40k-lore-chat

[crystal forum]

listen... i dislike the mech hype too.

BUT these are battle suits so they don't count

[radiant lance]

I honestly don't understand why it's established it'll only take like 50 space Marines to take over the world. The fuck are they going to do against a nuclear submarine or aircraft carrier fleet?

[shrewd depot]

I do a bit of character design, I 'study' this sort of thing in a way

I don't think a nuke, short of hitting them directly, would actually kill them tho

Like the radiation wouldn't get passed the armour

[crystal forum]

it's a dreadnought with less firepower and it dies easily but hey you can deploy it super far where it dies fast

[radiant lance]

I'm fairly explosives can damage them

[crystal forum]

what world?

[shrewd depot]

Yeh so if you hit them WITH the nuke, they'd probably be vaporised

But like, you hit a city they're in?

Probably not killing any of them

[radiant lance]

Modern day earth

[viral halo]

Warsuit and dreadknight look ridiculous

[crystal forum]

who said that

[gray umbra]

alpha legion xd

[storm jungle]

We got so much shit to kill space marines with

idk why people assume astartes are invincible

lmao

[gray umbra]

40k also has a lot of say but not do

[shrewd depot]

Astartes could easily solo a medieval world

[storm jungle]

Marines even in 40k die to the dumbest shit

[gray umbra]

like whatshisface's tactical genius

[crystal forum]

bro 50 space marines against cruise missiles i wonder who wins

[storm jungle]

So could a guy with a machine gun.

[shrewd depot]

Eeeeh

[storm jungle]

this is like Coughing Baby VS Atomic Bomb

[gray umbra]

marneus calgar where he thinks before he reacts to a ludicrous degree

[shrewd depot]

Try taking a castle with just an assault rifle

[gray umbra]

when in practicality is him ponderin the ballistics of a bullet before it hits his forehead

[shrewd depot]

You'd be turned into a pin cushion

[storm jungle]

a marine would have about as much trouble

[crystal forum]

how much ammo

[storm jungle]

they have died from getting speared before

also dying to catapults

also rocks falling on them

[shrewd depot]

I mean, no? The wooden draw bridge wouldn't even slow them down

[storm jungle]

it would

they would just fall through it

and to their death

[shrewd depot]

Man would just sprint, leap over the moat, and smash through the door

[storm jungle]

[shrewd depot]

Space Marines are fucking tanks in the shape of people

[crystal forum]

do you know how strong wood can be

[storm jungle]

you also genuinely underestimate what a group of humans can do

[shrewd depot]

Imagine a tank going through a wooden door

[storm jungle]

yeah but its not a tank

its a guy in armor with weak spots

[shrewd depot]

No, its a person that weighs as much as one but is far more agile

[storm jungle]

MARINES IN LORE HAVE DIED FROM LITERAL PRIMITVE HUMANS BEFORE

💀

god let me get that one artwork

[crystal forum]

a space marine doesn't weight as much as a tank i think

[cursive anvil]

The lore is super inconsistent with armour and stuff but they def don't weigh as much as a tank.

[shrewd depot]

According to google, 1,100 - 2,200lb

But then you realise some Space Marines are literally double the size of standard ones

[tulip brook]

a small car?

[cursive anvil]

Iirc, marines weigh at most a little over a (metric) ton. An abrams tank weighs close to 80 tons.

[storm jungle]

titled "Death of an Astartes"

[shrewd depot]

Thats a pathetic fucking Astartes

[storm jungle]

your power armor doesnt do much when a literal swarm of people are stabbing your joints/face

[crystal forum]

the entire superhuman physique is already funny. i'm sure more 40k nerds have imagine a space marine smashing through normal sized doors

[spark zenith]

They look like hive gangers

[storm jungle]

Its pretty normal.

Marines are not immortal or infallible.

they died to dumber stuff

[shrewd depot]

Mate, I get that Astartes aren't indestructable

[spark zenith]

Well I hope he’s ok

:)

[shrewd depot]

But its a simple matter of 'shitty iron weapons Vs armour made 40k years in the future specifically for war'

[storm jungle]

yeah but your insistence that people will just die in droves trying to kill one is also severely underestimating what a group of humans can do

[crystal forum]

only named characters are indestructable

[shrewd depot]

It doesn't matter how many medieval peasants poke the joints with their pitchforks, its not going through

[green loom]

Power armour still has gaps

[storm jungle]

which is just literal synthetic leather

[shrewd depot]

Its not leather

Its like ultra kevlar

[storm jungle]

[spark zenith]

There’s are really cool art piece of a chaos space marine getting swarmed by loyalist guardsman, that was cool as shit

[cursive anvil]

Ehhh, power armour has a material implied to be some form of advanced kevlar but the toughness is never specified.

[shrewd depot]

Isn't it the sme material that fuuuucking

Uuuuh

What are they called

[storm jungle]

its made-up sci-fi mcguffin

[cursive anvil]

Yep

[shrewd depot]

The skull headed assassin guys

[potent karma]

Is it true that Sly Marbo stopped one of Abaddon's crusades with a knife?

[shrewd depot]

Their body suits

[storm jungle]

yeet

[crystal forum]

plasteel

[shrewd depot]

Thats Star Wars

[crystal forum]

also 40k

[green loom]

Here I have an example of

Not a marine

But a custard fighting 30 rabble

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/zgsjmk/excerpt_rulebook_a_custodian_singlehandedly_takes/

[storm jungle]

Plasteel is in 40k lol

[green loom]

And he gets wounded

Mildly

[storm jungle]

Yeah was gonna link that

[green loom]

but it shows that even they can't get lousy

[storm jungle]

Also like

you know

when you got 30 fucking people on you its kinda hard

[green loom]

Numbers are a real threat

[storm jungle]

^

[shrewd depot]

Iunno

Writers forget that if the Space Marine IS in a pinch, the man could just fucking bolt away at 60mph

And continue sprinting for several fuckign days

[storm jungle]

Now we are going from

"he could take them"

to just "oh he'll run away"

[green loom]

Inertia has to come from somewhere

[crystal forum]

running away from battle isn't something space marines usually do

[shrewd depot]

Neither is die to farming implements

[storm jungle]

its called a Tactical Retreat™️

we got art evidence

[green loom]

You won't just hit max speed immedaitely when 3 people are blocking your leg joints with their bodies

[storm jungle]

and novel evidence

[shrewd depot]

Like at LEAST with the cultists

[storm jungle]

so thats an open and shut case

[shrewd depot]

You can argue there's some chaos shit going on

[storm jungle]

there isnt tho

[crystal forum]

and we do have many examples of space marines outpacing human guardsmen in long treks

[storm jungle]

its just normal people

[green loom]

What's his face
Kharn's bf
He gets killed by a wooden spear right?

[storm jungle]

yes

LMAO

[shrewd depot]

Fucking wot

[storm jungle]

fucking hilarious

[green loom]

Argel Tal! Thas his ma,e

[shrewd depot]

The writers of 40k really make it difficult to take it seriously

Like

[storm jungle]

Yeah no shit

[cursive anvil]

Tbf what things can withstand is super inconsistent in lore, at times custodes take shots that don't do anything to their armour and then some space marine punches through one's armour.

[storm jungle]

40k is not a serious setting

[crystal forum]

you're not supposed to take it seriously

[green loom]

You take it seriously?

[shrewd depot]

I like to

[radiant lance]

Honestly, whenever a space marine gets their shit kicked in, I smile grossly

[cursive anvil]

It's all about the cool factor though.

[spark zenith]

I take it unfathomably seriously, I base my moral values solely on 40k

[storm jungle]

Custodes for the most part die to pretty sensible stuff. People just extremely overplay it because they don't want their mary sue faction getting their asses kicked.

[shrewd depot]

Its not cool seeing a fucking Space Marine get killed by a mook with a wooden spear tho

[storm jungle]

it is

[shrewd depot]

Like, tenancy of the human spirit aside

[crystal forum]

40k is from the 80's. that's the best explanation i can give

[storm jungle]

war is war

people die from random shit

[green loom]

When you look at a fight you're gawking at how cool the sequence is
You're not going "Hmm, he moved his arm in a manner prohibited by his power armour, this should not have been possible"

[storm jungle]

^

Marines are not demigods

[shrewd depot]

Except then you get fucking Astartes

And it proves that yes, realism applied to the unrealistic DOES make cool shit still

[storm jungle]

I mean even there they are clunky

also its not really realistic

[shrewd depot]

Bro

[spark zenith]

They looked clunky yet nimble at the same time, very cool

[storm jungle]

for example that marine getting peppered by a lascannon does nothing

[green loom]

You're aware that astartes mildly redesigns and still bends their armour?

[crystal forum]

does realism necessarily improve settings

[shrewd depot]

In lore Space Marines gallop like fucking Gazelles, they 'leap' with every stride

[radiant lance]

In astartes? Yeah he should have been swiss cheese

[storm jungle]

Any 40k artist knows this pain.

their pauldron and general armor design is very bad when you imagine them moving around in it lmao

[cursive anvil]

Not saying that they die to completely unreasonable things but the marine punching through the armour is like one of the fringe examples where things don't quite seem to make sense.

[shrewd depot]

In Astartes, these motherfuckers LOOK like they weigh several tons whilst running

https://tenor.com/view/40k-warhammer-warhammer40k-astartes-astartes-running-gif-17108806

[green loom]

No theu don't

[storm jungle]

Yeah but like

[crystal forum]

the internet as a whole is fixated on this idea that realism is the only correct way to do anything

[storm jungle]

this is just a normal sprint

they arent Agents from the Matrix

[green loom]

Have you seen someone running in just modern field gear lol

[shrewd depot]

Yeah they look fucking ridiculous

[spark zenith]

The Jimmy Space designed astartes armour with one purpose and one purpose only

That it look cool as shit

[radiant lance]

Because not using realism gets dumb and I can just make up shit continuously to always be right

[storm jungle]

the Space Marine game probably showcases Marine movement the best, literally just a running fridge.

marines making like super-fast matrix dodge shit is dumb

[shrewd depot]

I felt that went a little toooo heavy tho

[storm jungle]

I mean its a literal man in power-armor

[shrewd depot]

Like the marines had very little agility at all

[storm jungle]

they arent suppose to be nimble

[green loom]

They literally weigh tons

[gray umbra]

idk maybe im a boomer but i appreciate 40k for the dumb shit

[shrewd depot]

Yeah but their arms don't

[green loom]

You can't say "dude they look so heavy" and then complain they aren't fast enough

[shrewd depot]

Its a balance

[spark zenith]

The dumb shit is the best but

[green loom]

These two things are contradictory

[crystal forum]

you can still set rules in your fictional setting. do you prefer realism because you can understand the physical rules of real life?

[spark zenith]

I love the dumb shit

[gray umbra]

taking lore too seriously is why i dont like wow lore nerds

[shrewd depot]

There's NUANCE to this shit

[cursive anvil]

You 🫵 get it

[shrewd depot]

But apparently 40k has no nuance and everything is entirely black and white

Or just black

Apparently

[green loom]

Now you're getting it lol

[crystal forum]

there's nuance depending on the book you're reading

[shrewd depot]

No I'm losing interest in this conversation

And I wanna go smoke

[crystal forum]

if you take these huge plot points and look at them like this it'll just look stupid i admit

[storm jungle]

40k is literally just Marvel/DC but with plastic miniatures

[green loom]

There's nuance to individual stories
Arguing meta shit like the chaos gods have any sort of depth save flavour text is wrong

[spark zenith]

“Yeah let’s make a huge fucking space ship that’s just a floating cathedral, how big is it? Idk like 20 kilometres big and has like 100,000 crew members, how does it FTL? Uhhh fukin, it travels through literal hell to get to its destination”

[green loom]

So fucking deep bro

Halo? Normie trash! 40k is the real deal!

[radiant lance]

Lasguns literally have 100 times the energy of .50 BMG round

[spark zenith]

People trying to take 40k lore seriously have never read the books

[radiant lance]

Fun fact

[green loom]

Sounds like something an old friend calculated

Where they compared a Lasgun to the cannon of an Abrams

Or it might've been the effect of a lasgun on an Abrams

I forgor

[spark zenith]

A mild scorch mark probably

[shrewd depot]

I always liked the 'shoot a Las at a single point enough times and it'll melt through' thing

[crystal forum]

i just think a lot of people could benefit from learning that realism is a genre and a stylistic choice. there's no "superior" style and i'll die on that hill

[green loom]

40k doesn't even have a set genre, it's just a costume you put on stories for some nice flavour

You like Sharpe? Here's a guard story
You like Gawain? Here's a marine story
You like crime thrillers? Here's crimehammer

[crystal forum]

is crimehammer good

[cursive anvil]

Crimehammer is gold.

[crystal forum]

is it like stories about arbites doing stuff

[cursive anvil]

Some of them.

[spark zenith]

You like comedy? Cain

[shrewd depot]

Short stories inside of bigger novels innit

Cain is nuanced and I'll die on that one

[radiant lance]

Horror novels are the best

[crystal forum]

is there 40k horror??

[cursive anvil]

Ofc there is

[shrewd depot]

40k is mostly horror?

[crystal forum]

yeah that's what i thought

[shrewd depot]

Body horror, cosmic..

[cursive anvil]

There's 40k books of almost every genre.

[crystal forum]

romance?

[shrewd depot]

Sometimes

[green loom]

There's Our Martyred Lady

[crystal forum]

an entire book though

[cursive anvil]

Awyep, you get some romance here & there

[green loom]

I'm kidding(mostly(not really(celefax 4 LYFE)))

[cursive anvil]

The infinite and the divine is secretly a gay romance story, no one can or will prove me wrong.

[gray umbra]

when will black library release my erotic short novels

[storm jungle]

Ian Watson's novels are pretty erotic

[shrewd depot]

I'm constantly amazed at how little sex Slaanesh is actually involved in

[crystal forum]

there's no way that there's not a single gay couple astartes

[green loom]

Why

Sex is vanilla

That's the exact opposite of that god lol

[crystal forum]

my theory is it's just bad for branding

you can see references to grape without the G in early 40k but never in modern stuff

[green loom]

It's also just, not really sex focused but you know

[shrewd depot]

Oh lol I got bot pinged for writing

But nah, it's always torture with slaanesh

[green loom]

No

[spark zenith]

I mean, I think the intense psycho-indoctrination melts those kind of feelings away

I may be wrong

[crystal forum]

it's the 80's trope of masokism being evil and stuff

i cant even say that word

[green loom]

It's evolved beyond that to a lot of sins

[shrewd depot]

I mean straight relationships should be blocked under the 'so pumped up on testosterone their genitals have shiveled into nothing' thing

[green loom]

And more than tbh

[shrewd depot]

But gay ones?

[green loom]

Marines have it beaten out of them, feelings are for the weak and all that

[crystal forum]

astartes still feel feelings of brotherhood and friendships

[green loom]

They're very platonic doe

[crystal forum]

like love doesn't necessarily have to be physical

[shrewd depot]

At least 1 Primarch has an actual relationship with an Eldar

But they aren't SM so

[green loom]

I'm going to have to keep a checklist of every decade old reddit meme you reference

[shrewd depot]

Bro

This is just me

I am real

I'm not quoting anything

At least not knowing

[green loom]

I sincerely doubt it considering I've heard this script more times than I care to remember

[crystal forum]

do lasguns have recoil? 🤔

[green loom]

Schrodinger's recoil

[crystal forum]

chekov's lasgun

[shrewd depot]

Like ok, I might just retell the arguments I've heard in the past that I agree with, because I can't come up with my own opinions lmao, but I'm genuinely not quoting anything directly

Lasguns are weird

They are meant to be straight lasers right? Energy?

[crystal forum]

they're lasguns

they shoot las

[shrewd depot]

In DoW they seem to have very little to zero

[green loom]

Do you know how many times guilliman and yvraine have interacted

[shrewd depot]

Nope

[green loom]

Twice

[shrewd depot]

Oh so its a meme

[crystal forum]

horny nerds

they'll ship anything

[green loom]

And like, people forget Guilliman is still a xenophobic genocidal monster

The Eldar are just useful enough for him to work with them

He doesn't even work with the Ynnari, he works with Eldrad's cronies

The Ynnari are off getting themselves killed somewhere

[velvet imp]

people forget a lot of times he still follow Imperium beliefs, well the old 30K ones atleast

That aside, the Daemonhost is more creepy when you can finally hear their voice lines.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zn8aGeP2XI

you can hear a bit of the psyker still there but the mind is now mixed with the Daemon possessing him or her

[versed ledge]

Wait, who's leading the imperium? Is it Roboute Gman?

[summer mural]

its gman yes

[teal yarrow]

bobby g

[summer mural]

and he appointed dante to lead the other half

[teal yarrow]

da

[summer mural]

since the rift divided the imperium

[teal yarrow]

but most likely dante will turn it over to the Lion

[summer mural]

most likely yeah

unless the Lion just goes off on a crusade

[teal yarrow]

if i remeber right the Lion doesn't want to take charge, he just wants to protect the humans

and redeem his fallen sons

someone correct me if I am wrong

[versed ledge]

Gman is actually getting the imperium's double eagle head out its own ass for once

[teal yarrow]

well it is Girly Man. Dude was made for administration

Don't forget he had like 500 worlds before the Big E found him.

[versed ledge]

500 headaches now multiplied to countless trillions

[teal yarrow]

don't know why i found that so funny

[patent ivy]

lol

[rose thorn]

Rewrote my entire chapter in like 4 minutes and like them a lot more than before

[summer mural]

what do they get upto?

[sleek tusk]

does the imperium have its own version of the RPG-7? Like a cheap + simple but effective anti-vehicle weapon

[summer mural]

they have shoulder held missile launchers

plenty of em

[dusk patrol]

Treadfethers

[pale onyx]

For da emperah

[versed ledge]

Can we run away?

Maybe join Tau

[summer mural]

can who

the rejects?

[celest dome]

For the Rejects ?
Would be very difficult cause Tau shpere aren't close by, and we don't really have the means to travel

[summer mural]

I mean, Im surprised they havent joined the traitors already, the rejects really believe in the imperium

especially the psyker

[versed ledge]

I know I would, the sixth makes a pretty compelling case on why to join

[summer mural]

on the bright side, all of them are definitely dying of some disease or the other if they live through tertium, the rejects that is

theres no way you fight that many nurgle tainted heretics and just never get sick

[spark zenith]

Makes you wonder what happens when tertium does get cleansed of chaos

Will grendyl just kill all the rejects?

Or will he keep them for the next mission on the next planet

[summer mural]

keep them probably

and toss them into another meatgrinder

[pale onyx]

hey guys any wya to earn dogmatic rep fast in rogue trader? I got to a part where i need to be fanatic which im 5 dogmatic reps off for. But I can't find anything to give me that

[queen laurel]

the rejects have become acolytes so probably keep them around

after all they are pretty skilled

[summer mural]

and plagueridden

[green loom]

You have to toybox it sadly

Values for earning it are fucked, Owlcat is still adjusting them

Just go to the workshop, there should be a guide

[spark zenith]

Yeah that’s a good point, the rejects would be low-key corrupted by some sort of pox, being around all that nurgle shit

[summer mural]

they should be eventually

[pale onyx]

by the emperor, I want the silly little achievments tho

[summer mural]

cant be fighting that much nurgle juice in melee and just come out with no sickness, plus we are using gear and weapons literally looted from corpses on tertium

[queen laurel]

yeah getting up your level through numbers in RT is Quite fucked

[pale onyx]

so I am going full dogmatic this run, and I chose this option since it said do it for the god emperah. A-are we the baddies?

[queen laurel]

do you want to hear the truth or the lie?

[pale onyx]

the god emperahs truth

[queen laurel]

yes we are bad guys

[pale onyx]

that can't be true. The chaos gods surely are, and I am giving these citizens the emperors mercy

[queen laurel]

i suppose ending their suffering is something

[pale onyx]

isn't it confirmed in the lore hen you die your soul gets eaten by demons? or has the emperah created a safe heaven for believers

[queen laurel]

Yes that is true but your God that you're serving would be the one that has the authority to your soul most of the time

so you don't have to worry

[pale onyx]

this is what the god emperor would want right

[queen laurel]

i guess

Certainly works for the imperium

[thorn zenith]

The game does give you the option to be completely egotistical for sure

[gray umbra]

Abelard, introduce me.

[thorn zenith]

I do wish there was more ham scenario like in the boss fight of the 1st chapter, it felt grand af

[primal gate]

I assume this is self aggrandizing propaganda. There are several instances when more reliable narrator’s disagree with this idea.

Basically 40 K be very grim dark ain’t no God there to save you

[storm jungle]

the Emperor basically only saves people on rare occassions ala Celestine

and thats usually to just use them as demi-god tools

[tulip brook]

I read that as your god has dibs on chomping your soul

[shadow plover]

"hmh you're useful. I'll have you around for a tad bit longer I suppose"

[tulip brook]

I don't think he meant any kind of saving

[thorn zenith]

Basically not even the emperor cares about you, youre better off joining the tau or worshipping slaanesh

[tulip brook]

Die to abaddon. He may hunt the demon that eats your soul if he enjoys the fight

At least you have your revenge

Just be careful with glowing blue sword

[primal gate]

It’s it’s fairly frequently mentioned that the best accounts of gods in Warhammer 40 K is that they are manifestations of psychic turmoil, not deity as we know it

The common person soul is just being consumed by the warp. It takes a ritual to bind yourself to some of these entities. Indeed, it takes a very powerful psychic presence to even maintain your spirit in the warp beyond being shattered, and returning to the collective so to speak.

[celest dome]

The Emperor protect*

• Condition and warranties may apply

[spring cairn]

Nice of him to lend some of that powah to the dt zealot tho

[tulip brook]

So you need extra work if you wanna know whose stomach you'll end up. I see

[primal gate]

The skeptic would say that falls under collective psychic phenomena

[primal gate]

Or perhaps more likely you are probably not even powerful enough to remain hole to be eaten in Warhammer oblivion is your best hope

[spring cairn]

Isn't everything a collective psychic phenomena

if you really think about it

[primal gate]

Maybe instead of psychic, you mean psychosomatic

[celest dome]

Well we don't really know how faith power actually work

[tulip brook]

Unless it is physical phenomena

[spring cairn]

Well the emperor isn't his own thing anymore with the imperial cult and all

[primal gate]

That’s what’s funny everything in this universe is mythos, but we do have Necrons talking about the old ones so if you wanna believe those first hand accounts, then the old ones made a science of the warp

[tulip brook]

Tsons tried exactly that but they suck

Either way, we know exactly what happens when you die. They remove you from codex and add your model to legends and print to order list.

[thorn zenith]

Even the taus managed to conjure up their own warp deity

[primal gate]

The thousand sons is a Sisyphean tragedy. Trying to alter all of time and space from within space time; probably a doomed endeavor. Some of the mythos indicates the old ones may have just left the universe when they got bored with all of this, making them extra dimensional beings, it could be that they created the universe, or were created by those the did

[primal gate]

With the idea of “soul” shards, the emperor hasn’t been himself for a very long time

[rose thorn]

he prettyyy

[dusk patrol]

Strange reports of large amounts of lots of single moms with abnormally large kids on worlds the Ghosts were stationed on after they left

Still not sure why, sources are trying to figure it out

[tough haven]

I was thinking about creating/writing a dnd character that’s more or less just an ogryn from darktide but not so blatantly stolen, probably a mix of bodyguard and brawler, any ideas/tips on how I could do that?

[green loom]

Just make an ogre

[outer wave]

Just an ogre

I think there's some official supplements for Ogre in 5E?

[crisp heath]

@storm jungle can we please get rid of this?

Like that's clearly bating on the pretense of gender and its getting tiring...

[outer wave]

Has he been doing this this whole time?

[crisp heath]

He's done it multiple times

And he's not the only one

And I'd like it to stop

[outer wave]

Didnt you know? We're ALL fake he/hims here

[crisp heath]

@storm jungle I'm serious I'm going to blow a fucking gasket

[outer wave]

Every single one of us

[celest dome]

Yeah, I think it's way past the polite point

[outer wave]

Yeh its annoying

[queen laurel]

ok that's it

[crisp heath]

No, and you and have no idea if he's fake or not. I'm mad you continue to fucking heckle people over gender

[queen laurel]

<@&735928989146939404> a little help here

[crisp heath]

Yes, now. This shits fucking enough

[celest dome]

And what if it a fake, huh, what does that bring you

[outer wave]

^

[rocky gale]

Yea this is like the fifth time I've seen donsly doing this

[crisp heath]

<@&735928989146939404> where the fuck are yall

[queen laurel]

Where's your proof it's fake?

[outer wave]

Stop spamming, they'll get here

See

[celest dome]

It's done

[thorn zenith]

Bruh why does being fake or real pronouns matter

[queen laurel]

people are fucking idiots

[cerulean wagon]

we literally are, dudes being dealt with

[celest dome]

Wait wat ?

[crisp heath]

Thank you

[outer wave]

Thank you Skelly

And fellow mods

[cerulean wagon]

don't try and stir shit when its already resolved plz

[celest dome]

Someone pinged me and I didn't have time to read it

[thorn zenith]

Like, why are people even arguing about this

[crisp heath]

Wasn't trying to, hadn't realized yet. I apologize and appreciate yall

@thorn zenith it's becoming a problem where people are doing it over and over and I was tired of seeing it

[queen laurel]

have a little more faith will you?

I am genuine here please cool off a lot more
sometimes you have way too much of anger issue

And yes I understand where you are mad guardsmen but please understand that the mods are doing their best here it's just that people are fucks

[rocky gale]

Yea the donsly guy was bringing it up constantly with people, trying to provoke a reaction probably

[thorn zenith]

I meant that i cant even comprehend why someone would start shit with this topic

[queen laurel]

He shows up in the forum I will leak his ******* address

[crisp heath]

I know... I'm sorry.

@thorn zenith and agreed

[outer wave]

Christ.

[queen laurel]

All is forgiven but please next time try to think more rationally of the situation

the mods have to deal with this constantly

[queen laurel]

Don't worry I'm joking

[thorn zenith]

It makes as much sense as making fun of someone for liking veggies, which is zero sense

[outer wave]

Okay fair enough lmao

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/creepy-vsauce-smile-gif-2980605684719370270

@queen laurel probably 🤣

[queen laurel]

Oh trust me I am because I wouldn't do that I would find where he lives and file a fake death certificate with his name on it

[crisp heath]

🤣 🤣

[queen laurel]

( Jk )

[crisp heath]

All jokes lol

You can tell its election season lol...

All the crazies are out...

[thorn zenith]

Thatbdoes make sense, but this didnt seem like crazy lmao

[crisp heath]

Lol just jokes lol

[thorn zenith]

It just sounded like some third grade stuff

[crisp heath]

Sadly that's very true lol

[thorn zenith]

But maybe im just getting into the "too old for this shit" era lmao

[queen laurel]

Stupidity of people these days ages me five years every time I see them

but let's just not bring politics into this one shall we?

the wardens are already dealing with shit

[crisp heath]

🤣 yea we probably shouldn't. At least not unless they're the Imperiums lolol

So, how do we think the imperium splits? Republican or democrat???

🤣 (jkjk)

[thorn zenith]

That said, has anyone gone through Ulfar and Marazhai storyline in rogue trader?

[green loom]

just the starts

[thorn zenith]

Game bugged out and i couldnt recruit Ulfar, and Marazhai gets carted off to the inquisition as soon as I escaped

[crisp heath]

I've not gotten that far yet

[green loom]

Ulfar is funish, I haven't gone past grabbing him since I killed him in my curent playthruogh

[thorn zenith]

I might set up toybox because im curious about having max rep with all the factions, and making choices so that most of my retinue do not end up dead in the epilogue

[versed ledge]

Are the guys who made rogue trader, the same guys who made Pathfinder wotr?

[rocky gale]

Yea, Owlcat

[versed ledge]

Explains why it's buggy

[crisp heath]

Yea...

[queen laurel]

Surprisingly it's quite more stable then there are other releases when it released

[crisp heath]

After this. I don't think I'll buy another of their games

[queen laurel]

They are fixing the game

At least

and hey they said it themselves they are not expecting this to be as successful as Baldur's Gate 3

[crisp heath]

It shouldn't have to be fixed this much. I'm sorry. I understand pc did not have the same issue as the Xbox release. But my game was unplayable due to the amount of crashes it had. It simply could not function, and only recently did they slightly fix that

At least when it comes to saves.

Everything else is still a luck roll

As soon as I got to footfall, no matter what I did everything just shut down at some point. Talk to the mayor? Crash. Autosave? Crash. Talk to priest? Crash. Attend some random funeral? Crash. Open inventory? Crash. It was impossible until this latest update, which came out more then a week after pc's.

[thorn zenith]

Yea least of all is we shouldve been able to play through all the quests and do the normal things without issues

[crisp heath]

Now at least I can save before a critical moment in case it crashes

Idk I understand play testing on games like this

They are massive and complicated

[queen laurel]

at least they're not giving up on the game, I can't tell much on the other gaming companies

[crisp heath]

And the interactions mean there will be kinks

[queen laurel]

OK I will give you it is definitely not stable on console

even on PC it has some problems

[crisp heath]

But the crashes are a massive problem that should have been noticed before release

And tells me they did almost no testing of their own of the console editions

[crisp heath]

Oh. I agree. Which is why I'm still playing

But I don't see reason to buy another product from them with this game

The way it released does not leave me confident in them

And I'm tired of companies selling half products.

[tough haven]

I meant like character writing wise lol

[outer wave]

Ah

So basically someone who's content with the simple life of eating, drinking, and fighting with friends

Like they could be a bit of a glutton or a hedonist but they also enjoy friendly company and camaraderie

They're perhaps a bit brutish and typically go for the simplier solutions

[tough haven]

I was more or less just gonna steal a lot of brawlers backstory and flesh it out a bit

[outer wave]

Should work out fine

I dont recall his backstory

[tough haven]

Neither does he lol

[outer wave]

Aside from being a bone'ead

True!

He just sorta fights

Maybe have a character that has taken a few too many headshots and has a flickering memory

[tough haven]

“Don’t remember how I got ‘ere, never do, don’t matter, as long as I know who to krump”

[queen laurel]

Is just an ogryn that just got kind of dragged here

[outer wave]

Okay fair enough

[queen laurel]

And he decided a it's good enough

[tough haven]

I was actually gonna steal something along these lines too, with it malfunctioning and not really doing much beyond cooking his brain

[outer wave]

If its a fantasy setting you're doing here, you could go for him being a generally average person intelligence wise, who as stated above, has taken one too many head shots in brawls, and now has a flickering memory where he doesn't hold onto information long-term. Probably be a bit careful if you go down that route in cases it gets a bit repetitive for the party.

Or someone who gets black out drunk alot

[tough haven]

Yeah it’s fantasy

Or since it’s an ogre, could just be ogre intelligence

[outer wave]

Just straight up ogre true

In that case, its alot more expected for the party that you cant hold onto information for long nor can you comprehend complex ideas

[crisp heath]

Lol I'm just imagining Hagrid's brother

[outer wave]

Baby-lookin' ass

[crisp heath]

Grawp was a good boy

@outer wave that's a 12 foot tall baby lol

[outer wave]

Apparently 16 according to the wiki

Tall regardless

[crisp heath]

Yea dude was massive lolol

[tough haven]

I was planning to do something like my character was conscripted to fight in the local military/militia due to being well, as strong as an ogre, but I’m not sure how that would have come about, especially if it’s a mostly human army

[outer wave]

I think in 5e lore, from one of the Ogre race supplements anyway, Ogres can get away from being typically chaotic-evil and all, but they do get some backlash and scrutiny from others

But its possible

[queen laurel]

Probably because they thought the corpses of the enemy would taste nice

[outer wave]

A military, even if they didnt like ogres, could use them as expendable troops to break lines

[tough haven]

Oh he’s definitely gonna be eating all sorts of funky things

[outer wave]

Assuming they arent completely "Kill on sight"

[tough haven]

“Ain’t so bad, once it stops squirming”

[outer wave]

Ask your DM on how they want to handle ogre lore and such

[queen laurel]

Maybe a warhammer fantasy style ogre, a chaotic neutral npc that sells his services to the highest bidder

[tough haven]

Eh it’s a detail I’ll work out later

[queen laurel]

Loves eating and gold

[outer wave]

The best kinda ogre, not like the cringe Pathfinder version

[queen laurel]

Of course you can also make this one especially friendly

[outer wave]

^

[tough haven]

I just like 40K ogryns better than any other rendition

[outer wave]

Ogres are kinda chill like that, in Warhammer Fantasy anywho

[tough haven]

They’re just well meaning, incredibly dangerous little (huge) guys

[queen laurel]

these guys are pretty big like 8-10 feet

[outer wave]

Im more of a fan of the Fantasy variant, because they're so fleshed out and have a very unique interaction with the rest of the world

[burnt plover]

oh, ogres, ogres, chompin' on meats

[outer wave]

Ie they interact with any faction without resorting to violence immediately

Or they can anyway

[outer wave]

FILLIN' OUR GUTS WIT' OUR STRUGGLIN' TREATS

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/5Bbp98oMsjA?si=pbZ2le87VHq28Izx goated song

Also @tough haven watch this video if you need more convincing

[outer wave]

My boys are having a great time

[queen laurel]

Leadbelchers are fuckin awesome

[tough haven]

I was gonna have my character serve in the army following “Sarge” (he can’t remember the commanders name) without question, even if sarge may not treat him the best, until his platoon/squad/detachment is mostly wiped out in a battle, along with Sarge, except he remains defending the area he was ordered to despite the other members of his unit being ordered to retreat since it was sarge’s last order he was given

And then from bodyguards backstory “no rations, no medals, only big, angry words”

The military tries to dishonorably discharge him several times, but he keeps coming back, not understanding what that means

So they dump him off on whatever the party is doing since that’s an order he can understand

[queen laurel]

That's actually great

[tough haven]

And if there’s any sort of authoritarian type character in the party, he will pretty much immediately become attached to them as “new sarge”

[outer wave]

What if there's another authoritarian type character plus New Sarge?

New Sarge 2?

[green loom]

Happy birthday sudden mod

Also rare non-dilara lorechat mod spotting

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/hoppy-birthday-happy-birthday-happy-birdday-gif-10313818

@burnt plover

[burnt plover]

many thanks both of ye's

idk if I'd say I'm a sudden mod, been here since the betas, this really just is more of Dilara's area
started up PC and Discord put me here sooooo 'ere I am

[crisp heath]

Lol well welcomes

[green loom]

Thas more why I meant it yis

[queen laurel]

In order to honor your birthday, i will do the most skaven thing ever, build a bomb and throw it at the local orphanage

[outer wave]

#Justskaventhings

[burnt plover]

idk, might be better to nuke the surface-dweller garrison but what do I know

[queen laurel]

I'm sure Shelk stone tooth would appreciate a bit of orphanage demolition

[crisp heath]

@queen laurel but you are not honoring Shelk Stone-tooth... you are honoring Nate Gore-Day?

[burnt plover]

honor both, for I am the creator of Shelk, yes-yes

[crystal forum]

what's the biggest titan that was ever built by any faction

I know orks had one that was bigger than a hive city

[crisp heath]

Depends on your definition of Titan. Does it have to be humanoid? Either way I think the orks have it lol. Basically you have what you just mentioned or the death moon thing they built that one time that was in the shape of a skull.

@crystal forum

I don't think anything else really gets close to them two's scale

[arctic talon]

Ork W

[radiant lance]

Strongest warp entities:
Gork and Mork

[crisp heath]

favourite ork theory: the emperor is so strong because the orks all collectively think the emperor is the coolest god

[celest dome]

Sadly the Ork Gestalts power doesn't work like that

[primal gate]

I bet the Old one that made Orks is a good drinking buddy.

[green loom]

I bet his grave was pretty shallow

[tough haven]

Except they don’t

They think the emperor is a weak loser who doesn’t do anything, or that he’s actually dead cuz they heard some spiky beakies saying so, and that’s why his followers are weak

[tough haven]

Depends on which one he likes more

He won’t bother remembering the squads actual names, instead just giving them a max 2 word title

[crisp heath]

Here's a lore accurate and totally canonical emperor moment for the lore addicts.

[tough haven]

I’m probably gonna give him a bone ‘ead style implant but of an arcane variety, that doesn’t work and instead causes the memory loss, and occasionally smells like burnt meat

It also will not be able to be removed without killing him

[crisp heath]

Isn't that just most ogryn bone 'ead implants?

It's literally cooking a part of their head and makes them dumber instead?

[tough haven]

Most often

Hence why that’s what my character will be based off of

[crisp heath]

Got it

My preferred ogryn are the ones who work as miners on Necromunda

[crisp heath]

no fun allowed, got it

[dusk patrol]

Also not how the Ork gestalt field works

That’s the bigger issue with the “theory”

[gray umbra]

it just works

that's it

[outer wave]

The gestalt field is basically there to justify how their tech works, as well as some funny but ultimately minor shinanigans

Like the orks space suit story

[spark nebula]

Not 40k lore but I hope FS makes a VT-esque game where you play as an unlikely group of End Time's baddies
Like a joke going 'A Skaven, an Ork, an Ogre, a Chaos Warrior, and a Necromancer walk into a bar...'

But GW would probably reject that on the spot

[crisp heath]

whoa haha already stopped having fun, let´s not get into even darker places here

[potent karma]

What is the state of the inquisition ever since Guilliman started his reforms?

[verbal path]

It's continuing as "normal".

He hasn't really done much to it

[green loom]

The ordo chronos had a civil war, otherwise they're still doing their usual thing trying to frantically douse the shit storm

[crisp heath]

Could see this being a thing lolol

[rose thorn]

Im so tempted to do an Eldar Necromunda gang, probably corsiars or hands of the archon

[crisp heath]

Pfft that'd be interesting

[rose thorn]

I’d be using venators and make them outlaw for obvious reasons

[queen laurel]

That's a fun idea but yeah probably will be rejected on the spot by gw with how they manage their contracts for games

[spark nebula]

Theyre called Games Workshop yet they don't let you workshop any games

[arctic talon]

It refers to the tabletop 🤓

[crisp heath]

🤣 whodathunkit

[rose thorn]

hey what imperium gun would you compare the drukhari blaster to?

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Blaster

[queen laurel]

An infernal pistol?

[rose thorn]

Its so wierd, i checked the stats in game too and its like, high ap

and thats its gimmick

[queen laurel]

The dark lance sounds like the equivalent of a melta anyway

An incredibly strong beam weapon that would tear apart the target with a single shot

[rose thorn]

yeah

maybe a shotgun?

[queen laurel]

I guess

[rose thorn]

based off the stats actually i think maybe justa bolter?

but it shoots darkness juice

[queen laurel]

If statistically speaking then i guess that would be it

Lore wise i think the closest would be an infernal pistol based on the how it said to work

[rose thorn]

its an off shoot of the splinter cannon

and splitnr weapons are just poiosn shurican guns

wow spelling

[queen laurel]

Yeah but this one shoots energy

[rose thorn]

elves......

[queen laurel]

The gitz

[umbral nymph]

Arent Bright Lances and Dark Lances kinda more like Las Cannons. Fusion Guns are more like Melta weapons

but its potato tomato. both will melt a leman russ if they wanted to

[queen laurel]

Honestly it's just that it sounded like an energy weapon that shoots funny lasers that kills things

[arctic talon]

Bright lances are def las cannon equivalents

[umbral nymph]

BLASTAZ AND BEEMY DEFF GUNS ARE THE TRU ANTEE VIHIKEL KRUMPERS

[umbral nymph]

honestly Orks figuring out energy weapons baffles me, they probably just saw meltas and las cannons and were like

"What if we had dakka, but LEYSURS"

[queen laurel]

lasers are probably your best bet against necrons during the war in heaven

ballistic weapons would probably bounce off their necrodermis skin

So very potent energy weapons are lovely against those

but of course very powerful ballistic weapons would also work

[umbral nymph]

Yeah but those were thr Krorks, modern orks probably dont even know how energy weapons actually work, they just believe this is how it actually works

[teal yarrow]

I just want the Krork to appear again

[queen laurel]

A Mekboy is designed to understand machinery so it's not really surprising they can grasp it

[umbral nymph]

Brings to mind that they have mini warp portal genrators as weapons

Ive been watching tabletop games for years, ive just recently realized the Shock Attack gun uses snotlings as ammo

I thought they were like Tesla canons but nope they just teleport a PTSD stricken snotling either ontop of you or inside you

[queen laurel]

Which makes it quite the unstable take as well so

Fuck it, we ball

[thick cedar]

What if a traitor primarch went "This has been fun, but I kinda want to go back to the Imperium now" What would happen?

[tough haven]

I hate it when suddenly I’ve got a little silly guy inside my organs

he wants out

[rose thorn]

hmm, probably a civil war that splits the imperium, but thats every major descision lmao

[tough haven]

it hurts

I wonder if there’s any pockets of the imperium that follow the OG imperial creed

[tough haven]

Now I gotta come up with a name for my not-ogryn

Idk if I should go silly like Gorgg or something clever

[crisp heath]

It depends on their corruption. Idk how many legions are traitor that aren't warp corrupted specifically. Like if you are overwhelmingly mutated there's no shot, ever. It also kinda depends on like, how they try to come back. Is it during a conflict already happening, where they support the imperium when they're at a severe disadvantage, swaying the tide and ingratiating themselves, or do they come back more at a time of relative "peace". There's way to many ways a writer could take that prompt and it's more just up to gw. That said. It's almost certainly the most least likely thing to happen.

[rose thorn]

Curze wasn’t corrupted- oh…

Uh

AlphariusOmegon maybe?

[crisp heath]

Just up to gw and writers plot honestly

[tulip brook]

We only don't know about omegon and rest are all ascended. And it's not like a rebel space marine getting tortured by a chaplain and going to penitent crusade for a few hundred years. These are ARCH traitors. If 10k years of warp juice won't turn them totally insane what they did is still irredeemable even in irl standards.

[crisp heath]

Exactly, agreed

It'd take some massive fanangling

[tulip brook]

They each "command" a legion of chaotic warbands with only common thing between them being fighting imperium. They had to shed half of their legions in istvaan when they decided to switch sides while they had comparatively firmer grasp and not so much corruption.

If they switch sides now, They can't even bring back a decent force. Rather than destabilizing imperium, they just create a war between themselves

[summer mural]

are sisters of silence superhuman

apart from being blanks and wearing power armor do they have abilities

[tulip brook]

Nope, or we don't know so far. They're independent jacked up anti psyker super elite force that answers no one so they should have extraordinary talent individually but they aren't that expanded as organization

[crisp heath]

Yea no, as far as I'm aware, no blank has "powers"

They themselves emit an anti warp field at all times

But they don't necessarily control it or have like, abilities with it

Afaik

[tulip brook]

Take what he says with a grain of salt he seems to hype up everything and speculate a lot. It'll be a welcome surprise if we get something other than snippets in wh+

[crisp heath]

I highly doubt it... most Amazon productions aren't that fast. And it really cuts into my hopes of how well they'll do if true...

This is something I'd rather wait on for them to get right

[tulip brook]

Valrak hype, it's normal

[crisp heath]

Nah, I can see it being better than astartes, because of who's producing it. Cavill is a stickler for accuracy and delivery, so with him at the fore creatively and directorially, there is reason to hope that it will be pretty great. But a rushed timescale like he's proposing in that video almost negates that entirely.

Oh really?

I didn't know about that

If that's the case then yea... I agree with you

[pine wedge]

YouTubers are always wrong about everything, never trust any of them

[queen laurel]

But Hank, you have a youtube channel

[pine wedge]

Did I stutter?

[queen laurel]

Can't argue with that i suppose

[celest dome]

Wasn't there a 40k thingy planned by the producer of Man in a high castle ?

[celest dome]

If we count the Dorn announcement rumours then he is very much not a good source, otherwise, it's a good one

[tulip brook]

Same deal with anything on internet, confirm it with multiple independent sources

[dusk patrol]

More like, he sometimes rarely once in a blue moon throws enough shit at a wall that one thing sticks

He’s wrong a shitton and is always hungry for views and endless click bait.

There’s never been a “leak” he didn’t gobble up

[arctic talon]

Real lol

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Sickler for accuracy with 40k can be horrible

Mostly because accuracy and 40k genuinely just don't exist

[storm jungle]

40k "leaks" are basically

Is it not space marines? Probably not happening

Is it space marines? 90% happening

[green loom]

It's like trying to shoot the same spot 5 times, but the gun you're given is a old DSHKA with a bent barrel and you're way too far

"better than astartes" is also dumb

Astartes was impressive on a technical/scene shooting pov

Otherwise it was just marines looking cool

[celest dome]

Astartes is very much SM wanking and nothing more

[green loom]

This isn't an artsy short that has the time to slowly detail shit, this is a series made for mass consumption that needs some sort of story substance

[queen laurel]

Valrak's house after I find it ( give him new information about the Gw radiation leaks )

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

On the topic of leaks

[storm jungle]

also ill give Astarted this

[green loom]

Valrak is a popular user of "shotgun theory"

[storm jungle]

it very much starts as wank before turning into cosmic horror

its genius to show marines kicking ass constantly before they get bodies by a threat they cant just shoot to kill

[celest dome]

Claim a lot of stuff in imprecise ways to be "sorta" right ?

[storm jungle]

id have just made them at least take 1-2 casulties tho admittedly

[green loom]

Throw in some actual rumours
Throw in some wishful thinking
And throw in some of the crap the average deranged redditor believes in

[celest dome]

I'll be honest, I think 1 should have died from the Psyker twins (Or were they Electro Priests), and 1 from the Autocannon in the corridor

[storm jungle]

yeah he never thinks sensibly

like

"OMG DORN IS COMING BACK GUYS"

Compared to people like us

who are just

"Yeah the Chapter that makes the most money's primarch is coming back, and thats not Fists lol"

[celest dome]

Who make the most sense atm ? Crow ?

[storm jungle]

Russ.

[queen laurel]

an ork meeting us would make that ork grow bigger based on how friendly he is

[storm jungle]

Space Wolves are very popular.

[green loom]

Russ and Fulgrim are the current contenders

[celest dome]

Make sense

[storm jungle]

Fulgrim is 100% coming

hes the last daemon primarch with an army

[queen laurel]

no pun intended

[storm jungle]

NOOOOO

but also the E. Children got removed from the last codex iirc

and they literally had absolute shit for 2 decades

after he comes back we'll get another Warzone event ala Arks

then Russ will pop back in

[green loom]

I'm fairly certain Valrak is on the grift and isn't actually this weird

[storm jungle]

nah Valrak is a nice dude

hes just a bit of a soyjak meme at times but hes overall harmless

[green loom]

Like he has actual leaks, and he just buries them in random Garbo

[crisp heath]

While that's true, maybe a better word would be authenticity. You know with him he'll stay true to the source and won't go all Hollywood with it.

[storm jungle]

I think thats also fair

[queen laurel]

he's honestly in the same boat as Bricky, be genuinely mean good things but you know, a skaven is more coherent than them at times

[storm jungle]

if you did actual leaks you'd probably get DMC'd up the ass

[green loom]

Then his valrak character is just an act because the 40k community are a bunch of larping morons

[green loom]

What is "going Hollywood"

[crisp heath]

Look at the witcher

Or the wheel of fire series

Basically altering the source material to fit Hollywood scriptwriter feelies

And not stating true to it

[green loom]

The Witcher's problem was purely the directors actively hating it

[celest dome]

Giving IP work to people who didn't want to do IP work and wanted to make their own stuff ?
Not really anything new

[crisp heath]

But like, the main point remains

Look at the Percy Jackson movies

[green loom]

Same for Halo, but for that the team didn't hate halo as much as they didn't care and wanted to make their own setting iirc

[crisp heath]

You can name hundreds of movies, and none of them are ever true to the source. It's a miracle when one is and usually an instant blockbuster

[celest dome]

Yup, would have honestly worked as a Mass Effect thing

[green loom]

But I'd also point out that most games/books that get shows don't really have a parent company that gives enough of a shot to actually look at it/think about it

Or said parent company is big enough that they just throw it at someone and go back to not caring

GW's issue is lopsided, they care a little too much

[crisp heath]

So, at least with Cavill, it's known that he's a stickler for authenticity and that that is why he left the Witcher and the other project he was on

[green loom]

Not about consistency mind, but conforming to their ideas

[celest dome]

But for the Halo ones, there is a difference between the books and the video games, like taking of the helmet of the Major isn't that big of a deal in the books

[tulip brook]

Uh, witcher had actual material they ignored. They had to do their thing in GoT because they went past the material. W40k is mostly setting and they can do whatever they want unless they exactly follow a book or old event

[green loom]

Ye

Those are adaptations of stories

[crisp heath]

True

[green loom]

40k is a setting first and a story second

You can get away with a LOT and are only vaguely tied to a "fascist dystopia" theme

[crisp heath]

But there's still a need to make it feel authentic and real in a live action setting

Which has never happened before

And I think Cavill has a good chance at doing it well with integrity

[tulip brook]

Ultramarines movie is authentic

[green loom]

Yeah it has, Hollywood perfected the hive city feel decades ago

[celest dome]

For GoT they had the author here for council, and they did shit the bed

[storm jungle]

^

Like the earlier seasons followed the books with A FEW deviations for character growth.

[green loom]

Like 40k is a lot of generic crap with some flowery dressing on top

[queen laurel]

It is Amazon prime which did amazing adaptations and even did changes to the source material that don't sit well look at invincible and of course they turned a DND campaign into an amazing show

[crisp heath]

Just my opinion. None have to agree

[storm jungle]

The Boys too

the source material is dogshit

the show kicks all sorts of ass

[queen laurel]

Homelander is amazing

[green loom]

There's obviously rings of power but that has a whole lot of issues

[storm jungle]

Anthony Starr is a legendary actor

[queen laurel]

Like you genuinely want to kick him in the balls but you also are scared of him

[green loom]

So it's a pretty uniquely formed disaster

[queen laurel]

Oh yeah his actor is amazing

[storm jungle]

Yeah the issue with adaptions is you need to work and respect the source material but make deviations at times when its sensible or allowed.

Its why the Boys and the earlier seasons of GoT were so good.

[crisp heath]

@queen laurel ehh I wasn't a big fan if the dnd show honestly

But a lot of their stuff is hit and miss

[queen laurel]

Yeah but the point is Amazon video is amazing at adapting stuff

[tulip brook]

I don't think they can go wrong with 40k with how trashy it can be and how much it is blowing up

[green loom]

I liked vox machina
But it's also a DND campaign, with celebrities I don't really like

[queen laurel]

Amazon prime

[crisp heath]

Not always, at all. They have some good nuggets.

[celest dome]

The comics are awefull couldn't finish them, and I've read Crossed

[queen laurel]

So at least we have that covered

[crisp heath]

That's about it..

[green loom]

If it's garbage it also genuinely doesn't matter

[tulip brook]

^

[queen laurel]

oh yeah dilara the source material is so dog shit that it is an actual insult to dog shit

Jesus Christ the boys comic was bad

[storm jungle]

Yeah Garth Ennis is a sexist piece of shit too

its edgy for the sake of edgy

all edge no point

[queen laurel]

He made the superhero that almost ****** his underage sidekick because of a brain tumor

[green loom]

GW aren't paying for it, they've got a bigish name on it, competent studio
It works out, they get more model sales, they're happy
If it doesn't work out, they might still get some more model sales, they're happy

[queen laurel]

that is fucked

[crisp heath]

But if it's amazing it'll be awesome. It's one of those things where if it flops nobody will pat it any attention, but if it's amazing it'll propel 40k probably into its next big boom

[storm jungle]

yeah like

people need to realise GW does not care about anything outside of selling models

they dont commission shows, they dont commission games

its just "Oh yeah sure go ahead, if it makes money thats cool"

[crisp heath]

Unfortunately yea

[queen laurel]

Yes their entire point is sell plastic crack to people, and literally the entire reason they forbid certain things is because it would ruin the sales one way or another in their eyes

[green loom]

The only thing with them is they're enough of a control freak as a company that you won't see anything too wildly deviate from "the setting" anyway

The setting being, their copyright material

[storm jungle]

^

Cavill at the end basically has power in quotations

GW gets the final say in everything

[tulip brook]

Meanwhile they're like fortnite for classic literature

[green loom]

Like, it's genuinely a nothing burger effort

[queen laurel]

Yeah but I won't trust them because I didn't get to marry the cute sister of battle in rogue trader

[green loom]

If it's anything other than space marines

Because the base 40k aesthetic is just dystopian

With some eagles and fancy stuff stuck around

And cathedrals

[crisp heath]

Gothic dystopia I think is the word you're looking for

[green loom]

A kevlar vest is as 40k as a suit of plate armour

So I'm not too worried on the "authentic feel"

Also people put way too much stock in Cavill

But IG that is genuinely his purpose as whatever job they gave him

[crisp heath]

Lol just my opinion. If anything, it's just something that inclines me to think it will be good. And I mean... idk. Dudes really talented as an actor and is passionate about what he does. Not saying he's Jesus, but he doesn't seem the worst guy to back.

[green loom]

Acting wise most of his roles have just been

https://tenor.com/view/plank-ed-edd-n-eddy-gif-9936376

[crisp heath]

Nah, he's been in a lot

Not all of which have been cookie cutter rolls

He was in Hellraiser, Blood Creek and the Cold Light of Day, each of which were pretty decent roles different from his usual "superman" type cast

Also the Man from Uncle

[pine wedge]

lol exactly. can't rely on them for leaks/rumors/whatever

[rocky gale]

GW didn’t give me Ushoran for my birthday, day ruined

[crisp heath]

do you guys have a favourite character?

if i had to pick one that isn´t a mary sue (CELESTINE), then i´d say grimaldus.

[solar canopy]

Grizgutz ... tbf any orc really

[queen laurel]

the Biggest warlord around. Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka

[solar canopy]

MARGARET

[crisp heath]

i was just thinking about if i had to say any non-imperial character, then perhaps The Beast

[rocky gale]

I love both my sons (Sanguinius and Perturabo) equally

[solar canopy]

Peter Turbo is my spirit animal

[crisp heath]

wow really

explain

[solar canopy]

but if we talking imperium my fav would prolly be the khan

[solar canopy]

he's good at what he does but hes an asshole about it and basically just says "fuck you dad im joining my brother just because you are an even bigger asshole than i am" ... just like me

like ... i WANT to be the Khan, but in reality i am Peter

[storm jungle]

hes friends with Primarch Jimmy Neutron

[rocky gale]

One of the lost Primarchs

[solar canopy]

the more i think about it the more sense it makes ... i want to be the stoic silent noble warrior but actually im more of a competent man that never gets recognised and deal with it in childish ways

who needs therapy when you have 40k eh?

[summer mural]

trazyn, kharn, dante

kharn before he completely became uh

brainless

[celest dome]

Why is Celestine a Mary Sue ?

[queen laurel]

Darktide player?

[crisp heath]

do you think it´s true when people say he carried the horus heresy while everyone else was just messing around?

[solar canopy]

pretty much

[summer mural]

yes

[crisp heath]

i actually know nothing about the khan. probably fits the character more than anything.

[summer mural]

yeah, it seemed like him and mortarion were the only ones who had their shit sorted and attacked with a plan, the others just went bananas

[crisp heath]

cause she´s just like me irl fr fr ong

[celest dome]

[solar canopy]

thats because GW has like nobody actually writing for him ... hers one of those "not much material about him" guys ... which is a shame ... the white scars i ngeneral are extremely underdeveloped imho

[crisp heath]

what is there not to understand 😄 suits my life story and kind of who i wanna be (and already am, in many respects)

[crisp heath]

someone told me they wanna be angron. i have no clue why anyone would say that, or want to be any world eater whatsoever for that matter

[solar canopy]

ask them to specify pre or post butchers nails

[queen laurel]

Not one of the weirdest things you you will hear people say about this setting some even want the imperium to exist in real life

[solar canopy]

cuz pre could make sense

[crisp heath]

pretty sure he meant post 😄

[solar canopy]

cuz i'd be rocking with pre-nails angron ... he'd proly be a swell dude

ya know .... before he got his nails done

[crisp heath]

oh, right, yeah. i forgot

[solar canopy]

theres a regiment for everyone

[crisp heath]

💅

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

[rocky gale]

Very accurate

[solar canopy]

the guard is "inclusive" after all

[storm jungle]

i think what makes this even more accurate is the fucking trans catboy

i got like 2-3 friends like that that are into guard 💀

[crisp heath]

yeah jerma really got into it after that darktide stream

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

Do they have a particular fondness for Felinids?

[storm jungle]

Nope just non-40k catboy stuff

[solar canopy]

https://spikeybits.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/IMG_0845.jpg

[queen laurel]

good they're not at the shooting range yet

[crisp heath]

OH i have one picture like this but i bet everyone knows it already

[solar canopy]

teh fluff around the base makes it so much better btw xD

[storm jungle]

Yeah that one has been shared to death

lmao

[crisp heath]

i´m doing my part!

[queen laurel]

https://youtu.be/FDJ6VV9Wdhc?si=y-9FZYb6t_hCLR8D here's the image with voice acting

[rocky gale]

Damn there's one I saw earlier but forgot to save, was a Space Marine captain with a maid dress and a cat claw power fist

[celest dome]

Doesn't make her a Mary Sue though

[crisp heath]

rawr ;3

[solar canopy]

https://i.pinimg.com/474x/2b/42/30/2b4230fc3324eb4917ba2a4015bc076b.jpg

[crisp heath]

A Mary Sue is a character archetype in fiction, usually a young woman, who is often portrayed as inexplicably competent across all domains, gifted with unique talents or powers, liked or respected by most other characters, unrealistically free of weaknesses, extremely attractive, innately virtuous, and/or generally lacking meaningful character flaws.[1][2][3][4]

i guess she's more than who i actually am then lol, i just relate to the endless toil a lot

and having a spiritual destiny

and GIRL POWER

i guess you could say that about any battlesister, but celestine is THE battlesister

so, favourite.

also may i just say the order of our martyred lady has the best girl power symbol ever devised

[celest dome]

Sure she is a God driven character, like any named Daemon character, but they all still fails, have their shortcomings and stuff, calling her a Mary Sue would mean that most 40k character are also Mary/Gary Sue (Which I would say is a fair take anyway)

[crisp heath]

ok whatever man, i just relate to celestine the most then, whatever! hmpf!

[tulip brook]

Most 40k characters with models are Mary Sues and the ones without models are cannon fodder

[celest dome]

Yeah, and you're allowed to, but I wonder if calling it a Mary Sue is really a fair tale

[tulip brook]

But in a sense, being a legendary figure in a futuristic galactic empire requires those qualities

[green loom]

What are your opinions on her mortal enemy, Katarinya Greyfax

[crisp heath]

never heard of her so she must be no real enemy at all

[tulip brook]

💒

[rocky gale]

Mortal enemy/wife

[solar canopy]

she be boring

also her model is ugly

[tulip brook]

Bile, trazyn, variel the flayer, old lion, seth, andrej...

I guess I like assholes in general

[rocky gale]

My type is tragic/sad boys

[solar canopy]

so Peter Turbo

[rocky gale]

Sang, Pert and now Ushoran.

[burnt maple]

Caiphas Cain?

I am pretty sure he does not have a model, does he?

[tulip brook]

Yup you found the exception

I guess there are enough commissar models around

But not enough space marine lieutenants

[solar canopy]

also cain looks kinda generic so its not hard to make your base commissar model look like "Cain"

[burnt maple]

Shriek looks like your average Raven Guard phobos emo.

[gray umbra]

nah cains got them sideburns

[burnt maple]

Seth looks like every other Flesh Tearer.

[solar canopy]

which if you are decent at painting is not that hard to do on a model that doesnt have them "premolded"

[rocky gale]

The discovery that Ushoran wears a cloak of screaming severed heads as a safety blanket because the torture he underwent in the Shroudcage has made silence intolerable for him broke me.

[gray umbra]

I would kitbash a commissar outfit onto an elvis presley model

And thats ciaphas

[rocky gale]

Poor baby would love Mitski edits.

[tulip brook]

Both Seth and Shrike has unique power packs and unusual weapons. They both have lore reasons to have generic gear too.

That's being said, why we don't have Cain model, honestly there's no logical explanation. Sometimes GW doesn't like money ig

[tough haven]

For me it’s either Ghaz or Ufthak Blackhawk

Of course there’s trazyn or Oltyx

And farsight is pretty neat

[tough haven]

Please, anything but an ultramarines movie

I am thoroughly tired of bolterporn

[solemn grotto]

I was in ohio when cadia fell...all those sigmas....Taxed in a blink of an eye...all the gyatts turned to dust...not the most skibidi time in history...

[normal light]

[spring cairn]

safest imperial work environment

has to lean over the "abyss" in order to pull a lever

[umbral nymph]

you see i like to think that if your clumsy enough to fall to an obvious pitfall while doing your work, youre probably not gonna last long under an inquisitor

otherwise yeah this is just ass backwards ship design trademark by the imperium

[spring cairn]

it would still be dogshit

but all it takes to fix that issue is literally just a plain ass railing

bad wording but you understand

[burnt maple]

You have no fucking idea how infuriating it is to me.

[umbral nymph]

well they strapped a whole ass servitor next to hadron where its only purpose is to bring weapons from the floor below, rather than you know, a dubmwaiter, or a pulley.
a lot of things are wrong in the morningstar if you look hard enough

[spring cairn]

let's not even mention how the entirety of the Mourningstar's deck floor is a literal tripping hazard

Just take a look at it when you're in the hub you'll see

I bet at least 20 people trip and fall daily just walking there

[tulip brook]

There's no safety among the stars

[placid solstice]

In space, no one can hear you violate OSHA

[storm jungle]

Why tho its pretty lore accurate lmao

any "hazard" thing in this level design is 100% intentional

[tulip brook]

Still grimderp