40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

we don't know enough about the process but they're still classified as "abhumans"

[crisp heath]

Kinda like the Mass Effect Andromeda Kett

[versed ledge]

If the votaan are clones, who and where are the originals?

[crisp heath]

They were humans that separated prior to the golden ages fall

[arctic talon]

they aren't literal clones technically

more of a designer baby

[crisp heath]

This^

They're bred from a gene stock left by their founders

[celest dome]

Brand New World type of stuff

[arctic talon]

tbh if they threw in Xenos DNA into the creation process

assuming the crucibles know how to handle it I'd assume they'd be used to make an "offshoot" version so to speak

[versed ledge]

*Brave New World

Still I gotta admit, the thought of designer babies is appealing

[celest dome]

Is it ?

I mostly see the excess that I could see some people do to it

[crisp heath]

Right. Which, I don't see why the crucible couldn't handle it. At the end of the day, as long as it's biology, it should be able to play together at the genetic level if all the checks are done appropriately. One would assume at least. In my mind, it'd really be like the Kett, in that some get some genetics from these sets of xenos, some get these sets. But just like, imagine... The Votaan could very quickly become op within a generation

@arctic talon

[versed ledge]

Yes, that would be impeccably useful

Inputting ideal genetic xeno traits to bolster an entire race

[crisp heath]

... bro... excess? We are talking about making humans. Excess is ok. Its the checks that matter. Im all for super powers, i want the super strength, but my bones need to also be durable enough to withstand it. I want the healing factor, but we have to be able to stop it from becoming cancer. So on @celest dome

[versed ledge]

Of course in wh40k

[fervent folio]

Greetings Lore men and women of the 41st millenium. I have a question. In several of the books that focus on the astra militarum (gaunts ghosts, ciaphas cain) the smell of the battlefield is described as the smell of las discharge, gunpowder and something called ficalene ? What is this ficalene thing? Im probably spelling it wrong too. English isnt my first language, sorry ^^

[rocky gale]

Fyceline, it's like a blasting powder

Used in explosives and stuff

[fervent folio]

I see

okay, that makes things a bit clearer. Thanks a lot ^^

[sacred ginkgo]

Equivalent of Nitroglycerin

[crisp heath]

Basically yea

Think that acrid, burn in the nose feeling you get after you pop a firecracker times a thousand

It's kinda like if yellow phosphorous had a love child with tnt from everything ive read

[coarse pumice]

Usually the revamp is just a re-sculpt of the original concept to a modern standard instead of a redesign

but primaris were not that

the ones that were are terminators

the old models didn't go out of support, because the new model just represents the same unit

with primaris, there were distinct rules differences

it was handled in basically the worst way possible

[waxen hedge]

the fact that the eldar did all the debaucherous slaanesh stuff before she existed makes me agree with the imperium to not trust them

[humble shoal]

looks like its fysolene (40k gasoline basically)

[coarse pumice]

that's wrong, the Eldar that live today are the ones that did not do all the debaucherous slaanesh stuff

[humble shoal]

drukhari

[coarse pumice]

the ones that did were immediately consumed

[humble shoal]

drukhari are still doing the debauchery

[coarse pumice]

yeah, but unlike humans they don't straight up worship chaos

[humble shoal]

fair

thought technically slaanesh owns all of their asses

[coarse pumice]

when it happened, the ones that followed slaanesh were consumed instantly, which saved Asdrubael Vect who was part of a bunch of future sacrifices to call on what would become slaanesh iirc

though drukhari culture is more similar to the core world culture

[humble shoal]

yeah

but just saying, your option are sociopath eldar with no emotions

or drukhari

I'd keep em at bolter range

[waxen hedge]

i meant more like the fact they have the capacity in them to channel a chaos god without ones influence

i know about the exodites and craftworlds and tbf yvraine did a whole bunch of good for the imperium even though guillimans ressurection serves their own interests

[humble shoal]

hear me out guys

what if all humans

became

DIGGANOBZ

[coarse pumice]

let me reveal some cursed knowledge

[waxen hedge]

there is a bunch of humans who think they are orks somewhere but i forget their names

diggas thats it

[humble shoal]

those are digganobz

[keen nova]

Hey lads, What optic does a standard kantrel lasgun use? In the art I've seen we don't get that arch holographic that's in darktide. Sometimes I see irons and sometimes I see that white tube up top having a colored end. (Integral optic? It's removed in darktide? )

[waxen hedge]

oh right oops

[humble shoal]

probably irons

sights are expensive

example cadian

[keen nova]

That tube up top protrudes a lot more than other examples I've seen. That seem tube is removed on the dark side version...
Why remove it if they're just going to put an optic on top? I've seen some others refer to it as a heat sink.

[humble shoal]

those would be the irons

[keen nova]

I've seen a few different schematics but Knowing which one is legit Is something I didn't check for

[keen nova]

Wot??

[humble shoal]

what I want is this chaddery

full voidsuit

[keen nova]

Forget fighting in the Hive city, people in the morning star would kill us for this.

[humble shoal]

true

but would they be able to?

[keen nova]

We're aluric class operatives in this mofo

[humble shoal]

yup we auric

[keen nova]

The interrogator said it's my turn with the void suit

[rose thorn]

wjat tje fuck is the ryza

[storm jungle]

The Imperium basically does the exact same stuff

people tend to forget this a lot

[waxen hedge]

not at the same level atall the whole of eldar society devolved into debauchery once there war on every race was done

only a minority didnt contribute

[storm jungle]

Its pretty much the same level at this stage

the galaxy is literally torn in half because of humans

[waxen hedge]

maybe chaos in general but defo not slaanesh

[storm jungle]

Eldar also waged war on nobody

they just languished and did nothing before sliding into decay out of boredom

[waxen hedge]

the necrons until they disappeared into their tomb world

[storm jungle]

its not an exclusive thing to them, any living advanced society tends to fall to hedonism

[waxen hedge]

also the orks were kicking about

[storm jungle]

Yeah so two races who literally want everyone dead

not exactly paragons of virtue

[waxen hedge]

the heightened emotion of the eldar drove them into some dark places humanity hardly ventured to ( they did just not at the same level)

[storm jungle]

Pretty much, humans just kinda couldn't speedrun as fast

especially since with the Siege of Terra its confirmed the Emperor was going to be birthed into a new chaos god and literally kill almost all of humanity

an event he fucked up into happening lol

[waxen hedge]

yeah if we won all our wars i 100 percent think they would devolve into the same level of hedonism

[storm jungle]

Yeah its the fate of any advanced society like i said before

and humanity was already kinda there with the Dark Age of Tech

lots of genetic experimentation and super-science running wild because "lol i can do it"

https://tenor.com/view/jurassic-park-jurassic-world-spared-no-expense-expensive-ballin-gif-3734237251951290856

[waxen hedge]

i guess its possible humans where doing some slaanesh things aswell its just not as well covered as the eldar because it spawned a whole faction of plastic crack

[storm jungle]

Im not complaining dude those minis do look pretty good

also ill take your entire stock

[waxen hedge]

i wanted to make a skaven army

https://tenor.com/view/vince-mcmahon-sad-nostalgia-gif-17540086145397943374

[storm jungle]

[waxen hedge]

just wanted some doomwheels gw...

https://tenor.com/view/doomwheel-skaven-pwned-gif-24492034

[storm jungle]

DAMN that elector count got FUCKED UP

[crisp heath]

@storm jungle the thing with the Eldar was two fold, they have emotions of such depth humans simply can't fathom it, for one, so not only did it act as an impetus, driving them on to higher and higher states of debauchery and excess foreign to any human, (literal Cenobite shite), their impact on the warp was far greater.

That said, an argument could be made the Imperium is doing worse then them in the scale of their actions, not the severity. The Eldar ruled the galaxy for millenia after the necrons. And basically, throughout all that time, wasted it throwing a neverending party/or&y/torture sesh. So much so that two factions separated, the Exodites and Craftworlds, and still all they did was hide, either in the web way or backwater, hidden worlds. Their actions always were contained to themselves, for the most part. It wasn't until after Slanesh that they were forced to turn their attentions outward to other species. Humans, on the other hand, have been on campaign against the entire galaxy, basically since they made it out to the stars. Their excess and evil has and always will splash on everything in range, themselves included.

[waxen hedge]

i wonder when humanity will create a chaos god

actually wait

[crisp heath]

They basically did

[waxen hedge]

i guess the emperor is

[crisp heath]

And he turned it down

Yea

Literally

[waxen hedge]

he has his own "demons" even

[crisp heath]

In the final hours heresy book, to keep himself from "ascending" he separated out a portion of himself (the starchild) before he took the throne

Literally stopping himself from becoming the 5th chaos god at that time

[waxen hedge]

ive yet to read the horus heresy

[storm jungle]

Good. Don't.

[waxen hedge]

gonna finish dark imperium then start it

[crisp heath]

It's pretty good. Sangy got done wrong

Lol or listen to Dilara

[waxen hedge]

i know its alot but ive heard theres alot of good moments ive heard alot of good about galaxy in flames specifically

[storm jungle]

Basically do not read all the fucking books, most of them are schlock or trash.

Go with actual recommendations otherwise you're gonna waste actual years reading through all this slop

[storm jungle]

that yeah

[crisp heath]

Definitely this

[waxen hedge]

yeah ive noticed even in dark imperium theres alot of "filler"

i dont need 2 chapters descrbing a knight running into another knight killing it then attacking a siege tower and dying

[storm jungle]

Bro

i cannot begin to tell you how much of that shit I skipped

Knight players going "wojak point" over that stuff while here i am falling asleep

[crisp heath]

🤣 I swear probably all of us did

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/i-sleep-luigis-mansion3-luigi-gif-25855154

[waxen hedge]

i like the guardsmen chapters the characters are cool

[crisp heath]

The guardsmen always get love

[waxen hedge]

until they are murdered immediately

the last one was by friendly fire of a sister of battle

poor devorus

[crisp heath]

They are usually written fairly well... till you get to the kriegers and the like...

Love the Kreigers... but damn does their writing suck most the time

[waxen hedge]

i also wanna read genefather

cawl is interesting

[crisp heath]

Very. Dudes a hellova deep dive though

[waxen hedge]

hes very interesting to me as he seems to always know whats going on more than most

even during cadias fall he was talking to trazyn i believe about the purpose of the pylons

[crisp heath]

There's reasons for that but if you're actually going to read up on him I don't want to spoil things for you

[storm jungle]

But basically the most unbiased recommendation I can give is watching this vid of Arbitrator Ian

https://youtu.be/I1m8gmu3Nyc

No bias, all facts, honest reviews for every single book from Horus Rising to Buried Dagger

[crisp heath]

Ian's dope

[storm jungle]

Also yeah hes super chill, love the guy

just watch him and decide yourself from there

you need to be an actual nutcase to ready every 55 book lmao

[crisp heath]

🤣 truly

[waxen hedge]

i already know the basic overview of the whole horus heresy so was thinking of just reading parts that interest me

[storm jungle]

Yeah but still safe to watch it imo

you can easily fall into the pitfall of "Oh i thought this book was neat but i hated it"

[crisp heath]

That video will be perfect for you then

Should give you directions to what you want

[waxen hedge]

oh ok ill give it a watch then

[storm jungle]

Yeah and if you want the SHORT-SHORT version theres a guy in the comments who made an entire list of what Ian says in the video

with star reviews included

[waxen hedge]

i also guessed they would have alot of filler considering the heresy doesnt start properly until book 3

[arctic talon]

The first 5 books

Don’t have much filler

Ironically

[storm jungle]

Found it, its the top pinned comment, just gotta expand to read

[waxen hedge]

i am interested in how horus falls so thats good to hear

[crisp heath]

Some of the fillers nice, if you like the worldbuilding and stuff, but it really just depends on how much effort the authors put in

[storm jungle]

dont... expect much there

not really spoilers but he just gets stabbed

[crisp heath]

Yea

[storm jungle]

and turns evil

lmao

[crisp heath]

🤣

[storm jungle]

The first few books also showcase the fact that the HH was suppose to be only 7 Books

then uhhhhhhhhh

[arctic talon]

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/digital-pratik-sales-profit-revenue-pratik-gif-27603647

[arctic talon]

The tidal wave

[storm jungle]

You get this shit

[waxen hedge]

i wish it was only 7 books i know from experience that isnt too long

[storm jungle]

Yeah but like we said its no biggie

a lot of the books fall between mediocre/average

the good ones slap REALLY good

the bad ones stink like SHIT

[waxen hedge]

ive read extracts from galaxy in flames

and its taking everything in me to not abandon my current book

[storm jungle]

Yeah just finish it up then start

[arctic talon]

What are you reading rn

[storm jungle]

you can finish most BL books in like 2-3 days

[arctic talon]

Anyways

[waxen hedge]

plague war

[storm jungle]

Ah

[arctic talon]

Plague war is

fine

[waxen hedge]

its jumping between very interesting and very much filler

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Yeah the entire plague war series is not great

i legit snored my way through the entire series

[waxen hedge]

too many pointless battle scenes

[storm jungle]

^

[waxen hedge]

could be summed up in a paragraph or two but they spend two whole chapters describing how stinky the battlefield is

[storm jungle]

Its literally generic Ultramarine scene after generic Ultramarine scene mixed with "Oooh plague marine and nurgle stuff thats kinda neat"

[waxen hedge]

ultramarines are one of the more boring chapters

[storm jungle]

it tells you a lot when you got loyalists in the cover and im more interested in the shit (literally) the chaos characters are doing

[storm jungle]

They CAN be good

once you read Know No Fear you'll realise this

[waxen hedge]

same the chaos chapters are the best so far

[storm jungle]

its just entirely down to the writer

[arctic talon]

Oh hey

[waxen hedge]

i enjoy mortarion and the great unclean ones

[arctic talon]

He rated one of my favorite HH books 4 with a thumbs up lol

[waxen hedge]

girlyman and his imperial knights are more boring

[storm jungle]

which one is it

[waxen hedge]

i also am not a huge fan of frater mathieu

[storm jungle]

yeah hes not interesting lol

[arctic talon]

Shadows of treachery

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah that is GOOD

[waxen hedge]

i dont need to know about each and every time he flaggelates himself

[arctic talon]

The other one I really like being 4 is mechanicum

But I’m biased

[storm jungle]

Nah thats also praised

like a lot of Ian's good review ones in the video are the novels literally everyone likes

then you got shit like

Battle for the Abyss

who only braindead people would like

no offense

[waxen hedge]

well the battle chapters are the most boring and a book names after a battle doesnt sound too intriguing

they wouldnt be so bad if they were concise

[arctic talon]

Nah talleran is peak

And that book is like

99% violence

Lol

[waxen hedge]

describing the acid pitted walls over and over isnt fun

also they keep describing how galatan is laid out

[arctic talon]

Also has this piece of art as its cover

That’s been misused as phosphex

[waxen hedge]

i really dont care how a star fortress looks

im guessing it looks like metal corridors with rooms i dont need 4 chapters of exposition

some battle scenes are good

[arctic talon]

Also has the elusive blue Las cannon

[waxen hedge]

i enjoyed the guardsmen bolus and varens vs the death guard in book 1

[arctic talon]

I just realized something

The druhkari don’t use chainswords

Which means either they got invented post fall or during the fall by the craftworld eldar separately

Or they were considered garbage or outdated weapons during the height of the eldar empire

[waxen hedge]

i mean i imagine dying to a normal sword wound would be slower therefore less painful

[arctic talon]

The tearing of the chainsaw part is prolly way more painful then bleeding out

[waxen hedge]

i guess but it wouldnt last very long

a stab wound would leave you bleeding out slowly in pain

[arctic talon]

True

You can prolong it with a messed up blade

[waxen hedge]

they also use whips and stuff i think

[arctic talon]

Those are neuro corrosive whips or blades yeah

I’m not sure what neuro corrosive entails but I’d assume incredibly painful

[waxen hedge]

based on what fulgrims swords did to guilliman i think its a toxin that causes alot of pain in your nervous system

[arctic talon]

Prolly

Oh also the fear factor I guess

A chainsword is identifiable to a human

Even if it’s a weird eldar one

[crisp heath]

Going off purely the name, it corroded neurons. So technically, it may not cause pain at all. The brain has no nerves after all, it can't actually feel anything. That's why brain surgeries are usually done with the patient conscious. Likely what it sounds like is a weapon that targets cognitive function, like a tazer for the brain. Each time it hits you, more neurons get fried until eventually you are left in a vegetative state. If not dead from the wounds it inflicts.

I could be wrong though. Just my inference based off the name

[arctic talon]

Oh

That might make sense

It’s used in raids

So

You can’t really damage the goods as hard ig

[crisp heath]

I don't know for certain, so take with a grain of salt, but that's what I'd gather

[jagged glacier]

i watched a thing on the space different space marines, why did they have to "find" all the leaders?

[green loom]

The evil space gods manipulated someone and had them all flung across the galaxy in their test tubes

[fervent folio]

Wasnt it their mom that yeeted them through space ?

Whats her name

That other perpetual

[green loom]

Erda

[fervent folio]

Ye

her

also, just to put it out there

Erebus is (i cant say what I want to say or it gets automodded)

[crisp heath]

Lol, yes. Erebus is garbage, but he's garbage in a good way. Think about it. His character is the best written villian in all of 40k. He's the one that without a thought, everybody hates. His character is purely what it is. This speech truly sets the tone to him for me. Yes, he is vile. Yes, he is ugly. Yes, yes, yes. And he revels in it. He has accepted that part of himself from the very beginning, and used it like a psychopath uses their unique mindset to climb corporate ladders.

[Excerpt][Child of chaos] Erebus's motivation:

And for all of this, I am hated.
For being there at the outset, for laying the foundations that others would willingly build on. I think they wish to find something in this story that explains things - some moment of decision, some choice that could later be regretted or accounted for. But it's just as I said - none exists. I have always been on this road, never turning never deviating.
A long time ago, aware of my limitations, I formulated an expression to capture my condition: blessed is the mind too small to doubt. I am very attached to this maxim, and propagate it wherever I can. I hope it will be taken up with enthusiasm once our task is completed and the False Emperor is expunged from eternity.
For now, though, I am content. I am loathed by those I betrayed, and loathed by those I guided into betrayal. I have brought a Warmaster to the Truth, and cracked the galaxy's vaults to speed his armies. I have burned worlds, and been burned by them, and who thanks me for this? This rebellion does not even bear my name - it bears the title of the scorpion I stayed closest to, the most dangerous of the breed who will ever live.

.
Now I observe my disgrace. I consider the wounds I have suffered, and the pain that will dog me forever. I consider those that inflicted such ignominy upon me, and how they started their stories so nobly and will end them in the gutter.
They hate me not because of what I am, but because of what they were. They hate me because they turned, and I did not. The records of our enemies call us all turncoats, but I changed no allegiance. I was always here just as I am now, aware of myself and the universe that made me. I lied with every breath I ever took, except to myself. That is purity, of a kind, and something that no other soul in this grand armada of renegades can boast.
I look on Terra now from my void-cold vantage and see its huddled lights glimmer in the fragile dark. Soon the order to attack will come and the final act will be entered. The monsters I created will burst from their fetters, giving no thought to what long labours brought them here.

Horus mutilated me, my own primarch discarded me. That could be a cause for self-doubt, here on the edge of Terra's fall. That could make a lesser soul slink away, gnawing on his failure even as humanity's bastion collapses at last. But that's never been my way. I've been stung before and I always come back for more poison. I'm still the boy in the shadows of Colchis, pulling on the garrote-string and feeling my blood pump.

The old games never really ceased, in truth. Only the players changed.

.
Nothing remains to be explained. I can whisper these truths to my own screed-inscribed face, if I wish, that I can now hold up in front of my own eyes as my only audience. The ragged flesh is dry and cracking now, and will fall apart soon, but I keep it, just as I used to keep my mirrors for the same purpose.
I took this face from another man, once, to become what I wanted to be. Now it is my reminder, that all despots are fragile, and that the hand of destiny will always be despised.
Such is my power, now, I could fashion a new skin in moments. I choose not to. My face still weeps blood under my helm, glistening on flayed muscles. It hurts, and that too is a reminder.
I was there at the start. I was there before we even had names for all the things we're doing now. I have no congregation any more, but I will again. The faithful will come back, thirsty for accounts of how this feat was achieved, and I will have stories waiting for them. Such stories. Stories that will make their ears bleed and their hearts burst.
So it's not done yet, Erebus. Not yet. Just watch.
Just watch.

[green loom]

I will never change the lore(I have already changed it)

[crisp heath]

Dude.... your art is amazing. I might hit you up sometime if you take commissions?

@green loom

[green loom]

In a month probs

[crisp heath]

Hell yeah let me know

[green loom]

Got exams soonsoon

[crisp heath]

No worries I gotcha. Just whenever you're available, we'll talk

[green loom]

I'll prolly have it in my name if comms are open so just keep your eyes peeled

[crisp heath]

I'm curious lol. Probably will get laughed at a bit for this but it's whatever lol. I wonder if there'd be a way for me to bring my old Rp character into 40k. Just randomly popped into my head. He was a sorcerer/god-like character that focused mostly on spacial magic. So obviously mine would be a psycher of some kind... maybe an Eldar? And I wonder if it'd make more sense for him to be Tzeentchian....

This was the most recent art I had done of him by a friend.

Sometime at the beginning of last year

Open to opinions from anyone of ways to flavor him into 40k?

He'll need augments.... but he needs to keep his eyes, they're one of his defining physical traits. Swirling pools of mercurial liquid, no iris or pupil to speak of... maybe instead of his silver hair, he has those like, cable dreadlocks, like the cable uplinks on some of the primarchs, but just loose and flowing like hair?

And then just 40k the clothes he has there maybe? Large shoulder pauldrons on the leather jacket, boots that go over the jeans. His tattoos can be the effects of his Tzeentch worship and prolonged use of his brand of magic mutating him, turning portions of his skin into pits of space.

I think I'm onto something maybe... let me know if any of this wouldn't work for some reason.

[fervent folio]

Yup,

I think he and Lijah Cuu from gaunts ghosts are the 2 characters in all of 40k i despise the most

[crisp heath]

Fair enough lol

[desert dust]

Just stick him in a pleasure cult.

[crisp heath]

Not really the vibe he goes for. He's an avid learner and traveller, seeking new experiences as he broadens his horizons(space is always expanding- dudes a walking trope lol.) Basically he'd inevitably fall to tzeentch as he would use his powers often. He's also rebellious and flaunts authority quite often. So definitely wouldn't be a sanctioned psycher. But yeah, he's not exactly known for excess.

[desert dust]

I say pleasure cult because he looks like a musician and slanessh is all about finding new sounds and fucking shit.

[crisp heath]

I'm wondering if like... most people think it's impossible for Eldar to fall to other chaos gods but slanesh, when it's not. In chapter 24 of Path of the Incubus we have this exerpt:

Still the assault continued to rage and roar with undimmed intensity. Gibbering in desperation Caraeis reached deeper within himself, beyond himself, for the strength to endure. From somewhere deep and forbidden in his mind he heard an answering whisper from a presence he now realised had always been with him. A rushing enormity swelled in his mind, something unutterable, ancient and eldritch. He felt himself begin to expand in readiness to receive it; an arrival that he realised would obliterate him like a wind-blown candle. The idea filled his breaking mind with idiotic joy.

‘Caraeis! No!’ Aiosa shouted above the fury.

The mind-shout was close by, it was from a familiar source but such things were irrelevant to Caraeis now. His mind had shrunk to a bisected circle containing only the need to maintain the barrier and an indescribable, almost orgasmic anticipation of the arrival of the Lord of Change. He did not look with his altering eyes to see the sapphire-armoured Dire Avengers level their star throwers at his back, did not feel their monomolecular discs spinning through his mutating flesh as Aiosa ordered her Aspect Warriors to cut down the abomination he was becoming.

So falling to Tzeentch does happen. Albeit seemingly rarely. I think this is the best way to play out the character the way I'm wanting... an Eldar that strayed and dabbled a bit too far.

@desert dust oh yeah, he is a musician too but thats mostly because I am

[desert dust]

Can start him off as a psyker iterator for the imperium.

Then transition him into tzinch or slannesh

[crisp heath]

It wouldn't be slanesh. Simply just not his vibe. Tzeentch though would fit nicely.

What about his appearance?

How can we augment him to look 40k?

Because that's the hard part I'm facing in him being human in 40k is the augments

He has to keep his eyes

[desert dust]

Change him into a military trench coat and military trousers

[crisp heath]

Also not his vibe. Hates authority in any fashion. Dudes as free a bird as they come

He wouldn't join the military if they forced him to. He'd take a bullet or the black ship any day

He'll likely come out looking more like an inquisitorial agent or trader

In terms of clothes

But I mean more his augmentations?

What would make sense mechanically

[desert dust]

Free as a bird is not really a thing in 40k.
Could put him in some soul crushing job till he goes traitor

[crisp heath]

I think the dreadlocks cables is cool

Yeah it is they're just heretics

[desert dust]

Job not iterator.
Gets information addiction or what ever they call it.

Also would rather take a bullet then work for the military is kinda common for 40k they will force penal legion the whole underhive if they need men

The job I'm thinking of is the guys who scan data for inquisitors

They basically get addicted to learning and reading info

They got cables in there heads to basically upload a entire planets with of info into there brain and read it

Then report the useful parts back to the inquisitor

[crisp heath]

Lol I know, that part fits the best. Idk, I'm getting kinda behind the idea of him being some sort of navigational psychic helper of some kind, someone who helps feel realspace and it's fluctuations around a ship and is plugged in through his head cables. It would fit with his magic leaning toward spacial themes. And maybe he gets addicted to that feeling and tzeentch worms his way in? I just don't know if there's a specific job like that. But I don't think him being a spy would really fit.... I don't think that quite lends well to any particular character trait of his, but I like where your heads at... I just don't know if being a spy sort of character, or an information distribution center is really what fits... but I like the integration idea of the cables...

[desert dust]

He's not really a spy They got them in the esinhorn books and he just sits on the ship or base and jacks into the planets internet and coms traffic

[crisp heath]

I gotcha... still though, idk. Are they generally psychers in the first place?

I would like it to feel more connected, that way his magic doesn't feel like such a jump.

That's why Eldar seemed like a good idea, as their magic can kinda make leaps like that.

[rigid dune]

Tyranids has psykers right?

[radiant lance]

Yes

In the 40k new edition trailer, it's actually what kills the librarian with scary purple wave

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Zoanthrope

[rigid dune]

But the tyranid psykers does not run the risk of becoming demon portals or something like the human psykers?

[radiant lance]

Also, all tyranids are psykers to some degree to link up with the psychic phenomena that is their hive mind

Despite their power, however, Zoanthropes sometimes seem to be victims of their own massive energy reserves and there have been numerous afteraction reports of Zoanthropes “burning out” in battle. Their craniums have been observed to burst and bleed out, sending them crashing limply to the ground. Psykers who have witnessed these events liken it to the perils of the warp which normal psykers can suffer when psychic energy overloads their minds.[5]
They do the funny head pop too

Not sure how daemons interact with them

[rigid dune]

So they think so hard thier head explodes?

[radiant lance]

But the shadow in the warp phenomena does fuck up the warp around a swarm

[radiant lance]

Yeah they burn out

Like In game where we overload

[rigid dune]

And the shadow in the wars is just a huge anti psyker emp field?

[median marsh]

sort of

the sheer amount of technically soulless things creates a gigantic anomaly in their vicinity

weaker psykers get cut off entirely, others severely weakened etc

[amber crow]

Tyranids: 🤔
Also tyranids: 🤯

[radiant lance]

Shadow in the Warp is a Tyranid Psychic Power. It is as if the Tyranids have blocked out the connection to the warp, making any psychic abilities very difficult to accomplish, affecting psychic races like the Eldar most heavily. It does however have the added benefit of keeping the denizens of the warp in the warp.[1]

Yeah the shadow in the warp keeps things stuck inside the warp

So a daemon can't just pop out of someone's head

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Shadow_in_the_Warp

[rigid dune]

So its more something that disrupt the psyker wifi connection because to many users get on the network

[radiant lance]

Many scholars suggest the Shadow in the Warp is the result of a constant two way communication between the Hive mind and lesser organisms, this creates a phenomenal amount of psychic activity. The primary sources of this broadcast are the hive ships, though some other Tyranids are also capable (Broodlord, Tyrant and Warriors).[2]

Pretty much a DDoS

[rigid dune]

Ive heard that the eldar was like a counter faction to necrons because of thier psycker abilities. Is that true and if so, what makes the necros so weak against psykers compared to other races?

[tulip brook]

No connection to warp. They don't feel warp energies and they can't form warp based defenses

But, they have blackstones shutting off the warp so, they're not exactly weak to anything?

They conquered the galaxy against god frogs, supercharged elves and smart orks

[arctic talon]

They were a counter also because they relied on not getting hit

It doesn’t matter how much armor you wear against Necrons

Bcs you’re gona get fucked

The eldar favor lighter or more maneuverable armor

[queen laurel]

You can also do the Krork way

Overwhelm them with brute force

[arctic talon]

Drown them in high quality bodies and raw firepower

Also the krork prolly had some potent psykers as well

the eldar being such potent psykers is prolly since the Old Ones messed with their dna

Same applying to the Orks

[queen laurel]

At the height of their power?

Imagine how volatile their weird boys were

Even the smallest one would probably kick magnus in between the groin and fortnite dance on him

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Actually I wonder

Could the Krorks manifest gork and mork

Or were gork and mork formed bcs of the orks

Not the Krorks

[queen laurel]

Could also just be a placeholder entity made by the old ones

But then again this is the war in heaven so it could go multiple ways like a hydra's head

[arctic talon]

True

I’m just assuming the Eldars ability to summon their gods onto battlefields was engineered in

But there’s like 0 evidence for that

[queen laurel]

War in heaven is quite a duzy so i leave it be

[median marsh]

i imagine Gork and Mork were concieved by Krorks and completely manifested by the time orks were there

kinda like how Chaos Gods gradually went concious

[dusk patrol]

Hard to say one way or another

[humble shoal]

like 70% certain tyranids shadow in the warp blocks chaos from coming in, so you get chaor or nids

[humble shoal]

tbh tzeentchian sorcerer would allow your character to exist almost unchanges (assuming they end up being some sort of greater daemon)

[tulip brook]

nids had to evolve a splinter fleet just to deal with chaos so we have in universe proof chaos vs nids happened

so shadow isn't the ultimate warp protection, just a major handicap for warp powers

[crystal forum]

something annoying about astra militarum books is that there's so many vehicle and weapon names they expect you to know

like im a guard fan but i still forget what a centaur is

anyways so in the cadia book they mention leviathans which is pretty interesting. these things are so obscure that they date back to squat lore

[queen laurel]

Then you look at the classifications for the other factions

They are so comparatively easy than the imperium it's not even hilarious

[marble peak]

Flying dicks

Looking up the chaos cant in Darktide

This feels like it's venni veddi vicci

[crystal forum]

this is why ork books are great. you dont need to know what a trukk is because the author will definitely explain what it looks like since no two ork vehicles are the same

[tulip brook]

didn't one of the mods here work on those runes?

[rigid dune]

How come the gene cult is able to infiltrate different hives and such? From artwork and such they clearly look like a purple alien. You think you would notice it if your neighbour was purple no? Or am I missing something?

[crystal forum]

there's a lot of mutants and disgusting creatures in underhives. it's not hard for a patriarch to find a place to hide and slowly get more followers. also GSC look more human the more generations there are

[tulip brook]

some sickly looking bald people with creases op their forehead isn't that rare

afaik we don't really see initial phases of gsc infiltration or failed cults too, these guys are there for generations for the story point

if that look was rare at some point, now they are in many planets and common sight in imperium

[rigid dune]

But they have the same end goal as the tyranids right? Just to stock up on biomass?

[crystal forum]

fuck up a planet so much that the nids can easily feed on it

i dont think we even see that happen often anyways. they're just there in stories to be a threat

[tulip brook]

they are working for their four legged emperor to liberate them

[median marsh]

Purebred genestealers hide among the ships, remember ships are huge to the point theyre basically their own micronations

theyre really good at stealth

and on worlds which have populations of hundreds of billions its easy to hide among the very bottom

[rigid dune]

Would it make sense for them to infiltrate a forgeworld or are the mechanicus "immune" to cults due to it being to little biomass in such places?

Would ad mechs be able to detect them easier?

[crystal forum]

most hive worlds have very sizeable amounts of unaugmented workers

[median marsh]

forgeworlds have plenty of "regular' humans

[crystal forum]

and they're too busy working their pointless lives away to notice a cult

[tulip brook]

augments ain't cheap

workers are

[median marsh]

id say forgeworlds would pose a harder turf for genestealers

[rigid dune]

So how do they spread? Like with a "trust me bro, spider god is cool" or do they infect people by putting worms i thier ears?

[median marsh]

not impossible but not as desirable as a regular hive world

Purebreds use a special organ

said organ impants their DNA into the new host who then falls under psychic influence

[crystal forum]

i dont think nids care much about hive worlds but they probably do want the minerals present on a lot of them

[median marsh]

biomass

[marble peak]

I'm uncomfortable with how much the genestealers thingy is filled with spiders

[median marsh]

lots of biomass

[tulip brook]

nids care way too much about hiveworlds

[crystal forum]

less biomass than a hive world or even an agri world

[median marsh]

all these delicious humans

[tulip brook]

silent king says it's like a beacon for them

[median marsh]

im confused then, you say hive world here but then say less than a hive world?

[tulip brook]

I think he meant forgeworld

[crystal forum]

lol i meant forge world im dumb

[median marsh]

thatd make more sense

happens~

[tulip brook]

then he's right, nids wouldn't care that much about those

[median marsh]

forgeworlds are even more polluted than hive worlds so less value overall

[crystal forum]

minerals tho

all those delicious alloys already refined for them

[rigid dune]

So as soon as you get one of these in you, it's already to late?

[median marsh]

sorta ye

unless youre a space marine

[crystal forum]

space marine GSC

[median marsh]

there was a chapter that got infected but they resist the control due to marine physiology and conditioning

a normal human basically starts seeing genestealers as family so when their offspring comes out with 4 arms they dont mind at all

[crystal forum]

also this is an obvious point but remember that all lower class imperial humans have no idea what a GNC is or looks like

[median marsh]

for them itd be just another freaky xenos

[rigid dune]

So if GSC get discoverd, what would be imperiums course of action?

[crystal forum]

eradicate, like usual

[median marsh]

complete eradication of all affected

[rigid dune]

inquesition takes care of that?

[crystal forum]

possible exterminatus if the situation is bad

[normal light]

Indeed

Ordo Xenos, Ordo Hereticus

Deathwatch

[crystal forum]

whoever's present honestly. at first it's the planet governor's job of course and maybe if they're lucky they get outside help

it's literally the same process as a chaos cult

[rigid dune]

So in the case of darktide, sending in the homelessman with a flamethrower would be a viable solution?

[normal light]

We are expandable

so yeah

[crystal forum]

having a dedicated xenos killing group anywhere nearby is extreme luck

[normal light]

why not

[crystal forum]

enforcers at first. GSC will usually try to mask their revolution as a revolt from the working class

some humans might even help them unknowingly

the whole GSC aesthetic is working class gear

[median marsh]

the cult usually hides behind ideals of "Freedom and equality for all"

[rigid dune]

Would chaos be able to corrupt a person who already has the GSC worm in them?

[median marsh]

its very enticing for regular hiveworlders because their normal lives are basically Work>Sometimes sleep or eat>Work

[thick cedar]

I saw a comment on reddit saying the collars on Psykers were designed to explode in case of possession and now Im curious. Is that true?

[median marsh]

no clue where they got that from

[rocky gale]

The collars server a bunch of different purposes

[thick cedar]

It started from them speculating what this was

[crystal forum]

sanctioned psykers are already extensively trained to not be corrupted

[median marsh]

from Primaris Psyker lore it bleeds away excessive warp

[rocky gale]

Like they can be focusing crystals for their powers, they can be dampeners to supress power, they can be vents to basically cool down their powers so they don't overheat and pop.

[median marsh]

" Primaris Psyker's wargear also includes several fail-safes. Complete micro-circuitry and neuro-active wiring are connected to the psychically attuned crystals embedded in the psyker's hood or collar, designed to bleed away excess Warp energy. These, coupled with cranial surgeries undergone by the psyker to implant neural inhibitors (which tend to blunt the psyker's innate power as well), and a lifetime of training, give the psyker a reasonable chance at avoiding powerful psychic enemies and resisting daemonic influences. "

[crystal forum]

impossible to tell. it's not something that's ever mentioned

as a rule though nids and chaos don't interact much im pretty sure

[median marsh]

considering gsc victims are basically under thrall of the hivemind, id say it would be either extremely hard or downright impossible to corrupt em

simply because they no longer operate like normal humans

[crystal forum]

i honestly wouldn't be surprised if the process removes their soul and thus makes them invisible to the warp or something

[tulip brook]

chaos can influence nids but they are already heavily influenced by hivemind anyway

[median marsh]

the cult would also most likely be able to tell something is off, kinda like Orks instinctively know something is "unorky"

[tulip brook]

so uh, not a full corruption but a bit of personality change?

[rigid dune]

Being under the influence of the hivemind, does that grant you extra powers like if you are corrupted by chaos? Or is it only that you get dirty thoughts?

[crystal forum]

you're still a regular shitty human

[median marsh]

you get dubious small "perks" probably, like losing self preservation instinct in a fight

[storm jungle]

Depends on the generation

some get super-powers and become gene-ninjas or wizards

[median marsh]

Chaos corruption also doesnt really give you powers right off the bat

[storm jungle]

most are just normal cultists

[median marsh]

in fact it can actually severely debilitate you

"woops your legs are now squidward"

[crystal forum]

that reminds me though, losing self preservation is a huge buff when you think about it

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats also a big point with GS cults

productivity on worlds go up

people stop complaining

everyone is working together

[crystal forum]

ever seen a person on bath salts? we're genuinely way stronger when our body isn't power limiting us so we don't injure ourselves

[median marsh]

ok automod im sorry

it kinda is but also isnt, because fear kinda helps you not unalive yourself

[storm jungle]

^

genestealer cultists can still follow orders and strategize

[median marsh]

while lack of it makes you a scarier threat if 1v1

[storm jungle]

while still also using vermintide mob tactics

[crystal forum]

i guess i mean more of buff for your commanding officer

[median marsh]

oh Imperium would love if people lost fear

[storm jungle]

its also what makes them much more dangerous than chaos cults

they dont infight

they are all in it together

it makes it a lot more lethal

[crystal forum]

astra militarum would steamroll every faction if every human was as fearless as all the other races

[storm jungle]

Nah lmao

[crystal forum]

yes the imperium straight up outnumbers every race in the galaxy

even nids would be overwhelmed

[storm jungle]

Numbers dont mean much when you got stuff like nids and necrons

also humans got things called elderlies and kids

not every person is a soldier

[crystal forum]

throw 2 billion bodies at a nid invasion

[storm jungle]

you are just giving them biomass

[crystal forum]

nah they'd drown in bodies im sure

[storm jungle]

that strategy didnt work in Octarius, it wont work here.

so no

[median marsh]

i think theres way more nids than 2 billion during their planetary assaults

[storm jungle]

And yeah there is

[crystal forum]

2 billion is just the first wave

[storm jungle]

Doesnt matter when they get cut down

numbers dont equal victory

and never have

[median marsh]

big issue is nids replenish insanely fast

faster than orks

[storm jungle]

that too lol

[crystal forum]

nurlge wins with shitty zombies

[storm jungle]

💀

you do realise poxwalkers got support beside them from other nurgle units with actual brains instead of just being hordes of zombies right

[median marsh]

iirc they can be directed by psykers

or at least it was observed

[storm jungle]

they will basically attack any non-nurglite

but can be also directed yeah

[crystal forum]

if im wrong then valhallans arent the best fighters

[storm jungle]

I mean they aren't.

[crystal forum]

their planet didnt get blown up

[storm jungle]

it did

why do you think they live in shitty ice caves

[crystal forum]

wait what

no no

their planet got hit by an asteroid

[storm jungle]

A planet being blown up doesnt mean much.

The cadians literally had entire legions of chaos at their doorstep.

Valhalla wouldnt have lasted a month

[median marsh]

so thats where my ogryns rock went

[crystal forum]

valhallans would fight from the remains of their planet

[median marsh]

Cadia also literally had a primordial ultra fortress slam into it because Abaddon ran out of options

[storm jungle]

what remains

snowy tundras?

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah

Cadians did everything on the book

the enemy was just too many

to them the entire legions of hell were at their door

[crystal forum]

some would say the effort put into destroying cadia wasnt even worth it

[green loom]

Yeah it wasw

[storm jungle]

It 100% was

[green loom]

Just for the pylons

[storm jungle]

the entire galaxy is torn in half

[green loom]

And like, the imperium wasn't winning anyway

[storm jungle]

one side of the Imperium is also practically lost

[crystal forum]

oh right the mcguffin

i forgot

[green loom]

By the time they're in the caves pretty much everyone except them are dead

The BSF proved a liability since it actively worked against Abaddon, so he went "fuck it" and cut his losses by just destroying it

[storm jungle]

Welcome to 40k

its mcguffins all the way down

[median marsh]

memories of Maledictum in dawn of war

I AM GABRIEL ANGELOS

I WHACK ROCK

oh shit it was a demon

never comes back afterwards

the entire scene was so fucking funny

"No human, dont be an idiot"
"SMAAASH"

[storm jungle]

I like how everyone says its Taldeer's fault

yeah sorry she couldnt stop the braindead moron from smashing an obviously evil talisman

[green loom]

Unga bunga

Dilara you don't get it

Gabriel Angelos is such a good character

[median marsh]

it reminds me of someone describing marines from an eldar view point

a giant gorilla with a shotgun

and armor

[green loom]

Way better than stupid Mary sues like Guilliman or Cato

[tulip brook]

you are used to running circles around dumb chimps calling them monkeys

then the gorillas in armor come to pop your balloon

well deserved

[storm jungle]

And the gorillas still stay wrong

so not really

[tulip brook]

well, a gorilla is still gorilla

[storm jungle]

considering Angelos and the Blood Ravens fucked everything up yes

then again Dawn of War is not known for its peak writing

https://tenor.com/view/destroyer-dawn-of-war-necrons-warhammer40k-execute-gif-23633693

[tulip brook]

hey, they saved titus in space marine, blood ravens are a-ok

[storm jungle]

into the pits of tartarus with 'em

👉

[normal light]

https://tenor.com/view/dreadnought-dawn-of-war-space-marines-execute-dark-angels-gif-23567064

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/killa-kan-dawn-of-war-orks-waaagh-execute-gif-23576702

me getting tuna

[green loom]

Average night in Ipsala

(the gyros and kebab merchants are dueling)

[winged jacinth]

THE ENEMY HIDES IN THEIR... METAHL BAWKSESSS....

[crystal forum]

looking at the trailer for 10th edition again and reading the comments

the guy's kinda right when you think about it

you literally see a librarian and a captain die in that trailer to a force of just a couple nids

[dusk patrol]

It’s not “just a couple Nids”

It’s some of the most powerful nid forms which can exist

[crystal forum]

im assuming the whole force is the same as in leviathan box

[crystal forum]

isnt the leader nid killed?

i have no idea what the names are

you know the more i think about it the more astartes dont make sense

[dusk patrol]

It helps when you’re aware of what’s going on at all

[crystal forum]

there's only 1000 ultramarines but they have so many captains and other specialized units

[dusk patrol]

There’s not 1000

1000 is just the baseline for the basic dudes

Specialist roles don’t count and scouts don’t

[crystal forum]

intercessors?

yeah i know scouts dont count and some chapters take advantage of that lol

[crisp heath]

I appreciate the input. I guess I could go with the Daemon copout... just doesn't feel right. Maybe that could be like an endpoint for his character ark. But I'm trying to find a good fit job wise in the 40k universe that works with the integral concepts of his character and lends to his magic in a sense. Something that feels connected. I want to say the best fit for him might be an escaped Astropath. Someone who never got caught, but had a predilection for those abilities and projecting his consciousness to far off reaches of space to learn new things. And at some point along the way, was whispered to and guided into looking into looking into the warp, where he met the Lord of Change. Then on its been a constant battle not to change. Tzeentch had convinced him it might be possible to replicate the eldar's Farseer's ability to crystallize, hoping to achieve immortality. Sucking in an abundance of te warps energy, up to the limit of his willpower's ability to control, he set loose the spell on himself, and in a way succeeded and failed at the same time, for now he does have an "immortal" body, but instead of crystallization, he is being consumed by large patches of warp and realspace, and he can feel the demons swimming within, appearing sometimes as wriggling black tendrils within the empty voids.

Idk, rough draft of where my heads at so far.

Still trying to figure out what physical attributes I want to change to transition him in uni though

[crystal forum]

anyways i think it's funny that seeing a handful of space marines die in media can make people so mad

i dont even get how this idea that space marines are near unkillable came to be

is there any book or story that treats them as this powerful

[winged jacinth]

They're basically walking tanks but tanks are already regularly destroyed by hand weapons

[green loom]

I'll add it's probably unlikely a chapter is ever at full strength

[winged jacinth]

The 1000 marine limit is pretty silly considering the scales of the battles

[crystal forum]

even in stories where chapters are unable to get new recruits for some plot reason they still die regularly

like in soul drinkers the amount in the chapter goes from average to tiny in a few books

[storm jungle]

For the love of god do not look at 40k comment sections.

Its filled with Imperium fans who got no idea how the setting works or the fact that plot/power levels are a thing.

[winged jacinth]

There will be a situation that calls for like a million tanks and gw authors go "and then a couple chapters showed up and turned the whole tide"

[storm jungle]

"How can a space marine die???"

[storm jungle]

also this is why Imperial Armor remains king

[crisp heath]

Idk... but primarchs die brutally sooooo

Lol

[storm jungle]

a single company of marines showing up is treated as a huge deal and is

every loss they get is a huge blow

[crystal forum]

actually maybe space marine the video game is to blame

[storm jungle]

etc

no its not, space marines are not demigods

they die like anything else

ITS BEEN THIS WAY FOR 30 YEARS

[winged jacinth]

Its space marine fans lol

[crystal forum]

but in that game a single space marine kills bajillions of orks

[shadow plover]

I really wonder how do these people think the tabletop game works. Marines just win every game because they can't die?

[winged jacinth]

And maybe early books

[storm jungle]

gameplay =/= lore

[arctic talon]

Fps protagonist energy

Titus got that dog in him

[crystal forum]

i mean the reason why a lot of fans think they're that powerful. i think the game introduced 40k to a lot of the community

[winged jacinth]

Imagine being an enemy commander during a call of duty campaign

[storm jungle]

Not to sound like an asshole but notice the lack of knowledge btw, referring to tyranids as "monsters" and clearly not even knowing what they are or what they are capable of

[crisp heath]

🤣 They're demigods children. The primarchs are the demigods. They're like the bastard offshoots. Not to mention the literal devils, demons, and aliens that make gods shit britches surrounding them

[arctic talon]

Same with Kais in fire warrior lol

[storm jungle]

Because most of the enemies in the game are not that ridiculous power level wise

its usual ork mobs

[arctic talon]

Mf’er kills like half a marine company

[shadow plover]

yeah true

[winged jacinth]

Yeah there's one guy who's defeated like 8 lines of defense on his own and has taken 60 bullets without slowing down

[arctic talon]

An entire chaos warband

[storm jungle]

you kill like 1 warboss and 2 weirdboyz

[arctic talon]

Most of a guard regiment and a lord of change lol

[storm jungle]

to be fair Titus is also a Captain

and he gets access to advanced wargear

[arctic talon]

ignore the fact he was blessed by khorne

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

Tbh Titus mulching the boyz is expected

[winged jacinth]

Does 40k have an rpg equivalent

[arctic talon]

Most like high ranking marines can deal with boyz

[arctic talon]

Multiple tabletop RPGs

[rocky gale]

Tons

[arctic talon]

Newest one is malidictum

[winged jacinth]

Not that

[arctic talon]

And I’m a big fan of it

Oh

[crisp heath]

Bro. You gotta be thinking right? How many times you think khornes blessed the imperium for the fuck of it lol

[crystal forum]

meanwhile kaldor draigo trying to kill chaos gods

[winged jacinth]

Like a krak grenade on a rocket

[arctic talon]

Enough

[rocky gale]

Oh

[arctic talon]

There’s one in gaunts ghosts

Also do we count ork guns

Because the ork tankbusta’s have some goofy ass improvised launchers

[rocky gale]

The finest rocket launchers the Imperium has to offer, they don't look dumb at all.

[storm jungle]

40k basically has every single sci-fi weapon type imaginable for humans and aliens alike.

[winged jacinth]

With how often "we gotta get this krak grenade in close and someone will die" comes up youd think that MANPAT would be the guard's number 1 priority

[crystal forum]

mfw orks pull out the garage sale javelin missile launcher

[arctic talon]

Mfw it has 3 barrels

[rocky gale]

They're Rocket launchers with an underslung belt fed gatling rocket launcher

[arctic talon]

Still prolly one of my least favorite marine minis tbh

[rocky gale]

Oh yea I hate them

[crystal forum]

it's genuinely surprising how every single weapon conceived in sci fi can be found in 40k somewhere

[storm jungle]

Because its a kitchen sink setting

[winged jacinth]

Who would win
Soldier with thousands of years of experience
Hypersonic stream of molten copper

[rocky gale]

It's funny because they're universally hated but they still sell well because they're ridiculously OP on the tabletop

[storm jungle]

people see lasers and go "awooga"

https://tenor.com/view/fat-cat-laser-eyes-angry-cat-cyclops-nara-gif-26030753

[crystal forum]

i thought they were dog shit

[rocky gale]

They've been nerfed like 5 times and they're still quite strong tbh

[crystal forum]

even auspex tactics says they're shit

[rocky gale]

When they released they were ridiculously OP

[arctic talon]

They’ve been nerfed down

They’re kinda terrible now lol

Arguably got overnerfed but I’ll shed 0 fucking tears

Because they were unfun as shit

[winged jacinth]

Mf clone trooper rocket launcher lmao

[arctic talon]

Same with eldar weapon platform nerf

[rocky gale]

I thought they were still quite strong but I dunno, just know at launch they were ridiculous

[arctic talon]

That shit was way overtuned

[arctic talon]

Nah

They cost way too many points now

GW shattered their knees

Squad is worth more points then a fucking gladiator lancer lol

Or vindicator

[crystal forum]

do GW regularly do this to make people buy new stuff

[arctic talon]

No

They rarely completely break a units kneecaps

Desolaters were genuinely problematic

[crystal forum]

sorry i meant do they regularly make new units super OP

[arctic talon]

No

Most new units tend to be

Not great ironically

Or mediocre

[rocky gale]

It's usually with the release of a codex that something will become OP through combos and rules rather than on the models release

Although I hear Inceptors are OP again

[arctic talon]

Few exceptions to that rule being desolaters, the gsc sabatour lady

And like possessed lol

Inceptors are strong bcs of mass volume of fire + something else iirc

You mulch infantry/semi elite infantry

But GW ironically doesn’t push new units super hard

And when it does happen it’s an exception to the rule

[crystal forum]

finally found a low they wont sink to

[rocky gale]

I'll never forget like a year ago when they made Plasma inceptors ridiculously cheap due to an oversight in a blance slate to make the Bolter Inceptors cheaper, so all the meta chasing pro tournament players went out and bought like 15. Then when they fixed the oversight like a week later they all cried about it.

[arctic talon]

And it usually ends up catching nerfs repeatedly

Which is hilarious

I.E desolaters ate like

15 seperate nerfs lol

And like 4 indirect ones

[rocky gale]

Yea indirect fire was nerfed in general because of them

[arctic talon]

Nah

That was bcs of the tau missile system

Which was way overtuned

[rocky gale]

That was an annoying one, because some indirect fire models were overperforming they increased the price of all models with indirect fire, even the ones which weren't overperforming

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Thankfully indirect fire is more

Subdued this edition

[crystal forum]

oh i remember hearing of that

they indirectly nerfed astra militarum heavy weapon platforms due to that

[arctic talon]

Excluding the uh

Guard strategy from hell

Which is putting too many eggs in one basket

[crystal forum]

the big lascannon thing is technically indirect or something so it got nerfed even when it couldn't shoot indirectly

the field ordnance battery

[arctic talon]

Tbh the balance is much better this edition for indirect

[crystal forum]

i think these things look so cool

if only they werent shit

[rocky gale]

Yea that's the downside of having universal price costs rather than for weapon options, the Ordinance battery got a price increase due to indirect fire of the Artillery even if you didn't use the Artillery as a weapon option

[crystal forum]

the game really doesnt give many benefits to static units

[crystal forum]

i dont get why they removed all that stuff. was it really that bloaty?

[arctic talon]

No

It was dumb

Imo

Worst decision they made this edition by far

It’s super unbalanced

[crystal forum]

and now every combi-weapon is the same

it's like taking the personalization out of the game

[rocky gale]

Pretty much everything they did with the Sororitas was a bit naff this edition tbh

and rather than addressing any of the issues with the army, GW basically just reduced the point cost of the units until the Win Rate went up.

[arctic talon]

Dark eldar are in such a terrible spot lol

It’s hilariously miserable

They got 2 good units

In their entire fucking army

Wyches can’t even kill termagaunts efficiently

[rocky gale]

Yea Drukhari have it really rough

[coarse hawk]

40k ai astra militatrum goes kinda hard
https://youtu.be/8jkft6H6HGY?si=TGfNIUyhI2_C7q5b

[storm jungle]

Yo how did the lore-accurate sex-tapes get in here???

[shadow plover]

that gas mask is all sorts of fucked up

[crystal forum]

can something be reimagined if no imagination was used in the process

https://youtu.be/P_gn06KAvms?si=MkhhYs3gqIXnRJYo

[arctic talon]

Dkok guardsmen absolutely a bottom

[celest dome]

DkoK seem to either be Maso or to like to watch from the closet, like any good artilery crew

Damn I forgot who here was the Artillery dude

[crystal forum]

arty crews would be really pissed if they could hear you

[plush mason]

turns out someone left the vox on so they did

[celest dome]

Meh, not like they weren't already shelling my sector

[plush mason]

true

[spring cairn]

any lore reasons why Jaffar is breathing down my neck in the Mourningstar

[celest dome]

It's a warning about how Disney is gonna buy up GW

[crystal forum]

im making a joke about artillery men being deaf

and yes i explain my jokes

[plush mason]

ohhhhhhhh

[humble shoal]

astropaths have a specific look that doesn't fit tbh

[velvet imp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8h35E_Y11U

[crisp heath]

am i the god emperor?

[storm jungle]

no

[crisp heath]

source?

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/slap-rip-rhino-toy-gif-23656797

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/obi-wan-confusion-gif-10824788

that just raises so many questions

namely. how does one out-cheat a guardian of Tzeentch

and wtf became of this little girl

[storm jungle]

its just a meme entry in the codex

dont think on it

[plush mason]

ok

its Tzeentch. thinking about anything involving him is a good way to get a migraine

[green loom]

I think Frieren is over a thousand years old

[velvet imp]

it is small context being that the little girl was so innocent that Tzeentch maze did nothing to her

[plush mason]

lol

[velvet imp]

anyone else, the maze would have obviously screwed them up but the little girl had such a pure and innocent mind that the maze could not manifest anything that can and will harm her

[storm jungle]

its a Wizard of Oz reference too

[viral yacht]

so now thinking about it, since the char creation in darktide always has a "childhood" section in the backstory, I was wondering: how are Ogryn made and how do they have "childhoods"?

[spring cairn]

Most of them are Vat grown I think

[crystal forum]

did your parents not teach you the birds and the bees

no ogryns are born just like you and me

[spring cairn]

and their childhood would probably being put to work

[viral yacht]

no, sah

[spring cairn]

they would likely have some sort of caretaker

parental figure of some kind

[viral yacht]

so they actually grow up as anyone else

[crystal forum]

well when a mom ogryns likes a dad ogryn very much...

yes there's female ogryns

[viral yacht]

i always thought they were vat grown full-sized nowadays

[spring cairn]

yeah, except they don't have biological parents most of the time

[crystal forum]

idk where you get that from

[viral yacht]

now i'm wondering how a child ogryn looks like

[crystal forum]

ogryns are just abhumans

[spring cairn]

Ogryn populations aren't very common iirc

[viral yacht]

heard ogryn's are "genetically modified" nowadays, to keep em loyal or something

i know they were originally from a planet of high gravity

[crystal forum]

a lot of worlds have them though not in large amounts

[spring cairn]

I mean, self sustaining ones

so more often than not they're grown in vats because it's cheaper than shipping ogryns from wherever the fuck they get birthed "naturally"

[viral yacht]

they're very useful shock troops so i figured the imperium would get on "mass producing" them as much as possible

[crystal forum]

see that's the thing vat technology isn't really that common

[spring cairn]

And I guess they wouldn't waste time putting them to work since even in early age an ogryn is probably stronger than your average adult human

[crystal forum]

i doubt ogryns care tbh

they're just happy doing anything

[viral yacht]

I'm also guessing only male ogryns are sent to fight?

[crystal forum]

nah we just see a lot more of them

[viral yacht]

[spring cairn]

Lore reason is that female ogryns are too feral to be properly employed doing any task

real reason is

[storm jungle]

All ogryns are naturally born, they aren't vat grown

[spring cairn]

GW is afraid of doing a female ogryn mini

[storm jungle]

also no they just dont wanna bother

[viral yacht]

huh

[spring cairn]

u sure ?

[storm jungle]

Yes.

Ogryns barely got any lore

and ive read up on most of it

[storm jungle]

Same as how this is also wrong, and doesnt exist as a reason anywhere

female ogryns are just not mentioned a lot because the writers just didnt wanna bother, they still exist

[spring cairn]

It's probably old lore too

I've seen that excuse somewhere before

[viral yacht]

seems like darktide sparked more interested in ogryns than most other 40k media

[spring cairn]

long ago

[storm jungle]

Yeah because ogryns are usually just side characters for comedy relief

this is the first big 40k game to have them as a centerpiece

[crystal forum]

when you're making a figure of a huge muscly mini i think most sculptors depict men

[viral yacht]

wonder if that'll encourage em to expand the lore around em

[storm jungle]

the ogryn minis are also not that new

[spring cairn]

ogryns are remants of goofhammer 40k

[storm jungle]

Nah

they fit right in

[crystal forum]

like how the only catachan we see are men. it's just old lore

[spring cairn]

that's why they didn't get booted

[storm jungle]

yeah because they arent goofy

they are just "dumb brute" trope

[viral yacht]

ogryns originally had more child-like disposition iirc

[storm jungle]

They still kinda do.

[viral yacht]

more recently they made em more "Forrest Gump"-ish

[storm jungle]

Its important to remember ogryns only stay alive as mutants because they are useful.

They get indoctrinated at a young age to a certain level

in technicality they are basically manipulated auxillary

[viral yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/forrest-gump-iq-genius-army-gif-20234117

i can see a commissar giving this speech to an ogryn

[storm jungle]

Basically lol

[crystal forum]

i just want a detachment of female catachan that are more ripped than arnold in his prime

[spring cairn]

that would be the best day of that Ogryn's life

treasured and remembered forever

[storm jungle]

Shame she was an exclusive miniature

[viral yacht]

unless his bone 'ead implant starts buzzin a bit too much

[crystal forum]

hell yeah

[storm jungle]

also she has the bionic-leg from one of the cosmetic sets in the game

so thats neat

[crystal forum]

breaking the trope of skinny women is so fucking based

[viral yacht]

brawler ogryn's kinda sad now that i think about it, he has a line that reads "lost me best mate, can't remember his name..." or something like that

[storm jungle]

Yeah hes also the dumbest out the 3

[spring cairn]

I'd love to see a catachan set but the models aren't ripped enough to do them justice

[storm jungle]

ironic because hes the only one with an implant lol

[viral yacht]

a malfunctioning one apparently

[storm jungle]

its cooking his brain

but you dont really need the implant to be smart so its fine

not for him but still lol

[spring cairn]

meanwhile hadron doing nothing watching and gaslighting him

[queen laurel]

Agreed

[surreal nest]

Probably silly goofy question but does the White Scars chapter use sniper units?

[storm jungle]

Yes.

they just stick to mobile warfare more

[queen laurel]

that brain is probably a well done steak by now

[crystal forum]

you can use them on tabletop so im going to assume yes

[viral yacht]

brawler ogryn: "used to count me scars, now there's too many"
Cadian vet: " you and me both, big man..."

[surreal nest]

Well i know you can but i didn't know if it'd be fluffy of them

[storm jungle]

its 40k

the setting exists on excuses

[surreal nest]

Like you can use dreadnoughts but IIRC white scars fucking hate dreadnoughts

[storm jungle]

find a good one and apply it

literally the entire reason we got fucking marines with nerf rocket launcher guns

[crystal forum]

maybe if dreads had road wheels

[viral yacht]

no, big man, your head's not rations!

[queen laurel]

If a fan character can make a homebrew chapter that its entire point is curing the black rage from the blood angels then it's everything goes

[surreal nest]

Im still reading white scar books but i remember reading somewhere that they dont like dreadnoughts because they can't get the thrill of battle anymore and thats torture to them if they're "alive" still

I could be talking out of my ass though

[spring cairn]

everything goes is 40k's greatest strength tbh

[coarse pumice]

All the codex chapters can take anything in the book unless it’s super specific stuff like named characters from another chapter, or unique units

[storm jungle]

its a double-edged sword

it gets about as good as it gets stupid lol

[surreal nest]

I want a fluff list because i love their lore

[storm jungle]

[spring cairn]

I don't mind the stupid

Too good to pass

[viral yacht]

imagine

[storm jungle]

theres a difference between good and bad stupid

its why we get retcons lmao

[surreal nest]

The white scars having racing tracks on their ships is good stupid

[coarse pumice]

You can run some themes, but each chapter will have the codex units somewhere in their organisation

[surreal nest]

Space marines eating people to gain memories is bad stupid

[viral yacht]

a nerf heavy bolter would basically be shooting whole pool noodles at people

[storm jungle]

Pro tip as a 12 year long fan, just go read their wikipedia page.

It has all their lore copy pasted from various sources and codexes displayed there, outside of that best you can do is go read their books which THANKFULLY unlike other chapters is not ass and really good.

[queen laurel]

there could be the other side of the coin which is for example my orks that specialize in rescue operations and the other side which is the average Rogue trader character

[crystal forum]

now listen here, soul drinkers do that and you will not tarnish their names

[surreal nest]

Im fine if like its a gimmick of a chapter but every marine doing it is so fuckinf dumb

[crystal forum]

side note, soul drinkers only do it once in 5 books

[surreal nest]

I did and it mentioned that they only use scouts for sniping

[viral yacht]

i learned most of my lore through osmosis by playing dawn of war, memes, and watching emperor TTS series

[spring cairn]

what do they rescue

[surreal nest]

I assumed it was wrong because its a fan wiki

[spring cairn]

the loot ?

[queen laurel]

Anyone who pays enough

[crystal forum]

all space marines are supposed to have all these cool implants and then in the books they die to a lasgun

[surreal nest]

Good

[queen laurel]

they have a twisted sense of honoring a contract

By giving the rescued person either a mechanical arm that barely works or giving them a squig

the squig part can be very unpredictable

[viral yacht]

imagine tossing your lasgun like a fraggin tediore gun from borderlands

[crystal forum]

tabletop: dies immediately

[spring cairn]

lasguns are indeed very scary if you're human