40k-lore-chat

[rocky gale]

If you're not competent enough to avoid falling down the console pit, then you were not qualified for the job in the first place.

[tulip brook]

The job of pushing buttons on a console

[solar canopy]

hey i'll let you knowim really good at pushing peoples buttons ... where do i apply?

[rocky gale]

The job of pushing buttons on the console, while avoiding falling into the console pit.

[tulip brook]

You are the perfect candidate. Just go to the local inquisitorial branch

[storm jungle]

people in 40k get servitorized for just being on a console that recieves a secret message from a custodian

the Imperium is not suppose to be efficient

Anything "grimderp" is to rightfully show this entire faction is stupid

[tulip brook]

But mechanicum is, at least that's what they say

[storm jungle]

All of the Imperium is

its not exactly suppose to be sensible

[tulip brook]

Until Rannick falls down to the bowels of the ship

[rocky gale]

One cannot ignore the cultural importance of the console pit

[storm jungle]

Thats why he has his own massive office

[queen laurel]

a lot of people in the imperium would give a Hell pit abomination a run for it's money with how ugly they are

[storm jungle]

but yeah its the same as how the guardsmen at the end of Pariah Nexus shoots a kid and people go "that was needlessly grimderp"

yeah welcome to 40k lol

[solar canopy]

lets be real

the kid prolly deserved it

[storm jungle]

I mean I'm evil so

[solar canopy]

(me not having read Pariah Nexus at all)

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

Least dogmatic zealot

[tulip brook]

The guardsmen have been dealing with zombies for weeks at that point

The kid looks like a zombie

It makes perfect sense

[solar canopy]

i mean ... stupid kid .... why would you dress like a zombie? ...

[tulip brook]

Even the emaciated look, pff kids are stupid

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah I also have this funny image

[solar canopy]

thats like strolling through redneck woods dressed like big foot ... thats totally on you

[storm jungle]

wow Malekith is desperate

[storm jungle]

this is a GTA 5 Mission btw

[queen laurel]

ikit claw the best weapons dealers befriends fantasy Darth Vader

[rocky gale]

Skaven and Druchii after seeing they won't be included in the Old World releases

[queen laurel]

I mean I would definitely try befriending the rats that have nuclear weapons let's be real, remember what happened to altdorf

[rocky gale]

RIP to the Skaven, Druchii, Vampire Counts and Lizardmen.

[queen laurel]

You're telling me brettonia returned but not the skaven?

[rocky gale]

Rat tunnels must have collapsed

[shadow plover]

skaven weren't a thing during the period this game is set in

it's a couple hundred years before the WFB era

or rather not that common

[spring cairn]

TK ?

Ravening hordes ?

[queen laurel]

So basically they time traveled the setting?

[shadow plover]

a weird way of putting it but yes I suppose

[queen laurel]

I guess I can only wait for them to slowly add the other factions or they completely abandon it

[shadow plover]

they're not redoing WFB and retelling the same stories, rather going to the past to tell new stories

[rose thorn]

they said they will still have ruels but not be apart of the story

[queen laurel]

i would love to see Grimgor again

[rose thorn]

imma be real, i dont think its gonna be as big as gw thinks old world is gonna be

[spare osprey]

Backlash?

[shadow plover]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2024/01/02/old-world-almanack-designer-round-table-on-how-the-new-old-lore-was-written/

y'all can just read it here

[rose thorn]

congrats for everyone who is going to play, like my favorite aos content creator siad 'ive been listening to age of shitmar for year, maybe those people will finally be happy'

[queen laurel]

if they're going to start writing some warhammer fantasy books set in this new era they are going to make I'm going to try to read some

But of course I need to develop a few more brain cells for that

[shadow plover]

they most likely will

[queen laurel]

yes they will probably do and I can't wait to see how they will handle these character lore books they used to make in that new era

[storm jungle]

I hope it flops.

Fantasy fans are annoying as fuck

[queen laurel]

Yeah it's probably going to two things

It succeeds in what it's going to do

or falls harder than cadia when it got hit by the Blackstone fortress

[rose thorn]

'aos is boring and not as interesting and its jsut fantasy tropes' litearl shit fantasy fans have complained to me about

[queen laurel]

Aesthetically and I mean just the feel of the setting I would go fantasy but, age of sigmar is amazing and is pretty well fleshed out I mean yes it is practically just high fantasy but it is very good high fantasy

Also age of sigmar is more lore flexible

which is another fun thing

[spring cairn]

Thanks you for reminding me it's forbidden to have different tastes

[mild rapids]

I dunno why tomb kings are "bad guys"

[rose thorn]

my friend who i showed aos because she is a tolken fan wasnt interested in fantasy because what she seen its just tolken shit but different colored

[storm jungle]

When you are being a toxic dipshit about it yes

[rocky gale]

Old World is a con by GW to sell you 40 year old resin models for the same price as modern plastic

[storm jungle]

Fantasy fans have been screeching to the void for years now

[rose thorn]

i feel like people undermind how different aos is to almost every other setting

[shadow plover]

read the article

[queen laurel]

Genuinely don't treat people as sentient living beings that are annoying as **** to deal with

[spring cairn]

Pot calling the kettle black

[queen laurel]

They are completely different like people can't differentiate what's low fantasy and high fantasy

end like come on AOS just has the superior models

i don't ******* care come at me fantasy fans

[forest orbit]

Fantasy fans are the ones shitting on another setting for almost a decade now and being man-children for a setting they themselves helped kill lol

[queen laurel]

i will stand my ground like an ogre stands against a horde of skaven

[rose thorn]

there arent many fantasy games that give you space dwarves in a fantasy setting

[storm jungle]

Dwemer my beloved.

[storm jungle]

also yeah fans killed WHF as much as GW

literally nobody was playing it lol

[spring cairn]

Generalisation central

[forest orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/kriziebizie-krizziebuoy-magmastuff-magstok-pootisman-gif-1255252459385296217

amogus

[rose thorn]

it would be really funny if 40k got their own end times just to see how many people have a melt down over it

[storm jungle]

it wont until it stops making money

[queen laurel]

i at least hope the revived old world gameplay will be just as shitty

[storm jungle]

but id love it just for the chaos

[rose thorn]

i would only play fantasy because i love wood elves

but i like aos wood elves more, they just got mulched tho

[rocky gale]

Like GW could have made an actual effort with completely new range releases for Old World, but instead it's like two new releases for each faction with 90% of the rest of it being the old Fantasy models rereleased without any updates.

[storm jungle]

^

also re-using old shitty models

minus like 1-3 new ones

lol

[rose thorn]

the leaks show that, its 90% the old crusty models

which use to be in cities lmao

[rocky gale]

Yep and even about half the new releases are going to be Forgeworld Resin (which isn't good) instead of plastic

[queen laurel]

Bro why would you go back to that look at AOS wood elves

look at THAT

[rose thorn]

thats the god of life she is baller af

[storm jungle]

Alarielle went from

Generic elven princess
to
Muscle goddess big amazonian mom

[shadow plover]

albeit FW resin quality and sculpts is very good nowadays, more expensive though

[rose thorn]

tbh the obly thing in aos i want is more deef elves

deer*

that is my only complaint

[rocky gale]

I have tried to work with Forgeworld Resin, it's alright on larger projects but on smaller minis with like singular models it's not great.

[queen laurel]

the black powder buccaneers is ******* amazing

[shadow plover]

I've got plenty of FW minis and yes that is true for most of the older kits but anything released in the past 3 years or so have been stellar

[queen laurel]

I don't care what fantasy fans will say fantasy orcs are way too generic, the only reason why they were good was the characters but on AOS I can look at this and cry with how amazing it looks

[storm jungle]

Orcs in any setting will always be generic

its why they got an appeal

[rose thorn]

*except tolken but he technically created it lmao

[queen laurel]

Yeah but if I am to choose I would pick AOS orcs over old fantasy

[spring cairn]

they can be as generic as they want aslong as they keep the funny british hooligan accent

[rocky gale]

I got an eightfold harvest lord and it was such bad quality and so difficult to work with that I got so annoyed that I just threw it out, swore I'd never work with FW resin again.

[queen laurel]

Yes old fantasy had some amazing characters but you can make them in AOS too and you

[summer mural]

old fantasy orks had good characters too, good chunk of em

[shadow plover]

I love AoS models but honestly dwarf slayers got a downgrade ngl

[queen laurel]

Yes but as a faction you know

Generic evil green brutes that will punch you to death

in AOS they have a lot more flavor

[summer mural]

well, they were just typical fantasy orks

[spring cairn]

worked just fine

[summer mural]

but they had a lot of named characters across the board that were good

[rose thorn]

i want bone splitters update so bad

bone splitters are myf avorite clan

[queen laurel]

oof they are on a rough ******* position

[rose thorn]

their new models are the best looking tho

[queen laurel]

their models are probably older than @storm jungle

[shadow plover]

Thats fair and sorry that you had that experience but did you try to contact the support with it? More often than not FW will send a new one if the one you received is poor quality

[queen laurel]

( Dilara i will randomly throw shade at you whenever i can )

[summer mural]

so whats life like on terra

[queen laurel]

Shit, unless you're one of the rich folk

[summer mural]

is the emprahs palace the size of a continent?

seems like it , given custodes are practically having battles in the hallways every weekend

[storm jungle]

It covers the entirety or 90% of the Himalayas/Nepal

[rose thorn]

let me dm you a website real quick

[rocky gale]

In retrospect I should have, but in the moment I was so flustered and annoyed, from trying so many different things to fix it myself that I wasn't thinking clearly at all. I'd washed and scrubbed it and everything because people recommend that before attempting to glue but even then I tried three different brands of glue that were recommended when working with FW resin and none of them would even stick to the Mini. By the end I was just done.

[summer mural]

thats country sized for sure

[summer mural]

is the palace like snowy

[storm jungle]

Heres the map of it stretched over an actual IRL map of its location

[summer mural]

also, is the area around the palace like a giant city

or is it more like a fortress

[storm jungle]

Its basically a single super-structure / fortress

and yes it has its own weather

[summer mural]

in the middle of nowhere , where I guess pilgrims can come

[storm jungle]

I forgot what the term for it is in english but basically when you get a massive superstructure it will eventually develop its own weather pattern in the upper ceiling lol

its uh, weird

[summer mural]

uh huh

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/HNEzD5n6SAs?si=JF9CuRGa5I4lNE0P

[queen laurel]

Apparently it's called a microclimate

[storm jungle]

Lmao thats it

[summer mural]

do the emprahs labs still exist in the basement, where he made the primarchs

[storm jungle]

Yes.

More or less every room in the palace and its under-structures are still intact.

[summer mural]

im almost too scared to ask how many basements the imperial palace has

[shadow plover]

Fair, thusfar I've not yet had any trouble washing off the mould residue and none of the paint has come off. I've had a couple instances where they have send me a whole new miniature for either a mistake in the print or mistake in the sending progress (first +100€ model was sent to the wrong address, so they sent another one, both arrived at my place still though)

[summer mural]

theres a webway gate somewhere in a basement there too iirc

[storm jungle]

Theres the big webway gate that is closed

[shadow plover]

I actually just started the new-ish Cypher book in which it's stated it has miles upon miles of abandoned lower levels so probably quite a few

[storm jungle]

^

it reaches into the planetary core

[queen laurel]

Are specialized teams sent under there to collect some important stuff?

[storm jungle]

thats almost 6000km of space

[storm jungle]

Its usually entirely abandoned

[summer mural]

oh this image is supposed to be part of the imperial palace, I see this everywhere

[storm jungle]

Yeah you can see the custodians on the bottom left

[queen laurel]

I thought they would have you know send some of their forces there to collect some stuff after all it is the emperor's creepy basement

[storm jungle]

Also as per Vaults of Terra novels theres items down there imperial leaders would sacrifice planets or entire systems to get

[summer mural]

the custodes go there to haze space marines

[queen laurel]

"the last copy of how to make pizza rolls"

[summer mural]

the emprah probably has the corpses of the missing primarchs lying around in a cupboard somewhere

the eternity gate is guarded by two battle titans

thats hilarious

because everyone and their mother has infiltrated the imperial palace

[rose thorn]

omg i think ive only seen like 1 car in anyw arhammer book

i just realized

tehre is no cards

cars*

oh necromunda has cars

but not in city

[summer mural]

wait

I JUST REALIZED THAT TOO

[rose thorn]

i was like 'that highway has a shit laod of poeple walking'

[storm jungle]

40k has cars

its just never really touched on

[summer mural]

i just assumed everyone drove land rovers and speeder bikes

y know

[storm jungle]

its a mix

[summer mural]

like white scars

do they have like luxury transports

do they have suv's

[shadow plover]

best thing about 40k is that the city planning is no longer car centric

[rose thorn]

blessed

[summer mural]

you mean they all just use some form of train?

or walking

[shadow plover]

or never leave area of one square kilometer

[summer mural]

well, im assuming private transport is for those that can afford it

[queen laurel]

Not expecting much from the imperium if their ATV's look like it's built by a militarized crack addict

[rose thorn]

here is an interesting necromunda centric question

whats your thoughts on people playing a xenos gang

in necromunda

[queen laurel]

They think they're good people

( i made an ork gang in necromunda )

[rose thorn]

i made a xenos list for necromunda and wanted the discord's opinion and they were very uh

not happy?

[queen laurel]

It's just that necromunda is very human centered, like xenos can exist in it but they are almost immediately hunted down by every single human

[rose thorn]

the thing is thats not even very true

[rocky gale]

If I remember correctly Necromunda does have a spire dedicated to Xenos

[rose thorn]

on one of the major hive cities there is a xenos trading post

YEAH

[queen laurel]

yeah my ork gang actually works as a mercenary for the highest bidder

[rose thorn]

on the second biggest hive

[queen laurel]

well that's fun well

[rose thorn]

orks have attqacked necromunda so of course there would be

they said that it gives the gang 'main chracter syndrome'

and that it immeditaly makes them more important but like

no?

[queen laurel]

The story of my gang was an ork that was supposed to be experimented escaped and and he decided when he survived at the very deepest levels of the hive after a long time his spores made a new ork gang

[rocky gale]

Necromunda is basically a kitchen sink for 40k, it's got a little bit of everything.

[queen laurel]

didn't the dark angel that has a hood also appeared in necromunda and is even wanted there?

So if space marines can make an appearance why can't xenos

[rose thorn]

cypher was litearlly there and it was very funny

[rocky gale]

Genestealers, Orks, gangs, Space Marines, Sororitas, Asuryani, Drukhari. It's got everything

[rose thorn]

genestealers literallty have rules

squats have rules

[rocky gale]

Hell doesn't House Delaque have something weird going on with Xenos

[rose thorn]

literal ai has rules

[queen laurel]

yeah so, if a very important space marine appeared there and is even wanted why can't some random aliens

[rose thorn]

there is a demon you can play

[queen laurel]

yeah just do what you want

[rose thorn]

also like, so you can start your gang with lady credo in every gang besides enforcers

[rocky gale]

It's why when I ran Dark Heresy, I set it solely on Necromunda rather than throughout an entire sector with the Retinue constantly putting out fires all over the place because it's got everything you'd ever need.

[rose thorn]

you can force your gang to be the most important gang in the camapign

[dire scarab]

so if play orgyns can 1 hit kill you in lore why cant they do it in game

[rose thorn]

in the rules

its so dumb

[rose thorn]

they can to like, normal people

[queen laurel]

Balance, the beast of nurgle can also literally just melt you by being near it

But you' survive being eaten by it

Lore accuracy and gameplay don't mix

[rocky gale]

It's just a little stomach bath

[dire scarab]

arent the rejects suppose to be a bunch of normies though, aka not spacemarines

[rose thorn]

i mean the ogyre can crush in cultists heads in oen hit

[dire scarab]

yeah thats what i was thinking lol

[rose thorn]

sorry i mean

ogryn

ogyres is aos

[summer mural]

aos has ogres?

[dire scarab]

https://tenor.com/view/kyogre-kyogresmile-pokemon-pokemon-smile-kyogre-creepy-gif-19828510

ogyre KYOGRE

[summer mural]

did greasus survive?

[rose thorn]

yea and they are very funny

[summer mural]

oh dear

[rose thorn]

his spirit livesd on

[queen laurel]

yes and on greasus no

[summer mural]

so who did

skrag?

golgfag?

[queen laurel]

Grimgor beat him to death

[summer mural]

well yes

grimgor killed all the ogres offscreen

[rose thorn]

actually ogres dont have any named characters outside of underworlds

[summer mural]

LOL

https://tenor.com/view/aplausos-clapped-leonardo-dicaprio-clap-slow-clap-gif-12389001

[rose thorn]

imma be real, iim not sure why

[queen laurel]

yeah here are special squafs they can take though

[rose thorn]

Whoops its

ogor

[queen laurel]

black powder buccaneers and Hrothgorn's Mantrappers

[rose thorn]

https://www.warhammer.com/en-GB/shop/age-of-sigmar/grand-alliance-destruction/ogor-mawtribes

here is thier store page

[queen laurel]

potato potato nobody gives a crap

[rose thorn]

i love their models but im nto into the lore

[queen laurel]

call them ogres it's a lot easier and that's what they are anyway

[rose thorn]

wait are all the anems litearly just how their own race pronounces it

names*

ogors
orruks

i cant think of any more

aleves?

aelves*

[queen laurel]

Aelves

yeah

[rose thorn]

gits

gitz*

[queen laurel]

yeah Gloomspite Gitz

[rose thorn]

omg the races names are spelt liek how they pronounce it

i didnt even realize that

krule boyz

iron jawz

bone splittas

sorry im stupid

[queen laurel]

BONESPLITTERZ yeah it's basically what the race calls themselves as turned into names

[rose thorn]

how did i never notices

[queen laurel]

It's just a bit weird to pronounce

like Orruk?

[rose thorn]

its just ork with a lisp

[queen laurel]

I know it's placed there for copyright

but it's not fun to say

[rose thorn]

OMG FYRE SLAYER IS SPELT HOW ITS SAID

[queen laurel]

yeah it's just the pronunciation of how you say fire

[rose thorn]

im pretty sure beasts of chaos' names are just what other people call them

[queen laurel]

yeah because to be fair they are literally beasts of chaos

[rose thorn]

fair

[queen laurel]

their names are pretty literal now

[rose thorn]

cygor is cyclopse + gor

[queen laurel]

maggot kin of nurgle blades of khorne

[rose thorn]

cockatrice is a mythical creature

doombull is self explanitory

i have no clue the origin of the names for the kairic acolytes

[storm jungle]

Most of the player characters are Veterans, Ogryns (who can rip tanks open or kill space marines), very strong psykers or zealots powered up on faith.

You aren't playing as literal talentless hobos, every player personality which is 21 in total is talented in fighting in some way

[rose thorn]

also technically gautn summoner is a named characterm theres only like 8 of them

gaunt summoner*

but cursling isnt a named character in aos

but he is in fantasy

[spring cairn]

least impressive character is the vet

[storm jungle]

They are pretty impressive

[rose thorn]

which makes them the most impressive

[spring cairn]

In their own right

[storm jungle]

Loose has fought Orks, Tau, Eldar among other xenos

[spring cairn]

but the rest is just on another lvl

[storm jungle]

the Cutthroat has literally fought on the fall of cadia

[spring cairn]

in term of power

[storm jungle]

theres only so much normal guys with guns can do

aside from i guess shouting so loud you raise people to their feet

[rose thorn]

i feel like the zealot is the least impressive

[spring cairn]

I guess the best thing they have is experience

[queen laurel]

Bodyguard ripped an eldar limb from limb

[rose thorn]

unless you are uh

the judge one

[queen laurel]

Or was it brawler

[rose thorn]

then you are a litearl arbite

[queen laurel]

i think between the two

[spring cairn]

Zealot has faith powers

literally

[dire scarab]

Ah so I’ll take that as we’re a mid ground then lol 😂

[storm jungle]

Slightly aboove mid lmao

the latest mission's vox-comm between traitors confirm that you killed so many people from the start to the finale that they assume you are an entire platoon

(which is 50 people)

[rose thorn]

i really hope we get imperial navy cosmetics

i want my vet to be a breacher >:)

[spring cairn]

psyker scariest

[rose thorn]

[spring cairn]

then it's ogryn close second

zealot then vet at the bottom

[queen laurel]

an average battle psyker can reduce a space marine into molten slag

[storm jungle]

In the plague wars a single psyker just throws a bunch of rocks at like 5 marines

and they all die lmao

[rocky gale]

I know we'll never get proper Sororitas cosmetics, but in my dreams all my characters would be wearing it.

[rose thorn]

ALSO REALISTIC EXPLOSIVE PROOF ARMOR

[summer mural]

how much shit did lysander get upto, his lore never ends

[rose thorn]

KINDA REDUNDANT TBH BUT STILL

[dire scarab]

I killed 2500 people in a round with 0 deaths instead of 50 does that count

[spring cairn]

killteam has the best human sized models

[rose thorn]

fr fr

[storm jungle]

Dunno beats me.

[rose thorn]

whoops i forgot hand of the archon exists

pretty killteam, but

[queen laurel]

ork kill teams are one of the best ork models around

[rose thorn]

i have them and vets

i plan to paint them as totally not deathskulls

they stole the death skulls colors

[coarse pumice]

I like the Rogue Trader retinue KT

but I need to paint it up

[rose thorn]

i think i named thems omething stupid like Grokkas stealin krue

[rocky gale]

I will never forget how disappointing it was when they announced the Hand of the Archon wouldn't get any special rules in regular 40k "Just ignore the special weapons they have, pretend they're standard Kabalites"

[queen laurel]

when your so Deathskull you steal your own color

[rose thorn]

the corsairs will probably be my next killteam

but i dont play eldar sadly

i need to work on my witches

[rocky gale]

I think the Corsairs might be mercenaries that can be added to any Aeldari force

[rose thorn]

I think so but I haven’t checked

I have too much AOS stuff to work on atm

[rose thorn]

I mainly want them for both AOS and killteam

I also need to work on my rogue trader box

[rocky gale]

Yea I just checked and they are, they're like independent Eldar pirates so either Drukhari or craftworld eldar can recruit as mercs in their armies

Oh wait were you meaning Witch Aelves from AoS, I was thinking you were meaning the Drukhari Wyches

[rose thorn]

drukhari

i have the baroding patrol

[rocky gale]

Ohhh nice

[rose thorn]

i got it for 80 bucks

im pretty sur ethe eldar boarding patrol is still avaliable too

let me check

nope

idk why tbh

it wasnt very good

[rocky gale]

Really?

20 Corsairs, 5 Banshees and Jain Zar, it was very popular in my area.

[rose thorn]

At the time corsairs we’re like the worst eldar unjt

But th units are beautiful

[spring cairn]

could the darktide psyker solo the emperor

I think with a colomnus crit oriented build he'd have enough boss damage

[rose thorn]

Pretty sure if anyone can get to the emperor then anyone could

The worlds oldest person chokes to death on a ping pong kind of thing

[rocky gale]

Dunno about the Emp, but my psyker has canonically (In Headcanon which I have decided is canon) crushed a CSM with her mind

[rose thorn]

i mean with powers prob not, but if you throw a rock hard enough or unplug his chair he should die

[rocky gale]

All my Darktide characters are based off characters from my Rogue Trader TTRPG campaigns, so my Psyker has insane original lore. Started as a Sororitas Hospitaller, secretly developed into a Psyker and eventually became a Heretek Genetor.

[crisp heath]

I think anyone could kill the emperor, as he's not really able to defend himself, should anyone do the impossible and get close enough. That said, there is the terminus decree, which might itself be instructions on how the Big E wants and needs to die.

[rose thorn]

hey what do ogyrn 'pistols' look like

[queen laurel]

your best bet is a stub cannon

House Goliath in necromunda loves to use those

[rose thorn]

yee

the voidborn scum have similar stats to an ogryn

but hey only have las pistols, auto pistols, and knives

[celest dome]

Vatborn, Voidborn are the people who live on the Space ships

[rose thorn]

yeah the void born scum are from the cold traders alliance

[brittle cradle]

hi everyone

[rose thorn]

I KNOW YOUR PFP

hiii

[brittle cradle]

?

[rose thorn]

you just brought back ancient memories lmao

[brittle cradle]

ahh noted

I think it was made by vanripper from day stone ... Hedvika-Class Imperial Automaton

[rose thorn]

yeeeee

[rocky gale]

I'd argue that the Lorenz could be an Ogryn Pistol, I could picture an Ogryn one handing it and only using the other to reload

[rose thorn]

sawnoff grenade launcher

heheh

[celest dome]

1h a gun doesn't really make it a pistol

Otherwise Grenadier Gauntlet would fit

[soft thunder]

is this just a general symbol for admech related things? I see the same symbol on the back of varius poxwalkers/groaners in the Metalfab 36 maps.

[celest dome]

Isn't it for the Workforces of the Admechs ? Like Serfs and all ?

[arctic talon]

Symbol for forgeworld Metalica

[arctic talon]

It’s the symbol for forgeworld Metalica

[celest dome]

I wonder why it's here

[soft thunder]

makes sense to me, curious what the 7 means tho

[arctic talon]

Metalican tech priests

Are present most likely

Same applies to some garia symbols around

They might be dressing up the workers in the symbols

[soft thunder]

is the fist hammer symbol only seen on metallica tech priests? That's the lexicanum page where I got the top thumbnail from

[arctic talon]

All metallican forces

[arctic talon]

7th planet in the solar system

Also why typhus targeted it

[soft thunder]

Well that makes me think maybe there are other various admech references in the metalfab clothing. Each zone has 3-4 unique clothing variants. Residential ones like Carnival and chasm station share many of the clothing variants tho.

[celest dome]

Groaner do have sector specific skins

[soft thunder]

Now I'm wondering if I've seen a stygies VIII symbol on any of them in metalfab 36 lol

here's one of the carnival/chasm overcoat variants

[arctic talon]

There’s a general lack of “mars” symbols

In darktide which is interesting

[young glacier]

The bite of 87!

[soft thunder]

There's probably a symbol for Ryza somewhere too. All the major forgeworlds get a nod I'd guess. Ryza, Metallica, Stgyies, Graia.

[soft thunder]

Anyone got an image of the Graia clothing variant for horde enemies? I'm not having luck fishing for it.

[arctic talon]

The Graia stuff is on banners

The metal smelting mission

[velvet imp]

hm... interesting.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgreK8Mxkv4

[willow belfry]

How do CSM keep their ranks? Raids? Are they all essentially demons?

[grim coyote]

by "keep their ranks" do you mean "remain captains / sergeants / dark apostles" or "maintain their warband numbers"?

[willow belfry]

Numbers

Would there be human worlds in the rift that the legions could pull from, how would that even work if there are hungry demons

[grim coyote]

I vaguely recall that they can draw slaves from the ship's crew / resident ferals

given that 40K ships are city sized and can have tens if not hundreds of thousands of menials scurrying about the place

then there's probably raiding feral worlds and grabbing whichever dudes were hard enough to survive the first wave

and of course the irregular influx of traitor successors

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/v7vnoj/how_do_chaos_space_marines_recruit_and_why_would/

[soft thunder]

these banners?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[soft thunder]

so that 7L is this symbol?

or L7, that texture might be flipped

[arctic talon]

Yes

[soft thunder]

does the L7 mean something to Graia? I'm not sure I'm convinced

[inland sigil]

Bro help ive been stuck on the same Luetin episode for a month now cuz I keep falling asleep

[tough haven]

Hm, I’ve been thinking more on how to make my Ogryn dnd character and I’m stuck on what class/subclass to make him, barbarian is the obvious choice but might be kinda bland

[green loom]

You're making an ogryn

The archetypal barbarian is just an ogryn

[tough haven]

Yeah which is why making him a barbarian seems redundant

Fighter would be the next pick but I’m not sure what subclasses would set that apart from barbarian while staying true to an Ogryn

[outer wave]

If you're doing Unearthed Arcana classes, Brute Fighter works

Its kinda boring mechnically but its strong

That or maybe Giant Rune Fighter?

[tough haven]

I’ll be using UA and homebrew, our dm is pretty chill

[tough haven]

What does it do?

[outer wave]

http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/fighter:brute-ua

Big damage, get a free 1d6 for saving throws and death saving throws

Regeneration later on

You also can roll a modified 20 on death saving throws and it counts as a natural 20

Ie you regain consciousness with 1 HP

[tough haven]

Hmm, nice

It is a little boring but it fits ogryns

[outer wave]

Its just a very VERY VERY boring subclass

[tough haven]

I could do like combat master or whatever it’s called to emulate some Ogryn abilities

[outer wave]

You could also use Giant Path Barb from what Im looking at here

http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/barbarian:giant-ua

Makes you huge at level 18 when you rage

Its a little more interesting but it does have elemental shinanigigans if you're not into that

http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/barbarian:giant

Oh here's the more official one

[tough haven]

Hm, I’d have to look at what combat master can do with UA again

[outer wave]

Forgot what that was

Is that the martial dice feat?

[tough haven]

I’d like to emulate the Ogryn ideal of either A. Hitting things with a big weapon, or B. Protecting the lil’ uns from big attacks

[tough haven]

Yeah but as a subclass

[outer wave]

I think that's Battle Master

You could just nab the feat

http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/feat:martial-adept

http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/fighter:battle-master

[tough haven]

Hm, I could do some neat stuff with the maneuvers

Maybe brute with martial adept, but the dice are fairly low with the feat, and you can only use each once I believe

Man martial classes have such few choices

[outer wave]

Yup

[tough haven]

I forget if you can do anything while grappling a target, cause I could just pick up enemies and toss em, or just pummel them into the ground lol

I could do some kinda interesting stuff outside of just hitting them hopefully

[outer wave]

There's grappler which pins the target down

But otherwise, grappling really doesnt do a ton in 5E

You can still have fun with it like tossing folks around lmao just talk with your DM

Oh and there's Tavern Brawler which IIRC gives you a bonus action to grapple?

[tough haven]

Darn, I thought with a feat I thought I could wail on them while I had em grabbed

[outer wave]

Probably Grappler

http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/feat:grappler

[tough haven]

There’s a maneuver that lets you grapple for free after an attack

[outer wave]

Actually you can still wail on them while grappling

Its just a thing you can do no feats required

[tough haven]

Ah ok

[outer wave]

http://dnd5e.wikidot.com/feat:tavern-brawler

[tough haven]

I wonder if there’s any feats that add interesting play to this character, my dm is usually cool with allowing a free feat if it’s core to the character and isn’t too OP

What weapon to use is another good question, probably a big club or hammer

Fists would be fun if they weren’t so bad in 5e

[outer wave]

He sounds like a big guy that would just use whatever

[outer wave]

Fists are always the best option

[tough haven]

Warhammer it is

[outer wave]

I think those are one handed

Unless that was the point

[tough haven]

You can two hand them for 1d10

I could use a shield, I hadn’t really considered it

But I think you might need a free hand to grapple

I dont quite remember

[outer wave]

I think a free hand is needed?

[viral yacht]

how strong is a krak grenade in lore?

[tough haven]

Enough to pierce tank armor

And by pierce I mean, turn into molten slag

[outer wave]

Considering its job is to implode on armor, probably pretty strong

Im imagining most armor like carapace is made to deal with explosive or ballistic munitions

But its not able to do anything against implosive munitions

[viral yacht]

how well would it fare against some of the monstrosities we face in the game?

[green loom]

Why are you asking this, vet gets krak nađes

[viral yacht]

ye i know i meant

lore wise

[green loom]

It'll kill pogryn if aimed right but prolly not a beast

If the captain is stuck with one he can kiss the stuck limb and about a half meter circle around it goodbye

[viral yacht]

and the chaos spawn?

also that's a weird đ

[outer wave]

Whats weird about it?

[umbral nymph]

In all seriousness, if we have a standard party of baseline humans (plus Psyker and Ogryn) and they dont have plot armor,
Plauge Ogryn - Doable especially with enough Plasma and explosives plus a Psyker
Chaos Spawn - Exponentially harder than the Plauge Ogryn but still doable. Psyker and Ogryn gonna have to do some heavy lifting with warp magic and heavy weapons.
Beast of Nurgle - This is where it gets a bit blurry. The BoN is an actual warp spawn. A demon basically. Being in the mere precense of it (or any Nurgle Spawn for that matter) should immdietly spell doom for a non augmented and sometimes augmented human. Their spit or vomit would either instantly give unfathomable dieseses if not outright melt you. Not to mention getting eaten by one. And since its a Warp Spawn, conventional weapons can still work but not be that effective.

[viral yacht]

yea i'm still wondering how that works, but i guess if some rejects that were hired by the inquisition can get and use freakin thunder hammers, then anything's possible

i'm guessing the "plot armor" in question might be a shard of the emperor (beloved) actually somehow protecting the rejects on their missions

i'm curious, how does a daemonhost compare to all of these then?

[umbral nymph]

yep pretty much, if you remember on that one cutscene in Darktide, where they investigate some chaos symbols drawn on a wall by the traitor, the operatives immidietly drop down in pain by merely looking at the symbols.

[umbral nymph]

Also where we get a bit blurry, demon possesion can manifest in a number of ways in 40k. The one in Darktide is your basic Emiliy Rose posession where they basically pilot a skin suit of the host human. And it will also depend on the power level of the demon in question before and after possesion. The most basic way is worshiping the demon before and after possesion to sustain it and grow its power.

Which brings back to the Beast of Nurgle, since its a demon, somewhere in Tertium, there are heretics actively worshiping and summoning warp spawn to the planet

not good for the planet

[queen laurel]

"The presence of the Beast is enough to kill small animals or to age or to decay larger ones. In short, the Beast is the embodiment of death and decay"

you shouldn't even be able to hit this thing with the melee weapon

Just its presence alone will rapidly age you or straight up disintegrate you

and this thing eats us

at that point you may as well have been reduced to a liquid slurry

[umbral nymph]

"Jokes on you im too stupid to be affected by the warp"

*Gets vored by a BoN and survives

[viral yacht]

yea def might be some big E shenaniganery involved... at least that's how i imagine they'll explain it in the future

[viral yacht]

"I ain't rashuns, i'm the one who eats 'em"

[umbral nymph]

[arctic talon]

The Rejects are alternatively constructed

[tulip brook]

It's a bit iffy. Summoning a daemon and binding to a host is a huge hassle. Learning the name of the daemon, finding the chaos book with actual instructions, getting ready all the required materials for ritual including human sacrifices and preparing the host including writing all the wards on their skin...

Just to leave them out in the open so 4 murderhobos feeling brave can have a go at it?

Normally those things should be more in control and absolutely scary and super rare

I guess cult of admonition is experimenting making daemonhosts with nurglings

[rose thorn]

Harlequins are the 2012 alt girl vibe I need on my life

[tulip brook]

We all need 2012 alt girls on our lives

[bronze vigil]

I guess daemonhosts are made so they are more controllable than typical daemons. It’s also hard to learn the name of the daemons, and they won’t give em that easy even if you’re a chosen of the chaos god. It’s the most guarded secret of a daemon

Also daemonhosts can last longer in real space than a daemon

[tulip brook]

Fancy demon servant, like deamon engines without cool engine part and big guns. Why would someone want to do this? Idk they are insane?

[tulip brook]

They last as long as the host lasts and biggest advantage is they are controlled by the summoner

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6X4cIrwDn4I

[tulip brook]

I was about to listen to that. Is it good?

[viral yacht]

more like trashy the incontinent

💀

[thorn zenith]

Where is John Hammer and why isny he finishing the fight?

[green loom]

Mr Workshop suffered an unfortunate wrestling incident while sparring with Mr of the Coast, and currently cannot partake in warfare

[tulip brook]

I heard mr of the coast is fighting youtubers now

Creator clash

[crisp heath]

@tulip brook I enjoyed it, but I enjoy most of his story hours

Also. Question. Is there any Batman-esque characters in 40k? I don't mean a bat ninja warrior. More someone so obscenely wealthy, the amount of money they have acts as a superpower. Tony Stark is a similar example. Obviously their genius plays a part as well... but I'm just curious if there's anything in that same vein in 40k.

Rogue traders come to mind.... but I don't think that's exactly what I'm looking for

[tulip brook]

Curze?

[crisp heath]

Right. But that's more the bat ninja warrior

I'm talking more the wealth factor

Like, iron man and batman can build and own anything they can feasibly imagine, because of their wealth. It's how they make their suits, gadgets and vehicles. Everything. Batmans literally the wallet of the justice league. Same for tony and the avengers.

Is there anybody like that in 40k?

[tulip brook]

Nazdreg

[crisp heath]

Hmm, never heard of him!

Definitely gonna have to look him up lol

Lol funny an ork fits this category best... that's 40k for you

[queen laurel]

theres also kaptin Badrukk, he has a heavily customized ripper gun he got from an ogryn, instead of shooting normal ammunition it shoots unstable plasma rounds that can disintegrate a space marine and he literally has to wear a lead lined coat just to protect himself from it's radiation

And of course he's rich so he can afford a lot of good weapons

[crisp heath]

Dope!!!

[viral yacht]

so bolters in lore only ever have iron sights, yes?

[crisp heath]

Afaik

Sighting a bolter would be fairly useless

[viral yacht]

do those iron sights have the green glowy stuff tho?

[crisp heath]

Though there might be some random custom weird shit. But usually I'd say their bare. Also. Idk if they use phosphorescents

Doubtful imo though

[viral yacht]

why's that?

also i know bolters that are used by space marines don't really need sights cuz they have in built sights in their vision

[crisp heath]

Because it's not really ever shown in any of their media at all, and I've never heard mention of it. Also, green glowwy shit inherently sounds like something the imperium would frown on

[green loom]

No

[crisp heath]

This is all afaik though, so take with a grain of salt

[green loom]

Most primaris minis get bolters with scopes

Sternguard used to get scopes

[viral yacht]

do human sized bolters get sights?

[green loom]

Stalker bolters are basically bolter snipers

[green loom]

Probably

Not in most applications I wager

[queen laurel]

Bolter can have sights but if you're going to do that you may as well get a stalker bolter

basically a bolt sniper rifle

[viral yacht]

so it wouldn't be lore breaking to get sights on the standard bolter in darktide then?

[crisp heath]

Fair enough I guess. Most of these I'd not really messed with much. I will say though, primaris always get the fancy weird custom shit lol

[queen laurel]

yeah it's not, modifications like that is not heresy

[green loom]

In theory it is but we're inquisition so we get to not give a fuck regardless

[celest dome]

Wouldn't be lore breaking but the system for it didn't work so it didn't happen

[mystic fern]

Well. There’s mod for it

[celest dome]

Except that sights for example are a balancing decision

[storm jungle]

Any IP that gets popular is kinda doomed to be ravaged by business decisions like that. Star Wars in comparison is a massive titan of making money for Disney.

If GW had the chance they'd absolutely squeeze Warhammer to that state for as much money as possible and kinda slowly are at the moment

the issue is 40k is not that big

[green loom]

Star wars was also built around a core of movies

40k is and probably will always be mainly a miniatures thing

[storm jungle]

^

40k is also very much a product, people just dont really wanna accept that the lore or the setting doesn't matter to the company

Nah its all the same type of corporate-suit.

They are all clueless and want to see the chart go up.

99% of the time the people in charge of these things at the board are very stupid rich assholes lol

too many cooks in the kitchen

same reason I got so many gripes with Black Library lol

but in that area GW clamps down on creativity usually when they can so the authors dont go too wild unless you are Dan Abnett

[green loom]

Should be noted Filoni didn't write 99% of the good stuff in clone wars

[storm jungle]

Yeah compared to Amazon then GW they are TINY

also yeah most Amazon execs like most common people got no idea what GW or Warhammer is.

to them its just some side-gig they want to invest into

[wintry scarab]

How come fire warriors are now white instead of tan?

[green loom]

They also didn't buy the rights to GW or anything

They just agreed on a contract for them to produce certain types of media using GW copyright

[scenic bolt]

GW likes to change which subfaction is the posterchild for each faction every now and again

[queen laurel]

yeah GW is like a grot compared to amazon, the only reason why this warhammer Amazon show is happening is because they know adopting niche stuff can get the money

[toxic hedge]

after ring of power I have no faith in amazon production

[shadow plover]

ring of power was fine, they couldn't have done much better with the material they had access to

[tulip brook]

They're a publicly traded company. They can't stop getting bought out. 🤑

No idea how it works in UK but a major party can just get a huge chunk of shares and keep looming over on every major decision

It doesn't have to be an immediate buyout

[dusk patrol]

Different septs have different colors

[storm jungle]

Vior’la sept became the new posterboys

Before it was the main founding tan colored T’au sept

[hollow raptor]

when i fight, I see red

do you guys think i could defeat the emperor

i don't think he has faced anybody like me who sees red

[queen laurel]

Can you survive getting psychically annihilated with a thought?

[hollow raptor]

i see red when i fight

i can maul him

[storm jungle]

Mr Electric, kill him.

[tulip brook]

Come on bro why would you fight a cripple

[summer mural]

are the arbites the adeptus that are worst at their jobs

[celest dome]

That question isn't legible

It isn't understandable

[queen laurel]

my favorite cactus i have a question for you

[queen laurel]

how good is Queek in combat compared to the likes of Grimgor or Gotrek?

[celest dome]

My favourite Warlord

[summer mural]

gotrek would savage queek

so would grimgor tbh

[spring cairn]

I think Gotrek and Grimgor would walk all over Queek tbh

[hollow raptor]

does he see red when he fights?

[celest dome]

Worse, he is no chump don't make me say that, but those 2 are in their own categories

[queen laurel]

Yeah I expected that

[spring cairn]

Like this rat would get pulped

[summer mural]

didnt thorgrim straight up snap queeks neck from atop his glorious toilet throne

[hollow raptor]

yep

like the vermin he is

[summer mural]

after queek killed belegar I think

[celest dome]

Snap the neck yes, but on a battlefield iirc
And yes, after Queek had killed Belegar and was taunting Thorgrim about it

[summer mural]

wasnt his throne at his battlefield

its a movable throne

[celest dome]

But hw wasn't on it at that moment
iirc

[summer mural]

ah I see

[queen laurel]

Alright next question Taurox vs Nakai

[celest dome]

Why did you mean by that

[celest dome]

Difficult to say, I would say Taurox

[summer mural]

just that the whole arbites organization seems really incompetent based entirely on how you can just pretend the imperium doesnt have a police force and you wouldnt notice any differences

and that the arbites are sufficiently trained, armed, armored and have authority to get the job done

[queen laurel]

Yeah he does have a weak point but I'm pretty sure you can't really exploit that because he is just much of A ferocious fighter as nakai

[summer mural]

but they dont

taurox vs nakai is kind of a hard one tbh, all the lizardmen are hard

taurox vs gor rok?

literally unstoppable force meets immoveable object

[celest dome]

I mean, they aren't the only one present, like Enforcers, Arbites and other stuff are present

Gor Rok vs Taurox is a Gor Rok win, like 8 out of 10
Nakai it's more difficult to say cause he isn't that impressive tbh

[summer mural]

is teclis a better mage than morathi

[celest dome]

Yes

[summer mural]

hmm

[queen laurel]

teclis can erase entire armies with magic

[summer mural]

so can morathi id assume, I think teclis is better too btw

[celest dome]

Morathi is more of a shemer than a magic user, her son is better than her

[summer mural]

mazdamundi better than teclis though? casting wise

[queen laurel]

He can move mountains around if he wanted to

And he's a slann, and the lizard men taught the elves magic

[celest dome]

Yesn't
More powerful due to the Geomantic web, but otherwise I would say Teclis is still the strongest

[summer mural]

yeah, Id take teclis over everyone in the context of magic except mazdamundi and kroak( if you count him)

[queen laurel]

huh neat

[summer mural]

I think mazdamundi just has more raw magical power , because of slann juice and geomantic web, but teclis is probably a tad more skilled

[queen laurel]

in an open field without outside power sources I think teclis would win yeah

[summer mural]

well if they fought in an open field, mazdamundi would just run him over since he rides a stegadon

[queen laurel]

Teclis can probably put up a force field strong enough to withstand a charging ancient stegodon

[celest dome]

Yeah, i think without preparation it would be Maz that would win

[hollow raptor]

i can pierce the field

easy

[summer mural]

yeah but mazdamundi is the one riding it, he can probably weaken it enough

[queen laurel]

Yeah maz is just a busted frog

[summer mural]

he is

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-lizardmen-gif-12155346

giant annoying nuke toad

[queen laurel]

Wurrzag it's also pretty good at magic but probably not on their level

[summer mural]

nah

wurrzag is a happy chad, but he aint mazdamundi or teclis

well

afaik

[celest dome]

The top five casters are probably in order
Kroak
Maz
Teclis
Dark Elf dude
Egrimm

[queen laurel]

and what would be wurrzag's placement

[summer mural]

are you excluding daemons

because we got whatshisname

[celest dome]

No

[summer mural]

birdy boy

[queen laurel]

Kairos

[summer mural]

with past and future

yeah

kairos

[celest dome]

Kairos isn't that strong of a caster

[queen laurel]

The greatest servant of the God of magic is not that great of a caster?

[celest dome]

He just got stuff that make him stronger on the side

[celest dome]

He isn't a devoted caster, his stuff is that he is able to see the past and future.

[summer mural]

he can cast every spell in existence

thats top 5 worthy

[queen laurel]

well that is suprising

[celest dome]

Tzeentch can, not him

[summer mural]

8th edition chaos army book says he can afaik

[queen laurel]

I got curious about this Egrim fella and he is riding a 2 headed dragon

Yeah I would say that's top five

[summer mural]

egrimm is based

probably my fav tzeentch fantasy character

[celest dome]

Read back up on some Kairos lore, it's true that he would be a top caster

[summer mural]

he has to be, if kairos cant be super op with spells, then hes practically a weak scrub

hes never been a superior melee combatant relative to anyone greater daemon tier

[celest dome]

I think he is weakened by not being a Material, so his lore does have him be impressive, but we don't see him at his full strength

[summer mural]

also, I do believe we have collectively forgotten about nagash, if theres anyone whos gonna make it top 5 fantasy magic users, its the OG skellyman

[celest dome]

Well he is somewhat cheating, same for Kairos

[summer mural]

well yeah, nagash went undead so hard and for so long hes practically a god

kairos is a greater daemon

[summer mural]

probably in the gelt-kemmler range

[queen laurel]

the metal man and the old generic looking wizard fellow huh

[summer mural]

I dunno tbh

gelt is kind of an epic meme

a funny one

but hes the best imperial wizard

even though hes really atrocious compared to some of the better casters in the setting

kemmler is well, a generic necromancer who gets hard carried by an op chaos champion he managed to summon

azhag is the best caster the greenskins have

but hes just so happy its hard to tell how strong he really is

wurrzag*

https://tenor.com/view/savage-orcs-dance-warhammer-total-war-greenskins-orcs-dancing-orcs-gif-22350988

[queen laurel]

but azhag's magic comes from the nagash's crown right

[summer mural]

I meant wurrzag

and yes

azhag can use lore of death spells because he put on a crown, and hes already a pretty strong fighter in melee

and he rides a wyvern I think

[queen laurel]

Skullmuncha

[summer mural]

yeah

I forgot what happened to him in the uh

those times

I think he invaded kislev and died or something

[queen laurel]

classic end times

[summer mural]

the ogres got done the worst though

apart from some popular named characters I wont name

but the ogres literally all just died off screen

[queen laurel]

Greasus try to bear hug grimgor and Skrag

well

he got eaten

[summer mural]

and all killed by grimgors massive waagh , with which he also krumped cathay offscreen

[celest dome]

That would be a good guess

[celest dome]

Kemmler isn't a generic Necromancer, like he is adude who updated the whole Necromancy lore

[summer mural]

but I liked ogres mostly because ogres had a cool history, they were supposed to be the race the old ones finally perfected to fight chaos but left them unfinished because chaos happened, and then ogres were like gentle farmers and then they went and ate all the civilized giants, and took over their mountains and then they just ate everyone , fought everyone or became mercenaries who ate everyone and fought everyone

and there was a giant nuke that may or may not have been the result of skaven fuckery, which they now worship as a giant sarlacc pit that represents their devotion to being HANGRY

[queen laurel]

Pretty sure it was the celestial dragon that decided to throw that

[summer mural]

was it?

r u sure?

https://tenor.com/view/hmm-suspect-gif-22611582

https://tenor.com/view/skaven-cheiften-skaven-cheiften-guitar-rat-gif-24492026

[celest dome]

Yeah it was

[queen laurel]

Remember they were pretty close to Cathay and when they became starving they decided to attack the innocent villagers the celestial dragon of course seeing this

Decided to cast meteor storm on the poor *******

[summer mural]

well

the celestial dragon was a dumbass

he also wounded cathay forever by creating the great maw

however inadvertently

[hollow raptor]

the celestial dragon sees red

thats why he was able to wound cathay forever

[jagged hazel]

Is there a place where i can read up on lore surrounding the system atoma is in and darktide lore

I want to learn more about the story

[outer wave]

There's the blogs before launch if you wanna read up on the Moebian 6th and the happenings going on in current events

[storm jungle]

The best one you can get is the darktide wiki, all of the stuff in it is from the game gathered by a few players that edit it

https://warhammer-40k-darktide.fandom.com/wiki/Tertium

the lore of the game itself is pretty basic

The planetary capital is under attack and our job is to repel the attackers, the plot progresses with each update.

[queen laurel]

It can be boiled down to you did bad stuff now we're going to drag you to commit suicide missions so you can redeem yourself

[storm jungle]

[summer mural]

whats the cult of admonition?

[spring cairn]

the main force of the insurrection

called dregs in game

[summer mural]

so the dregs are just chaos cultists? and the scabs are moebian 6th?

[spring cairn]

p much

[queen laurel]

Yes

The main corruption jobs in summoning of the demons belong to the dregs

The scab do the military work and tactics

[rocky gale]

The Admonition were the original cult on the planet, they were initially thought to be a gang, they drove out the Water Cartels and took control of the Under city and the public loved them and thought they were great for getting rid of the criminals, so they were able to recruit a lot of people into the cult.

[spring cairn]

i mean dregs carry a lot of weight on their shoulder too

they are more numerous than the 6th

[rocky gale]

Then they started their uprising

[spring cairn]

basically any hiver could join the dregs

[summer mural]

so, we dunno whos in charge of the dregs?

[queen laurel]

Yeah and they do the corruption and magic

[summer mural]

I assume they have their own leadership apart from being ordered by wolfer

[spring cairn]

probably but we don't know

[queen laurel]

Rondin probably, he's the guy who manages the diseases and makes bio weapons

[rocky gale]

Wolfer and the Sixth are basically just "coincidental" allies to the Admonition.

[queen laurel]

He even said himself that he made you a special batch of gas

Rinda seems to be the one managing the scabs

[spring cairn]

rumor has it that the cult of admoniton is sponsored by one of the noble houses as some means of fucking with the current house in power

[queen laurel]

But that's just my take

[summer mural]

I just assumed the karnak twins were moebian 6th

[spring cairn]

they are

[summer mural]

as opposed to dregs

[rocky gale]

Like it's just very very convenient that when a Nurgle Cult rose up on Atoma, they just happened to send the Regiment that were also secretly corrupted by Nurgle to go and put down said Cult.

[summer mural]

well, they were probably collaborating

[rocky gale]

Yea but the Sixth didn't decide to go to Atoma themselves, they were sent there

[summer mural]

wolfer feels abandoned by the Imperium , probably felt that way during the Fringe Wars , its probably justified too

[celest dome]

The Admonition cult made the Moebian into a Nurgle regiment

[summer mural]

oh so they were just traitors, who then got tainted by nurgle when they went back to atoma?

[spring cairn]

they fell to chaos before arriving on atoma

[celest dome]

The Admonition cult were the one that "focused" their traitorise

[rocky gale]

The Wiki implies that the Sixth were corrupted to Nurgle by the Darktide before being sent to Atoma

[celest dome]

https://www.playdarktide.com/news/dev-blog-moebian-sixth

Ultimately, they are not just monsters looming out of the dark to kill you. They’re highly trained, highly-experienced veteran troopers, with full military gear. They have been seduced by the creed of the Darktide, and they have come home, not simply to kill and exact vengeance, but - more poignantly - to share the ‘truth’ they have uncovered. They truly believe they’ve seen the light, and that the dark ways they have discovered are far better and more liberating than the stagnant rubrics of the Imperium. They want to share that truth with you… with you, and every living soul on Atoma.

Only we know, we don't even know what the Darktide is

[rocky gale]

The Darktide is a collective name for all the Chaos and Xenos threats fought in the Fringe War

[summer mural]

its apparently a collective term used in the sector for all the cha- yeah

[rocky gale]

Like the Darktide aren't a single group, it's just a term used to refer to all the threats in the region

[celest dome]

Yes

[green loom]

@storm jungle

[summer mural]

including the soon to be cough tyranids cough cough

[spring cairn]

do we know where the moebian domain is situated within the galaxy

[green loom]

Up my backside(somewhere in Sanctus, probably on the western fringe?)

[spring cairn]

the darktide could be a splinter from the plague wars

[rocky gale]

Apparently it's somewhere in the north-western part of Segmentum Solar, near Obscurus, towards Cadia and Agripinaa.

[summer mural]

Luetin09 video after exclusive developer interview, referencing Segmentum Solar as Moebian Domain's location in the wider Imperium. - thats from the wiki

[coarse pumice]

should I take Dark Eldar weapon proficiency?

[summer mural]

wot

oh, rogue trader Im assuming

[coarse pumice]

yeah

i'm operative/assassin on my RT

[pale onyx]

im playing rogue trader dogmatic run im on urloc fight but all my guys die by round 2. what am i doing wrong

[queen laurel]

If you're planning to be a sniper aeldar is probably better

Especially if you got your hands on the eye of hecaton

But dark elder weapons are pretty good as well

[coarse pumice]

I heard the best sniper is an Exitus rifle later?

[spring cairn]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-darktide-stop-wait-cease-gif-2247250952699468598

[coarse pumice]

though I guess that could be so late game

[spring cairn]

stop using xeno tech

[summer mural]

yeah use an exitus rifle

the imperium tech literally only given to vindicare assassins

[queen laurel]

Very late game yes you can get one

[queen laurel]

Your a rogue trader a rifle like that could be easily yours

[summer mural]

I mean, sure, but I was referring to how the Imperium should probably hand them out to some guardsmen here and there

[spring cairn]

probably incredibly hard to make or some bs

the usual

[summer mural]

indeed

just mechanicum laziness

[coarse pumice]

I keep getting analysis paralysis whenever I level up, which is probably 50% of my game time

[queen laurel]

And watch it fall into disrepair?

These things are hard to make and remember the machine spirits in those things are quite violent

[coarse pumice]

I got to one of those 'common talents'

[queen laurel]

That's why special care on those guns is needed

[coarse pumice]

and I don't know what to take

[queen laurel]

Swiping down all the way down is your best bit for looking at all the good traits

[coarse pumice]

the stat training?

[summer mural]

I mean its not even about special care, 1 exitus rifle and 1 exitus pistol are a matched set that are purpose built and tailored to each vindicare assassin

because the imperium loves them assassins, since the nobles get to use them to snipe anyone they dont like

[coarse pumice]

maybe I'll just take a stat instead for now

[storm jungle]

Never change Rick lmao

[gray umbra]

Running upgraded shuriken pistol and neuro flayer pistols on my rt

Shuriken burst is nasty

[warm notch]

Do you think that corpsewax candles smell awful? At the same time, the Zealot wouldn’t adorn their armor with them if it did smell awful . . . right?

[queen laurel]

Probably smells like this candle

[summer mural]

" The scent of pestilence"

[rocky gale]

The Scent of Pestilence™️
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YOv6OPJOMPw?feature=share

[queen laurel]

yeah it is lore accurate

[warm notch]

Lol

Still though, I fail to see any reason why they would use corpsewax candles if it smelled awful

Then again, I doubt corpsestarch smells awful if it’s been processed like 20 billion times before consumption

[summer mural]

you think all the monogod champions- kharn, typhus, ahriman, lucius have all "met" their respective chaos gods in their realms

[warm notch]

So ig it doesn’t emit any smell

[gray umbra]

ahriman: "i will restore my legion"

Tzeentch: "lol ok"

[summer mural]

didnt typhus like

dip his scythe in some shit that was lying in proximity to literally nurgle

[gray umbra]

apparently dipped into the poop seeping from nurgle's throne

idk if he met him tho

[summer mural]

well he didnt say hi and hello , because apparently its kinda scary and even typhus himself could just decay by standing there

dont remember exactly though

[arctic talon]

Typhus is known to have gone to the garden

The rest of them it’s less clear

But kharn has come back to life before

[summer mural]

yeah, the worst moment in all of his glorious career

and he also ruined the best moment in sigismunds career

[arctic talon]

Ahriman hates tzeentch

And Lucius hasn’t

[tulip brook]

bile has

talos met all of them

he's not even properly corrupted

it's safe to say died and resurrected guys definitely spent some time in their god's back alley

it only leaves ahriman

[crisp heath]

I have a random thought that just popped into my head regarding tzeentch. He's the god of change right? Well, we know the cells in our body get replaced, on average, every 7-10 years. Hundreds of millions of skin cells are replaced every day. Your bones take about 15 years to regenerate. It would be interesting having that taken into account, and possibly shown as a vector of tzeentch's power. We, life, simply by existing are ever changing. Our body's themselves cycling out the old for the new. It would possibly explain why he was so powerful in the beginning, and why, even after destroying his staff, he's still imo the most dangerous chaos god.

[thorn zenith]

Every chaos gods have an aspect of nature in them iirc, Tzeentch have that, and Nurgle is life

[burnt maple]

Rebirth*

[thorn zenith]

No idea what Khorne and Slaanesh ahve tho because its 6 am and i have not slept

[crisp heath]

I know. Just was a random thought that popped into my head

[thorn zenith]

Wait fuck its 7 am

[crisp heath]

Slaanish is pretty obvious imo lolol

Reproduction

[outer wave]

Survival formerly and emotion latterly

[thorn zenith]

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[burnt maple]

It is not reproduction.

[thorn zenith]

Seggs

[crisp heath]

And everything in life must struggle to survive, Khorne

[crisp heath]

Lol then what is it?

[burnt maple]

Hardly anything from nature, as in natural phenomenon - unless we consider joy as such.

[crisp heath]

I mean... animals experience emotions too

[outer wave]

I find that Khorne and Slaanesh are more representative of emotional states

[crisp heath]

And can get high

And squirrels horde

[outer wave]

While Nurgle and Tzeentch can represent nature and reality

[queen laurel]

Khorne is literally the most straight forward, he wants people to give in to the urge of just killing everything and slaughter everything and turn every world into a bloody river

He is anger and war

Nothing more nothing else

[outer wave]

Yuh, an emotional state

[burnt maple]

Indeed.

[thorn zenith]

This your brain when you start worshipping Slaanesh

https://youtu.be/qzPKgTuRwbs?si=iO4JBgmT3_jiViJa

[burnt maple]

Khorne is honesty and honor. Was, wants to be.

[queen laurel]

His form of honor is basically twisted all out melee combat is his form of honor

[outer wave]

Its definitely a twisted kinda honor yeh but still most honorable of all chaos gods

[burnt maple]

So is rebirth of Nurgle and fulfillment od Slaanesh.

[crisp heath]

Lol I know what their over arching things are guys... I'm pretty sure we all do. That doesn't necessarily mean these minor facets of life can't be also things that influence them. I also like the thought/theory that they weren't always this fucked up, and that at least at some point way back in prehistory they were somewhat less evil. I feel like these natural processes would be a cool way to add a bit of depth and realism in, in a way that's fun and not overly obtuse.

[outer wave]

I personally believe into that theory

[thorn zenith]

To be fair, chaos gods are all twisted because of all the things that happened in both eldar empire and human civilization

Aint no good thing left anywhere

[outer wave]

Fantasy I believe has chaos somewhat leaning into their better sides

Not by much but slightly so

[thorn zenith]

And in the grim derpness of the far future, there is only war

[green loom]

Oh boy we're on this again huh

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

You people should stop listening to Magnus

Or alternatively stop reading fandom

[queen laurel]

I use my popcorn stealing device to take your popcorn

[celest dome]

Khorne is as much about honour as Nurgle is about life

[storm jungle]

Magnus' speech in TTS has ruined so much shit ngl

[celest dome]

They are, but in a tainted way

[green loom]

Khorne is as much about honour as aslaanesh is about humble weddings

Translation

Not at all

[green loom]

Magnus shouldn't have even opened his mouth considering both fucked with the gods
But where Big E gambled and overstepped Magnus was just an overconfident moron who thought he'd be the exception

[storm jungle]

Codex: Chaos Daemons 9th edition, the most fresh source of lore avaliable regarding Chaos Gods

[queen laurel]

If khorne truly had honor he would spare innocent people

But they still decapitate children and turn their heads into cups