40k-lore-chat

[crisp heath]

It's obviously not working correctly

[celest dome]

I mean, it's the Imperium, they have weapons that cook their user alive

[crisp heath]

This is supposed to make him think faster, not turn his brain into Sous vide

[celest dome]

It might make him think faster, but at the cost of also turning his brain into mush

[crisp heath]

But that's not what's supposed to happen, you understand? That's the misfire. It shouldn't be a pro/con situation. It should only make him think faster

Instead it doesn't and only cooks his brain

[median marsh]

highspeed brain thoughts causing heat by friction

[summer mural]

was mjalnar a chainsword or a power sword

[storm jungle]

just a sword

also a frost weapon

You can get 3 guesses at to what it does lol

[celest dome]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Mjalnar
Frost, so should be Chain, but look like a normal sword so 🤷

[summer mural]

if russ spins it around really fast in his hand, it can propel him to flight?

[storm jungle]

Garry's Mod lookin' ass combat

https://tenor.com/view/garrys-mod-gif-25810967

Also pictured; Dropsite Massacre

[thorn zenith]

To be fair with the imperium, having lazy eye can be heresy

[storm jungle]

you joke but thats prob true lol

[thorn zenith]

Lmao after all our darktide char can have origin reason for being in jail as not getting out of a magistrate's way fast enough, or complaining about the taste of corpse starch in a snitchers ear shot

Your superior can throw you under the bus for any reason at all

[storm jungle]

Yeah this lol

the lore has also stuff like a group of voidborn people on shore-leave being lynched to death because they were too tall and had a different weird skin color

[crisp heath]

Yea

Voidborn get it rough

Really, it's tribal complex on steroids. If you're "other", or different, you're probably not welcome

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much.

People hate anyone that looks "different"

40k doesnt push this message too much for obvious reasons but the base is there lol

[celest dome]

Or "feel" different (Blank)

[storm jungle]

Literally me

[crisp heath]

Well, blanks are a bit different (I mean they don't fit into this same mold)

[celest dome]

But they don't look different

[crisp heath]

Their literally holes in the warp. So, unlike prejudice, they literally weigh upon your soul. Their mere presence causes depression, and thats if you're not a psycher

It has nothing to do with looks, they absolutely are just hard to be around for anyone

It's like standing next to a walking black hole of emotion and vibrancy.

It's not prejudice when your entire being truly is anathema to life or your ability to function.

@storm jungle also if your a blank, how am I ghosting it up in here lol

[thorn zenith]

Psriah nexus goes [ ]

[crisp heath]

I think I know of one commissar that's ever even polite to a blank, let alone nice. And he's not a psycher. Standing by her gives him headaches but she's useful and his ultimate trump card against other psychers so he keeps her close. But like hates every minute of it.

I forget which specific commissar it is though

[thorn zenith]

Even custodes cant look st sisters of silence much

[tulip brook]

Jurgen is blank

He's like the best pal of Cain

[crisp heath]

That might have been who I'm talking about

And idk about best pals lol

[median marsh]

Jurgen was fiercly loyal to cain tho

[summer mural]

cain is pretty pally with jurgen too

despite him complaining that jurgen smells and is dull, he likes the lad quite a bit

[willow sluice]

true

[median marsh]

even after Cain retired they remained together

[willow sluice]

they might be lovers?

[crisp heath]

Lol the amount he mentions he smells

[median marsh]

Jurgen has many qualities, hygiene wasnt one of them

[summer mural]

thats cain for you, but you can tell cain has a huge soft spot for jurgen, because jurgen is a pretty damn solid guy

[willow sluice]

i think theyre a secret relationship

[crisp heath]

I mean, let's be real. Cain likes everybody but himself. That said, yes. He's the only person I've ever known or heard about in 40k treating a blank decently

[thorn zenith]

Theyre roommates

[willow sluice]

theyre more than roommates for sure

you don't know whats going on at night in there

[crisp heath]

You understand we are ignoring you?

[celest dome]

No, they both have different romance partner during the stories

[crisp heath]

Oops I messed up

[willow sluice]

i don't know crab

it might be a deception

[median marsh]

if i remember right it was an Inquisitor that had a soft spot for Cain

[celest dome]

Amber Veil or something

[median marsh]

meanwhile Jurgen got hit on by a female ogryn

[thorn zenith]

Dommey mommey Amberley Vale

[celest dome]

Wasn't it the other way around ?

[willow sluice]

he just wants thickness

[storm jungle]

I meant more how everyone hates/doesnt like me

just like real life

[tulip brook]

Blanks have power levels too. People might avoid Jurgen but they're scarred for life if they ever see a culexus

[crisp heath]

🤣 I like you whatchu mean!!!

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

What am I, chopped liver?

I mean my liver was chopped....

[storm jungle]

Also dont forget if you are a Super-Blank you literally become invisible

[crisp heath]

But still!!!

[willow sluice]

you're a he/him

[crisp heath]

How do you know?

[willow sluice]

i know

[crisp heath]

How so?

I could be an extremely butch female

[thorn zenith]

You joke but grilled chicken liver is pretty good

[crisp heath]

I could even identify as the fox in your pfp

[thorn zenith]

Bruh not he/him again

[crisp heath]

Pfft

[celest dome]

Wait, who is trying to romance Jurgen there ?

[crisp heath]

Everyone has their White Whale

[median marsh]

some other person, cain recalls that the only other time this happened was with a drunk female ogryn

[celest dome]

The one that got away

[median marsh]

[celest dome]

I understand, but who

[crisp heath]

I think it goes unnamed if memory serves

Just a side snippet at a party

[celest dome]

"Even Jurgen was being flirted with"
Are they in an area where every people get flirted with ?

[crisp heath]

I think it's a party or gathering of some sort. Maybe making camp... I'm not 100 percent certain but yea... basically lol

[vale fjord]

Female ogryn

[storm jungle]

Female

🫵

[dusk patrol]

The spirit and body are both unwilling.

[summer mural]

the difference in primarch fortitude between fulgrims books and lion's return is insane lmao

fulgrim comes across as a helpless, complaining wannabe

and lion is just majestic

[dusk patrol]

Fulgrim kicks a lot of ass in that book though?

[summer mural]

he does

but like

I expect that from a primarch

fulgrim mostly seems helpless, and unable to do what he thinks is right, then hes just filled with regret, lion has no doubts about what he has to do

[dusk patrol]

Well that book is Fulgrim attempting to use diplomacy mostly

Until he can’t

The Lion doesn’t know what the word diplomacy means

Fulgrim is also younger and more naive in that book

[summer mural]

but Lion has nice learning experiences too, he talks to the fallen and makes every effort to understand their pov

its not even just " oh we were following luthors orders and didnt know, sorry boss"

the fallen tell him they were straight up annoyed theyd been sent back to caliban when they as the first legions marines should have been with the lion

and the lion hears em out and eventually decides to welcome back any fallen as long as they werent straight up tainted by chaos

thats reasonable and decent, he even lowkey admits he acted too rashly and harshly by slaughtering a bunch of them and having caliban bombed because he thought theyd turned traitor when they fired on him

[dusk patrol]

I know all that, it’s more just that’s supposed to be Fulgrim early on as a primarch

Vs the Lion after he’s fucked up bad and reflected on it

[summer mural]

what was fulgrims best moment as a loyalist though

[dusk patrol]

We mostly don’t really get to see it

Fulgrim was by far the most surprising primarch to fall to everyone and did a lot of impressive shit during the GC

[summer mural]

the most ive seen thats self critical from fulgrim is when he actually refused to kill ferrus because he realized it was kind of a shit thing to do, and he had some serious doubts about the heresy, then the daemon in the laerblade took him over

[dusk patrol]

Managing to save his legion alone was a big deal

[dusk patrol]

We don’t see his best moments first hand, it’s just the nature of the heresy

Just like we don’t get to see much of Ferrus because how the series is written

[summer mural]

also, I guess you can blame the emperor for not educating anyone about the nature of the warp

but did fulgrim really have to pick up the damn sword

[dusk patrol]

Probably wouldn’t have helped much, Fulgrim had other issues besides the sword

[summer mural]

well yes, but the laerblade being on his case all the time anytime he had a moment of doubt was a big contributor

[dusk patrol]

He was inherently corruptible, we see it with Clone Fulgrim later on

His personality led to it, as much as it surprised people

[summer mural]

you mean how each clone was ultimately killed because it fell to chaos anyway?

[dusk patrol]

As in Clone Fulgrim was going down the same path Fulgrim did

Without the sword

Also Malcador mentions the withholding of info about the warp was also out of concern that they’d actively pursue learning about it to the same result, that they couldn’t help themselves.

Fulgrim probably still takes the sword even if he knows

[summer mural]

yeah, but I think with someone like magnus it would have resulted in a much higher probability of him not falling

[dusk patrol]

Magnus knew there were dangers

He was warned

He ignored them all

He thought he was different and knew better

He didn’t know the exact nature but he knew and was told

[summer mural]

he was, but magnus didnt know growing up his best bud was tzeentch or one of his greater daemons

he just knew this thing was shady

[dusk patrol]

He knew what was in the warp

He didn’t know exactly what it was

But he was aware and he was told to not deal with it

He still did

He thought he was better

Arrogance is a huge issue for him and other primarchs

[crisp heath]

I mean... I'm a tad late, but it mostly just seems like you have a favorite primarch out of the two, which is OK. Both are flawed individuals, and the Lion is more brash and certain in himself. It's kinda his shtick. So that makes sense but does sometimes bite him in the ass. Honestly, it's OK not to like Fulgrim. Nobody does, except the weirdest of 40k fans. And for a large part I do agree with your sentiment, I just think the wording is a bit off. The R*pe Snake's biggest major failing was that he never stood by his own morals and convictions, and instead sold them all to whoever was the highest bidder, between the emperor or slaanesh

And slaanesh had bigger pockets

[dusk patrol]

Perturabos eventual fall to chaos is foreshadowed with the same thing

[summer mural]

this also just goes back to lion being decisive and completely secure in his loyalty, its not that he wasnt arrogant, he was, but he never let it fool him to the point of becoming a traitor

[crisp heath]

In a sense

[dusk patrol]

The Lion also had a natural resilience and hatred to Chaos and knew of it in a vague sense more so

Fulgrim was predisposed because his personality of always seeking perfection

[crisp heath]

Basically

[green loom]

The sword definitely didn't help

[crisp heath]

Dudes the definition of excessive

[green loom]

But it more just sped things up

[crisp heath]

That too

[dusk patrol]

Also I’m sorry but this is a really bad summary of Fulgrim

[crisp heath]

Lol I'm not the most versed in him, ngl

[green loom]

I like Fulgrim

[crisp heath]

I'd enjoy a better one?

@green loom weirdo 😃

[green loom]

True! But still rude

[crisp heath]

Lolol

[dusk patrol]

He grew up on a shitty world with very imperfect people and always wanted to improve it and himself in order to honor them

He kept perfect busts of his adoptive parents very ugly faces in his room, the fact that he couldn’t fix Chemos before they died was a big sticking point for him

He also didn’t conquer his world so much as united it around him

[green loom]

I recall him being pretty noble about it, emphasizing to his boys that they are at the top, and they need to lift up those in squalor

[dusk patrol]

Basically

Obviously this eventually went bad once the corruption dug in

[crisp heath]

I'm mean, yea. But that kinda goes to show m point, right? Dude had morals and such and sold them away

Very clearly had them

[dusk patrol]

He didn’t

[crisp heath]

Bro he's literally a rape snake

[green loom]

Not really sold them, they were perverted
As chaos tends to do

[dusk patrol]

Yeah he is now

[crisp heath]

OK.. fair...

[dusk patrol]

Cause he got corrupted like

No shit

He didn’t sell them he changed as a person and fell to chaos

[crisp heath]

But still, even when the emperor got ahold of him...

He wasn't the best dude?

[dusk patrol]

What are we basing this off?

[green loom]

I mean he was pretty good as far as primarchs went starting out iirc

[dusk patrol]

Obviously no primarchs are really good people

[crisp heath]

My understanding. I said I wasn't the most versed. I'm asking.

[dusk patrol]

Ok then maybe don’t make affirmative statements about something you don’t know about

His whole deal was he did try to take worlds through diplomacy when he could

He was very charming, very supportive of the remembrancers and furthering the arts and what not

[summer mural]

furthered them to the point an epic concert literally pushed the legion to chaos and invented noise marines

[crisp heath]

Should have had a question mark at the end my bad

[dusk patrol]

If the heresy had never happened he would likely have been the primarch who would be sent for diplomatic purposes

And smoozing people and all that

[willow sluice]

how can we stop this?

the heresy?

[crisp heath]

It's already happened

[celest dome]

[crisp heath]

At this point it's too far gone

Stopping its kinda out of the question. More like quarantining it away at this point... burning whatever crosses the line

If you're asking how, theoretically, the heresy could have been avoided or stopped before it got to this point?

The answer is: The Emperor being a better dad and actually communicating with his sons

Especially and specifically Magnus and Horus

If either, or better both, had been made more aware of his plans, efforts, and threats from the warp, it likely never would have happened and at worst would have never gotten as far as it has.

[mild rapids]

Fulgrim kinda fucked himself when he got the Laer blade

[crisp heath]

literally

?

!

[tulip brook]

He burned himself out chasing perfection too. He was super vain and he couldn't be arsed listening others

[mild rapids]

I mean maybeee, He did kinda take a sword with a slaneeshi demon bound in it that then posessed him

[tulip brook]

I don't see any traitor primarch having a potential to end up good

[mild rapids]

Magnus maybe

[crisp heath]

i´m pretty sure the primarchs were written in a way that any one of them could have ended up corrupted or loyal depending on certain random, chaotic events. ever wondered how in the world the space wolves didnt turn to khorne?

[tulip brook]

I'm sure primarchs and legions are written already as traitor or loyalist

[storm jungle]

Pretty much this

their fate was written from the start

any "oh if they did this they would have not fallen to chaos" is just narrative bullshit

[tulip brook]

30k space wolves behaved worse than a lot of traitor legions

[storm jungle]

^

in some alternate reality they are definitely a Chaos legion

lmao

[crisp heath]

that is the complete opposite of what i said though....wrong quote?

[umbral nymph]

good god cant imagine a traitor salamander

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

if there are possible worlds where they´re all either loyal or chaotic, then that proves that they were not determined such from the start

[storm jungle]

I mean they were is what im saying.

a legion called the World Eaters is not exactly gonna be good

or just Night Lords

[crisp heath]

oh yeah BUUUUT

[storm jungle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/837843230460346408.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

NO BUTS.

[mild rapids]

I meaaan they were called the War Hounds originally

[crisp heath]

oh if chaos didn't come and cause angron to land on that planet with the nails they would have not fallen to chaos

[storm jungle]

yeah but that was when they were being fleshed out

they were always World Eaters originally

[mild rapids]

Or Big E had yanno not just teleported Angron up and left his "friends" and fellow slaves to die when he could have sent some Marines or Custodes to help kill the slavers

[crisp heath]

as long as we can all agree that sororitas are all super pure and amazing and would never do anything bad i´m happy with whatever lore we come up ^.^

[storm jungle]

Hm I do like women.

[crisp heath]

wondering how long it takes until someone mentions Miriael Sabathiel....

who did NOT exist she is a LIE

[mild rapids]

I was more thinking Repentias

[crisp heath]

uuuuuuuhhh blooming hell

i actually don´t even know what to say to this

[storm jungle]

Horny Modellers Moment

[crisp heath]

14 semesters of metaethic philosophy and i can´t even

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

i guess the possibility of redemption implies sin

so i must concede....

[green loom]

Don't sisters view themselves as sinners anyway

[storm jungle]

Just the repentia.

[mild rapids]

And they might not have actually sinned, just failed in some way

I didnt shine my armour and bolter enough, I am a sinner

[storm jungle]

^

the codex outlines they can consider anything sin

[median marsh]

new genre of canoness telling random sisters that they cant join repentia for various completely harmless, mundane things

[crisp heath]

in the book requiem infernal, the sororitas protagonist kills her crusading astra militarum superiors because they were being inhumane to the humans they were fighting (not traitors, literally remnants of humanity never touched by the great cursade)

[median marsh]

"For the last time Sister Napalmia, spilling a droplet of promethium is not a sin"

[crisp heath]

and then she walks back through the arctic and surrenders herself to become a repentia

[green loom]

Based?

[crisp heath]

but i guess not all repentias have acted on individual moral and actually good grounds

and yes, fleeing from the battlefield is sin, for it is despair upon being martyred

[tulip brook]

They are as expected really self righteous and they can become repentia for whatever reason they arrive at

[crisp heath]

tbh it seems like a really bad idea to put those who are close to treason into a B D S M club

i find it hard to understand how they don´t become slaaneshi cultists at least from time to time

it does kinda happen in requiem infernal though. For Throne and Thorn, Sisters!

[green loom]

TBF they aren't death cult

[storm jungle]

To be fair a lot of ecclesiarchy stuff doesnt make sense

[green loom]

They're u armoured and probably going to die

[storm jungle]

its like how Orks put bullied goblins in those small meks

and the first thing the goblins do is kill the orks that bullied them lmao

meanwhile of course you never see this with Pain Engines because something-something wires in their brains

[crisp heath]

because they are pure in their hearts of course ☺️

❤️

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Wonder what actual chaos sisters would look like

Instead of horny fan art

[median marsh]

theres is one i think

[green loom]

Not with any proper art doe

[median marsh]

apparently theres 2 card pictures

its from a defunct card game though so iunno

[storm jungle]

Stjepan Sejic making these artworks while not knowing anything about 40k is also the most hilarious thing to me.

[median marsh]

[storm jungle]

Hes the guy that made the Sunstone comics

so its really funny to me lmao

[crisp heath]

this person did not exist and possession of all such false information has been deemed heresy by decree of the Ordo Redactus.

[storm jungle]

[median marsh]

im going to consult ordo chronos, brb

[crisp heath]

your sentence: you will be killed to death

[storm jungle]

Literally gonna go to hell BEFORE I die, just like Mario said

https://tenor.com/view/captain-lou-mario-super-mario-you-go-to-hell-before-you-die-drug-psa-gif-26892604

[median marsh]

a vacation in my palace

we have snacks, a beach and other things

you just need to sign this waiver

for no reason

now i want to see "Daemons guide to tourism: Realm of Chaos"

[storm jungle]

honestly theres ironically lots of places to see lol

[crisp heath]

When death is the greatest danger, one hopes for life; but when one becomes acquainted with an even more dreadful danger, one hopes for death. So when the danger is so great that death has become one's hope, despair is the disconsolateness of not being able to die.

[storm jungle]

Damn that's deep man. Who knew Inquisitor Mario could say such wisdom.

[median marsh]

imagine reading reviews from each of chaos gods daemon and having em be entirely conflicting with eachother

especially if said daemons are reviewing a spot from an opposite god

[green loom]

That's just reading reviews in general

[median marsh]

true lmao

[crisp heath]

this has always bugged me. the immaterium is such an insane, unreal, unlike place that time and space cease to make sense, yet the chaos gods have gardens, astropaths can find ways through the warp, and so on. clearly, there is locality in the warp.

[median marsh]

the chunk that chaos gods dwell in is a more stable one, as far as stable goes

[storm jungle]

TO BE FAIR

the note on that map specifically says this isn't an "accurate" map

[median marsh]

there are also whats referred as formless wastes

[storm jungle]

^

its more just a ROUGH visual representation

[crisp heath]

ok FINE FINE

[storm jungle]

YOU STUPID BI-

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fly-fly-cat-gif-23967129

[green loom]

Apparently these sub realms are a thing

Provided there's something around to force it into existence

[crisp heath]

yeah, i wanna go to the deep warp

[storm jungle]

jokes aside though yeah the Warp is just ocean allegories with some "land"

[median marsh]

a sufficiently powerful daemon prince can have its own lil kingdom

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

me irl

[green loom]

I hope some artist draws the femkhorne daemon from fall of cadia at some point

[crisp heath]

source?

[green loom]

Fall of Cadia by Robert Rath

[crisp heath]

i dont wanna read the whole book reeee

as in academics i must have A PAGE NUMBER

[storm jungle]

Hold on homie i got you

[crisp heath]

OR I WILL REPORT YOU TO MY GRANDMA

[storm jungle]

oh you want the book lmao

uhhh

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShaskaisWarhamBits/comments/16le04m/interesting_bits_from_the_fall_of_cadia_novel_by/

best I got is this summary by shaskais

[crisp heath]

nah i just want the description of her

[storm jungle]

open the pastebin link and look up the "khorne" word

[crisp heath]

0r maybe a lexicanum page

[green loom]

Of the two of us, Dilara is the one that actually reads

[crisp heath]

ty just ty

[green loom]

I get by via lore chat osmosis

[crisp heath]

i admire it when people still find the time to read, i cope by saying "reading all day is my job so at the end of the day i just wanna watch a movie or something" but i know i could if i just tried harder 😦

i will today

[green loom]

I won't!

[crisp heath]

in fact, i think i´ll start soon....

[celest dome]

We're too cool to read

[green loom]

Yeah I rather just draw smut

I mean

Space marines

[celest dome]

No no no, I'm here for the smut

[viral axle]

I'm board af at work and want to talk about 40k books/lore in vc

[green loom]

My vocal chords have atrophied

[mild rapids]

Audiobooks its kinda reading 😛

[rigid dune]

Do I understand this correctly? STCs is both a blueprints and a 3d printers?

[tulip brook]

STCs were 3d printers with total tech knowledge of humanity prerecorded for colony ships but the bps admech finds are also called stc which is nowhere near significant as the real thing

[umbral nymph]

The original pre Imperium STCs is like an AI Database for all of humanity's knowledge
"STCs" which the admech find are kind of like sd cards containing some parts of that knowledge

[rigid dune]

So do you feed the STC blueprints into the STC printers to "teach" the machine how to produce what was on the blueprint?

[umbral nymph]

The original STC did that, modern STCs are more like just blueprints that the admech "tries" to replicate

[tulip brook]

Admech don't have printers like that. They just figure out what to do with bps they find

[umbral nymph]

maybe there is an STC found by admech that has fabrication intact but that uses AI because its purpose to is to improve on the current design.
And we all know what admech's opinion is on AI and improving design

[rigid dune]

So theoretically speaking. There could be a STC out there which would tell the technicians on how to build a machine which makes mcdonalds burgers?

[umbral nymph]

pretty much anything you could think of, it is the whole conglomeration of human knowledge pre imperium

[tulip brook]

They're really protective with the tech they unearth too. Chances are that little bolt design they found never leaves a specific forgeworld

[storm jungle]

Printers, lost technology, and more or less any re-creative item that belongs to Dark Age humanity.

[quick egret]

what is STC?

[storm jungle]

WE JUST WENT OVER THIS

[quick egret]

IM SORRY I JUST WOKE UP

[umbral nymph]

Standard Template Construct

[storm jungle]

ABELARD, KILL EM

[quick egret]

oh thanks

I WAS CURIOUS ABOUT THE ACRONYM I KNEW IT WAS A TECH THINGY

[storm jungle]

oh lol whoops

[rigid dune]

So is it wrong to say it works like before only that instead of feeding the STC into a printer, you feed it to the technicians instead now and they decide what to do with that information

[quick egret]

DONT KILL ME SPACE GRANDPA T_T

[tulip brook]

Yup. That's being said, if a tech priest finds it

[storm jungle]

I mean that would be like making a historian eat a parchment from the 12th century.

[umbral nymph]

That is if the technician even understands what the blueprint is for

[celest dome]

STC can be a lot of things, it can be Archeotechs, blueprints, AI and many other things

[tulip brook]

All the historians I know will gladly eat a parchment from 12th century. They're weird like that

[green loom]

It's typically blueprints/plans as I understand

[umbral nymph]

could probably tell what era its from by the taste

[rigid dune]

I found this artwork. Is this a STC?

[celest dome]

Yes

[summer mural]

thats an ST- nvm

[quick egret]

that looks like a human woman to me

[celest dome]

Land Raider i think

[tulip brook]

That rogue trader will definitely pocket it and we'll never see that land raider model

[celest dome]

Afaik most often they make the blueprints which become the STC from Archeotech that were found

[viral axle]

If I'm not mistaken in the dark age of technology people were making STCs so that they had different purposes then they were originally intended?

[celest dome]

She'll probably sell it, Mars is really interested in those, now whether Mars (Or another FW) does produce the STC, that's less of a certainity

[tulip brook]

Original STCs were printers to help colony ships

[viral axle]

Yea I knew that part

[storm jungle]

I spat my tea

christ lmao

[rigid dune]

Would it make sense that Tertium could have a vault or something with STCs Hadron would like us to collect for her? Or would cities like this not store that kind of information

[storm jungle]

Entirely yes.

the reason for STCs existing in 40k is to be literally mcguffins

aka something a storyteller can place or find anywhere by characters

[celest dome]

Hive Cities are millenium Old, they can host a lot of Dark Age stuff (Which we do see in Hourglass for example)

[tulip brook]

Which is buried under millenia of rubble

[rigid dune]

And we don't have a mission like that?

Not going to lie, seems like a open goal here

[storm jungle]

I mean

[rigid dune]

Or are those scan things the same thing we do?

[storm jungle]

you literally are describing 50% of Black Library novel plots

[tulip brook]

Below underhive, mining for those stuff

[rigid dune]

To my understanding servo skulls are basicly just USB sticks

that we upload or copy information to

[tulip brook]

They can be for anything right? Just flying around playing recorded sermons etc

[gray umbra]

Servoskulls have many functions

[storm jungle]

Yeah a servo-skull can be for any purpose

Comms, hacking, attacking, defense, ceremonial, etc

they are literally roombas that fly lol

https://tenor.com/view/roomba-roombas-roomba-party-gif-18291345

and about as smart honestly

[crisp heath]

my favourite servitors are the lobotomised babies with wings that do nothing but sing

[summer mural]

so

who has forgehammer

and why is it perturabo

[storm jungle]

He did the RPG route

See person he hates

Kill him

Yoink item

[summer mural]

who doh

last time I remember fulgrim had it

and then afaik perty had it for some reason during the iron cage

[storm jungle]

wait do you mean Forgebreaker

[summer mural]

da hammer

[storm jungle]

yeah thats forgebreaker

these fucking names i swear

[summer mural]

that perty made for fulgrim

that manus*

you are right

these fucking names

[storm jungle]

YEP

[spring cairn]

STC contains knowledge from the dark age of technology, humanity's peak : WW1 looking tank

[crisp heath]

Forgehammer: 30.000 Thousand

[storm jungle]

But basically

• Fulgrim made it for Ferrus
• Ferrus and Fulgrim fought onboard a ship, Fulgrim stole Forgebreaker
• Ferrus and Fulgrim then fought on Istvaan, Fulgrim swapped to the Laer blade and killed Ferrus
• Fulgrim presented Ferrus' head and Forgebreaker as a sign of loyalty to Horus
• Horus then later gave Forgebreaker to Perturabo who has owned it since

[tulip brook]

What is this "warhammer"? Who has 40k of them?

[summer mural]

Oh I see, fulgrim stole it

[storm jungle]

Yep

[summer mural]

is that when manus used his manicured hands to break the fireblade

[storm jungle]

[gray umbra]

Technically he was taking it back

[storm jungle]

Yeah he DID make it

[gray umbra]

Because their bromance was over

And he got upsetti spaghetti that ferrus wouldnt join horus

[storm jungle]

to be fair

HE DID ask nicely

[gray umbra]

Yeah and ferrus told him to eat shit

[summer mural]

Ferrus straight up tried to kill him then and there

[storm jungle]

probably one of the funniest parts of the book

straight out of Naked Gun lmao

[summer mural]

" Brother , you are my bes- YOU WANNA DO WHAT TO OUR FATHER YOU PREENING TRAITOR?"

[storm jungle]

The fact that he even expected him to accept it is funnier

[spring cairn]

being so close to him you'd think he'd know Ferrus would never

[storm jungle]

he didnt read the script

truly what a dumbass

[spring cairn]

does anyone appreciate Ferrus as a character ? Always felt he was just made to die tbh

[umbral nymph]

As a not so avid reader, all stories I heard of Fulgrim is him getting EXTREMELY bodied then getting bailed out by some external force, mainly chaos

• Gets beat up by Ferrus, gets bailed by a cursed blade
• Gets absolutely smacked by Dorn on top of a wall, suprise chaos regenration BS
• Getting nuked by Rylanor, again with the chaos immortality

[storm jungle]

Unless you are an Iron Hands fan (who really cope hard about this) no he literally basically has no character minus extremely basic quirks. Iron Hands in general suffer a lot from the fact that they are a very basic Chapter/Legion with more or less no character development and a very generic gimmick.

He was dead for the entirety of the Heresy until Horus brought him back as a Warp Ghost to talk to Sanguinius at the second End and the Death novel that released a few months ago

[spring cairn]

The only thing Iron Hands have going is that prosthetic on marines look awesome

[tulip brook]

He won against ferrus twice, bodied guilliman and halfassed dorn and khan and still lived. The guy is a good duelist

[storm jungle]

^

People just hate Fulgrim because hes arrogant.

hes definitely probably one of the most overhated primarchs in the fandom lol

[spring cairn]

I'd say Magnus because of the meme spam but he deserves it I think

[gray umbra]

I liked fulgrims character pre heresy.

I appreciated his legion was trying to be more than just a bunch of augmented murdermachines

And then they went full slaanesh

[storm jungle]

pretty much cursed by plot

[crisp heath]

in one of the first horus heresy books, sanguinius explains that their strive for perfection is not really arrogance, even if it´s perceived as such

i think he says this about fulgrim

specifically

i can´t find the part right now though with the full explanation

[storm jungle]

yeeee

[coarse pumice]

Imagine an alternative universe where they picked Silver Skulls as a legion instead of Iron Hands from the spread of chapters in RT

We’d have Argentus Cranium leading them

[storm jungle]

what a fucking name 💀

[coarse pumice]

A reasonable proportion of the original RT chapters ended up as Blood Angels successors

[brisk vine]

Better than the lead feet

[viral halo]

Would be an elite username

[green loom]

In no small part because people overhate anything not imperium, and doubly everything slaanesh

[dusk patrol]

I think he has some good depictions but it’s not consistent

He unfortunately gets written by Kyme a lot which uh

Kyme always sucks

There’s a really nice monologue he gets at the start of Wrath of Iron by Wraight which I enjoy.

His primarch book has some nice moments, and more recently the End and the Death Part 2 has a nice appearance from him which was well done I thought.

Shattered Legions get shafted hard by bad writing during the heresy, IH more so imo although there’s moments.

Although Sallies have to deal with basically always predominately being done by Kyme.

The Sisypheum storyline is by far the best Shattered Legion stuff in the heresy

Lots of tell don’t show issues but the background stuff is fun, I wish we’d have gotten more of the GC era stuff, but the Black Books give some nice background and addition to the more neglected heresy legions.

[storm jungle]

the problems with the Shat Legions is just

"Why are we even following them"

lol

I have not met a single HH fan for the most part who cares about what they are doing.

which is a shame because its a cool idea but doesnt deserve any spotlight

[dusk patrol]

There’s plenty of reason to follow them, they don’t need to be super consequential, we follow lots of storylines which don’t matter really but are good. The issue is less they don’t get followed and more they got stuck with some shit writers for key parts. Although McNeil does his best with what he gets.

Like Meduson almost kills Mortarion and Horus, and almost banishes Fulgrim, which leads to Marr being given a shitton of marines to go after them. The guerrilla actions of the SL also play a big role in slowing down the traitors and reducing effectiveness. Autek Mor managed to prevent a shitton of WE reinforcements from getting to the siege, stuff like that.

There’s plenty of examples of well done stories with them where they mattered it’s just people like Kyme exist. All of their McNeil stuff is great imo and emphasizes doing a lot with very little resources.

[storm jungle]

Yeah but you don't realise that a good portion of the fanbase does not care about this.

We are here for the key conflicts.

Also literally 90% of the Shattered Legion books/stories suck 💀

[dusk patrol]

No one gave a shit about the White Scars either

Until they got good books

[storm jungle]

Yeah because they are a founding Legion

its not comparable at all

[dusk patrol]

It is, you can make stuff matter

[storm jungle]

40k has books about extremely side Chapters of space marines with good books too.

Yet people barely know about them.

its the same effect

they are not close to the central core of the setting or conflicts

[dusk patrol]

I don’t even like the books but that’s a big part of why the Space Sharks are popular and known.

Night Lords are another example, no one gave a fuck until they got their trilogy

They barely had anything

Know No Fear completely reversed a lot of opinions about the Ultramarines for a lot of people

[tulip brook]

40k iron hands are cool

30k meh

[dusk patrol]

I like both, I don’t really care if people don’t know about them much

[queen laurel]

"A good portion of the fan base does not give a s*** about this" should be the warhammer community's slogan

[dusk patrol]

Some of their stuff isn’t great but I enjoy a lot

[tulip brook]

community is getting exponentially bigger and niche stuff is getting attention

[dusk patrol]

Like a lot of the fanbase doesn’t give a fuck about the Eldar either, that doesn’t mean I don’t think we should get more stuff for them

[tulip brook]

like NL killteam

[dusk patrol]

Or that previous good books were a mistake

I couldn’t care less about the current stuff for the LoV but I want them to get expanded on and get books and stuff

I want to enjoy them

Or at least give their fans something

[dusk patrol]

Basically this

We went from 0 Ork books just a few years ago

Almost no xenos books

Now we have several great Necron ones

Tons of Ork books

Varying quality but hey

[queen laurel]

Mike Brooks be the Orkimedes when it comes to making ork books

[dusk patrol]

I have fixed opinions on Brooks but

He does Orks well enough

[storm jungle]

Only took what

30 fucking years of Imperial slop

hopefully it gets better

[dusk patrol]

I mean that’s what pays the bills, take what you can get

[shell mason]

what is the dark imperium?

[dusk patrol]

A book

[queen laurel]

I genuinely can't wait to read the next story of the almighty Ulfthak Blackhawk

One of the most based orks

[storm jungle]

Its the part of the Imperium that is in the Dark

[dusk patrol]

That’s why I’m excited for current 40k, lots of updates and niche stuff getting stuff

It all takes time but that’s how it do be

[shell mason]

ok smartass

but how? and why tho?

[queen laurel]

And while i don't agree with major kill a lot one of the few times i'm willing to do so is when he said Ulfthak should get his own model

[storm jungle]

ITS LITERALLY WHAT THE FUCK IT MEANS

[dusk patrol]

It’s just a series

[storm jungle]

unless you are talking about the book series

[dusk patrol]

It’s referring to Nihlius

[storm jungle]

be clear lmao

[crystal forum]

melta gun tech isn't rare in 40k right

[storm jungle]

its not

[dusk patrol]

No

[storm jungle]

Heres your copy

[dusk patrol]

Inferno pistols are pretty rare

[tulip brook]

volkite is the rare one

[queen laurel]

No basically just another type of plasma gun

[dusk patrol]

But meltas are not

[crystal forum]

but plasma guns are considered ancient tech

[dusk patrol]

They’re not rare

They’re mass produced

[crystal forum]

not everybody can make them though right

[queen laurel]

They're supposed to be Melta pistols right?

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[queen laurel]

Why are they considered rare

[dusk patrol]

Idk why they don’t call them that

[dusk patrol]

Just hard to make I guess

[green loom]

Old but abundant
Like mosins and AKs

[dusk patrol]

Some forge worlds specialize more

[queen laurel]

That's what confusing to me it's because they have plasma pistols and it's not said to be rare because it's easy to make

[crystal forum]

plasma and melta essentially do the same thing right

[queen laurel]

Oh well warhammer will be warhammer i suppose

[dusk patrol]

Part of it is they’re really powerful in melee I guess

[shell mason]

lmao ok

[tulip brook]

iirc they are hard to make right

[green loom]

Plasma is more general use, melta is specifically AT I think

[dusk patrol]

Idk though, I assume it’s hard to miniaturize the melta effect

[tulip brook]

like, not blowing up in your face kind

[queen laurel]

Plasma has less power but has more range

Melta does not have as much range but more than makes up for it for having a lot more hitting power

[dusk patrol]

Or expensive

[storm jungle]

plasma rarely blows up

[dusk patrol]

And yeah

[storm jungle]

you literally just gotta abuse the gun for it

[dusk patrol]

The plasma exploding is a meme

[storm jungle]

its like melting the barrel of a 50. cal

[dusk patrol]

It almost never happens normally

[storm jungle]

^

You gotta actively use the weapon shittily

[dusk patrol]

It will overheat and hurt you

But if you know what you’re doing and it doesn’t get shot or something

Marine plasma is also made to way higher tolerances

And just better

[queen laurel]

It's just like that meme with Taurox the brass bull

Yes he has a weak point under his neck that you can hit to kill him but it's very small and you need a one in a million shoot to do it

[crystal forum]

why do so many space marine models with plasma pistols have cyborg arms

[dusk patrol]

But almost all the plasma weapons we see explode it’s intentional or the user knows they’re abusing the gun

[storm jungle]

running gag

[dusk patrol]

Also they do get hot

[tulip brook]

there are so many space marine models with plasma and normal arms too

[dusk patrol]

The danger is in the heat venting

[tulip brook]

there are so many space marine models

[queen laurel]

Also when it gets to the point of exploding i'm pretty sure you get a few seconds to turn it into a makeshift grenade

It's built with the ability to withstand this type of abuse so it can definitely contain the explosion by a few more seconds before getting blown up

[dusk patrol]

This is an example of how it’s not a fun time

But like has been said, the soldiers are aware they’re pushing it beyond safety levels

Sometimes they have to do that

[tulip brook]

and for the funtime

[queen laurel]

Why does this look like he is casting a magical spell on the plasma gun to make it why does this look like he is casting a magical spell on the plasma gun to make it hurt a little bit more

[crystal forum]

in darktide the vet just shakes it and then looks at the plasma gun while it's obviously about to explode

[queen laurel]

Yeah during those precious time he could have tossed that thing in the horde

Or a poor bastard he decided to hate that day

[green loom]

He's maximizing risk to those Infront of him

[dusk patrol]

Also typically the guys given stuff like flamers and plasma are uh

A little bit unwired

[queen laurel]

Plasma flamers are a thing right

[crystal forum]

i know that the flame chimera crews are usually insane

[dusk patrol]

I don’t recall any but I wouldn’t be shocked

[crystal forum]

and the chemical chimera is even more insane

[dusk patrol]

Plasma cannons just fire massive blobs of plasma which explode

[queen laurel]

Banewolf crews

[tulip brook]

these guys have the best job in imperium

[dusk patrol]

But yeah there is definitely unstable plasma weapons, Chaos notably uses more powerful but less stable plasma more often, but generally speaking any operator who knows their stuff is gonna know when they’re in the danger zone

[normal light]

Nah

Dark Angles have a unit fully armed with Plasma Rifles

[dusk patrol]

Also mastercrafted plasma never have overheating issues even when overcharged

[normal light]

And bikes with mounted plasma guns

[queen laurel]

@dusk patrol plasma flamers are a thing, apparently one of the main weapons of tau battle suits

[summer mural]

Plasma doesn't seem fun to fire

[crystal forum]

of course it's tau

[queen laurel]

Well you don't have much of a choice because it's probably one of the best weapons you can have

[summer mural]

Bolters and flamers forever

[dusk patrol]

Maybe if you’re a little bitch it’s not

Smh

[queen laurel]

Considering the shit the universe will throw at you

[summer mural]

Just choke it to death with power gauntlets

Borrow Calgars for a weekend

Have a good time

[crystal forum]

are you a blood raven

[summer mural]

Blood ravens don't borrow

[storm jungle]

speaking of blood ravens

someone was asking lore about Forgebreaker a bit upwards

I go to the lexi page

[summer mural]

Oh that was me

[storm jungle]

LMAO okay so

i went to check right

[summer mural]

Unless someone asked again

Uh huh

[tulip brook]

magpies clapped the hammer

[tulip brook]

we got it

[summer mural]

Did blood ravens steal it from perty

[storm jungle]

WHY IS THIS HERE

LMAO

also just

"Source: Dawn of War 2"

[summer mural]

Lmao

[storm jungle]

ngl im not even gonna object its funny

[summer mural]

Those poor Blood ravens suffering from genetic kleptomania

[crystal forum]

that collector necron guy is definitely jealous of what blood ravens have

[queen laurel]

I fuckin knew it, dawn of war 2 like

Okay guys we found this common loot of a dagger and a knife

Also this sword of the god slayer Ragus the murderer

[summer mural]

Cyrus is the greatest thief in the galaxy

[tulip brook]

now I wanna read perty and honsou destroying magpies monastery

[dusk patrol]

I’m always down for more Honsou stuff

[summer mural]

Imagine if the first time we see perty as a daemon primarch is him fighting angelos

"Stop taking my property"
" No."

[dusk patrol]

His conversation with Perturabo in Half-Breed is basically this but it’s “But I don’t want to be effective in the long war, I want to fuck with Uriel Ventris.”

He’s a genius but he focuses it on being extremely petty towards Ventris and it’s hilarious

[summer mural]

Why do death watch marines get to go back to their original chapter

Seems like the deathwatch would be better off with permanent recruited veterans

Although it can't hurt to have black templars among black Templars that have actually learnt to fight next to psykers

[tulip brook]

they operate as small killteams when the need arises

I guess there's simply no need for permanent dw force

[summer mural]

Who's the chapter master equivalent guy for the deathwatch again

Do they have a named leader I can't remember

[tulip brook]

really similar to codex compliant chapters

watch commander

watch master

watch captain

[dusk patrol]

Some don’t

Most don’t ever come back

[summer mural]

No as in, is there the named typical badass space marine

[dusk patrol]

Watch master

There’s multiple

[summer mural]

Ah there's multiple

[dusk patrol]

There’s no one leader

Each watch fortress tends to be led by one Watchmaster

Or a Captain

Depending on its size

[summer mural]

They don't have a draigo

[tulip brook]

I remember they have this permanent member dreadnought from lamenters

[dusk patrol]

Their dreads are all mostly permanent

And the upper level roles tend to be

[tulip brook]

the guy thinks the chapter is done and he's the last one

[dusk patrol]

Forgemaster, Chaplain, Epistolary, Captains

[dusk patrol]

Yeah Chyron

[dusk patrol]

Also they will request marines return when they’re needed and many many stay on for longer than their typical vigil

It’s up to the marine

Also, they’re already getting veterans typically

Chapters tend to send their best and most promising to Deathwatch

[summer mural]

Don't they get recruit either vets or special snowflakes exclusively?

[dusk patrol]

It varies

But they will request certain marines who specialize for specific roles

[tulip brook]

oh yeah, there's also this jerk: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Artemis

[dusk patrol]

Like an Iron Father who has a lot of experience with Necrons

[dusk patrol]

Artemis made the objective best choice

The idea that a Deathwatch captain would ever trust the Eldar is just hilarious, especially given the context

And on top of that, Ynnead awakening has no guarantees of being good for the Imperium

And we don’t even know that that would look like or if it would work

[tulip brook]

idk, eldrad guy has a pretty good track record

[dusk patrol]

Eldrad isn’t even trusted by his own people

And it doesn’t matter anyways

[tulip brook]

maybe they should trust him more

[dusk patrol]

He has his plans and his angles

A Deathwatch captain who comes upon an Eldar ritual being done above a hive world where they’re killing billions to make it happen and distract the Imperium

And who thinks “Yeah I trust what these guys say”

Is the worst damn deathwatch captain ever

[storm jungle]

Slaanesh dies. It basically would have no effect on the Imperium, having re-read the whole engagement rn especially.

[dusk patrol]

There’s no timeline where he would ever trust them

[storm jungle]

either way though its entirely posed with Artemis being the dumb person in this case

and like, the last person ill defend or trust is a xenophobic space marine captain so

[dusk patrol]

There’s zero reason for anyone in the Imperium to trust the Eldar in this situation.

[storm jungle]

I mean yeah but it also doesn't stop it from him being basically a dumbass.

Which is the irony and funny part of the entire thing.

either way that Death Jester shoulda just blasted him, but alas plot armor

[forest orbit]

He rescued all those people.

Now they can go back to dying in factories and hive-slums

[storm jungle]

LMAO

yeah that is the general revelation with most stories where the Imperium ""liberates"" a world.

"Good job guys we saved everyone!"

[forest orbit]

then instantly back to fiefdom with you chumps

[storm jungle]

Anyway most books dont address that but when they actually do its super fucking funny.

[forest orbit]

Gate of Bones is probably my favorite example of it

the world is saved and the sororitas are urging kids to pour gasoline on the prisoners of war they captured

legit made me wheeze

[storm jungle]

that part was hilarious yeah lol

[dusk patrol]

Regardless of arguing which is better the point is he’s walking into the situation seeing a bunch of Eldar killing billions and then they go “Ok but it’s gonna be good for all of us, pinkie swear”

[forest orbit]

And as dilara said it doesnt stop it from him being presented as the dumbass

so it doesnt really matter

[storm jungle]

yeah theres a reason that confrontation has been memed to death

its pretty funny either way

Deathwatch is a lot of things, but not understanding a situation and just ruining things for everyone is what they are usually the best at.

[dusk patrol]

I would argue the people who setup such a key ritual which could be fucked up by one damn squad of marines are the bigger dummies but Eldrad always has yo yoing competence

[storm jungle]

Damn

its like eldar are always shittily written or something

[dusk patrol]

Well I won’t pretend that whole thing is well done

[storm jungle]

Yeah like no offense realistically Eldrad could have cooked all of them with a single eldritch storm or some other hocus pocus trick.

He just doesn't because "plot"

[dusk patrol]

But I also think despite how it’s written he made by far the most obvious choice and him doing anything else would be even more nonsensical

[forest orbit]

your basic farseer could basically just tell a commissar to shoot himself

[storm jungle]

or just an entire war room of imperial guard leaders

[dusk patrol]

There’s 0 reason for him to trust anything about what they’re saying

[storm jungle]

but again, they never do this because uhhh "reasons"

[forest orbit]

pretty much

peak fiction lol

[dusk patrol]

I think he’s putting his power in the ritual is the reason but

[forest orbit]

that and i guess it would be too boring

[dusk patrol]

It’s whatever, I don’t enjoy the story for a lot of reasons

[storm jungle]

Gathering Storm was a shitshow in many aspects.

at least it wasn't Psychic Awakening

[forest orbit]

gee thanks 💀

[dusk patrol]

There was a lot of speed running plot lines

[storm jungle]

We gotta get to Guilliman at some point

[celest dome]

Was Psychic Awakening when Admech though we would get a new Rad trooper and nothing happened ?

[dusk patrol]

Idk

Psychic awakening had a lot of issues, but I guess at least the backlash led to Arks

I’m always a sucker for void combat and Arks had soooo much of it, it was fun

[green loom]

Yes

[spring cairn]

that's the issue when you make things too powerful

[arctic talon]

psychic awakening had the skitarii who was a walking infohazard that gave people strokes yes

[crisp heath]

Who do we think wins in a 1 v 1 in their prime state, so their best, peak performance? Big E or Eldrad?

[storm jungle]

Big E because hes just got more lore and is basically a mary sue deviantart OC

[crisp heath]

i kill them both 2v1 🤜 🤛

[shell mason]

lol

[arctic talon]

Big E

Eldrad also in his “prime” state is a weird thing to quantify

Since prime psychic state or physical one

Since if he’s in his prime psychic state he’s pretty much immobile

[crisp heath]

Fair enough

Just curious on people's interpretations

[crisp heath]

This was kinda where my mind was at and made it interesting

Like, say it's a psychic-off. Big E in his prime can't do anything physical, and can only go at eldrad psychically, while eldrad in his prime psychically counters. Or eldrad at his peak balanced between physical capability and mental, how do they fair no holds barred?

[dusk patrol]

Big E

[arctic talon]

I still feel big e

he's just built different

[dusk patrol]

Eldrad has always been more about his ability to see the future anyways

He’s a powerful psyker but that’s not what he uses to get stuff done.

We don’t have him fight big people much but the now non canon 13th he barely beat Abbadon

I would say he probably has less raw power than Ahriman, he just applies it better

[storm jungle]

like i said hes literally a DeviantArt OC

his abilities include: Anything the writer wants

[dusk patrol]

Plus he has to hold himself back

[storm jungle]

lol

its like pitting Saitama against any fictional individual, aka a character whos entire purpose is to be a satire of a character who cannot lose and kills everything.

so its kind of a moot thing

[spare osprey]

Would best Eldrad

Ezy

[storm jungle]

Accurate.

40k is a mary sue fest in general when it comes to Imperial characters tho so its whatever

[crisp heath]

Lol fair enough

[crisp heath]

i subscribe to that from the depths of my very soul

[green loom]

The best thing about 40k is armoured daemon ladies

[gray umbra]

Your flak armor can deflect chaos bolt rounds if blessed by the author of this novel

[crisp heath]

are you really a he/him

[green loom]

Am I

[crisp heath]

... why

[celest dome]

What's it with new people asking that question to you, isn't it the 2nd time this year ?

[crisp heath]

I don't understand it man lolol

It's the second time gender has been brought up in here in as many days

Is an election coming up or some shit?

Why does it matter lolol

[celest dome]

nah there was also one with Dilara here too

[crisp heath]

Nice smh....

Wtf man lol

[velvet imp]

blame the Imperium law saying no improvements to current stuff because everything 30K is peak design

[crisp heath]

He's not wrong tho lol

[velvet imp]

they can literally work on making a Plasma weapon that does not explode but because copium for 30K era tech being peak design is the law they are not allowed to

[crisp heath]

I mean he's wrong, but he's not tho lol

That's pretty much how they view it lolol

[velvet imp]

ya Guilliman only manage to work around this because he just say "I rediscovered this better weapon to use from 30K era" just to get the new stuff approved and not be called a heretic

[crisp heath]

🤣 pretty much lololol

There are a few individuals maybe that understand tech could be better

But most think it peaked in 30k

Outside of course the dark era

Which is mystified into legend

[velvet imp]

ya imagine the Age of technology era version of a bolter or bolt pistol. It maybe like the Malorian Arms 3516 from Cyberpunk, small to a point normal humans can use it while still packing the punch to kill 40K era threats like a Space marine version of a Bolter

[crisp heath]

Pretty much yea, probably

If not the damn cricket from men in black lol

https://tenor.com/view/noisy-cricket-will-smith-men-in-black-gif-9424978

[velvet imp]

probably the version with the suppressor on. Don't want to send a person flying after all

[crisp heath]

So the dark eldar do terrible things to satisfy slanesh so she doesn’t eat them. Is this like a worship of slanesh thing or more game recognizes game so they let the eldar keep on doing work

[thorn zenith]

Random addendum that BANEBLAAAADE was a god damn medium at best back in the dark age

[coarse pumice]

Plasma weapons exploding is one of the silly 3rd edition mechanics that made it into a giant meme

Plasma weapons before had the normal and high power fire modes, but the high power one just meant you couldn’t shoot with it next turn

Ironically, the ones that could blow you up were 30k traitor marine plasma guns from the chaos list

[arctic talon]

They do not satisfy slaanesh as their primary goal with their torture

they literally refill their souls with torture

them doing those horrific things does please slaanesh

but it refilling their souls is unrelated to that

[queen laurel]

is there any other way to keep their souls besides torture?

[arctic talon]

Good question, probably?

We know joining the Ynnari keeps your soul protected via Ynead

and soulstones work, but not if you keep up the lifestyle of being a Druhkari

beyond that uhhh good question

[queen laurel]

they have very little options huh

[arctic talon]

Tbh

strong emotions in general could refill their souls

but there's no confirmation on that

suffering, agony, pain, ect.

all are known to refill your soul easily

[queen laurel]

so it has to be negative too?

[arctic talon]

Probably?

[queen laurel]

goddammit slaanesh

[arctic talon]

Its also easier to cause strong negative emotions as well

[desert dust]

It's just excessive emotion I'm pretty sure.
The DE are just dicks.

[queen laurel]

Yeah that is true unfortunately

[molten swan]

Even dark eldar hate slannesh

(You can see this in rogue trader)

Drukhari since they lack soul stones generally are eaten by slannesh too iirc, so they try and stay alive as long as possible even if it means crazy means and outlandish tech, or yknow the usual soul stealing stuff, and even normal eldar can die like that too if their soul stones are consumed, like when a keeper of secrets ate an autarchs soulstone after killing em

[arctic talon]

Its unknown if its just excessive emotion in general

There's 0 confirmation on it as far as I'm aware

[molten swan]

They are basically stripping the souls away from their captives and replacing what slannesh saps away

[arctic talon]

tbh even if you bite the dust as a Druhkari

[desert dust]

Well they take the good drugs and they torture the everyone else

[arctic talon]

if you're part of a kabal you might have a resurrection contract

or a wych cult

[velvet imp]

ya it is mechanic that is silly and a meme these days but for lore now it is just accepted issue the plasma gun has now.

a issue that can be fixed lore wise if they just allow improving current technology

[arctic talon]

they had those issues during the heresy as well

some artificer plasma pistols don't suffer from the overheat being an issue

[velvet imp]

yep

it is why the traitor legion plasma guns explode

they prefer the old ones that have the risk but pack more punch

but the Imperium normally stick with the less exploding risk ones that is a bit more updated

[arctic talon]

Kharn seems to really like plasma pistols lol

he's been depicted with like 4 different ones(in modernish) art

[velvet imp]

Guess he loves making a "explosive" entrance

[arctic talon]

heh

if we include older art Kharn has had like 8 different fucking pistols lol

[velvet imp]

I been curious about that part. I wonder if he is intentionally a collector of pistol weapons or he just keep breaking them so he constantly replace them

[queen laurel]

he probably broke them by shoving them up someone's ass and manually overloading them

[velvet imp]

makes me wonder how long until we get Plasma Pistols

still waiting on Bolt Pistols though

[arctic talon]

I would like to imagine he likes to collect them but uh, I highly doubt that

[queen laurel]

like i said in his anger he probably turned his pistols into melee weapons

Just whack them with an exploding gun

[tulip brook]

WE don't care much about their arsenal. They break, drop, change weapons frequently and don't get sentimental

Angron has a whole new set of weapons with his new model too

[crisp heath]

So, basically. My understanding of it is as such. Slaanesh is the goddess of excess. Eldar on a whole whither eventually. Their long lifespans are not infinite and inevitably they will die and at that time, Slaanesh will claim them. And since her birth, that process was heavily exasperated for the dark Eldar moreso than the craft world, exodites, or harlequins. Over time they found that if they turned their exploitative, torturous ways on outside entities, that pain and emotional outcry would act as a buffer between them and slaanesh's influence. Especially potent experiences may even rejuvenate them. But it's always temporary. They chase torture like a literal addiction to a life saving drug.

@queen laurel yes actually. Nothing in particular says slaanesh has to be fed by torture. Any excess could do it, if done in abundance. But what's easier? Flaying skin, or sourcing food and housing and finding ways to shower excess on another being that's not torture.

[velvet imp]

yep everything and anything is excess if not managed properly

take this little video as a example. All it takes is a small sample of addiction....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbquWd_OJMM

[thorn zenith]

The addiction to glory and dying for the emperor

[tulip brook]

Stagnant empire trying to preserve what they have at all costs

Political scheming and corruption in galactic scale

War everywhere

[crisp heath]

Although this is obviously not Canon lolol, this does really show my point in a way. Hey kids, here's a cookie. Here's two cookies. Here's a banquet of sweets. Here, let's give every kid an endless amount on this world. Let's turn everyone into gluttonous heathens in a single generation. That's honestly something I could see slaanesh doing, if they ever did anything smart anyway. It'd be perfect because let's face it, foods the way to the soul, and the Imperium isn't known for its culinary arts lol. This would probably convince a lot of people.

[crisp heath]

Oops meant to reply with the above lol, my bad^

[tulip brook]

People don't really need much convincing with imperium feeding chaos like no other

[crisp heath]

Lol true

[tulip brook]

Oh no deldar torture is bad meanwhile noble houses do it just as bad

At least they have the decency to prey on others

[crisp heath]

Well... Idk about just as bad. Though they do it probably as frequently

The Dark Eldar do some absolutely insane things I don't think humanity is even capable of doing

Like even torture wise

[tulip brook]

Like turning people into tools with a single purpose? Oh wait

[crisp heath]

That's the mechanicum

And no. They go much further

Like... I'm not really trying to go into the weeds of it man, but it's fairly obvious the literal write in sadists are probably worse then anyone else in the torture department

[tulip brook]

Lol not gonna discuss what "further" entails and how did you arrive at it. Whataboutism works for every faction in 40k

Maybe not for tau

[crisp heath]

You can pull minor anecdotes of moments when imperial torture gets close to the dark Eldar, whereas the dark Eldar are always striving for bigger and worse heights of sadism. It's not comparable.

Theirs is literally the entire species, race wide performing these acts at all times, trying to do worse and worse

Meanwhile the Imperium has maybe a few moments that even get close to the nicest torture techniques of the dark Eldar

So grey knights are immune to chaos corruption due to being built different and emperor gene seed

How do custodes resist it when even primarchs couldnt?

Is it just like insane indoctrination and perfect genetic manipulation to make them incorruptible?

[crisp heath]

Hmm... I'm not 100 percent certain it's explained, but they are supposed to be as close to a perfect creation by big E as they can be

So in my mind their an amalgam of all the traits the other astartes possess

Also I'd bet bathing in the Big Es presence has an effect

@crisp heath

Also question cause I'm not sure I've ever seen a scenario where it's tested... or I'm not remembering it anyway...

How did Custodes stack up to the Primarchs?

Like powerscale wise

[velvet imp]

probably just pure human will like Captain Titus and the Iconoclast Rogue Trader in Rogue Trader

it is one of the reasons why I found Iconoclast playthrough to be such a joy in Rogue trader

you literally fix everything wrong with the Imperium and make people realize how dumb they are for believing in Chaos

[crisp heath]

Maybe. I still think a bit if their creation plays into it.

And there's no denying their constant proximity to big E has to have some effect

So I'm regards to my previous question. This was an excerpt originally from the audiobook Sword of Truth but can be found in the novel Garro: Weapon of Fate. It pretty much shows garro get his ass handed to him, and only because the Custodian's arrogance did he get lucky. But he was quite obviously outclassed.

A few days into the voyage, after it became clear that the Custodian was in no hurry to brief the legionaries on their mission at hand, Garro sought out Khorarinn. He was drawn to the sounds of power swords tearing plasteel and the crash of weapons striking, the low animal grunts of constant exertion from a fight that showed no sign of coming to an end.

No one among the vessel’s crew had dared challenge the Custodian when he demanded exclusive use of the Nolandia’s combat training ring. Khorarinn’s orders to the shipmaster had been succinct. Nothing, short of the arrival of the arch-traitor Horus himself, was to interrupt his sparring.

Garro learned that he had steadily worked his way through the ship’s entire complement of training servitors, leaving them in smoking heaps as he dispatched them, one at a time or in groups. Each servitor learned from the mistakes of the one that preceded it, but still, after hours of duelling, not one of them had been able to lay a single blow upon the Custodian.

.

The legionary watched the flash and fire of Khorarinn’s sentinel blade as it obliterated a mechanoid wielding dual chainaxes, in short order. It was an impressive sight.

‘Slave!’ Khorarinn sensed the presence in the chamber with him and called out, expecting to be obeyed. ‘Clear away that wreckage. Bring me another.’

Garro stepped into view. ‘There are no others,’ he explained. ‘You have destroyed them all.’

‘Pity.’ The Custodian was filmed with sweat, panting with exertion, but he seemed by no means fatigued. ‘I was hoping to find something that might test me. For a moment at least.’ He pointed with the sword-bolter in his hand, towards Garro’s scabbard. ‘The blade you carry is a fine tool. You call it Libertas, yes?’

Garro’s hand slipped automatically to the sword’s pommel. ‘You are well informed.’

Khorarinn showed his teeth. ‘I would see how it fares in combat.’

‘That has all the colour of a challenge.’ The legionary said the words carefully, without weight.

‘Does it?’ The Custodian gave a derisive snort. ‘I don’t expect you to be imprudent enough to accept. The Death Guard have never tolerated the reckless or the foolish in their ranks, after all.’

[summer mural]

It's that , but also a big part of the primarchs was that they grew up with personalities and human flaws independent of the imperium, like hubris, arrogance and various insecurities, grey knights are mindwiped when they become grey knights and custodes are the best genetic manipulation available to the imperium, every cell in a custodes is designed to be a custodes

That and they aren't given vast amounts of unchecked power to do whatever they want with their subordinates like the primarchs were

[crisp heath]

Libertas rang as it left its scabbard. ‘You’d be surprised,’ said Garro, crossing the perimeter of the fighting ring.

Khorarinn’s grin widened. ‘Very well. To the first mark, then?’

‘Aye.’ Garro turned the weapon in his grip, pushing aside the doubts in his thoughts. ‘First mark.’
They saluted with their blades, and then the storm began. Swords clashed violently, sparks flying, mirror-bright metal dancing back and forth.

Khorarinn was unlike any opponent Garro had faced. It was said that even a primarch would hesitate at meeting one of the Emperor’s Custodians in the arena, and as he fought to hold his ground through the whirlwind of Khorarinn’s blade strikes, Garro could believe it.

It was almost impossible to do anything other than defend, and he was quickly at the limit of his skills, fighting to place his power sword at the points where the Custodian stabbed and slashed with his own weapon. He parried every hit, but the blows were like thunder, shaking his bones inside his battle armour.

There was a moment when an opening showed itself, and Garro almost took the chance, turning the hilt of Libertas by reflex. But he stopped himself and let the moment pass.

Too easy. Too inviting. A flicker of annoyance in Khorarinn’s eyes confirmed it. It had been a feint to catch him off guard. The Custodian’s attack pattern changed abruptly, intensifying, pushing Garro back across the training ring towards the piles of wrecked servitors. He suddenly realised that Khorarinn had been toying with him. This was his real intent, blade ringing upon blade as he beat him down with precise, brutal force.

He had one chance to escape with his honour intact, but he would need to be fast, faster than ever before. For an instant, their swords locked, edge against edge, and Garro took the split-second opportunity.

With a supreme effort, he found his chance and forced the blades apart. If the Custodian had a weakness, it was his arrogance. In his rush to mark Garro, he already thought him defeated. The legionary turned that upon him, disarming him with a shout, even though it was a huge effort to unseat the sentinel blade from his hand.

Khorarinn froze, his face reddening with sudden fury, before he drew back a step. Garro held his sword steady, aiming the tip at his opponent’s chest. ‘You disengage?’ he asked, breathing hard. ‘The bout is not ended. I owe you a mark.’

‘If that blade ever touches my armour,’ growled Khorarinn, meaning every word, ‘I will tear you limb from limb.’

Libertas dropped away and Garro stepped back. ‘You’re a poor loser.’

‘And you were lucky.’ The Custodian turned, gathering up his fallen sword-gun. ‘I underestimated you. It won’t happen again.’ He made a sharp gesture with the blade of his hand. ‘You are dismissed, Garro.’

The legionary’s choler shifted towards annoyance. ‘You overstep your bounds, Custodian. You do not command me. And you have no reason to hide the scope of this mission from my sight.’ He returned his sword to its scabbard, daring the other warrior to disagree with him.

Khorarinn only paused, musing. Then he glanced over his shoulder. ‘Very well. I suppose you’ve earned that right as your victory’s reward. Come with me, and be illuminated.’

@summer mural lol you ruined the lore dump!!!!!

Jkjk

@summer mural also yes, literally everything you said

💯

[summer mural]

As for custodes stacking up against primarchs

I doubt the average custodes could beat a primarch in a fight, it'd probably be very one sided

Someone like valdor though

I wouldn't be surprised if valdor can send magnus packing

[crisp heath]

I figured, just was curious

[versed ledge]

So you guys know how the twins are super humans? Are they the sixth's regimental heroes?

[tulip brook]

Alpharius killed a bunch of unnamed banana boys and that's all we have. All primarchs acted like custodies aren't a big deal.

[velvet imp]

just very skilled people inflused with the power of CHAOS

they were already highly skilled before they became cultists and gain Nurgle's blessing

now they have literally a chaos power infused powersword for the sister

[tulip brook]

For their and GK incorruptible~ness, there's no solid proof and I like to believe it just hasn't happened yet or it didn't happen in a big way and it was dealt with and never mentioned

[velvet imp]

and a chaos power infused plasma pistol for the brother.

I'm still mad enemies still have access to weapons like the plasma pistol, longlas, and hot shot lasgun

they have the Longlas model for Darktide already for one of the figures....

yet we still do not have it

[shadow plover]

Okay that's pretty funny

[tulip brook]

We still don't have promo skins like visorless psyker collar

All in good time ig

[velvet imp]

Rannick and Morrow are probably the most chill of the two mission advisors.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rg09cfCCD_w

[rose thorn]

I wonder how long until the imperium start skipping numbers of chaos

‘This is the 666th time the 6th regiment turned for the chaos of the number 6 and I’m fucking done with it.”

[velvet imp]

most of the imperium are too dumb to know these things

part of their policy is "don't think, believe in the Emperor"

[rose thorn]

The inquisitor keeping a damn close eye on the 8th company of the 8th regiment of the 8th planet in the system who just so happen to like melee