAHAAHA

[humble shoal]

glowing eyes are the issue tbh

[crisp heath]

@humble shoal occupations, not accusations*

[crisp heath]

His eyes don't glow

[rose thorn]

PS IF you wanan run a 1k sons loyal successor

do these guys

[crisp heath]

They are swirling pools of mercury with no iris or pupil

[humble shoal]

could run noble house psyker

[crystal forum]

totally not suspicious

[rose thorn]

their synbol is litearlly their own chapter symbol

[humble shoal]

if you want loyalist thousand suns.... just run ||the grey knights||

[crystal forum]

because M is one thousand in roman numbers

[rose thorn]

'oh shit we ran out of chapter symbols, go look in teh back for osme extras'

[crystal forum]

very original

[rose thorn]

pls make this cannon gw you keep being flip flop about it

[humble shoal]

thought it was canon at this point

from the later heresy novels

[crystal forum]

@rose thorn name this

[humble shoal]

the north stars

[rose thorn]

i literally adopted that chatper

[crystal forum]

NAME IT

[rose thorn]

FUCK

[humble shoal]

chapter master kenshiro

[crystal forum]

FOOL

[humble shoal]

of the north star chapter

[rose thorn]

IMPERIAL STARS

GOT DAMN IT

[crystal forum]

you're close

[humble shoal]

probably dippers

[rose thorn]

i wrote lore for them and then immiedtally made it itno my own chapter

[humble shoal]

you got pauldrons

[crystal forum]

they have the bisexual armour colour

[humble shoal]

gotta see the constelationsa

i like sharks

[rose thorn]

ironically my favorite

ironcially

[crisp heath]

That might work... idk.

[rose thorn]

sshhhh

thats not cannon anymore

[humble shoal]

my favorite homebrew guard is the New Terran Rangers

[crisp heath]

@humble shoal I really appreciate all your input so far though for sure

[crystal forum]

@rose thorn

[rose thorn]

space sharks and charcaradons are teh same chapter

[rose thorn]

angels ravangers?

revengant angels?

[crystal forum]

no

[rose thorn]

damn it

[crystal forum]

no

[rose thorn]

what was it

[crystal forum]

starts with D

[rose thorn]

desamators?

[crystal forum]

second word starts with W

[crisp heath]

Dick walkers

Lolol

[rose thorn]

i swear to god if its death warriors

[green loom]

Death Wardens?

[crystal forum]

doom warriors

[rose thorn]

THATS SUCH A TERRINLE NAME

[green loom]

Jay I swear my use of warden had no ulterior meaning

[green loom]

Also turns out they're an actual chapter

[crystal forum]

they're literally just cranky sleep deprived space marines

[rose thorn]

nova marines?

[humble shoal]

yup

[crystal forum]

i will remember this

[humble shoal]

you lnow who has the dumbest name

[rose thorn]

citation needed

[green loom]

I SWEAR

[rose thorn]

rainbow warriors

[green loom]

I only realized after

[green loom]

Also guess who

[rose thorn]

isnt that marines ultra?

[green loom]

No

[rose thorn]

it was something dumb

[crystal forum]

@rose thorn these ones have actual lore

[green loom]

Are those the destroyers?

[crystal forum]

no

two words in their name

[humble shoal]

that the green dragons

[crystal forum]

no green nor dragon

[rose thorn]

oh thats uh, i want to say delta something

wait

no

[green loom]

Also no one has guessed mine reee

[rose thorn]

i cant rememebr

[crystal forum]

wait no only one word

wiki just calls them the X chapter

[rose thorn]

mauraders?

[humble shoal]

yeah no idea what that is

[rose thorn]

NO FUCKING WAUY

HANG ON

[humble shoal]

assuming ultramarines successor though

[green loom]

Praetors of Orpheus smh

[rose thorn]

oka thats ac tually ac ool name

[crystal forum]

it's the aurora chapter

[humble shoal]

I don't care about the ultramarines successor chapters

[crystal forum]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Aurora_Chapter#

[green loom]

Skill issue

[rose thorn]

oh yeaaa

those guys are neat

i olove these guys but i refuse to paint them

[rose thorn]

this is litearlly my favorite space marien chapter name

[rose thorn]

absolvers

[green loom]

No

[rose thorn]

fuck

[crystal forum]

i think these guys just look cool

discount custodians

[rose thorn]

igot these two mixewd uo

WIA

TTHATS THE

DOOM EAGLES

I REMMEBER

[green loom]

Yes

[rose thorn]

THEY WEAR CHAINS

RIGHT?

[humble shoal]

gee I wonder what the blood goblet chapter is a successor of

exorcists are cool

[crystal forum]

@rose thorn

[green loom]

No idea

[rose thorn]

Mauraders?

i know thats a devs oc chapter

i forgot waht it was called

[crystal forum]

no but name is similar

[rose thorn]

i got nothing i know its realted to the mauraders but that sit

[rose thorn]

guys waht chapter tehse gusy are a successor of

[crystal forum]

if this helps

[rose thorn]

mauraders was the yellow one, i wan tto say uh

DESTROYERS

its teh destroyers chatper

[crystal forum]

no

[rose thorn]

fuck

[crystal forum]

invaders

[rose thorn]

idk

gdo damn it

that ssuch a dumb name

im salty

this is my faovirte chatper color shceme wise probably

[green loom]

Go next

[rose thorn]

oh i got one for y'all its pretty ez

[rose thorn]

holy shit its blood borne

[crystal forum]

@rose thorn possibly the most fruity chapter

guess the name

[rose thorn]

rainbow warriors again

[crystal forum]

oh

[rose thorn]

or the death strike

if you are lame

be gay not strike

uwu

[rose thorn]

something counciL?

[crystal forum]

another mystery yellow

no

[rose thorn]

i cant remmebver

oh the symbol is a hawk with a hood

tahts cute

[crystal forum]

solar hawks

[rose thorn]

thats a cute name

[crystal forum]

pretty cool name for once

[rose thorn]

shame they are yellow

[green loom]

[rose thorn]

[green loom]

Scalpers figured out how to break the website with bots

So they're basically the only ones who got stuff lol

[rose thorn]

counter argument, googly any book with pdf

[crisp heath]

@green loom what's sad is it'd be extremely easy to program counter-bots against that to stop scalpers, and yet no one does because fuck these corporations.

Not even the corporations themselves do it because it doesn't actually affect them any

[crystal forum]

this is one of the only times where i understand why people would want a signed hard copy

it is the last book of the horus heresy after all

and dan abnet

[crystal forum]

let me guess, they just had bots on the site the day before and constantly refreshing to not get kicked out

yesterday i was trying to buy minis without even knowing about the book and there was still a queue

so the queue ended up preventing normal people from buying the books while giving scalpers the time to buy them all up

why even bother putting up the website GW? just ship the merchandise directly to third parties if this is what you want to happen

[crisp heath]

To beat basically every scalper bot, marketers should change to a tool that can do the following instead of using Captcha:

1. look for automation frameworks and headless browsers.

2. Inference will decipher whether a request has come from a bad bot, a good bot, or a human, without needing to let any of the requests in, as is the case with today’s outdated legacy systems.

3. Rather than forcing the user to do all of the work, we make the bot do all of the hard work. We do this with cryptographic challenges, customizable responses, and fighting automation with automation.

Use an approach that will exhaust computer resources, making it too costly to hack into your system. This not only prevents attacks now but in the future as well. Threat actors will know that it is simply not worth targeting your business.

4. Conduct a deep analysis of traffic patterns and adversarial techniques via assessing all sensor and request data.

Whatever learned from the data is added to the client inspection procedure in real-time, without code upgrades being required. This enables instantaneous and continuous feedback and updates.

@green loom Kasada is a service out right now that does all this. Companies are aware. They just choose not to do anything because technically their products are getting "sold" and their websites are generating "good" traffic. So they've no reason to actively change unless they feel bad for the consumer, and how often do they feel like that?

[green loom]

I'd hope they actually do something since I imagine the bots permaqueueing the site impacted digital sales

[crystal forum]

it definitely nearly impacted my sale

if i wasnt so determined to buy aggressors i'd say fuck it and keep my money

i had to reload the page like 6 times

[crisp heath]

That happens. And that's about the only time they'll consider it, is when it impacts sales

Till it does, they don't care

[crystal forum]

the website is nearly unusable today

the whole limited edition thing is just dumb

but it's even dumber when all it does now is feed scalpers

[velvet imp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCHbyiRGI30

[plush mason]

Abelard is just great. literally a tide turner in the later acts

[sacred ginkgo]

Abelard fell off late game because argenta just overshadowed my entire godamned party

We were a buff machine for her

She no joke beat ||THE LORD INQUISITIOR’S|| ass in 1 turn

And the other 13 enemies

And then she did the next encounter in like 2

[crisp heath]

Lol damn... and I still can't get the game to just stay on and run appropriately on Xbox for the life of me.

[plush mason]

rip

[sacred ginkgo]

The only reason argenta was that strong was because of a random ass backpack that buffed rate of fire by BS bonus/3

Which utterly breaks her because you can get the soldier heroic action on her second Bring it down! turn and make 14 SHOTS that each give versatility stacks

And none of them can miss because bolter casing

[velvet imp]

To be fair, Argenta just murders the entire enemy forces in 1 or 2 turns as a Arch-Militant thanks to constant turns and her bolter. However, Abelard is still needed to tank and keep aggro the more meaty enemies.

[potent karma]

Does the Inquisition still try to enforce the "you can't know about daemons" in Era Indomitus?

[sacred ginkgo]

The final boss of act five was the only thing that lived past round 1 in act 5

Abelard straight up was a hindrance because if he ever got hit I knew he would die instantly

[velvet imp]

I avoided his fight due to saying I will help him earlier in the storyline but still he died later in the ending because he was deemed dangerous due to his plan obviously going to fail but he was still going with it and my Star kid instant killed him.

[velvet imp]

if you mean in rogue trader, he does not try to hide knowledge of daemons

[sacred ginkgo]

He lives through it because plot so I can’t steal his sick inquisition power armor

[velvet imp]

at this point, he knows the entire region been fighting daemons for a long time

[potent karma]

I mean in the Imperium as a whole

[crisp heath]

It depends on where you are

[velvet imp]

ya depends on where you are and when it is set

[potent karma]

Era Indomitus, after the Cicatrix Maledictum

[velvet imp]

knowledge of daemons are better hidden in regions that get less daemon activity

[potent karma]

I see

[velvet imp]

but areas known to constantly get attacked is best not to hide them

since it will be almost impossible due to constant Heretical daemon attacks

[crisp heath]

If you are out on the fringe, and it's a daily part of your life, having some knowledge is deemed a part of life, so long as you don't spread it. If you are closer to Solaris, and have no reason to know about it, then yes you will be killed on sight.

[plush mason]

afaik that whole thing was only for the citizens anyway. like void ship crews and the guard and what not would have to know about them

[crisp heath]

This^

[potent karma]

Tell that to the guardsmen after First War of Armageddon

[crisp heath]

It depends heavily on a number of things and the importance of your regiment

Though yes, after the conflict is done, expect to be put down

[plush mason]

wasnt the whole of the first war for armageddon hidden?

[crisp heath]

Idk I think so but I'm not 100% on that

[plush mason]

yeah i think it was stated that as far as most people in the imperium and even on armageddon know there was only 2 wars for the planet and both where against the orks

take that with a grain of salt tho because i cant remember where

[potent karma]

How would the Inquisition enforce that when there's even warp pockets in the Sanctus side?

[plush mason]

just kill everyone that tries to leave them ofc

ofc warpstorms like that tend to do that job for them

[crisp heath]

OK, so again, if you are around those pockets and in service, say as a grunt in the militarum, you will be allowed knowledge during your service. But afterward, like I'm Armageddon, there will be a purge of forces ti halt any chaos taint from spreading

@plush mason also yes, I found where you were talking about

[sacred ginkgo]

Is it known where on that map the Koronus Expanse is?

[plush mason]

yes

[crisp heath]

The first war of Armageddon was expunged by the inquisition after, which lead to the Months of Shame and finally to a mini war between the Gret Knights and the Space Wolves. The Grey knights specifically I think say that

[plush mason]

its past the Halo stars

[plush mason]

ok thought it had to do with the months of shame

[river pollen]

Just a quick question as I’m a 40K lore noob

Is there a lore reason why so much Imperium tech use actual human skulls like the door controls, Scanners, and those data Interrogator things?

Also are they like still alive? Kinda like how the medic robot guy can talk and gets sad when he runs out of healing stuff

[sacred ginkgo]

No wonder getting back to the imperium sucks you have to go past the EYE OF TERROR

[crisp heath]

The Koronus Expanse is accessed through the Koronus Passage, also known as "the Maw," a treacherous but navigable route through the great Warp storms that bar passage to the Halo Stars beyond the way station of Port Wander on the edge of the Expanse.

[plush mason]

AI was outlawed because long ago the AI rebelled and almost wiped out humanity

so now anything that needs an advanced computer to work is most likely done by a labotomized survitor

[crystal forum]

yes they're "alive". servitors are lobotomized humans that act like computers. why a skull? the imperium has a fetish for it

[sacred ginkgo]

That's an old map, neat to know Winterscale was a thing at that point and continued being real

[plush mason]

the servoskulls are also seen as a great honor by most. because they let the person serve even after death

[river pollen]

Thanks guys I kinda guessed the skulls were there for the ascetic because Fantasy empire use lots of skull imagery

[river pollen]

Makes sense pretty interesting

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3-qDCo0i9o

this has some great lore about the servitors

[crisp heath]

The lore reason is during the dark/golden age of humanity, ai rebelled in such a grand fashion humans almost went extinct. afterwards, humans were deathly afraid of Ai, but needed something that could take its place. So they used human brains instead. Ie- skulls are everywhere and in everything that runs advanced processing, with living human brains doing the computations

[river pollen]

Thanks

[crystal forum]

adeptus ridiculous isn't a very reliable source of lore, just an FYI

[plush mason]

yeah but not many YTers will even talk about the servitors

[crisp heath]

Because there not much to talk about honestly, they're slave labor and replacements for computer hardware... that's about all

[plush mason]

true

[crystal forum]

you're falling into the 40k stereotype of having to explain all lore for simple questions

i dare you to explain chaos space marines in a couple of sentences

[crisp heath]

Lol... bro if me bringing up one minor time period which is integral to why Ai aren't around and brains are used, 40k lore might just not be for you

[plush mason]

i can try. it would be memey as all hell tho

[crisp heath]

Supersoldiers who sold their souls or got tricked by eldritch, otherworldly forces to rebel against a father that never cared for them.

One sentence.

Youre welcome

[plush mason]

lol nice

[crystal forum]

nicely done

[plush mason]

no joke i would have called them "supersoldier man-children"

[crystal forum]

that's just the primarchs

[plush mason]

thats all space marines

all of them are basically teenagers in terms of maturity

super smart teenagers but still teenagers

combination of their raising and their armor leads to them never really maturing

dont need to be careful when you are a living weapon incased in armor that is all but immune to most small arms

[crystal forum]

i dont think that's very lore accurate ☝️

[crisp heath]

It really depends. This is a fallacy people fall into sometimes, with a lot if things. We see spacemarines and think of them as a monolith when in actuality they vary wildly just like the average person does, just like the primarchs do from one another. Some are geniuses, some imbeciles. Some wise beyond anyone's years, some are foolhardy. It just depends on who you are talking about.

[green loom]

The trick to 40k lore is realizing barely anything matters and that surface level info is okay

[plush mason]

true

[crisp heath]

Take for instance the Armageddon war we just mentioned. Grimnar was a foolish idiot. Bjorn was wise, smart, and obviously the better leader of the two

[plush mason]

yeah it doesnt help some authors are massive stans and others are massive haters. so in one book they will super gods and in another they will be idiots that die in droves

[crystal forum]

the only lore that matters relates to father sun amiright

[green loom]

Who's that

[crystal forum]

you fool

[crisp heath]

I'm getting really tired of this...

[green loom]

I got lost in the mountain, who are you people, do you bring word from Helmgart?

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/god-emperor-rainbow-warhammer-40k-gif-14288832

[crystal forum]

what is this new kind of power armour

[crisp heath]

@crystal forum if you aren't here to actually participate in any real way, and all you are going to do is insult people and troll, there's going to be issues.

[green loom]

Me improooouoououving

I don't think he insulted me

[crystal forum]

wait you drew that?

[green loom]

Yeah

A few hours ago

[plush mason]

lord i wish. i would wear it in a heart beat

love the cape

[crystal forum]

bruh everybody's becoming pro level while i can't bother to start learning

[green loom]

It's inspired by some state troops in one of the vermintide trailers if it looks familiar

[green loom]

I'm going slowly

[plush mason]

dont worry. im horrible and i actually took some art classes lol

[green loom]

These were yesterday

[crystal forum]

also the only times i insult ed is when he brings up the game that shall not be named

[green loom]

The Basin Sionnach

[crystal forum]

the clanshead valley

[green loom]

Even then it's mostly banter I figure, the only people I hate are from a specific group

[crystal forum]

the only people i hate are those who disagree with me

ferrus manus is the best primarch

[green loom]

He is dead, so I agree

[plush mason]

so. the Vostroyan firstborn exist purely because they where too busy making weapons for the imperium to send soldiers to the imperium during the heresy

and in punishment every family on the planet has to give their firstborn child to the guard forevermore

[crisp heath]

Very much so

[plush mason]

so their whole crime was not helping enough lol

[crisp heath]

Basically, from my understanding, due to the bureaucratic monster that is the imperium, the orders either arrived late or were ignored.

Either way they got fucked

[plush mason]

they flat out refused them

and it wasnt till after the heresy that the Administratum noticed the refusal

[crisp heath]

Riiiight!!! I remember now. Basically they had the opinion that their labor was more important than supplying soldiers, and yea, basically the imperium don't play around with that shit

[plush mason]

ofc it was that long after as big G was still around

[crisp heath]

Lol so now they're forced to give even more than they would have originally. AND have to meet the quotas they had before

[plush mason]

yup

but at the time it was a damned if you damned if you dont

[crisp heath]

Nah, they really should have just sent then men

Originally I mean

[plush mason]

and tbch i would rather have terra pissed at me than mars