40k-lore-chat

[primal gate]

If the new 40K show follows a series, what series would you like to see it follow?

[earnest snow]

The power of guts as he moves off screen

[bold veldt]

indomitus

[green loom]

Gaunts Ghosts without a question tbh

[bold veldt]

actually yeah that

not indomitus

[earnest snow]

One of the better series written in 40k

[green loom]

Just book 1 would probably be fine for a series

[bold veldt]

gaunts ghosts is a number one

[spring cairn]

I'd love Cain stuff but it might be too hard to pull off within that medium

[earnest snow]

Some of the later books get kinda rinsey and repeaty but

[primal gate]

I think Eisenhorn could be fun too, especially if each season follows a diferent person. S1, Himself, S2 Ravenor, S3 Bequin

[bold veldt]

common dan abnett W

[earnest snow]

I'd like them to cover parts of traitor general definitely. Thats like

One of my more favorite looks into chaos tbh

[green loom]

I already have a trailer envisioned for it

[bold veldt]

personally ive read vincula like, 5 times

and part two

[green loom]

If I'm sufficiently bored I might throw down a storyboard for it

[primal gate]

Agree, but I feel that way about a lot of the over-arching plots. My imagination however is limited and am often surprised. Hoping that is the case here.

[forest orbit]

Weird to have such an opinion when your name has "gatekeep" in it

[primal gate]

Strange times fren

[forest orbit]

Gatekeeping is bad so not really.

[spring cairn]

I'm more afraid of their interpretation of the comedic aspects of it

[green loom]

I'm hoping 40k fans don't have a 40k moment when they see Vitrians and stuff

[bold veldt]

just hoping cavill can come though

[forest orbit]

oh god please no

[forest orbit]

we also literally have no idea how deep of a fan cavill is

idk why people just assume hes a massive expert

i guess being a celebrity helps lol

[bold veldt]

he seems more knowledgeable than most of the 40k fans ive seen

[forest orbit]

Thats not saying much

[green loom]

He's vaguely nerdy and is attractive, so the rule of the world is to trust him

[spring cairn]

he's the closest thing to a fan of the setting you'll get when it comes to that level of celebrity

[bold veldt]

and he plays tabletop so he knows something

[primal gate]

I assume nothing, but I agree with his opinion on the Witcher show, so, some history there..and respect for standing on his principles.

[storm jungle]

Pretty much this yeah.

[forest orbit]

the Witcher is a lot more basic

[green loom]

It's not that unfounded though NGL

He did do actual research for Witcher beyond what he already knew

[bold veldt]

didnt the director of the witcher hate him because of how nerdy he was about the witcher?

[forest orbit]

Yep lol

[green loom]

Him and Jaskier's actor

[spring cairn]

Yeah it's definitely overblown but it has solid evidence of being true

[bold veldt]

i have a little faith

[primal gate]

I will take nerdy to mean, technically correct, ie the best way to be correct.

[storm jungle]

The witcher showrunners also followed like nothing about the narrative.

[green loom]

Another case of them wanting to make their own thing iirc

[storm jungle]

Yep lol

so its not that hard to call them out on it

[green loom]

People think this'll happen to 40k but this like majorly stems from main studio apathy about the project

Which for 40k is unlikely to happen since GW are control freaks

[forest orbit]

I like cavill as an actor

[green loom]

I don't

[forest orbit]

but people rallying behind like as basement nerds that dont touch grass is very tiring

[green loom]

I've seen planks of wood more emotive than him

[forest orbit]

LOL

CHRIST

[storm jungle]

DAMN thats mean

[bold veldt]

damn

[green loom]

My face muscles are genuinely atrophied to where I can't smile and even I can convey more emotion than him

[bold veldt]

lore drop is crazy

[forest orbit]

Eisenhorn Grindset

[queen laurel]

Watching Ederius hate something is like watching Skaven engage in diplomacy, it's will always be absolutely hilarious

[storm jungle]

Violence is the way of this chat 💀

[queen laurel]

And you're the warboss of it all

[median marsh]

Hey, there way worse channels

[green loom]

I'm kidding mostly I don't hate the guy that much

[median marsh]

gestures broadly at general and driptide

[green loom]

But his track record, isn't that great

[bold veldt]

“Gamesworkshop is bad-terrible”

[median marsh]

John Workshop

[spring cairn]

Just glad we have someone with somewhat of a personnal interest in the whole thing for this show

[earnest snow]

Is driptide bad lol? Ik a few channels had some mod intervention like zealot chat for being too degenerate so close to console release and ogryn chat for being way too racist

[green loom]

I'm not sure if this is a complement or insult 🤔

[bold veldt]

ogryns being racist is hilarious

[storm jungle]

We made it for people to show of their outfits before it turned into people using it to criticize the premium store, which is completely fine but, you know

[median marsh]

Driptide tends to violently explode...and then buy shite anyway

[storm jungle]

Also that

lol

[earnest snow]

Someone used the whole argument of "well it means something else in England so i can use it!" In reference to a slur or something

In ogryn chat

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah that was wild

[earnest snow]

And it got out of hand

[storm jungle]

we ended up banning like 5 people

[green loom]

Ah yes, the whale paradox

[earnest snow]

The great ogryn purge

[spring cairn]

all problematic elements of ogryn chat have been banned and it has been flawless eversince

[queen laurel]

POV: what a normal person sees when entering Lore chat

[storm jungle]

Not really.

Every chat has its issues though so

[versed ledge]

People be playing drip tide, and here I am just wearing standard flak and gasmask

[spring cairn]

haven't seen bad stuff

[green loom]

At least it isn't vet chat

[earnest snow]

I'm just happy my zealot has pirate drip

[storm jungle]

yeah because Hank is a trooper and a regular so handles it quickly

[primal gate]

I always find it odd when people love, hate, trust etc someone they never met. I respected his decision to end his relationship with the Witcher show. Not that familar with all his work, but I do like what I hear when is talks about the setting.

[spring cairn]

only people making dumb ogryn joke and asking for adivce

[median marsh]

The duality of people is honestly interesting

[queen laurel]

Compliment trust me it brings me serotonin watching you absolutely dunk on something

[median marsh]

People both hate and love the rogue trader fit

[earnest snow]

Zealot chat has been tame to what it used to be

People were openly degenerate

For weeks on end

Now it's like

Minutes

[forest orbit]

Dislike and Liking someone doesn't have to be a physical or face to face affair.

You dont need to personally know a dickhead like Jeff Bezos to dislike him lol

[spring cairn]

the rogue trader sets were all well modeled and pretty, just not my thing and bit too expensive

[bold veldt]

its been cursed by the dreaded “:3”

[green loom]

Touche, but you never know at this point

Remember fkn

The avenging son cover shitshow?

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[green loom]

Where reddit exploded because an Ultramarine was like, kinda brown?

[spring cairn]

i'd rather be, suspiciously big guardsman

[storm jungle]

that was genuinely disgusting

[versed ledge]

I just realized this, but why is a priest in the militarum a combat arms role?

[median marsh]

Priests do more than preach

[primal gate]

I suppose, but I find it odd. People are more than a single thing. I might have a lot of respect for someone based on a causal interaction and then really dislike their politics. I still hold both points and resolve not to pigeon hole them unless, I am very very familar with them as people.

[median marsh]

a lot more

[spring cairn]

like hitting stuff in the face

[earnest snow]

ITS BASED ON ROME AND ROMANS AREN'T NON-WHITE!

Don't tell em rome was a multicultural empire

[forest orbit]

🤷‍♂️

[versed ledge]

Apparently also impromptu surgery on the enemy is part of the job

[earnest snow]

It's the place where i post my memes now

[spring cairn]

If only priests back here could also be like that, genocidal. I would be so happy

[versed ledge]

Preaching health, love, and happiness, one chainsword slash at a time

[green loom]

Ever been to Poland?

[spring cairn]

I'm already close enough to poland as is

[median marsh]

40k priests and Holy Nation from kenshi share similarities

[green loom]

I'm sorry

[median marsh]

Such as walking to your doorstep in the middle of fucking nowhere

[earnest snow]

The religion in the Imperium is pretty violent I would be surprised if they didn't fight

[versed ledge]

Like making Sunday the best day of the week, or else?

[median marsh]

Yes

[spring cairn]

I imagine not all priests fight

and not all of them know how to

[storm jungle]

Most do a lot.

[green loom]

A large number are ready to

[storm jungle]

Yep

[spring cairn]

but they would all willingly fight

[storm jungle]

the Imperium is self-destructive and war is a part of the culture

[green loom]

A ton are also former guard and stuff like that

[median marsh]

Throw hands in the name of the emperor

[spring cairn]

In game, everyone doubts the combat ability of the zealot

[storm jungle]

I mean not really

they compliment their abilities constantly

ironically its the fandom of the game that doubts it lol

[primal gate]

I mean... what is the point of an ideology that promises eternal life if not giving you some superpowers against fear of death?

[storm jungle]

"they are just homeless people"

[green loom]

The guardsmen likely all had combat preachers

[spring cairn]

Half the compliment lines in game for zealot are genuine surprise lmao

[green loom]

Who are typically suitably insane

[versed ledge]

But you gotta admit the imperial slogan are actually pretty good and great guides to life

[earnest snow]

Preachers in 40k will walk up to your home, diss your faith, shit on your doorstep, and walk away in the name of the emperor

They are unhinged

[storm jungle]

You mean murder yoru entire family

and burn your house down

[green loom]

Prolly cus half our zealots are just hobo terrorists

[storm jungle]

lmao

[median marsh]

And break your legs

[earnest snow]

Yes if you are found wanting

[versed ledge]

But what if you believe in the emprah

[green loom]

I forget if it was judge that reminisces about committing arson

[storm jungle]

its the Agitator

[primal gate]

Its a popular trope and popular IMHO because its so common: That being the individual using religion as a club. Belief need not apply. The flip side of that is the ability to overcome challenges that a lack of faith creates.

[earnest snow]

They give you moral and spiritual burden and ask to use your restroom.

[versed ledge]

Bottom line is, being a priest in the Imperium is a fun job

[spring cairn]

"Never thought the zealot had it in him" "So shouty can fight ?" "Well looks like the priest is worth something after all"

[storm jungle]

Judge's upbringig is him wishing to join the Hereticus

also sleeping on straw on the streets

[earnest snow]

Fanatic zealot is bae

[green loom]

Wow he had straw, lucky

[earnest snow]

Trial was rigged

[versed ledge]

Does said burden at least come with petroleum jelly

[earnest snow]

Absolutely

[earnest snow]

It does but it's limited sadly

[bold veldt]

the one that got shot?

[median marsh]

Ogryn barging in with how warm dung is great bedding

[earnest snow]

it was rigged

[spring cairn]

Fanatic is the guy that will stab you in the back when you're near your goal and everyone could see it coming

[tulip brook]

Vet and ogryn is military affiliated and trained in combat. Zealot is balls to the wall hooligan

[median marsh]

Had me in tears

[bold veldt]

they drew nurgle glyphs

[green loom]

As said before the zealots are genuinely all crazy hobos

[bold veldt]

psyker is like, fuck idk, beta class combat or renegade

[spring cairn]

yeah which is my point, everyone doubts the zealot

[versed ledge]

I'm impressed how the veteran in dark tide hasn't shot the priest or crazed psyker yet

[spring cairn]

they also doubt the psyker but that'sa given

[earnest snow]

I think the fanatic zealot is the one that killed someone. I follow the gist of backgrounds so idk the details

[spring cairn]

he burned a hab block

[versed ledge]

He had too much fun

[spring cairn]

got too silly

[storm jungle]

they threaten to if it comes down to it

[bold veldt]

the vet backgrounds are “oops i stepped in the way of a high ranking officer”

[earnest snow]

Did the female do that too lmao?

[median marsh]

"I know a lot of things, people trust me"
"Are you sure it's not because you keep threatening them"

[earnest snow]

Cus my trial was rigged

[storm jungle]

Nah thats a reason you can pick

[bold veldt]

now you gon say “i can fix her”

[spring cairn]

they all have the same backstory

regardless of gender

[primal gate]

Only cause FF is off, lol\

[earnest snow]

She is my character so no I'm gonna make her worse

[green loom]

Judge is probably a vigilante

[spring cairn]

anyway, judge best voice

[earnest snow]

Literally

It's gonna take effort to make her worse

[bold veldt]

very fair

[tulip brook]

It is a welcome surprise a gangoon keeping up with actual military veterans

[green loom]

Ong most based personality, idealistic but not blind to the flaws

[earnest snow]

Someone comes along and says "I can fix her!"
Me: "please don't it took a lot of work to get her to be this awful"

[bold veldt]

i mean, my vet has seen countless other varlets die and an uncountable number of heretics fall in their wakes

[median marsh]

I've been autistically writing the journey for my Vet and Ogryn

[versed ledge]

chuckles in exploding barrels

[green loom]

Though still genocidal I guess l

[spring cairn]

You'd be genocidal too if you lived in 40k

[primal gate]

At the range none of my millitary friends would think it interesting that someone keeps up with mill training.

[bold veldt]

im the cause for only one friendly death

[versed ledge]

"Remember it's not murder, if it looks like an accident" - every catachan guardsmen

[earnest snow]

God damn right 🤝

[primal gate]

Mill-spec, lowest common denominator training and equipment.

[median marsh]

"Sir, the commissar went mad and ate that grenade on their own Accord"

[queen laurel]

i can fix her/him the people be looking at the most deranged living beings possible

[earnest snow]

That's cool.

[tulip brook]

Now try rambo stuff killing a thousand cultists. I bet they'll be impressed

[earnest snow]

My zealot is murder happy so that's all I got since I get far too into the zone when I start killing in DT

[earnest snow]

Absolutely. It's wild

[tulip brook]

Then do it with a bowie knife

[median marsh]

Nobz in my canon exclusively uses heavy stubbers because it doubles as a gigantic club when needed

[bold veldt]

“sir, the commissar simply found a lasbolt in his back, we have no idea”

its insane how many guardsmen ive seen in lore say “we could shoot him/her”

[versed ledge]

"Yeah, and it just happens to be two las-bolts to the head. Must have been from the stress of war that he did the deed himself"

[spring cairn]

My only issues with the available voices are for the psyker ones, you got lex lex lex lex guy, reddit atheist and schizophrenic

[storm jungle]

I mean its not, its very realistic

a poor leader makes for a poor war effort

[median marsh]

When your other option is getting sent at a 50 foot tall bug that just ate a tank

You start considering your options

[tulip brook]

Yup they can shoot her and find themselves right in front of a hive fleet the next day

[bold veldt]

even with good ones, like ik its different sorta but with gaunt, in vincula insurgency one of the guardsmen just says “hell we all have a reason to want to kill him”

[versed ledge]

Soldiers being led by idiots, will do what any soldiers led by idiots will do. A time tested tradition too

[storm jungle]

Cain and Gaunt reflect on this in their respective series' as well, you are a bad commissar if you men want to actually kill you.

You dont need a Commissar to win wars either

[median marsh]

Cain is one of my favorites characters

[storm jungle]

but they certainly help when they actually do their job

[summer mural]

Yarrick is bae

[tulip brook]

Yarrick shoots people tho

[bold veldt]

and during the siege of terra i witnessed them actually kill a commissar, granted those soldiers then turned traitor, but cmon

[storm jungle]

again, its fine

[bold veldt]

you can shoot people and still be respected as “a good commander”

[earnest snow]

Did you guys know that the so called beast of nurgle is not such a creature? It's actually the Atoman Snail but it lost its shell. It's been well documented that the Snail gets hostile and suddenly has a craving for loyal citizens of the Imperium when it loses its shell. So stop spreading the lie that this is a beast of nurgle.

||by order of the Inquisition||

[storm jungle]

Yeah because he does his job

Yarrick is not incompetent

or sends his men to meatgrinders needlessly

[primal gate]

Many of the tropes are designed to create a stark contrast with our heroes. Showing there is hope in a dying galaxy.

[versed ledge]

Why do commissars even exists when their role is effectively useless?

[median marsh]

It's that damn snail from the tungsten sphere isn't it

[dusk patrol]

What

[earnest snow]

It's not when done right

[storm jungle]

They are political morale officers

they got an important role

[spring cairn]

it's not useless

[earnest snow]

Yes

[dusk patrol]

Their role is to keep the troops in line

[spring cairn]

morale is very important

[bold veldt]

because ive seen them multiple times keep wars from being lost

[dusk patrol]

They’re not useless

[storm jungle]

Like they arent an absolute must

[dusk patrol]

They’re often very effective

[storm jungle]

but they are still an important part of the command chain

[spring cairn]

they also usually carry good gear with them

[median marsh]

Commissars are actually heavily trained, they're more than just "go kill yourselves NOW"

[spring cairn]

so they can fight too

[bold veldt]

morale is the most important thing ever, especially when you are fighting hundreds upon thousands of bugs bigger and better than you

[dusk patrol]

They also exist to make sure commanders have incentive to do their jobs

[spring cairn]

and well most of the time

[bold veldt]

bolt pistol and enter sword here

[dusk patrol]

They don’t always work but idk where you’re getting they’re “useless”

[summer mural]

do traitor guardsmen have traitor commissars in their ranks

[dusk patrol]

The guard is the backbone of the Imperium and it does its job fine a lot

[earnest snow]

Someone has to be the person to snap others into line when shit really gets bad and that's one of the commissar's duties. Just so happens that sometimes you gotta shoot one person to really get the message through but that is a last resort by reasonable officer standards

[storm jungle]

yes

[tulip brook]

Yes

[dusk patrol]

Sometimes

[median marsh]

I think bloodpact does

[versed ledge]

Yes, bringing new meaning to the phrase firing someone

[spring cairn]

there will always be shitty ones because there's millions of them but I think the good ones outweigh the shit one imo

[median marsh]

Or what was that khorne one

[bold veldt]

siege of vraks

[dusk patrol]

There’s a model for one

[bold veldt]

enforcers and the such

[summer mural]

oh yeah siege of vraks had em, I forgot about that

[storm jungle]

those are just big dudes

traitor commissars are another thing alltogether

[primal gate]

I imagine the start of the whole commissar thing was simply a matter of examining the "Human Wave" attack strategy of WW1 and 2 by the Russian army. Its a grand and tragic idea and fits with the collectivist notions presented by the Imperial order post collapse.

[bold veldt]

i wasnt familiar that enforcers were actual things, i was just using the word

[storm jungle]

Yeah they are a specific unit type you could field

[earnest snow]

I think the blood pact was dedicated to khorne if I remember correctly and the sons of sek or whatever were more undivided and tried to become more like actual guard regiments than the blood pact did

[storm jungle]

Captain Wolfer's mask is also based on one lol

[bold veldt]

never knew

[earnest snow]

How come they gave us a furry as the main villain

[storm jungle]

goofy ah model

[bold veldt]

sons of sek are def sort of everyone

[dusk patrol]

Morale officers exist in a lot of forms in 40k

[celest dome]

I like it, it's endearing

[green loom]

Enemy at the gates has done irreparable damage to the perception of things

[storm jungle]

^

Valhallans are literally based on them

and its fucking awful

lmao

[earnest snow]

How I be looking when the brownies are done

[bold veldt]

i love seeing sweaty russian men

its great

(not)

[bold veldt]

everytime i see a valhallan in lore, they are described as drenched

and russian

[versed ledge]

What's that dude holding? Looks like a sword attached to a power pack

[spring cairn]

I could answer that

[queen laurel]

Jurgen is most of the time also described coming off from the sewers every single day

[bold veldt]

power sword

[earnest snow]

I love it when sweaty men are done raising that flag and they gotta rest their strong muscles.

Really makes me wanna kill em

[gray umbra]

jurgen just doesnt shower

[bold veldt]

huh

is it too late to ask who jurgen is exactly

[queen laurel]

alright homie i think, i think you should go back to your under city

[primal gate]

It did not really do that great at the box office. Science fiction tends to be formulaic and GW has taken that and run with it. So, maybe it does not matter but my point is most people are probably not that familar with that movie, and def fewer actually familar with real history.

[spring cairn]

Jurgen is a walking pustule

[earnest snow]

No I need my pizza

[bold veldt]

warp rat might need to head out on a killing spree to refresh

[dusk patrol]

They’re used to the cold typically is the reason

So they sweat easier than most

[bold veldt]

siberia then more exactly

[queen laurel]

the closest ally and right hand man of Comissar cain

[spring cairn]

Like his Blank aptitudes manifest physically

[bold veldt]

right, so the blank

[dusk patrol]

It’s just generic Slavic style country

[queen laurel]

yes

[bold veldt]

i didnt know he was valhallan actually

[spring cairn]

I don't think Slavs stink that much

[dusk patrol]

More heavily Russian but it’s just that kinda thing

[bold veldt]

look at that thing and tell me he smells like roses

[earnest snow]

That's a question for irl slavs

[dusk patrol]

Jurgen is smelly for other reasons anyways

[spring cairn]

being a blank doesn't help

[dusk patrol]

He’s not the norm for Valhallans

[gray umbra]

that man is a gamer

[bold veldt]

yeah hes a blank and likes a commissar

(like as in friend)

[queen laurel]

Comissar cain is quite something let me tell you

[tulip brook]

Eerybody likes Cain

[dusk patrol]

The smell helps sorta mask his blank aura or disguise it

[queen laurel]

he's not just your regula Commissar

[spring cairn]

if ur a blank people will generally hate you and not desire to be near you too much

[dusk patrol]

So it gives people an actual reason to dislike being around him

As opposed to just his aura

[bold veldt]

theres a lore reason to why he has a musk then

[tulip brook]

I don't think it's related to him being blank

[spring cairn]

could be

hard to tell

[tulip brook]

Sisters of silence are blank. They have a good chance of smelling roses

[spring cairn]

such things manifest strangely sometimes

[versed ledge]

Just being part of the guard

[bold veldt]

well yeah, its sisters of silence

that and incense

average smell in the imperium

[tulip brook]

Bro just don't like showers. It's ok

-not ok for nonfictional people-

[bold veldt]

but 40k? its aight

[gray umbra]

jurgen smellin like a gamer college roommate

[bold veldt]

he def has played galactica

[dusk patrol]

It’s not but it’s intentional on his part

[bold veldt]

real

[tulip brook]

The guy fights and drives like a maniac, doesn't elaborate, has beard... He's gigachad in 40k

[gray umbra]

hes got the musk for it for sure

nocap on god

[summer mural]

how in the emperor did sanguinius snap ka bandhas spine over his knee during sot

[storm jungle]

visually it makes no sense because Kabanana is larger than him

so dont question it

[summer mural]

lmao

[queen laurel]

also I'm pretty sure Ka'Bandha basically one won his first fight with him right

[gray umbra]

any physics experts in chat

[summer mural]

@radiant lance

[radiant lance]

Do I have to

[tulip brook]

All those stories with regular orcs/csm/sm downing titans...

[spring cairn]

he threw KaB from high above towards the ground, and then set up below on the ground faster than KaB could fall and took a knee. Here.

[summer mural]

yes

[summer mural]

https://tenor.com/view/do-it-get-to-work-gif-21630516

[storm jungle]

yes and hes still too big

lmao

[gray umbra]

if sanguinius can reach x speed will the velocity and momentum be enough to shatter a great daemons back

[summer mural]

hes much bigger lmao

[spring cairn]

Yeah but he's sangunoos

[gray umbra]

does in this case sanguinius act as a bullet against his spine??

[spring cairn]

he has a very pointy knee

[radiant lance]

I don't know what the fuck is going on

[gray umbra]

adamantine kneecap

[median marsh]

This is some month python tier of question

[summer mural]

sanguinius tearing his wings off and then giving him the sickest burn of all time "If you truly do hail from the realm that men once called hell, when you return there, tell your kindred it was Sanguinius who threw you back." was understandable, but picking him up and then snapping his spine over his knee is nuts

[radiant lance]

Why was I summoned, mortal?

[median marsh]

What is the maximum velocity of a daemon falling onto sangs knee and is it enough to shatter a spine

[storm jungle]

nobody summoned you

[median marsh]

[gray umbra]

we require an explanation on how sanguinius can snap a greater daemon's back

[dusk patrol]

He didn’t?

[summer mural]

I did , and I didnt know it was to explain how sanguinius's snapped a bloodthirsters spine over his knee

[radiant lance]

A lot of force and specifically pressure

[bold veldt]

because

hes better

[dusk patrol]

No I just read the excerpt he just slices him open a bunch and then throws him

[earnest snow]

Seems to be a lot of spine snapping during the horus heresy

[bold veldt]

myeah

[earnest snow]

Even if we don't include kabanda

[bold veldt]

and skull taking (ferrus manus insert)

[spring cairn]

his sword broke it's spine according to this

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[spring cairn]

which is more reasonable

[bold veldt]

definitely

[dusk patrol]

He just slices him open and then throws him

[bold veldt]

remember when sangy killed the princeps of a imperator

and the moderati instantly burst into flames, while screaming ofc

[summer mural]

ahhh there it is

[dusk patrol]

Well when you melta bomb a cockpit

That tends to happen

[bold veldt]

he originally killed the princeps first tho

before

[earnest snow]

The princeps probably deserved it

[dusk patrol]

Yeah but he blows the fucking head up

[bold veldt]

obv

[bold veldt]

after

[dusk patrol]

With melta bombs

[bold veldt]

after its described that the princeps just stared in horror as he aproached

[earnest snow]

Idk the logistics of capturing and recovering an imperator from the battlefield but better it be destroyed than be used by the enemy

[bold veldt]

honestly sangy is him for charging directly towards a imperator

just because

[earnest snow]

Especially since machine spirits and other gobble gobble

[bold veldt]

him and his whole “i do not die this day” speech

[dusk patrol]

Well he can’t exactly do much

[bold veldt]

i feel a little bad for the moderati, they legit instantly started screaming and flames burst from their eyes because of the overwhelming force of the machine spirit, so i think the imperator was already lost

[dusk patrol]

Titans big vulnerability has always been infantry if it can get close and get on board

And primarchs are very very lethal infantry

[bold veldt]

in terms of recovery, which wouldnt happen regardless

[bold veldt]

primarchs are lethal everything

other than the wordbearwrs

[storm jungle]

they are basically Deviantart OCs so it checks out

[bold veldt]

true

[storm jungle]

some have more depth than others at least

[earnest snow]

Primarchs trying to not do over the top shenanigans (IMPOSSIBLE)

I enjoy it but

Man them primarchs

[spring cairn]

Is Curze peak writting

[storm jungle]

hes a boring edgelord

lmao

[spring cairn]

so peak

[storm jungle]

to my dying days im never gonna forget:

"Rogal Dorn slammed his fist, his Imperial Fist, into the table before him."

[queen laurel]

no way

[spring cairn]

he's my number 1 worst primarch

[storm jungle]

All because of Horus, because of the brightest bastard son, the bringer of new strife.

Dorn heard stone splinter. He looked down, he had punched his fist, *his Imperial fist*, through a block of stone in the parapet. He had barely registered
the impact. The block was pulverised.

"My lord, is everything all right?“

[dusk patrol]

Literally every single character in 40k is a devianart OC some are just well executed OC

[storm jungle]

Primarchs are still the worst example of this

[earnest snow]

Curze willingly died so we may one day get some dumbass from a backwater world accidentally doing a ritual that drags his soul back into the world of the living

[storm jungle]

so going "they are all like that" doesnt change anything

[earnest snow]

This is the way

[storm jungle]

and is like a very flimsy argument

[pine wedge]

amazing

[median marsh]

Dorn and Peter Turbo

[earnest snow]

I love the primarchs

[pine wedge]

unironically btw because 40k is camp and schlock and the campier and schlockier the writing is, the better

[spring cairn]

peak writing I tell you

[dusk patrol]

It’s the setting, there’s endless characters who are just the bestest goodest coolest

[spring cairn]

Like Ferrus Manus

[storm jungle]

Yeah and we are allowed to dislike them

[spring cairn]

PEAK

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

That’s what you sign up for

[storm jungle]

Also this yeah

[pine wedge]

Rogal Dorn also means Imperial Fist in like

celtic or something

[earnest snow]

I don't dislike them I love them

Those primarchs are

[pine wedge]

so they did the whole thing twice

[earnest snow]

Just lovely

[storm jungle]

Dorn literally means "fist" in gaelic iirc

[pine wedge]

three times if you count Corax and the Raven Guard

[storm jungle]

same with Rogal tho i gotta check that

[earnest snow]

Theyre special

[queen laurel]

I'm not surprised on that one because Ferrus mannus literally means iron hands

[spring cairn]

I'm surprised Dorn and Ferrus weren't written as super close since they both have a fist fetish

[pine wedge]

"Corvus" is just the genus name of the crow family in taxonomy

[summer mural]

ferrus doesnt like folks fetishizing his fists, unlike rogal

[pine wedge]

corvids and all that

[spring cairn]

It probably took restraint not to write them so

[earnest snow]

They woulda if that femboy wasn't so good at being a weaponsmith

[dusk patrol]

It’s not any less goofy than Maugan Ra like, somehow refusing his craft world from the warp and killing five hundred billion gajillion million trillion Nids, while literally having a scythe gun.

It’s just cool

[median marsh]

Automod didn't like what I came up with for Dorn

[celest dome]

Sanguinus and Sanguine

[storm jungle]

Theres a difference between a single badass scene like that and Primarchs literally doing it in every single book.

[pine wedge]

true, that's another one

[storm jungle]

the comparison game doesn't really work

[celest dome]

Vulkan, who is a forge master is somewhat also on the nose

[pine wedge]

it is a miracle that Magnus isn't named after his red skin or something

[earnest snow]

Primarchs also made my foot itch so idk maybe warp shenanigans

[spring cairn]

Mortarion is also the primarch of the "death" guard

[pine wedge]

Angron is angry

[median marsh]

Angy

[earnest snow]

Yeah magnus the blue is peak naming

[primal gate]

The Warp is literally magic juice for the imagination and the primarchs are juiced up superhumans.

[earnest snow]

Konrad is Curzed with his foresight

[storm jungle]

Also literally named after a volcano deity

[queen laurel]

Fulgrim i guess

[dusk patrol]

He did also choose his red skin tbf

[earnest snow]

Vulkan is....volcanic?

[celest dome]

Yes, the Volcano diety who is a Forge master

[pine wedge]

forge deity is even more relevant here

[dusk patrol]

Magnus the Red is an oddly simple name for him

[primal gate]

I appreciate the tropes, because that is how language evolves. In 40K years being authentic is trope a fying history and having something old to relate to.

[summer mural]

vulkan is ~~ valten~~ complete with being a blacksmith armed with two hammers beating up dark eldar

[spring cairn]

try all you want but you'll never reach the same heights as Ferrus Manus or the space wolves when it comes to peak naming conventions

[median marsh]

Magnus the Magical Dummy didn't stick

[queen laurel]

Apparently it's greatest the red

[dusk patrol]

Probably but it’s really just

[celest dome]

Magnus "Who did nothing wrong" didn't catch either

[queen laurel]

Yeah the greatest ******* up projects

[dusk patrol]

A name they thought sounded cool

Ferrus Manus is a good name regardless of the Latin silliness of it.

[pine wedge]

yeah that's what I mean. his name could've easily been <Red-in-a-different-language> the Red as well

but Magnus isn't even a pun

[dusk patrol]

Legit most of the primarch and 40k names work

Some are sillier than others

[spring cairn]

I mean Ferrus Manus the name is good, it's just everything that comes alongside it

[primal gate]

Welp, the whole names have power trope begs for exploration of each ex. in kind. Also, Animism and Pantheism are constant backseat companions to the story.

[pine wedge]

it's a silly little game with silly little lore anyway

[summer mural]

magnus has a lot of obvious references attached to him, theres osiris, the egyptian god of death being cut up by his brother into a bunch of pieces and then thrown around the world (his shards), theres his one eye, which references odin paying for his thirst for knowledge by losing an eye, etc etc

[dusk patrol]

But for how many characters they have legit 40k does names pretty well mostly

[earnest snow]

Ferrus manus ironing his hands

[spring cairn]

in his ship

[pine wedge]

the Lion and the Dark Angels are named after a real poet who wrote a poem about a dark angel

[spring cairn]

the hand of rion

[storm jungle]

Emil Darkhammer

[dusk patrol]

Fist of Iron

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

But yes we all know

[median marsh]

Local man drowns a weird monster, gets metal arms

[pine wedge]

https://www.poeticous.com/lionel-johnson/the-dark-angel-dark-angel-with-thine-aching-lust

[earnest snow]

Imagine if he did that with his

[median marsh]

Lionel and his Johnson

[spring cairn]

that's more on the subtle side when you compare it to the rest

and of somewhat good taste

[dusk patrol]

Hey that’s not even that bad by a lot of Sci fi standards

It’s not good

[earnest snow]

Lemon and his russ

[summer mural]

Gregor Eishenhorn is a cool , apt name

[dusk patrol]

Leman Russ is also a great Sci fi name

[summer mural]

is it better than luis dante though

[spring cairn]

they should use more names like Dante's, biblical names slap

[dusk patrol]

Especially considering how many of the names they had to work backwards from

[earnest snow]

Bring in vergil so we can finally have a poorly written dmc cross over

[spring cairn]

Name someone Appollyon if it's not already done

[summer mural]

the spear is named that I think

or is that apollonyan?

appolonius?

[gray umbra]

vergil can just be a daemonhost

[pine wedge]

well, subtle

it's a more obscure reference but it's an extremely simple copypaste job

[earnest snow]

We need a badass character named Joe

[pine wedge]

"oh cool names. yoink"

[spring cairn]

sure but it's still better

[summer mural]

Joe and Sly Marbo

[dusk patrol]

Apollonian Spear

[pine wedge]

one of my 40k OCs is called Apollyon! but they already used that name; it's Abaddon

[summer mural]

Sly Marbo - Sly is Silvester Stallones Irl nickname, and marbo is an anagram of rambo

[dusk patrol]

With the Dionysian Spear

[storm jungle]

The only fictional material thats ever used that name is For Honor i think

[spring cairn]

Abaddon is a nice name

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/apollyon-wolves-march-gif-13091271

[pine wedge]

same name, just Greek vs Hebrew

[storm jungle]

still different enough so its good

[earnest snow]

When is abaddon doing his next prank

[spring cairn]

yeah

[earnest snow]

I did like his black fortress prank

[summer mural]

when he stops running into basic guardsmen screaming " CADIA STANDS" in his ears

[spring cairn]

There's playable character in TBOI named Appollyon

[primal gate]

Science fiction demands you ruthlessly steal all the best ideas. Now if they actually flesh it out or not, maybe no so much

[pine wedge]

and me

[dusk patrol]

Pretty sure there’s a marvel character called Apollyon

[median marsh]

That one makes sense as the entire game is centered around religion technically

[dusk patrol]

Nvm it was a different company

[earnest snow]

I genuinely would like Cadians more if that wasn't their only character trait in stuff I played and read. I get their planet blew up along with the guard regiments there but they're also human. So...idk write them as humans? It's why I don't like guard books unless they wanna actually put effort into their characters

[pine wedge]

goddamn right

[median marsh]

Cadians have the same syndrome as Catachans

"our planet is super pooper tough, so we are better"

They technically are but situationally

[pine wedge]

coolest avatar I've ever had anywhere https://avatars.roleplayerguild.com/production/cef2b408-6291-414c-b251-ec2474466c8d.gif

[spring cairn]

At least Catachans have a planet still

[primal gate]

The value of using obvious tropes, names, etc is that we all have some reference point. It creates immediate emotional and visual qualities, now are these good, well that is in the eye of the beholder. But you are still involved whereas many story telling feels labored in trying to remember the 40 character elvish name.

[queen laurel]

That is sick

[earnest snow]

Every time I hear the cadian vet speak in DT I wanna blow them off the ledge with a barrel

[summer mural]

aint nobody going anywhere near catachan to invade it , the planet can defend itself without the regiment

[spring cairn]

they have good lines

but sometimes they get very edgy

[queen laurel]

I don't really blame them because they literally fought in cadia and watched the entire thing blow up

[median marsh]

It also literally did

[pine wedge]

cutthroat redeemed himself with the voice of command lines

[queen laurel]

While yes I agree he is a bit loud

[median marsh]

demons invaded catachan and got promptly fucked

[queen laurel]

I can't blame him he watched his entire planet blow up

[median marsh]

[pine wedge]

IF YEW CAN BREEFE, YEW CAN KIHLL

so good

first time I heard him scream THERE IS ONLY WAR had me going like

https://tenor.com/view/thats-it-yes-thats-it-that-right-there-omg-that-thats-what-i-mean-gif-17579879

[earnest snow]

The premise is cool with a traumatized veteran but cadia this cadia that cadia in your soup cadia with fries pizza with cadia toppings

[spring cairn]

i'm more of a loose cannon enjoyer meself

[earnest snow]

It's grating after a while

[pine wedge]

yeah my own vet is male LC

never gets old

[spring cairn]

and professional is cool because he's bland

[normal light]

Nah it`s matter of time

[spring cairn]

and that's needed for a guard character

[pine wedge]

could be worse. could be savant and their relentless enforcer bootlicking

[median marsh]

I like professional ; v;

[spring cairn]

he's nice

[queen laurel]

i love Loose cannon

[spring cairn]

it's THE guardsman

[pine wedge]

professional is good too, but I named my character Rawne so he was just out of the question

had to be LC or cutthroat lol

[median marsh]

Johnathan Guardsman

[primal gate]

My wife is the LC and I am the Cadia bla bla vet and the dialog between the two is fun.

[earnest snow]

Wish they would expand on the cadian vet to be a bit more engaging with the other rejects. Getting support with the trauma they have dealt with. I know there are interactions where there is teasing of it but I want FS to go further into that

[spring cairn]

he's too edgy to accept support

have you heard him

[pine wedge]

they add a bit more of that with every new batch of dialogues

[earnest snow]

Yes he doesn't do weakness

[spring cairn]

i don't do weakness

[queen laurel]

While yes he did get better at accepting support when you include the character development lines

[earnest snow]

But idc someone is gonna slap him with the reality check

[pine wedge]

cutthroat and brawler have hilarious conversations where cutthroat is really patient with the brawler

[earnest snow]

I hope

[median marsh]

My favorite lines are with ogryn

[bold veldt]

i wish i could change voices

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/or-yehuda-edgy-or-yehuda-edgelord-gif-25925736

[median marsh]

"can you teach me how to read"

[queen laurel]

Have you heard the voice line of brawler talking to him about Hadron hacking his implant?

[pine wedge]

lmao yes

[queen laurel]

that **** makes me chuckle

[median marsh]

What a ridiculous assertion!

YOU ARE PARANOID

"nope, definitely did not hear her call you paranoid just now"

[pine wedge]

there's the whole ambush conversation too

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/3OdzrUVpJWI?si=_3kNwsbx2WY2xGjI

[spring cairn]

Hadron is a good character but she has the misfortune of being the crafting table

[median marsh]

Sir! I'm pleased to report that we have not been ambushed

[pine wedge]

"Sah, pleased to report we have not been ambushed yet, sah!"

"Roger. Do let me know if that changes, will ya?"

[median marsh]

Thank you big man

[pine wedge]

he's so kind with him in that moment

I really like cutthroat

good character

[summer mural]

cutthroat vet is based

[bold veldt]

ong

[pine wedge]

with layers ✨

[summer mural]

his va is also based

[median marsh]

Veterans and Ogryns are best buds

[bold veldt]

why not

[spring cairn]

Brawler has the best interaction lines with vets

[earnest snow]

Beautiful voice lines but yes. I would be very happy if they started going in a direction with the cadian vet of a over arching...substory? Of the rejects together slowly helping the vet in their own way better handle the fact their planet got beybladed and caused the cicatrix maledictum.

I love the whole wholesome and hope in my grimdark universe

[queen laurel]

unfortunate that his brain is literally being cooked by his implant

which makes him the dumbest out of the three

[summer mural]

"beybladed"

[spring cairn]

bully is p moronic

[summer mural]

bully is the smartest of the three

[earnest snow]

Abaddon absolutely let that fortress spin

[bold veldt]

isnt he getting practically bullied for having trauma

[pine wedge]

idk man we got Bodyguard going "Planet can be fixed. Right?" I don't think the rejects are up to the task of helping him

[queen laurel]

no, doesn't have an implant, and he naturally just speaks that well and he's the smartest out of the three

[pine wedge]

bodyguard clears, sorry

[earnest snow]

He has a point.

[spring cairn]

bodyguard is smarter

[summer mural]

bodyguard is too wholesome

[spring cairn]

bully is just angry

[storm jungle]

Bully and bodyguard are both very smart

[earnest snow]

Just rebuild the planet

[bold veldt]

id be angry too if all of my kind were dumber than me

[pine wedge]

when you find the water cartel corpses at the bottom of the bazar elevator he recalls and correctly pronounces the term "internecine conflict"

bully could NEVER

[queen laurel]

Yeah the two of them are definitely way smarter than brawler and brawler has an implant

[summer mural]

AMM-OO

[earnest snow]

It's because it's annoying to hear all the time for the other rejects

[storm jungle]

Bully instantly figures out what the Water Cartel are doing in the torrent sometines when you spawn.

Hes just more focused on violence first as a measure.

[queen laurel]

Brawler is just absolutely stupid and that is why I went with him

[pine wedge]

bodyguard also makes fun of bully in a conversation with him and he dances intellectual circles around him, bully has no idea wtf is going on

[spring cairn]

you got the ogryn trifecta with the voices : Angry, Hungry and Loyal

[storm jungle]

Bully is also like

literally an Ork/Ogre

hes still great

but Bodyguard is my first ogryn so im biased lol

[spring cairn]

that's why i picked bully

[queen laurel]

the voice line of brawler going

"come here and i'll show you what really hurts"

[spring cairn]

Because i wanted to make an ork

[summer mural]

doesnt brawler like, offer hugs

[queen laurel]

yes, but remember with the flip of a coin he can be the most violent out of the three

He has the most battle experience out of the three

[earnest snow]

Just wanna fight

[queen laurel]

they don't call him a brawler for nothing

[pine wedge]

bully's VA has two different modes for his lines, angry growls (very cool) and a sort of plaintive moaning drawl (do not like)

[summer mural]

doesnt brawler have a thing where he just wants to protect his friends in a hopeless galaxy

[queen laurel]

And this guy has eaten an entire grox

[spring cairn]

brawler wants to eat things like trappers, which are literally people to some degree

[pine wedge]

if he was growling all the time I'd love him, but I hate his "ughgh so BOOORING" delivery

[queen laurel]

Yes but remember this guy has Led Ogryn squads

[pine wedge]

not hate as in, he did a bad job. I just think bully sounds like a wanker then.

[earnest snow]

Doesn't one of the ogryn lines start with him being sad about losing his lucky rock and one of the pyskers figure out its a skull not a rock thus convincing the ogryn to just get another lucky rock

[summer mural]

theres also a dialogue where one of the vets flames the other for being on and on about cadia all the time , and it gets pretty heated

[queen laurel]

that's brawler

[earnest snow]

Beautiful

I love him

[median marsh]

"You'll fall apart at the very last moment, just like cadia"

[pine wedge]

Brawler is mostly focused on being a good soldier and eating stuff. Bodyguard enjoys fighting "with friends" and often reassures his "little friends" not to worry because he is there. Bully is angry, likes killing, and gets upset when people accuse him of giving a fuck (he gives a lot of fucks, he's a softie)

[summer mural]

🔥

[queen laurel]

https://youtube.com/shorts/2aHACM0_9s0?si=RalUewAqP9cCYL8D

[spring cairn]

need update

more lines required

[earnest snow]

Yes

[spring cairn]

never enough

[summer mural]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2yx7gdPyB0

[pine wedge]

Bully is at his best when he's rescuing people and says nice things to them under his breath. That's peak.

But its only peak because he's such an angry little shit the rest of the time

[queen laurel]

Think he's basically regarded as an imperial ork most of the time

generally angry and just wants to kill stuff

[earnest snow]

Propa fight

[summer mural]

bully also complains about killsteals, thats hilarious

" That was my kill Zealot"
"Look out ! Boom Barrel!"

[twilit musk]

jon jon?

[rose thorn]

Does anyone have a picture of the ancient af centaur titan model

[median marsh]

This?

[rose thorn]

Lmao thank you

[spring cairn]

some things are best forgotten

[tulip brook]

so funny, you can see chaos, tyranid, knight, eldar in the design

it's like they threw kitchen sink into the model design then separate them into different factions

[crisp heath]

damn the old my little pony sure was whack

[rocky gale]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/12/dawnbringer-chronicles-xvi-the-summercourt/

Our first in universe look at Ushoran, god I love him

[arctic talon]

Love to see death politics

[storm jungle]

still cannot get over how fucking metal he looks ngl

[rocky gale]

He's such a charming fellow

I love that Gorymayne was made Lord Justice because he's the only guy able to see through the delusion, so like he's the only guy who genuinely knows what's going on.

[queen laurel]

The world will shatter when @rocky gale receives the news that gw will delay his release

[rocky gale]

They've kept him from me for so long already

My darling husband

[rose thorn]

There is a picture of hun of how he looks in his mind on the limited edition battle tomb and he looks like a main character

[arctic talon]

He’s him

[rose thorn]

Oh we are probably gonna get a Dawn bringer stuff with the rest of the flesh eaters court heroes ballin

[queen laurel]

I wish i look just as good as him coming out to the basement after 5 years

I swear aos gets the good models more frequently

[arctic talon]

It does

Because they literally have almost no limits

For most factions

[queen laurel]

Their treatment of factions are also better

Love is mostly spread equally

[arctic talon]

In terms of equal attention in lore?

Not really Imo

[queen laurel]

I mean the beast men are still the beastmen so that's sad

[arctic talon]

But it’s def better then 40K

Beastmen 💀

Lore irrelevant

[rocky gale]

It just takes some time for them to get to it, like Flesheaters didn't have much until the Dawnbringer stuff started

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[rocky gale]

That's when they started getting good models and lore attention

[arctic talon]

Some factions still have very “bare” ranges

Skaven and beastmen need updates badly

[queen laurel]

You remember when they revealed that kragnos was for destruction

[arctic talon]

God

I felt so bad

[queen laurel]

And not the beastmen

[arctic talon]

For beastmen players

Literally getting cucked

Out of a mini that looks like it fits perfectly

With the army lol

[queen laurel]

Yeah if i didn't know this guy belonged in destruction i wouldn't believe someone when they told me this guy isn't beastmen

[arctic talon]

Regarding faction ranges that are like super thin

[summer mural]

oh shit what happened to centigors in aos

[arctic talon]

Nothing. It’s just that one guy lol

[summer mural]

[arctic talon]

But idoneth have a very thin range

But they’re a new army so

Meh

[queen laurel]

I forgot aquaman elves exist in the setting now

[arctic talon]

Same with daughters of khaine

But they really aren’t missing anything lol

Maybe some bulkier units

But meh

[rocky gale]

Daughters of Khaine are a faction that need something, but like what?

They've only got like 5 units

[arctic talon]

16 🤓

Units iirc

[rocky gale]

Not counting ones that are the same unit but with a different weapon it's closer to like 8

[arctic talon]

Apparently according to their war scroll they have 23 units

I have

No clue where half of these come from

Also they get the avatar of khaine

[rocky gale]

War Scrolls include endless spells as well I think

[arctic talon]

I’m excluding endless spells

Oh

Some of their kits are super modular

And have 3 build options

Lmao

[rocky gale]

Yea the Shrine/claudron has like four or five different scrolls depending on how you build it

[arctic talon]

So yeah they have like

9 or 10 actual kits lol

[rocky gale]

and their Battleline troops the Sisters of Slaughter/Witch Aelves are like 12 year old models at this point, so they aren't massively outdated compared to some of the other factions in AoS but they're getting there.

[arctic talon]

Tbh

They look fine

Mostly

[potent karma]

Oh right... Months of Shame wasn't the only time the Inquisition got their ass handed to them.

Because he, Cato Sicarius, will not allow such slander upon his brethren.

[storm jungle]

they kinda won at the end of the day

because the Inquisition was right, its just that the Inquisitor at the head of it all was a braindead moron

[potent karma]

Or an Inquisitor trying to order a Custodes... or trying to push the Mechanicus around...

[storm jungle]

It kinda depends again.

The mechanicus mostly works, the custodians less so

[crisp heath]

I mean the head guy got yeeted from life, they had to reveal the existence of Grey Knights, and were strong armed into a ceasefire

Just because they were "right" doesn't mean they won

[storm jungle]

I mean they did.

The existence of the grey knights also still isn't well known

And him gettign yeeted changes nothing, Inquisitors are everywhere and always die/get made.

[potent karma]

And Inquisition was banned from ever coming to Fenris

[storm jungle]

Their business was done so it also matters little, they can still return in full force.

The people forget Fenris was literally surrounded lol

[shadow plover]

An Inquisitor rolls the worst lho-stick, is asked to leave Fenris

[storm jungle]

But basically yeah one inquisitor dying changed very little because at the end of the day the soldiers the space wolves rescued still got terminated because the war was being stretched on for far too long and Fenris was going to literally be bombarded to shit as the situation escalated before Bjorn talked everyone down.

After Magnus' attacks centuries later though the Wolves for once stood down and also let their population be liquidated

[potent karma]

That still did not sit well with Grimnar, and only fueled his anger against the Inquisition.

[storm jungle]

Okay but like again, its just one Chapter

also nobody likes the Inquisition so thats nothing new

[earnest snow]

Wait so how many got liquidated? I never looked too much into the months of shame

[storm jungle]

Undetermined, was just a lot of people both civillians and guardsmen

[potent karma]

What remained of Fenris normal pop was purged because they witnessed a demon primarch.

[storm jungle]

OH THAT

Yeah literally everyone was killed lol

the Space Wolves were hurt bad so they could not even deny it

[potent karma]

Inquisition definitely took advantage of that weakness

[storm jungle]

Nah they were completely correct in this case

there was a literal daemon primarch-lead daemonic invasion of the planet

[earnest snow]

That makes sense. Idk how they recovered the population when fenris is a hellscape but I'm sure they figured something out

[storm jungle]

Transported in other feral-worlders

Same protocol as armageddon

[crisp heath]

The new Fenrisians aren't even wolf people. rip

[earnest snow]

Your population got depleted so here have these people frothing at the mouth

Civilize em pls

[crisp heath]

Anyway daily reminder that the Emperor's Spears are Space Wolves but actually cool

[potent karma]

Thankfully, Cicatrix Maledictum changed all that as the knowledge of daemon primarchs is out in the open.

[crisp heath]

Friendship ended with Fenris, now Nemeton is my new best friend

[earnest snow]

The inquisitions worst nightmare

[crisp heath]

I like the inquisition... When I died, an inquisitorial agent and a sororitas prayed over my body, granting it peace in the arms of the God-Emperor. My death was hard and ragged, taken out by the flak of a bombardment cannon. The shrapnel had twisted its way into my stomach, serrating my innards. I could not feel my legs when two figures wreathed in light walked forth from the smoke and rubble. They were dirtied and yet their robes and Armour gleamed under the heathen shadows, pushing back dark shadows with Imperial light. As I gurgled my last breaths, begging for release, they paused, standing over me to pray, and then the inquisitor ended my pain. Though... something must have gone wrong with their prayers... my soul is not with the God-Emperor. It now wanders the imperiums battlefields, in search for other faithful souls whose time came too soon. Together, our souls hold power, and every now and again we are able to influence events for the living.

[potent karma]

What if scenario: descendants of the First War of Armageddon that was able to get away during the Months of Shame, planning revenge on the Inquisition.

[crisp heath]

Lol they wouldn't make it very far, but it'd be an interesting story

[earnest snow]

With how things are going i wonder if they will get the resources to do anything of note to the inquisition

[potent karma]

You’d be surprised how many would gladly and secretly help. Inquisition is hated after all.

[crisp heath]

That's true, but they are also necessary. Without the inquisition, the imperium would absolutely fall

[potent karma]

Hate is a wonderful motivator

[earnest snow]

If only Russ was here to motivate that further assuming he hasn't grown up

[crisp heath]

Also, taking on the inquisition would be extremely difficult

[storm jungle]

The Inquisition is not a unified organisation, you can't take "revenge" on them.

[crisp heath]

Because they have no hierarchy or strcture

[storm jungle]

You'd be attacking some random inquisitor and he'd just go

"WHO ARE YOU PEOPLE"

[crisp heath]

Lol pretty much

[earnest snow]

Well maybe that inquisitor shoulda listened at school

[crisp heath]

And the rest of the inquisitors will be spread out through the galaxy

[earnest snow]

Don't you know in this sector there are rabid citizens

They hold the line against chaos but they rabid

[storm jungle]

yeah this isnt like "I wanna take down the CIA" and you go and AC130 bombard Langley

[potent karma]

A shadow war essentially

[crisp heath]

Attacking the inquisition in a meaningful matter, at least to my mind, is almost impossible. Theres no leader to take out. No headquarters. Any inquisitor can take the position of another.

[earnest snow]

Good idea I'll shelve it for later

[storm jungle]

^

its literally impossible and pointless

best you can do is be the better man and go team up with someone like a rogue trader and make your own journey

[potent karma]

Well… hate makes people irrational

[earnest snow]

Send the galaxy into the warp see how the inquisition "dodges" that

[crisp heath]

@potent karma nah. It makes them Khornate

And they ain't planning much lol

[earnest snow]

If the inquisition can dodge being tossed into the warp on a galactic scale they can dodge a ball

[crisp heath]

😅🤣

But basically, to simplify stuff, attacking the inquisition on a whole as an organization is almost impossible due to their loose structure, massive spread, and lack of integral locations. Where you might be able to damage or even end a single inquisitor, you'll never be able to do much to the monolith he/she represents.

[storm jungle]

Yeah the real problem is literally every Inquisitor is doing their own thing on their own corner of the galaxy.

Inquisitors die and get recruited to be one around the clock.

[snow fern]

lotta failing upwards too, as long as your rabid enough, and somebody died recently enough, you'll get the job

[crisp heath]

That's everything in 40k though lol

[storm jungle]

Usually depends in the Inquisition

[crisp heath]

Not just the inquisition

[storm jungle]

you actually need approval from 2-3 other Inqs to become one

its like Harvard but the gestapo lol

[crisp heath]

Oh really? I didn't know that!!! I thought it was up to the inquisitor training them. Basically if the interrogator met their inquisitors requirements, they would progress to be an inquisitor themselves. I didn't know they had to get approval from one or two more as well

[snow fern]

At least they have some regulation, even if it's only for stuff like Exterminatus

[tulip brook]

it's not like they use system wide exterminatus for arguably manageable situations

[storm jungle]

Yeah nobody can just become an Inquisitor, its an EXTREMELY delicate and important process.

Lots of politics are involved.

[tulip brook]

or cause a sm civil war for egotripping?

[snow fern]

Well more than that, if an Exterminatus happens, it's heavily investigated

Despite the size of the galaxy, there are only so many planets in it, Exterminatus effectively removes 1 of them permanently

[crisp heath]

@storm jungle oh I knew not just anyone could become one, I just didn't know other inquisitors had a say in whether another's interrogator could move up. It makes sense though

[storm jungle]

Yeah its mostly to make the recruitment process more strict

[tulip brook]

investigated by most likely the same inquisitors that okayed your application in the first place

[crisp heath]

That makes sense

[potent karma]

I still remember that one idiotic inquisitor that accused the Ultramarines' CHIEF LIBRARIAN of corruption.

[tulip brook]

how about the one trying to order custodes around?

[potent karma]

Or order the Mechanicus around

[crisp heath]

Lol the custodes incident was funny if a remember right

[storm jungle]

which one is that

[potent karma]

Inquisitor Erasmus Crowl was his name... fool he was.

[snow fern]

Remember when Leandros sicked the inquisition on his captain instead of going to a chaplin like the codex tells him too

Leandros is the worst

[potent karma]

That should never have happened. If the Inquisition arrested an Ultramarines CAPTAIN, Calgar would have been involved.

[crisp heath]

@storm jungle I gotchu

One sec

[snow fern]

We don't even know if Titus was arrested or deathwatched or whatever, unless there's a book between SM 1 and 2 I'm unaware of

[crisp heath]

Crowl drew himself up to his full height. In normal circumstances that stance would have been imposing – he was a head taller than most human males, and his master-crafted armour added to that heft – but just then he felt little more substantial than the broken warriors who littered the floor. He let Sanguine’s muzzle drop – it would be of no more use here.

‘Waiting for something?’ he asked.

Before him, immense and wreathed in dying curls of plasma, loomed the destroyer of his men. He was more than a giant. He was a leviathan, a juggernaut of gold and black, an armour-bound killing construct studded with blades and jewels and plumes. His battleplate was heavy, unsullied, carved into swirls and arcane symbology, and palpably crackling with ferocious energies. Massive shoulder-guards, rearing high over a lightning-embossed breastplate, enclosed a tall helm crested with a mane of black horsehair. In his right gauntlet he held a guardian spear, a glaive twice the height of a human-normal subject. The halberd thrummed with plasma snarls, vibrating down the heavy length of the shaft and making the steel walls around them swim with reflections. A long black cloak hung behind him, and for all the carnage he had caused, he was immaculate – untouched by blood or grime, as dazzling as a shard of ancient sun cast into the mire of the world.

[potent karma]

Well at least it seems he has been acquited per Space Marine 2

[crisp heath]

There were stories told of such creatures as this, myths spun across the gulf of ten thousand years until they had swelled and burst beyond all reason. To live to witness one of the Angels of Death was a privilege granted to a vanishingly small proportion of humanity. To witness one of this select order was even rarer, something even the great lords of the Throneworld’s mighty citadels and macrocathedrals would barely dare to dream of. It had been said by some that they no longer existed – just another casualty of the darkening of the long ages, a mere echo of a greater past that had long since sunk into oblivion. Perhaps, others offered, they had never had been real at all. Perhaps they had always been chimeras, phantoms dreamed up by desperate men in desperate times to make the night seem a little less cold.

There was a certain satisfaction to be found in proving such speculation wildly, unforgivably and indubitably false.

‘Why are you here, inquisitor?’ said the Imperial Custodian. Though nominally a question, it was delivered as a command, as if the speaker could countenance no response but acquiescence. The voice was as otherworldly as his physical appearance – deep, measured, betraying no accent but that of the most strenuous refinement of High Gothic. No mortal spoke like that, nor had they done so for millennia.
@storm jungle

Crowl held his ground. The aura of extreme violence still made the air electric, and the guardian spear had not yet been powered down. ‘You have my man,’ he said. ‘I look after my own.’

[tulip brook]

that one, now he'll post the amusing part

[crisp heath]

The Custodian considered that for a moment. His helm-face was a piece of artistry beyond anything Crowl had ever witnessed in battle-armour – a tracery of wings rising from a hawk-like vox-guard, enclosing twin jewelled lenses amid swashes of heavy gold. He found himself recalling the Ministorum images of Sanguinius, those adoring frescoes of the Angel himself, and wondered just how mind-alteringly magnificent a living primarch must have been if this were not the pinnacle of human martial splendour.

‘You would come here, then,’ the Custodian said, ‘in defiance of justice, and dare to take him from me.’

So this was the test. For all his long years of service, Crowl was not an excessively proud man. He knew perfectly well the myth-born god before him could end him with a single strike of that guardian spear. Even if it had been in his nature, though, there was no room for dissemblance here. This creature, so the legends went, had been built to perceive the nature of falsehood.

‘He is my man,’said Crowl again, lifting his chin. ‘You want him, you come through me.’

The Custodian made no move. The halberd’s energy field rippled across the monomolecular edge of the great glaive’s blade, itself a metre long.

‘What are you named?’ the Custodian asked.

‘Erasmus Crowl, the Ordo Hereticus.’

‘What do you know of Phaelias?’

‘Nothing at all.’ Crowl took up his rosette and fixed the golden giant with a defiant glare. ‘But if you do, then you are bound by the authority of this mark to disclose it.’

There was something like a laugh then, rumbling up from the heart of that rococo armour – a deep and fleeting amusement at the audacity of it, echoing from the fluted lines of the crafted vox-grille. ‘I am bound by no authority but the Throne.’

‘Then that makes two of us.’

It took another second for the energy field crawling across the glaive-blade to flicker out, and even then Crowl could not be sure that it wouldn’t come scything across at him, whistling through the air faster than thought. A rosette could halt many things, but not, he guessed, that spear.

‘It is rare, inquisitor, that I leave the precincts of His Palace,’ the Custodian said. ‘When I consulted the augurs two dawns ago, seeking the path to truth among the maze of falsehood, there was no certainty in my mind. I might have sent a lesser servant. Even now, I do not know with any certainty why I did not do so, and chose instead to attend this hunt in person, for I am not habitually given to whims.’

‘I don’t doubt it.’

Finally, then – finally – the Custodian relaxed his stance, and his grip on the halberd’s stave relaxed. For the first time Crowl noticed the ranks of arbitrators clustered further down the corridor, their weapons trained on him, and it struck him how ludicrous that was.

The Custodian himself moved as if there were no one there but the two of them – no prisoner, no stricken storm troopers, no troopers of the fortress, just two sanctioned agents of the Emperor’s immortal will.

‘I have many names, but you will call me Navradaran,’ the Custodian said. ‘Now we will talk.’
@storm jungle

[storm jungle]

Okay yeah this

Crowl NEVER attempted to order the Custodian around

he was literally having a coomer moment fucking meeting one

[crisp heath]

Not really order him around per se, but he did try and shove a bit of authority at him and all it garnered was a bit of respect lol

[potent karma]

My favorite is still when inquisitor tried to mess with the Ultramarines because he had a massive hate-boner for psykers

[tulip brook]

yeah, showing inquisition badge and tell him to talk
custodian> lol lmao

[storm jungle]

That was mostly because he was in an absolute rush

and was like "BRO IM ON AN INVESTIGATION, PLEASE"

the Custodian trusts him afterwards and also gives him a summoning beacon

[crisp heath]

🤣 yea basically

[storm jungle]

He adores the Custodes so he was just annoyed

[crisp heath]

Custodes was like, "Bitch please, you is not about to tell me what to do. But alright, since you guys are Imperial agents of the emperor, I guess I'll help."

Also I think the custodes felt like the emperor was guiding him, as he states he very rarely leaves the palace, and this was work he'd normally have left to lesser agents

[earnest snow]

Truly a happy moment among custodes and inquisitor

[crisp heath]

And yet, inexplicably, he took on the task personally

[potent karma]

A frightening What If situation...

What if Bjorn was slain during the Months of Shame?

[earnest snow]

Rare

But cool

[earnest snow]

They would get the dude who makes their alcohol to replace him

[storm jungle]

^

[crystal forum]

i really want to believe that gravis armour is an attempt to replace terminator armour with something more easily produceable but i doubt GW puts that much thought into their products

[rocky gale]

Maybe originally, but now they've introduced new scale terminator models so there's no chance they're getting rid of them.

[tulip brook]

I heard that was the initial idea

gravis being the primaris termie armor

[radiant lance]

"hm how could we sell more minis?"
"What if made space Marines but bigger, and make the old ones obsolete?"
"Genius."

[crisp heath]

That's the concept. But just because one comes out doesn't mean the other stops too. One will just inevitably outpace another. Think about new cars vs old. New cars inevitably will be more common on the street eventually, but old cars tend to stick around in one form or another long after the new cars take over

Hell there's YouTube channels - Coldwarmotors- who drives a Model T almost daily in the non winter months

[radiant lance]

I thought the old space Marines are no longer valid for tournaments?

[crisp heath]

That idk. Not very fluent on the tourneys

[radiant lance]

https://www.thegamer.com/games-workshop-is-finally-retiring-space-marines/

The most recent iteration on the Space Marine is the Primaris, a so-called ‘true-scale’ version of the iconic space soldier more befitting the stature described in the lore. They sat alongside the previous models, and for years you could field both on the tabletop. However, that option is soon going to be severely limited as Games Workshop is stopping the production of many ‘firstborn’ (read: old) Space Marine units, whose rules will be relegated to ‘legends’ status, only for use in friendly matches.
Sorta I think

[tulip brook]

someone somewhere lost their entire 20 years old army

[alpine trellis]

Does anyone know if there's an image (official or not) of a drop-keep out there? I've been diving into Imperial/Chaos Knights lore for fun and came across that term. Sounds pretty massive if it has a portculis, armed (I assume) ramparts, and holds twelve knights...

[rose thorn]

im planning to conver my old marines to HH

since the yare bascially tghe same

[crisp heath]

FOR THE LOVE OFFF GOOOOODDDD!!!

[rocky gale]

People attribute the Primaris to GW greed (When yea it's company it wants to sell you new shit) but they were basically just a range refresh for Space Marines, the difference being when any other faction gets a range refresh their old models stop being supported pretty much instantly, but with the Primaris the Marines players got special treatment and their old models were allowed to hang around and now years later when the old models are finally being gradually phased out, SM players are complaining about it.

[crisp heath]

That was the point. They needed people who had old armies to buy new ones

@rocky gale you'd be correct if the didn't make old space marines obsolete and unplayable

[rocky gale]

Primaris were introduced like 7 years ago at this point, firstborn only became obsolete and unplayable within the last year

[crisp heath]

The fact that they did that, solely correlates to them trying to defunct old armies and units to make people purchase new ones

Sure. They had to give people time to make enough money to buy new armies

That shits expensive

[rocky gale]

Infact during 9th edition many Space Marine tournament armies were mostly Firstborn because they were quite powerful

[arctic talon]

first born are still very strong lol

[rocky gale]

Yea, there are still firstborn lists in 10th edition

[arctic talon]

also GW are doing away with the primaris distinction anyways

[arctic talon]

There is no official images of Drop keeps

[crisp heath]

Something I'd been thinking about for awhile- the Votaan are genetically engineered "clones" in a sense. A bit more complicated but basically that. All their attributes are picked by a computer. I wonder what would happen if they threw in some Eldar DNA in the mix, or Hrud, or any other xenos. I wonder if they'd be able to do like a real 50/50 splice, and mix all their better characteristics into the perfect chimera species

[arctic talon]

good question